EP 211: Still Some Hope For 2021

The morning we lost sheep that we had seen a couple days earlier. You don't know. There's big deer in almost every unit. If you only have so many chances in life, you've got to take every one you can. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter. No Adam Bronson. Where's Adam? We really don't know. Yeah, did he divulge that information? He's in Hawaii on a beach somewhere.

Did he convince his family to take guns this time and try to go hunt? No, he didn't try to ruin the family vacation this time. He did earlier. We're going to go to Hawaii, but we're going to hunt when we're there. Yeah, we're taking guns. He's like, I'm going to be honest, it kind of frustrated the trip a little. I'm sure. You're trying to do too much, right? Can't imagine. Let alone a COVID environment. Who knows? I think we should tease him a little bit. Just beaches and sightseeing this time? Well, remember, you're supposed to get a COVID test and like all the online portals were not working right here and locally to get signed up. So then he's leaving Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. So Monday morning comes. He goes downtown to see if they can get tested. Yeah, the online portals are back up and working, but they're full. It's like a 24-hour test. You can't have the rapid test. Oh, no.

So he has to drive to Vegas. By then, it's 10 a.m. Vegas time. You're leaving 10 a.m. Vegas time the next day. And they had to have their COVID test, the good wazoo test that makes sure that you're negative. Wherever he was getting tested before was questionable, though, I think. Well, there's like 14 little reservations months around here.

So anyway, they were all negative and off they went. Having a wonderful vacation on the beach somewhere. Now they just have to test to get home, right? Yeah, I don't know. That's the tricky part. Do they? They do have to test to get home? This is why I canceled my honeymoon to Mexico. I was going to ask you where you were going. I was supposed to go to Mexico. And it just came down to like. What part? Any parts you and I have been to? No, no. I wasn't going to go back to. Not to Wymas? Sonora. No, no. Honeymoon in Sonora. I can only imagine how happy she'd be. Yeah. No, we were supposed to go to like that Playa del Carmen bike. Oh, yeah. Cancun. But it just was one of those things like, are we going to make it back? I don't know. So. Yeah. It's not worth. Because if you get it, you're like 14 days. Yeah, I don't want to quarantine in Mexico. And I got stuff going on.

Maybe they're three and a half weeks.

I'm not going to lie. Most everybody here has had COVID, right? Like you've had COVID, Wyatt? I have had it, yeah. Did it suck? It did suck, yes. You know, and I've made light of it and laughed a little too loud. And I paid the price. I got COVID of epic proportions. I couldn't. Cotton mouth. Can't taste anything. Can't smell anything. It sucked. Didn't you say your dog got sprayed by a skunk? And that's when you're like. Oh. Yeah, they're like, Dad, Allie got sprayed by a skunk. No, she didn't. I walk outside. No, everything's fine. I'm like, yeah, I got a problem. And you're 102 degrees. Yeah, 102 and a half degrees like for eight days. Pretty soon you're the one bathing the dog. We ask him what he did when he was home and he watched Alone. Alone. I watched Alone. When you know you've got a problem, when you watch Alone, Alone. I mean, for hours. Anyway, onward. So, what do we got?

We got to thank Under Armour. We appreciate Under Armour. Thank you, Under Armour. Appreciate you for all the support here at Epic Outdoors. Got a lot of products coming out, right? Yeah. Middle of mid-July. Mid-July. A lot of new stuff coming out there to be excited for and to watch for. Got some heat zips, finally. Yeah, heat zips, lighter weight pants. I yelled, kicked and screamed. It was too hot. Some of that stuff's awesome. The Raider pant was the most amazing pant I ever invented until we needed heat zips in them. Yeah, and they made that happen. Yeah. And the light weight version, which is going to be huge. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. So, we're excited for that. Anyway, so mid-July. It should be awesome. UA.com. You can go to our website. I think we still have 40% coupons on there, don't we? Yeah, we'll have some new ones coming, too, before that deadline.

And they're like $2,000. You get like up to $2,000. 40% off up to $2,000. Holy crap. You can download a couple of cards if you've got lots of birthdays and Christmases to buy for. Yeah. Anyway, pretty awesome. We've also a little state of the nation address here in the west for as far as hunting. We've got Wyoming points only. That's a July 1 to November 1. That's coming up fast and furious. This is Montana. July 1 to September 30, Oregon. July 1 to November 30. I'm just rattling off some dates. If I'm wrong, don't call and get mad at me. I'm just doing the best I can here off the cuff. Anyway, and you can still get in for some Wyoming super tags. How about that? You guys jump in on any of that stuff? On the Wyoming points only thing, you've got to remember that you do have to go back in and buy your points for deer, elk, and antelope. You just don't award those. Even if you applied.

