In this episode, we discuss application information for the states and species we cover in our January 2026 magazine, Wyoming sheep, moose, goat, bison and elk, along with Arizona elk and antelope. John and Jason also share their experiences hunting late season Colorado deer, as well as Jason and his daughter Ashley’s Oklahoma Whitetail hunt.
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Hey everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, John Peterson, Logan, everybody. How are you guys doing?
Good. Good, good.
I like it. All right. Here we get started. We, Bronson, we just got done. And John, of course you are a major part of it. John, why is it that you like to work from dark to daylight?
There’s less interruption, so you’re by yourself. I don’t know. I, I seem to be the guy who fixes everything when someone
Can’t During the daylight hours.
Yeah, during the daylight hours. So anyway. Yeah. Less interruption.
Kind of funny. Adam and I are like, I mean, we, trust me, we’ve been here. Plenty of dark to dark, but the day, the dark, the dark to daylight is interesting with you. So anyway,
January mags at the
Printer. John’s John’s the art director. So he deals with all the digital side of it. So
Sometimes, look, I joke that I’m like the little elf that makes the shoes at night. Oh, I get all the content by the end of the day and by the next morning it’s done.
Yeah, it’s just done. And Adam, it’s a magic magazine magazine.
Ho ho ho
Santa the closet. You guys hear that little joke about the magic like carpet and the magic laundry basket and all the, you know, oh, I have magic laundry baskets. The, the magic coffee table. Well, you put dirty clothes in ’em and then all of a sudden they end up in closet clean. How does this happen? It’s semantic laundry. S basket. Yeah, it’s a laundry ferry. And there’s a food ferry and there’s a dish ferry and there’s all of these things in John, you, you, you are the, that brought this up. How come there’s not? And so my wife needs to talk to you. I’d rather
Than a ferry though.
Come’s
Not a broken truck, Perry.
Yeah, good point bro. We need the, Hey, there, there is. That’s your wife
Has one of those. We drop off
The truck, we drop off the truck. The truck magically gets
Fixed Credit get credit card out and it gets fixed. Yeah,
Exactly. They always wanna see this little square card. But anyway, Hey nevertheless, it’s fixed and it’s the best truck I’ve ever owned. John. Best truck you’ve ever owned. Right?
Best truck I’ve ever owned.
Logie Bear. For some reason he wants to dive into all the truck repairs. Yeah. One day maybe.
Anyway, good times. So, yeah, we did, we covered, we put out a January magazine. January, 2026. Can you guys believe it was 2026 already? No. Do you remember when we were little kids? Kay, this goes way back, Logan. This is back when you weren’t even probably an egg yet. No way. Yeah. Weren’t even a thought. Okay. So, but way back in the day, we were gonna have like private little aircraft, you know, you would go to the store land like hovercraft and all that. They were predicting that back when we were little kids. Do you guys remember flying
Cars?
Yeah. Like flying cars. Yeah. And so anyway, that never happened. You know, where’s that? But Trump’s working on some hover stuff. Or Elon, who knows? Maybe with the help of Trump and Elon, the dream team, we’ll come up with something. I don’t know. But here we are, 20, 26. Everything’s just still the same. Gotta get your money and your food by the sweat of your brow still, I don’t know, still have to work. I mean,
I guess in some places they’re delivering groceries.
Oh yeah. By air. So, so you’re talking or even like we’re
Progressing to your doorstep, you mean? Yeah,
They got drone deliveries in certain areas. Yeah. Now
There’s gotta be a waiver. Restric they
Like drone they were working on with UPS to drop packages with drones and stuff like that. Is that a thing? Yeah.
Yeah. I think it’s a thing in, probably in the big, big cities. I mean here it’s not gonna,
Where traffic’s a problem.
You’ll have to look at Chad Orrock or
Whatever. I don’t know about Minorville.
You deliver over bur you’re getting shot down. Yeah.
Trust me. They don’t get packages
By air. You start, you start
Hing around London or Newcastle or
There.
Yeah. There’s some prepper that’s gonna dump you.
They’re
Gonna practice on, on some things.
The porch pirates. Don’t wait for it to get to the porch. Yeah,
Exactly. So anyway, we covered elk. An antelope in Arizona, Wyoming. Sheep, moose, goat, bison, elk is, well Bronson, that was unique. We had to cover the Wyoming stuff because they, it’s thick.
Yeah, they, it’s a thick magazine. A lot of stuff.
It is. And we had to do every unit in with some of those, even though they may not pertain to non-residents because they might make a change in April.
They’ve done that the last couple years in mid-January or February switched out some non-resident units for sheep and moose and goat. Yeah. So we decided to cover ’em all and double check as things go on. You gotta tell April 30th to apply who would apply in January anyway because they’re gonna hold your money for those three species. You know what I mean? I don’t know.
They like, they like to hold it. They want you to apply or, and then amend later, you
Know? Well you can, but you’re gonna be out, you know, 6, 8, 10 grand throw bison on there. Call it 12, call it even 12.
Ugh. Yeah. So anyway, we did cover ’em all, but then we also put a little caveat in there as you know, check the hunt planner to, just to verify that that is gonna be available. I don’t know, you’d think Wyoming, we can make plans in advance just not wanting to deal with all the questions. But that’s not the case so
Far. Well they, they’ve always loved to be the first non-resident elk application. Even though they don’t draw till May
And now they’re behind the Idaho general. Yeah.
And exactly. They’re gonna move it up to November 30th. Oh next year maybe let’s have it maybe. So it’s kind of slightly frustrating ’cause they will often add hunts for elk type nines or split it type ones and twos or they’ll change seasons out outright and you won’t know about it. And yeah. All of a sudden if you don’t watch their hump planter and, and reg regs get passed in April, you’re applying for a hunt that you know, you can’t hunt the archer hunt now, you
Know. Good point. Why can’t everybody be like Arizona? They never have a fee change. I don’t know. How does Wyoming,
You know, you know
Everybody hates Arizona’s draw.
But you said that the world’s
Like what? I know, but I’m just saying, I mean to change is just not even in the
Cards they go, don’t go up 3 cents on anything.
No.
For the last 10 years probably. Right?
No, no. Yeah. For so long. Yeah. In fact we should look that up.
No, no they might, they might hear us talking and say they’re right. That’s trigger an increase.
No,
I mean Carter, let’s just,
I don’t
Logan cut this. We’re cutting the whole million.
Cut this. It’s fine. Leave it. Alright.
Alright.
So anyway, the 2026 auction and special tags, we put those in there. Youth hunting opportunity, we had cash to author that one and crank through it and cash is works with Wyatt and our license application division deals with a lot of applications each and every day. As does Wyatt and Adam and I as well. Anyway, just you know, great magazine. It’s nice. I don’t know this one kind of came together. I don’t wanna say it was easy John.
