EP 136: Taking Advantage of Late Season Hunting Opportunities

How do we hunt late season versus early season? The old deer typically are going to pull down in the lower country like we've been talking about. We can talk about tactics, and when it comes to glassing, though, it's very individual. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey, everybody, Jason Carter and the Epic crew. We've John Peterson, Wyatt Bowles, Adam Bronson, and Chris Peterson at the mic. Everybody's got a mic today, right? Yeah, everybody's got a mic. Wow. Geez, Chris Peterson ordered more mics. It seemed like we only had four. Well, that's what happens when the staff keeps growing. That's what happens when we're gone. Everybody's not even here. People buy stuff. Not even here. We've still got people out in the field. Yeah, people are out in the field. And we're lucky to have Wyatt here. Yeah. Right now. We're lucky Wyatt hasn't had anything going for the last week and a half, two weeks, right? Well, he has had a couple things going. I'm just talking about, yeah, we're lucky to have him here. He's been prostrate.

Prostate. Not prostate. Prostrate. There's a difference. Basically, he's been flat on his back. He's been on his back. That's right. In layman's terms. That's right. You're still looking gray. Trying to recover from a kidney stone here, but poor Colorado. Have you got another one? I don't know if I've got rid of the first one. I've never had one before. It's a whole new thing for me. Tell us how it's going down for you.

Or coming out or whatever. Yeah. I'm sure everyone doesn't want to hear about all that. I don't know. We'll just. You're among good company, John. John, you've had one, right? Okay. These are kidney stones. John, I've never had one. I can't even talk. And I'm. Ask Adam. I'm. I'm really close to drinking a 12 pack of Diet Coke every day and no water. Adam. And Wyatt is the best hydrator in our office, meaning he only drinks. Water. Bottled water. And I thought plenty of it. A lot of it. Tons of it. I always see you with a bottle of water. He went off pop. I don't know. How long has it been? Two years ago? Yeah. Two years ago. Two years ago. Just healthier than a freaking horse until he's prostrate.

And we're now starting to wonder if there is really benefits to just drinking water. But we've been wondering around the office. And Wyatt's. Let's put it this way. I'm not going to start drinking water. Yeah. I don't know. And I've thought about going to monsters. That's right. I don't blame you. I'm 45. I have no problems.

Maybe these monsters are dissolving some things. Well, that's what we're doing. I think they're so strong.

They never let the stones be able to form. I believe that. They just. They break them up. If they can eat concrete on a cement floor, they can break up a few. The kidneys don't. Before it gets too big to pass. And they will take the finish off your concrete. So that's our theory. And we're sticking to it. But Wyatt, in all seriousness, we hope. We hope the worst is behind you. And you're. And there's not. I can't quit laughing. More. How much pain is there? Is it like having a baby? It was miserable. I don't know what having a baby's like. There's no woman that's endured the pain you've endured. The lady at the doctor's office did tell me that it is similar. No. She's passed. The nurse yesterday. Yes. She didn't say that. Do women have these, right? Did she. Has she done. Had both? Has she had a kid? Yeah. She said she had done both. Yeah. Wow. And she said they're comparable?

I don't want to sound like a wuss, but I did crawl out to my truck two nights ago to go to the ER.

Well, and this is what's interesting is I show up to work and I just get the notice that Wyatt's not here and he made a trip to the ER. And I'm like, well, I don't know. Did he cut himself making dinner? Did I have to get. I don't know. And nobody knew. Not even your roommate. But we'll just call Chris. You live at Chris's house. Chris didn't even know you were missing. I didn't hear a sound. So you made a pretty quiet crawl. You really crawled out. About three in the morning. Yeah. Everyone else was probably pretty asleep. I would have crawled to my cell phone and called 911. That's what I did. Wow. Jeez. Well. He could have been airlifted. Yeah. Huh? I should have hit that. There's been people airlifted for a lot less than that. I have that. What do they call it? InReach. Yeah. InReach me. Yeah. I think that's covered under most cellular or Garmin plans. Just a helicopter ride. Well.

It's kind of like towing insurance on your car. It's just a little premium. Be like kidney stones. Add two bucks a month to your plan. Yeah. Oh. When I had it. I thought if this happens while I'm in the field on a hunt. You would rather die. Yeah. You'd rather die. It's just so painful. Speaking of painful. Oh. Go ahead. Yeah. John filled us in. Wyatt. So we kind of were feeling for you. Now that you're back in front of us. We're. I guess we're just in a teasing moment. But that's kind of funny. He's got a Gatorade today. Yeah. I haven't even seen you drink any color drinks at all. No. Neither. Wyatt. I need those electrolytes. Too much water. Did she say that? Did the gal say that? No electrolyte. She said that? Yeah. They told me that yesterday. Okay. Really? Water's not good enough. There you heard it. Right there. Not good enough for you.

Water's not good enough. Well. All right. Well. So anyway. Halloween. Who's trick or treating tonight? Oh yeah. I'm going to get father of the year award. Husband of the year award. Decade. Month. Year. In 12 hours. Yeah. Because I haven't been home but 12 hours. And we're going to do it. It's going to happen. All right. So I'm dishing out treats tonight. How about you? Yeah. Yeah. No? I'll let that. Are you dressing up? No. As a hunter? No. No. No. I'm not. So we'll let. Well. John? Take care of the kids. My wife's in France. So. I'm off the hook. You're told. I only have to dress up if she's here. You're going to go downtown and turn off the lights at your place. Absolutely. You are. And not be bothered. Do you not buy any candy? No. Such a jerk. Oh. That's a bah humbug. To take a Christmas term to Halloween. That's a bah humbug. No.

And I just send them to the local church and parking lot and say. Chunk retreat. Yeah. Go there. So you can trust their candy. So that's what you're doing it? It's only saints go to church, right? Jason will be there. So.

Well, we'd like to think under our sponsor in this podcast. We appreciate them and their support and everything we do. I guess we're still on, right? Yeah. I've been in the hills. Oh, yeah. Out of cell service. I mean. Yeah. Who knows what's going on here? That's right. The lights are still on. The power meter is still clicking back there. Yeah. We're crushing it. We're getting ready to start crushing deer. Who's ready to go to Colorado? Colorado. What? Yeah.

Try to recover from my kidney stone. That would be me. I had out there to Colorado. Me.

