EP 257: Mule Deer, Mistakes and Stories from the Last Three Weeks

Anything to do with Western big game.

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Here we go. Hey, everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire Epic Outdoors crew. Well, pretty much the main guys, except for... Who? Well, Jana will take a major offense. You said guys. I know. Oh, we're good then. Guys. Got all the guys here. Got all the guys. No women, no children. Not very often this time of year. No, it's pretty rare. What is it? It's been like a month. What are we doing here? I don't know. Somehow we got off track. Because we should be trying to get tags in Nevada right now. Yeah. Well, somebody... Paul, let's see your hands. You got your phone? You logged in? Okay. He is. He's got his wife on it. No, she should be working. Let's call her. Elk and sheep tags. Be careful about the doe deer and cow elk. So anyway, it's been a while. Well, a lot of us, some of us got home from Colorado. Some of us been in Utah. What other states have we been... Nevada.

Devon smash and grab in freaking Nevada. I don't think a nine-day grind is a smash and grab. No, it doesn't count. I wouldn't call it that. And maybe I've heard that there was some warm barrels... Barrel during that hunt? A warm barrel? I love a warm barrel. So I don't know. It was a nine-day... If you can work the bolt real quick, you can heat it up pretty fast. It was a nine-day multiple shot, not a smash and grab. Right. What's the definition of a smash and grab? Yeah, like a gun barrel. A smash and grab is an antelope. You basically drive to a unit, start driving around, pound something, and leave quick. Yes. Like in a day and a half. Yes. Minimal effort in a smash and grab. There has been no smash and grabs, has there? No. Bronson? Not really. I hiked. I think a smash and grab means you don't leave the truck, kind of, right? If you're out of a truck, it doesn't qualify.

You've got to define it. It's not legal to hunt out of a truck in some states. You know what I mean. In some states. I don't know. You jump out, you walk your 51 feet from the shoulder, plop, put your shooting sticks down, and heat the barrel. Okay. I don't think that that's... I mean, I think that's more of a definition of a smash and grab. You can show... I can show up to a sheep hunt, hike in six to eight hours, and kill the sheep and get out the next day. That's not a smash and grab, because I was gone for 36 hours. So, which story are we going with first? I don't... Which smash and grab, non-smash and grab story are we going with? There's no smash and grabs, and I know you don't have one. I don't. But I have a new plan. I have a new plan. You know how excited I am? Okay, so let's just say we're 50 years old, which we're far from 50. But let's just say we were.

That's like minus, let's say, 15 years. It was your first 15 years, you're just, you're still crapping yellow, right? And so, let's just say, you know, you have 15 minus 50. That's 35 new plans. That's assuming you're going to live to 85. I'm as excited about my new plan as I've ever been. Okay. Is this when we're divulging a new plan? No. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. You have one, but you haven't figured it out yet. No, I know I'm going to have one, and I've been contemplating some things. May or may not have anything to do with mule deer because they're in a slump right now, and I'm sick and tired of it. I've got some pronghorn. No. It may involve something. Although that pronghorn that came in today, I'd freaking smash it. The theme governing my plan is going to be simplicity. Okay. Why don't you expound upon that? My life's been chaotic this year.

I've been ricocheting around I don't know how many states, provinces, and just trying to do everything and please everybody, take every family member. Really? I don't know anything about that. And I know you have too. No, no. I'm just saying you and I both. And no more pleasing any family members? Kids have killed enough? Not saying that. Ty doesn't need anything. I'm just saying that. I'm just saying. Simplicity. Simplicity. However I can get to that, I want a little bit less chaos in my fall. How about dance? Maybe a couple less dents. Sometimes dents happen. I used a truck harder than I used a truck. Roads have been greasy the last two weeks. And when it's that or walk out 20 miles, you're going to give it some gas. Well, what I think is funny is I didn't know all the dents occurred. I didn't know you were slammed up. I heard like 48 hours ago. Oh, well, in Colorado, right? Yeah.

And so on your way home, I'm like, hey, how did you do?

And by the way, I texted so-and-so and so-and-so. And you were like, what did you say? Didn't kill. Nothing big. On our way home. Headed home. That's it. Like, it was over. And I'm like, now I know why you were so short. I'm also voice dictation just driving if I wanted to be full disclosure. So I'm not going to tell you every- I thought it was which quarter panels were you going to be replacing. Maybe you were just a little bit frustrated. I just knew that the first morning I pulled into work, I'll be clear, you know how Colorado went when you saw my truck. So yeah, Colorado was interesting to say the least. There was, you know, I heard it put well from a good friend of ours, that maybe the average size and numbers was up. The numbers were up and the average size was up, but the top end was gone or wasn't there yet. But for second season, what do you expect, right? What do you think?

What was your take on it? Well, I was with my son and we were in a, I'll call it a good unit, not an elite unit, but just a good one. And we saw plenty of one to three-year-old bucks. We didn't see anything I thought was over at all. Normally, you know, back when the kids are 10, 12, 14- You're doing a smashing card. The smashing card. We were home and I was a hero to somebody else. No. But this went to the end. To the end. And I was zero to anybody. I was a zero to everybody. Couldn't guide my son and couldn't get home fast enough for my wife. So I was just like, I couldn't please anybody. Well, and I went, we did Jana's hunt for how long? Months, should we say? Months. Should we say months? Scouting and hunting and a couple of close encounters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And just didn't make it happen. And it, it lasted till the very end. And then tried to do a smash and grab. And now.

And this is also a multi-season. Be careful. On hers, yeah. What you wish for. Yeah. Never again. And not that we're going to hunt. She's going to hunt a lot. Just, just even me. Like, think about that. Do you want a premium? Yeah. Do you want to hunt every season in one? I like closure. Like, hey, you know the five-day thing in New Mexico? I'm a big fan of that. Because in five days you're done. Yeah. You can't hunt anymore legally. You got a real tight window. But when there's an open season from even Nevada. October 5th to November 5th. When do you start and finish? You don't show up opening day. You feel guilty. You go home on the 20th. You feel guilty. You know what I mean? So you're going to have 30 days. You're going to put 30 days in there. Multi-season. You've got a 28-day archery. Then you push it to the end. And all of a sudden you have less than five days. And it's over. Yeah.

That happens too. And we all know the last day is the best day. And what happened with you? Well, it was pretty much to the end. Well, then how close? Two days. Well, two days. But with weather. With weather. I was hours. Yeah. It was over. That night. The end of that day might have been your last full good day, honey. Yeah. I was in there the next day. And it was snow. Snow and sideways. Packed it out. So we went over. I took a couple of kids. And just went for a two-day smash and grab. Didn't smash anything. Did you grab? Didn't even grab anything. Grab lots of monsters. Did you smash? And Jenna's like, man, you got. So she's like, so I'll drink Diet Pepsi and Diet Coke and Monster. And she's like, you have lots of 12 packs of Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi. And I'm like, when things get really rough, that's the only enjoyment I have. It's the only thing going that's positive.

It gives you something new to think about. You pop the top. How cold is it? I mean, it's the only thing new to think about. You only take the first two drinks and then open a new one. Yeah. Because that first two drinks are the best. Oh, they're the best. And Coke's cheaper than water, so whatever. So anyway, that didn't happen. And then came back and then ran to Sean's hunt. He had the late muzzleloader hunt. And then that was a grind, too. It was good. He killed a nice buck and just had a good time. And it was awesome. It was nice. Finally, you had some pinned up aggression when that deer was all in trouble. Yeah, but I was calm. I was just like, you know. No, but I mean. Yeah. You had two other kids, women and children, literally, for weeks. Yeah. Pinned up. Weeks. I can't even explain it. I have never ground on a hunt like I did for Jana on my own.

When you say weeks, that could be an understatement. It could be an understatement. Literally. Well, if you add up. I mean, I was with my brother on part of. Yeah, you were. Yeah. For his rifle. Nine days. Yeah. But the amount of days that they spent there in the summer. Yeah. Which, a lot of it's learning a unit. A lot of it's running cameras. A lot of it's pulling cameras out. A lot of it's. The entire muzzle. You know. Yeah, the entire muzzle. And then the entire rifle. And it was a grind. Well, you were there, Bronson. We both thought one of us would kill and then would gang tackle and help the other one. Oh. We never saw each other the whole hunt. Never saw each other. Never. Like, I was just like, and Aaron's the awesomest guy ever. Like, he's just awesome. And you want to, like, and the ideal thing is no problem. Jan will kill the muzzle.

We'll help Aaron on the rifle and this and that. But anyway. There you have it. That's the way it works. And then you get guys like Wyatt to go down and do a smash and grab on day five. Yeah. It's the last day of the hunt. Day five. He smashed one. He's a hero. We're a zero. There we are. Yeah. I don't know that I quite call that a smash and grab. I was about seven miles from the truck.

Wyatt came back. So this is the funniest thing. Wyatt, you didn't hike that far every day. No way. Huh? We put in a lot of steps that day. My phone kept telling me my step count was way up. Way up is very relative with Wyatt. See? This is a little more than going down to the post office. Does your hand tell you step count? It does tell you. I'm sure. When Wyatt parks out in the gravel, his step count is up. I park in the gravel every day to get my step count up. So anyway. So anyway. Wyatt says, I said, well, what are you doing now? And he goes, well, quite frankly, I'm just happy to be right here in the office.

That New Mexico won't wore me out. Yeah. I was content after that. That's when you're glad it's a five-day hunt. Well, we had three days of bad weather, though, too. I mean, those first two days were 40-plus mile-an-hour winds, and those elk had just barely come out of the timber and just kind of hugged the edge of it. Weren't really being elk. And then the next day, we got six to eight inches of snow and kind of a tough day there. Had a few truck problems. Yeah. Got stuck. Ended up having to walk out and get rescued and couldn't get the rescue truck back up to the other truck.

