EP 176: On the Tail End of Scouting Season

Picture a forest floor full of Doritos, and you've got to walk through them quietly to your deer. Well, we got her in a verbal contract that you can hunt all you want. You don't know how much you owe us. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Devin, Devin Archibald. He's even here in the office about, what, two, three days before you're getting married? Something like that. But who's counting? A couple of days. But who's counting? Yeah. Well, I think Miranda probably is. Chris is here, but Wyatt is absent. And it's the day before. Wyatt's gone. And we may have to call him a little bit later. It might be good. He might be in brush fire mode. He's putting out brush fires left and right. Hey, Chris, you did a tee-up. Even though I don't like these, we should have the Dixie Chicks ready to run playing in the background. We don't play Dixie Chicks. But we don't. Hey, they'll probably sue you because we're an organization. Yeah, because they're the Chicks now. They're not the Dixie. That's right. They changed. You're serious?

They conformed. Oh, yeah. That's all on the news. They conformed to the new age. They took off the Dixie. The Chicks. Dixie has connotations that were not good. So what else? Let's talk about them. I don't think they realized they were not good connotations. I just think they're conforming to society. All right. Let's move. Let's move. Let's move. I have made a vow to not think about politics as much. Although we just did. I know. But that's why we moved on. Okay. Is, you know, it was consuming me. Like, I was getting angry. And it was not even my town or city. I haven't even seen a protester here. You've got to stop watching the news. That's right. Number one. So I told Jenna, I'm like, I'm done until I need to engage in the fight. And believe me, when it's time to engage, you're not going to see anybody more engaged than me. But when it's time to fight, let's fight.

Until then, we're going to kill animals. You're going to run for office? Is that what I'm hearing? No. We're back into the politics stuff. All right. Okay. So anyway, how's scouting going, Devin? It's going. Well, Devin has a few positives. I'm trying to find some bright spots. Tough. You know, it's hot, hot. We're in a grip. We're in a grip period. No moisture, no monsoons, and just baking hot and crispy. It's going to be an interesting bow hunt. It's going to be stinking up on something on the ground. It's going to be interesting. It's like Pringles. It's going to be hard. Yeah, that's what you're saying. It's hard to stalk. It's not great stalking conditions. Picture a forest floor full of Doritos, and you've got to walk through them quietly to your deer. The Dorito stalk. I'll never forget that. That's right. You want a fresh rain when there's nothing like a fresh rain.

You want soggy Doritos. You want soggy Cheetos. Not crispy dry ones in the Western weather. Years like this year, I break out my secret weapon, and you're probably going to laugh at me. What's this? What is it? I'm surprised I'm even going to divulge this. Whoa. Is this a ... I have ... I got these Phil's cheapo toe shoes. You ever seen those? Your toes literally go in them? You go in your toes? I think ... It's like walking around barefoot, but they're silent. And is the bottom part of them kind of ... Those are priced. That's what people ... There's a lot of people that aren't wearing shoes that are wearing those all day long. I bow hunting them all day long. Aren't they like a rubber bottom? Yeah. Like a waffle kind of deal? Yeah. Flexible? Yeah. I mean, I can feel twigs, rocks. I don't know. It's the new age way of going back to your roots, right? Tell me ... Like moccasins almost?

You can say that. It is. Yeah. It's like a ... Aaron's got ... I'm thinking these other ones like frog skins or something. I don't know. Aaron's got something like that. They're like water shoes, but you have your five toes are out there. That's right. You're not in a shoe. That's right. Aaron has them too, huh? Well, they're not ... I don't know if they're the same as what you're talking about, but he's worn them. And they're good little camp shoes because they're super light on a backpack sheep hunt. You put them on, but you don't ... You know who I see use them a lot? These naturalists, you know? Yeah. I am. You probably got to go and support their website. Buy them from these types of people. Hunter, somehow we're getting ... You don't see that in the hunting community. We're getting political. Somehow we're getting political. I don't think it's possible for you to get off politics.

I don't think it is. It's like buying a backpack from a company that is just for ... You know, naturalists and dayhikers. You can do it, and they have some great gear, but you're supporting the enemy, kind of? You mean ... Philz. I don't know anything about them. F-I-L-S? F-I-L-S. That's a brand? I don't know. Go to phils.com, everybody. Philz.com. Toe shoes. We might have to do some research on that. Research the company. Make sure they're not supporting ... PETA. PETA. Yeah. This time of year, it's hot. Crunchy, loud, like you say. Oh, yeah. It's going to be interesting. And from what we're seeing ... I thought he was going to say, I wear socks, but I dip them in water first, so I have the wet Dorito effect. Hey, we could try that. It's going to be interesting. We've talked about it on another podcast, but ... Deer and elk are going to be vulnerable.

Our kids don't think we're just going to walk up to these deer with their bows because they got a tag. Well, these kids are like, hey, Dad, we saw that, or we have this on trail camera, whatever. That's the one I want. You get that buck. Sean gets that buck. And I'm thinking, okay, did you see the other 14 cameras on the waterhole? Where are those people going to run? Or did you notice that they've never been seen in the daylight on camera? Like, this is called hunting, kids. Yeah. Be prepared to ... You see them at night. Yeah. Every time. This is going to be a two-week grind.

That's right. Luckily, they postponed school for two weeks. Oh, geez. What does that mean for you and I? Yeah. It means a lot of freaking hard work. You know how many clients you've taken, right, and how many clients I've taken over the years? Okay, your kids are the worst clients you've ever had. Yeah, they're getting picky. They're getting picky is what I mean by that. Well, A, they're picky, and B, just trying to get your kids in and getting them ready and getting everything perfect is the toughest thing in the world. With a bow in your hands this year. We're adding that dimension, which you've done it with Sean. He killed one two, three years ago in New Mexico. Sub-16-year-old kids with a bow, and you're signing up for dad of the year, husband of the year. Decade, maybe. We'll just say decade. Decade, maybe. Okay. Chris is nodding. Oh, you found something. Well, I'm thinking that-

Fills? They're not fills. What? I'm pretty sure it's Fila. Oh. Fila. Probably right. That's a giant shoe company. Okay. I've heard of that. Fila. Yeah, we've heard of that, but that's dealing with sports. Maybe it's just a weird cursive riding. Do you see the little toes? Yeah, they're called skeletos. Is it? Let me see. I don't see. Tell me who. Can you see any? Can you judge them by the website if they're anti-hunters? Yeah, that's similar. Well, there's a few different models that I've seen. But they really- They're a big company, so yeah. Okay. Well, moving right along, regarding the quality of deer and elk that we're hearing statewide, or states westwide, I'm saying. We're hearing- Spotting. We're not hearing on elk. We're seeing and knowing. They all are off the charts. Elk are going to be unbelievable in at least Utah, Nevada, Arizona, probably New Mexico.