It just came together
Like a magic
Like elf. It’s like a like a magazine
Fairy Adam. And I know how we know, we know the part we played. I just, the part you played might as well have been an elf or some fairy or something. But anyway, very, very aggressive. It was an angry couple of weeks that
Work. Good. Now what would you, I guess in, let’s spend a few minutes Jason, what do you think some of the highlights, you said there’s no change in Arizona, but there’s gotta be a little bit of change.
Oh yeah, always. You gotta be
Something to talk about. What do you Yeah,
They always watch
The highlights of Arizona.
They always swap out the early, like the early 1, 9 27 always swap out, you know. And so between the early rifle and the early muzzle, but it just doesn’t pertain to us
Well And it’s like the difference between an few people very rifle and a muzzle loader. We can scope scopes is really not nothing. It’s the odds are still Yeah. You know, incredibly bad.
Yep. There’s a new early rifle hunt, kind of somewhat new in in five B and Muzz or Hunt and Unit five A and a few things. Seven East had a, like an early rifle hunt they did away with an eight. They did away with that one. But just, you know, there’s some cool, they took a unit eight for antelope used to have just two muzz or seasons. They took one and made it a rifle. Like there’s I I mean there some weird little things like that. Yeah. Just some things that you wanna stay up on and
Everything. Season
Date, if you didn’t stay up on it, it would be
Monumental. Most season date wise. Just slid forward one day, right? Yeah. One day. Nothing. Yeah, I think we’re due in a year or two. Nothing crazy slide back four or five days
That those are the years. It’s kind like Utah in 2027. Yeah.
And I think, you know, Arizona archery feels like their dates are getting
Little earlier. Well it’s eptember 11th to the 24th now that’s, I mean it’s yeah.
A little earlier. Yeah.
And
You know what’s, maybe want what’s,
You know what’s interesting about Arizona I guess on moisture and antler growth and things like that is that is you want to have good heavy moisture. And we’re in these drought times and in decades it feels like, I don’t know how many years, but anyway, in this drought era, you know, we’re always counting on the moisture. Like the moisture we get, we want it to be just right timing. If it’s just right timing you can pull out of it and have some, some big animals. But anyway, they didn’t have such a bad year. It was not great. We all know this. Like, it was very tough and it looked really grim until you, and then you do get the photos submitted and, and, and I get it, you can’t tell a ton about photography anymore. Like there’s, there’s things look good, you know, but Bronson, our cover’s a 420 something inch bull. Well yeah, 4 22 and change or whatever it is.
There were some big, some big bulls killed there. Yeah. But we gotta remember the highlight reel is gonna look as good as it almost always does for 15 or 20 bulls. But collectively around the state. I mean, the rut was rough. It was, and the number of three 50 plus bulls that Arizona is known to produce on a lot of different units was way, way off. But it was without, it makes you realize a bull like that on the cover. Like
That thing is, oh it doesn’t even that does that look, it’s unbelievable. Does that look like a bull that would just come out of a flatlander unit that was su it’s susceptible to drought except exceptionally susceptible. No. You know, so anyway, and that was kind of a drifter type bull. I mean he, he know a
Long ways Pete, a lot of people hunting between archery and then dy rifle until he got killed.
Pretty fun. I mean that’s a, that’s an absolute big, big governor bull. Not just a governor bull, you know, governor tag type bull. I mean it’s just excellent giant. And there was others, there was a, I mean some big bulls killed in weird. Yeah. I’m not saying weird. Maybe just
It’s different seasons. You wouldn’t expect
Eight late rifle. Yeah. I mean when would you ever say yes, I wanted to, I want to kill a 375 inch bull. I’m gonna apply for that. Or eighties. Yeah. And and sure enough, you know, those, those things happen. I think that’s the one thing about Arizona, we talk a lot negativity about those late seasons. ’cause we try to paint an accurate picture and manage expectations,
But that’s also where 80% of the opportunity is. You know what I mean? If, if you’re, if you’re a rifle hunter, it’s where 95% of your chance is. Yeah,
It is. When are you gonna get an early, early bull hunter
If you’re not a bull hunter? Yeah. You can put in for the dirty rifle and muzzle loaders to have a pipe dream. But realistically it’s never gonna happen to go hunting. You’re gonna have to look at late rifles if you’re a rifle hunter. And that’s just the way it is. Pick your year and do it and go deal with hundreds, so literally hundreds or three or four or 500 in some cases of tags in a certain unit. But that’s just the way it is. And that’s why they can maintain some quality is they give very few tags, they give an archery hunt and then very few early rifle, if they do in any unit, not all units have it. And then you have, you know, opportunity for what, seven or nine days in November, whatever it’s Yeah,
That’s right. And those, those late hunts, if you, unless you’re picking a unit that’s like, let’s say a unit nine, which by the way, we have a story in our magazine. A guy smashed an absolute giant on that hunt. And you and you would think, yeah, unit nine’s one of those you can’t glass, it’s tough to
Thick lay,
Feel anything good. You know what I mean,
With a not bugling. Yeah,
Yeah. And, and it does border the park, it borders reservation. Like there’s a lot of really good quality things about say a unit nine. And while why they do have exceptional bulls in quality, you know, there’s just a lot of escapement and, and, and it’s tough to kill ’em late. But, but if you were to pick, you know, units that you can glos say, you know, a 23 or eight or, you know, unit one or some of these, you know, there’s, there’s, it’s, it’s worth doing. You know, but we’re super picky. We’re, I mean, and not just were, I just think hun in general, hunters in general, just because you’re dealing with a lot of points and passion.
You gotta be realistic though, man. I mean even these hunts we’re talking about, you just rattle off not unit nine but 23 1. Some of those, they’re like 19 to 23 points to draw those.
Yeah.
It’s not like, not like they’re, you know, eight or 10 point units that that’s serious points to draw it. And you think you’re gonna wait for the early rifles that are like 27 to 30 and never gonna catch. Yeah. I mean these, some of these late hunts take a lot of points to draw. Well,
Especially like if you’re talking, let’s just say unit like unit one late was, you know, 19 points. Yeah. Like we’re talking in the now, not random, there’s a random component to it. 11 tags go randomly, 11 go to the guys that apply with the most points. And so it took at least 19. But people are waking up to that and saying, I’m gonna use ’em.
Exactly.
I want to go. Yep, exactly. And, and so they’re dealing with like, even there’s a whole cluster of units. Well we list ’em all,
The very same thing happened to the early Kai Bab techs. Remember they used to take 13 to 14 points, which is probably
What they’re worth.
And now they’re 21 or two points. Yeah. Because people realize I’m not gonna hunt the late, I’m never gonna draw. I, I, I’ve got 20 something points now I gotta hunt. And I’m 73 and a half years old. And
I was talking with one of our outfitters, we work a lot with super good guy, very knowledgeable anyway. And he talked about those extra tags given in unit 23 the last two years, including this year. So 25 and 26, you know, we’re talking a an increase of 60 tags on the late season. And the hunters are good at what they do. We have teams, everybody’s going with a group of friends or going guided or whatever. And the glass, the long range rifles, all the things, it’s gonna affect the quality. You know, it can, can’t
Not if you’re, if you, the quality we’re used to, I mean, you know, you’re still gonna be great bulls by a lot of standards, but like the standards, everybody’s kind of holds 23 too. It’s gonna have an impact.
