EP 152: What Do I Do With My Colorado Points?

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Chris at the Keyboard coming at you from Southern Utah. We're not quarantined yet. Our friends in Idaho say they're quarantined. I've got my six feet between you guys, though. Yeah, you do. We are. We're all good. So, the funny thing is, Bronson, so Adam and I, we go out to eat. It gets us out of the office, okay? We come in at three or four or five, whatever the case may be, six. Late day would be seven. And we go, you know, we work, and then it's nice to get out and, like, go see the community, support the community, right? Get away from the phones for a minute. Look at the sun. Make sure the sun's up. See the sun. And so, with this crackdown, and nobody can support our local restaurants like we like to do,

it's hard, right? So, our options are take out at the curb, okay? So, my wife's, again, Oh, yeah. Right? Okay. This is causing contention within... Well, not huge contention. I get her point, but at the same time, it is nice to go out a little bit, right? So, it's Friday. Today's Friday. Want to go out and see the world for a minute, right? But you're not supposed to. She's being good. Kids are being good. Everybody's quarantining ornery, right? And dad goes out and decides to do curbside, right? But you could get the Corona from like, well, there's dishes. Probably that styrofoam was made in China. All kinds of lids, silverware, you don't know who touched and where. I grabbed silverware out of our thing here. I know, and I ate with one that they gave us, which was bad. And then there's napkins, and Nick can live for seven days on those, and somebody probably squeezed on those.

And so now, it's just like the ant pile. I go out, and I get the white shiz on my legs, and I come back and poison the colony. That's right. That's what's going on. You saw her look at me. I even teased her. I walked in, I says, we're trailing the decon back to the nest right now. The daddy rat went out, got poisoned, and is poisoned in the nest. We didn't even leave the truck. She's looking at me like, you got a camper, you got a box trailer for a side-by-side, that might be your house. Fourteen days, and I'll see you. That's right. Quarantine for 14, let's see if you have any symptoms. So, anyway, that's... We're just doing our best, like everybody else, to try to survive, but try to not go crazy, too. Corona times are tough times. COVID-19, 17, and 18, that's all bad for you. Yeah, you get your parents moved down, and then the first...

And then the first week that they live at your house, you're quarantined with them. It's not the easiest thing in the world. And you got good parents, Chris. Love you, mom and dad. And your mom, she's probably cooking and cleaning. Your bachelor pad has never been cleaner. I've never ate better. My house has never been cleaner. Whoa! It is what it is. Having said that, is it worth it? And you don't have to answer. There are some struggles. There's family struggles everywhere. You're not the only one. Anyway, that's just the way it goes, but you know what, let's see if YY's working. Let's give him a ring. Should we give him a ring? Anybody think he'll answer? After last time, I'll bet he thought it was probably an emergency last time. I'll bet he's not biting this time. I'll bet he answers. I'll bet he doesn't.

I'm gonna say he does. He can't resist. He's quarantined. He's quarantined right now, so. It started off, Bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Hello. You screened in your calls, or what? I was just working on Colorado here. Oh. Well, we snuck over and did a podcast, but we didn't want you to think we weren't thinking about you over there. Well, thanks for thinking of me. You got six feet everywhere around you right now? All good? Yeah, yeah. I think we're all good. Good. No signs of the corona? No, no signs of the corona here at this office. We're still going strong. What about Colorado's kind of on the forefront of everybody's mind right now. Let it... you got any tips and tricks for trying to get into accounts and portals and things like that, Wyatt? I mean, what are you running into? This is a... I don't know. Just make sure you have the right email on file. Yeah, you know, they've got... they're one of the states that went to this username, which is their CID,

And a password. And so, if you don't have that, and you're not getting in, you better have the right email on file when you hit that reset password, or it's going to go into cyberspace. I think part of that is some of these guys have a service, do their apps for them, and they throw their own email on there. And so, if you were to go do your own applications, and you don't know what your password is, then you've hit the reset, and you've got to use the email on file. How do you get that switched over? So, that's kind of a challenge, huh? Yeah, yeah. You do have to contact the state office to make that happen, and they can be super busy this time of year. Especially with the corona over there in Colorado. It's running rampant over there in Colorado. Yeah, I do believe a few offices may be shut down, actually, too. Really?