Didn't you say, were you walking? Yeah, we had to walk out of there to get to the other truck. The guy came in. Luckily, there was a guy there in town that came and picked us up and drove us back to where we could get into my truck for the evening and hunt out of that. And then they ended up rescuing that truck the next day as I was hunting steel. So I got two really good days of elk hunting right after that storm kind of cleared out. Looked over. Handful of bulls. 30 bulls probably in those two days right there. A lot of bulls. Yeah, right at dark. Dude, two days, 30 bulls? That's a lot. I mean, that's where we need to go.

Minus the miles. They make BTXs for a reason. Oh, I know. I tried to tell them that. Did you take yours for that? I did have my BTX. Did you use it? No. I love it. No. He's threatened to sell that about five times. Looked like some thick country, too, not somewhere you're just locked. It was pretty thick, a lot more broken type country than I imagined. That last day, we ended up killing a bull. We got on a big ridge that ran miles and miles and miles and just kind of worked that ridge all the way down for the second half of the day, turning up a few bulls on it. We probably saw four or five bulls in that walk and ended up getting one about 20 minutes before dark that fit the bill. So what did you think? Killed it. This is your first time in this particular part of the state, but what did you think? I thought it was awesome. I mean, it was different than what I had imagined.

A lot thicker, probably. Probably a lot steeper, too, than what I kind of imagined. I imagined it would be more rolling than what it was. Yeah. So you were in the 16 unit, one of the subunits of 16 in the Gila, and just one of the better units in the state. It turned out awesome. You killed a great bull. Yeah. Got lucky. Had a great outfitter down there, too, with GT. Yeah. Had a good time. Yeah. So, Pollock, smash and grab? This is where we meet the definition of the thing. Pollock loves the smash and grab. From what I know. I can't wait to comment on one of the stories of his, but I'll say that. Continue, Pollock. I don't have anything too crazy, I guess, as far as that goes. What I think is funny is with Pollock, he doesn't want to go anywhere else now, ever. Why?

Hopes and dreams came true. Hopes and dreams. Women and children are ecstatic. Huh? Yeah. You had a son and your wife both have second season tags. Yeah, they did. Your son had basically told you what? If it has four points, it's going to hell. Yeah, if it was four points, he was dying. And he got warmed up here in Utah. He did. Yeah. Yeah. He killed a little buck here, and that freed up some room, I guess, for his trophy standards. But, yeah, so we went over there and, yeah, shoot by about 30 minutes of opening morning. First four point we saw, he had him dead, and that was exciting. It was always fun to see those guys. He's 13, so like you said. He's walking up to that, and he's just freaked out. Yeah. It was pretty fun. And then, yeah, the next. Is he wanting a pair of NL Pures yet?

It was pretty funny. So I was not that of the year and in the haste of trying to load everything because we had just, it was kind of one, you know how it's just like you guys were saying, it's from one thing to the next. You know, we were down there at Lake Powell and just finished up down there, helping some friends down there. And I got home and was in one day, thought I had a whole day, and then my wife informed me, no, actually, we're going to leave tonight. So she informed you. Yes, she wanted to go halfway. So I'm like, oh, geez. To Colorado? Yeah. And we're leaving at five. Do you even wear one leg of the pants? No. I'm just lucky to invite me. I'm thinking, no, we're going to go when I'm daggum good and ready. I'm the dad, and I've been crushed. I was going to be ready by five. And so as the so-called guide, I guess I had to be ready by five. So I had a lot less time.

In that haste, I didn't. You know, families don't tip well either. No. But anyway, keep going. No, I didn't get his binoculars put in. So he actually, he was the holder of the Pures down there. No kidding? Oh, yeah. That's awesome. He's convinced he needs a pair now. Because they're a lot better than the binos he has. Did you tell him there's lawns that need to be mowed? Yeah. I mean, trust me, this might be the best deal you've ever made. Oh, yeah, it could be. The comment I'd like to make is after Josh then tells the second half of their hunting story about his wife's butt. Then I'd like to say a few words. Okay, we're going to reserve a spot for Adam. It was exciting. It was good. On the way down there, we had a good frank talk. Oh, what do you mean? A family meeting? Yeah, a little bit, if you will.

Rearrange the job chart. My patience had gotten quite thin. Before you'd even got there? Yeah, just from activities from future hunts with certain folks in my family, you know. I'm just like, okay, when I tell you to be ready, that means you're out of the truck, you're out of the thing, like the gun's out of the case. There needs to be a bullet in the gun, and it needs to be off safety. Those are the three. When I tell you to get ready, that's what that means. Bullet in the chamber. Yes. And off safety. Yes. When you're out. When you're out and on the gun. Yeah, that means the only thing you have to do is pull the trigger when you feel comfortable. That's what, when I say get ready, that's what that means. Because there was some issues with that definition several times. Call it miscommunications? Yeah, and none of it was my fault, I'm sure. Well, Jan and I had one miscommunication.

Go ahead. We'll call her in a minute. Remind her. No. We should call her. No. No. It's a little too fresh. What do they say, too soon? It's too soon. I'm going to be like, intervention. Yeah. Media. Media. Not a good idea. Yeah. So we were down there and just kind of going to a place. We were actually trying to look for a good spot to hike the next morning. Ran into this buck. And I didn't get, he just jumped. He just, he was bedded right there. And he jumped up. And I saw him just for a split second. And I could tell in my mind, I thought, that's a 30-inch deer. So I just said, shoot that deer. And I didn't know what was going on behind me. She was in the side-by-side in the back seat. And I just heard a lot of commotion, all kinds of things. And I was talking to her. And I was trying to say, oh, he's probably going to be about 200 yards. And he had turned. And he was still trotting.

I was like, there's no way. With previous encounters and things like this. Experience. Experience told you this deer is going to keep walking. Yeah. He's good to go. This deer is going to breed forever.

He's good to go. Whatever. And waka. And draws. Waka.

She crushed him. She crushed him. I turned around fully. Yeah. Fully thinking she'd shot from the hip or something. Because it was fast. I was really impressed. Because in Colorado, side-by-side, it has to be in a case. Unloaded. All that stuff. And somehow she had managed to get it out of the case. Uncased. Zipped out of the case. On the bipod. Get a find a bullet. Bullet. In the chamber. Off safety. Off-handed it. She didn't have time. Come on. So this is where I want to talk. She off-handed it? Yes. This is where I want to talk about. Okay. Bronson, you got the floor. He doesn't even have an ankle in the pants. Let alone one leg. His wife can get out. He doesn't even own a pair of pants. He doesn't even own a pair. If I was Pollock sleeping in my house. If I was him. Sleeping in Pollock's own house. Yep. With that woman that jumped out and took care of business.

Off-handed deer running it to her. You would sleep with one eye open. I would be scared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I'm going to say. Have you. Have you. I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. Redone. I've tried to play it off like it's nothing. Like she didn't do anything special. You are scared. Well, yeah, you got to. Otherwise she. Who am I. Yeah. Who am I. It's like movies made of this. Remember where the people like all of a sudden. What are the movies? I'm like, you know, somebody kicks in. I've been listening to the HLN. I know. Hey, hey. The murder stuff on satellite radio. It's legit, dude. Well, I've had a lot of windshield time. This is how I'm writing your answer. Hey, hey. If you want to feel a little bit better about your life, pop a monster and listen to the murder stories. There was one in Swatch. Yeah. It spoke to me. I mean, I've had it there. I know these people.

You've stayed in that motel. One too many times. Yeah. All right. So anyway, Pollock. No, it was good. Offhanded it? Yeah. And it was 200 yards. And the only thing she said, she says, I just told myself I couldn't shoot in the butt because then I'd get yelled at. Which I wasn't going to do that. Oh, you're a jerk. So she held just above the white spot and rolled him. No kidding. And then there was a point of nervousness for me. I was like, I don't even know what this deer is. I hope it's a buck. Did she shoot the right one? Yeah, there was only one luckily. But he was heavy and wide, and that's all I knew. Anyway, so there was a little bit of nervousness too, I guess, after watching such a scene occur. I'm like, I hope it's the least. I hope she's happy. By the way, take the next one out of the chamber. He's dead. Why don't you have me the gun? Take all the bullets out of the gun.

Leave the gun over there. All right, kids, give me your bullets. Yeah. So it was cool. He was an old buck. I mean, he's one of those deer you walk up to and say, geez, that thing's got to be 300 pounds. I mean, he was fat. Heavy. He was a 7, 8-plus-year-old deer. You know, his teeth were really worn. Just an old, heavy sucker. And the biggest deer she'd ever killed, so she was ecstatic. And she wanted to take care of it herself, so she was awesome. You want to quarter? Absolutely. I sat back and held the toes. I would have taken some video, jawed with the kids. Yeah. Did she put her scrubs on to take care of it? No, she didn't put gloves on. I was impressed. You don't want to mess with her, dude. Yeah. So it was hard. If you're listening to this, I think you're awesome.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry you have to deal with Josh. We get him 8 to 10 hours a day. We do a little bit about what you go through. She gets him the other 14 hours a day plus weekends. No, thank you. Exactly. It's a lot. It's a lot. So it was a good trip. So within, yeah, two days, we were done. Smashed two of them. On the way home. And then you were going to hunt elk a little bit. Yeah, we tried that. That lasted a while. Three hours, three and a half hours. I was morning hunting. I was morning hunting. And my son's like, this sucks. Well, he just seen two deer roll in two days. You know, I'm a deer hunter, Dad. I'm really a deer hunter.

Yeah. So anyway, we beat the storms home. Oh, man. Good stuff. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. I'd call that a smash and grab. Yeah, it's the closest thing anybody has to that. It pretty much was. In the last month. We were pretty lucky. I don't know, Bronson. You made a speed trip to Idaho. Okay, we'll call it a speed trip. Let's call it. You drove all night. Yeah. That night, I reluctantly hit you, and you're like, ah. All done. Where was I? I don't know. You didn't tell me. What day of the week was that? Some things you don't ask. I was heading up there, wasn't I? Yeah, you were heading up. Well, you said it was after Aaron's hunt. It was like 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, and you didn't want Aaron to feel like he was rushed. And so you didn't even tell him you had this tag. I did. And the tag ends in two days. It ends in two days.