Sorry, Wyatt. I hope you're getting abused today in here. You guys caught me in a moment of weakness. It's hammering me right here. Stand up straight. Who's butt you going to kick? Go ahead. Stand up straight. I mean, cheers. Wow. He's not even got energy. He's drinking no sugar Gatorade. There's not even a calorie in there. But there's only a teaspoon gone. I mean, he's like, I know she says I'm supposed to drink this. I don't feel like nothing right now. I'm great. Maybe I should have pulled the doctor's note and just skipped today. Yeah. Well, we appreciate you here. He's taking one for the team. He didn't need to be here under the circumstances. Do we give our employees sick leave or anything like that? I have to read the fine print. I need to talk to the HR department myself about a few things, but I'm not sure. John?

Let's pull that provision. Somebody's going to use it? Let's pull it. All right. Where are we at? Colorado. You brought up Colorado. Our predictions are going to be a few big deer killed because second season was terrible. Very few big deer killed. Got really cold the very last couple of days, right? Yeah. Of second season. And then this week's been record cold. I know for Utah, I think, I don't know about Wyoming. Wyoming can't you. Wyoming's just cold. Yeah. I don't know what it'd take to have a record broken into Wyoming. I don't know what it'd take. People would die. A hundred and fourteen below before it approached record status. Right. But anyway, it's been crazy cold for October. I know that. I mean, we purged our watering system on our yard like October 10th or something. I mean, it was almost a month earlier than last year. Oh, yeah.

It's the first week in November that we quit watering lawns here in Cedar City last year. Yeah. They're bailing hay the first of November. I don't know. Yeah. We're freezing pipes and boats. Boats and whatever else John's got. Huh? How about that? All right. So, anyway, this Colorado, we're excited. We want you to kill giant stuff. Send us photos. We're excited to see what hits the ground. There's been big stuff killed all around us here in southern Utah, Nevada, Arizona. A couple in Idaho, but Idaho's been a little off. Kind of tough to find big deer up there. Wyoming seemed to be a little off this year for sure. Wasn't it why? Yeah. There's a hole. Yeah, definitely off. It was terrible. I forgot about that. It was terrible. I just was talking collectively. It was cold. It was miserable. I didn't mean to talk to you guys. You guys hunted rocks for a week and a half, right? Well, so.

Your kids shot some bucks. Yeah, they did, right? And I thought, well, yeah, we'll kill a couple of little kid bucks and this and that. And it was wonderful. It was a great experience. They were the best bucks we saw. We stayed to the very end. And there was nothing even. Huh? Why? Wyatt was starved for a kill pick, if I'm not mistaken. Well, yeah. He kept bugging me about Ashley's picture. And I'm like, how bored are you? Jeez. It was just a bush. It's a five by five. It's crap. How does he sell for a pass the time? Yeah, there was inlines. Inlines in the front. Double inline. I mean, that's a cool buck. Oh, it was cool. The body was giant. It was double the size of Justin's, which is kind of funny because. Now she's using that as a bragging thing. I got way more meat off mine than yours. And her buck was bigger than Justin's, not wider, but it was a better deer.

And they were arguing, I guess. So Janik had to bring him home to do football and volleyball, right? And Sean and I were staying to hunt big deer. And so we thought. And Justin and Ashley get in an argument on whose buck's bigger. You know? On the way home? Oh, yeah. On the way home. And on speakerphone, Sean just crushes it. Ashley killed the bigger deer. There's no question about that. You know what I mean? So, you know, Ashley, I mean, I just wish I could see her face because she's just, she's the youngest and she's the only girl. And so you don't stand much of a chance in our house. So anyway. That's awesome. So, yeah. Wowing stuff. Hopefully maybe something will come. Something will give on some of these November hunts that are coming up. But there was, and there was a few big deer early. Don't get us wrong. A few absolute monsters.

And there always will be just numbers of hunters and people in the field. But overall, it was a little bit lacking. Idaho's been tough. And then, but Utah, off the charts. Arizona, off the charts. Nevada's just off the charts as far as quality. Although the hunts haven't been easy. No. We're seeing the highlight reel. And the highlight reel is amazing. But there's a lot of people eating tags. Including people within our own parties. You know. Tough, tough. Right. That's right. So, what are we talking about today, Chris? Stuff kind of changes. I thought we'd talk about, you know, late season hunting. Since that's where we're at right now. We're just about to start the third season in Colorado. Just figured we'd talk a little bit about that. So, we're getting out of the hard time, Bucks. Right? And we're moving right into the rut, Bronson. How do you hunt the rut? Well, you take pyroputty.

Okay. So that you can, when you get cold. This is interesting. You can build a fire and stay out there all day long. Because it's going to be cold. You guys are going to experience some cold weather. Which is what you kind of ask for. What you kind of beg for. But last year it was cold for you and I. Yeah. In Colorado. We had no snow. But it got cold. But anyway. Oh, we were in. Oh. It was cold, sucker. I was like, you and I. Where were we? Yeah. Yeah. That was 12 months ago. Anyway. All joking aside. But it's going to be cold and chilly. It looks like third season. Who knows what the fourth season will look like. So. I went to Sportsman's and bought a new hat. Wow. Turtle fur. I don't know. That's what they call it. It was soft. Turtle fur? Yeah. They called it turtle. They're not mammals. They don't have a fur. I know. I don't know what it is.

It's 8% spandex and 92% polyester or something. And then I got a little neck gator and I got some big wazoo gloves with insulate. Dude, I'm telling you. I'm just telling you. Did you get some for your wife?

She doesn't need anything. Because if I'm not mistaken, she's going with you and she's got a tag. She is. You're decked out in what she got. Well, I'm decked out because I'm going back to Nevada and it's been so cold. My fingers are still tingling from two days ago. And so we're going back, as you know, and I'm going to probably be sitting water. Kind of a weird thing to do. Breaking ice. Breaking ice. Yeah, breaking ice. And I'm like, I'm getting warm. I'm tired of being cold. I'm tired of being cold. I lost a little weight. Yeah. And so I'm cold. I'm cold. I'm cold walking back to the truck. I get colder as I walk now. So anyway, got some warm gloves. Jenna's like, so in Colorado, like I've got some warm stuff. And you're just like, are we going to be in the truck? You'll be all right. Are we going to be in the truck a lot? And I'm like, oh yeah.