Even if you applied, yep. That's good, Wyatt. I'm glad you brought that up because that is true. And it's definitely screwed up a few people when you think that you're getting your point because you applied initially and you don't. You don't just get your point because you applied. So everybody, not people just want points only, but everybody that want a point need to go in and do it for Wyoming. So I like it. You mentioned the super tag. It is a pretty awesome opportunity. They have 10 species, 11 chances to win with the 11th being the trifecta. They've got bighorn sheep, elk, moose, deer, mountain goat, wild bison, antelope, black bear, gray wolf, and mountain lion. Black bear, did you say that? I said black bear. That's a species. And the trifecta thing, can you imagine winning that? You've got to choose three. Yeah. Probably choose the sheep, moose, and I don't know, elk maybe. Huh?

Or deer, elk, and sheep. You didn't say mule deer? Well, I mean, you know. Yeah. I've got a deer tag up there. How about that? Huh. Yeah. I'm going to divulge that on the podcast. We should divulge some of Adam's on the podcast. We should. He deserves it. We need a bunch of stickies like he brings in here. Yeah. See a few notes. And he tries to hide him like playing cards. I'm going to crush Archibald for this. I'm going to crush Wyatt for that. I'm going to bring up where Chris, by the way, where are you going to honeymoon? Did you guys? Oh, we went. We went. You guys went and did a few things, but then you were working. No, we took the kids. We only went for like three days and then came back. But we went to Vegas. We took the kids down there and all stayed. Oh, okay. Do some swimming. Yeah. It's swimming. I hung out. Good. Took them to the M&M factory. Down to Vegas? Yeah.

They got an M&M factory? Well, the M&M store. It's like four stories. Kind of cool. Customized M&Ms, you know. Yeah. Nice. It was fun. All right. So deadline for that is what, July 1st? Yeah. As far as getting in on the Wyoming Super Tags, get in right away. You got $10 each for the individual species and $30 for the trifecta.

Somebody's got to win. So anybody that's looking for tags, of course, it seems like everybody in the world, Devin, we don't have enough inventory to sell everything. People want to go to the lower 48 when you can't go to Canada. They're nervous about going overseas. You know what I mean? Yep. And every day people call, hey, I'm not going to Canada. What do you got? So not a lot out there. Anyway, so tickets go on sale until July 1st. So anyway, Wyoming Super Tags. You know, we were going to talk about Nevada a little bit. Nevada's got their Dream Tags up and another great opportunity. We've actually had members draw the Dream Tags, and it's pretty awesome. Those Dream Tags are good for any open season. And so anyway, what a great opportunity out there. I kind of brought Wyatt in here. Wyatt, just tell us how much you love Nevada. Nevada's great for about 15 minutes a day.

You get about 10 minutes in the evening and about five minutes in the morning when Nevada's just great. It's just amazing. Yeah. It is. It's an amazing place. You're looking up desert animals, big bulls, bucks. All of a sudden things move. There's something around all of a sudden. All of a sudden the sun comes up and Nevada turns miserable. It does not. Hot, dry, dusty. Hey, have you ever been to a place that has more warm springs? Like, dude, you go to Panaca, you can go hang in the warm springs. You can go. I mean, there's warm springs at Warm Springs. There's a little swimming pool there. It's impossible to have a cold spring out there. It's impossible to have a cold drink. It's impossible. That's true. So, no, it's true. Wyatt will take his overnight bag, have about three nights worth stuffed in there, not even open at once. He's back home to mama.

Try to take a nap during the afternoon and it's too hot. Too hot. Chris, how many days have we been out there? But it's the most amazing place on earth. It is. It's pretty amazing. It's cool. Cool. Devin, I've heard you've been known to freeze in Nevada. Why don't you tell us a freezing story? Freezing story? Oh. Nevada's just cold. I mean, I don't know what else to say. Like, Ely. It's 113 degrees of mesquite right now, but you're right. Even if you stay in town, Ely's a nice little place. Ely is the coldest place on earth. It's like Greenville, Utah. Yeah. Marysville, when you go down in a hole. Like, why did they build the town here? I don't know. Down in this hole? I don't know. You know, Nevada's like that, though. All those little towns are down in dips and kind of secluded. Yeah. Yeah, I've had some cold days out there.

But anyway, but up there, like, they've got some of those late hunts. The most amazing hunts are the sheep hunts. They start generally around November 20th, and it's just a wonderful time of year. Great weather. It's funny. You do think about it being hot all the time, and maybe that's why we get cold, because I remember we went, like, two years ago. Me and Jeff went on this hike. Of course, we didn't pack for cold weather, and we get up there, and it's just snowstorm. Blizzard, and we get up there about freeze to death. But luckily, Jeff whipped out the pyro putty, and we built a fire and sat there for a minute. But I just think it was because we're not ready for it. Yeah. We're not expecting it to be cold. No. You're always wearing, like, summer clothes in October, November, and it's just miserable. The closest I've ever been hypothermia was August 31st. Really? On an archery elk hunt.