And so I asked Aaron, I said, well, is Adam on his way to Idaho? What are you? No. Why would he go to Idaho? I'm like, because he's got a tag that ends on. I think he's hunting wolves. Yeah. And he's like, he does? Oh, no. He ain't going up there. I hit you. Dude, you'll never believe it. I'm on my way to Idaho.

Well, it was the perfect storm. My wife and kids were out of town for that day. And so I'm like, I only have two days. So what's wrong with sitting home and watching whatever TV show you want? I've been gone for 15 or 16 straight days at that point. And so what's one more day? They're not even home. So I might as well hunt the next day when they're not there. And then the next day, when they are, I'll hunt that day and drive home. Yeah. Well, so that's what happened. So you made a speed trip? And I was ready, kind of like you, Sean, after. Oh, yeah. You're ready to shoot some. You're ready to get a bad taste out of your mouth. Because we had just hunted for eight and a half days or whatever it was. And, man, it was a grind. Saw nothing that even. Well, he put a bullet in the chamber. Because you're tracking bucks down there at some point. You don't know what you're about to jump.

Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah. But that doesn't count as almost shooting a deer. And I don't thought, he wasn't even that picky. Like, it wasn't like you were looking for the biggest thing on the unit. You know, he's pretty picky, but it's not. Old deer, 185 plus or something is going to probably die. Yeah. It was just a tough year. In some areas, and we all get to watch Instagram, right? In some areas, I mean, you're seeing the highlight reel. And the highlight reel's awesome. Always is. Always will be. But you kind of feel like you're the only guy that's not killed one. You know what I mean? After a while. And you realize there's some units that were just flat tough. And then there's some units that were awesome. Well. A few of the best units were awesome. Speaking of. Yeah. I haven't. So, I don't. I have. That's why I act surprised when you guys talk about this and that.

Because I haven't even looked since. Social media? Yeah. Like three weeks. Wyatt's the best.

Josh is second best. When you have Buck and Duncan, you don't need anybody else. We like to tease these guys. It's not because you feel bad about yourself. But it's just, man, when you're. You can get behind. You can get so far behind. How do you catch up during the hunt? So, you're on your way to Idaho. You. By daylight. Did you make it by daylight? Well, one in the morning I got there. And? Reclined my seat in the truck until about 530 or 6. And unloaded the side by side. Went for a ride up on a high ridge. And started glassing. Really? And saw some bucks that, you know, weren't that good. And then I ended up a little bit later in the morning. Saw this buck. It just. It was really cold. You know. It's hard to call them heat waves. They're the cold waves. You know what I mean? It's the opposite. The closer you get to the ground. Or if you're on a window mount. I just.

The heat from the truck. Neither. I was out in.

Unobscured air. What do you mean? Looking across the canyon two miles. So. So. So. So. But. They still had a big frame. Big. Airy white frame. Tall. But I. I just couldn't see. I could still have big backs. But I thought. I think he's just got singles. And I think he's a three point. But you never know. Right. Get over there. He's got cheaters. And who knows. Basal points. You killed one of basal points. Yeah. Who knows what he's got. If he's got a cheater. It got 11 o'clock. Or 1130. And. You know. I'm like. Well. I'm done. I'm going to at least drive down.

There. Went on there. Got lunch. Whatever. Loaded my pack. It was. It probably took me. Two hours. To get over there. And then it was. You know. One. One thirty. And I couldn't. Ever find him. I could find all the little groups of deer. That he'd kind of. Left. But. You know. It's the middle of the day. They're probably just laying down. So probably. Three. Three. Four o'clock. Off the back side. I glassed up a single doe. Down in this scrub. Aspen. She's only like. Three or fifty yards. I'm like. Oh. He's. He's right. He's right here. So I figured. As soon as she gets up. He'll puppy dog it around. Well. She got fed. Nothing. And. Nothing. It's getting dark. It's like. You know. Thirty minutes. Forty five minutes. Four o'clock. She stands up. Walks back up through the saddle. That she came over. And she's alone. I'm like. This freaking thing. Left her during the day. He's not.

He's not back here. Yeah. So I'm like. Well. I got to start. Gathering up. So yeah. I started hiking. Back. And. There was one little group of seven does. With a little. Three. Four. Something that. That I. That I'd left. You know. Had to walk past. To get over to look in this back canyon. When I got back. Where I could see him. I just pulled up my binos. He's standing right in the middle of him. Like right with those seven. Big old backs. And I'm like. Crap. So I. I put my scope. And everything away. Because. You know. I got it all out. What do you mean? My spotting scope. Like it's over. You're going to kill him. It's in my back. No. Oh. You're just gritting it out. Yeah. Getting it out. I'm like. I got to get it back out. See. What is this thing? And. He. Yeah. Impressed me a little bit more. Big. Wide frame. He had a. He was just a three on one side. Which.

That's like the third buck in a row. In a row that I have shot. This is a three by four frame. I've got that problem right now. Apparently. Wow. But. Anyway. I'm like. Well. And I thought he had a two or three inch in line. But it was. The sun had just barely gone down. So I. I had 30 minutes. I had 30 minutes here. So I throw all my crap back in my pack. It's over. When you do that. It's over. And I'm like. I got to cut the distance. He's 1100 yards or something like that. I'll look. I'll look again. Look a little closer. I'll get closer. I run off. I run off the hill. Left my. I think we were talking about. This. I left my tripod adapter. Which is the first one I ever had. Weren't we just talking about that? Air loop stuff. I like that stuff. It's gone. I know where I'm curious. I would go get it. I mean. I've got some of the first. Right? The first stuff. It's the first one.

They ever made. I had them with my 15s. Yeah. 15, 20 years ago. Now you're using them with the Pures. Well yeah. And now I have to get a new one. And the new one though. Is little and lighter. So. That's what I tell myself. Yeah. You upgraded. I've got all the abuse. You upgraded. Anyway. We'll cut you a deal. I had one at my house. Oh. For this occasion. Well anyway. I knew. I always had one. Its days were numbered. Well you just know. If you ever lose one. I always take one on hunts. Yeah. Because if you ever lose that. You're done. I take extra stuff. Way too much. And it's been in the box for five years. But anyway. So anyway. So anyway. Yeah. Crested the ridge. I thought. Did think. The thought did cross my mind. It's going to be a long night. I just. You know. Do I really want this? Do I. Do I really. Yeah. Do I really want to go through this year? Been up all night.

I'm probably going to have to. Yeah. Pack part of him out tomorrow. But anyway. Those thoughts were fleeting. Yeah. And. Proned out. Got 480 and dropped him.

So. And it was a long night. Getting back. You know. 1130 or so. So he didn't have the inline. But he's still. Big. Big. 4x3. Like 28 and a half wide. Boxy. Dang. Just a cool buck. And for what I had to do. Had the next day. It was the last day I see. Summer sausage. The whole thing. Are you going to feed the family steaks? Or what are you doing with it? I haven't decided yet. Yeah. But. I know. We just got a picture. And I was like. I don't even know where this is from. Or where this is at. I didn't even know Adam had a deer tag currently. I thought it was a Utah deer. How long have we all been gone from each other? Months. Yeah. A long time. Months. I was gone long enough that the rats felt comfortable. They ate the entire. They ate all the wiring in my four-wheeler. I need a new wiring harness. Wow. It doesn't run right. And then the fan comes on nonstop. Well, I took it all apart.

You know when you take them apart after those rivets. Those plastic rivets have been oxidized for so long. You just rip them out and break them. And I've got pieces everywhere. Plastic pieces. And I'm looking at it. And there's a. What do they call it? A thermal. Like a thermal coupler. A thermal sensor. Whatever. Tells the computer how hot the antifreeze is and whatnot. And when the fan needs to kick on. And the wires are just cut right off. Nibbled. Nibbled off. Not clean. And then it doesn't run right. And I'm like. Yeah. So I call the dealer. She said. Ah. We don't sell just that. You know. It needs a whole wiring harness. And he says. By the way. That wouldn't make the bike run rough. There's other things he's chewed. You know. And I'm like. Yeah. So I start setting traps. I crush them. I'm so tired of it. I'm so sick and tired. I had. There were some bad experiences this year.

That I'm not going to talk about on the podcast. But anyway. I've got to drop my bike off. Get me all my wiring. And I could do it. And I might. But I probably won't.

Don't kid us. That's way far from. Don't kid us. My area of expertise. So anyway. Well. If you plan to use it in the near future. Get it fixed. Yeah. Because it can haunt you. So. On that Archibald. You were. You knew you needed new tires. For how long? John's laughing. I've just. How long. I've been waiting for this story. How long did you need new tires. Before you ended up buying them up there? I remember Devin telling me. He's like. Man. These tires. I got so bald. But I started putting plugs in. And it was like new tread. It was like. Little rubber tire chains on. With all the plugs. My biggest. I did that. And I waited in Arizona. And I had 12 plugs in this one tire. Finally. I had to go get new tires down. And plugs down. You know what I mean? Because we want to get the most out of them. Yeah. So tell us about. Getting the most out of your tires. I popped it in Arizona. Like.

I am parched. Dead. My hardest day. I get to the side by side. And go to drive. And I'm like. I'm like. That ain't good. Sure enough. Flat. Plug it. Go to pump it up. That's like Bronson doing it. Racing trains on the train track. Remember that? Not the same feel. You don't want to talk about it? Okay. We'll move on. Go ahead. Devin. Anyway. Yeah. It was bad. So the last thing I told John when I left. Was. I got to go. Okay. I got to start over. I left my side by side on the other end of the state. Because I was going to Colorado here in a couple days. Okay. Makes sense. And this was. With family. With family. Okay. My wife killed a buck over there. So. That was awesome. You don't have to be 100% transparent on podcasts if you don't want to be. Like if you don't want to tell the truth you don't have to. No. This is the truth. I don't care. I don't care less.