Right? We're going to be covering the numbers. That's right. I mean, we'll get out and hike a little bit when you need to. But Colorado and cold weather, you're in the truck a bit. Window mounts. Huh? Window mounts. Window mounts. Window mounts killed more big deer in Colorado than anything I know. Put that in your book. Well, it's not a sexy, you know, way to kill deer per se, but it's true. So just covering the numbers, not necessarily what we do. We tease a lot. But Jenna is coming on this hunt. We're super excited. I'm super excited for that. She's excited. Can't wait to see what. She's wearing your camo from 15 years ago. Cotton. Cotton stuff, probably. And you've got wazoo. You just called it wazoo. Wazoo stuff from sportsmen. Well. Neck gaiters, turtle fur, caps, wazoo gloves. She's got your holy jerseys from under the seat. She's got some wazoo on her stuff. Okay. Good.

And I do, too. I just, at this moment when I needed it the next day, I was like, I got to go down and get something real quick. Good. All right. Well, looking forward to seeing John. You're going over there, too. Going over, taking my wife as well. You're going to my wife. Hunting fourth season bucks. Yeah. In the snow. We have a sea. Yeah. It's always an interesting hunt. You're hunting with your spouse on a hunt like that. You pray for snow, and then you wonder if you shouldn't have prayed for snow. You want the snow, but it's miserable. Speaking of lip curling, I was kind of thinking. So, well, it just, one more little something, and then let's just dive into this thing, okay? What have we been doing? I thought we were deep diving. So, Ashley, the other day, Ashley, I was teasing Ashley. So, we're driving to St. George. Okay. My converter and my camp trailer went out.

Ashley's in the back, and I'm like, hey, Ashley, you got any boyfriends or anything? Just teasing her, right? No, Dad. No, Dad. And I'm like, well, if any of them boys start lip curling around, you'll just let me know because I'm going to treat them like Colorado deer. You know what I mean? Jenna's over there rolling her eyes. Ashley's rolling her eyes, and I'm like, I'm dead serious.

That's a good daddy-daughter lip curling story. All right. All right. So, let's move on. I don't know how we segue to anything after that. Late season deer hunts. We're hoping they're in the rut. But one thing I do, let's bring up a little bit, the change in season dates we're excited for next year and the year after, especially the year after. Yeah, a lot to look forward to. However, I think the biggest thing to emphasize is you're going to see point creep of epic proportions coming up when that happens. That's right. You don't expect something takes three points to even maybe take five or you might not get or six or seven. Something that took 10 might take 15. That's right. Depending on if you've got low tag numbers, everybody's like, man, I point creeped a lot. Well, if you've got low tag numbers, it takes nothing to point creep.

Yeah, you give 10 tags and you get three or so to non-residents. Yeah. It doesn't take very many people to switch. All of a sudden, you've got point creep. You know, one or two guys with high numbers of points that decide they have to go this year. And one thing I want to talk about just a little bit. Everybody's waiting for this late season. They're waiting for this late season. Well, if it's late and you happen to get no snow, it's still no snow. So my point is just because it's late doesn't mean it's going to be amazing. It's a better chance of it having weather. Just because you're deeper into November and daylight's getting shorter and you're fighting with Mother Nature and what these deer are wanting to do. But we've all been on Colorado third and fourth seasons the last two to three years, especially, that have been no weather. And it's been terrible for rut.

And so weather will trump calendar. That's 100% right. It will. I've been there in Colorado back-to-back years. The first year I went was like third season, October 30th or 31st to like November 5th or 6th. Okay. That's pretty early third season. Yeah, it is. It's as early as it gets. Yeah. And that year, November 2nd, dumb or I'll bet we saw 10 180-plus bucks that day and I killed a 200-incher. You know, rutting. November 2nd. Where? Dumb. Where? Send me that. You've got it. Hook cheaters on both sides, 33-inch. Oh, yeah. The next year, it moved the six days later. You remember like Colorado does, you know, five days or six days depending on leap year. So it started like November 5th. And you're like, this is going to be off the charts. We all got tags and went there. It sucked. Yeah. Now, we shot one deer out of three of us and we hunted the whole season. Yeah.

And not everybody's waiting for a 200. And it was sunny. No. I mean, it was a second choice tag. You're not burning points. And so I always remember that. Whether that year before, it crushed Utah, crushed Colorado, three or four feet in the high country. The deer had no choice but to be down low. And when they all get down there, they start rutting when they're there because, you know, that's what they're there to do. So weather will trump a calendar. Keep that in mind. There's going to be a lot of strategy involved in Colorado next year because the dates are a little bit later. Yeah. But they don't kick way late until two years from now, 2021. There's going to be a lot of strategy involved. And do you go try to strike some of these units while you can get them, while you can draw them? And before they maybe get crushed. Some of these four-season hunts, November 24th to 28th.

Oh, I know, right? Thanksgiving. I mean, do you want to tag the year after that in that unit? Well, are you going to want one? Possibly not. It depends on the weather. That's what I mean. But don't. Maybe not. Maybe not. You're almost hunting to December. But here's also what's going to happen. In my estimation, so when this happens, who's who of mule deer comes out in force? There's everybody that likes a mule deer will be in Colorado. Yeah. You know what I mean? Everybody. Because it's going to be the talk of the talk. So I guess my point is we've got a foot of snow. Like, hunt now. Hunt right now. Everybody that's out there, just enjoy these hunts. Don't be looking forward to two years from now, although we're looking forward to next year already because we've got about kicked on a bunch of hunts. Having said that, hunt right now. Like, right now might be amazing.

You know what's interesting? We will be hunting a new unit this year. Um, and, and so a lot of guys are like, how do you go about hunting a new unit? Like, what do you do to hunt a new unit? And, and then also late season, like you talked about, Chris, how do we hunt late season versus early season? When I'm early season, I like to spend all my, I like to have something like my two months summer to really hone in on one or two hunts. My early stuff. Crush it, enjoy it, and have a great chance of killing something special compared to, you know, an October hunt that you didn't scout for. And then late season, I love the late season. I'm ready for a late season gift. You know what I mean? Yeah. But you mean like last year? Standing out in your truck at 80 yards, lip curling? Yes. Duck, duck. Yes. Okay. For, for a half hour. 24 minutes on my phone video. On video. That's right.