They've had a lot of rain. Montana's always good. Wyoming's always got a few nice bulls. They have mountains, and Colorado has mountains. We're talking these states, these four or five. So basically, if you add them all up, what state's going to be bad for elk? Maybe none. I don't know any. And the states that have been off, like how many years has it been? Did we say Utah is just not what it once was? We've been seeing that a lot. Since what? 2011? Yeah. And it isn't completely, and it's not in the numbers. No. There's bright spots. But the quality we're seeing, and Nevada's quality, good grief. Arizona has always had quality, but it just feels like- Always has, but it fluctuates with water, and we're not- It's great. It's a good, solid year. Yeah. Solid year. It was wetter. When elk drop earlier, they grow so fast and much earlier in the spring and summer.

A lot of the giant bulls are done by July 1st. Yeah. And deer got a lot of growing to do, and they were tapped out by about a month before that. Because a lot of these states, Nevada included, most of western Utah and southern Utah, no rain really since April. I mean, it's a couple of teasers, we'll just call it. Yeah. And no monsoons, you know, until you start to get the center of Utah east. But anyway, I think it's going to be an off year from a deer standpoint in certain places. I'm not saying all over Utah. There's some that are going to be great. But it seems like northern Arizona, we're hearing Jason's off. Nevada is 100%. Off. It's not even debatable. No. It's not even up for- We got a buck that's 50 inches off. Tell me I'm wrong. No. He's not a 160-incher, and he was 210-ish. Yeah. Big 210, like heavy, and big eye guards, and cheaters, and beautiful.

And multiple deer like that that were 200 that are, you might eke out 175, 180. Anyway, it's interesting, and it's hard to fathom because they're a year older, and they didn't digress necessarily. So Wyatt's getting married, and we can talk about him now because he's not here. Did you notice how he's not really doing the deer thing in Utah? He's getting married, and- But he's got a tag, and I think he burned two or three points on the general, and now you can't- One, for sure. I thought he had three. But you can't turn a tag in now in Utah. You've got to turn it in like July 15th, 30 days before, and that's over. And he had one trail camera out. Now he took it down. Well, I'm getting married. Let's get him on the phone. Should we see how- When's he getting married? Okay, tomorrow. Okay, tomorrow. His life is changing forever. Within hours of now. Okay, I've got- Less than 24 hours. Yep.

Greater than 12 hours. The good thing about Devin is, Devin, you can be an active participant here today because we're not doing another podcast this week that we're going to be able to call you. So it's all about teasing Wyatt right now. Perfect. You're getting married two days after him. I called him last night, and he said, text me right back. He said, I'll call you right back. I'm packing chairs and tables. I love it. At 945 at night, which is usually he's dead asleep. I wonder what he's doing right now. I love it. Well, I hope he's with his fiance. It would be awesome if we called him now. Let's give him a holler. Let's just- Who knows where this is going to go? If they're together, it's going to be good. Who knows where this is going to go? We might not even publish it. Just tell him to put it on speaker right off the bat. Let's see what he says.

Hey. Hey, what are you doing? We got him. He answered. He answered. What's going on? We got him. The hot mic.

Hey, Wyatt, before we get started, is Carly right there? She is right here in the truck with me. Put her on. Put her on. Are we got it? Is she hearing that whole Bluetooth? Is it Bluetooth or is it to your ear? We want to talk to her. I am in my truck right now. I can put her on Bluetooth. Let's do it. Well, or let's just hand her the phone. You don't want me to hear what you're about to say? No, I don't. I don't know. I don't know if I should or just hit end right now. Put her on. You're not going through a canyon. We know where you're at. Yeah, a tunnel right here in Gunnison. Okay, here we go. Here she is.

Hello? Carly, are you nervous? No, I'm really not. You're not? I'm not. This is Devin and Chris and Adam and Jason. No. We're just. Are you podcasting me right now? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Well, we just talked about you a lot, but we've never talked to you. And we were just wondering if you really know what you're getting into. I probably don't. And do you really know who Wyatt is? I'm just going to go into a blind and just hope for the best. I just have no expectations so that I'm not disappointed. The no expectations is really good. Wyatt's lucky. He's got a good one. That's a great answer. Okay. Good answer. Good answer, Carly. Good. Got one down. But is all the tables, chairs, Devin joked that he called Wyatt last night. He was packing tables and chairs. Is there any last night plans that are not coming together? Or are you pretty much just coasting right now?

No, we're just kind of coasting. We just sat down, had lunch. I got my Dr. Pepper. I'm pretty happy. You're happy? Yeah. Hey, one thing. We joked. We thought Wyatt might have fallen off the wagon and had a Mountain Dew. Has he had a Mountain Dew? No. No. Somebody sent me a picture of Wyatt with cases of water. Just getting cases and cases of water. He's a healthy kid. I know. It's ridiculous. We wondered if the stress was going to make him fall off the Mountain Dew wagon. But apparently not. He's doing great. Not yet. I haven't stressed him out too much yet. Well, that's good. Well, we don't want to bug you too much. But we... We're just wondering, making sure, A, if you knew what you were getting into and if you guys were still just as static and happy with each other and everything was just perfect. But so far, lights are strung. Tables and chairs are up.

We've not yelled at each other yet. So I think we're good. You still haven't had your first argument? I've kind of rolled my eyes at him a couple of times, but that's probably about it. That doesn't count. That's not an argument. We're headed in a good direction. Would you call us if you guys ever really get heated? Yeah. We'll put you on speakerphone. You guys can listen in. We'll get Dr. Paul on. You can commentate. It'll be fine. It'll be great. We have a psychologist that helps you guys. His name's Dr. Paul, and he's willing to help us and help you guys. Oh, I listened to the podcast. I took notes. I remind him of things all the time. Do you? Good. Good. He did give some good advice. You did. Yeah, he did. He really did. Devin, you had questions. Oh, you just seem a lot more calm than earlier today when Wyatt called me and you were saying I was interrupting the plans. Yes.

