In this episode we have Colby Kroff from Swarovski Optik with us to introduce the latest products from Swarovski, stabilized spotting scopes. Listen to this podcast to get all the details on the new AT/ST Balance spotting scopes, available now on our website.
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Hey everybody. Jason Carter. John Peterson. We’re missing Adam. Yeah, he’s hunting. Hunting, hunting. Wait, it’s November. Why aren’t we hunting? Wyatt, why aren’t you hunting?
Just got back. Had it out again.
So
I just have a question for you, Wyatt. ’cause I know how I feel about it, but how do you feel when you don’t get anything, when you go hunting and you don’t get anything?
I’m getting really used to it.
There you go.
That’s what I was looking for.
You’re growing accustomed for
Some reason. I’m accustomed to it. Settled
Into it.
It’s getting a little old.
I’m getting one of those drawers that you talk about.
Oh no, I could show you the drawer.
The bottom corner of your desk right there.
It’s the entire desk. Okay. It’s full of unused tags.
One day we’ll scrapbook ’em all up.
Eight deer tags a year, times however many years. Anyway, how about you, John? How are you doing? Yeah, I
Had a a eight A tag as well in
Colorado. Yeah. But you’ve got a story or two also. I do. By, by the way, you’ve got stories by the way, cash. You’ve got stories. I’ve got stories that I don’t wanna talk about it, but I wanna talk about your guys’ stories. Okay. I love talking about your guys’ stories. Wyatt, have you got a good story for us at some point?
Yeah. It might be too soon, but
Salt and the wound,
Jason Point at some point we can talk about it.
Okay.
I like it. All right. Hey, you heard it here first. We are going to get a story outta Wyatt. There
You go.
We’re gonna hold him to it.
He’s pretty, he’s pretty quiet. I don’t blame him. I don’t blame him. But anyway. Yeah. And Kobe, how are you doing?
I’m doing great. Good. Thanks for coming. I have no stories. No one. No, no. What? I do have a tag in the corner of my desk drawer. So do you
We need to add to
That. Yeah.
We know people that can get tags, right? Wyatt? Yeah. Yeah. We, I mean, we can put him right in the service and start applying all
You, you know somebody that does that? Yeah,
We do. We know Somebody. Maybe
Hook me up after this. Okay. Alright.
We’ll get you more tags than you need.
All right. Well, today’s kind of a special day. We got Kobe Croft here from Swarovski. We appreciate him. What a great guest. We’ve had him on the podcast before. We learn a ton from him. We sell a ton of UA products. Why? Because they’re incredible. Right. Some of the best optics out there, bar none. Everybody knows this. That color of green is special in the hunting world, produces incredible optics. So we’ve got something special. Every time RO comes out with a new product, we’re super excited about it. Yeah. And it, and it seems like, it seems like years ago there was multiple years when no, no new products came out. Sure. And lately you’ve been, it’s been pretty innovative. Yep. Couple of new products coming out. We’ve got rifle scopes that have come out. We’ve talked about, we’ve even got a few more exciting things coming up that we aren’t gonna talk about today. Sure. And then we’ve got an exciting product we’re gonna talk about
Today. Then we have this, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the, the, the old adage, you innovate or die. Right? So we’re always working on new stuff. I always like when we come out with new products, ’cause I get to sit down with you guys and, and do this. Yeah. And that’s always fun for me. So have a
Good time. Yeah, yeah. For sure. So we went out to an event. Roski has a shooting event here and there, or optics unveiling type events. You guys make us sign documents we shouldn’t have to sign, but, but anyway, and, and kind of, we really work over the new products and, and kind of use ’em in the field. You know what I mean? So this particular product is coming out November 25th. If you’re hearing this podcast, by the way, you don’t even have to look at your phone. It’s November 25th. That’s when this is coming out. Or maybe 11:00 PM November 24th. I, I dunno. Logan, when can you get that?
Whenever you tell me to release his when it comes out.
Col Kind is the boss today.
It’s the 25th somewhere. Right.
Good point. I like it. We, let’s Google that. It’ll be
Out today.
I like it. So anyway, long time in the making. How long before we talk about it, but how long has this been in the making?
You know, the first I heard of this, the first whispers I heard of this, I was trying to think about it the other day. It’s probably been five years or so. Wow. In the process, I heard rumors about it or, you know, we kind of pitched it around with each other. Is is there a market for this or is it something we should pursue? Yeah. And that had to have been five years ago. It’s just typical for us. It typically takes us, you know, many years to develop a new product. Yeah.
Isn’t that Wow.
Yeah. Some of them almost a decade.
I wonder how much money an r and d like for that many years, A lot, if you were to allocate wages right. At logie bear’s, wages would just flat break.
That’s right. That’s been, it’s been a long time coming. So
It’s pretty awesome. Yeah. And they don’t, they don’t take it lightly. So, no. So this is a, a new spotting scope. It’s a stabilized spotting scope, let’s just call it what it is. Yep. It’s basically what it is, right? Yep. We call it the at balance, angled balance, the st balance, the straight version. Maybe Kobe, I’ll just let you kind of dive into Sure. A little bit of maybe the specifications. Basically, this is a competitor to a lightweight spotter. Yeah, for sure. The A TC and the STC. Right? Anybody that had those lightweight spotters, you did it for a reason. You did it to save weight, you did it save space. Sure. Ease of use, whatever it is. And you’re not, you don’t need the 70 power. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep, yep, yep. And so this is a balanced version, a stabilized electronic stabilized version, right. Of that.
Yeah. So this technology certainly isn’t new and we certainly didn’t invent it. It’s been around for a really long time. I, 20 years ago when I was working behind a gun counter, I was selling stabilized binoculars from Canon and Olympus and Nikon. They all, they all made ’em back then. And, and the technology really hasn’t changed a ton. What has changed is we’re, you know, everybody’s better at making things than they used to. The mini the electronics have been miniaturized and all that stuff. Yeah. So it’s a lot easier to do now than, than it was before. And it’s a lot, you know, of course processing speeds are faster and, and all that than, than what it used to be. But it, it, the concept really hasn’t changed in a long time. And there’s basically two types of stabilization. There’s like a digital stabilization, like if you think of a GoPro camera Okay.
You’re basically, it’s, it’s actually filming a much larger picture than what you’re seeing. And it’s just showing you a part of it that it’s moving around in there to Yeah. Counteract the relative movement of the camera. That’s a digital stabilization. This is actually a, an electronic, like a physical stabilization. So this has a, a lens element in it that moves around inside the optic. So, go backing up a little bit, kinda a little optics 1 0 1. If you think about a, a rifle scope, for example, everybody’s familiar with a rifle scope. You, you turn your elevation in your windage turrets and that in your brain, it moves your radical up and down left and right. But that’s not really what it’s doing. It’s actually moving the image that you’re looking at up and down and left and right. And your radical stays in the same place.