Killed a bull at night, packing it out. Come on. Rain, fog, sleet. Really? I thought I was done. We had a 12-year-old. The biggest, he was bigger than me when he was 12. But luckily, he was a tough guy. I thought we were in trouble. Oh, that was probably for GPS. Huh? It was in the truck. I had one. It was in the truck. Oh, okay. All right. Well, they've got a lot of those late hunts that are cold, too. You know, some of those 081, the late December hunt. That sucker can... Guys need snowmobiles at times. When people think of Nevada, it's not all just freaking hot, like Wyatt's talking about. But that's part of the cool part with Nevada, is especially with DreamTags, you can hunt everything. So you could start August 10th. Yeah. You can go to end of... When is it 081 deer? Rifle deer? End of December. Yeah. You could do all those Reno hunts. Yeah. Who knows? Anything. Any open season.

Any open season with that weapon. You know what I mean? So you can buy as many tickets as you want. They're like five bucks plus 75 cent processing fee. Basically, it's a $6 ticket. And you can buy as many as you want. Yeah. One cool thing about Nevada, too. One of the members we had win it last year already had an elk tag in his pocket. He did win this DreamTag and took two elk in Nevada last year. So you can take multiple animals. If you already have something in your pocket this year, you can still harvest animals in Nevada. Isn't that cool? Same species. Landowner tags, whatever it is you want. You can kill as many animals as you have tags for. So if you drew the sheep and you drew the dream and then you drew elk, bought deer or whatever, you can just keep killing. Keep feeding the family. Keep killing the freezer. That's right. Well, I'm just wondering if we shouldn't call.

So this Dave Simonico, he had that DreamTag for Desert Sheep. He's a member of ours. He'd have no idea we're calling him. I don't even know if he'll answer the phone. But just wondering if we should just call him and see what he thought of his hunt. Of course, he killed a freaking stud in the McCulloch's. But let's ring him up and see if he'll chat with us.

Dave, Jason Carter and the Epic Outdoors crew here in southern Utah. Hey, Jason. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing good. I didn't know if you would answer. No. Hey, I usually try to answer, especially if I see it somewhere like Utah. Okay. Well, I didn't know if you were trying to, you know, thought maybe we'd be selling you extended car insurance or something. Warranty. Stuff. No. No, I know how to hang the phone up. All right. Well, anyway, we're on the Epic Outdoors podcast. We just wanted to call you real quick. We're talking about DreamTags in Nevada. Just wanted to get a quick rundown from somebody that's drawn a tag and killed a stud.

Well, what would you like to buy? I feel like I was the leprechaun that discovered the pot of gold at the end of the rain. Boy, I can tell you that. Well, how many tickets did you buy? You don't have to tell us the exact figure, but just, you know. No, you know, I'll tell you it was not an exorbitant amount. And I think those DreamTag tickets are usually $5 a piece, right? Yeah, $6 or something total. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, I think I bought five tickets, so $25 worth. And I bought them for, you know, all the species. I mean, I got the, you know, elk. And I think I bought, you know, goat, too, and mule deer, you know, as well as the, you know, the ship tag. And, you know, and I just, I was the lucky guy, and to be quite frank with you, you know, when I first got a notice from the, you know, from the foundation or whatever. I mean, I thought it was a joke, right?

And I thought it was, you know, I was getting scammed. And so I actually called the, you know, NDOW to make sure that, you know, it was legit and it was on up and up. And I pretty much probably took the better part of an hour to pick myself up off the floor when I realized, you know, I pulled a desert sheep tag. And so, you know, all I can say is that, you know, I mean, you know, usually every year when I put in for all the species in all the states, and, you know, I buy a couple of raffle tags here and there, but quite frankly, I just figured the money would go for a good cause. I never really expected it. Wow.

It's unbelievable. Yeah. And then, and then, of course, the, the hunt comes and goes, how do you, how'd you decide where to go? Like, I mean, there's a number of units to choose from. Obviously, you pick, you know, the McCullows and maybe you hunted some other, other country too. I don't know.

Well, I, I guess the, you know, I kind of tell you how that came down is, you know, I got the tag. I knew it was, you know, it was pretty much after, you know, the rest of the sheep hunters. And I knew that they had drawn tags. So, you know, I put the feelers out. I, you know, I talked to you guys and some others and, you know, I knew I wasn't going to try and do it on my own because I just didn't take the chance of, you know, burning the tag or not making the most out of the tag. But, but I couldn't, I'm not a trophy hunter buying just, you know, the tag that, you know, landed, you know, kind of in my lap, quite frankly. And I ended up talking to a few folks, including you guys and Silver State guides and outfitters.