Yeah, it will. And so, and then you’ve even got good archery hunters. So when they hunt laid archery, they’re actually, they, you know, it’s possible they’re gonna kill. I mean it’s not like a, a tag that you’re gonna have like no kills
Not like it used to be. Yeah. These, these bows are day and age and they get a hunt before the early or the late rifle. I mean, they killed some elk.
We’re even seeing that in Utah or like our late archery. It’s one of those like, don’t get very many tags and you, you are after everybody else here
In Utah, these bulls are not used to being hot. And then you get a year like this where there’s no weather hardly any snow. And you could, I mean there was a little bit, but you know, I mean it wasn’t, some years it’s really brutally cold and you got a bunch of crunchy snow everywhere this year wasn’t like that. Yeah. You could, you could walk up on stuff. Yeah. These bulls are used to their, their noses are on the ground eating, you know what I mean? They, they’re, they’re, they’re just in feed mode. So, and
Which I guess brings us to another point that eight inches of rain in Arizona Sure. Helping right now. Oh wow. Because they’re in feed mode. Oh, and they’re feeding. Yeah. They got stuff to feed on.
Well, and that’s right. You’re talking about to your moisture, you know, if we can just have a normal to good rest of winter, it’s been really warm. Extremely mild. Snow pack’s low, but, but that’s not really indicative of what our moisture situation in the southwest has been like because we’re not packing snow, but we got, we got moisture, you know. Yeah. So if we can, if we can just get the rest of it, you know, the timing. If we just have some spring, I mean this fall you can’t really say it could be any better. Hopefully it just continues this winter. Yeah. I don’t know.
My chickens are running outta water all the time. It’s so warm right now. Yeah.
And you don’t even come on and you don’t even have to break their ice in the middle.
They’re, I haven’t broke ice yet. So anyway, you know, talking about some of these tag increases also 23 north that, so on that early, early hunts, on the early hunts, like the early rifles, 23 North and 23 South are segregated. Whereas on the late, you can hunt either or wherever you want in the entire 23 unit. But they did give five the last two years. So 25 and then upcoming 26, they’re gonna give an extra five tags went from 20 to 25. That’s extra. That’s serious pressure. Each guy has got serious pressure and is gonna want to take home or will a three 50 plus bull. You just wonder about the quality that’s been kind of the, I don’t know, I don’t wanna call it the best unit in the state. ’cause Tenture produced pretty well and nine Sure does. Pretty incredible. Especially archery wise. One’s coming on, you know, one was one of those steady Eddie two decades and it’s always producing, you know, three 30 to three sixties and, and it feels like it’s taken a a, it’s surging a little bit, you know, for quality. And then, but part of it is like, well there’s a little more water there on drought years one’s, I don’t know, a little, a little bit bit drought resistant.
Little more. Just a little bit.
Yeah. But, but, but not great still, still, you know, has challenges there. But yeah, we talk about all that in the, in the publication. You know, we’re, that’s what we’re trying to do. Like everybody else is manage points, expectations and then, and then also win to hunt. Like when to go and, and make that happen and when to utilize these points and whatnot and how to do that. So anyway, I don’t know antelope, they just, Arizona antelope, they come and they come, man, I mean, what, what
Are you gonna do? Apply and forget about it. Yeah.
Yeah.
They’re about like sheep tax
Literally. Yeah. Literally. So maybe you randomly get lucky. I mean, if you look at the random odds, it’s not
Sheep
Sheeps. Yeah. They’re, you know, anyway’s, just one of those things. You take ’em when they when you can, but man, we have so many stories. I just can’t believe all of the, the stories that we have published. Just a lot of, lot of great trophy animals that hit the ground even though, you know, we were in tough years at, at times and you, you know, you wish it was better. It’s still, the end result was good and a lot of good stories. So where do you want to go next, Bronson? Well,
I guess just a quick review maybe on Wyoming before we get in, maybe talk some hunting stories. We, we talked about a little bit ago, Wyoming doesn’t come out with a set of regulations like every other state does to apply with. They have little hunt application brochure. It’s just electronic on their website shows their draw deadlines, fees, all that type of stuff. And then they, they load their hunt planner in, you know, roughly this time of year and then they can modify it up through January, which is kind of why we alluded it’s happened in the past where their preliminary release we’ve gone to print with and then they’ve changed deleted units and added units in the past. So we tried to hold off last year and cover some of it in February, some of it in January, just so we could nail it. And it still changed. So we just decided let’s put it all back.
That’s what was frustrating is when it changed. Yeah. And we were like, really? You guys updated the hump planner?
Yeah. You said you’re gonna cover, these are the units we could put in for, we cover it. Then you changed and took some out. But anyway, long story short, you have a lot of time. They, they push their, their sheep, moose goat deadline back till April 30th. And it’s also for a lot of other reasons, you know, with the 90 10 split with res non-resident tags, if, if you don’t have 24 5 plus moose points and 25 6 plus sheet points, you you’re, you’re not gonna be in the max point running more than likely this year. So if you’re not, it’s really important to see what units, if any, you’re gonna have random tags in for moose and sheep. Last year we had a few moose tags. We had one sheep tag the year before there was no sheep tags. So it also, you know, you gotta wait and see that drawing in February on their super tags.
You could generally count, count on like a moose 25 or 26 last year was one in each Yeah. Yep. On
Random. Yeah. And 38 even thrown in. Yeah. But then you gotta let the super tags get drawn in February because if those are non-residents that draw the sheep tag or the trifecta, which they’re always gonna pick a sheep and that trifecta, if one or both of those are non-residents, they, they pull those out of a non-resident quota and there therefore may not be a random sheep tag and the regular draw. So note just, you just read all the information and, and sit on the moose, sheep and goat stuff for a while. Yeah. Just, just have it there. Know it, know it’s there. Don’t get too preoccupied about picking your unit yet. If you’re a max point holder and you’re playing it, yeah. Talk to, talk to us, talk to some outfitters about your sheep or moose unit. Your strike within striking distance on, we can let you talk with them on it still will be important in my opinion in April to watch the tag permit numbers, get a passed, anything that’s gonna slightly go up or down. Even one non-res tag, more on a sheep unit, you know, going from one to two or two to three or something could, could really sway your odds if you’re a max point guy, 26 or seven point sheep guy. Okay. Regarding elk, you know, there’s not a lot, there are some stuff that changes. They can split units from a type into a type one and a type nine, like I alluded that happened has happened in the last few years.
Oh, it happened in unit 23.
Yeah. So you could apply for a unit like that or other units and then find out, you can’t archery hunt it with a type one tag after you’ve drawn the tag. So the good thing about the elk, I mean you do have to apply for it by February 2nd, but you do happen to until May 8th to amend your application, which
Is so funny.