No, I said, who are you on the phone with? He's like, it's Devin. I was like, oh, Gads. I was just giving you grief. It was fine. It was fine. We were talking about food for Alaska. Yes. That's highly important. That's probably, he was more stressed about that than he has been about anything wedding at all. I can relate to that. You were saying he's not engaged in what's going on around you right now? Wow. Well, I wouldn't go that far, but finding food for Alaska was definitely higher on the list than getting light strung. That's right. Hey, there's one question I have, and I don't know the answer to this, but when does the, you know, in weddings, isn't there like there's a moratorium that starts taking effect, but when the bride and groom are not supposed to see each other anymore until the wedding. When are you guys going to be separate? When does that start? Yeah. When does that start?

I'm not sure. We haven't really said. I haven't really said, and you've got to leave it this time. I thought there was like, that was bad luck. Has he seen your dress or anything? Yeah. Yeah. We already got yelled at about that. Oh, by your mom or somebody? The first look video. No, his grandma. His grandma. Let us know. See, that's the old school. That's a thing. Did you put your foot down and say, this isn't your wedding? No. I'm sorry. I don't see you putting your foot down. I do want to cover one thing. So you realize Wyatt's going to hunt, right? Yes. He's going to hunt and fish. Yes. And do you have any plans on changing that, or are you going to allow him to frolic out in the hills anytime he wants to? You know, it's his thing. It's fine. Yeah. I'm sure once kids are involved, it'll be a little bit harder. Oh, yeah. But, you know. Yes. Go. Go. Go do. Have fun. There you go.

There you go. Wyatt, if you can hear us, she said it, and we got it on the mic. It's recorded. It's recorded. It's recorded. You can go frolic 120 days if you want. Right? Right, Carly? Chris needs to take that out. Maybe I can go back to that for a little bit. Chris, we're going to print that out, and it'll be in Wyatt's offices printed on his wall when he comes. It's all part of his job. Hunting is part of his job. Right, Carly? Yes. He's providing for the family by being out in the hills, right? That's right. That's right. Oh, jeez. Oh, jeez. Hey, we have Wyatt's back like nobody else. Oh, yeah. He thought he was handing you the phone, and it was something bad was going to happen. Little did he know. We've got you in a verbal contract, Carly. Yeah, like crap. I saw Jason's name pop up, and I was like, oh, buckets. And then they handed me the phone, and I was like, oh, dear.

Go downhill fast. We got a verbal contract with Carly that Wyatt can go and do. All right. Frolic. Did she say the word frolic? I said frolic, and she agreed. Okay. Hey, but leading on maybe a note that you don't feel like you're just getting whitewashed, you guys found a house and got it. So that came together this week, too. You guys bought a house. Did you approve? Wyatt, I approved. You came down. There's a few things we need to change, maybe some paint and stuff. And he's like, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Well, if Mama says it needs fixed, it's going to get changed. That's true. I see an argument coming down the pipe. Well, I said, how long are you in Alaska for? I'm sure I can get some things done while you're gone. That's right. There's a lot of paint stores in Cedar City. That's right. You can get the right shade of white.

Let's see how far you can take Wyatt before we get a crossword out of him, okay? I'll let you know. He's devastated. All right. Well, good luck to you guys. We're super excited. Congratulations. We're happy for you tomorrow. Thanks, guys. And for the record, we think you found a good one. I'm pretty lucky. Epic approved. That's right. Oh, good. Good. On both accounts. That's right. Oh, good. Both sides. Both sides. You both did good. Oh, well, thanks, guys. Hope it all goes well tomorrow. And hand us back to Wyatt. Okay. And we'll tease him for just a minute before you go on to something else. All right. Here it is. Before the moratorium. Yeah, before the moratorium. See ya. Bye.

Hello? Hey. Could you hear any of that, by the way? I heard one side of the conversation. Well, we got her in a verbal contract that you can hunt all you want. You owe us. You don't know how much you owe us. And it's recorded. It's in... Chris, save that. Yeah. Yeah. It's recording. The red light's on. Yeah. Wyatt, you're welcome. Is Chris right there to make sure it's properly recording? Oh, yeah. Even the red light's on. If he loses this, like, you have... You know Carly paid him off. That's all I'm saying. Well, the other thing is, there's witnesses. Like, I could testify in court. Devin could. Adam could. We got you, Wyatt. I put my hand on the book on it. I don't like it. I think the go and do phrase, that came from her mouth. It was very clear. It wasn't... And frolicking in the hills, it was just clear as a bell. She's good with all of it.

She can hear you. She's denying saying the word frolicking. I said it. She agreed. It's kind of like, if you don't say, no, it's not what I meant, then it was kind of like, yeah, that you go along with it. It was implied that she agreed. That's right. We heard... Anyway. Well, anyway. Are you nervous, Wyatt? Because Devin thinks you can still back out if you want. Devin thinks I can still back out?

He's just... He's gonna... There's a lot of deer up there, Wyatt. We could be, you know... Just kidding. Just kidding. We could be scouting today and tomorrow. Yeah. I'll be back by the deer hunt. Yeah, you got attacked. He said that with authority. No doubt. I'll be back by then. But no, not really nervous. Kind of excited. Everything's come together. It's been a pretty busy day setting things up, so... Well, good. I asked her if you fell off the Mountain Dew wagon, if you're stressed, if you succumbed to the stress. And she said no. Do you want us to bring you a Mountain Dew to the reception? Yeah. I was thinking about throwing a couple cold monsters in the barrel there just for... Would you imagine him going from water to monster? Oh, no. I'd pay for that. No. You'd hear some stories. That was just the epic, guys. That was... That was for you. Not for myself. Oh, okay.

We're going to spike the water bowl with Mountain Dew at your wedding. What?

Just a Mountain... One strong concoction there. Just a Mountain Dew might throw Wyatt for a loop anymore. If it's been two, three years, how long has it been, Wyatt, now? It has been two. Over two, for sure. All right. Well, you're missing out. Well, Carly's drinking a Dr. Pepper. Yeah, right in front of you. Yeah, she is. She's our kind of... Multiple a day. She's our kind of people. Maybe we'll get her on a monster. Yeah, she started at 9 a.m., she says, with a Dr. Pepper. Or... Ask her if she's got any fellow nurses that look down on her for it. Do you have fellow nurses that look down on you for your drinking habits? For a 9 a.m.? 9 a.m.? No, she says they're all in that same boat. Oh, you've got to be. Drinking habits. Nurses work long hours. They're usually 10 to 12 hour shifts, and you need a little something to... There's a lot of them that take smoke breaks.

