EP 138: Meet Our Newest Staff Member, Devin Archibald

it's the time of year we're back full-time where all of our hunts are over all of us got a pre-plan they are extremely tough to find you know everybody has different values what makes their hunt great anything to do with western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by under armor well hello everybody out there adam bronson here wyatt bowles chris peterson and devin archibald here with the new episode of the epic outdoors podcast coming at you from cedar city today and uh we got a special guest today we're actually going to call mr jason carter so we'll see if he answers the phone but we first off want to thank under armor for sponsoring this podcast as they do all the time great partners of ours and appreciate them being a part of the epic outdoors crew and our team and what we're putting together here so let's see if we can get mr carter on board

what's going on not much sounds like you got four big tires rolling down the highway yeah more like a truck and trailer well where are you headed boss we just had a quick introduction and you're you're mia today let everybody know where you're at yeah well i'm uh my niece drew a sheep tag down here in nevada so anyway she's 19 years old and i'm uh cruising down to help her out it's one of these late hunts anyway you know it's i guess the last time of the year yeah as if as if missing thanksgiving wasn't enough you're gonna try to miss christmas and see how that goes with janna no no no no no i've in fact janna pretty funny she's like the other last night she was like hey uh so i guess uh christmas eve is off huh and i'm like no christmas eve isn't off i'm gonna be back for christmas eve and she's like okay i just didn't know how important this sheep hunt was

you're like well i'm with your niece she's my niece-in-law she's your like blood niece however that works but it's your her brother's daughter so you're like i'm helping your niece sonny what do you want me to do i'm with family yeah that's right get serving gear not receiving take so all right well we're all here we got uh i guess as far as the podcast goes we just wanted to introduce our listeners to one of our new epic outdoors hunting consultants devin archibald you may have read in the december issue had a good uh introduction there but let's get to know you a little bit devin everything everybody pull the gloves off let's go let's do it so first off i guess tell us a little bit about yourself for those that maybe aren't members of epic outdoors so we'll get into it here at the end about what you're going to be doing here for us primarily but tell us about your background

who you are where you came from and what i guess what you stand for yeah price should say i probably have a couple of names devin archibald but why it calls me archie archibald so okay that's probably you don't i had friends for years that didn't know my name was really devin they thought it was archie huh yeah i've always called you archie still some today that probably don't know oh really that chris yeah i knew i knew but i sometimes call you archie but no i uh been hunting my whole life i i was lucky as a kid my you know we we had a little bit of property in utah and we i'd follow my dad around and we had any bull any bull unit so we got a tag every year every year yep yep ever since i was a little kid so what part of utah were you born and raised in spanish fork spanish ferk all right utah county

there yep southern utah county and uh anyway so you lived here your whole life for the most part and you and wyatt did you meet wyatt first as far as our crew goes did you guys go to college together is that where you guys met you and why did you know before that yeah we actually met guiding for doyle moss archie bald started a very young age guiding there for doyle i guess as a cameraman is how he well the first this the this reminds me the first time i ever did he called me i was 15 i think i was building a tree house for paintball we were paintballing and we were building a tree house i still remember and i was like who's calling me you know i wonder how we got how did you get your number did you have a connection or like i mean by the way we're not going to turn you in doyle if you're listening for

breaking child labor laws or anything but yeah that's what i'm thinking it's like a tree house yeah no i was friends with his uh his son cameron okay that so he knew you you just didn't say hey there's a kid in a tree house i wonder if he can film hunts let's stop and ask that i didn't even drive to the hunt that's how you know what i mean so but yeah i met wyatt 2007 was that 2007 deer hunting yeah yeah henry henry mountains 2007 good times met adam that same same trip down there yeah right we did we had a meeting on the mountain i think i fed you dinner the first time we met right you did yeah i'm not that bad i'm not that bad a guy anyway i can't i can't get over a dad building a tree house he's got a cell phone in his back pocket really did you you did you have or is it did you have your mom's chargeable i probably had my mom's

cell from the house the landline out in the tree hut well that's pretty good well anyway so you took the job i guess it was just to to shadow doyle or whoever else was guiding some kind of hunt yep first hunt was with uh denny ozted i was with shan ogden and we killed a 408 i was on a point wow and i was like this is awesome you know utah limited entry it's not the any boy unit you probably got to miss school because 15 you're like a freshman or sophomore in high school i missed a lot of school wow back in the heyday of utah's elk 2007 was pretty much there it was just maybe starting to fade slightly but it was it was the heyday so then pretty much i guess you finished high school fast forward you and wyatt i guess went to school a little bit together i remember college days but then pretty much right out of high school you were guiding for