Or pull it all out, you apply like,
Let’s call it the end of January, but first part of February and then you sit for a month. I know through until May. You can make, you can make changes. They
Really should just move that the res just, just let us apply. Just like the deer, elk and antelope. I don’t know why they are, they’re Wyoming’s always wanted to be the first non ren elk state to open. It’s always the way they wanna do it.
Probably making a few bucks maybe.
But I mean, you’re still gonna get points from people in the summer, you know, you have to, they have to do that. So anyway, they just, but this is what you do. You apply now you sit around and wait for three and a half months or whatever till they approve the permit numbers you have up till May eight to amend your unit or pull your application completely results 20.
And if we were, if we were to wait until this final permit numbers come out, you like, you cannot put it in print. You don’t even have time to put out a magazine. No, exactly. So that’s another reason we just, let’s just do it. Here’s
The cop, you know, roughly 50 ish units in the state, you know, plus the generals, you know, we cover a lot of units, a lot of great options in Wyoming. Wyoming, elk are doing really, really good. You’ve got a lot of options in high desert, high prairie type units,
General options,
Easy, easy country without wilderness or grizzlies or all that. Now generally those units are really hard for to draw. Everybody wants to hunt elk and sagebrush, you know, an easy terrain. When I say everybody, you know what I mean? Everybody can hunt that versus back country or wilderness where it necessitates you to hire a guide or things like that. But man, there’s, there’s such a wide variety of elk hunting in, in that state from sagebrush to the roughest back country, you know,
Such it’s so 25 miles, even though we can’t hunt the wilderness without a guide. It’s just not, I mean it’s, it’s okay. Yeah. Like there’s plenty of, there’s plenty of options. Lots of options. Even general options. Even the southern general that’s small, a basic geographic area and, and whatnot. It’s just, there’s still plenty of like even public land type options for guys that want to use points. And it is over the counter for residents. I think we’re pretty critical of things that are over the counter for residents and us valuing them like a trophy opportunity. But there’s, so I don’t know if you, if you want just the population base or what it is in Wyoming, but it’s a little bit different. I look at it a little bit differently than say in Idaho, you know.
Well, and, and there
Opportunity.
Yep. And, and that’s true even if you just do it self-guided on your own on public land. But then there’s also some wilderness back country general stuff that is, that is really, really good. You can
Still, that’s three 50 plus folks.
You can still three 30 to three 50 bulls if you use an outfitter on that. Which, where can you do that for three to four points, you know, in the west almost nowhere. So something
Have a fun experience with a bear, right?
I mean you may or may not. Yeah. Have an exciting story to come.
Logan. He was Logan’s wanting to buy my 10 mil off me. I was, yeah,
You gonna make me buy my own
Hard, Logan, you know what they say about concealed weapon permit holders and things like that is you have to be willing to use it. I’m ready. Like you need to have like ice veins, man. Have
You seen that video of how fast a bear can accelerate at you? Dude,
Sean sent me one this morning of a bear attack. I don’t like these bear tech videos. No, we should post all bear attack videos. We should have people DM and it’s like, we have like a year hate ’em. So hate face that I can’t, I can’t look away. You know what I mean? It’s awesome. Anyway. Yeah. Guy dumps a bear. Sean, send a little whatever or real or whatever they are, but all right, moving on. You could have a wonderful bear experience in Wyoming. Wing lots going on up there. Yeah, sure. And then there’s some, a lot of, a lot of country that has no bears at all. So there’s something for everybody. Public land, easier hunting, tough, you know, tough. Maybe a tougher horseback type experience, but, but still something for everybody. And we’re happy to help guys make choices on that. And,
And we broke that down. The only real key thing for you to remember about February 2nd is if you want, want a chance to draw an elk tag, you have to apply for something by then. The only thing you can’t change after that is whether you’re in the special or the regular. That’s all.
That’s the one thing I think is, is if you have stupid thought and you need to go make an application, just make it, just make an application. Yeah, because it’s, it’s free to change.
Yeah. They do sit on your money for a long time. That’s the only downside about applying versus doing points only in the summer. But, but hey, nobody has a full schedule almost January 1st, so, or or February 2nd.
I, I’m pretty busy. Okay, Adam, are you busy?
Sit it on. No, I bring it on on. Come on. I put it in every year. And for Elk for that reason. Just I, sometimes I swing for the fence switch
To the unit. I apply, I apply. But you can also
Withdraw completely. Yeah, exactly. You can because that’s busy. But I do, by May 8th a lot can happen.
Oh yeah, that’s right. Make an application. So you have options. Now you, like Adam saying you only have options within the regular license fee or the special license fee if you did regular or special. But you always have options for the next few months. You can think on it. Alright, where are we going next? Guide this thing.
You guys haven’t talked about your Colorado stuff. I think most of the rest of us did. Oh yeah. John you did to Colorado. Jason you didn’t, Jason you went to, I don’t know what the, what’s Oklahoma? I wanna say the cowboy state. But that’s, I dunno if that’s right,
But that was good. That was a good hunt. Yeah, that was a good hunt that, you know, talk about
That post your Colorado.
Yeah, Oklahoma was fine. Well, Colorado was good. Colorado was fine. Colorado was kind of about what you would expect. So it’s one of those states it like, what do they call it? Fomo. Like, I like if I don’t, if I don’t hunt, if I don’t hunt Colorado, I have FOMO bad. Like I have to fear of missing out, you know? But then you go there and you’re like,
Yeah, this is why I thought it was gonna
Be, I knew, I knew I knew better and I did it anyway and anyway, and it’s fine. It, it is, I guess maybe our expectations are a lot when you look at how many points it takes to draw some of the units we’ve hunted. John, you hunted a unit takes a very modest number of points to draw, you know? Yeah, yeah. And, and mine as well. Mine was even less when you look at those and you, and you think, what did I expect? Like kind of what, what, what do I expect out of this stuff? Well, I expect a Henry Mountains experience is Colorado. You know, same thing with you, Adam. Look at, I mean exactly. Becky went and had a Yeah, you know, of points, didn’t kill a buck,
Burned a lot of points, burned
A ton. Didn’t happen. I think it’s a prime example of, that’s a prime example right there. Gives
You a chance to go on,
Who did you call to complain about
Not one
Person. Exactly. That’s people are, but they want to hang somebody when they’re, when they’re, when they have a bad experience, they want to take some hide off of somebody.
Well, and every once in a while we get, we get somebody that calls and, you know, maybe we give a suggestion based on a point tier for that. And we all, we usually always try to caution, you know, we’ve been saying it for years. You got 15, 20 plus points in Colorado, you’re probably gonna be asking to be disappointed. I don’t know how many times you’ve said that. There’s not usually,
But I think, but I, but I think part of it, yes, you’re right, but I think part of it is ’cause we expect so much. Why, why do we, but a lot expect
More points don’t equal you, you know, money in the bank or, or something like that. You get it back. Yeah. An investment, it grows
Five, 5%, whatever. Okay, wait, just walk me through. Breadcrumb it for me. What are you talking about?