And it’s doing that by bending the light path as it comes through the rifle scope. Oh. So moving around a lens element inside of that tube changes, moves the image back and forth up and down. So that’s what this is doing. It’s got a lens in behind the, between the eyepiece and the prisms that is essentially suspended in inside the optic that is then forced to move around opposite equal and opposite to the relative movement, what your movement is. Yes. Correct. What your movement is. Yeah. So there’s, so it’s got, it’s got little gyroscopic sensors in there. It’s got little tiny motors, essentially. It’s got sensors that, that, that tell it where that lens is in space at any given time. And so it’s processing the movement that it, the gyroscopic sensors are feeding it, taking into account where that lens already is and then moving it where it needs to be to keep the image that you’re looking at from moving.
I think about live valve suspension, like on my, on the talon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And it’s got like, let’s call it a thousand inputs per second, or whatever it is. Right? Right. It’s sensing all of these things. And so I would say like, even if they’ve been out for 20 plus years, or the basic concept, you gotta think that these, these sensors are high speed lots and lots of inputs Yes.
Per second. Much more sensitive than they ever used to be. And the processing time is much faster. So this, this samples that movement roughly about that same, about a thousand times per second. Wow. So what that does is it makes the, the relative movement of your image, not, not, not herky jerky. It’s very, very smooth. ’cause it’s making little teeny tiny corrections, a very fast speed. So some of the products that are out there now, you’ll see, I mean, you’ll get some latency or you’ll get some, some floatiness to the image. Yeah. So if you, you move it really quickly, it just, it’s a little slow to start and then it catches up and then it’s slow to stop. Yeah. So you get some floatiness, this is doing it so quickly that any floatiness that would exist is almost imperceptible. It’s really, really smooth. Wow. If
It’s a job a thousand times per second, I mean, just compare that. That’s crazy. Videos 24 to 30 frames per second Right. Video we watch all the time. Right.
So, so it’s imperceptible. Yeah. Yeah.
It’s so much faster.
Yep. So in, in the, you know, there’s, it’s, it’s got some, it’s, it’s our optical system, right? It’s essentially the same similar optical system to what’s in the A-T-C-S-T-C. The A TXS, T-X-B-T-X. It’s that it’s got soro vision, which is our field flattening technology. It’s got olive of that. We left nothing on the table as far as optical quality goes. Because
A lot of times people would say, well, with an EL range, is that the best glass? Well, no, the ML sure is because we’re, we’ve got coatings, different coatings and things like that. You’re saying that’s not the case.
Sometimes you have to make some compromises, right. To make it, make it do what it needs to do. So there is one additional lens element in here compared to those other optics, but which, which theoretically would reduce the, the light transmission a tiny bit. But it’s not enough to even, you don’t even,
Well, I would tell you what I notice when we actually put ’em side by side by side. So we have this, let’s call it the ST balance, the at balance, and then the A TC side by side by side. And I, and I get these are slightly larger, right. That that’s got a 65 millimeter objective on the A TC. Right? Correct. Or excuse me, the at balance. And, and so when we had ’em side by side by side, we were out at the shooting event. Tennessee was awesome event everybody there. It’s really good dudes, by the way. Anyway,
It’s a great industry. Anyway,
We were all, it was just an awesome industry. So anyway, we were all sitting there and let it get dark. We let it get dark. And we were looking at a thousand yard targets with elk and caribou, and they had ’em cut out on the metal cutouts had points, individual little points, like on a caribou. Yeah. And so we knew what we were looking at and that that, that at balance because of the, and, and I’m assuming maybe like you’re talking about a SW vision, 65 millimeter objective. All, all of the things, there was no, it was clearer than a non stabilized comparative Yeah. To, to, yeah. Now, now what you are getting with a at TC or an STC is, is it’s gonna be lighter for, it’s gonna be a little, a lot more
Compact. You pay a little bit of a weight penalty here. So for example, the A-T-C-S-T-C is about 32 ounces, 32 33 ounces. This is closer to 51 ounces. The at the at balance is closer to 51. And the ST balance got a little smaller objective lens, which is, which reduces the weight a little bit. And that’s closer to 45 ounces. But,
But side by side by side. That was a, that had a better clearer picture.
Yeah. Got a little more horsepower
With that. And you could and you could use it five minutes longer Yeah. Than say, yeah, makes sense. Irregular at TC. Yep.
Yep. It makes sense. The, the, you know, the image stabilization, of course everybody knows there’s a market for it, right? If the, our competitors that have stabilized binoculars out there, sold piles of them. Everybody likes the technology. Everybody thinks it’s pretty cool. As cool as it as it is in a binocular at those magnification levels, at these magnification levels, like 45 power. It’s so impressive. Yeah. Like you can literally handhold 45 power and read road
Signs. Well, we just did it, right? Yeah. We just did it. Yeah.
Reading road signs just in the parking lot. What, 2000 yards away kind of deal. Reading
2000, reading the
Straight side.
Yeah. And, and up there on the hill, you, you guys saw all the little junipers and you can glass it under each one of ’em. Like you can sit there. Yeah. What I like, I I was surprised. So I’m a, I’m a straight scope guy when after dealing with it a the larger objective. So what was the objective again? On the straight? It’s a 50. A 50 Yeah. Versus a 65.
Yeah. The straight’s a 14 to 35 by 50, and the angle is 18 to 45 by
65. Yeah. So a little higher power. Yep. And then also a bigger objective. Yep. And I’m, I’m generally don’t like the angle spin scope. We already know this, right? Yeah. That is, we talked about Jason on I’m on here. Right. I’m on your same team. Well, you’re not on our team. No angle
All
The way. And so anyway, but switching teams Okay.
On this particular product. On this particular product. Okay. Because you can hold it into your body more. Yeah. It’s not like, it just feels better. You’re not just hold your arms up here, just at some point you’re tired of it. Yeah. But when they’re down to your body, you know, you’ve got more strength and, and whatnot. And so anyway, just having it into your body plus the power plus the objective. Yeah. I just feel like there’s three pluses Yep. In indifference to this. Now this might pack in your, in your pack just a little bit better because it’s straight for sure. Right. And it doesn’t have the kink in
It. And for Yeah. And for handheld, like we’ve slimed that middle of that down kinda like an NL binocular. Yeah. So that, so it’s more
Yeah. It’s more ergonomic. Yep. Yep. And so, yeah, I think either way there’s a place for both of ’em. For sure. But absolutely. I’m telling you, so what shocked me this was, this is the product that I thought was an absolute waste for western hunters. When I first went out there, I’m like, this is the product I do not need. And when I walked away, I’m like, this is the product I absolutely need, need that I thought I didn’t need. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there’s some things we just know we’re excited about. Yeah. We’re, we’re excited about higher powers we’re excited about. I’ve always teased him about doing a straight BTX. Like when you have binos, do you know of another kinked bino? You know what I mean? So I just like a straight bino. Yeah. And so I want a straight BTX. Of course. That’s probably never gonna happen. No. Right. Kobe?