On your phone scope. Yeah. I even sent a, sent a little screenshot to a buddy. I'm like, is he 200? He's still alive right here. 82 yards.

Yeah. Only. Then I heard a side-by-side above me on the ridge and I'm like. Put the earplugs in. I'd be really sad if that guy saw this deer and shot him and I'm sitting here in my orange 82 yards away from him. Kapow. Kapow. So anyway. But let's talk about the early season versus late season and what, what tactics are we going to use? Bronson? Wyatt? What are you going to, what are we going to do? John? Chris? Well, the biggest thing, and we've said this a lot before, but a lot more time, a lot more scouting can be beneficial on your early hunts. Obviously, archery, muzzleloader, and even to some extent, some of the earlier rifle hunts that, like Nevada and some places that start October 5th and things like that, that don't normally get a lot of deer movement yet. But part of the reason we like staggered hunts in different states is, like Colorado, we

just, most of the time, we pick a unit that we either can draw or we pick up a land or tag in and just show, you get your maps, and we'll talk about that in a minute, how do we approach hunting a new unit. But you go hunt and to some extent, yeah, you look for a gift or you just go hunt and every day you got maybe a little influence of the rut or a little bit of migration. And so any scouting you would have done is kind of irrelevant by November. Yeah. It is nice. You know, Wyatt, when we were in Wyoming, you were talking about going and swinging down through our unit and checking it out. And that would help, although you're not, I think it can be mentally defeating for a lot of guys to go pre-scout a rut unit, a rut hunt. Going to go into this unit, I'm going to hit the winter range, and I see nothing. Should I turn my tag back? Yes, to have the ability to really think, this will change.

This will change. I'm seeing wazoo, sagebrush, and bitterbrush down here, but I see no deer. I see not one deer. I'm nervous. I'm sweating. My palms are sweaty. I've spent 10 points on this or whatever, a couple of grand or whatever it costs to get a tag. And I got 30 days prior, you can make a change and get your points back. And so people get antsy. They get worked up. You can't tell what the weather's going to be in 30 days. And you've got to have confidence that deer are going to migrate. So part of this, we get maps. We sell maps on our website, epicoutdoors.com. You can do a dropdown and order maps, right? Is there anything else to say about that? No. There's a lot of different customizations you can make, but I think the unit, you know, I like to have both the digital and the map. I can't tell you how many times I'm there. Something happens with the phone and it doesn't work.

And I'm without a map until I get back to service and then I can re-download or whatever it is. So I like to have the printed map as well. Yeah. You got to X out of all your social media apps, John. And then you don't lose the phone battery. Right, Chris? Yeah. Millennials and pre-downloads. That's the one challenge with millennials using Onyx on their phone. Too much running in the background? Oh, there's background. Yeah. So, you know. You got hamsters spinning like zombies in the background. Speaking of hamsters, what about sheep camping? Huh? What about sheep camping? I did not know where you were going with speaking of hamsters.

All right. So, yeah. So, yeah. Our camp trailer, we parked in a bad spot apparently this year. 50, like 51 mice we've caught. Over the course of about three weeks. It's getting later this time of year. So, it's dark at 7, 730. Like, you can't just go jump in your sleeping bag at 730 and sleep until 630 or 7 in the morning. I mean, somebody might can. I can't. I'll be up at 330 or 4. Refreshed, reinvigorated, and it's pitch black for four more hours. Okay. So, we get bored. So, we just fart around camp. You're setting your trap line and you're hearing them go off. We're hearing them go off, John. So. 10 feet away. And so, we start shining our lights on the traps and we watch them get caught. Pretty soon you're just caught. Now, we're just watching them. Where are they coming from? I don't know. I don't know. So, let's see. We went from hamsters to mice. How are we going back?

I'm just going to start throwing out random words and see where it goes. I don't know, Carter. That's what happens when we've all been gone too long and we're back and we've got to cover every bit of non. I got it. Speaking of late season. Speaking of late season, Chris. What I was thinking about is so the Onyx has a layer. And we're not sponsored by Onyx, although we should be. There is a layer that is the winter ranges. The travel corridors from summer range to winter range. And winter range and then concentrations for winter range. And so, you can go on there and overlay that with your maps. And it kind of gives you an idea. Deer winter here. This is good deer wintering ground. Pretty darn accurate. Wouldn't you guys say? Yes. Pretty darn accurate. It has been pretty accurate. And so, starting second season. Now, keep in mind, first season is not for mule deer. And it's draw for elk.

Second season is over the counter for elk. Generally speaking, most units. And limited entry for deer. You know. And then you've got third. And you've got fourth. Those are three rifle seasons available. Two for sure in every unit. Second, third. Yeah. Some. And then fourth. Some of them where it's wazoo, buck to doe ratio. That's right. So, we've got the Onyx. We can see where the winter concentrations are. Where they want to show up. I was talking to somebody about that today. They had a Gunnison Basin tag. And I don't know if they had a turnback tag or bottle liner tag. But they were just. I mean, it's two days before it starts. And they were talking to them. And basically, yeah. I was pointing out some of these very things. You've got to eliminate. I guess you can never truly eliminate some country. But by process of elimination, you've got to eliminate some parts of your unit.

And naturally, if you've got a unit with a lot of high country. And you've had some kind of weather and cold. You just eliminate that from possibility. And you start going to the highest probability areas. And the overlays that you talked about with critical mule deer wind range. Or mule deer concentrations that Colorado has on some of those layers. Those have been great. That tells you where the deer want to be. Where they're coming. Where they're wanting to go. If it's normal or if it's above normal snow or cold. That's where they're going to show up. Having said that, I want to say. We can look it up. But in the unit that I killed the big deer in last year. I don't think it was showing as heavy deer concentration in the winter. But it was winter range or something. So anyway. It's not perfect. But it's definitely showed it as winter range. It allows you to eliminate some stuff.

It does. For sure. And then also the travel corridors. So second season. They're going to be traveling to winter range. So don't forget some of the travel corridors. Or a warm third season. If they haven't really moved in in force yet. You're going to have a. You know. You're going to have them traveling. And so you watch those travel corridors. Meaning. And we're not talking like two little 12 inch trails. That they're traveling down. We're talking about a big area. You know. Like this five mile area. Or ten mile. Whatever. And so anyway. We do talk about covering the numbers. And I've had a lot of guys hit me up on Instagram and different things. Not asking for a bunch more private messages on Instagram per se. However. I'm always willing to help. But. You know. What do you mean by covering the numbers? Like. You know. And covering the numbers. I mean. Like. Late season hunting. You're.