I’m just saying you put certain stuff in savings and it grows and you pull it out. It’s worth, worth what you’ve had when you put into it points, you think you’re gonna grow to 20 and Yeah, I get, I’m getting a value back out of it. Yeah. And this is what I want. Yeah. I’m
Feeling like we’re having an oh 7 0 8 crash every single hunting season. Well, is that what you’re talking about? Well,
I’m just saying Yeah, Colorado. Yeah. It’s, it’s negative 1% every year right now.
Okay. Yeah. There, there you go. There you go. So, yeah. And so I think, yeah, we went over there, we saw, I don’t know, a lot of four point bucks. Like even even helped a guy, you know, told the guy he is go smash this a hundred and, I don’t know, ends up being a hundred seventies, you know, really nice, great, nice buck, let another one go. That was probably, it was, you know, probably over one eighties that was heavy, I don’t think got killed. You know, and every time you, anyway, when you, when you help or when you give them give one up, you’re like, man,
I feel bad for that little buck. I want him to live and be awesome and amazing. But, but you also love to help guys and see people be successful. And we did meet a guy out there and it was awesome. It was great. He’s like, you know, Jason, I’ve been following what you do, da da da. And I’m here because of you guys. And, and I wanna hunt a place that I can hunt pretty regular that has the genetics and and whatnot. Anyway, as we’re leaving, Jan and I are leaving. He, he, we passed his side by side and he’s up on the side of the hill with, I don’t know, I wanna say his one eighties or something. I, I, I mean, I’ve got the email now. Anyway, I left an epic hat and a few things, and we did the fist pumping in the air and he grabbed the buck and showed us the buck. And it was 400 yards away or so. Made a four or 500 yard shot.
Yeah. You took off the, your sweaty hat and left it in his
Trash. It was Janice. And it’s not sweaty. It’s like brand new. Okay. You know,
I’m just like, man, that guy. No,
I did wonder though. I’m like, if I could pull over between here and Eagle,
You don’t have an orange.
I don’t, yeah, she doesn’t have an orange hat. Eh, you know, good luck to her.
If you’re your way home, you could’ve left them your used boots, Jason. Exactly. So,
Okay, okay. Okay. Bump the brakes. That’s an inside joke, bro. Anyway, kind of fun. He, it, he obviously, it turned out just awesome. He says, I’m, I’m here, I’ve killed 190 and a bunch of, you know, one sixties. I need more in the middle. And, and just, it was a great experience that way. And, and we were in the field, we saw a lot of sheep. We saw elk bulls. I mean, it was an over recount bull hunt. We could have killed bulls. So it was just a really, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was fun. It was fun. That way
You’ve been known at times to no run to town. Okay. And
Buy a tag. Do we really gotta talk about, well,
I’ve just didn’t know nothing else
Well enough time has passed that we can talk about it. Let’s talk about it. Yeah. I was in unit 55
Many years ago ago
Okay. Many years ago with a good friend, maybe even a, a guy that works here in the office. And dude, I saw an absolute giant bull. Okay. And I’m no joke. Okay. I’ve put my hands on a few, no joke. Giant, giant backend whale tail.
I’ve seen the video.
Huge bull. And I was like, I’m gonna did, I did video that.
Yeah. Yeah. You showed me. I mean, I’m not making this up, up. I’ve gotta find that. I’m not making this up, Jason. We gotta put it out with
The podcast. I don’t know. So anyway, so anyway, then I, I go to town and 14 janky trans transactions later. I still don’t have an elk tag, but I gotta go visit with Game and Fish on a Monday.
Yeah. Because the, the transaction went through and your count showed it. They put like,
Print it, couldn’t
Print, print. And then you’re like, oh, go ahead. It stuck. And so, you know, you’re over the counter Elk unit at the time. You’re over the counter and you’re like, that bull is being chased right now. You know, like, I mean, and I’m sitting here tagless and, and I paid for the opportunity anyway. It was just one of those things. So I go back, of course there’s of course he’s gone. Of course he’s gone. We’ll go look in the record book. What? There’s a giant bull listed in the record book during that timeframe. You’re kidding. No, I’m not kidding. In fact, I’ll go log from Gunnison. Yeah. Gunnison. Yeah. And I’m not saying it’s the, but just tell me how many, how how many bulls like that are, are come off of an over, over the counter unit.
Zero. No, you’re,
And then, yeah, exactly. So anyway, just, that’s what happens to me though. That’s what happens to me. I mean, there’s a story that’s ongoing right here locally. Same thing. Yeah. I’m on, I’m on ’em. I just can’t kill ’em. Bronson. I,
Well that one’s like an afterthought. You’re there hunting deer
Yeah. Over in Colorado. Yeah.
You’re, they’re hunting deer and like, whoa, this was too big not to run to town. Sp six, 700 bucks, whatever it is. Yeah.
Like the damage to Logan’s future truck trying to get to town. Geez.
Take it easy
On that thing for a little while. Anyway. Fun, fun times. But, and Colorado’s got ’em actually over the counter Colorado. I don’t want to, now I don’t want everybody to, Jason tell me, this town’s amazing. It might make all your dreams come true, but real, really not a bad, not a bad gig to go get that over the counter tag. And, and guys are killing three 2330s. A few if you get really lucky. And then this year there was a lot of cases, people didn’t see elk. There was a lot of John, it was water. Wanna dive into your hunt too. But there was a lot of camps. I mean, let’s just say this, the 99% of the camps we drove by didn’t have deer or elk canyon.
It was warm and not, not great hunting conditions. Right. But when you have so many hunters out there, some guys are gonna kill stuff.
I just think what keeps us going back a, there’s, there’s something for everyone similar to Wyoming elk, there’s something for everyone at all point levels. You wanna hunt deer, you can do it. You don’t have any points. It’s okay. Yeah. There’s options for you not lanor, tech options. There’s draw options, you know, and so you look at that and you just think, and then when you do have a really good year, you never forget it. And so you keep going back trying to recreate that great year and you never give it up. Right. How many years have you hunted Colorado John?
Every year.
Like since when?
Oh, since least probably. Yeah. I’d say, I’d say 20 years. And for me, I think it’s a total mindset of, of if you’re disappointed, it just depends on what your expectations are going into it. And for me, if I’m somewhere, or like you said, like there’s decent genetics, there’s just a chance, there’s a chance you could win lottery, something could happen. Oh no, that’s, and that’s in Colorado. That’s, that’s special. And
You were passing a four point, you were
Passing four point bucks. Yeah, I was. And here,
What would you do? Would you, I mean,
You know Yeah. I mean your
Experience was still better though than here generally.