Yeah, and she's a night shift nurse, too. No nights? Oh, yeah. I can't believe she's not on something stronger than Dr. Pepper. She probably is. Yeah. You're going to learn a lot about Carly here pretty quick, Wyatt. I'm getting that feeling. Well, we just had to give you a call. Make sure your four tires are still turning up there. Yeah, still just... You weren't in a ditch. Just go on. Got all the lighting set up and the tables and chairs and running all over town, doing last minute odds and ends. So, what are you guys covering today? Well, we were just thinking, we just want to let you know that if you're doing the right thing in our minds, but if you did want to run, we would take you to the hills and scout a little bit. So, anyway, you've got a backup plan or an out. Hide me out for a minute if I need.

Well, we did tease Carly, too, and we don't know the answer to this, but apparently your grandma got after you guys because you've seen either her inner dress or her dress period. But our question is, when does the moratorium start where the groom and bride are no longer supposed to frolic and interact before the wedding? And Carly didn't know the answer to that. So, maybe you need to ask your grandma and conform and make grandma happy between now and tomorrow. I don't know anymore. I figured it was just the wedding day because you weren't supposed to see him in the dress before. And I was on grandma's side of that because I didn't want to go take bridal pictures either. So, you've been a good picture taker. Two or three trips. I saw that video. It was pretty fancy. A video? What do they call it, Wyatt? The first look? The first look. And supposedly that's something new.

Like, you're supposed to go get your bridal pictures. That's millennial. That's millennial stuff right there. First look. I don't know. Jenna didn't even know what all that was. No. I have not been allowed to peek. Nothing. So, you're old school. It's in a thing. A big, giant thing, and I can't. What do you mean? Thing. The dress? Like a closet? Cover. Oh. Just cover. Not clear either. You don't even know what it looks like. I have no idea what it looks like. See, I think he's doing it the old school way, Devin. Yeah. Consider yourself lucky for that because I had to go stand in a field and get my picture taken for two hours. And get your first reaction. Just like a trophy buck. One of your 52 Saturdays gone like that. Trophy buck on a water hole. 14 stealth cams and video clips being taken nonstop. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right, Wyatt. Well, good luck tomorrow, okay? Well, have a great day.

Pretty awesome. Okay. Thank you, guys. You bet. Pretty good. See you tomorrow. We'll see you. Hey, are you, you know, like if we were doing a podcast and you happen to be on your honeymoon, can we give you a holler? See how things are going? Yeah. Check in. I'll be up there. I'll be calling these guys next week. Maybe we'll be calling them next week. For sure. Don't, don't, don't. Hey. The listeners want to know. You just blew it. All right, Chris. We can't print this or we can't post this one until they're already answered the second time because they won't answer you next week. Well, I'm here. I know what's happening now. I know. They're going to answer. We might have a big buck. We'll probably. We'll talk to them about. Yeah. We might be looking at Old Faithful or some bears or something like that. Head into Yellowstone. I was told no binoculars, no glassing. Really? Yeah. Really?

Well, yeah. Whoa. Like leave your. We talked about going to Colorado and some of that. And I was like, oh, yeah, that sounds good. We could go over here. Pick some one. She's like, we're not looking for deer. So. Okay. Trying to change you already. Well, just for the money. Yeah. I have binoculars, spotting scopes, tripods. God damn. Well, you've been. You've got a megaphone for howling wolves in up there. You're ready to go. You got your pepper spray for grizzlies? I don't. Maybe stop in Jackson Hole and buy some pepper spray. I'm sure they have that. Don't. Don't try to grain free the bison. You watch all the videos of what happens to those people. Don't do that. Don't get gourd. Steer clear. All right. Okay. Sounds good, feller. All right. Talk to you later. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. That's good stuff right there. We got her in a verbal contract. I don't care what anybody says.

I'd hold up in the court of law.

All right. Pretty fun. Devin, you're getting off easy. We get a beat per take, and then you're just, it could have been the other way. Oh, yeah. You're coming up Saturday, too. So all this applies to you. My busy day will be Friday, just like why it's today. Yeah. Well. You excited? Yeah. It's going to be awesome. You're excited for Saturday. Chapter of life. We're to get over to you. Next chapter of life. You guys are ready. It's kind of crazy. You think about it forever. We're excited. We're excited for it. It's finally here. You got your place, and you got moved in. You both bought a house recently. A month ago, I want to say. Yeah. Or whatever, roughly. First of June. You got yours moved in. And so, yeah. It's awesome. It's great. Major life changes. Those are major decisions. Buying a house is major. Getting married is major. Big stuff. Busy. It's awesome. It's great.

Good for you guys. Chris? What's up? Nothing. Silencio.

Cricket. How do you say crickets in Spanish, Chris?

It's been a while. I don't know. You don't remember? I don't know. Chris, you can speak Spanish with the best of them. Probably not a word you use much when you need to speak Spanish. Well, you know. What else is new? The one thing. You know, so your brother. You found a truck for your brother. Well. At least you. We've talked. How many months has this been?

We're in the fifth month of the truck search. And we got people hitting us on Instagram, Carter. You had a guy hitting you. I find one driving in town. It's the exact truck. Other than it has two captain front chairs. Not a bench. So you hit me with the picture and said, hey, I found Aaron's truck. You hit Aaron. And tell him what. It's a 2017 Duramax Denali. Cherry. It's the best, the nicest one they make. Right? Yeah. 2017. Yeah. Good price. First question and only question. Does it have a bench in the front seat? And I says, no. It's got two wonderful captain chairs. Denali is going to have two awesome leather captain chairs. That's what this has. I don't know if they have a bench cloth seat in the Denali. Did he even reply to the text after you said, doesn't even reply? No. And he asked the price and miles. And I told him that. He never even replied.

And then I thought that day it was sold. Then I saw it again. And then they just moved it on the lot. So I'm like, hey, it's there. You want it? Here it is. Didn't even reply. So I'm done. I'm done. He will not have a truck bought by September 1. No. Hey, that's like 24 days or something. So I get Tyler from Instagram hit me up on the DM or whatever. What do you call that? Instant message? I am. Behind the scenes. Direct message. Okay. And he says, hey, Jason, been listening to the Epic Podcast daily. There's a bunch of 2020s and 2021 Chevy 2500s down here in Arizona at my dealership by my house. I heard your buddy needs a truck. I said, I will let him know. Sounds good. I want to say there's about 12 of them. Aaron, there are 12 trucks. Go buy one. Go hunting. Right? I love it. It's going to happen. I love it. Good times. Good times. Well, that's about it, fellas. Let's call Calvin.