You're running into that a little bit, huh? Getting a little, you know, fast busy when you're calling a few of those? Yeah, yeah, I have heard a couple voicemails saying that they are shut down. Ooh. Time to get your application in. Make sure you can get into your accounts. If you can't, you've got to call an office, verify the email on file, send you a reset password to that email, and then you can get in. Just one of the many things that you're going to have to encounter. How many points you got over there in Colorado, Hawaii? I think we've... Maybe I'm sitting on a big zero. I think we've just as well hashed over in a prior podcast. Wyatt just crushed, he's still crushing me over him using his points in an area that should have produced, and because he, and he still harbors harsh feelings toward him. We learned where not to hunt out of that, so it's all good.

Well, they doubled the tags, and who was to know? Who was to know? Exactly, exactly. It could have easily went the other way and had the greatest hunt of my life. Yeah. Since I didn't, I'm still going to hold you accountable. There was a lady that killed a giant, Wai Wai, and we know her, so. There was, yeah, she did. It happens. Well, what else? What else is on the front burner? Any tips and tricks for application-wise? Why don't we give our listeners? Right now, I just wouldn't wait on Colorado, wouldn't hesitate to get in. Of course, we've already hounded into their minds the season dates. Uh-huh. Well, yeah, you're not really gonna, there's really nothing, unless I'm missing something, and there's nothing now between, now on April 7th. We're not waiting on any results, Carter. The Nevada Guide Draw came out for the first year.

A few hundred lucky people. Guy draw was tough. We had guys with 17, 18 points that weren't drawn early rifles. You know, less desirable rifle hunts. So, pretty tough. So, there's nothing to wait for, I guess, what we're saying. You're not going to gauge the winner. Winter's not been crushing statewide. A couple little pockets here and there. Just a healthy Colorado winner. A normal Colorado winner. Nothing to totally stay away from. So, get them in and don't get to that last few days. I shudder to think about the last few days without full Full-functional offices and staff are going to look like trying to get a hold. And the 800 number or whatever the draw contractor number is 50 times worse than trying to call an office. So, good luck getting through. Yeah, and a little bit sooner deadlines, you know, Montana, deer and elk, and then Wyoming Buffalo as well coming up quick.

That's next week. Yeah, we got that coming up April 1st for Montana. We got all our guys in there. Adam and I cranked on those a bit. Kind of exciting. Got me fired up. I actually applied myself. How about that? Did you actually go through it and do it? Yeah, I got to the checkout screen. And then decided, I'm going to go do a podcast and see how I feel about it in an hour. It's probably timed out. I'll tell you. Oh, that's a mule deer junkie for you. He's going to pay $700 for a general tag application. Have a 1 in 200 shot at 270. At a 270 tag. 270 tag. Well, there's some big deer that come out of that country. So, it's hard to ignore it. And with the corona out there, maybe I have a one on 150 shot. Maybe it gets a little bit better. Huh? I don't know. But... And then, you know, Wyoming bison, your best shot

at a free-range bison application, I guess, best odds. March 31st, it isn't terrible odds. It's not bad. It's 4,500 bucks. If we're just gonna round the whole numbers, we'll do that. I always, every time I think of Wyoming Bison, I can't get our good friend McKenzie out of my mind when he was a grinding. It was tough. It depends on the weather. A couple years ago. It could be a grinder. It was a grinder. He went back last year with his dad and had a great hunt. He killed another great one. I know. A lot of guys did good. It just took them to the end that couple years ago. Yeah, Hank. You talked me into it, Wyatt. I'll get it in by Tuesday. Come on. Snow and bitter cold. You're gonna do it? Yeah. Promise. You get... Pinky. Pinky promise.

How much meat do you get off one of those? Oh, a lot. Yeah, that's right. You're gonna do it? Get you through some hard times, like what's going on right now. That's right. You're gonna do it? Get you through hard times. I normally have, yes, Mr. Carter. Have you seen what the tag fee is? I just said $4,500. In corona times, that's a lot. It's not like dog years. There's no multiplication factor. I mean, it might be, but hey. Hey, coming from somebody that shot one when he was 15 years old and says, Buffalo, I done that a long time ago. Why would you want one of those now?