doyle right yep yep right out so that was the year i graduated and then 2008 we went to snow college and then yeah we i always wanted to go to school here in cedar city at suu and here we are so i mean i i graduated it took me a long time because i never went i wasn't gonna i was not gonna go to fall off so you had winter and spring and i probably should have done a couple more summer semesters but that's what i did took the fall off and took uh winter and summer gotcha that was a long process but yeah i did it i finished i was 29 years old gotcha well that's that's great you stuck to it what have you so where is your what is your main interest you you guide um deer and elk mainly but what do you what charges your batteries the most or both of those yeah deer i mean walking up on a big deer you can't beat it yeah you just can't beat it a big big mule deer yeah that's great so

you spend a lot of your time i mean you started getting here in utah but you also probably now more spend more your time in nevada don't you yeah i went to nevada i think the first time i went to nevada is 2009 and i was i just loved it fell in love with it so you take birdie and late hunters over there and crush a bunch of bucks and then elk later which we've teased you a little bit about that those late cold hunts around ely in november early december oh yeah freezing to death yeah three we this year was three three in a row back to back to back season elk yeah it sounds it sounds like a 10 years to life sentence to me that's miserable but both devon and wyatt that we've hired here in the last year year and a half they hunt a lot and they have had a lot of experience experience in the hunting world for their age which i would still i mean they're roughly 10 years

younger than me so that's they're you know i i call them young bucks i guess because i feel i'm feeling older but for their age they've experienced a lot i guess what i'm trying to say and that's probably what's drawn us to them a little bit wouldn't you say jason their depth of experience for despite them not being 55 i mean you know they've accomplished a lot and seen a lot and been around a lot of clients uh both you know from like an application standpoint and a hunting standpoint yeah 100 i just passed some cops so you know i think you're at you're in that little you're in that little stretch of arizona down there so i think it's legal to talk for that three miles and then you're back in nevada so we're good no but i uh yeah they're gone now so it's all good they're uh no i think it's pretty impressive

these guys have done great job in fact everybody we called about old archie would have uh hired him back in three seconds if he'd do it so he came highly recommended um you know and it's just it's impressive i think we got an impressive lineup there uh in the office and uh he's he's done a great job it's not like we're just out to hire guides but boy it sure does allow him to spend a lot of time in the hills and uh we know we're gonna lean on him there uh don't want anybody to think he's not full-time he's full-time uh with epic outdoors although he'll be probably guiding a little bit in the fall and we'll probably curb that we're gonna expect a lot too so anyway he's uh he's a great addition to what we got going on at epic outdoors uh no question about it and you know and him and wyatt go back a long ways and even though wyatt runs a rough crowd we got a pretty good feel

about our teacher yeah it is we give these guys a hard time mainly jason and i and i guess well john um just a little bit about being bachelors and wondering every weekend where where they're going and when we're gonna see him or if we're gonna see him back in one piece plus we had to kind of you know after all uh wyatt's kidney stones you know we had to kind of go looking at some health insurance i'm just wondering what kind of you know problems archie's had you and i bronzen haven't had any problems we're getting old i don't know what it is with the younger generation maybe they drank out of plastic bottles too long yeah i don't know that plastic's probably leaching stuff into their bloodstream that's right all that bottle pure quote pure water yeah yeah i'm sure archie's got some things we need to learn about him but

so far so good everything seems to be good yeah and as far as i guess maybe we'll just introduce what what it is we're gonna do you guys have known jeff john here at epic outdoors um why uh devon's gonna step in and help in that that arena there he's gonna work primarily with uh with our outfitters and with with both you know book and hunts in the in the draw areas but also outfitters that have tags of a guaranteed nature whether that be in the lower 48 states or canada and alaska um stay on top of their openings be the network contact with them so that we can have fresh inventory of current openings that that people can book whether it be deer elk antelope sheep moose goat everything in in western north america that's going to be devon's primary responsibility um jeff's going to help help him a little bit there as jeff's got some

other projects going but that's what we hired uh devon for primarily now anybody that's been in our office here knows that there's a lot of cross crossing going on between cross from cross working with even license app uh consulting on the phone i mean like we talked about devon i mean you've hunted utah your whole life you're hunted a lot of units in nevada there's not if there's people calling to pick your pick brain on on 111 or 115 to 221 to 223 elk um you're going to be well equipped to answer those questions and even some of the a lot of the deer units over there so it's not like it's just going to be nobody here at epic outdoors is pigeonholed into one little job responsibility i mean chris chris is might be in charge of you know the podcast and a lot of our digital platforms social media helping john graphically on the magazine but then all of a sudden the phone call

rings and it's somewhere where chris is hunted before and we love sending chris a call just to just because chris i think probably enjoys a little bit too yeah it's fun oh chris loves it chris loves taking calls it is fun it is fun to talk to guys and once in a while and and i enjoy it well i guess just what i was trying to impress is that everybody here is is fairly well rounded nobody's expected to just do one thing clock out and go home there's a lot of interacting a lot of different places i mean even you devon you're going to end up talking with guys that that are in our licensed app service or clients that haven't drawn anything or they're waiting to find out draw results and you're helping strategize this or that before you can book a home with you or you're working with people in the states like new mexico or nevada that have guide draw tags and helping them get set up