I think there's a lot of people that like to try to put X's and O's together. Fring it out. Where stuff's dying. We killed a buck in Utah with my wife. Okay. She was awesome. Where in Utah? Over by a place called Wellington. Okay. Which is where I left my side by side. Okay. Makes sense. So she kills this buck. It was awesome. She smashed it. I was so proud of her. Now I have nothing. For literally almost three and a half weeks. No. You have no tax. I have nothing to do. You have nothing. Until Colorado 3rd. Until Colorado 3rd. Anyways. You even bought a puppy to try and fill the time. You did? Yeah. He bought a dog. What have I missed? Dude. We're parents. Well. I think the freaking monster dude. What is it? He almost cost me a tag. What is it? A bull mastiff? No. It's a mini. It's a doodle. Burn a doodle. It's a doodle. What? It's a. Yeah. It's a doodle. It's like. It's like. It's like.

I don't know. It's like. St. Bernard. I just want to know. Were your NL peers more or less than this dog? The thing was free. Oh. You lucked out. Okay. So she kills her. But it's worth good money. Yeah. We go to my aunt's house. Send him down. Say hi. Talk to my grandpa. Everybody wants to see her buck. She's excited. Yeah. And she breeds these dogs. Who? And I. Your aunt? I'm walking in. And I see this puppy. And I'm like. Hey. Don't. Don't let Miranda see that. I go in their house. She's got like three of them in her lap. I'm like. Oh. The runt. The runt just is like. Honor. Honor. Honor. So anyways. Yeah. We got a dog. That kind of superseded her. We got a runt. The deer. Hey. If that saves you. From having 14 children. It's helped. That'll save you a lot of money. So some things.

We are so off track here. Let's get back to hunting topics. Yeah. And now we're. Now we're wondering. When you guys are going to start families. I'm bored out of my mind. Wyatt's telling me to watch Nevada. First time. First serve. I have watched that for so long. It's the biggest waste of time. This year's changed. It's. Yeah. I'm just not feeling it. Yeah. And Wyatt starts hollering. That morning. Yeah. About 10 minutes after I told him. One of your favorite units. That what? Tags are coming up. And I'm just sick. There it is. Yeah. There it was. And I'm just sick. You missed it. I still didn't log in. 20 minutes goes by. Wyatt goes. There's another one. Again? There was twice. It was like your false alarm, but real. When you've been yelling at false alarms to Devin. What false alarm? Oh. Yeah. This was real, though. But this was legit. So anyways. Wyatt kind of lit a fire under me.

Because the second time I missed one, I wasn't watching. I was kind of ticked. And then you're like, I'm getting one of these. Then I said, okay, if there's been that many, I am going to get one of these. And I dedicated a lot of time. Okay. So you logged in. A couple days later. Yeah. Every day after work. Even when your wife kind of dozed off at night, right? Oh, she was dead asleep. The dog's attacking me. And you're over there clicking. Yeah. Watching. Just watching. Ready to click. Almost 10 o'clock at night. At night? Yeah. Laying in bed. Bang. I got it. I was late in Nevada. I was asleep in a tent in New Mexico. I get a phone call. March a ball. They look at Wade. And I'm like, he's got the tag. Answer it. I got it. I had to go outside to talk to you. I did. I had to go out in the garage. I didn't sleep all night. That's awesome. I remember that. And I couldn't leave.

The season was going. I couldn't leave because I couldn't get my tag until Monday or whenever. But I didn't leave until like Tuesday. Yeah. And it's one of those things. I mean, you know the last day is the best day. Oh, yeah. I know. I probably even went too early to begin with. But so I have to go. My point is I have to go across the state to get my bike. And I already called the dealership and said, do you have tires? And what's the last thing I told you when I left? You said I'm going to have tire problems. I got to buy new tires. Yeah. So I'm driving hours. And by the time I got up there, I thought. I'll make it. I thought, you know, I'm not. I've got a compressor. I'm either burning half a day of hunting to get these tires or I'm just going to go for it. And I just went for it. How'd that go? How'd that go for you? Well, they held for. I plugged the first hole.

And then after that, the gas just got too big. All of a sudden, I'm going along and it's. And I'm like, man, there's five plugs in there. Like this thing ain't leaking. There's another hole. So there's two holes. And that was Thursday. It got me through Friday. And then I called. Yeah. It got me through the weekend. Jeez. And then it was about every 15 minutes I had to pump the thing up. It was a nightmare. Jeez. Jeez. That reminds me of once I put some. Then you had to order them. Then I had to order them, drive, you know, two hours to the town in the middle of my hunt. So it burned half a day anyways, middle of the day. Jeez. So anyways, other than that, it was. Yeah. It was fine. Let's fast forward to the following Thursday and how that day started out for you. So this was. How do you guys know these days? I'm so lost with days. I don't even know what day today is.

I had to call and tell someone what happened to me. He called me multiple times this day to tell me what was going on. And we're going to start before daylight. Before daylight. I'm up. I already know I'm going to this place. I've prepared myself. My lunch is made. It's snowed four inches. It's going to be the best day of hunting ever. Partly cloudy. It's a deer hunter's dream. You're going to kill it. I'm going to kill today. I am going to kill Thursday. I knew it. So I'm up early. I'm spry. And this is 70 miles pulling a side-by-side and then another 15, 20. On the side-by-side. On the side-by-side. What's funny is how did we ever hunt without side-by-sides? We beat the crap out of our little trucks. And four-wheeler's. Bronson. How about the old rancher? How about the old rancher on the Henry's that you didn't even have no suspension, the mono shot? Well, I had a mono.

I wrote that on your Arizona. Oh, you did. It was negative seven. Yeah. Yeah. For like 40 miles. If you told me it was negative seven, I ain't leaving the truck. It probably might. I don't care. I don't know what it was. You were on a four-wheeler, too. I'm not leaving the truck if it's negative seven in Gunnison. We were on four-wheelers, both of us. We had to stop and warm up our hands. I don't care if you had hand-levers or not. Remember, though, after that, I started driving the truck. Yeah, we were all locked up a little younger, too. Ruined the rear end. Yeah. So I don't want to stop. Keep going. Anyways, it is going to be the day. I just know it. You just know it. It's perfect. You're driving 50. So I'm driving. I'm flying, going to be the day. Flying, Archibald? Yeah, I was flying. I was excited. He's got new skins. He's still under the speed limit.

He's still under the speed limit. Well, I'm in my truck. Oh. Flying. Anyways, it's a long ways. I don't know. It's two hours in the dark. I'm still trying to picture Archibald flying. Going faster than normal. All right. I like it. I like it. So I get there. The sun's bright. Just gray light. It's perfect, right? I got it timed. Unloading your side-by-side. I get all my puffies on. I look like, you know, I mean, it's truck's in it. It's eight degrees. You're even sweating, maybe, because you're getting around. You're walking around, around, around, undoing. Walking around, load my stuff. Yeah. Undoing straps. Throw the. I got two ramps under my side-by-side. Grab. Undo the straps. Grab the first ramp. Go to grip the second ramp. And I reach under there, and there's nothing there. No ramp. This is the part where I have one frickin' ramp. That's when you gun it. I thought about it. You do.

You put it in reverse, and you gun it, and you just hold it. I thought about it. There was a ditch. And then I thought, then I got to get the thing back up there. Yeah. It's kind of harder to gun it to get it in. Yeah. So now you're in the truck. So now I'm stuck. Well, there's no way you're going. And the possibility of ramp being gone. You're not getting a truck to where I wanted to go. So you didn't? You didn't? I loaded up. And what? And I was kind of upset, right? Well, this is how. So I wasn't in my right state of mind. I was pissed. So you got to backtrack, find out where it fell out. And I was 120 miles the night before. So you backtracked the 50 and didn't find it. I found it at mile like 45. That morning it had fallen out? So here's the thing. I leave, and I pass these two ranch hands that I've met before. I've seen them around. They live out there. I wave them down.

I'm like, did you see a four-wheeler ramp? And they're like, no. Just take a winch and lift it up. Okay, so I go, and I have to take a little break in between the drive, and I'm checking my straps, and I'm like, it'd be just my luck. The other one's missing. I look under there. It's gone. What the? This is the stuff I've been waiting for. Like, what the heck? Dude, I was. On the Mule Deer Hunter's dream. It's perfect. The sun's peeking out. It's just. Bronson. Everything's white. No wins. So hold on. No wins. I want to say one thing before you keep going. Bronson, you have a Mule Deer Hunter's dream in Colorado you told me about. Where? And I think the gun was locked in the truck. You told me about it. You told me. I don't want to talk about it. I want to go back to that story after this, because this is the only. Those are the two rival stories. I don't want to talk about it.

I vow you a friendship that I have more. Because. You told me. You told me. And it's stuck in my mind. And I know this guy listens to the podcast. I don't want to talk about it, because I like him. He's my friend. Well, don't talk bad about him. Just say accidents happen. I think the scab is. He left. Fully healed. He locked your gun in the truck. And the keys. My gun. And the keys were. He had his. And the keys were in the truck or whatever. And my gun's in the truck. And it's the Mule Deer Hunter's dream. Fourth season. Okay. Okay. So let's go back to that. So anyways. At this point, I know I've got a ramp behind me. 40, 20, 20 something miles. Yeah. I have another ramp between 80 and 100. I don't even know. So I'm rampless. You've got to stop and get gas. I just drove. You've got to go get gas to go find these ramps. Oh, I pulled in on fumes. Trust me.