You know, they had done some recon and Colby Eggie, who, who, you know, pretty much kind of, you know, runs that, that show now was, was really gracious about the whole thing. And said, you know, hey, they could accommodate me. And I knew that they were taking the, I think the governor's tag holder out. And so, you know, they had their eye on, you know, a number of fairly good Rams. And of course he had taken his, you know, the tag, the governor's tag holder, taking his earlier, I think in October or something like that. So, you know, I was able to, you know, you know, be the beneficiary recipient of some of that, that early recon. And, and they really sorted out, you know, what, what unit we were going to hunt based on some of their, you know, their scouting. Yeah, their scouting effort. Right. Yeah. And yeah, so it came together pretty quickly.

I mean, I, you know, I flew into Vegas, they picked me up and, you know, they had great accommodations and, you know, we got, you know, I ended up going out a couple of days earlier just to, just to do some scouting with them when they set camp up and, you know, opening day, things just kind of, you know, at the end of the day, things came together. You know, the morning we lost sheep that we had seen a couple of days earlier. And, but in the afternoon, you know, we came on, came on that band and, you know, didn't set a state record, but, you know, what I was happy with, you know, 173 inches. Yeah, that's a pretty good one. That's a pretty, that's one of the better sheep. Yeah. That's one of the better sheep taken. How awesome is that? Dang. And so did you hunt right off the bat? I mean, you know, or, or was it a week into it or do you remember roughly?

No, we, we, we actually got the Ram on opening day. Like I said, we, we went out, you know, a couple of days earlier and there were some BLM guys that actually had gone up, you know, the Canyon. We had, you know, eyes on some Rams for opening morning was me and two other guys, you know, one was, you know, with me. The other one was doing some, some spotting, you know, from his position. And, you know, it was a little bit disappointing that when we got up in the morning, we got out there and sun, sun came up. We were, we had hiked back in and got in position, but, you know, Rams were gone. And so we were just back, you know, trying to do a little, do a little regrouping. And actually we were glassing from camp. I had taken my boots off and decided I was going to take a little bit of a break.

And one of the guys said, you know, cause Brandon Salina said, Hey Dave, you might want to put those boots back up, man. We got, and we, we got some sheep and we just, and, and we did a quick assessment cause we didn't know if we were going to have time to get to them, you know, before dark. But to make a long story short, we did, we didn't know exactly how big the sheep was, but you know, there, there were several in the group and they were with some ewes and stuff as well. And, you know, we were able to get there and, and just in the nick of time and, you know, we started to lose a little light, but I got a, I got a shot at, you know, 325 yards. I think it was, which is, it's a little bit of a stretch for a flatlander from Michigan. Right. But you know, you guys, that's perfect. Yeah. You know, but yeah. So we were able to get a shot off, drop them right there. And that was it.

It was opening day Ram. I mean, I was, I was pretty much besides myself and you know, the emotions that go along with that. You kind of, you know, you're happy you've got something, but you're like, man, I can't believe this hunt is over already. You know, they just want to savor it for longer. Right. But, but it turned out, it turned out great. And I was, you know, and I still am a happy camper. All I got to say is, you know, I'll continue to buy auction tags. I don't know if I'll, you know, strike, I'll find another pot of gold at the end of a rainbow again. But, but you know, you don't continue to play the raffles a little bit here and there. Yeah. You know, I mean, some of them are, the odds are pretty good anyway, but yeah. I mean, if you got a couple extra bucks, I mean, you know, yeah, I, I, I, oh, my, my name in the hat. Yeah, for sure. Well, that's awesome.

We just wanted to talk to a guy that's won a tag and smashed a great animal and just proves it, you know, proves that their, their guys do win. There's a few guys out there that do win and they end up killing something special. And so anyway, we just wanted to kind of get the verbal rundown. Yep. Feel blessed for it. And I, I, quite frankly, I appreciate all the counsel and guidance you guys have given me, you know, over, over the years. You know, you guys have done a nice job. So. You bet. No problem. Well, we appreciate the support and congratulations again. And it's just nice to, it's nice to get the verbal rundown. So we appreciate it. Thanks for answering. Thanks. All right. See you later. You bet. Bye. Bye.

Well. That's a pretty awesome story. Somebody's got to win. Why don't I ever win? Why am I not a winner? I remember when he, he called him, he was pretty pumped. Pretty awesome. Yeah. It's awesome. Pretty awesome. Well, should we give Jack Rob a call and just see what the heck's going on at Endow? Why not? See if they're dealing with any anti-hunters. I love, I love, I love getting it skinny on some of this stuff.

Hey, Jason. Hey, what's going on at Endow lately?

Just coming out of Ewing, Nevada. Why? What are you doing there? It has some business to take care of.

You mean not everything's just super smooth? Yeah, no, no, no. All right. Well, have you got a minute? Are you in decent service? What's that? Have you got a minute? Are you in decent service? Yeah, I can pull over and take a minute. Well, we just, we've got you on the podcast here. We just wanted to kind of get a state of the nation address over there in Nevada. We've got, of course, we've got the dream tags. Everybody's looking to apply and whatnot. There's a few, you know, just a few remaining cleanup items. Guys don't have, you know, have a tag in their possession or something. We did talk to, oh, Dave, who won the dream tag last year for Desert Sheep, and that was a pretty awesome story. Another one of those things about Nevada. I've got to go. I've got to go about a mile back down the road to get good service. You sound pretty good. Head back to McGill.