Hey. I mean, geez. I know. Somebody else wants to shoot one, too. Yeah, I know. I know. I wish I could, I would shoot one nowadays. Like, back then, that's a distant memory. Keep in mind, 30 years ago. Wow. 30. Do you remember? How old are you, Chris and Wyatt? Are you guys 35-ish? I ask you four to five times a year. Chris was playing with his belly button in a bathtub 30 years ago. I mean, geez. That's probably correct. Wyatt, what do you got to say? You're kind of quiet over there. You about to say? No, just still over here, just waiting to get back to Colorado. I'm going to let you guys tell our listeners on where to and how to. Pushing Tonka trucks around on his knees. Wyatt, did we get you in trouble last time we had you on the podcast? Are you out of hot water yet? Can we talk about that or not? No, find out the girlfriend does listen to the podcast.

We had some faithful listeners. A lot more female listeners than I thought. Well, and it was, it was, she obviously listens because of Wyatt's association, but what was the specific comment that she keyed in on Wyatt? Well, set us up. What was the setting? I think it was hand in hand with the sun setting and how it got. Oh, yeah. You were, you were. It was on the kidney stones. Yeah, but you, but she didn't call you about it. Way to tell, you guys don't live in the same town. You're not far away, but way to tell she had you in person, right, before she brought it up. Yeah, out for our Sunday walk, and she brought it up, hit me with it right there. Hand in hand, she wanted to visit, you guys turn, you look in each other's eyes, and she says...

So, you really didn't want to talk to me, huh? I believe that's the comment I made, is I didn't want to talk to her that time, because she was proving me wrong. So, I am of little value. I'm a nurse, and I didn't help you. You really believe that? Did it go down like that? You're doing something like that? Basically. She's a good lady, Wyatt. We like, just so everybody knows, we're just giving her a little jab. Just teasing, but it was fun. It was in regards to the kidney stone, crawling to the hospital, crawling to the truck, and I don't know. Well, and to keep it real, she's two hours away of hard driving, huh? Yes. Nothing really she can do to help, and you don't mean that in a bad way, but there's nothing anybody can do.

I'm sure you do. All right, anyway. Tough hombre. Just like Wyatt Earp. I think that's the name's appropriate. No more creatine, no funny drinks, just water. All right? Just water. All right. Okay, sounds good. Well, good luck with Colorado. All right, let's let him go. All right. Did you know about any of that, Chris? No. Oh, she freaking, what do you mean you said in the pod, because I was no help. She's like, what do you mean? You didn't want to talk to me? Really? I mean, their relationship grew from that. Come on, tell me it didn't grow. And helping them grow, too, it's okay to throw a little bit of here and there. Just test them out a little bit. Bronson, what's the most... Let me ask the question. Well, I'm just wondering, what is the most asked question that you're fielding at the call center right now?

Well, for about the last two, three weeks, and probably for the next two, three weeks, it'll be Colorado deer. It seems like it's that way every year simply because there's so many options. Two to three rifle hunts in every unit, sometimes more, sometimes a high country rifle hunt, and then archeries and muzzles and point tiers from zero to 26, right? Yeah. And options everywhere, and then of course, the date shifting later this year, have a lot of people interested in that, and some people are looking forward to 2021 We're looking at, saying should they wait, and our general message is don't, for a couple reasons. One, get what you can while you can get it. Point creep's alive and well and harsh in Colorado. It really is. It's difficult. Kill them while they're alive. And we're thinking it's probably going to get worse in the next two years. Well, the thing is, you kill them

while they're alive. Like, you could have a devastating winter this winter. You're going You're going to have point creep because you have point creep more than anybody even thinks. You got these low tag number, especially the low tag number groups where you end up with just a few applicants who can make all the difference in the world in what it takes to draw. Just a few applicants on 10, 5, 10, 15 times. Very important to keep in mind. Everybody talks about point creep. How much is it going to jump? Well, it's obviously a product of who applies this year, but you hit the nail on the head. If you're talking about a unit with a thousand deer tags, and three or four hundred of them going to non-residents, gonna have a lot less impact, very minimal, you might say, in a situation like that, versus units with 30 to 50 total tags, or 10 or 20, and you got

three to five to eight total non-resident tags, eight living people out there with your points or more that can do damage. It's pretty volatile. Yeah. No, there's no question. No question. And so, you know, a lot of guys, and it's a natural human thing, you want to make the most of the points you've saved and whatnot. And there's guys with 10 points, and what do I do? And then they look at a unit that takes, you know, maybe some guys drew with six, you know, and a 100% draw with seven. You know, it's hard for them to use 10 points on that. It's kind of like in the college days. I can't talk about those days. Those are off limits for the podcast.