Yes. And I would compare it to, I’ve hunted this unit in the past, been several, several years, but I saw a lot more four point bucks this year, this year than I, than I did there. Really? You know, in the past, Nope. Numbers were better number commerce. In fact, I would say every day, you know, at least a solid 4.1 60, 1 70, yeah. Class mid one seventies. Yeah. There was one. I I mean I videoed it forever and they were rutting and, and fighting and all that. And it was just awesome. How’d you lay off the trigger when you start doing that?
Well, John does not like to lay off the trigger.
Say, I don’t like to lay off the trigger, but what, but you just, if it’s early in the hunt, I have an easier time. Well, and then, you know, near the end, I really like jerky. Well, and the other thing is like stuff and killing stuff. But within a week or eight days ago, you just smoked one in Nevada too. Yes. So you just barely scratched. So, so I had And jerky buck. Or you had jerky. Yeah. I do wanna say sausage bug. Late, late in the hunt, I was driving out of a canyon, the same canyon that this buck was in that I videoed and it was in the back of a guy’s truck and that buck. Yeah. And it, it looked, looked really good in the back of his truck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so no good, good for him. No, it was just, just fun and, and you’re there. Something could magical could happen. And even if it doesn’t, man, it’s just, it was a, it was a great hunt. And there were a lot, there was a lot of game. You hunted right to the end then Did you hunt the whole hunt? Well, okay, sorry. I didn’t, sorta So last two days, I, so I blew a water pump in my truck and it was, it was a mess. And
I was like, you know, this was, it was so dry. I was like, maybe you go rent the vehicle. Yeah.
I was far away from rent. I did look it up. I was an hour away. Fromwhere a can drive truck, you just go do that, but not this part. Yeah. The weird thing was, I got a warning that said my engine was hot, but the gauge wasn’t hot. Something wasn’t, wasn’t quite right. But anyway, I, I turned around that morning and anyway, and it was, the problem was we were Saturday and Sunday and tried to find a mechanic in the last two days, a tiny, tiny town. Wow. Luckily on a weekend, I, I, I found a guy, it, his shop looked like, I mean, it was a storage unit and he had a little shop in there and he just happened to be there on a Saturday. I totally lucked out. And he, he, he took me apart. How’d you get me up? Well, neighbor down. So the Saturday, no, yeah, there was a Napa that, that wasn’t too far away and they actually would deliver. So we got the part ordered on Saturday and then he installed it on Sunday. And then, and then I drove home. Yeah. So I missed the last two days of the, of the hunt. Jeez.
I had a,
But it was still great.
Amazing truck, truck experience in Oklahoma. But anyway, keep going. So kind of sick of a, but we,
That kind of wrapped up Johns So spring way that kind of wrapped it up. I mean Well then you
Make drive. You were trying to beat the snowstorm.
Yeah. And I was trying to beat the snowstorm. I do wanna say though, coming from Nevada, going to Colorado, dude, the Colorado people are so nice. Just like, what do you mean people stop me? Mostly elk hunters. They just wanna chat. I, I chatted up a, a guy and I’m just, I’m an introvert, so I’m not looking to talk to anybody. You
Don’t strike me as an introvert,
But Oh yeah. I could be a hermit. Really. I could be alone. So
If we took Logan forever and put him over on the consultant side, oh
Yeah. I’d be fine. No. Oh, absolutely. Really? I’m totally fine. You gonna
Make me move a game? Yeah.
I was thinking about putting you in the fishbowl.
That
Could, that could be fun. Fun. Yeah.
It would be fun. And I think it would just be really good, I think for a lot of reasons. Yeah. It is good for information and for social media and all the things. Yeah.
Yeah. I, I have, I have family members that, I mean, my dad can’t, like, if he goes a day without talking to somebody or having some like, interaction with people, he’ll go crazy. I, I, man, I could live in a cabin like the uni bomber bomber for a while, you know, and be fine. I just have to have little projects and be able to build
Things, you know? It makes sense, John, because I’ve never known a man to hunt the way you did in Nevada by yourself day.
Yeah. After day after
Day.
And I would call John. I tried to call John once or twice a week, check up on him. ’cause if I was doing that, I would not be okay. And I’d call John once or twice a week to check up on him. No, I’m doing good. It’s great. I love it out here. Yeah. I’m like, dude, I would’ve lost my sanity long ago.
Awesome. And fun. And yeah. Anyway, they just, yeah, nice, nice people. Nevada like, you better be carrying because you might get shot for no reason. Whoa. I’m just saying they’re not nice. Like, whoa. Like I don’t remember. Oh,
John, didn’t you get mad at somebody the other day?
No, no. We can just go past that, that
John covered that. Yeah. He’s just, it’s kind of interesting. I’m just worried someday if it’s gonna be b he shoots or you or I don’t know.
Anyway, don’t startle him. And remember those dark to daylight hours. Don’t startle them here at the office. Text him before you open the door. Yeah, no, that’s about, that’s about all in my hunt. And then, well, I, I, I paid the guy a little bit extra to try to get it done before the snowstorm hit. And we ended up hit the snowstorm hit right when we were doing, you know, some of the high mountain passes and we were doing 10 miles an hour behind some Subarus and it was so slow.
Yeah. And I feel bad I missed Jen’s rendition on that whole trip because she was
Probably,
She doesn’t hold back everything she thinks she’s
Talking, but
It’s in French animated and I’m sure she was crushing some motor vehicles all around you.
Yeah. Oh yeah. She was like, you
Could tell that person
Never driven in a snow storm.
Okay. Bump the brakes, Jim. It’s just, there’s four feet of snow out there on the ground. Bumped the brakes.
Yeah. We were going past ski resorts, so it was, yeah, we were high. Yeah.
But anyway, yeah, it, we ended up, Ashley and I went and did Oklahoma with Roger. A really good friend of ours. That’s just awesome. It was kind of his thing. And the second year we’ve done it and it was, it was a great experience. It was, it was awesome. Anyway, who were you hunting? Hunting? White till. Okay. Hunting white tills. Yeah. And Kyle, I mean, I was like, man, I’m gonna take a coyo gun. So they ended up taking a six five, just because I want to kill ’em all. And I guess it doesn’t matter. I mean, last time we went, no, it doesn’t matter. I mean there was this coyo and there’s so many coyotes. K like a, I think we’ve talked about this on the podcast.
Yeah, we mentioned it. But go ahead. It’s worth restating. Well,
I mean, just in case someone listen Kyle teams, when they have competitions, if you don’t have 40 dogs, you don’t go in. Well anyway, I saw, we saw eight dogs running together one day. Ashley and I. Like it was unbelievable. Yeah. But anyway, this one dog last year, it was like, kind of like, kind of taunting this dough came within like here to the wall. What’s that? Like four yards, three yards or four yards or whatever. And just taunting this dough and this dough stopped, stopped from eating and just sat there and watched him. And they were always like, you know, you should shoot these coyotes. And I’m like, well, we’ve been taught you don’t do that ’cause you kind of ruin the area for the deer and all this. And you know, you can’t kill enough of ’em to make a difference. So it’s, you know. Yeah. But it is fun. Like, so anyway, finally I was like, I kind of got sick of him taunting this dough. Like I
Wanna smoke him.