So at this point, I'm like, well, I don't need to drag this side by side. So I park it. Get in my truck. And I'm flying. 40 something miles. There it is. Middle of the road. Pavement. Middle of gravel. On gravel. And I thought for sure I had lost it the night before, which is, it's so far. 80 miles. 80 miles. Miracle. So this was, this is that morning's. Now you know the other ones the other way. Yeah. I'm thinking it's right where I left it. Like where I. Yeah. Didn't hook. And then I'm like, oh my gosh. And I left it. So anyways. You went back? I throw it in the truck. I fly back. Get my side by side. I go all the way to where I unloaded. Gone. No side. No ramp. Oh. Somebody found it. And I could see just right where I left. Somebody hit the brakes. And there's some foot traps. And they throw it in. Yeah. So I'm like, no way. Those. They. I know these guys. They found it.

They had to look. Oh, it's the farmers. Yeah, dude. So I'm flying out. And they thought they're doing you a favor by going to bring it to you. Yes. Yes. And you're wishing they'd have left it there. I'm like, you guys. Why didn't. Why didn't you leave it? And they're like, because we were bringing it to you. Yeah. You told me. They thought I was going to be somewhere else. Because they were going down that way the next day. This story is so much better than not. So I go to another ranch. Where I track them through the snow. Mind you, these are virgin roads. You tracked them down. Nobody's driven on this snow. Hey, you have my ramp. I've tracked you down. There they are. Coming out. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, we got it. You're like. No shit. And you're like, here's a $100 bill. Thank you. And you've already spent $300 to go find the other one. I have 100 miles left on my tank now. I mean, I'm.

Oh. So anyways. You're getting ready to siphon out of the tank. I throw that in the back of the truck. Because I don't trust the pins anymore. They're rattling loose. They're kind of curved now. Well, and Nevada roads. I mean. Washboards, man. Oh, yeah. It had to have popped it. Anyways. So you get back and unload the side-by-side. I feel like. It's a miracle now. It's so perfect. It's a miracle. It's 10 a.m. Yeah. I get all the way up there. And it's just. The mountain. I could see it. It's black. And it just. Comes over. Snowing. Fog. Can't. Miserable wind. I missed my window, man. I mean. I was just. Cost you a 200-inch. Maybe. I don't know. 210. So anyways. Long story short. A 190 frame. With 30 inches of trash.

35-inch 8x8 triple-eye guards. I don't know. Could have been something special. I fight through wind and fog. You're going for it though. But you're re-energized. Yeah. And you're ready to go. You're salvaging the day. It is so freaking cold and windy. And all the. I see one two-point all day. Bedded. That's when I pop a Diet Coke. Well, I try. I'm starving. So I go to eat lunch. I find this old mountain dude that had been rattling around in the back. And I'm like, yes. I don't just have to drink water. Ice. It's frozen solid. So I go to a Gatorade. It's a block. I had nothing. No fluid. It's so cold. So anyways. These were in your cooler. Yes. Anyways. Whatever. There I was. Those days are just. And you just. Yeah. It was rough. What next? Is what you were telling me. Nothing. It gets better after here. It could have broke a lease. The clouds start to lift. And I'm just.

I'm hunting the bottoms. Because it's so windy. And I glassed up about four does. Glossed up another buck. Bedded above him about 300 yards. Nice buck. Big basis. Heavy. Just not. Where were you at again? I didn't want to shoot him. Middle of frickin' nowhere. Okay. Okay. Anyways. And I'm thinking. Why is this buck so far from the does? You know. And. Tried to get out of the wind behind a rock. And I look up. And there's two deer. And just a stud standing there rutting the doe. So. Yeah. Yeah. The rest is history. No. It's not. No. It's not. Because I don't think. I thought he had to use the barrel to warm himself.

Josh is coming into a new segment. It wasn't that bad. I've had much worse. Wait. The tires are still holding. Oh. They're brand new. Dude. I had to go over to town. Okay. So. He got those a week ago. You're all done. Yeah. Tires are fine. No problem. I'm golden now. Yeah. Yeah. This is what I meant about new skins. But. It wasn't on the truck. But side by side is. Yes. You just smash it and drive it. However you want. Yeah. I'm golden. Okay. So. Anyways. I think I have all the time in the world. I set up the phone scope. I verify him. I'm like. Oh yeah. This is a buck I want to shoot. And. These are video clips. So there's video clips. Oh there's video. To prove the. I can show you some. I want to see some stuff. Some shoot. I want to see it. Well. He's up there. It's only 400 something yards. But it's like. Major wind. So I was like. You know. I get my ride. I'm taking my time.

And all of a sudden. He just kind of. Looks around. And he just starts walking. And you're like. I need to finish this. He's gone. Oh. I had time. If I. You know. You're sick. Yeah. He's gone. I'd like to just hear the audio. With these videos. I don't necessarily. There's a lot of rolling around. And zippers. Zip. Zip. I like some of the audio. Yeah. Because you got to rearrange. Dial. Rerange. Dial. Rerange. Dial. That's what I was doing. Sean. I tried to video the kill. And by the time he decided. To kill. It sucked. Oh. It sucked. The doe's left. He's leaving. And other bucks leaving. Anyway. Keep going. Anyways. He. It's like 10 minutes. I can't even see him. And it's super thick in these boxes. Because of the fog? No. He just left. Oh. He just started walking down. And so. So I'm trying to pick him up. And I'm kind of mad now. Because I'm like.

If I wouldn't have set up the phone scope. Or the. Got greedy. I got greedy. I thought I had. All the time in the world. Pristine kill scene. Yeah. You're going to be a hero. He's gone. You're a zero. All of a sudden. I catch movement. Literally. Right below me. 110. 10, 20 yards. And he's just cruising. Through this mahogany.

And I'm a mess dude. I don't know what was. I was going to shoot prone. Off end. I grabbed my rifle. Well Josh's wife did it at 200. Yes she did. I did. Okay. Well anyway. I grabbed my rifle. And now I got to fix the turret. And now he's in the thick. And I go to put. Sometimes all of this extra stuff. Just slows you down. It does. You got a range finder. You got. I have a little chair. I sit on my chair. And I put the. I got him in the scope. And I put my. My. Gun on the. Handle. Of my tripod. As soon as I see him in the scope. Thump. It just drops down. The leg wasn't tight. No that. Yeah. Post. The post. So my handle went down. Oh. And now he's gone again. In the thick. Cruising. I can't. I pick him up. And he's going so fast. I think he heard me. He was going so fast. I thought this is it. And I mean. I'm picking gaps. And bam. I must have sailed it right over him. He takes off.

Disappears. For about 20 minutes. He hit. And then all of a sudden. There he is. 20. It was a while. He was holding tight. Goes up to the doe group. Everything's perfect. 560 yards. Chip shot. He's dead. I'm like. This is a miracle. I'm so lucky.

Doe drums. No. I just dial the turret. I mean. At this point. I'm just ready for this to be done. I lay down. I mean. I couldn't be more. It was easy. You know. Benched in. Shoot. Nothing. He goes like 10 yards. And looking around. I thought. What is going on? Boom. Shoot again. And I saw him jump. Just a little bit. And he takes off. And down in the thick again. And I'm thinking. He's got to be dead down there. And so. Luckily I was filming. I watched the video. And I'm hitting like. Six inches high.

Oh. Yeah. Anyways. So then. You got to know your limits. Archibald. Yeah. I guess. I don't know what happened now. I need to shoot. I need to shoot here in the next. Two or three days. Anyways. He comes. Luckily he was ready. I love the rat. I love the rat. Same here. It's amazing. I'm so tired of tracking smart bucks. It's amazing. I'm sick of it. He came out with his does again. I hiked a couple of peaks. Ran. Torched my legs. I mean. No angle here. Ran around. Got to this perfect little. I mean. Just a dream. Rock pile. Peek over. And there's 10 does. And he's gone. I don't see him. And all at once. He just pushes through this mahogany. Comes out. Broadside. The does scatter around him. Boom. 300 yards. That was it. Did you shoot high? Or did you know by then? I dialed. I dialed for 300. And he was at like 330. So yeah. I hit him. I mean. Smoked him. Just. Gun shooting high.

Something ain't right. At the end of the day. The gun shooting high. I did that. If you want to take one of my guns. I'll let you. I'd sell it for dirt cheap right now. And there's nothing wrong. Who knows. Maybe the stock's loose even. I don't know. You don't know. Because you're like. Oh. Your bases. The rings. The scope obviously. But I mean. The bases. The rings. The stock. I mean. You're just. What is wrong? Yeah. I got something. Got a loose muzzle break. I had that happen on a sheet pump this year. In the dark. We're getting out. We're getting out. We're getting out. We're getting out. We're saddled up. Didn't hear this one. In Utah. And myself. One of my guides. And the hunter. And we're already start backpacking in. It's dark. We got headlamps on. We're going to backpack in for the day. And I said. Let's have. Look at your scope. I just. You're gone. I just wanted. You know.

You got to be somewhat familiar. What are you shooting? Yeah. Is this a. Yeah. Bold action. I mean. We got a 308. What do we do? And I grabbed it. And then I grabbed the scope. And it moved.

And I. I'm wondering about. Yeah. That. That didn't happen. And I grabbed it again. And. It wiggles ever so slightly. In your hands. And I'm like.

Wayne. You got your gun in your truck? Yeah. But he's got his. No. We're bringing your gun. It says. Fill this. And you grab it. Wiggles. The scope. Was. Was wiggly. And I don't even grab scope. I mean. I don't even know how I felt that. It's not even something you would do. I don't even test that. No. You don't even want to talk. I don't even do that to my own. I don't even do that to my own gun. No. Before any hands. Wiggle the scope to see if it moves. That was lucky. No. And luckily. He's like. Yeah. You got any tools to just tighten that? I says. Yeah. It's not that simple at this point. I says. Who knows. Where do you tighten it to? You've got to shoot it. It's pitch black. And. It's like. We're leaving in five minutes. You know what I think is crazy. Is you start to tighten a scope down. And they're rock solid. Like when you're setting a scope up. You just barely.