My marriage is staying intact. Okay? I can't even finish it, because that's funny stuff. I don't care who you are. Go ahead. But when you go on a group date, you got about six or eight or ten of you, and everybody's handed a $10 bill. You'd ever do one of these dates? My wife and I did. It's actually our first date. Anyway, you got to go to the store, and it might have been five bucks. I don't remember. It wasn't a big amount of money. You got to go to the store. Of course, this was 1995 or six, so you could buy a lot more of five dollars back then than you can now. Oh, yeah. But, it's kind of like when you go then, and you're supposed to make a meal, the group of six or eight couples, and everybody goes and buys, you can't talk, you buy something, and then you got to come back and make it. And you want to come in by the skin of your teeth. If you got five bucks, you want to buy

$4.97 worth of food. You want to come in by the skin of your teeth. So, you might grab free packets of mayo and a packet of mustard. So, that's free, right? Or whatever. Whatever. The ingredients might be whatever you're gonna make. You don't want to leave $2 on the table when you could have spent the full five. That's kind of what you're talking about in college. People want to spend every inch. Yeah. People want to burn 10 points on a unit that was drawn 1% with 10 points. They want to be the

He's the one guy that got it with him. Well, it does feel good to do that once in a while, but having said that, we've got guys, I talked to a guy today, I got 20 points, okay? I've been doing this for 20 years. And I said, yeah, you've been trying to get just something out of reach 20 years in a row, or the last 15, really. And now you're sitting at 20, and you're still doing it. You're still doing it. And so, anyway, yeah, it's a natural thing.

It's a natural thing. But our point is, to go hunting, burning something that takes two or three points less than what you got, especially if you've got eight, ten, twelve, fifteen, sixteen, what does it matter? If it's the kind of hunt you want, get that out of your mind that you, quote, wasted two points. You didn't waste two points. You got drawn. You got drawn. You didn't waste anything. That's right. So. I just, I got a question. This is a little off topic. Just like, is this another college? I just want you to, I want to ask you a question. Chris, will you guys ever look at a gas pump the same, ever again? I doubt it. Ever. Think about that. A moment in time, the coronavirus has changed the way we look at gas pumps. I look at that thing and I go, I need gas. I look at my gas cage. I need gas. I look at the gas pump. That's gonna kill me. I look at the gas cage. I need gas.

Let's talk about other things that elicit that same reaction. One of them for me is one, you can't go in the banks anymore, right? Everything has to be done through the drive-thru. The little canister. Bronson gets mad, throws a fit. Huh? You're throwing a fit. They're charging you $5 on this account that you didn't authorize, and it makes you mad. You didn't read the fine print. Whatever, whatever. But that's not what we're talking about right now. Well, so now you can't close the account. I can't go into my, because I can't go into another bank and open an account. Okay. Okay. So, that's another story. Okay. Makes you mad. Every time you got to get money out, or you got to put money in, you got to use the little can. It's all drive-through now, which we use quite a bit, but now every person is handling that same, we'll call it a little money pod. That's right. Every person. Every hand.

Every hand. Think about that. Think about that. They need to have little, you know, alcohol wipes. They say they do. They say. I've read. I haven't seen it down the line. They have a little sign. We're doing this, but that's on the inside, and I don't know if it really happened. You've got to push the button that says send. That button's not getting cleaned. All of it. All of that. Yes. Where the canister goes flying up into outer space, down underground, and ends up over there inside the building. I don't like it. And then they send back stuff. Okay, go to the mail. We go to the mail, we open up the mailbox, and we pull out letters. Where's that been? Well, they came from various places across the country. How about two or three weeks ago, you and I got something here at the office from China? Remember that?

Yeah, there was a package in China. Parts for John. I think it was for John, and I'm like... It was in Chinese, the writing. This was not made in China. This was literally from China. From China. Parts from China. All the writing was Chinese. And I look at it, and I go, that's a terrorist act. This is three to four weeks ago. Somebody could be charged for this. Anyway. So, we put it on John's desk, and we... Walked away, and we washed our hands. We shut the door, shut his door, shut the other door, left it to his own office.