Where'd you say McGill? Head back to McGill and park by the car wash or something. Is that where you go? I saw a spaceship from there once. You did not. It was a military test thing. Those little floating balloon things? Yeah. Do you think there's anything to that Area 51 stuff? Aliens. We'd have to ask Adam. You got me good now, Jason? Yeah, I've got you. All right, good. Do you guys have, we were just wondering, is that Area 51 a real thing? Like, is there crazy stuff going on around there? Ah, I grew up right outside the test site. There's a lot of unidentified stuff out there, but I don't know if it's from aliens or it's our government testing out new stuff. Yeah, exactly. Devin's trying to tell me there's aliens in Nevada.

Well, so tell us what's going on in Nevada. How's things looking? Well, I can tell you it was looking fairly rough there for a while. We started hauling water and been hauling water. We hauled water as late as last week. And actually, when we were finishing up hauling water, we got some monsoonal moisture come through. Not really enough to fill guzzlers, but definitely enough to put some green up on the landscape. And that's what we really needed. We were here to the point where we can keep hauling water, but we need some groceries on the landscape at the same time. So we got some good rains that should help in that. We were watching some of the radar. It looked like it was hitting in and around Vegas places and, you know, on up through just, you know, various places. It looked good. And I don't know the forecast here. I don't know.

I haven't looked at your guys' stuff, but it looks like it's coming here this next week.

I'm supposed to be out in central Nevada 4th of July weekend. I really don't like being rained on 4th of July weekend, but this year I think I'm going to take it and just deal with it. Yeah. Yeah. Beggars can't be choosers. Well, tell us on this dream, the dream tags. We just want to kind of go over the particulars, but basically you can buy as many tickets as you want. It's roughly $5 plus $0.75 convenience fee. So, you know, for $6 you're in and you can buy as many as you want for all the different species. You can win them all. Of course, probably haven't had a guy win them all. But you can play them all, win them all, and you can add, you can kill as many animals you have tags for. So if you drew a tag, no problem already. That doesn't affect anything. It doesn't affect points. There's no non-resident, resident discrimination. If I got it roughly down. Yeah.

If you look back, it's been about 50-50 residents, non-residents, winning in the past. This is total separate from everything. So if you're in a waiting period, you're in. You can do it. If you already have tags in your pocket, you're still in. It's total separate. It's run by the Community Foundation. And the money raised by this is vital to our management of wildlife in Nevada. Last year when we needed a haul of water, I called up the DreamTag. We found out that they had sheep in trouble in the muddies and called up the DreamTag. And within an hour, they were dedicating money to the cause of flying water in. And it's just a great group and been very proactive in wildfire reseeding. And the money is well spent, cared for by a group outside the agency. And the agency has to apply for the project just like everybody else.

And it goes a long ways and does great things for wildlife in Nevada. But it's one great opportunity to get in the field. And the money is used by you guys. It's not like it's not accounted for. All the money is accounted for. Even though you're kind of applying for it and approving the projects, I mean, that's by design. You know, somebody like the Fraternity Desert Bighorn Sheep could take a project to them and do a project also. We do see some NGOs apply for funding. But all that funding is then, in turn, it works for the Nevada Department of Wildlife to do good things on landscape for wildlife. Right. Okay. Right on. And then there's also a resource enhancement stamp. It's no longer, it looks like it's no longer required. It's like a $10 stamp. But basically, it's just a way for a guy to give you a little bit more money, $10 more. That is correct.

It used to be a requirement that you had to buy the resource enhancement stamp to participate in the DreamTag. We took those two apart a few years back. It allows us to sell it through Calcami and allows it to be sold through the vendor that sells the DreamTag raffle tickets. And we don't have to combine those two systems. So we took them apart. But that money, that $10, does come straight to the agency. And we use it for seed purchases and other things. It's wildfire related also. Well used. Great. And so we've got, you're giving away through this DreamTag program, we're giving away one desert sheep, one California bighorn, one elk, one deer, one antelope, and one bear. One black bear. One black bear. And they can buy as many tickets as they want. And of course, we've got, is it a July 1st deadline? Yes. July 1st deadline. And the results usually come out about the 8th and 10th.

They turn the rider back around. And that gives people time to react to get into the field and make sure that they get that cold experience. And statewide, you just have to use a weapon and an open air. Okay. Sounds good. Well, we've been talking around. Things are looking good. I think elk will be great. Desert sheep. There's always some, always some incredible sheep out there. Of course, this guy last year, David, that we just talked to, smashed 173-incher and just had a phenomenal hunt. California bighorns. Like I say, elk. And then deer and antelope and black bear. You guys have some phenomenal black bear. Of course, you know, we don't talk about them a ton. We like antlers and horns. But, you know, you guys do have some giants. We have some of the biggest black bears around. And it's a very limited opportunity in Nevada. There's only 50 regular tags, five non-resident, 45 resident.