No. Never gonna happen. Okay.
Five years down the road.
No.
So, so anyway, you know, it’s just kind of one of those things. I was like, I don’t, this isn’t something I need. You can throw a digi scope adapter, throw your phone on there, and we were videoing each other shooting at a thousand yards. That’s amazing. Holding, holding
It in your hand. Holding
It. And so that just kind of tells you as you’re listening, if you, whoever’s listening is interested in this, it just tells you about the stabilization on it. Yeah. Everybody there and, and we’ve got a video that’s gonna come out with this on the 25th. Shows you, everybody there was videoing with it and had no problems. Now is it locked down like our, on our max tripod or something? Not necessarily, but it is not jerky movement or anything like that. Yeah. You’re not compromising, like, what you were thinking was like, it’s not like you need to put it on a spot, on a tripod to see what you’re looking at. There’s none of that. Yeah. You don’t need to do that. The only limiting factor would be you wish you had 70 power. You know what I mean? Sure. But it’s not, it’s not an a, a, a movement issue. Right. With
That. Yeah. And you know, when I first heard about it, or first started thinking about how I might use it in my hunting scenarios, I’m like, well, that’ll be great. I’ll put it on a tripod and it’ll get rid of the wind wiggle. You know, that was kind of how small-minded I was. Yeah. About it. I’m like, well, that’ll mean, or on a, on a window mount. Yeah. I can leave the truck running if it’s really cold and it won’t jiggle. Yeah. You
Know, a diesel truck. Yeah.
A diesel truck. Yeah. And it won’t jiggle. It does that, it does both of those things very well. You put it on a tripod and it’s, it’s fantastic. Yeah.
Yeah. You can afford to have a lighter tripod.
Yeah, you can. Yeah. And get away with a little bit more, a little bit lighter of a little lighter duty tripod or a taller tripod
And have a little more wind shape.
Yeah. But my man, I put it on a tripod and used it for about 20 minutes, took it off the tripod and never put it back on. Yeah. I, you know, I, I, the same with the window mount. Yeah. I just hold it in my hand
Thing about like, just picture antelope, which I know Wyatt, you, you, you’re a connoisseur. Got my attention. I’m a con, I’m a connoisseur. John, you’ll kill
Anything. Yeah. Yep.
Gie bear, he’ll kill anything. Maybe not. I would, I
Bears don’t have horns. I like horns,
Including juice boxes. I
Would kill juice boxes. Start applying these to Halina hunt. I listen.
So I’m just saying though, what, just imagine if you’re, you’re rolling through high numbers a game, you know what I mean? Or you just want something quick. You can just look at it, move, look at it. Move. Yeah. Think about putting on a window mount, which I love window mounts. I I love tripods. Like we were raised with tripods. We’ll never get rid of a tripod. Sure. There’s always a need for that. Yep. You know, if you’re hunkered in for three hours or you’re gonna watch a bull and he’s sitting there bedded and you’re gonna, and your job is to make sure that you know, when he stands up, you’re, I mean, you’re not gonna handhold that for three hours. No. You’re gonna use a tripod. Correct. But man, this has its place. It
Certainly does. It’s
Speed. It’s the speed and accuracy identifying your target. Moving on.
Yeah. Speaking of antelope punting, I tagged along on an antelope punt a couple weekends ago in Montana. And the, you know, we would, we would crawl up to a vantage point and look at the herd at 1800 yards or whatever. And then they would all turn to me and go, what are we looking at? And I’d pull my little pirate scope up, you know, and be like, there’s two bucks in there, one’s pretty good or whatever. And I was doing that at two, two miles. Wow. Wow. Handheld without having to put a tripod up and get up higher No. Or any of that stuff. So it was, it, it was, it was really, it was really impressive in that scenario.
Yeah. I was in Colorado two weeks ago with a similar situation. There was so many deer, I couldn’t classify ’em fast enough. And I’ve, when I was setting up a tripod, they were getting into the trees before I could classify ’em. Having this, there would’ve been an absolute game changer. ’cause I could have seen not only that they had horns or didn’t have horns, but definitely could have put at least most of the points on him at the distances I was looking at. Yeah.
Freehanding, I would say he is a rookie though. Wyatt, wouldn’t you like you and I,
We would’ve had it. We had it covered.
It’s, it’s part of being old. Yeah. Right.
Experience.
It’s a young man’s game over there.
Not
Something you’d understand.
It’s true though. The speed and accuracy of, of all of that. So, so at the, this is the way I look at products is you buy ’em if, if, if it’s gonna cost you an animal not to have it, you should have it. Yeah. I, I tell Jan, Hey, it’s gonna cost me an animal. We don’t have choices. You can’t argue with that. You can’t. You can’t. Except for then she’s like, where’s the bacon? Like, why wouldn? Why are we having all these empty tags, the tags that aren’t un punched?
What was the thing that cost you
Tags in the freezer? Carter?
My choices. Oh, I do. I put, I’ll put ’em in the freezer. I have no problems with that.
You know, another, another example of how, how to use it in the field. A couple of coworkers of mine just got back from a co deer hunting Arizona. And if you’ve done that before, which I’m sure you have, you either set two tripods up, one for your binoculars, one for your, your spotting scope, or you have to do the whole, take the binoculars off, put the spotting scope on once you spot something, it was really quick when they spotted a deer to just grab it, look at it real quick, handheld, put it back down and move on. Right. Without having to set up a second tripod,
No one switch. What you’re looking
At that fast much. Yeah. You can see enough that
Fast. Now we need a, we need a spotter of 70 power on a tripod. That’s, that’s a big deer or whatever. Yeah.
Right, right, right. You know? Yep.