He's in an office. And he'll come in, touch it, and then go home. Right? Daddy rat goes home with white on his legs. Right, Chris? Daddy ant, daddy ant, shuffling his way back. And there Jen is. There Jen is. So, anyway, what about the free newspapers that are thrown at your basement steps for, you know, the Daily Sentinel, all the ads, all this kind of stuff? What about that, huh? I'm just saying, you know, and, okay, and this is... Adam, tell me about the group of sheep. A group of sheep. You get high populations of sheep, what happens? Potentially. Yeah, you don't have spatial separation stuff. How about rabbits? How about rabbits? How about coyotes? I mean, it's just part of it. You got the plague, you got parvo, you got everything. So, anyway. Alright, so now back to Colorado deer. I just, I don't know. Gas pumps. Went from gas pumps to banks to parvo to...

It's changing our lives. Everything's changing. Everybody's lives out there. So, anyway... Colorado Deer. Colorado Deer. So, let's just say there's lots of guys calling in. I got two points. What are you going to do? What are you going to tell them, Bronson? Well, you usually start with the weapon preference, and if they want to go, everybody wants to go, and I say everybody, 80%. They want to hunt third or fourth. Well, your options get pretty limited when you say, I only want to hunt November with a rifle, because doesn't everybody? So, you start looking, generally, you're going to have to look at units with a lot of tags. You know, that 18 cluster, the 35 clusters, 43s, you know, of course, 33s, 34s, which Chris, you know, Chris and I know all about that. It's not worth a fraction of the money it's printed on, that tag. Really?

Well, there's a few big deer. Emphasis on few. But that's it. There's a couple of giants that show up in the Winter Range, but they come from private and obscure, tight, thick, canyony, brutal country. Half the unit is a cliff face. Yeah, 25. I mean, you've got a lot of these units we're just rattling off here. 71, 711, you've got things like that. What's the common denominator? It's a lot of hunters. The reasons you can draw something in November, third season, is not because they've got 10 tags. You've got hundreds and sometimes thousands of tags. That's right. And so, that's your trade-off. And keep in mind, I've not hunted Colorado before. During the second and third rifle seasons, you've got what also going on at the same time? Over-the-counter elk. In most of the states. In most of the states, you've got over-the-counter elk hunters, and so you're just dealing with

orange everywhere. So, anyway, and I had a guy say, you know, you talk so negatively about it, and I'm thinking, well, it's not that. You've got to point it out. We would do it. We do it. We do do it. I've done it for 15 years, for the most part. You just better be prepared for it, because if you're like, I'm sick of hunting my general. I've heard so much about Colorado. You're going to go over there. How many people do you say, Jesus, my general is better than that? Yes. How many times do you hear it? Because they're only general hunting deer. You go to Colorado, you're hunting deer and elk at the same time, and bears. I mean, bear tags are over the counter on those if you have another tag. It's just something to be aware of. Now, you start jumping up to four to five to six points, you can start looking at units

with lower tag numbers, or in some cases, you can shift to that fourth season and draw some of those tags that take zero to one on the third, that maybe they take two to four to draw the fourth. You still got a lot of tags, that 18 cluster, you know, the 25 clusters. You know, but you weed out the, you got a lot of tags, but you weed out the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tags. That's right. I think we should talk about, too, the differences in our We're going to take maybe on the second, third, versus fourth. Not necessarily units, but just the difference in seasons. And like, there's some prime examples, like 22 fourth has been taking 20 points, you know, and 22 third has taken nine. 22 second takes four. Yeah. Four to five. So, I mean, there's a huge difference. And that goes till November 1st this year. Think about, what about 44 second?

That's right. It goes till November 1st. Right. And some guys with six draw it, versus let's say... That's right. Susan, let's look at that. 22, 100% with 22. We're talking non-risk. We're talking last year's drawing odds. That's right. And so, you know, and I know guys that got 24 that are thinking about or contemplating it. Who knows what will actually happen. And then you jump to a fourth, which is 67% draw. 25. 24 points last year. Yeah. 25 for this year. So, anyway, part of the drawing odds, real quick, if you're looking at the drawing odds in the magazine or on our website, which you should be, remember those are points last year. You have to minus one off of your level now to plug yourself into that equation last year. That's right. How you would have entered the draw. What did you have last year? If you have 10 now, you had nine last year. Just keep that in mind.

Obvious things that maybe some people just, they overlook it, because they're looking at these draws. Anyway, and then second, third, versus fourth. In my mind, Bronson, think about this. We're so excited for next year, right? The season dates are so exciting. I mean, we're going to be there. You all should be there.