You don't even tighten them to torque. And you cannot turn them. So. How does it happen? I do not. I mean. I know. He doesn't of course. And it happens. It happens. And so. Anyway. Just. All the torquing. And wiggling. And all the something. Four wheeler rides. In the. I don't know. Those amazing coffin. Freaking. Plastic bins. They go. Da da da da da da. Well. I don't even use those anymore. But I don't know. Yeah. But that saved us. When you're in a backpack sheep hunt. And if you had a. That happen. When it's time to shoot. Because. You know. It's five or six days into it. We found a ram. And he killed it. With my guide's gun. But I mean. If you get to that point. And then you shoot and miss. After all the. It's tough to swallow. There's so much riding on these hunts. There's no smash and grab. Years of points. Going on. No. There's something so simple. Yeah.

So you got a gun that doesn't shoot. No. No. It shoots. It's just. Something's. Something right. Yeah. I'm just glad I'm not the only one. Because I mean. I went back to a 338. And that thing's freaking disgusting. He came out at six to ten. I didn't even shoot. I was like. I'm not. I'm getting. I can get closer. You know. It's not worth it. Yeah. And normally you're. You're. You're shooting thousand all the time. Like it's not like you're. Your equipment's not capable. It just stuff happens. Yeah. You're in the field. You're in side by sides. For days. Yeah. Weeks. Yeah. Weeks. And you. How often do you really shoot your gun during a. Two month season. Once you sight it in. Like. Sometimes never. Yeah. No. It's true. And even when. After my antelope hunt. My wife wanted to go shoot. We go shooting. It's like. Way to the right. Remember when I told you that. How does that happen? No.

And I've been going years and never even. I don't even get them. I don't even shoot them. I know they're dead on. And then the last couple years it's been slightly off. It's making me so mad. I would shoot before every hunt. No matter what. If you can. Yeah. Check it. All right. Well. So Bronson. Do you want to tell us about your story? About the most amazing winter day ever? The perfect deer hunter day. Didn't he. Did he tell you. Who did he tell him? He told Pollock about it. This has already came out on a podcast. It did not. Did it? Huh? It did? That's why I'm not so sure that scab. I wasn't here. I'm not so sure that scab isn't quite as healed as you think. Well. It was healed until about a month ago. And now you're bringing it back. I didn't. I wasn't here. I didn't hear it. Well. It was after. I remember you telling me. And you said. Let me paint this picture.

That was about 15 years ago. Well. We can get your side to it right now. Well. This is after my muzzleloader.

After the muzzleloader hunt with my boy and my wife. On the poncegon. Okay. Josh shared some glassing time with this friend that I keep referring to. That locked the keys in the truck. And that story came up. I was told that story at that point. That story came up while we're out stalking. And Josh hears it for the first time. It did? Apparently. I mean. They're talking face to face. It's not. I wonder what his side is. Well. There's only one side. Because your side. There's only one side. Should we call him? We should call him. No. But go ahead. He's a great guy. It's just. He did what anybody could do. You're doing the best you can. You're trying to get the crap out of camp. You know. Well. We had driven out of camp or town. Whichever we were doing at the time. And up there. You know. A mile or two. Until the snow started getting so deeper. Like. We got to stop. Yeah.

We got to stop this. Yeah. Because. You know. You're going to get up a two track. And you're going to be pulling an enclosed trailer. Yeah. And. Going to be a problem. You're going to have a problem. Yeah. And literally. Later that day. Not to digress. But there was 18 inches of fresh snow for a season. It never happens anymore. We're in this drought. We don't even know what snow is. So. Anyway. So there you. Cold. Somehow. I don't even remember the sequence. It's been that. It's that. It's. At the end of the day. You had no rifle. Right. At the end of the day. It's inside the truck. Well. Not until a locksmith could get. Brought to the mouth. I'd have broke the dead gum window. Huh.

Josh. Josh. You've been kind of quiet.

Is that insurance fraud. If you break the window. And then claim insurance. Probably. Or. You know. I don't know. Only if you say your gun was stolen. I have moved on. That. I've never. I've never had ill feelings. No. And it's now come up twice in 30 days. You and I never have talked about it since. But I remember the perfect day. That's what I remember from this. What you don't know is that the perfect scenario just played out 30 days ago on this podcast. I didn't know. I didn't know. Did you guys. It was not talked about it with me. I don't think we really talked about that.

Okay. I'm going to. I'm going to let you guys. I was. I was. We're going to move on. I was very frustrated that morning. It was. It was. One of the days. Starters were coming up the road or something. It was just a. No. Smashing grab. It was just the perfect morning. Was there any tracks in front of you? You were the first guy up the road. I think that's what I remembered was. The first guys. The first guys there. We were. Started getting out. Like just talking about how amazing this was. And then you hear. Coming up behind you. Yeah. Which what does everybody do? And the flurry started. You freaking get in the side by side four wheeler truck. Whatever you're doing. And you go. You're number one on the road. Yeah. Keys and guns. And locks. Yeah. Stuff just. I wasn't there. There's one gun and two dudes. Yeah. Okay. I got it. I'm pretty well there. Was it a good day?

We're still friends to this day. If it matters. If you guys want to matter. Did a locksmith have to go. Yeah. Do they even make locksmiths over there? What do you mean? Yeah. They have them everywhere. What town did he reside in? That was in Glenwood Springs. All right. All right. Anyway. Well, it happens. It happens. I don't. I've got some frustrating things to talk about at some point in my life when I get over them.

I'll end it with this. Sometimes behavior or frustration boils over. I wasn't proud. No. Of myself for a minute. But it was just one of those. It was one of those mornings, Archibald. I know. Nothing to do with. And you did it to yourself. So it's like you had to just. There's nobody to do. I kind of had to laugh about it. You'd have thought I was bipolar. Because I'm driving. I'm laughing. And then I'm pissed. And I'm laughing. Like, how does this happen? Of all the days. Okay. Let me paint this picture. Let's say you're hunting with one of your brothers. Your brothers are all younger than you, right? I'm the oldest. Okay. So you're. You're lighting them up. And they had left it back at base camp. And they had left it there and not put them in the back to truck. What do you mean you didn't strap the four-wheeler ramp down? What would you have said to them?

The pin ain't going to come out on its own? What would you. What do you mean? What do you mean you didn't strap it down 14 different times? Who doesn't? Who doesn't? Strap their four-wheeler ramps down. You didn't tack weld that. Exactly. You didn't tack weld that before we got started? Boy. That would have been a little hot, yeah. That's all I'm going to say. But it's over. We almost got a taste in some of that. I remember a bull getting across the power line that was like, How did he not see that? Where? What? Oh, yeah. Our bull Archibald family reunion down in Arizona. My brother was like, Oh, let's have it, Archibald. That's what brought this story up. That reminds me. I'm on the Ponce I got. We're hunting the buck that we know is in this 10-yard circle. And it can't leave. You guys have eyes 360 degrees. There's me. There's Ty. There's, what did you say? Friends and friends.

There's the same. Gary. And there's Josh. Okay. This deer is dead. He's dead. He's dead. Six hours later. Josh, we need your side of this. Adam, back off a little bit. We got eyes on the buck. Okay, no problem. He's about 800 yards up the ridge. How in the age did he get there?

I was at that point. I was because the radio, there's two chairs like this. I'm Gary. You're me. And he had had the radio at one point because he was talking. And when I was like, oh, no, Gary, that buck's clamped there.

You call him. You tell him. Gary's having flashbacks. And I'm like this. I'm ready. I'm like. Gary's having flashbacks to the winter day.

That's how this story comes up. And that's literally. You tell him. You call him. You tell him. You tell him. Josh is like, I had a little PTSD that day. Poor Josh. He's always just there when these things happen. And that's when that story came out. Yeah, he told him that because he's like, well, I've seen Adam upset before. Oh. Then Adam walks up to him and says, we'll talk about this later.

It's going. It keeps going. Hey, I was there glassing too. He slipped out from underneath my nose. I'll catch up with you later. Josh is like, I'm looking around going. See you at the office. Well, I've got 30 minutes of pickup around here. And then I guess I'm going to go home and eat with my wife.

And it ended good. We all were standing around a deer about an hour later. Well, yeah. Luckily, literally, they went home. They did. Luckily. Luckily, they went home. They got out of our hair. We're going to drive to the other part of the unit and see if we can turn up the other buck that's been a ghost. Which was meant to be. And we drove right up on it. And killed a better buck anyway, probably. I don't know. Well, Ty, Becky, we're doing this by ourselves. Let's go. No, I didn't. You didn't say that. Josh, I don't care what you do.

It's so fun to talk about it when you realize there's no ill intention. Just hunt. Just hunt. I would have had a fly on the wall. I didn't know this was going on up there to those guys. But the shaking and the drawing of straws, the flipping of points, who had to tell me on the radio. So that's why I said maybe that scab wasn't quite swealed. You know how things just happen in the field when they're not really, you just hate it when it happens. Well, and when it happens and it's your kids or wife or whoever. Are you going to? One story you haven't heard. One story you haven't heard. I was going to say, pump breaks. And it's me that made a mistake. Oh, okay. Good. When I never make a mistake. So as far as I'm concerned, as a dad and a husband, I never make a mistake. And so you're so hard. You know, the kids are like, damn. Even Sean, we were stalking his buck.

I'm like, can you hear yourself? Like, quiet down. I mean, I'm turning back to him all the time. Quiet down. So just picture this. We see target buck. It's Jana's hump. We make the long stalk. Okay? And it's perfect. What? Go ahead. You're going there. No, I'm not. No, it's mine. It's me, me. Oh, okay. And we get over to where we think he is. And it's just her and I. Wyatt had left us. Wyatt's gone. And I'm like, it's just her and I. That's it. And I glassed him up. I don't know how.