Again. Right. We're not hunting specific deer. We're hunting deer. In general. And. And then. And so you want to cover the numbers. The more bucks you see. The better chance you have of finding a big deer. And. And the more bucks you see in weird places. That hasn't been pounded by all of our friends here in Utah. The better chance you have of finding an older age class deer. And. More. More groups of does you can locate. In little tucked away places. And things like that. That you check every day or two. The better. Those. Yeah. That's what we're talking about. Because this time of year. Stuff changes overnight. You go to bed. Nothing's there. And you go. I kill the deer like that. And call it out of that 61 buck. Remember. I had a group of does down low. And I went and checked it like four days later. Two or seven standing with them. With the same group of does. Yeah.

It was in a weird spot. Like you just said. It was like. I'll bet no one. Is going to come back here. One other guy. I think was there. Oh yeah. We told that story.

But anyway. Keep going. It was a bit random. Yeah. I was looking over his shoulder. At my buck. He kept walking. And praying. He kept walking the other way. We already talked about that story. He did. So anyway. But generally speaking. Yeah. You have it to yourself. And those deer. They've gotten a little aged. Because they were overlooked. Like. Especially if you got deer on the lower wind range. And you've got six or eight does. In a tight little draw somewhere. There's no way. They're not on their way anywhere else. They have arrived. Yeah. If you feel like that's a situation you're dealing with. They've arrived. Then you need to check them. Kind of like sheep in the rut. You know. Check them almost every day. We're. Very rare are we seeing the same buck two days in a row. Yeah. Wouldn't you say? Chris you've hunted color a lot. Tough sometimes. Third season.

You better kill them when you see them. Yep. Yep. I mean I had. I remember one in particular. I hunted a late season. That was the only good deer I saw. I had a fourth season tag. And I hunted the entire hunt. I went days early. I ended up being there like nine days total. And toward the end I saw this one buck. And he was a giant. And wasn't able to get on him. Never saw him again. Geez. Geez. That's just. Sometimes that goes in the rut. Yeah. They wake up. You know. It could be a blessing and a curse. Kill them when you see them. Because you. With nowadays though. With all this new technology. Thousand yard rifles. Amazing equipment. Would you have killed him? Oh yeah. I would have set up right where I was. And shot. I wasn't that far to begin with. But I knew I could get closer. Yeah. And so. I went down to get closer. And then lost the deer. Because you're too close.

And you can't see them anymore. Yeah. Timber and stuff. Yeah. But. Anyway. So. Yeah. Anyway. Late season. Covering the numbers. Finding stuff that maybe other people aren't. Just. We do. We do check where. The masses hunt too. But. But we don't overlook anything. I mean. It just takes one. So you kind of go back to. Yeah. You need to cover the numbers. More deer. Better chance you're going to find one. And deer change positions every day. They're moving around. These bucks are looking for a hot doe. They're looking for a hot doe. Starting. Partly. Partly in second. For sure. And third and fourth. And then. And so they're moving around. You need to be moving around. But then also. Finding these. Little hidden draws. Don't overlook the. The old rotten two track. That's never getting traveled. Take that one. Take that one. Let it scratch your truck. I put a lot of pinstripes on mine.

Last year. Yeah. Yeah. And it didn't pan out. Last year. But it does pan out. Oh yeah. It did for you. It didn't for me. But that's just. But it does. 50% on 200 inches. You take that every time. Yeah. Yeah. But it does at times. I mean. It's just part of. It does. Yeah. Exactly right. Part of it. So. Anyway. And then also. I want to talk just a little bit about. Being willing to. Being mentally willing to eat your tag. Being. Going to the last day. Right now. I just got back out of Nevada. It's the last day. It's October 31st. It's the last day in area 24. 241. 245. It's the last day. And there's nobody out there. There's nobody out there. You know what I mean. It's A. It's midweek. B. People are tired. And they're mentally defeated. And what's going to change for tomorrow. Today. I saw bucks with those. Wouldn't leave them. Walking to the truck. Like just. Just. It's just the last day.

Just a little. Little bit of. Just that. And they probably. Not probably. They pick up on that. Yeah. Deer pick up. There's a lot less trucks. And headlights coming in here. And they're like. Oh I'm starting. This time is starting to go back to normal. And so they. Hang out a little bit more. After the sun comes up. And then. And they catch that whiff of a doe. Wow. I'm kind of. Yes. We're going down that road. And then. Boom. You're the next one to pull around the corner. And you toast him. That's right. That can happen. That happens. And so. Yeah. I just think it's important to be able to hunt to the last day. I had a buddy that killed a great buck on the opening day there in Colorado on second season. And it was a good deer. It was just a solid mid-80s deer. But he had one of the tags that really had great potential. And. And. I said. You know. I said. That's a great deer. But. Dude.

I was hoping you would wait till the last day. Like. Just wait. Because. Because the storms were lining up. Things were happening. And. And he's a hard hunter. He would have really vetted it out. And figured out what was there. You know. And. He goes. I know. He says. I told. He says. I told my brother. I told my dad. He says. Everybody's going to think I killed a great buck. And everybody's going to be happy. And he says. Except for Jason. He's going to say. You should. It was right. And I said. No. I mean. And he did. Killed a great buck. He killed a great buck. Super proud of him. He hunts hard. But. I was hoping. He would hold out. So we would know. Right. How good is that? Good is it? You know. Do we need to be doing that next year? So. That's one thing in guiding. I've seen it come together in the last. You know. A few minutes of the hunt.

That's more often than I have on the first day of the hunt. How about that giant kill on the Henry's? Yeah. Probably the only guy left. The second weekend. One of the deer this year. That literally. About every. There's probably five. At least five hunters. On all three hunts out there. That targeted him as primary number one. I mean. I would say. You'd probably say. Number one deer. Or four or five. Or number two deer. Yeah. Yeah. And he got shot at a bunch in the archery. Shot at a bunch. In the muzzleloader hunt. That's a little close to home for Wyatt's team and our team. I mean. It just. Is what it is. Stuff happens. And then. Went. Went dark. Went dark. And. Last day or two. What was it? Last day of the hunt? Was it the last day? Last couple days. Or last time? One or two. By then you're probably one of. Day eight or nine. One or two. People out of 25 left. And. I don't know.