They've had a huge, huge amount of kills recently. Big stuff, too. Those Sheep Mountain Outfitter guys up there in Oregon. They've been cranking some great animals. Killed a big ram and a big deer already. And a big animal. Yeah, that's right. All the extracurricular tags. Some of them are draw. Raffle tags that get a start August 1. It's awesome. He says, he eats. Vince Bloom, one of our members, killed a stud. Mule deer. He says the other day, old Calvin says, dude, you and Bronson need to come up here to Hell's Canyon. Yeah, we do. Let's give him a holler, see what he's got going, and see if they can just keep this pace. He might be there. They're cranking. Yo.

What are you doing? I am driving back from work. Dude. We got him. We got him by the net. We got Bronson, Devin on the podcast. You guys have been smoking some Giants. We just wanted to hear from the horse's mouth how good it feels. You guys have been laying him down. Yeah. Laying him down. My turn for this. We got you. Yeah, we got you. Yeah, and we know between work and home, there's no canyons and tunnels, so we should have you. You can't hang up. I've got a 90-minute commute. There you go. Yeah, welcome to Seattle. Oh, geez. You're over there. Wow. You're up that country. Working on a big line project up there, huh? Wow. Yeah, yeah. How is it dealing with all those Democrats up there? I was just going to say, this is going to spark. It is pure insanity. I actually saw a Joe Biden sign in somebody's yard today. I'm like, wow, I've never seen one of those. Wow. Wow.

You're the perfect person to ask, living in mask country, we'll call it, what the best masks are for the surrounding. Do you have to mask up, Calvin? Oh, 100%. Yep. You do? Oh, yeah. Climbing poles or doing whatever you're doing? Even shimmy pole. Yeah, we have to wear fireproof ones, too. Fireproof masks? You're sweating to death. Oh, we are sweating. They make Nomex masks? They do, yes. Wow. Wow. Yeah, they've got to be flash-protected and everything. So I guess your eyes can get burned off and your upper forehead, but not your nose and mouth. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So how does it feel to put down some of the biggest animals right here right off the bat? You guys are just cranking. You guys open up early, man, August. Man, it is. Yeah. A couple years ago, Oregon switched over to this August 1 opener, and we love it. We think it's fantastic.

It really works well, especially with Idaho for us because Oregon opens earlier. But you guys know what it is. You've been in the game long enough. If we have all four of us are going four different directions constantly, you know? So a big deer shows up, and then we found a ram early in the year, and then we're staying on him, and you lose him, and you lose him, and you lose him, and you find him again. And it's, oh, my goodness. It's logistics, logistics, logistics. That's what it is. And then it all came together, it feels like, on Saturday. Oh, my gosh. I wish you could read our group text between the whole group because we're all spread out all over the place. Yeah, this is how bad it is. I've texted Blankenship, and if Dan listens to this in a few days, he's not going to reply to my text. And I know because there was so much inflows.

I got buried about off the first page, and he doesn't even know I'm down there on really the forgotten child. Yeah, and I just can't wait until the next time Dan texts me, and he's like, oh, Adam hit me three weeks ago. I mean, I never got him back. That's right. By the way, Adam, we're still doing good here. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. I always told myself I'd never be that guy, but it just happens. It happens. It's so hard to get back to everybody. It does. It happens. It does. Well, with DMs and IMs and texts. Well, and when you go out of cell service, and then you come back in, and it blows up, and it's weird. Sometimes stuff literally does not show up if it's pictures attached. Yep, yep. So you guys laid down big, big deer, big antelope, 92-incher? Yeah, yeah. I mean, freak. That's a big two-point. I'm not an antelope guy, but yeah. Yeah, Carter is. We know. You guys know Russ Elms.

Oh, yeah. Russ was, huh? Yeah, and he sent me a photo of it, and I said, wow, I don't know anything about two points, but that's a big one. That's a giant. Yeah. Long beans on him. Yeah, and then he tells me what it scores, and I say, well, I can't ever think of one that has scored more than that from Oregon. He goes, I think there's one. Is there really? Wow. Yeah. Well, we could probably Google, or not Google, but Trophy Search at Carter and see what the state record is. Yeah, might do that. Get on Boone and Crockett Trophy Search. It's got to be there pretty close, and yeah. Yeah, and we're not talking just on some of these, we're not talking just about, you know, governor auction tags. We're talking about the premium hunts and the raffle tags, all those opened up. Now, these are guys that just anybody draws, and they start August 1 and have four or five-month seasons. Yeah.

Well, the deer hunter was a raffle hunter. Yeah. He was. Yeah, Vince. Vince Bloom raffle. Yeah. Vince Bloom. Yeah, he spent $11.50 and got a statewide deer tag. That's sick. Awesome. You've got to be in the draw, man. You've got to have tickets, and I was actually the runner-up for Northeast Deer in Oregon this year. Come on. I was. How much money did you throw out at $23, two tickets, or what? I had $100 in each one of them, and the names came up. I was on a bear hunt, and I saw my name pop up, and I go, oh, my gosh, if I get this tag, I'm going to fall over. So what do you mean? What do you mean you say your name pop up? As a runner-up? Yeah. Yeah. So what they do. Yeah. They tell you that. I wouldn't want to know that I was a runner-up. I was just going to say, I wouldn't even want to know that. I've seen other states do that, and I'm like, that creates.

I think it's basically causing a death threat. Yeah. It causes like, yeah. That guy's going to have a freak accident. Bad thoughts in your mind. Calvin's all of a sudden a serial killer. Yeah. The names that they do one digit at a time, and they start eliminating people from the pool, you know? And the last three names pop up, and it's myself, Ed Elms, who is Russ's father. Yeah. You guys know Ed Elms. Oh, yeah. We've known him for years. Yeah. Chris Pasqua, who is another Oregon guy that I know well. And, yeah. And then Chris got the tag. He's had it twice now. Wow. And he doesn't play a whole ton of money in it. But, yeah, it was great. That's the beauty of the raffle tags. It's awesome. And then that happens live? Geez. I mean, I know. That'd be kind of fun to watch. Oh, yeah.