I just shot him just right in front of the dough and, and it just wiped him out. And she, she sat there and looked at him. She didn’t move. She didn’t move what didn’t move. And then pretty soon she went back to eating. She’s like, I mean, just Yes. Right in front of her. So
Now you’re like, I’m gonna kill everyone I see now from now
On. Yeah. I was just like, so this year I was kind of half excited about it and I don’t know how many I smashed last year, but they kept hearing shots randomly go off, you know, and, and so anyway, I’m like, passes
The time and it treat in a white tail blind or stand Yeah. And you can shoot kylees.
Yeah, yeah. It does pass the time. And if you throw, if you’re suppressed and you got a little six, five and pretty soon, anyway, this thing was kind of sided in, I, you know, we got a little spot on the way over there. You shoot mud and rocks or whatever and just make sure you’re on right before you hit Colorado state line. I didn’t have time to do a lot with it, but I have, but when you throw a a suppressor on ’em, it changes things. Yeah. It changes impact and whatnot. Anyway. Got it dialed. Plenty good enough. You know, and anyway, went over there and Ashley and I were together. Roger kills early then he’s like, well, I’m not going anywhere. I’ll sit with Ashley and we’ll separate and get you guys in different stance. Which I part a lot of the fun is just sitting with your daughter or Yeah.
Kids or whatever. And you just have a great time. We had a great time. But anyway, so now I’m taking the, I’ve got the coyote gun, she’s got the amazing, awesome rifle that’s perfect. Can shoot well past a thousand, all the things. And anyway, right. The last 10 minutes, we only a three day hunt. A buck comes in and I’m like, I’m just not gonna, I, I just let it go, let it go for like 10 minutes. And finally I’m like, I mean, it’s a big deal. Like Ashley’s a killer. You know, if we don’t get a coyote, I mean, we hear about it If we, if I would’ve passed that buck anyway. So I’m like, all right, I’m shooting this buck and just one and done. Great hunt came over, we took all the photos and all that, but I wish she would’ve been in my stand.
’cause she just didn’t have, she just didn’t have a great opportunity, you know? Yeah. And just the way the luck has and it’s a short hunt. She ended up, she did get a cha have a chance at one and just doesn’t know exactly what happened. Nothing. I mean, it’s live and well unfortunately. So anyway, but going there, I’m like, yeah, I think I’ve got a little rattle. Yeah. Well it was a warped, it was like, like a little bit of a warp on the exhaust manifold. And there was some little bit of, so it’s a little diesel. And so anyway, I’m like, well, can I drive this? Can I just keep driving this? And they’re like, yeah, just keep driving. No problem. And I’m like, all right, well I don’t think they meant to Oklahoma, you know, they meant like around town grocery gather till Monday before you can get it in to get fixed.
Yeah. Whatever. Right? And so I’m like, go out there 1500 each way s way. Right. And then, anyway, when I, I woke up one morning and I went to start it and it was like the worst loudest noises you can ever imagine. Like, and it, and what it ends up being is breaking off, shearing off the bolts of the exhaust manifold in the head, and then it runs different, you know, like the air going across the turbo is different. It changes that. And the turbo is just so loud and you think you’re ruining everything. I mean, you, I mean, I’m just like, and it’s the day before Thanksgiving, just like, then you have Thanksgiving, then you have Friday, then you have Saturday, then you have Sunday. People don’t work. Worst than my Saturday, Sunday. They don’t work for five days in a row. No, I don’t.
Oh. And you think you got some little junk tools in the backs. Don’t rural that you’re gonna be able to do anything. So anyway, the rancher that, that we were hunting on anyway, he’s like, let me, let me mess with it. And he’s, he’s quite a mechanic. I was shocked. But anyway, he’s like, well here you go. This is your problem. And verified where we were at, he’s like, just drive it. It’ll be be fine. I’m like, okay, you can’t run AC or heater on really? ’cause you’re getting all the exhaust Anyway. Ended up, made it home. Just crushed it and pulled it into the shop and they’re like, six of your 12 manifold, or your exhaust manifold bolts are busted off in the head, like six of the 12. He’s like, I’ve never seen one this bad. So anyway, they ended up getting ’em all out. I didn’t have to buy, buy a new head or anything, but he says, this is cherry actually. He’s like, this is cherry. This is amazing. Anyway, you know, all the typical stuff that I talk about, my trucks most best bestest truck ever. Fixed it on the road again. Crushing. It’s great. That’s it. So good. There you have it.
Speaking of on the road, do you think Devon’s on the road? Yeah, he’s on the road. Gil.
Well, he could be checking out a few res dogs. You
Never try
Him. Yeah. All right, let’s, let’s call him. So Devon’s on his way to Mexico. Let’s just see, let’s see what he’s got to say. I don’t know.
He’ll know. Why you calling off?
Hello?
Hey, what are you doing?
Give you one guess
On the road again, huh? Like, oh, Willie,
What? Why are you guys together?
Hey, we work together. What do you mean?
It ain’t lunchtime back there?
No, it’s not.
We’re just checking on you. Making sure you’re making it.
Yeah. I didn’t know if you’re getting the afternoon dozy phase. Keep you on your toes driving 12 hours or whatever. I’m down
These rumble strips in the middle of the road down here. They, they’ll keep you away. These potholes.
What about the potholes? Every four yards on the, on the, on the highway, freeway, highway, wherever you’re at down there.
Yeah, it’s, yeah, you could lose a tire here.
Dodged a few
Of them. You could lose ball joints, tire rods. By the way,
I saw, I saw a truck a little while ago that was going his front end. The tires were at, I mean,
45 3 I’ve
Seen like, like yeah, literally was flat out was like, does he not know that his tires are almost sideways? He’s going like 55 miles down the highway.
It’s
Pretty
Crazy. Hey, hey.
They get a new drive out till they need a new one.
You’re in and around the res you see about everything. Have you seen any res dogs down there
As in coyotes or res dogs
Or
Corn dogs? Both.
I’ve seen red dogs. Yes.
No coyotes. Is there a
Difference?
I haven’t. I saw one dead coyote. That’s the only game anything hit on the road that I saw.
So speaking of one coyote, speaking of ball joints and bad roads, did you know they make ball joint delete kits? What? Yeah,
Ball joint. What?
Delete kits. We were, I was at lunch. You know how Wyatt knows a little bit about everything? Oh yeah. Yeah. Wyatt’s like, man, they make ball joint delete kits. So sure enough there’s ball joint, delete kits out there for certain vehicles. And what, it’s kind of interesting. Yeah, you can buy ’em for like a Ford and Dodge, huh? I don’t know. I don’t know what else out there. Idea. Yeah, but I mean, could you imagine how many kits they would sell for these little Tacomas? Yeah.
Geez.
It’d sell a lot of ’em. Half
The trucks I’ve owned had recalls on those.