Yep. One thing I worry about, like being a straight guy, is this with the angle? Like, is that target acquisition just getting used to, where am I looking? You know what I mean? Like a little bit versus just having this
Straight. Yeah. And I’ve run into that a little bit with this because I don’t normally hold a spotting scope in my hand. Okay. Right. So yeah, on a tripod, you set it up and look at it from the side. I’m like, okay, I’m, it’s pointing down range. Yeah. This, you know, you’re, you’re holding it. So I’ve, I have struggled a little bit at first to kind of find what I’m looking at, but I use an angled body scope most of the time anyway. And so it’s a pretty steep learning curve. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Pretty interesting. Pretty awesome. So, well,
I’m think COVID had brought up earlier in the conversation I hadn’t really thought of was the, for digi scoping, the take the jerkiness outta your tripod as you’re following moving animals. So yeah, that was pretty interesting to me. I didn’t, one thing I never thought of. Yeah.
If you’ve
Got a really follow moving game, yeah.
If you’ve got a really good fluid head, you can do that anyway. Right. But if you’ve got a really lightweight tripod, some backpacking tripod or whatever, and you’re really trying to get good video in the field, it, it, it gets rid of all of that stuff. You can pan follow moving game and it, it produces pretty good if you, if you liked it digital go, it produces pretty good video.
Well, I think everybody does. If you didn’t video, it didn’t happen. Right, right. So is every single person videoing game? Like, we’re always like, like Logan’s like, what do you think about this two by three? And I’m like, really?
Video everything still? Yeah.
Do font still in your phone?
You keep it in your phone forever too. Never delete
Your
I loved, he’s
The logo, 5-year-old video of Aon, anybody that’s pouring
Water in the gas tank, I guess I’m just always questioning everything.
Teases my dad then I was not involved. He was just the one lighting the match. Exactly.
Did you hear this
Podcast?
No. Oh, it, we were rolling. I’ll go back. Go back. It’s hilarious. You need
To, yeah. They, they, they tested Logan by lighting a match and putting it in the water.
3, 6, 8, I think.
Oh my gosh. It was
3 5 8. That’s the last time
A Darwin
Make it ups you’re eligible for the Darwin award. Something like that. I’m
Hearing alive, obviously. I’m
A little smarter.
Well, anyway, so yeah, I think this is a product that I think is absolutely made for everybody. Not just backpackers or something like that. Although, there you go. You could, you could, you know how archery hunters especially are concerned about weight. You could go in the field with one of these and not take a, a tripod. Yeah,
For sure. Tripod weighs what, three pounds? Yeah. So you could
Totally eliminate it.
Yeah. Yep.
I have a hard time doing that. Me too. I’m still tripod. I mean, you know, I wanna know exactly what I’m looking for. But you could do it could do it. You could take a, a pair of bis a pair of twelves, let’s call it a, you know, a pair of twelves or probably a pair of twelves. You can hand hold twelves and you could take the stabilized and you would go in the field without a tripod. Yeah. It’s kind of, it’s, it’s going against the grain of what we are trained here in the west. But I’m telling you, we were out there holding it. You, you all would’ve been able to judge deer at 1700 yards or whatever that hill is.
You think about like archery, elk, running gun, archery elk. A
Hundred percent. It’d awesome. You would not take a tripod.
You could totally take this, find a bull, find a bowl, 800 yards, handhold and shaky, whatever. Pull this out. Yeah. You don’t, you’re running a gun and you’d want cut weight anyway. So this would be a,
I’d say Pan pengu, you’re up there on Pengu. Yeah. You know, it’s a lot of thick country. You’re not glassing like four miles in gen, generally speaking. There, there are places you can do that, obviously.
Right. There’s
Places, but there’s a lot of places you would just be like, you’ll just jam it in your pack and walk,
Start walking. Exactly. Yep.
A lot of times if you are on a backpack style, 145 power, it’s gonna be plenty to to Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Know what you’re looking at. Yep, yep.
You could throw your scope on there, throw the 45 and then zoom in your, excuse me. Throw your phone on there. Your phone on, on the scope. Zoom it in and then zoom in your phone too. Yeah. You’re gonna, you’re gonna know what you’re looking at. Yeah.
Yep. I would argue if, if you’re gonna do that, take, get eights no twelves. If you, now you’re talking Yeah.
Eight, 10
Eights are you’re talking
My lovely, now you’re talking because then you, you can acquire it. You don’t have a lot of shake and then you can switch to this. It would be
Amazing. I’ll tell you what, I never, I guess if we’re gonna talk about that for just a second, just just the field of view. I never gave field of view enough credit. Yeah. I just cannot believe when you’ve got a little bit lower power, but high quality glass, being able to see the, an entire hillside, it’s amazing. Roughly with just a little bit of movement. I just, I never gave that enough credit this last go around when I was in Colorado. I mean, it was a big deal. I just started noticing field of view. I had high power bins, regular power, low power. I, I mean, I have a whole double, literally
The whole set. Oh dude. I collect
Them. Twelves, fourteens, o other, other brands too. ’cause you just want to compare. And then I’ve got my BTX and then STX and all, all the things. All the things. Small, small, you know, all the
Things. Compact. Compact. And you still can’t fill a tag.
That might, that might be my problem. I see a deer and I can’t decide what to look at it with, hold on John. I gotta get in the back seat to pull out this perfect set of 10 and a half by 50 twos thumb
Through the optics and figure
Out I do have 10 by 50 twos. I mean, there’s not abin. I feel like I don’t have,
I love it. Well, we’ve talked about, I I use eights. Yeah. I use an eight power binocular. And I, I don’t feel like I’m missing anything. Yeah. And I, the first time I ever went co deer hunting, the guy I was with had a pair of eight, eight by 32 ELs. And they put those on a tripod and he saw every deer on the mountain, which
Is funny. So I tell Adam, I’m like, I wanna be able to put these on a tripod. And he’s like, what? And, and you just don’t understand, like, I’ll tell you. So I had a group of guys, we were in Colorado and I had a group of guys, I don’t know why we’re talking about aids, whatever, whatever. I had a group of guys and they were, and they, they noticed this came up, Hey, we wanna check out the epic tripod and this and that. And I’m like, all right, and by the way, have you seen this? And by the way, have you seen this? And we started pulling out optics and I said, I want you to look through my eights. And they’re like, I mean, they didn’t wanna touch ’em. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? It’s kinda like, I wanna be seen with these because eights never won the west. Yeah. You know, tens won. The west twelves are starting to win the west fourteens you always have to have. And so anyway, the guy sheepishly put ’em up to his eyes and he’s like, holy crap. Yeah. You can’t tell the difference between eight and 10. No.
You cannot tell if you did a Pepsi challenge with somebody, they would never know what they’re looking to. Yeah. But you can absolutely see a difference in field
Of view on the field of view. Yeah, for sure. And field of view, maybe we talk about field of the importance of field of view just a little bit.