with uh somebody to apply with so um anyway a lot of a lot of different facets you'll be working on but primarily that's what we got uh devon doing for us so we uh yeah i'm we're looking forward to what you can add to the team here which uh the show seasons are coming up here and we'll be at the sheep show the western western hunting conservation expo and so make sure you introduce yourself to wyatt and archie i guess and uh you know coming i'm the better looking one of the two might be true no you just you just rolled over quick wyatt just rolled over just gave it i better be careful i i have known wyatt for a long time yeah yeah we're kind of kind of probably holding back a little bit here well yeah that they are and i think they were nervous because i think devon's heard about our inaugural introduction with wyatt and wyatt didn't alluded to it a minute ago that

i don't know how long we had him on it maybe an hour but he had today he said he thought he talked for for 90 seconds or maybe two minutes during that got a few words in edgewise there but not much with you two just going back and forth so i don't remember being that hard on him do you jace i don't i mean we were hard but but i don't think it was 98 of the talking was you and i no but it was probably 96 and with wyatt it's pretty easy he just leaves himself wide open archie's been reserved and chris has prepped all these guys to to be careful because we've ripped this for so long and basically it's just old men living vicariously through these guys but uh no they've got the world by the tail and i think we're doing we're doing really well at epic outdoors we appreciate all our support i want to make sure

everybody understands we are a booking agency although we talk a lot on our podcasts about applying and drawing and theories and strategies and all of these things we also work with outfitters on guaranteed tags and that's what archibald's main uh focus will be of course he wears all these different hats we all do and and of course adam and i help guys book hunts too that's adam you were on the phone aggressively you know just last week you know booking people on sheep hunts and and we do that and i'm working with guys on deer hunts and elk hunts and whatnot but but of course devon's devon's main focus will be keeping us up to date on these things and and wyatt wyatt does a lot with the license application service now as this season gets started but but of course he's working on on booking hunts too so so anyway i think that's that's important to remember if you do if there's

guys out there don't have points there's guys out there looking to just uh you know supplement their draws with guaranteed tags and booking hunts and and uh that's what we do here at epic outdoors anything western big game you know we we we do it if we can do it and uh anyway so it's awesome we got a great team we got young young guns so to speak we got some younger guys mid-30s that are cranking doing great and uh really have proven themselves have great work ethic be honest clean good dudes and that's that's what we want here on our team channel to keep things going but but anyway we're gonna definitely give him a hard time we don't want to push him out the office here too quick you know today and have him run off but uh anyway good good dude absolutely so devon you've been here for oh maybe i mean since the hunts wound down i guess for full time month month and a half something like

that um but we're already um and i don't mean to put you on the spot too much but we're already getting it's the time of year we're back full time where all of our hunts are over all of us and uh one of the main things that you've been doing is is starting to reach out to some of these outfitters and about letting them know what openings you got um you know it's the time of year that that like jason said some people the draws for some people that's that's their hunting you know it's the mercy of the draw but other people they want to they want to know they have something next year and whether that's a two thousand dollar you know guided antelope hunt somewhere or if it's a forty thousand dollar stone sheep or brown bear or whatever um maybe if you can think of a couple of the the hunts that we have right now we usually send out weekly uh email alerts for hunts which i know

you've been doing and maybe tell our listeners what might be on the front burner right now um that you can think of i mean we have we have pretty much everything but a couple maybe the highlights that maybe aren't going to last that long yeah i mean we even had mexico stuff that's happening two three weeks you know that's right i forgot about those very few um the last email was alaska you know doll sheep you were you were looking for doll sheep stuff last week and that's getting tough you know guys will call in and say hey am i am i too early on this it's never too early no in my opinion yeah the economy is doing very well i mean in general and so the trend is generally when that's the case these hunts especially some of the more i guess we call them bucket list type hunts you know a sheep a doll sheep a grizzly bear a brown bear alaska yukon moose they're booking a little

further out if if you call if if you called right now and say i want to go doll sheep hunting in 2020 like we had some calls here a few weeks ago we've got a scrambling because it's hard and we found a couple of openings but it took a couple it took a lot of digging it's getting harder and harder yeah you know anybody in 2020 um you know it's probably full you get a little juggling around but but it's tough yeah also the price is going up every year i mean just just climbing on those bucket list type hunts that adam mentioned there just every year you know seems you know thousand plus dollars in increase in everything yeah that's generally the i i mean it's just kind of like anything it's pickup trucks carter wouldn't you say that i mean pickup trucks i mean they're not they're not they're not staying the same either it doesn't matter what it is you know