Yeah. Isn’t it crazy? So a all right. Are you, how
Many hours you got left before you park it for the night?
Oh, like four maybe. I haven’t, I don’t wanna really look, you know. Yeah. Enjoying it out here.
Are you in, are you in three or four? Are you in New Mexico or are you still in Arizona somewhere?
Three
Or four. Oh, I’m in New Mexico. Okay.
You got right. Did you get a late start?
I left at like six. Oh, nothing, probably after I got gas and really going, it was probably six. Yeah. Quarter to six.
Yeah.
Well, good. Going down there to trying to find an aox, huh?
Yeah. A, a spike. I’d like to, you know, a full intact spike would be awesome. Yep.
Horse with horns, you’ll do it
36 or eight inches. I’m
Looking forward to it. You know what I’ve noticed though? There is, there’s some like puddles. I thought it’d been dry down here for a long time, but there’s
Waly
There’s been some moisture, huh? Yeah, like, I, I don’t know, like what that doesn’t affect,
Like on the pavement? You mean that fresh?
No, like just, just out the, out. Not like, oh, like, like paints you would think should be
Dry,
Had a
Lot of water. We talked about Arizona. That’s what a lot of guys are saying is there’s been tanks that have been dry for three years that have water right now.
Yeah. Yeah. Like, like not deep tanks. I’m looking at like a big, a large amount of water that you wouldn’t think would’ve water ever, you know? Yeah. So I don’t know. It, it’s just probably just hanging, hanging, hanging on since October, I
Guess. Late October, early November stuff. Yeah. Well, and it doesn’t,
Geez, Devin, you’re getting me excited. You’re gonna alter my application strategy right now.
Yeah.
And in some portions, like cutting green grass, man, I’m telling you.
Geez.
Wow.
All right. Only in certain places, but for the most part it’s dead and
Dry. What about the Navajo? The Navajo Have any green glass?
It had some green grass.
It did?
Yeah.
Geez. Yeah. I’ll bet it’s a little higher though. It’s colder up there. I’ll bet. Than where he is at now. Well, live updates. Yes. The green of the west. One state at a time. Well, we look forward to hearing how you, how you do down there, boss. Yeah. Getting a report maybe tomorrow. I’m
Looking forward to it.
Fun. It’ll be fun. Fun. Something different. Yeah.
I mean, what else is going on? Going on at Christmas time? I’m sure your wife’s good with it. I
Mean, yeah, your
Dog. As long as I’m home. I think the 23rd, I should be just fine.
Yeah, she misses that little girl’s first.
Famous last words. Yeah.
Christmas Eve, he’s in trouble.
Oh,
Baby’s first Christmas. Oh,
Jesus.
It might be like 1159, but that’s my goal. I gotta be back before Christmas Eve is my thing. So
Good there. That’ll be good. All right, well, all right. That’s good. A little update. Okay. We thought we’d check in with you. Keep,
Keep, keep us updated on all the vegetation and tanks and stuff like that.
Local.
I’ll do my best. Local wildlife, you know, I talking about now when I’m in the desert, you know?
Yeah. We’re not gonna hear from Devin until the 23rd.
No,
I’ll do my best.
Did you even turn your inReach D back on?
I’m pretty sure I have it, but I, yeah,
He doesn’t
Limited it to 40 texts or whatever.
I, I do have it, but Okay. I should have service, so all
Good deal.
I’ll, I’ll update.
Drive
Safe.
See
Ya. Alright, bye
Bye.
He’s going down there to, he’s hunting off range stuff, so this is gonna be more of a challenge.
Yeah,
Shorter hump. It’ll be
Good. Yep. He’ll do well. So
Hopeful we
Can find some, if he doesn’t kill one, we’re gonna have to convince him to go back and probably jump in the truck with him last on
Couple
Days. Yeah, last little round. But anyway, what else? All right. I don’t know. I’m pretty good. Are you guys good?
Logan? Anything?
I’m good.
I was gonna ask you on that in sitting on your shirt, is that, is that a cannabis flower? What is that? Jeez.
I think it’s a silo. What is that? I don’t know. I, I don’t know.
I just buy
It. You read way more into my shirts than I do.
Well, they’re always weird shirts. It does look
Like Eat a little bit. Well, it’s
John. I mean, Jason,
I’m no,
No one a dead or alive at a cannabis leaf. I mean,
It’s schedule four now or whatever.
Gotta realize it’s low three.
I know. I never see the same shirt twice and they’re always weird.
It could’ve been his dad’s shirt from when he went to college.
Could
Be. I buy my own boys come. I know where Cow Ranch is.
Is that where you shop
A lot? They got the best shirts. Did they? Yeah. Shirts, pants, cow ranch, these Yes.
No kidding T-shirts
Like this. I thought they were only Western stuff. I figured
You’d go down for the cowgirls.
Well, there’s multiple benefits to shopping at Cow Ranch.
Whoa. Is that your type, Logan? Is that kind of what you’ve mo moved over towards looking towards? Well, a little bit or what?
Then chicks could break you. That’s okay.
That’s
Fine. They, they pitch hay for a little. I
Need a little structure, A little
Gal that has some property on the
Mountain. That’s exactly what we’re
After. Maybe next year you need to go down to NFR for a weekend and see, see what
Happens. This is, this is the first year we’ve missed the NFR. Flaunt
Yourself a
Little bit down. We usually go down there every year.
Do you? Yeah.
Could
You imagine Logan girls down there? Her
Dad would be like, Logan, get in the Logan Bear. Get in this truck.
They know me. Can you imagine looking with a hat and boots walking in there and then a,
Let me think about it. No, that’s
What I mean. Then a real cowboy with her, with his daughter there.
I’m not a real cowboy enough for you. Come
On Morgan. I’m not either. None of us are.
What have you ridden besides the dog?
I ride
A mean dirt bike besides that motorcycle.
All right. That does count. That does count. Them guys heard they They heard cattle on mo dirt bikes. Yeah.
That’s impressive. I don’t think I could do that mobbing out there through the sage brush.
You need to learn. It’s tough. If you’re gonna chop at Cow Ranch, you need to learn.
All right. I’ll get better.
All right. Are we good? Yep.
Anything else, guys?
No. Merry Christmas.
Yeah. We may or may not talk to you before Christmas, but really we, I don’t know, Jason the 18th.
It’ll
Be close.
We should see. It’s like a week away. That’s it. We’ll see.
Well, if you guys do one, do it without me. Maybe you can get that. Well, I’m not gonna be here. Well,
I mean before you will, won’t you? No, no guy. Oh yeah. No, nevermind. All right. Okay. Sounds good. Well, everybody, if we don’t talk to you, have a great Christmas. I hope Santa brings you all the things you need in the hunting world. If he doesn’t, you know where to buy ’em. Here at Epic Outdoors Santa, we sell a lot of stuff.
Santa and all the present ferry. Hopefully they come your way. Present
Fairies. Geez. Alright.
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