I don't know how. So anyway, it's an hour and a half, two hours to get there. We get there. We see nothing. Dead calm. Nothing. Nothing moves. Nothing was moving. We leave. We sneak out of there. Dude, he's going to be there. He's going to be there. This is before we've tracked him a hundred different times and now really know that he's never going to be there. He's moving major, major country. We go in there and it's, you can hear a pin drop. You can hear a pin drop. Just picture the whole morning. You're getting in there and you're like, and I mean, she's quiet. I'm quiet. Everything's perfect. And we get up there. We just get up there and I'm like, I'm working my trip, you know, and we're tight because you have to be tight because it's super thick. And I'm like, I'm working my tripod and I loosened the neck because it was tall because I'm glassing as we're going in. Crack of daylight.

And then it needs to be, we're going to sit down and it needs to be, you know, shorter. And so I'm working the legs and stuff. I work the neck and it's sideways because we're trying to be really low to the ground. And I, and I can't get it to, I can't get it to collapse.

So some force. I tilt it up. No, I tilt it up. And you can hear a pin drop. It's perfect. I tilt it up. It collapsed on its own and just, and the weight of the binos and everything. And I look at Janet and she looks at me like she's going to kill me.

I'm telling, and I was going to kill me. I mean, I'm like, I am the biggest idiot. And I'm like, it's ruined. This deer is freaking smart. It's done. And I'm like, it's done the whole morning. I just, I want to walk out right now. I just want to leave, you know? And she looks at me and I'm like, anyway, we haven't really spoke about it, but I wouldn't mind one of these days calling her and just asking her about that moment. Maybe one time what you do is you walk in with a tripod from the optics store and say, hey, this is stuck. Do you help me? Well, what I think funny, she understands it now, like the frustration a husband or, or, or dad feels right when you're, you know what I mean? And here I am the one doing it. It just happens, right? Ruined it. And this deer has been weeks of frustration and it culminated with this tripod collapsing. And you could hear it for miles.

It felt like echoed off the walls. Oh, it echoed off the walls. It echoed off everything. I want to, I should call her right now. Just ask her about that. But you should ask her, see what she says. Pretty funny.

Deer wasn't even there. Deer wasn't even there. It's no problem. We went to track and even 14 miles later, it's no problem. All right. Well, let's see. What other stories are we waiting for?

Josh? That's a good wrap on some couple, three weeks. Yeah, good enough. Got a lot more stories coming. A lot going on here in the next two weeks still. The one thing I, you know, we're hunting a lot of states. We're doing a lot of different hunts. Every one of us. It's like, I mean, it's, we're grinding. We're out and about and doing it. Got a lot of hunts coming up for you guys, especially, John. Wyatt, you getting excited? Yeah, third season right around the corner. It's pretty awesome. Devin, you ready to go again? I'm ready, man. Yeah. I got to cut up some meat and pack, but I'm ready. Josh, you're going to hit a unit that you don't even care about now because you only want to go to one unit.

Josh is not even excited about it. No, I'm not. It's a four-season tag in an amazing area. Well, I didn't get the greatest report from someone I had in there before. Sometimes tiny stuff. Hey, from a second, third, and fourth season can be monumentally different. That's true. Just, you know. I've been trying to cut that. Well, anyway. All right. Well, sounds good. Let's see. What do we got going here? Yeah, we got a couple shout-outs. I'll give a shout-out to Red Rock Precision. That new gun I've got, I've talked about it before, but it's been a killer this year. Caribou, sheep, deer. What else? Am I missing something? No. It's killed my Red Rocks. Unbelievable. Yeah, this 6.5 PRC has been, I'm more and more a fan of these cute little guns. Come on. I love them. I like the big ones. I don't. I like watching. When I want a bullet, when a bullet touches them, I want them to.

I watch the deer drop in my scope, and my bolt has already ran. There's something to say for that. I'm ready to fire the second time. No, there's something to say for that. And they don't jump on you. Two pounds lighter, and shorter barrel, and brush, and I'm just getting a bigger fan. And I, for me, I hunt elk with a bow 80% of the time when I hunt elk. I have bigger guns. I have a .300-Rum. I have a .7 mag and stuff. If I need to do that. So, for sheep and antelope and coos deer, mule deer, I mean, it's just, I haven't had a bad performance on the bullet either. It's nice to just be able to have a gun that you can hand to anybody, though, to shoot. Yeah, my kids. Just like my wife grabbed it. My wife. Whoever. You can just. Just clients. Generally, those are out-of-the-box guns. And clients. I give my wife and kids. Yeah.

Have a lot of clients shoot our guns on sheep hunt, especially guys that maybe live back east. They have a white-tailed gun, or they don't hunt out here a lot, and they don't want to go invest 2, 3, 4, 5, whatever thousand in a new long-range setup. Or when I say long, just a western gun setup that's a 300- to 500-yard gun, which, for the most part, that's kind of a must when you come out west. So, anyway, shout-out to them, Kurt. Kurt and his son, Josh, and the crew there make awesome guns. They can kind of, they've got a custom gun builder on the website, redrockprecision.com. We've worked with them from the start. Actually got to hunt with Kurt this year himself as he drew his desert sheep tag in Utah and helped him take an awesome ram himself. His daughter there as well, and with Josh. So, we had a great time with them. But hunters first, gun builders as well. So, give them a call.

Check them out. Good people. Redrockprecision.com. Good people. I like supporting good people. Also, another shout-out I want to give to Hoyt Archery, even though I guess archery season for most of all of us. We don't do a lot of late-season hunts, us here at Epic Outdoors. There's a lot of late-season archery stuff in Nevada kicking off here, what, in a couple of days. November 10th, I think, has a lot of archery hunts. But, anyway, awesome bows. Most all of us here have LARX fives or sevens. And I'll flat-out say that my bow shoots better than I can. And, I mean, I'm not saying that takes a lot to out-shoot me. But, I mean, the bow's capable of some – they're awesome. And the balance and everything that they put into there, the R&D, Hoyt's kind of been at the top of their game for a long, long time.

We appreciate them being a sponsor of us here at Epic Outdoors and the podcast and everything like that. So, I know you other guys are pretty fond of those as well. You guys are going to be using yours here coming up, maybe. Who? I still got a bow hunt. What? Kansas. You've got a dog and a – okay, okay. You missed a lot. I'm missing a lot. Okay, Kansas. Sorry. Yeah. That's right. You do have that. Kansas whitetail. When you said you guys. Oh, Wyatt possibly. Yeah, Wisconsin possibly. Wyatt's just – Got to go dust him off with a bow. Adam, you and I are going to have to freaking work the office while these guys are gone. Hey. It's getting – I'm – These guys are – I'm this close. Usually, I mean, when you hire guys, you usually know – Like, in Joshua's situation where he doesn't even own one side of the pan. You know what I mean? And you kind of assume everybody's like that. No problem.

Everybody's going to be able to work the office. These guys can leave for months. And you and I are going to be here.

I'm at the point of my year. I've had a fun year, a taxing long year. And I'm frankly – I'm about ready. I need to be – You started pretty early, too. I started early. I did. And it feels – I've got ailments. And I don't even want to get into that on this podcast. But I've got doctor's appointments lined up on top of each other. Really? Yeah. I'm getting a heart scan here soon. Well, yeah. See how much calcium's in there. So, anyway, just old ailments that you put off and, yeah, problems. I thought you had those major doctor appointments with John and I. Let's hear those stories. You got rotor-rooted a little bit. You guys hit 45 to 50 and you'll be there.

Let's move on. That was fine. Are you okay? Yeah. I mean, how big of a specialist are you seeing? I don't know yet.

Jeez, bro.

Medical history is personal, but good grief. We need to know a few things. I might be trying to schedule something over Christmas break. Come on. Let's just put it that way. What? Yeah. We'll see. Dude. Anybody out there need a job? Why give us – John, you're taking resumes, aren't you? We need a writer and a research guy that's hunted the crap out of stuff. I can talk on the phone. I just may or may not – Just give me a desk and a wheelchair. I'm fine. That's fine. Jeez. You'll get your bed if you need one. This is a game changer. I'm nervous. You guys might have to be bringing me Jell-O to the office.

Jell-O and apple juice.

John, we need to have some visits after this. The health of the business may or may not be in jeopardy. No, it's just procedural. What do you mean? I've got to take time off? I'm just – During Christmas? No. No, I'm just trying to pick a moment. He has to know.

He just wants to know if it stems from the appointment that dealt with gloves, jams, and jellies. Oh, come on. Does this stem from the Roto-Rooter? No. Nothing. No. Okay. Nothing like that. Oh, let's give a shout-out. Maybe bone and joint pain. How about – we'll just leave it at that. Okay. Well, a little shout-out to our licensed app service. How about that? If you guys are looking – you know, I actually have guys that are hitting me, and it's that time. People – you think we're coming up with new plans? Everybody's coming up with new plans. And each year, it's a new year. Got guys out there. They're saying, hey, just take care of it for us. No problem. And we do that. We do a dang good job at it, if I might add. The best we know of. And we treat your application as if it's our own.

And so, anyway, no matter what point in life you're at, if you're just gaining points or if you're wanting to draw easy-to-draw tags or maybe a little bit of both or long-term plans, sheep only. Some guys only have a supply of sheep. No problem. But, anyway, we do that here at Epic Outdoors. Wyatt kind of heads up that department, Adam and I, and, of course, Josh and Devin. We all work on it. And these guys are our friends. I mean, they're our long-term clients. And, you know, if they draw the right tags, we're heroes. If they draw the wrong tag or don't draw it all, it's not so good. So it's our job to get you the right tag that makes sense. Wyatt, you want to jump in on this? Oh, no. I just basically add to that. We're super competitive as far as pricing. I think we're the most knowledgeable in the industry when it comes to license application. Yeah. 100 percent. We know this.