yeah no there's no question about that and i think we've talked about that trucks are on your mind though by the way i guess i do think we we've talked about this pretty aggressively adam and and of course with the boys we end up uh these hunts nowadays i mean even even if you say i've got 45 000 it's not available to book and i think that's you know especially for 2020 and i just think it's it's critical to understand good hunts are a premium a b they're non-existent for the following year it's something you've got to plan so even if you want to buy your way in so to speak or buy a hunt you got a pre-plan it's not something you can just decide now you want to go lion hunt and we can help you next month you want to go on an antelope hunt no problem but some of these hunts that are that are high relatively high demand compared to the resource out there are fairly tough to find a bit a good

mule deer hunt for 180 to 190 bucks 180 185 bucks i mean they are extremely tough to find and book even if you have the money ready to spend it and so um anyway keep you know if you have those things that you want to do it's never too early don't don't i was talking to a guy yesterday and he says you know i think i i will i gave him a couple names to outfitters and he says i think i'll call him you know next month and i said honestly i'd be calling him right now and you've got the points to draw he knows you're going to draw get on his list book the hunt because if not next week he might be full i might we might send him more clients and and uh i think it's just important to realize that you know if you're looking for something if it's out there don't be bashful book it i mean the economy's doing

great i know we don't see you know slowing down in the near future although you know specific industries may may experience slow down here this winter or whatnot overall things are doing well we're not seeing the price of hunts go down nor the demand go down and so i just think it's important to get on it's something that does require a little planning it's going to require devon and us to really dig a little bit to find the right hunt you know if it's one of these kind of hot ticket items and i would say that being you know mule deer upper end elk uh doll sheep and stone sheep i mean you can we can almost and when you agree bronson we can almost find more desert sheep openings with guaranteed tags than you can a great dollar or a great stone yeah you can and obviously they're more money than a doll but let's face it some of these doll sheep hunts are i mean 25 to 28 000 in certain

places so it's not like that's you know you know it's not like it's not jump change no it's not that you don't have the wide range of you know 15 000 and desert sheep or 50 55 it's it's narrowed a lot and don't mean to really talk about all these if some of you are listening and say oh these guys are just talking about these hunts that are you know out there and nobody can afford it and what we're just trying to say is that if one of these is on your list at some point um which it is for a lot of people if you you know want to last yukon moose or a brown bear um you need to have a plan in place to do it and if you read the january magazine which is actually at the printer and jason and i had i guess they gave us the mic for some reason john gives us the mic so to speak in january and says you know we want your application strategy well we try to change that a little bit every year

because if you just say you know mule deer and then here's my thoughts on mule deer and elk and they don't change a lot every year you know they really don't for no we want big ones yeah big big and i want bigger the next year you know but but so we try to we try to incorporate a little bit of our philosophy or thinking and by all means that doesn't mean everybody should think and act and do and value what we do but as you maybe read the january magazine those of you that are members of our service or those of you that aren't we we we gave a lot of our philosophy on you know don't be afraid to go hunting and and that that carries true for using your points don't let your bonus points hold you hostage so to speak um don't try to wait for absolutely everything to be absolutely perfect before you try to draw a tag and then you know only scout it up until the day you have to turn the tag

in and and then get cold feet and turn it back in and then be left with the same dilemma the next year um more and more as tag uh point creep and things like that are very active across most of every state and every species you're you're gonna you're gonna have to hunt more would you say middle of the road or average hunts that's what you're going to be able to draw on a more regular basis and you're going to have to draw and hunt those multiple times maybe eat tags don't be afraid to eat them um and to make the most out of them well and then transition back to what we were talking about a minute ago with these tags of a guaranteed nature if you have things on your list at some point everybody's financial situation everybody's status in life and family situation is different and those things obviously

they trump everything they trump a wish list of of a hobby that we do and that and that's hunting you know you don't want to over exert or over stretch a family or whatever that you have to but to the extent possible make a plan work towards it i mean you know there's people we all know guys that might buy a brand new truck every year every other year at 50 55 60 000 and they'll do it every every other year and there's other people they'll drive a truck maybe for eight or ten years but they maybe spend that extra 20 or 30 000 that they'd spend on new truck and they they go on hunting so what i'm just trying to impress upon you that if you have a way and i'm not saying new trucks are bad i'm just saying if you want to hunt a doll sheep yeah we love them if you want to go on a doll sheep hunt and you

can kick you know three five grand a year away for three four years and you know if you see that coming to where you got a down payment down you might want to think about booking something for 2021 2022 because like we talked about devon i think you got two or three openings for this year from like two two different outfitters and that's it not not counting a cancellation that might come up stone sheep like one and that's even surprising that we have one um so you got to be ready to to make a make a move on something when it's there and don't think it's just always going to be there because another thing we talk about jason is nothing ever stays the same it just doesn't stuff changes stuff changes it's non-stop it's just like i don't know how to explain it but i mean you've got to capitalize on it when it's here and just like you said when people are wanting the stars to