But we have a very healthy black bear population in around Reno and Tahoe that's ever-expanding. And we're very limited on takes. And it's a great opportunity for a fantastic animal. That's awesome. Okay. So anybody that's wanting to go grab some tickets, very easy to do. You go to shop.nvdreamtag.org. So shop.nvdreamtag.org. Super easy. Go on there. Grab some tickets. Check out. It's nice. It's a feel-good thing. It's not just buying tickets trying to win. Of course, we all want to be winners. But it's a great way to kind of give back and to support, you know, a good cause. And your money's going to be well used on top of the fact you might win. Who knows? If you're a member of Epic, you're probably going to win. Don't you think, Chris? Isn't that how it goes? I would hope so. All right. Anything else? What else you got? Somebody's going to win it. You might as well put in.

Every time I talk to the guys that win Silver State, Dream Tag, or PIW, they say, you know, I was just supporting wildlife. And I couldn't believe I won this thing. And that's been a common theme. Nobody expects to win. But somebody's going to win. You might as well get in the game. I agree 100%. You can't. One thing's for sure. You're not going to win if you're not in the hat. Definitely so. I'm already adding tickets. I'm going to add tickets right here because I've got it pulled up. I'm just going to grab some tickets. It's clicking away over here. Hey, I love spending a little money. Don't tell Jana. But anyway, all right, Jack. Anything fun going on? You battling any of the antis out there? How are things, everything okay that way? No. We just came out of a wildlife commission meeting last week. And on Friday, we went over the coyote call and contest debate.

That's going to be an ongoing issue for the foreseeable future commission meetings. But they're good, healthy discussions. And it does make people think and see how we manage wildlife. I think people need to be aware just to try to, even though they're coyotes and we want them all dead as hunters, I do. I'm talking about me, not necessarily you. But, you know, at the same time, there's probably a way to be respectful about it. And that's kind of, I think, what you're talking about. Definitely so. So it's going to be an ongoing discussion. And I'm sure we're going to learn a lot through the process. All right. Well, sounds good. I'm going to jump in. Of course, we encourage everybody else to jump in and support Endow and the DreamTag process there at shop.mvdreamtag.org. Grab you some tickets before July 1. July 1 is creeping up on us. A lot of different draw results coming out.

A lot of unsuccessfuls. I found out quite a few. I'm sure what? Yeah. Devin, you guys got a few unsuccessfuls, if I remember right. Uh-huh. A few more to come still, too. A few more to come. That's right. That's right. Just to clarify on the Nevada DreamTags, the actual deadline for that is June 30th at 1159 p.m. Pacific time. So get your tickets before then. All right. Like we talked about in the past, we only have so many chances in life. You've got to take every one you can. That's right. All right, Jack. Well, we appreciate always being available at the drop of a hat. Of course, we cold call you all the time. So we know we can rely on you. Yep. This time, luckily, I got a hands-free unit. I could turn around on the highway and get back to you. And luckily, a real quiet highway on Highway 50 is the loneliest highway in America. They say it's the loneliest highway in America.

But I don't know if I believe it. It's pretty lonely. I get pulled over every time. I get pulled over. I never found Highway 6. I get pulled over every time I travel. That's because you're the only car moving. They have to do something to keep them going.

Oh, man. All right. Sounds good. We'll talk to you later. All right. Talk to you guys later. I appreciate the call. You bet. All right. Bye. All right. All right. Well, Devin, weren't you going to come with a Nevada story? I was just thinking I'm glad he has hands-free because I got pulled over at the laundromat for talking on me. The laundromat. It's true. I had to go to the courthouse. Pay your ticket. Yeah. You did? Uh-huh. How much did they find you? Like $150. I was in the parking lot. Come on. That just spurred that little story. But I love Nevada. It's awesome. I do, too. It's my favorite state. You can get lost out there. You can hunt stuff by yourself. It's such a cool place. And you know what? There's big stuff everywhere. It's like, you don't know. There's big deer in almost every unit. And there's big antelope in every unit. Kind of crazy.

Well, Chris and I have spent more in our fair share of time out there chasing one or two bucks. I remember one stretch that was like 30 days straight. That sucked. Yeah, it did suck.

After Buster. Yeah. And Buster never showed back up. Yeah. Those were long days. August. August 10th to September 10th-ish.