Yeah, for sure. And usually you, you’ll trade one of the, one of the really impressive things about, about our soro vision package, one of the things that we were able to figure out is usually you trade field of view for eye relief and eye relief is how far from this lens your eye needs to be to make a good picture. And normally, if you have really long eye relief, you have a very small field of view. With our UA vision technology, we’ve actually figured out a way to have both, you have both really long eye relief so it’s comfortable to use or you can use it with glasses on
And still have,
And still have wide field of view. I, I prefer to have a wide field of view because I don’t, first of all, I don’t move my optic as much of, so let’s say I put my eights on a tripod, I can see more without touching them. I can see a bigger swath of country without touching him. So I don’t have to move them as often. So, you know, when you’re moving them, you can’t see anything anyway. So I can look at more country without moving them. I, I feel it feels less claustrophobic. It’s like it pushes the edges of your field of, of what you’re looking, looking at out a little bit. So it’s a little more immersive of an image and I don’t feel like I miss much. Yeah.
And then you said the human eye is made for an eight?
Yeah. Eight. An eight power is, is is the optical ideal for the human eye? Yeah. The eight by 42 is the, is the golden ratio. That’s the perfect ratio for, for, for the human eye.
So then I decided I’d need another pair of eight. So I got the eight EO ranges. Yeah. And so when we’re talking about putting ’em on a tripod, I don’t know if maybe we should delete this part or not, but you can
Easy,
They can be retrofitted to be able to attach to a tripod. They
Can can, and mine have not been yet, and I know yours have been Mine
Did, because I talked to you made it, may it happen And I got ’em back and they’re in my office.
Yeah. I’ll get, I’ll get there. I haven’t, I didn’t wanna put ’em down during the hunting season. So
Yeah. Anyway, it’s pretty, pretty fun stuff to talk about. Yeah. And, and, and it does get a little bit technical and at some point you just wanna go in the field and start hunting. Sure. And I get it. Yep. But having the best optics for what you’re doing, I think’s important. So you can’t have too many
Optics. Yeah. And we’re getting to the, we’re getting to the point where with optical design, it’s hard to do much different. You know, like you’re, you’re bound by the laws of physics. Right. It’s, it’s light, the way the light moves through glass and all of that stuff. Really what you can do is you can add electronics Yeah. To, you know, to increase the functionality or whatever. So one of the objections to a but optic that you know now is not just an analog optic, it has some electronic function to, it is battery life. Right. What happens when the battery goes dead? What happens when the battery goes dead is you just have a fantastic spotting scope without image stabilization. The battery is rechargeable battery, it’s got about a 12 hour use. Use continuous use continuous. Yep. So it’s got,
Probably got two or three days
Or four days. Yeah. I, when I used it in Montana, antelope pun, I used it for two days and didn’t even charge the battery. I never turned it off. The, the, it has a sensor, it knows if it’s being jostled or not. So if it doesn’t, if it doesn’t detect any movement for a while, it’ll kind of go into a low power mode to save the battery. And then as soon as you bring it up, it, it comes right back up. The stabilization comes right back up. But you for sure can use it without stabilization. But the battery life is long enough to be useful and it’s, you know, the battery comes out to recharge it so you can hot swap it, throw another battery, and get a spare battery and go for several days. People a spare battery people. Yep. Yep.
One thing I want to talk about a little bit is what we experienced out here. A you’ve dropped one. Okay. Yep. So, yep. So we’ve got Colby here, you know, besides that unlimited s swallow points that he has, he gets to drop whatever he wants,
Right? Yeah. I dropped, I dropped it on the concrete from, from from my head. High.
Didn’t lose your job, which isn’t Yeah. Didn’t lose
Your job. My head high. Not standard size.
Oh. So let’s, so I’m
A front size foot, so yeah, I dropped it from about three feet
On size. Thank you. Front size.
Yeah. So I dropped, I dropped one of these on the ground. So it has one of the downsides to, to physical stabilization or electric. Electric stabilization. Electronic stabilization in, in an optic is, it’s a little bit fragile can be. So we talked about those, those first binoculars you could get 20 years ago. Some of those were so fragile that you just, just during normal use, they would, they would, that floating lens would come out of place and you’d have to send ’em off to get ’em fixed. When this system is armed or electrified, that lens essentially is floating in there. It’s not con not physically connected really to anything. It’s, it’s gotta be able to move around. And so if it gets dropped, if this type of stabilized optic gets dropped while it’s turned on, usually that’s a catastrophic failure. This has an accelerometer in it, so it senses if it’s going to be, if it’s being dropped, it senses it and shuts itself down and locks down immediately. So by the time it hits the ground, everything’s locked down solid and it should survive. It. Mine, the electronics were fine in mine. The glass was all fine in, in mine that I dropped and I dropped it on the concrete, well in asphalt from about maybe four and a half feet high off the top of a suitcase in the backseat of my pickup truck. And all it did was kind of mash the front objective edge a little
Bit. So, but still, you could still use
It. Still usable. Yeah, still usable electronics were fine. Pretty awesome. Yeah. So I wanted, I expected to look down and see it in pieces when I
Yeah. I want, so, so when we were out here, you were like, listen to it. Oh yeah. And we were all quiet. Right. And you dropped it and just, just caught it. Yeah. Within six inches or whatever it went click, click and it locked. Yeah. I almost wanna do that while we’re sitting here. Can we do that and like hear it? Like what if I put my mic up next to it? I don’t know if you’d hear it. I think so let’s try it. Hold it above your head and drop it right in front of your face so it, you catch it right by your mic.
You’re giving it to me. You want me to do it? Yeah.
Well, you know, you break it. Listen, listen, listen. There you go. You pick it up. Yeah. Do it again. Yeah, do it again. So that you’re, you’re letting it drop three, four inches.
Yeah. It’s not dropping far.
Yeah. And it’s locking. That’s locks.
Locking it lock. Yeah. It locks itself down. Pretty awesome. Yeah. Button on the rear to activate the stabilization, you press it for a couple of seconds and it turns on. It also does is a battery indicator. That light is, and I, I forget how many times each blink means what? But does it change
Color or
Stay green? It’s, it’s either red or green. It goes to red When, when I drop it, it goes to red and shuts itself off. I think when the battery gets super low, it may, it may go to red, I’m not sure. But the charger itself, when you put the battery in the charger, it actually indicates how much charge’s left on the battery. So, awesome. It’s just a little tiny charger. So that’s what I do is just drop it in there and look and go. It’s still full for tomorrow or whatever, but I, I would think two batteries that get you through a four day hunt, no problem without, you just
Don’t look through a spotter that often. No, it probably lasts me a week or longer or something, depending on if you accidentally left it off. I think I’d still buy an extra battery. Yeah. I just love having the backup. Yeah. I don’t know. I get sick to all the crap. Have you seen the stuff in my truck? I mean, it’s orifices are full of, I got cables and chargeable items everywhere.