align even in your recent article by the way it'll that uh emac's going to be up here in about seven days but when you talked about everything being aligned and in these comment coming over you know i mean it's just you people are wanting you know they want it to be perfect for giants on the perfect day and five thousand cheaper than he expect you know than advertised or expected and and even at that i'm going to have to think on it for a month i think the important part is just you got to jump on them and it's not hey we're not out there to convince you to just go on every hunt that comes available we only want you to go on hunts that you want to go on but what we're seeing is is is a shift and i don't know if it's a comfortable economy or whatever people are booking stuff left and right and then the

quality stuff seems to be uh you know i wouldn't say non-existent but it's but it's uh and not necessarily rare but tough to find and when you find it act on it and so anyway there's also devon a few hunts we had a few hunts like uh boat based brown bear um but you know actually i've been on the hunt i did the land base but with the same outfitter my buddies did the boat based uh hunt and there's actually a couple of those openings coming up here this spring yeah that's right you tell us a little bit about those devon you got i think a couple different outfitters you know the alaska peninsula is open in the spring this year and uh we got some openings for for may right multiple on the south end of the peninsula so yeah that's a you know unique unique thing it's one of those things that most people

might have on a bucket list at one point but but um anyway no matter what it is if we haven't rattled off about it today whether it's if you're looking for a coos deer hunt in mexico or if you're hunting you know you want to hunt a mountain caribou grizzly or you want to hunt you know or or you're actually just wanting to book an outfitter in a state that you know that you have the points to draw unlike most booking agents throughout there there's a lot of booking agents but but i would i profess that that what makes us a lot more unique is the in the fact is that we book for outfitters with guaranteed tags but we also book outfitters in dry areas and we do the research in the units we know what units are producing but we also know what outfitters are producing in those units to help you get the most

out of your experience once you cash in your points so i want to you brought up oh go ahead i would just add to that get on that early too if you know you're going to draw wyoming or arizona colorado you know you're in that max pool point pool i mean it you can't be early as best you know quick as you can yeah that's 100 right and and the nice thing about those states you can kind of tell when you're going to get drawn even if you're not the max if you had i had a guy yesterday i've got four antelope points you know this is the year i want to go with uh one of my sons the following year all three of us two sons and him are going to go elk hunting in wyoming you can you know and i want to get things set up no problem we can tell when you're going to get drawn that's the one thing nice about us and you know not necessarily a traditional booking agency where we can analyze odds

help you get drawn help you book a hunt or we can just help you book a hunt with a guaranteed tag one thing i did uh answer a few questions this last week on an email and and uh also over the phone was mexico and are am i nervous about mexico and i want to just quickly address that because everybody's going to mexico and we have mexico openings in fact we have some of the best coos there that are that are available down there personal friends that we've guided helped on over the years that are that are going down there and basically leasing all the openings in unspecific areas so anyway to preface that you know if we knew of everything that was going on in even portland oregon or la or or salt lake utah you know if we knew all the the killings that happened the last two weeks in salt lake or or uh chicago you'd probably be mortified wouldn't want to go there and

that's kind of what's going on in mexico a little bit of the difference is is that you know when you're in a foreign country you do feel vulnerable it's a feeling it's it's not tangible it's just a feeling of total being totally vulnerable and so it takes it i guess to a little bit next level but i want to say i don't even know of a hunter that that has been harmed or maimed or wounded or killed and you know that has gone down there do you adam no no it's not and there's you know obviously the media is going to sensationalize most everything and that's not to take away from the terrible things that have happened to the families exactly yeah but but i mean you may i mean if you just make a news story out of every every place in the united states you you you know and try to extrapolate that out you

wouldn't want a white tail hunt down in georgia because i'm sure atlanta it's a freaking rough place you don't want to go down there so don't fly into atlanta because it's freaking got problems you know the guys we're working with are our first rate first class no issues um adam and i've been down to mexico many many times i've slowed down recently we're really busy in january um so i've slowed down a little bit it's not because of the danger whatsoever it's just you know i've kind of done it for 15 plus years and uh we're busy in january and we're you know and also i'm getting off four or five months hunting hard and my kids are coming of age i'm watching them leave high school even and and i've just tried to refocus just a little bit and this is one of the areas i've refocused but honestly if you're looking to do a hunt there's nothing better to do in uh december

and january and even coming into first week in february than to go to mexico in my opinion i mean we do have some amazing lion hunts as well but if you do want to do something a little bit different hunt deer in the rut with a rifle i'd definitely recommend it and of course we can help you and devin's got those openings that's right why you got you you both been down there but i was there last year mexico it's uh it's a nice place to be in most states uh your weather's always going to be better when you go south of the border in jan december january so just uh laid back is probably a good word for it i mean chris you speak spanish so it's nice to when i haven't been with chris but jason has it's nice to roll down there and you know chris is you know he's got his doesn't even have to have his