Yeah, that deer lived. The only thing that could be better if there's no rattlesnakes. You know what's funny? The rattlesnakes, they hunt water like we do. So they're always congregate around water. So you walk up to a water, you're probably going to see one, you know, depending on the year. And then when you walk away, you usually don't see any unless you're next to water. It's true. Right? They got to hunt water. They got little rodents and everything else. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a huge fan of the snakes, but you just got to, what's the law of averages? I don't even know anybody's been bit. In fact, let's cold call somebody that's been bit. I'd like to talk to them and see how bad it hurt. I don't know if I can come up with somebody. I mean, seriously. Most people get bitter messing with them anyways. Yeah. Don't you, you know, somebody's got to get bit eventually. Yeah.

It'll probably be quieter. Well, let's come up with somebody. Jesus jigs me like that. I don't want that evil. Let's come up with somebody. Anybody out there that knows somebody that's been bit by a rattlesnake, hit me up at Jason at EpicOutdoors.com. I want to throw them on the podcast. I want to know. I'd love to hear it too. Yeah. What it felt like. I always figured if I was out there, I'd just sit under a tree and, well, this is it. No, you're not going to die. Send your final text message. Yeah. Devon, no, you're going to man up. That's my final in-reach that won't make it. It's good to hit the in-reach. You could have to buy unlimited messages. Just hit send, and then when your phone gets back into service a few days later, whatever, it'll go out. I want to talk to somebody that's been bit by a rattler.

I only know one person that has been bit, but it was just a girl from my hometown. She got bit on her back porch, but she went out barefoot. Her leg just swelled up, but she was fine. Did she even go into the hospital? They say you're supposed to kill the snake, take it in with you. I think she went in. Right? I don't think so. Yeah, you're supposed to. Yeah. I think they say don't touch the snake, just get out of there. Leave it alone. Okay, but I think you're supposed to. They want to know what kind it is to know which antivenom. Maybe take a photo. Yeah, like is it a Mojave green? You bit me. Now I'm going to take your picture. From Esquite country, or is it timber rattler? I guess it wouldn't matter, but what are the antivenoms? They're like 100 grand or something. Yeah, they're not cheap. Oh, yes. Yeah, I saw some article where it is. And the nearest one is in Salt Lake. Yes. Yeah.

I think there were, weren't they like three to five grand? No. Huh? Like 120,000. Come on. There was some internet breakdown about antivenoms. I heard like 40 grand, but oh, wow. It was pretty crazy. The cost. Chris is Googling over there. Let's see what he comes up with. I'm checking out this DreamTag right now. Jason's got his credit card out. I can read some numbers. Five bones on it. Why not? Huh? Why not? 170 plus desert? You've got one. Dude, I need another one. Never enough. For one hospital vial, the price is around 2,300. Okay. Typical treatment dose. That requires four to six vials. So, 2,300 times four to six. See, a lot better. What were we reading? I don't know. You guys were talking about like probably a Mojave Green or some. Probably something on Facebook. Everything's going true on there, I guess. What's the KSL article you sent me? Probably around 10 grand. Oh, whoa.

But there's a guy on here. He got bit in his total bill after everything. After like emergency, everything. 153,161. 25. But he probably was life flighted 14 different times. Maybe. Well, it's not like you're going to hop in your truck and drive from wherever. I've thought about it. To Salt Lake. I've wondered because I've hiked in 10 miles. What if you're hiked in 10 miles? You get bit. What are you going to do? You're supposed to breathe easy, calmly run out. Basically, let it run through your whole body instead of just your hand or whatever. Here's that guy's. Show the picture of that guy's bill. Are you looking at that same article there? Pharmacy, 83K. Yeah, 83. Laboratory services, 22K. 83, 341. Basically, they were just like, are you insured or not? If you're insured, we're going to get you. All right. Well, anyway, I've checked out of the DreamTag thing, so I'm good. I'm good.

I support them big time. Anyway. All right, guys. Is there anything else? You guys haven't been bit. Have we killed anything recently in Nevada? We should be. Ourselves? Running cameras right now. Yeah, it's about peak scouting season. Getting ready to go. I've got a bunch of cameras. How about you guys? Yeah, another thing you need is some decent tires. Oh, wait. You mean the P-rated tires didn't work for you? Another Nevada story here. Okay, so, Devin, this is my favorite. This is going back to high school. Usually, when you're in high school, you use and reuse and use and reuse, and you don't ever buy tires until you absolutely need them. We're married now, okay? Devin has a truck with P-rated tires, which is basically a passenger car. Right? They came, the one with the factory tires that came on your tender. Yeah, you can pop them with a twig if you...

And Devin, trying to get the most use he can out of them, orders them as he's leaving town to go to Nevada. And I'm like, this is going to be bad. How did it go down? Well, I ordered the good tires, but they came in the day. They came in at noon. Dude, I was gone at five. Right, five am or whatever. Yeah. It didn't work out. So, you took your little honey with you, and 14... I told her I said, this isn't going to be good. 14 packages of plugs. Used about half of them. An air compressor. As soon as we got as far away from any main area we could, we flipped around, because we couldn't go any farther. Flipped around and went about 50 yards, and she's just like, you hear that? Oh, no. It's about dark. You know? And she's thinking... Were you guys sleeping in the back of the truck? Oh, yeah. Tent caught, whatever. Whatever. She's thinking we're dead, you know? We're...