Get back to the camp trailer and it takes 10 minutes to plug everything in.
It does. It
Does. You gotta charge my watch every night. Gotta charge my phone every night.
I’m not doing the watch thing. It’s like now I gotta charge
My
Spotting scope. Are, is that an i I watch?
Yeah, it’s an Apple watch. Yeah.
Yeah. Is it telling you you’re good and healthy and
I don’t know. I don’t know. I know how to use it.
Pick up your knees a little higher as you’re walking.
We’re 5,600 feet. Is that close? Oh
Wow. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah, that’s what
I use it for.
Geez. Wow. That and heart rate.
Heart rate. Make sure I’m ticking. There you go.
Pretty awesome. Do you remember, like, tell, tell us about the Swarovski warranty. I can’t remember.
Yeah, the optical system on all of our products is a lifetime warranty in the US So it’s a, any, basically anything you can’t touch harm or, or, or mess with from the outside of the scope is, you know, the optical system is warranty
Lifetime preferable, you drive over it, whatever. Yeah.
That’s obviously on you. Yeah, for sure. But like the rubber armor, right. Over time, that may, that may wear smooth or you may get some dings and dents in it or whatever. That’s a 10 year warranty on that. There’s, there’s a couple of different warranties on this product because the electronics have one warranty and the battery has another warranty. I think the battery’s a two year warranty on the battery. I believe the electronics in the scope of a five year warranty. The, the, you know, I I, I was working in this industry when a lot of the range finding bins and all that stuff came out and there was kind of a perception in the marketplace where like, okay, if my, if my rangefinder part of my very expensive range finding binocular stops working,
Then I just have a big funky binocular, right? Yeah. Big heavy binocular, heavier than it needs to be or whatever. Like there was a perception that electronics couldn’t be repaired or fixed. Yeah. Because most of the electronics in your life, think about your big TV anymore. There’s no TV repair man anymore. Yeah. Your TV goes on the blink, you just throw it away and go to Costco and get another one. Yeah. We can repair this. We can, we do this in house. We build this in house. So it’s repairable, it’s a lifetime product. It’s an heirloom quality product. So the, so it’s not like when it’s out of warranty, we can’t fix it. We can still fix it when it’s out of warranty. There just may be a charge involved, a small charge. It’s never been that bad. No, it’s not bad.
Everything that I’ve gotten back looks cherry breaded out. Oh, it looks
Amazing.
Oh yeah. Yeah. I’ll That’s amazing. All wrapped and fancy. Yeah.
Well that’s one of the benefit. There aren’t that many, there aren’t that many true optics manufacturers out there and we built this stuff in house. So it’s, that’s one of the reasons.
What do you mean by that’s always outsourced? There’s not that many oak. The outsourcing. Yeah.
Yeah. There’s a lot of brand. You’ll see, you’ll see if you look closely at a lot of different brands, you’ll see some, some products that are very similar with two different brand names on ’em. Yeah. We don’t do any of that on, on the Swarovski side. We, we build it all in-house. It’s the best way for us to control quality. So these are our designs, our prototyping, what, however you wanna look at it. Right. This is, this is designed, prototyped, manufactured, all that stuff in, in one facility in our facility. And we feel like that’s the best way to completely control the quality from start to finish. You know, we don’t make screws in springs. We have to buy some parts from some places. Of course. Of course. And we don’t make optical glass, but we grind it all in house. We buy it in raw form and grind it and coat it in house. You’ve
Been back, you’ve been back to the actual factory and all of that. Yep. Is it pretty
Cool? Yeah, couple times. It’s amazing. Yeah. It’s really cool. Is it? Yeah. Not only is it amazing from a, from a manufacturing standpoint, you know, like the, the processes and the technology and all of that. It’s an extremely amazingly beautiful place. It sits right at the foot of the Tyro Alps in Austria and it’s spectacular. Wow. And there’s some really cool stuff that, that happens. Like our one, one quick example I’ll give is, there’s a river that runs essentially through our campus and we use water out of that river. We need cold, cold, clean water in some of the processes. Right. Like we’re grinding glass. Yes. Right. We do use some of that water. We put water back into the river after we’ve used it and it goes back in cleaner than it comes out. We clean it all up and put it back in the river.
Wow. The other thing we do though is we, we pump that cold water into, into essentially radiators in the ceiling on our shop floor. And that cools the shop floor just with cold, radiant heating in the ceiling. Wow. Yeah. It’s, it’s really cool. And in the winter, the machines, the heat from the machines essentially warms the shop floor. And I say shop floor, it’s a gigantic, you know, manufacturing facility with tons of CNC machines all over the place. But little, little cool things like that. Like we have a kindergarten, a, a daycare on the campus there for people that work there with the
Stream that runs through
The stream that runs through every,
Everybody’s got life vents
With safety first. Yeah. Stocks with drought. Yeah. You know, they, they’ve got a cafeteria where you can eat for like $4 a day for employees can eat $4 a day. It’s a really cool place. Really,
Really pretty fun. Obviously environmentally controlled. Yep. You know, are you putting on whites to go in there? There are
Some clean, yeah, for sure. There’s clean rooms. There’s some parts of the factory that aren’t like, where we’re machining scope tubes and stuff like that. It’s just a big machine shop, but then you get into the assembly and all that and they’re in clean
Rooms. It’s pretty awesome. It’s really cool. You should invite us to go once.
Come on, let’s go.
You buying? No. Think it worth, I think it’d worth your money. Settle
Down,
Pump the brakes. Pump the brakes.
No, it’s, it’s really cool. And it’s, it’s easy to see when you see that qua, the quality of the, of the place where these are manufactured. It’s easy to see where this quality of our products comes from. Like it’s from top to bottom and it, all of our processes, all of our, everything in there is just top notch. Pretty cool.
Pretty awesome. Yep.
I would argue, and this could be for the guys that need something to argue with their wife about getting a new product.
It’s an investment. Like we’re looking for that. This
Is a total investment. It’s like, I bought, like recently, I sold a pair of fifteens and I sold them for more used than I paid for him new.
Yeah. Isn’t that crazy? Wow. Yeah.
Because of time and appreciation.
It’s the way it is.