If that had anything to do with it. It would be interesting to know. Whether. You know. Just. Just the lack of. I mean. That mountain for 25 deer tags in a rifle hunt. You'd never know there was only that few tags. It's where there's 200. Right. When you're. The number of people that are down there. Helping. Assisting. Buddies. Friends. Family. And that's. That's just what. Kind of once in a lifetime deer tags do. You want to be a part of them. I mean. A lot of people want to cuss guides and that. For bringing that many people. And. I can't afford to pay as many people. As I see in camps accompanying regular people. And I'm not saying that as a diss to them. I'm just saying. It's a big deal. People bring family. People bring friends. And that's just the way it is. I see what you're saying. So you're saying. And when that starts to go away. Guides at times get a bad rep. However.

Some of these teams of families and friends. That go for free. Actually. May be. Potentially doing more damage than a guide would. I didn't. Wouldn't use the word damage. I'm just saying. There's a lot of people brought there. Yeah. And. It's not just 25 people got to go home. It's 25 people. All their family and friends. And when that relaxes. That mountain's. Back to normal. How it was all summer. And. And a deer comes out. And after two three days. Somebody's deer. And I don't care. Just like your deer in Nevada story a minute ago. They're just. They start acting like they want to act. Yeah. Instead of reacting to all the headlights and people and everything else. They're just reacting to that. And they're like. I'm going to the cedars. And I'm not moving. And by the way. When I go in there. There. There's pine nuts this year. Yeah. You know what I mean.

And they don't have to come out. There's bitter brush and pine nuts. A lot of them this year. With all the early storm and stuff. Pine nut crops off the charts out here. I have relatives. Did you bring any in for us? No. Oh. No. Sunflower seeds are amazing. You can buy them in bulk. And you. You don't have to pick them up one at a time off the ground. Immediately chewing. Probably been cleaned and pasteurized and everything. All of these. FDA approved. Versus just out in the wild. No. Because when they put salt on stuff. I don't think it has to pass FDA. Because they figure salt kills enough of the stuff. Oh. Okay. But. You're giving them a lot of credit for just a seed that gets shaken out of a bark. It's a good point. Because I. Once in a while. I pull out a piece of bark. Like. You know when you just throw a handful in. You're like. Then you. Oh. Here's a two inch piece of bark.

That's right. But anyway. I've got relatives that hunted out here in southern Utah. General. I mean. Some people didn't see a deer. I'm going to say it. Some people didn't see a deer. But they got 10 pounds of pine nuts. Right. And then some people saw three deer. Or their parties. These are good hunters. I mean. I know they're good hunters. You know. Couldn't feel all the tags of. You know. Just kids and moms. And they're not being picky. They're just. Deer hunting. Providing meat. And so. When that happens. You know. And they're blaming it on pine nuts. Of course. Everybody would like to see more deer. You know. But generally speaking. It was a tough one. There's other. There's other variables too. Yeah. Pine nut. Well it was a pine nut. Yeah. You can't predict that one. But that. That specific. It was warm this year. Full moon. I mean. It was like. It had a lot of things going wrong.

To have. You know. You had pine nuts. In some cases it's acorn. In some of our units in Utah. You get a lot of acorns. Yeah. In our gamble oak. Or other states. I know. But. And they're just. They don't need to move. They don't need to move. 10 square yards. They don't. Yeah. And they get a patch like that. They don't have to. So I think. Back to what we were talking about. On some of these late season. Finding the does. Like. You know. Now. I mean. In October. You find the does. They're does. We don't shoot does. Right. So. Or generally speaking. And so. Or we're not looking to. And so. You know.

You just don't think a lot about it. Now. You're thinking. Where are the does? Because. The does are going to. Yeah. The bait. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Are we reducing does to bait? Well.

Attractants. What do you want to call them? I don't know. They're. They're just. Well. It's everything. Your bait. Your bait. Honey. It's just. It's the same thing with cow elk. Maybe some live decoys. Yeah. Live decoys. Whatever. Okay. Well. It's the same with cow elk. It's the same with ewes on a sheet pump. Before the rams start thinking about them. Yeah. All right. There's 15 ewes and lambs. I'm going to remember those. It's true though. You know. It's true. You give it the right time. Boom. There are all of a sudden. Two. Three. Four. Six rams standing with them. In a matter of weeks. And it all changes. Yeah. It's kind of what we're talking about. And these deer. When some of these bucks get to the winter range in Colorado. They're there. And when they get there. They're not just out of the snow. And they're not just. Okay. I survived a summer up there. When they get there.

They start thinking about what you've been saying. They start thinking about does. And it's not always stupid. Because when you've got people running around. They haven't quite always let go of all their inhibitions. But that's what they're there to do. It feels like Colorado hunts deer in the rut for three seasons. Right. That's right. Second, third, and fourth. Kind of like Utah's elk hunt from archery to early rifle. The muzzle water. Every day in September. And they never have a hard rut. The deer in Colorado are never ruddy, dumb, dumb, dumb. Very rare. It feels like. I found one last year. Okay. I get it. But not across the unit. That was like. And it was weird. The biggest deer we saw by far was the dumbest in the rut. But he was also in an obscure draw. Very obscure with one or two deer. I don't remember. Does. One or two does. I don't remember what he had. So anyway. Yeah.

You know. So there you have it. I think it's just a matter of finding the does. Right. And then. And finding the good decoy. And a tucked away little spot. You know. Or whatever. And check on those decoys. You know. Check on them pretty regular. The bait. Right. Right. Whatever. Whatever. And so. Anyway. The nice thing about hunting these later seasons is. Is. It's anybody's game in Colorado on third and fourth season. It's anybody's game. Wouldn't you say? Yeah. Exactly. You just kind of. Got to be in the right place at the right time. You're hunting deer. They're moving off into. Searching different groups of does. And they're looking for. You know. A place to spend the winter. They're. It's kind of a crapshoot. Just all about being in the right place at the right time. What I enjoy is the guys that really. That want to go to 10,000 or 11,000 feet. With a foot of snow. It's like.