ears on to really you know what's going on behind the scenes it's nice chris to you know he can speak the language and knows what's going on right jason chris can speak anybody's language he'll speak it it's friend he'll speak it german you're full of it i mean let's go you know i'm saying i don't know about that i don't know about that i have always had fun i have always had fun going to mexico we've had some real good hunts down there over the years and it's definitely a place that i always looked forward to going um just a little bit of change of pace in the middle of the winter hunts are over with for the most part and it's just fun to get down there and do something something different and great food that's true you can't beat the food you probably gain five or ten pounds when you're down there yeah yeah that's true

a lot of corn chips and tortillas cactus their tortillas are unbelievable we do have coos deer mule deer and desert sheep available so anyway i didn't want to make this podcast about that but i think it's just a prime example of how we work in anywhere across the western u.s canada alaska and mexico and uh in in all western big game species i mean we're not we're not here just talking about you know applications although we do a lot of that we also uh work with a lot of outfitters with guaranteed tags and we're not new to the business i want to i want people to understand uh we you know obviously podcasts help people get a feel for you and and teach them about you and you maybe even develop a one-sided relationship i got people calling us up saying they know you know more about us than they do their own extended family and so anyway and that

does happen and that's the nice thing with with this day and age and technology but i but i do want to reiterate the fact that we've been doing this for freaking 20 years plus 30 years um and and this is all we've known and all we've done back in we were talking about facsimiles and you know who would know what a facsimile is nowadays how old would you have to be to know what that is and you know we used to email hot file lists what we call the hot file for reduced price hunts through fax and we used to type in 200 phone numbers typing and letting people know that there was a reduced price hunt first come for serve anyway that that goes back a long ways well email what was that device called i think there's only one guy here that knows what these guys are looking at me like what's he talking about

what's the facsimile but i'm with you rotary dialed phone that's right we didn't have switchboards i don't remember those we don't go that far back but anyway but uh anyway i want to give maybe i'm going to give uh ask devin a few more questions about what it is if you're looking for something kind of the process about calling in and and giving devin maybe some criteria for you to to get him working on but first off i want to give a shout out to the folks at moa rifles uh we went up there uh this summer and took their outdoor shooting school it's obviously there's a little bit of indoor stuff where you learn about a lot of the you know the ballistic ballistic components about you know long range shooting but but really then where you really had a lot of fun obviously is is getting the getting out in the field after zeroing your rifle and putting it to the test in shooting conditions um

and when they were shooting conditions that was yeah that sucked i think it was june and i don't know it felt like about late october up there it was a mile an hour winds cold and uh blowing like crazy a lot of steep angles uphill downhill you know rocks jabbing in your ribs as you're trying to get under under the gun but they put on a great shooting school in the summer but they also make great rifles picked up one of their moa rifles the ascent rifle that uh you know thousand yard mountain rifle and uh you know great little shooter i picked it up in the 6.5 prc love that little gun i call it my little kid gun because it it feels like a little kid gun but it kill it shoots a long ways if you need it to and it and it kills stuff but it it's not one of these big anchors on your shoulder so i you know

i like it when i'm packing when i'm hunting sheep or clients you know i'm gonna be helping them on a sheep hunt it's a great gun for that so shout out to them moarifles.com phone number 541-526-1820 but back to what i said a minute ago devon so what would you say what type of criteria if somebody wants to call whether they're looking for a hunt epic outdoors member or they're looking for a hunt and they're thinking they want to want to book an outfitter somewhere in a state they've got the points to draw or they're looking for an outfitted hunt give me what are some of the main criteria that you're going to want to get for them we have some forms here at the office but what are you know give them that process of the type of information you're going to want to glean from i think i mean obviously you know what your weapon is rifle archery where you want to stay um but i think even

beyond that you know everybody has different values of what makes their hunt great or terrible you know some guys want to go with their buddies have a great time they you know some guys want to go by themselves with just a guide one-on-one hiking all day so you you know if you call call any of us here just you got to tell us what is what you value in a hunt you know alongside with those other details yeah and there's differences in the style of hunt there's a lot of elk hunts yeah there's wilderness horseback hunts that you know jason you know i didn't even say anything jason i said your name carter i didn't even say anything i just said jason i could have said and jason is not that fond of but i didn't say that let's just go there because you spend a lot of time on a horse on a stone sheep hunt i know you love them and have endured a few horses it was two weeks before i felt

like i could walk straight up and down after i got done with that hunt but i you know that's just me i don't my my body has never been conformed around horses let alone 1800 or 2000 pound horses that they got i can't picture you anyway but where what were you gonna say about yours oh new mexico well i mean sometimes horses are love hey jill and a lot of times you need them and a lot of people a lot of people love them that that are growing up on them i didn't grow up on horses but uh i know enough just just enough to get bucked up and maybe even killed but anyway they're a necessary evil in some of these and that's what i think devin's alluding to is basically you know some people don't want to get on horses and some people do and but then we've got hunts that that's the only that's you've got to have them