Plugged it seven or eight times? Did you? Seven or eight plugs. It was a lot of plugs.

You didn't use the spare yet. The other one had an issue. It was an easy plug. But, yeah, so then I'm thinking, okay, we got one with a big hole, another one with a small hole. We still got the spare. We just went to town. Because once you're down a spare, you're in trouble. Oh, big time. Yeah. I use 14 cans of Pixel Flats. I mean, think about it. Like, you usually don't have an air compressor that works really very, very good. By the way, I'm driving home from Page the other day. Dude, I look over, and there's a camp trailer, and there's a guy with a bicycle pump pumping up his camp trailer. First time I'd seen it, I was like, oh, that's a dual action. Bump, bump, bump, bump. Anyway, pretty funny. But, dude, it's true. You can't have enough air, and you can't have enough plugs. And you can't run those little compressors for more than about 10 minutes.

Because they will go bad, and then you're in. Yeah. So, you just, you know, I run, fix a flat. So, yeah, we got to camp about, it was probably, by the time I went to sleep, about 1230, when we got to the next place we wanted to be. All tires were pumped up. Kind of. Small leaks. Enough. Enough. Anyway, you got home, put on your Nitto Grapplers. It was a long drive for small results. Let's say that. And then what really ticks you off is how many hours and dollars, let's just call it, how many hours to get there? A lot. So, 15? 13? There and back? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then, you know, $500 bill. And you don't get to put out the cameras while you're there because you're dealing with wondering. It was good quality time. You guys had a great experience? But, you know, you've always wanted to bond with your trucks, and I think the time, you know, under duress. It's getting better. You've bonded?

Slowly. I don't ever want to bond with my vehicles. Chris, you've always bonded with my vehicles. I don't want to. It's like a horse. Chris, you know that. How many nights did you spend in that back of that tundra? A little 2,000 tundra. At least 30. There's a bond there. Even this Dodge, you've spent a lot of nights in the back of it. I have, yeah. You're married now. She's spent nights in the back of that. She has? Oh, yeah. Holy crap. Yeah, we get the bedrolls. You're going to feel bad when that one goes down the road. That truck? Yeah. Yeah. It's been a good one. Although, it was a lemon for the first half of its life. It was a lemon. It was a lemon at first. It really qualified under the lemon law, except for one day. One day. They messed with you. Yeah. One day. We were one day late. All right. Well, anybody out there with a good little Tacoma 2003, 4, 5, 6, somewhere in there, want

to give it away why it's looking to buy one? We're always looking for little runaround trucks. All right, guys. Anything else that we can talk about or call it? Huh? We're good? I think we're good. We're good. Okay. Sounds good, everybody. If you drew a tag, you need some help, let us know. Here at Epic Outdoors, we can help you find an outfitter. We can help you find other members who've drawn in the past, be able to give you a head start and a hand on what you've got going. So, anyway, we love visiting with members who've drawn tags. We've got a lot of you guys out there that are prepping for a great fall. We're out here scouting. We're working Monday through Thursday. Friday, we take off a little bit here and there. We're taking more time off, too, just because it's that time of year. That's what we do. We're out in the hills checking stuff out.

And even though it's a drought year, there's going to be plenty of good game out there. We're starting to check cameras. So, anyway, get out there and scout. If you need any optics, you need any cameras, we sell them. Give us a hauler, 435-263-0777. So, while we do sell all different types of optics, we do have some of these Fury HD 5000s, the AB, the 10x42s. They're coming in. We've got them on order. They've been on order for quite a while. We've had a few trickle in. What an incredible range-finding bino made by Vortex. Great price point. We're smoking them out here at Epic Outdoors. So, anyway, if you're interested, you might check those out on the web. They've got all the different specifications on there. And just an incredible piece of gear at a great price. So, anyway, if you're interested, give us a hauler at 435-263-0777. We're keeping a list of guys that are interested.

Like I say, we've got a bunch on back order. So, check them out. They're equipped with the applied ballistics technology. It's a program in there. Basically, you're going to range it. It's going to spit out a number, a value. You're going to dial to it and kill it. So, pretty awesome, pretty awesome bino. Devin, it's one of the better values that we have here at Epic Optics. Yeah, you touched on the price point. It's pretty hard to beat. For that technology and a binocular, it's awesome. Pretty awesome. So, call us. You can talk to Devin or I, Adam as well, any of the guys really here at Epic. And we'll throw you on the list. And as we get them in, we fulfill orders. So, anything you need, give us a hauler. But just wanted to touch on these Fury HD 5000s with the applied ballistics technology in them. Anyway, let us know if you need anything. And best of luck in the draws, everybody.

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