You're. It's one thing. You're wanting to do it. Because you love the high country. But there is a time and a place to hunt the winter range. And that's usually on these late winter hunts. Third and fourth season. Typically. You know what I mean. Typically. Right. Now. Are there going to be deer up high? There's going to be some deer up high. But. You might be wasting your time. You're definitely not going to be covering the numbers up there. Anything there? That's right. You're going to be hunting the. Stragglers. Although I've done it before in fourth season. But it was in a totally different year than we're setting up to have this year. It was in a year when it was. You know. 70 to 80 degrees through the second season. And part of the third. And. Like. There was nothing on the winter range. Even in. You know. It's one of those. The weather trumped the calendar.

Didn't matter what the calendar said. They weren't down there. So. We had to go. Kill deer over 10,000 feet. Just to. Just to have deer to hunt. I think we get a lot of questions at times. Adam. And Wyatt. And Chris. About like. Covering the country. Like. How do you most effectively cover the country? And there's. No question. With glassing. You're glassing. Now. You might be hiking to a high vantage point. But. We're not hiking. Elmer Fudd in it. Ready to kill something at 20 yards. Jumping it up. Yeah. You're hiking to a glassing knob to cover the country. And covering the country. I'll have 10s. 15s. And a spotter. Generally. And then we'll have the BTXs too. But generally that's a truck tool. Or you pull the spotter out. And put the BTXs in your pack. But. Generally speaking. You know. And if you get up there. And 10s is what you need. You'd use 10s. You need 15s. You got 15s.

But cover the country. Like. Cover it. And. Everybody has their own style of glassing. I don't really like talking about glassing styles. Yeah. Well. It's unique. As long as. The biggest thing is spend time. Most people. I mean. I don't know how many times. All year and all. I sit in the same spot from daylight till noon. Before I even think about moving. And it doesn't matter if I know if something's there or not. It's just. It doesn't take much. It's for something to come into view. And. I'd rather do that. And feel better about moving on. Than. Grab it for 30. 40 minutes. And move on. And just try to crush it. Because pretty soon. You think you've hit everything. And you really haven't hit it. Good enough. To say you've hit it. Yeah. And so. And. And I do the same thing. Except for. I'm kind of antsy. So my personality. I got a running gun. You know what I mean. And so. I get antsy.

Which. Which. Your tactic is. Is what you do. Sheep hunters. That's what you do. And it works. It works on deer too. It works on deer too. So that's why I don't like to talk about tactics too much. It's your personality. If you're not a running gun guy. You're probably not going to run and gun very effectively. Just like there's a lot of people still in Utah. There's. They sit ground blinds or tree stands to hunt mule deer from them. Are you going to do that Jason? Well. I mean. It just doesn't fit your hunting style or how you want to sit. It does work. Well yeah. You could have a great water source. And you're like. Well. I've only got one trail camera out of ten that he's hitting the daylight. Some people sit there like a whitetail hunter. And I've slept in a ground blind. I hated it. Okay. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. It's not. You can talk about tactics.

And when it comes to glassing though. It's very individual. It's about what you. What you can stand. And I think too. It's like. Ian. We've all. You've been with a lot of clients. I've been with clients and stuff. Like.

Sometimes. You know. If you're local. He might. The locals might outglass you. They can pick deer up in their vegetation. Because they're always glassing that vegetation. And the color differences. And every. Of deer versus vegetation. It takes you a couple days to get used to what you're seeing. And to see. To pick the deer out. And so. Like when I go to a new unit. Or a new state. It takes me a minute. And then by the end of the hunt. Wyoming. Whatever it is. You're like. You can see them quicker. You pick them out quicker. Color differences. You're getting used to the terrain. And I don't know if you guys have noticed that as well. It's just. Takes a minute. To get used to. What you're glassing. Yeah. I've definitely noticed that. You know. In all my different. Glassing. You know. Starting in Nevada. Utah. Mexico. All completely different colors. Schemes of the ground. Versus the deer.

The way they pop out at you. Yeah. And. And. And it's like going to Mexico. It's amazing. Those guys. His eyesight is amazing. Okay. But then by the end of the hunt. You're seeing like them. You're seeing like them. It just. You know. You're starting to. You're picking it out. It's all new. It's all new terrain. It's foreign to us. So to speak. You know. It might be a couple years. Between times. Trips to Mexico. And that vegetation. Is totally different. These guys are pointing stuff out. And you're like. Dude. I am blind. I think I saw an ear. Back up. These guys are killing me. Really? Yeah. I saw an ear naked. I had 142 yards. Sticking out behind a. Cholla pack. Yeah. By the end of the hunt. You're making bets with these guys. Right? That's right. I see it too. I bet it's a buck. No buck. What do you think? Dollar? Five dollars?

Whatever. So anyway. Chris. You've watched some of that. Oh. Plenty. Huh? Plenty.

Well. That's for another podcast. You don't have a dollar? I'll give you. You can use one of mine.

Give me back my dollar. All righty. I didn't do that by the way. So anyway.

Good stuff. Anything else we're missing. Do you guys think. On late season tactics. There are some. You know. Late elk cuts. Still coming up. Both out there in Nevada. Okay. And we haven't really. Touched on the differences. Utah has late. Late elk and late deer. I mean completely different. Jump into a rut. Jump into it. Different species there. So mule deer typically. Are going to pull down in the lower country. Like we've been talking about. A lot of times those bulls. They're going to go find a nasty hole. To lay up in after the rut. And they're going to. Pull into some of the most rugged country. You can find on a mountain. Mahogany. Okay. That's. Yep. One thing I usually look for. I'm looking for late season bulls. Is big mahogany ridges. I agree with that. 100%. Either alone or yeah. In little groups. Yeah. It's like. They don't move at times. The complete opposite. The rut's over.

And they're. Stove up. They're just. Wore out. A little bit like some sheep get. They just want to eat. And lay down and be lazy. That's really all an elk. Bull elk wants to do. In November. They just want to eat. And try to not move. You know. Like. Yeah. Just bed. And move very little. That's what I'm trying to say. So it's. Fortunately. They're a lot better to. You know. Pick those out. Because they're. You know. Six. Eight hundred pounds. Animal. Yeah. You know. It's sticking out. Out there. But. It's a. It's. It's easier from that standpoint. But it's also. Different than. Running and gunning. With your bow in your hands. In September. When they're bugling. It's like. You're. You're just covering the numbers. You're just. Cranking it. It's like. You gotta. Pull your reins back. And you're sitting. Sometimes at your truck. On your lawn chair. From two. Three miles away.