and uh you know once a few times you're not a horse guy oh yeah well and i had my my cousin uh he you know his his son for whatever reason kind of i think he just got caught watching a couple hunting shows on satellite tv or something and and he's not but he wasn't really brought up in a hunting family but he you know you know his kids started begging him to watch more and buy hunting books and all that to the point he couldn't ignore it anymore and so he wanted to start coming with me on the henry mountains just as a means to get his kids out to see deer and i'm like well this is gonna spoil him for any hunts you're gonna ever take him on in the real world on the man tie or wherever you're gonna take him but come on down they're gonna have a good time but pretty soon you know he booked him on a first elk

hunt on a cwmu a private land hunt here in utah he killed the kill the nice you know 300 inch six point bull and then he surprised me one year he's like i want to do something way different i want to go so deep back in i want to go on horses and i'm thinking i know i don't i'm not a horse guy and he doesn't strike me as that but he he wanted to book him and his brother and so they had a couple points built up we booked him on a general season wyoming backcountry hunt and you know you might have read about their story last year in the magazine it was a epic they had a death march getting out of there and uh but anyway so our point is there's a lot of there's a wide range of hunts and elk maybe is maybe one of the examples of the widest range of those because you can turn them from the porch off

of a cabin in some places to to backcountry but that there's a lot of different things you want um to let us know if you don't want to sleep in a wall tent you don't want to sleep in a wall tent where a grizzly can sniff your head right through a 16th of an 8 inch canvas tent if you don't want that tell tell devin about that we don't know that you don't want to know that um jason you've you've been there done that and unit 10 sheep hunting with your dad years ago i think you had one oh yeah you were you were up there you were exhaling and he was breathing in your your exhale pretty much wasn't it well yeah side by side i mean this thing's you know grunting outside the tent we got i got we got the rifle right between us we're both in the same tent and i'm thinking you know it's like a little up there um you know you're in a tent you can hear things and at times you're like that's just me

hearing something maybe i was half asleep or whatever i'll just i've had enough of it i was like that's a freaking grizzly and uh i i just said you hear that and my dad's like yes he's wide awake huh yeah and i said is there one in the pipe and he goes yes hey i had a guy yesterday call in and just say hey you know i'm fine to go in grizzly country i'm fine to use horses and so you and my two boys it's gonna be a horrible lifetime you know hook me up these are the points we have so it's all good you know i mean again you know we don't know a ton of people that have been mauled or killed by bears one or two here and there but uh you know you don't want to be one of those guys but at the same time kind of like getting bit by rattlesnake it doesn't happen too often law of averages go home you live once you know what i mean that's right well and

that maybe brings on to the next subject you know physical limitations your age health health restrictions uh devon i mean that's going to help stir your where your thoughts are somebody even even when it comes to like doll sheep or mountain goats i mean there's a wide range of mountain goat hunts out there you know from you know kodiak island is probably not one of the more brutally physical tons of goats it's still goat country but versus you know some places in british columbia or the chugach or things like that so um physical limitations anything else that's nowhere and the other thing is you know price range obviously trophy expectations right i mean what would you say to people that are i mean everybody that calls they want 350 plus bulls and 190 mule deer i mean but you sometimes have to then ask a few more questions don't you about

okay i mean you're 73 years old um and you're you want to kill one big bull in your life but but you don't want to use your points on you know anything but unit nine or 23 north or south in arizona and uh you know those types of things and and we're trying to impress upon people may be a little bit more realistic with with your points or your plans even when it comes to booking hunts because i think some people are just too too conservative i guess they're they're not not taking an opportunity to hunt where where they maybe otherwise should i don't know well i think you got to keep in mind you got to be realistic about what you really want everybody 350 is such a common term and that's a giant bull and i think and when it really comes down to it a 320 walks in front of them they're crapping and realizing you know and so we could have helped them so many years prior if they had

been a little bit more realistic and their points with their points they could have drawn you know units that have really would have fit the bill and what they're looking for and so anyway i think all those are good things one thing i wanted to ask devin's got a quite you talked about moa a little bit but devin does have a quite a history of long range you know rifle and uh you know working in the firearm industry yeah i was at fierce firearms for three years so maybe somebody out there i've talked to about rifles in the past what did you uh give us a little background on what what kind of some of your job responsibilities were there oh i was a sales executive so you know you talk about these shows coming up i mean last year i went to mexico flew to dallas flew here i mean i was packing like a

month in advance for these shows so yeah a lot of a lot of shows selling guns uh long range rifles and like uh cabela sportsman's warehouse managed some of those those stores and yeah just pretty much all in the united states and canada yeah just part of that depth of experience that we were talking about earlier i mean you know we we you know when we were talking about devin's up bringing out he went from 15 to 30 something pretty fast i think it was mainly so we wouldn't get into any juicy things in the middle i don't know but that might be after we got to get him we got to get some of them stories why we're gonna have to we have to pay you a little bit to get you got some stuff on him i'm sure but like what really happened in the tree fort you know what i'm saying the tree fort was before our time he was shooting pigeons i was putting up a stand so i could