Yeah. Yeah. It holds its value really, really well. It holds its value really well for
Sure it is. That’s the, it’s one of the, it’s one of the very few brands that does that. Yeah. They’re ma there’s other good brands that make great glass and we sell it. Yeah. And we, and we love ’em. We have great relationship with ’em. And there’s guys that are very loyal to certain brands Yeah. As well as Swirl. They may have multiple different brands in their truck, but Yeah. What’s, what’s that? Well,
It’s great and about, you know, where we’re at now kind of in this industry is is there’s really, there’s a, there’s really even the bad stuff now is way better than the, than the medium stuff used to be. It’s kinda like archery equipment. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like a, a really crummy bow from today is 10 times better than what we used 20 years ago. And it’s the same here. Like a lot of the Pacific Rim stuff is getting actually quite good and starting to approach some of the quality of some of our stuff. Yeah. But they’re, they’re years behind us still. They’ll never, they’ll never get there.
They’ll never,
But
It’s, it’s the one thing, you guys are very innovative. I just, I just can’t believe, I mean, if you guys, I mean you’re looking at what we’re, what we’re dealing with what maybe read off a few of the specs like lengthwise and a few things like that.
Yeah. The, the straight is 45.9 ounces. The angle’s 51.9 ounces. Yep. So you’re looking at, this is in metric, looking at about 10 and a half inches in length on, on either one. So they’re nice and compact.
I would say two very compact water bottle and a half, maybe
Same diameter. The monster. Yeah. It’s one and a half white monster.
I thought we didn’t drink Monster. I’ve had so many questions like, no, John. And by the way, John, is that your monster?
Yeah, I have one. We, we went over this, it went from two a day
Week, so we’re talking moderation week. Oh, moderation. Yeah.
Good for you. Moderation and all things.
Anyway, so here we are in the eyepiece. This is the power, this would be the focus. Yep. You can still attach it to a tripod.
It comes with an orca Swiss foot. Yeah. And the ball. Little lanyard. Lanyard. Yep.
Spot there. I, I mean this is nothing like
Yep. IUP diameter’s the same as the A TX or the A-T-C-S-T-C. So if you’ve got a digi scoping adapter that fits those, it’ll fit this.
It’s really hard to work here. Awesome.
It really is.
I could see
There’s not, it’s kind like I’ve got
Boxes in in my office that I haven’t opened yet and I’m like, oh, I just, you know what I mean? Yeah. At some point do we hunt just to use the gear?
That’s
True. Yeah. You’ve gotta justify all the gear you’ve got.
No, I just like to use the gear. So do all my hunting because of the game or am I hunting because
Yeah.
Somewhere in the middle. Yeah.
That’s pretty awesome. I mean, all makes for a fulfilling life for sure.
Well, and good gear. Good gear. No matter whether it’s this stuff or whatever, a nice rifle or good boots or whatever, it all improves your enjoyment. That’s your enjoyment in the field. It does. Like you’re, you know, there’s nothing worse than being cold and wet tired and, you know, having gear that’s failing you. So
It’s the truth. Wow. Yep. Flannel worked, you know, and yeah, old regular vinyls. My redfield whatever they were 10 by fifties. I think they were, they they worked. Yeah. I thought they were awesome. Yeah, for sure. They weren’t awesome. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so anyway, you, any takeaways? Wyatt, you, you were, you were working it over outside a little bit. Any takeaways what you felt like? Would it find a place in your truck?
It
Probably deserves a place in my truck. I mean, it’s, it’s earned its way there probably. Yeah. I was really shocked on how efficient, or I guess impressive it really is when you turn on that image stabilization, how it locks it in. And he can, like I said, read street signs at 2000 yards. I mean that’s, that’s
A lot. You’re gonna be able to tell if it’s a three 50 pole or not. Yeah, yeah. You know?
Yeah. Anecdotally, I was, my buddy’s got an elk tag, one of those hams tags in northern Utah. So we were up last weekend. I was glassing just sitting on glassing point in my truck and I could see the highway down below me, but 3.12 miles according to Onyx. And I could read the, where it says speed limit 45 or whatever. I could read that, but I’m like, am I really reading it or do I just know that that’s what it says because it’s a speed limit sign. Well, there’s another sign that I didn’t know what it said. It said slow vehicle turnout ahead. And I was able to read, you know, those five inch taller, four inch tall, tall letters. Yeah. Wow. Handheld
At three miles.
At 3.1 something miles. Yeah. Wow. Impressive. Super impressive. Yeah.
It’s wild. Yeah. Okay, so we’re talking price, price range ish in the, in the threes. Right. We didn’t crush four.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, barely. The, the angle’s just under 4 30, 9 0.99 in the straits. 38 50. Yeah.
Yep. Yep. So anyway, at the time
Of this recording, well mean always. Right.
Call here. That’s what they’re,
That’s
Right’s. If you want call in, we’d love to visit with you. So anyway, very, very tough to, they’re gonna be high demand. Tough to get.
Yeah. We’re gonna chase it for a little while. They’re, they’re slow to build for sure. Yeah. They’re highly technical product.
It’s kinda like that one 15 objective. I was like, what’s the deal with the one 15? And you were like, you don’t understand. They’re like losing money trying to make that giant
Lens. Yeah. There’s a lot of waste with that lens. It was, it’s we’re building that lens. Now we’ve got it figured out better. But we were, we started off by building that lens on a machine that was never meant to build a lens that, that size.
So it just took forever to get it right.
Yep, it did. Yeah. There’s a lot of, a lot of waste. But one thing I’d like to touch on if I can Yeah. Is that, you know, we haven’t showed this to very many people. You guys of course got a sneak peek of it and all that stuff, but I get a lot of questions about when’s the buy now coming? Right?
I didn’t know. We could go there.
We can go there. There’s two answers though. And one’s an easy one and one’s kind of a complicated one. Which one would you like?
Well, I know we rambled about it, so five years from now you
Probably talk about it,
But for right now, no.
Okay. We’re always working on new stuff. That’s the easy answer.
I know it’s coming,
You know, I don’t even know if it’s coming.
But you need to listen. I know. I need
To listen a little more closely. Yeah, so if you look at this, if you compare this to like the, the a TC from a, you know, from a price, but very similar optical optical system and it, this adds about $1,500. The stabilization adds about $1,500 to the price pretty close. So extrapolate that to a binocular, we’re not gonna make you
Got an expensive buy now.
We’re not gonna make a crummy one if we make one. You’re
Trying to to decide, I I’m sure if I’m, if I’m ua I’m trying to decide what the market can bear.
Yeah, for sure. It is like if we made one today, it would be, let’s say $6,000 and be shaped like a sign me up. Shaped like a shoebox. Right. We’re we got, we’ve got some room to go before we get the miniaturization and the design down to the point where we can put it in a binocular and still make it binocular shaped. Yeah.
You know? That makes sense.
So we’re not there yet.