Glassing a mountain. Till noon. You know. Put the sun at your back. Yes. No. I mean. They are big animals. But. Two of the hardest hunts. I've ever been on. Were late season elk hunts. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's just. If. If. If they don't want to be found. And they're in that thick stuff. They just lay down. You're not gonna see them. By nature. Elk. They love. They like thick crap. For security. That's just. That's their security blanket. Yeah. Tough hunts. Elk hunts. Generally late season elk hunts. They're miserable. Yeah. Because they're later. Than like right now. They're generally later. And they're cold. High elevation. Like you're talking. They're just a little bit higher elevation. And. And miserable. Miserable. Snowy. Cold. Suckers. I always say like October 10th. The cutoff date. I don't want to be hunting elk anymore. After October 10th. Sometimes I find myself in that situation.

But I try to stay away from it. Yes. But that being said. There's a trade off of. You know. Maybe I want to hunt. And. And maybe I can actually draw a tag. Oh yeah. Because your. Your draws get a lot better. Usually on those later hunts. So it's kind of a toss up sometimes. Of. Yeah. Do I want to go hunting. Even though it might be hard. Yeah. Well. And I think this goes back to. This is when the glassing tactics change. It's like. What Adam's talking about. For me. I would be. I would be fine with sitting for hours. And hours. And hours. On. On late season elk. And I've done it. Like. Some of that. Because what else are you going to do? You're not going to jump shoot one in that timber. And you'd be amazed at how many animals are in there. And they're yellow school buses. And you can't see them. Yeah. You'd be amazed. And. You guys know this. And so. But. And so.

I've sat there for hours. And hours. And hours. And. And by the. By the end of the day. You end up seeing 20 bulls. If you had to quit the first couple hours of the day. You might have seen two. And. And so. Whereas. You know. Rutting deer. And covering the does. You know. Sometimes you got to be aggressive. And you move quicker. And so. Anyway. There's just a time for. You know. You got to be. And so. I think that's also where some. Prior knowledge. It's nice to have local help. Guides. Whatever. On some of these late. Late. Late elk are hard. Like you said Chris. And so. You know. If you want to make the most of a tag. That took you 20 points. To get. Or 15 points to get. You might consider a guide. These guys have the confidence. To sit. For 12 hours. And stare at this hillside. I mean. To sit there. And stare at it. And do it for hours. And hours. And hours. Versus.

Somebody that just drew a tag. They're going to look at it. And go. I can't kill an elk there. Even if I saw one. And so. I'm not even going to glass. When. There's. You don't really know it. But some of the biggest bulls. Have been killed there. Year after year after year. Or whatever. You know what I mean. Just to. Just to. Just. Throwing it out there. It's like. About. I think it was two weeks ago. I was out. And I was watching a herd. Of probably. Six or seven elk. And there were periods. Of 45 minutes. That I didn't see anything. And. They were there. They were up. They were feeding. And I just couldn't see them. Had I. Had I been in a hurry. And just. Went. Looked at it. For 15 minutes. And then left. I never would have seen them. I wouldn't have even known. They were there. Yeah. Where in deer winter range. Generally. Not. Not fully. But a large part. Can be void of trees.

A lot of it's just. Wide sage. Lots of sage. Yeah. And you might have some tree pockets now. Obviously. The pond's gone. It's different. There's. There's places that are thick. Freaking. Winter range. I'm not. I'm not saying there's not that. But a lot of times. You know. These elk. You're not finding them in wide open sage. You might. They might travel through. Southern Idaho. Or some weird places like that. Oh yeah. You know. That's a different. That's an anomaly. Right. But that's. Not typical elk country. It's like. You're hunting antelope out there. Yeah. You know. But. Yeah. That's crazy stuff. That stuff. That's Southern Idaho. Is something you ought to see. I mean. Everybody ought to. You'll see a herd of 200. In. Yellowgrass. I mean. How cool is that? So. Anyway. But generally speaking. We're talking about. We're talking about the. Bulk of the elk hunts. Yeah.

The bulk of the deer hunts. So. Anyway. Cold. Things like that. And then also.

When you're hunting elk. Like. Say. Say you spent all day on an area. And. And you saw. Two bulls. Or three bulls. You could go back and see five bulls the next day. And I don't think they're not like they're moving in from miles around. They're just moving around a little bit. But they're moving slow. You know. They're stoved up. They're feeding. They feed on one bush for a long period of time. Yeah. They do. One tree. They'll feed on trees. That's right. That's right. They'll stand in a circle. You see. Ten yard circle. Yep. Usually super predictable. Unless they've been. Unless they get bugged. Or bumped out of there. You know. It's a crap shoot after that. That's right. But if you're. That's right. You're stalking one. There's a good chance you're going to be right there. Most. Most of the day. You'll have plenty of time to get out there. That's right.

We've killed late season bulls from finding sheds. And hunting specific bulls. And lots of other people have too. I'm not just saying. Not singling us out. I mean. That's a good tactic. People that know. I'm picking up these sheds here. And consistently. And this is where they winter. And then I'm not. I'm not going to go get an archery tag. For a place I want. I want to hunt a bull where he sheds. Generally speaking. You're going to pick a late season hunt. So anyway. Lots of fun. This time of year is a lot of fun. Every situation is a little bit different. We just kind of wanted to throw something out there. Everybody's looking to go to Colorado. Especially. That's on our minds. It's on a lot of people's minds out there. And then of course we've got late season deer hunts in Idaho. We've got some stuff coming up. Even Arizona.

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So I guess that would limit to an archer that might want to buy it. All right. There you go. Yeah. Okay. I get it. All right. Okay. So that answers the question. Anyway. Yeah. Everybody knock down a freaking giant. Knock down anything. Tell us about it. Let us know. We want to see pictures. Stories. What not. Where can they go? Where do they send them Chris? Send them to photos at epicoutdoors.com. All right everybody. Good luck in Colorado and all these late season hunts. Let us know how you do. And until then. Drink a lot of water.