It's kind of like the serial number $2 bill game or something, and you're going to gun at a banquet or something. Everybody stands up on the last one or two, and you have a little excitement. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Some guys load it real heavy, and, you know, they're definitely more regular than others. But every year, I can't tell you how many hunters we've had that is, oh, I just bought one ticket, you know, or whatever. Wow. We talk about it every year. So when people ask me, you know, I don't know what to get you for a birthday or whatever, I'm like, raffle tickets. Just, I don't even care what state. Just raffle tickets. Well, now that you've got a 92-inch or under SMO's hat, you know, just tell them you need an antelope ticket now that you can kill a giant. Yeah, maybe I'll start doing that. Don't forget antelope. Long beams and big eye guards. Yeah. Big hooker things on them.

So tell us when the next giant's going to fall. You guys are planning and prepping. I know, and scouting like crazy. The other guys are in. They just hit the trailhead earlier today, and I got the text, and they're going in after a statewide mountain goat. Wow. And you said you, well, anyway, I won't say what you say. I won't say what you said, but basically this could be a giant. We're going from two points. It's going to be a really good one. From two points to spikes. It's a really big two point. Yeah. Two points to spikes. This is awesome. That's awesome. Well, you guys do have Boone and Crockett and then some goats. So that's awesome. We do. We grow some really great goats, and we're looking forward to it. And then our attention's kind of going to turn to some more early Oregon sheep hunts and Idaho, Unit 11. Wow. Got a lot coming down the pipe, man.

A bunch of different species, man. Yeah, it is. It is. It's deer, elk. I know you guys do some big elk in that northeast corner, too, and Adelope. We do elk in 11 as well, and deer. And, yeah, it keeps getting bigger and bigger every year. But we've got a ton of great guys that are working for us and working with us. And our network's really big. Just awesome people. You know, same common goal. Everybody's interested in doing the same thing. And you're still maintaining your own hunts. You've got a day job, so to speak, and still, you know, getting in on all this big stuff. I mean. Oh, yeah. Truthfully, the guys are picking up a lot of slack for me because normally I've got a lot more time. But I am working like a dog right now. So I've just got to do it while it's here and get through this. And then I'll get more freedom.

But, yeah, I got my first week off in more than a year last week, and we made the most of it. That's awesome. That's awesome, man. You've got a hunt or two for yourself coming up in the next couple months? Well, you know, I just kind of hunt the wilderness units in Oregon, and I try and get a week for deer and a week for elk. And that's about what I can make swing. Yeah, with everybody else's hunts and my wife. And I've got three kids under – well, I've got a five-year-old now, so three kids under five. Wow. Crazy. We're getting old. It seemed like we just barely watched them have that first girl. I just turned 30 the other day. You're not going to get – 30? Wow. Wow, you just turned 30. Wow. How many kids? Three. You're going to have to quit hunting if they're that young and to get Father of the Year Award. Yeah. Oh, man. That's awesome, though. I try hard. That's a cool time.

You've got two girls and your youngest is a boy, right, if I remember right? That's correct. Yeah. So great. Awesome. So great. Well, any advice? Devin, he's on the podcast. You might have heard other – we just got off the phone with Wyatt. I heard, yeah. But Devin – Wyatt gets married tomorrow and Devin gets married Saturday. You just hit 30. You're roughly their age. And what do you say? Sounds like start popping out kids. Is that what you're going to tell these guys? Get some kids out on the ground. Yeah. I mean, just go ahead and make it as difficult as possible right off the bat. Go ahead and start having kids.

Any marital advice? Oh, man. I don't think you really start figuring it out until about 30. I finally feel like I'm starting to figure it out. So, Devin, for you, that's going to be 40. Yes. Because you're already 31. Aren't you 31? 31. All right. Well, he's got this lick then. Wyatt's 32 or 3, isn't he? Yeah. You don't have to deal with this. You don't have to get it figured out until you're 40. Until you're 40. Oh, yeah. I've been with my wife for almost 10 years. So, you know, she had to take a bet on me real, real early. And I think sometimes she's questioned it, but we'll see. Nah. It paid off. You guys are doing good. It paid off. Yeah. She's a hunter. You're a hunter. You guys have done great over the years. Oh, yeah. We went on a backpack trip on that week. I did get one day to go out. And she did 15 miles with our six-month-old kid. Oh, wow. On a chest pack.

I was going to say backpack, but chest. And, wow. Chest pack. Yeah. Jeez. 15 miles with him on there. He looked like he was attacked by mosquitoes by the time we got down. Some burnt. Second-degree sunburn on his head. Yeah. River crossings the whole nine yards. It was a great time. All right. Well, congratulations on everything you guys are doing. It's pretty awesome. The biggest trophies of the year right off the bat. I mean, you know. It's cool to just see stuff. The first big trophies of the year, I should say. Yeah. Everybody's crushing it, and we're not done. We got a lot coming up, so hopefully we can keep it rolling. Well, like I said, we tried some of the other guys. And, Dan, when you hear this, hey, we'd like to report sometime when you get out of the bush. Answer your text. That's right. But we got Calvin. Calvin's probably, you know, working somewhere. That's right.

If he's up a pole somewhere, he's going to have cell service, so we'll try it. Just got to take his face mask off. Oh, yeah. Dan, I got a text from Dan. He was headed in this morning. I dropped his trailer off at the trailhead for him, and he's going in. So he'll be out of it for a while. But, yeah, we'll report back. Okay, buddy. Awesome. Good luck on everything. Appreciate it. Gravel safe. Keep sending pictures. Yeah, thank you guys for all the support. We appreciate it. You bet. No problem. Talk to you later. Bye-bye.

All right. It's kind of fun talking to people that are putting their hands on big stuff. It is. August is early. Usually it's Nevada deer, August 10th. It just feels like Oregon has come out of nowhere the last two or three years because of these raffle and premium tags that start the 1st. And these guys are working hard, you know. They're networked, and they're working hard and finding big stuff. I mean, putting Oregon on the map. It's an example where scouting pays because you can hunt August 1st, so you don't waste time. You kill what you found during the summer and patterned and all that. Good times. Good times. Well, that's about it, fellas. Let's, you know, we've got a good buddy that guides in Arizona, guides into Mexico. He's been out nonstop. Davey Matthews, he knows firsthand the antler growth for elk, deer, and whatnot. He's pretty fun to talk to.