All Well, I love it. I like new products though. Oh. Especially from sw. I’m geeking
Out. Yeah. It’s just so awesome.
Loie Bear.
I love it.
We we’re, we’re gonna have to start docking his wages, just putting it a little savings.
Can we do that a little? It’s like a retirement fund, but it’s just my optics fund. Just a vinyl fund. Percent
Whatever. Whatever you want. You wanna sign like another two years that where you can’t go anywhere? Or,
And then you’ll just give ’em to me for free.
It’s possible.
Five years.
Nothing’s free.
Really? You’ll give us five.
Depends on how much free I’m getting. I’m not going anywhere.
No. Logan is always in negotiations. Oh, he’s always up for a good
Deal.
He is. Yeah. I’ve
Told Logan if I can get him to spend his whole paycheck at our store every week,
That, that would be my goal. Gets. He does
A great job.
Pretty soon we got grocery delivery. Jana, will you call Walmart and have it delivered to Logan South Wild. We got him locked in. We gotta pay his food.
These are great ideas I’m in.
So they’re writing
’em down out a year to the contract. Every time you come up with an idea like that, this
Is all also Logan. Why don’t you tell us about the little betting scheme you got going? What app do you use?
Oh, thei is awesome.
Logan’s lost some money on the Jeffrey
Epstein files. I did. I lost, I was convinced that the Epstein files were not gonna to get released the next day after I put money on it. Trump found out 50 bucks, let him out. Really? So I want a unanimous vote
Now. You’re at what, 3% of of, of winning.
I lost all that money. You did
Lose it.
Yeah. ’cause they canceled it. ’cause the house voted unanimously, so. Oh, so they’re coming. Yeah. So,
So that was done. What other money is, have you, what
Else do you bet on? Oh,
I got a little bit of money on JD Vance being the next president of the United States. Oh my.
Logan, you are the reason why we can’t have lottery tickets in the state of house.
I’m buying, I’m buying stock options on this. All legal in Utah don’t this. You buy it as stock options.
So it’s this app that buys it that you bet through stocks. I
Got it. It’s kinda
Like piring movies.
It’s awesome. Colos. It’s, it’s, this isn’t a paid promotion. It’s how we keep
The new generation broke. I love it. I mean, we, what do we know how to do this?
I have no idea.
Me neither. Once you learn, you’ll
Stop. I, I’ll bet Devin knows.
Devin did know what the app was as soon as I said it. I don’t know that he’s on there, but he’s
Privy to that kind of stuff. All right. Well, pretty awesome. Kobe. We appreciate you coming in. Yeah.
Appreciate you having me. It
Was awesome. Just love being part of the cutting edge. It’s, it’s kind of a perk of being a dealer. Having said that, we don’t get him any sooner than anyone else. Right. This is the first time we’ve had it in house. And what day is it? What the 19th We got six days and it’ll be out. And so anyway, but it is fun. And so anyway, we’ve got some, of course we’ve got some ideas. If you ever wanted to listen, take us over to the factory. We would tell ’em what we want. Sure. Yeah. Like a straight BTX stabilized straight
BTX
35. Power
Stabilized straight BTX.
How, how about this straight pair of vinyls. 35 power stabilized.
There you go.
Who’s got a pen?
I don’t think you need a pen. I think you already know we bent your ear enough. Alright. Anyway, I,
I do want to give some advice though, if you’re at all interested in getting these, get on our waiting list. Yeah. Soon. Yeah. Like just kinda
Stack up. So we do have a waiting list. Yeah. There’s nobody on it. ’cause we can’t talk about it yet.
No, but check yourself. If you hear
This, I am our first customer. Yeah. If
You hear this, you’re gonna be near the top. Yeah. Yeah.
I’m the, I am the top. I’m getting this at balance. Yeah. Can we keep
This one? No. No.
You didn’t even think about that. There
Was no
Hesitation. Zero hesitation.
He’s mean.
I’m sorry.
Not a chance.
He’s going, he’s got another dealer. You probably got four or five more dealers you gotta stop at today.
I might. Somebody taking
You to dinner at least. No,
No. He’s taking me to dinner. Oh good. What are you doing?
Well, we got some wings in the
Fridge.
Made wires sweat a little bit.
They were a little warm today.
Oh yeah.
They were warm. All right. Anyway, thanks again. Thanks for the update on what else is coming out. We can kind of read between lines.
I can neither confirm nor deny. I know
Exactly. I’m just guessing and pretty, pretty fun. Call us if you’re interested. Four, three, five two six. Three zero. 7 7 7. Epic optics. Epic outdoors. We’re gonna have ’em. We ordered heavy knowing that we’re gonna be a little bit tough to come by. Sure enough, they’re gonna be as tough as ever.
Yeah. I they’d be tough
Swallow. Always has positive thoughts when coming out with stuff. Sure. But then the demand always exceeds what you they can put
Out. Yeah. We’re always guessing, right? Yeah. We, we don’t know for sure. Especially when it’s a product that’s kind of revolutionary like this right. There, there are other products like this on the market, but nothing. There’s no angled. Nothing else that’s angled.
Anything about tariffs. How’s Trump? Is he hurting us or is he All right? We’re
At a 15% tariff on European goods. Okay. Yeah. It’s, it’s, it is what it is.
It is what it
Is. Yeah. We had to take a little bit of price increase Yeah. In September. But
I’d pay it though. Yeah. I mean, I’m, I’m, we’re supporting Trump, right? Yeah. So it just is what it is. It’s the hunting industry and that’s what we do. Worth it. Hashtag worth it. But anyway, off we go. You got anything else for us? Boss? Huh? Me? Yeah.
No, nothing. Buy one. Get your eyes in
One. One. You, you want us to?
I may or may not be second on the list. I don’t know.
We’ll
See if Adam beats me there. I’m
Second. So you can’t be second. Adam’s not
Here. Hey, then I’m third. I’ll give John the second. Second
Spot. See, and anybody can use the excuse. Buy one. You need to sell it. You’re gonna make money. Oh yeah,
That’s right. Yeah. Early breakeven.
All right. Okay. All right. We appreciate it. Of course, we’re gonna come out with everything on social as well as a little video clip of of us using it and kind looking through it, talking about it. All the specs and everything will be out on the 25th. Right now it’s 19th, so we got a little bit of time. You don’t know that ’cause you don’t even know we’re recording it at the moment, but hey, gotta keep it in the back of my mind so I don’t spill beans too early and get in trouble. Could you imagine SWA got mad at me? Yep. And Trump would have to pardon me maybe. But anyway. Hey, he’s been pardoning some people, so whatever. I might be on list. You might make it. Never know. All right. Thanks everybody.
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