snipe my buddies at a paintball tournament or something but shooting pigeons out of the out of his neighbor's backyard or something out of his pellet gun but yeah anyway but yeah you know so to kind of make full circle but you know devin um great addition for us here you know we've we've all known of him for a while obviously chris and wyatt have known him a lot better than jason and i you know when he was going to school here and got to know these guys i guess in the bachelor hangouts in town which jason i don't even know where those are so i mean they in those circles these guys all met and became friends and whatnot but we're glad to have him on board here and we hope that you in in due time you know trust him with your call with the advice on maybe where to use your how to who to book after you draw a tag with your points or if you're looking for something to set up

in advance that doesn't require you drawing a tag any of us can help you here but that's going to be devin's primary responsibility like we said to keep on track of openings and and when people call in looking for something you know he may say all right i'll get back to you in a day or so or maybe he's got something right there on his desk right then but if he doesn't he's going to go to work try to find something that fits what you're looking for so uh use him it's what he's here for so yeah don't be afraid don't be afraid to call we've got a lot of guys here that have a lot of experience uh chances are that no matter what question you've got somebody here is going to be able to answer it um so don't be afraid to call it's uh part of your membership to epic outdoors so we look forward to hearing from you and i can't wait for the next few podcasts when we don't have to be so formal and

we can actually just jaw a little bit like i've heard i've heard just a couple of things about people having bullet holes in their trucks doing oh yeah that came out this morning yeah that was the only one that had a bullet hole go down through a glove box blow up the fan there on the heater but now it sounds like somebody else has got some stories too yeah well that'll be for another but it's good these guys then when they they don't know that when they just get talking about whatever they're doing as as bachelors or before before they came to work here it can and will be used against them in on a podcast nothing safe in this office nothing is safe anyway anything else we didn't cover jason wyatt devin chris that we need to you know we mainly wanted to introduce our listeners uh devin archibald which i think we've done

um you'll learn more about him in the in the magazine which you get nine times a year epic outdoors magazine it's monthly from december through june you're going to get one every month in the state issues that coming out like we said our january one's at the printer as we speak it this covers wyoming moose sheep goat bison and elk as well as arizona elk and antelope the next one will cover new mexico oregon utah uh they'll cover them in the order that they're uh open and uh hope you use us all as resources to help plan your western hunting stuff and if you have questions on things don't hesitate to give us a call so yeah that's right you know and then uh yeah we've got a got a few more things to talk about at some point we got that pack wheel in the office i was wondering you know maybe checking it out hauling some moose quarters up there in montana brown

on your hunt mate well i gotta draw a tag first carter that's uh that's you're the only one you're the only one that's drawn two moose tags in this office so i'm still waiting for my first

well all right then we need some of them max points anybody out there's got a big bowl bronzer needs to kill we pack it out with this pack wheel we got here in the office i'm not afraid to use that contraption it looks kind of nifty i don't know dude it hauls like 200 250 pounds chris you've done a little research on it haven't you yeah i've i've actually had a booth down there at the expo when i was looking at them a little bit and decided to start looking into it and they're a pretty handy little tool to just you know it makes it easier to pack things out and they're they'll go a lot of places that you wouldn't expect because it's one wheel you can go over rocks boulders trees and um just a great tool i've had a guy tell me that he couldn't wear the battery out went into region g in some of that country of course there's there's motorbike trails in some of that country and

especially in idaho and uh he went in hunted and came out says it's easier to go downhill and uphill with it than without it just because it's the braking system so good and it's got a ton of power i'm like chomping at the bit to check this thing out and then i've actually started seeing other people pop up on social media with them and whatnot so i'll call it right now i'll bet we see somebody at the expo riding one like a unicycle up and down the aisles i'm calling it right now i'll bet somebody's gonna try to do that and so if you're gonna be that guy i i'm just calling i'll bet that'd be the place that somebody says i know how to use one of these things watch this and they're just cruising up and down standing up on one of those things going down the aisles but one of these electric bikes yeah i

can see it i can see it i'll be packed out on one if i have to stand there all day for day every day but we will be at the wild sheep uh convention out there in reno we'll also be at the hunting

uh looking forward to talking to everybody there and of course our crew will be there one thing we did finish this magazine the january magazines at the printer we're going to come out be back soon uh right after christmas and it will cover arizona elk and antelope as well as wyoming sheep goat moose bison and elk all right it's already here kicking off 2020 so well uh if there's nothing else i guess travel safe carter don't throw you joint break of you know will bearing something like that down there so hopefully set me up for failure this will be awesome we're gonna smash a giant the hunt of the year i'm gonna be back for uh christmas eve and i'm gonna be father of the year i'm gonna be husband of the year all kinds of awards uh smash a giant ram hopefully all right all right well i hope that's the case so travel safe have fun and i guess uh

uh till next time everybody else have a great holidays as well