Should we give him a holler real quick and just see what he has to say? He's been using some of the new UA gear, some of the new boots, I think. He's loving it. Yeah, the hovers. Hasn't he? I think so. Let's ask him. I haven't even worn mine yet. I got them. I haven't even worn them in the hills.

Here they're awesome.

What are you doing, Carter? Hey, tell me something good. What's going on down there? Dude, I wish I had something good to say. Come on. What are you listening to there on the radio, this Bronson? We've got you on a hot mic, too. Oh, okay. I was listening to some old country, Y2K today. Oh, Y2K. Old? Wow. You know what I mean? Serious satellite. Old country? That's from 2000. That's not old country. No, it's not. You know what? It seemed a little old compared to some of the new stuff. Oh, yeah. Some of this new... I found those things called CDs.

I know. Holy smokes. Tell us... Turn down Kelsey Ballerini in the background. Turn her down. The chicks. I know. The chicks. You guys caught me with the Dixie chicks. No, they're not the Dixie chicks. They're just the chicks. We've already covered that on this podcast. I learned that today. Yeah. That's right. They're just the chicks. They changed their name. Oh, my God. Did you hear that? When you switched over to Fox, did you hear that, that they changed their name? Yeah. Yeah, they changed their name. They took the Dixie out of the chicks. You're not listening to CNN, are you? No. Carter, you said you were not going to get political. Carter went on a political sabbatical at the start of the podcast. I'm just checking. I'm just making sure that the outfitters we work with... He can't go 45 minutes. ...are not listening to CNN. That's all I want to know. No, I am not listening to CNN.

All right. All right. I've got Fox on there. I think it's number three on my quick set, but... Yeah. That's about it. That begs for what's number one and two. We've got to know. Yeah. You know. It's the country stations. Yeah. It's Y2K. It's the highway and Y2K. Well, it's prime country first. Oh, okay. And then the highway. Yeah. And then Y2K. Yeah. Highway gets a little much because it's reruns all day long. After one day, you've got to put it down for a week because it's the same for the week. Exactly. You know what? How's things looking in Arizona and New Mexico? Yeah, we're getting ready. Arizona. Arizona. Arizona elk look pretty good. The deer seem to be down a little bit. I don't think they're down terrible. I think there's still going to be some good bucks to shoot. New Mexico elk, which that's what I'm over here doing now, looks really good. Yeah. We've been talking about that.

It feels like elk. This is going to be the year of the elk. It doesn't matter. These four corner states. Feels good. New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and then Nevada, there's giants. I mean, we're talking about Utah. It's been a while since we've had a bumper crop in Utah. Watch out. There's going to be some big elk killed in Utah this year. Man, I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Yeah. So you're in New Mexico, and I know you guys have had – it's been a very lackluster monsoon season for us in southern Utah and so-so in Arizona. But eastern Arizona and New Mexico has been a pipeline, right? Isn't New Mexico had a bunch? Yeah. We've actually, for the last three weeks, have been pretty steady with monsoons at least every other day. Sometimes it's twice a day. Like yesterday, we had rain in the morning, and then rain again last night.

So I think – I mean, it's really starting to green up here. I mean, it is what it is. All the elk are pretty much not growing here anyway. Well, it also, though, helps, I think, condition some of the elk cows and everything else from a rut initiation. When it's hot and dry and everything, it's like – And it keeps the forest open. Yeah. They close those forests down. They're not – Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I heard they just opened 23, the forest down there in 23 this last Friday. Yep. They had just opened the tonneau. Yeah. Yeah, and it'll be interesting. You know, a lot of guys haven't been able to go in there and scout or any of that stuff. So it could be – there could be something that shows up on one of these general tags in that unit that might blow somebody away that could have been and probably should have been shot with one of the gov tags. Wow.

But they just haven't had the time to go in there and scout it. You know, it's closed for over a month, month and a half or something like that. Now, general tags, we're talking – I just want to clarify. You're talking like the general draw, the regular draw tags. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, the general draw archery. So 23's had a retrieve because they've killed a couple of these auction – let's call them auction animals, whether it be the raffle or whatever – in other units. They're not even hunting 23, and a lot of these have been coming out of 23. Exactly. Yeah. So there could be some of those archery hunters or the early rifle hunt that just killed just, you know – 400, 10, 20, whatever. Yeah, exactly. Something, something, you know, big, big numbers. Wow. Well, all right. Everything else going good for you? You're getting ready for a big season? Yeah, yeah.

We're kind of dialing it all in and getting ready and making our final preparations and doing all the good stuff now and just hammer and scouting daily, you know, until, you know, I've got – I don't – they just started archery antelope up here, which I don't have any archery antelope hunters, but I do have some of the general antelope hunters coming up in two weeks. So just grinding away, getting ready for this season, make it the best we can. About here, yeah. Your wife's about to go through another cycle. We've been there, done that, so. Yes, exactly. You got her on the payroll, right? She's got a – Yeah, she's officially on the payroll now, so. So she can't complain. She can't complain too much because – You're David Matthews Outfitters and you're married to your wife. What does that mean that she's on the payroll? What does that mean?

DMO is paying her to be happy during the hunting season. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Her workload just took a major hit and decreased by substantially because she was working a full-time job. Plus doing your work. And then doing my stuff on the side. Now she's just doing my stuff, you know, and – Yeah. It's still a lot of work. Doing it through contract, final contract stuff coming up. A lot of your – Yeah, for us use permits. Permitting. Yeah, permits, trip plans, you know, all the good stuff. Yeah. Laundry. You mean being an outfitter just isn't about killing stuff? Well, if – There's a lot more to it. Yeah, yeah, there's quite a bit more to it than just killing stuff. Outfitting really is an all-year job, you know, it really is. Crazy. What about – hey, I know you've got – you've been using those new hover – UA hover boots. How are you liking those things? You know what? I love them.