So, anyway, give us a try. If you're looking for, you know, somebody to do your applications or even possibly to make a change, why, you know, give us a holler. We'd be happy to help you. We've got a great staff. We've got a great group of gals as well that are administrative assistants that help us with this as well. Of course, you're going to be dealing with us. And we choose your units personally and go through and make an initial strategy. And then, you know, as time rolls along, things change. And, of course, we want to be able to adapt and change to your schedule and preferences and things like that. So, anyway, license application, we're $50 if you're one species. $100 if it's two or more in a state. And that's one per state with a $750 max. So, can't spend more than $750 with us as far as the regular state applications here in the West.

I think one of the advantages, you know, people don't think, well, what can I gain by having somebody else, you know, manage my applications in certain states? Maybe you do your home state and let us do a couple states. But a lot of times what will happen is kind of the synergy that we have on the podcast here, why it will be looking at a guy's applications and his points and things like that and have an idea about where to apply him. And, you know, say something to Jason, Jason will chip in, and you'll get some special treatment and come up with, hey, an idea for a specific guy. Let's apply him here, and he'll have, you know, a better chance of drawing a specific tag. That's the truth.

And I think, too, in our office where our offices are basically open to each other until, you know, if Wyatt's working on somebody or I'm working with somebody or Adam's working with somebody, a lot of times it's like, yeah, but remember this option of turning this tag back. Or we're doing this or we're doing that. And you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. And this is what, you know, he should be doing or whatever. I mean, it's exciting to draw guys' tags and to work on, you know, other people's dreams and hopes and whatnot and trying to grab tags. And we try to be super personalized. We try not to apply everybody for the exact same unit or the exact same way. I mean, we're applying you for goal to meet your goals. Yeah, we like to spread everybody out. I want to draw every single non-resident tag in every single state. Yeah. You know, our guys. That's good. It's good, right?

So like you're saying, a lot of services out there will say, here's a group of three units, apply everybody for these three or whatever, for example. So anyway, we're definitely not doing that and very customized. A lot of the time we'll have an outfitter for you before you even apply. That's true. Another one of those things. One of those layers of information that, yeah. If you're wanting to go guided or even maybe guided in horseback wilderness that just is a whole difference, you know, angle that we can look at applying you versus somebody just says, trophy elk, 340 inch or better bulls. Well, there's a lot that can happen to that. But if you can give us a little bit more information about you personally, not limited physically or are limited physically. Wanted to use an outfitter or prefer private land hunt. Wanted to pay for that.

There's just layers of information that we have and store in your database so that we know how we can apply you. And let's face it, the goal is not to just get your apps done. I mean, that's part of it. You want them in. You want them done on time. You want them done accurately so you gain points and apply it for the units that fit your criteria. But the real goal is to get you drawn for hunts. We're trying to improve the odds of that happening more. Instead of just rubber stamping, yeah, we've got everybody's apps done. I'm going to need help because I've got a lot of tags and none of them are punched. I'm going to need some help, Bronson. I want you to help me get better tags. Just give me all your personal information and I'll do good things. The rut hunting we've been talking about, I want that. All right, give me your logins. The smashing grabs, I want those.

Hey, I want to simplify your life. Just come to work next year, give me your logins, and I'll do good things. How about this? You give me yours, I'll give you mine. No deal.

I'm scared. You'll be hunting some crap. But, hey, there was a big one there 30 years ago. I'm going to be hunting genetics from the 80s. You're going to be hunting Bucket Justice's great, great, great, great, great grandson. Nobody even knows who's born yet. Genetics from the 80s. Yeah. Hey, it's a special country. Yeah. Well, anyway. All right. Shout out to Kuyu. Da! On that note. All right, go ahead, Josh. Just a shout out to Kuyu. They actually just had a big sale this last week and may or may not have got a few things. No kidding? Did the wife let you? I come out of the Christmas fun. Yeah. Yeah. Jason? I don't know. What are you doing to the guy? I don't know. I'm just asking a few questions. The guy already feels like he walks around his house with crosshairs on the back of his head.

Do you feel like a prisoner in your own house? Never drive that truck to work again, Josh. No matter what. Tell us about this truck you got. Oh. Kuyu. Kuyu. They have good equipment. Had a big sale.

No, actually, you know, a couple of years ago, I got one of their packs and I always used to tease my brother because he'd always have like 5,000 or whatever packs. 7,000. What in the world are you packing that thing around for? And, you know, I kind of graduated to that one of their packs. That's a 5,000. And it's just nice. You can suck them down if you don't want to pack stuff or when it starts getting late like this or you're jumping in with somebody else, you know, and you have to throw 17 things in it really quick and two jackets and all kinds of stuff. Pretty awesome to be able to go up or down with that. So, yeah, just check those guys out at Kuyu.com. Sean's had his for four or five years and it's literally wore out. And it's nothing against Kuyu. It's an amazing pack. Sean's hard on stuff. Really hard on stuff. And it's been incredible. Must get that from his mom.

What do you mean? Whoa. We might need to cut something. What did that mean?

Just hard on things. I don't know. Jana just seems like she's really rough on equipment.

All right. Oh. Sean, save us. Yeah. Let's get one last shout out to St. James Sporting Properties. If you're looking for property, a ranch, a sporting type property, that's what they specialize in. And he's just a good guy. We've had him on the podcast several times and knows his stuff. So, you know, if you're looking for the perfect, you know, hunting, fishing type property, then give Blaine a call there. Check out their website. It's sjsportingproperties.com. Phone number is 855-711-SJSP. Shout out to Blaine, too. I think he just finished his North America Super Slam 29 with his family. Sitka Blacktail. Part of his family up there. That's awesome. I think Kodiak, wasn't it? Sitka Blacktail. I always have weird thoughts. Like, I wonder how many people finish their North America 29 with a Sitka Blacktail. Like, probably not very many.

I know guys that have finished it with a cougar, a mountain lion. Like, one of the easier things. I don't know. It's just kind of weird. Sometimes you think it's like a stone sheep, a brown bear. Like, if I'm doing it, I'm hoping to, like, kill the mule deer. But I want to finish it with a mule deer. You know what I mean? So I don't even want to go for it. I think that would be impossible, though, because you already killed one. Yeah. I know. That's my point. I don't even want to go for it. No reason to do it. I want to finish with a mule deer, you know? Well, why don't you finish with a blacktail? It's a subspecies of the mule deer. They're like a wannabe mule deer. And the blacktail guys are now cringing because they love them. They're addicted to them. And a Sitka Blacktail is another subspecies of the blacktail. I know.

Which all look like a mule deer, and they all want to be a mule deer. They're all just about half pints. Half pints. That's right. Little shout-out to the Peak Sneak, too. How about it? Matt Messerly built us this podcast table. It's freaking awesome. It's just awesome. We just wanted a little. Way roomier than the other one. Yeah. Well, the other one was like, it couldn't even fit two people around it. We had six of us. It was just, it wasn't even really a table. It was a Walmart put together. Who knows how many, you know, with all our cans on there and that short. Who? Dude, this has got four monsters and a fresca, and everybody's happy. We shared drinks at that other one, and we didn't know it. Well, accidentally. Yeah, that's what I mean. Accidentally. I know why I didn't drink any of our monsters, though. No. You know what?

And what's funny is, I mean, he's had more kidney stones than any of us. I don't even know what a kidney stone is. Which is one. I haven't had water in six days, okay? I've had nothing but tough hunts, which means Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi, and Monster.

Anyway, he did, Matt did an incredible job. We're going to, of course, we're going to freaking take this up to the expo. Who knows? I mean, this is awesome. I just love it. Did a great job. Kind of a good-looking card plan table, whoever. Oh, dude. Yeah. Look at the expo. Poker night. Yeah. Colton and Chelsea Christensen did some of the work, too, on it. He worked with them, Double C Steel on Instagram. You can go check them out. But anyway, you can see the posts. It's awesome. I mean, hey, it's the little stuff. It's cool. I like this kind of stuff. People might think, a table? What do you mean? I think it's awesome. It's pretty awesome. It's a table. So, anyway, good work, Matt. We sure appreciate you. Just incredible. It's awesome. And it's the little details. He's a detailed guy. So, and a good hunter. Again, working with good people. I like it. All right.

Well, we're supposed to get some storm, everybody. Yeah. Huh? That's why I had to bring the truck today. Because if I got to get over the mountain, the green lantern wasn't going to make it. The green lantern? What's on your mind? Let's just.

He doesn't even know about that. So, let's just move on. He doesn't. Josh knows about. No, he doesn't. You tell me he knows about everything. No. You're not getting anything bad, Josh. That's the green car. Oh. Okay. So, let's move on from that. Is this the one that John lifted? Oh. Oh. John lifted this car and pushed it over four feet by himself. And his bumper. Yeah. Never been able to get that thing to balance since. He's had flat spots in the tires ever since. All right. Well. The real reason Josh brought the truck over is he's got a long list of how to eat his thing pick up after work. Are you going to Walmart? Yeah. Zach told you. That's gross hair. That's gross hair. That's gross hair. Hey. That gross hair is right here. Diapers and formula. Paul, man. What are you getting, Josh? Eggs? You need to hug. That's why. Yes, ma'am. That's what my chickens are for. Yes, mama. Yes, mama.

Hey, I think your wife's awesome. You guys have a great relationship. This is all in good fun. So don't want her over here supervising the podcast. If you're listening, it's all in fun. That's the last thing any of us needs. Is that woman over here? That's the last thing any of us needs. Is that woman over here? This is my 10 hours a day. This is my freedom. It's my job and my freedom. I'd just like to put a disclaimer. I'd like to know that if you're coming to town. I'd like to be able to leave. I'd like to be the man in my office. I'd like to leave. Please, stay out of my office. I'd like to be the man here. All right, everybody. Good luck. Good luck.

Good luck. Thank you. Thank you.