I love them. The only complaint when I bought them is all they had available was the 400 – Insulated. Insulated on them. Oh, yeah. Well, that'll come in handy in a month or two here. Yeah, you know, it's just – they make my feet hot, but, man, they are so comfortable. I have to wear them all the time. You know, they're so comfortable. I think you've got non-insulated coming your way, right? Yeah, yeah. I do have some non-insulated ones on my way. So, I'm anxious to put those work break them in and just get after it. But they are. They're super nice. They've got the cushion of the fat tire and the, you know, the stability and the ankles. Or something else. Yeah. As some of the other hunting boots. So, they are really, really nice. Nice. All right. Well, you didn't break – you got your truck fixed. I know you were out on the strip and basically lost a ball joint. Did he? Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

And I had to drive in 55 miles going 15 miles an hour. The mechanic was just beside himself, not even sure how I even made it back into town. Really? Really? Yeah. Yeah. So, it just – it was sitting on my TV, you know, and it, you know, busted the boot and all the grease was everywhere. And it was a big mess. But we got it lined out. It added a four – it added four days to the strip trip. So, you know, we didn't get quite everything we wanted to get done and checked. But – You're ready to go for the next trip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Good deal. Well, I don't know what else there is to know. No, we wish you the best of luck out there this year, Davey. Just wanted to check with you. You've been state to state and cranking hard deer, elk, a little bit of everything. And so, we just want to kind of get your take on it. Yeah. Awesome, man.

You're hunting your antelope here in a couple weeks in New Mexico? Yeah. In New Mexico. Yes, sir. In New Mexico. Yes, sir. Good. How are the Audad looking? The Audad are always good, you know. He hunts those, too. I know he does. I like Carver. Ibex had good growth. How they do? Yeah, they should be good, too. I mean, he does all this stuff. I know he does. How many miles do you drive a year, Davey? Well, I've had this truck now. I'm going on my fourth year, and I've put 218,000 on it. In four years. Nasty ones. Okay, when you open the door, go outside and look in the back of my truck, and that's what the inside of his truck looks like. Oh, quick. Come on. Davey. The forest caddy right now is shining right now. The forest caddy. The forest caddy? Oh, yeah. That's what he's saying? The forest caddy. Oh, jeez. That white truck or whatever you brought up here. Jacked up last month? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. His license plate is forest caddy. It says that? Yeah. Come on. It does. It does. Well, now the whole world knows what truck is DMOs. Oh, he ain't hiding. He's loud and proud. That thing's 10 feet in the air. Yeah. Huh, Davey? Oh, yeah. So is that the best truck you've ever owned? You've had Rams. That's Carter's favorite line is the best truck you've ever owned. That's his. He loves to try to put words in people's mouths. Listen, listen. Go ahead, Davey. I've heard him say that a bunch to me. And before, I would just, I would say absolutely not when I had my Dodge. But this Chevy really is. It's been the best truck I've owned. It's held together nice. The only, you know, like you said, you just have those front end parts that wear out because we do what we do. And it's a diesel, yeah. It's a diesel going down hundreds of miles of washboards.

Yeah, thousands and thousands of miles of washboards, you know, annually. So, but other than that, it's just been those front end parts and it runs good. And I mean, I cannot complain, honestly. It's been a great truck. Wow. Probably not one when you're ready to get rid of it. My brother Aaron's going to buy it. It's not going to pass the test. I'm just terrified. It is a one owner, but it's not a clean one owner. Yeah, it's, yeah, exactly. It's got sagebrush growing in the back. Oh, dude, I had grass growing in the back of my truck one time. Yeah, I know you did. In the bed. I've seen grass growing in the back of my truck on occasion. Oh, yeah. You know, you never know. I'm sure, if I was up in like Washington or something like that, it'd probably be moss. Oh, yeah. You'd grow a little patch of alfalfa back there. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. But, no, that's good.

Well, we're just, we're semi-bored in the office. Our hunts in Utah don't start until August 15th. We've all got archery deer tags. So, we're just calling to get to report people that are out going and doing. So, glad we caught you. Yeah, no problem. No problem. All right, guys. Same to you. Well, good luck with everything. All right. Yep. We'll chat soon. Keep the greasy side down on that truck, okay? We will. Thank you. You bet. Talk to you later. All right. See you. Bye. What does that mean, Carter? Keep the greasy side down. Have you ever seen Davey drive? You wear a seatbelt. You might roll that thing. That's coming from you. Yeah, that's coming from, that's exactly, that's a good point, Archibald, because Carter, have you seen him drive down 200 North or Main Street here? Airport Road. He'll go 55 or 60. They only give us a short lunch break here, Davey. All right, guys.

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I don't think that's going to happen. Devin gives me the look like that ain't happening. If you remember, they're 31 and 33. They know what they want at this stage. And I think there's been some ground rules. She knew what she was getting when she picked me up. That's what I mean. You're not 21 and not knowing even what you want. Nobody knows what they really want at 20. And I have a feeling Devin's pretty set in his ways. Well, I mean, I'm set in my ways, but Devin, I think he's set in his ways. Well, at 31, you kind of aren't. Chris? No, he's definitely set in his ways. Chris, are you set in your ways? I believe so. I don't even know the definition of that. There's some leeway. I don't know. I just think. Don't think it. You're not as moldable, I think, probably. You kind of know. This is me. This is what I'm going to do. And if you like me, all right, let's go out.

And we'll go on a second date. But anyway, got a cool podcast. These guys are opening the new chapter. Pretty fun. Hopefully enjoyed laughing. And good luck, Devin. Devin, real quick. Let's just throw a little shout out. You deal with a lot of our outfitters and tags. There's a couple of tags that are available that we had a 15 muzzle tag. What else have we got out there? 15 muzzle loader. That's a mature bull. Unit six. You can pick three seasons, three season dates. Yeah, you've got the October muzzles, and then you've got the November muzzle. You've got to choose one of those. One late November. Yep, so you can choose your seasons there. And then a six-seat archery tag. Yeah, these are New Mexico elk. That's a six-seat archery. Both unit wide. So if you're looking for something, and that's just, those are tag only. Now, you've also got outfitters calling you, Devin. Pretty much daily.

But, I mean, with COVID and everything that's been going on around the world and Canada, with hunts being canceled, there's been a lot of emphasis on people wanting to try to find hunts. So stuff's not sticking around in the lower 48. No. Very long. But if you're looking for something or have time in your schedule, I guess, yeah, give us a call. Give you a call. Yep. And we'll do the best to find them. I've got stuff out there. It's changing daily. Outfitters are telling me, you know, they're rotating through guys, asking for new guys, new hunts popping up. Just a lot of stuff changes every day. A lot of change right now. And the closer we get to September, it's just going to be that much more. So give Devin a holler at Devin, you can email him, D-E-V-I-N, at epicoutdoors.com, epicoutdoors with an S dot com, or give us a holler, 435-263-0777.

We're here to help you, whether it be optics, hunts, anything Western big game hunting, that's what we do. Give us a holler.