Everybody should be there, right? I guarantee I'm not going to be there where most people think they're going to want to be there, though. Okay. I'm going to go earlier. I'm going to just give you that hint right now. Okay, there you go. And that's my point. The guys are excited about third and fourth. Well, maybe the second is the best, depending on when the storms hit. It's going to end on November 7th. I had this discussion with somebody that was contemplating on drawing this year or next year. They had the points to draw a fourth season, and the dates next year or even later. This year is what, the 18th to the 22nd?

Next year, it goes the 28th, 24 to 28th. Yeah. Is that right? Next year? Yep. No, next year, the second goes the 24th. No, I'm talking the 4th in 2021. The 4th in 2021 goes November 24 to 28th. Okay. So, they're contemplating those versus this year, the 18th to 22nd. I'm like, and the unit that they were going in had hundreds and hundreds of tags, hundreds on the second and third. And I said, let me paint this picture. You've got this year, they're late. Next year, they're even later. You've got a second season that goes till November 7th, a break, and then a third that's like the 13th to the 19th, and then you're gonna wanna go there with a grin and you're gonna conquer the world? Because you have the best season on the latest hunt ever in recent history. And he said, I'm putting in this year. I'm drawing this year. That's right. And he should. I think should.

Well, you're hunting after everybody gets done this year. We go through a winter. Who knows what it's gonna be like? The A, that's right. That's out of your control. And then next year, you're going to wait until the second has never been later, the third has never been later, and you're the last gun. That's right. You're the last gun. Yeah, that's right. John and I experienced that two years ago. We went on the later season. In a unit that's a lot of tags before you, right? Exactly. And the storms came in early. The guys on the earlier seasons had great hunts, killed bigger deer. By the time we got there, it just felt like everything was gone. Yeah. Remember that when I hunted the fourth, and I think John was on the fourth. I was in 18, two years ago, or three. Dude, I lose track. Yeah, I lose total track. I mean, but anyway, for all intents and purposes, let's call it several.

The second was awesome, Chris. There was several 200-inchers killed, okay? And because of social media, we get to enjoy everybody's pictures, right? It's getting us wound up. Third, no change in weather, little bit of complaining and murmuring, right? Come into the fourth, we were hunting leftovers of the second and third. It was brutal. Okay. Yeah, and that's kind of what we're trying to paint the picture. And it will be, that scenario will play out the worst in units with hundreds and hundreds of tags on second and third season. If you're in the unit, let's just say you've got 100 second season tags, you've got 30 third season tags, and 10 fourth season tags. Okay, it may not happen. They're gonna take bucks from you, but it may not be like the units that have 1,500 second tags. 1,500 thirds, and then 200 fours. That is a recipe for hunting gut piles.

It'd be fine if you were hunting coyotes. Yeah. Buy a bear tag. If there's one that hasn't dinned yet, you might kill one. Anyway, so at the end of the- What's that? I was going to bring up the opposite point of that. But, do you think there are going to be a couple monsters that appear that were just in deep timber and didn't come out until late? Chris, You're hunting governor tag season dates, for all intents and purposes, in normal auction tag season dates in normal states. The Colorado governor and raffle deer tags, west of I-25, can only go until November 30th. That's right. That's two days after the 4th. A&D values those tags. It does, in my opinion. The nice thing is for those tags, they get to plug and play in any particular unit. September 1st. Yeah, that's kind of nice.

But having said that, I mean, you've got general season, let's call it general, it's limited entry units, but you've got limited entry deer tags that were drawn with points that are, you know, out there killing stuff, left and right. I do think there will be, Chris, and I think in those low deer density units with the moderate to lower tag numbers, because of the low deer densities, I think those potentially have that. Now, in units with a lot of deer, yeah, you still have the potential for something to show up. But if you just go with the odds, I don't like them. I don't like my odds in that situation. So, I think people will burn a lot of points on the 4th in 2021. They will, because the dates are unlike anything we've ever seen in our life. When do you ever in your life get to hunt deer with a rifle November 24th to 28th? Never. How about some places in Nevada?

Arizona, when you go to late tag. Nevada and some of these crappy units, so to speak. Arizona late rifles on the Kaibab 12B, 12B, 12B, that's about it. I mean, really. Works every 15 years for a non-resident on that one. Or 20 or 20. No, 25. 20 plus, if it's a strip, or whatever. Right. So, yeah. Anyway. A lot to consider, but we're just... And what's... Okay, so now let's flesh it out. At the end of the day, you haven't taught me anything. I'm a listener of Epic, and you guys are telling me all this stuff, and I don't know the takeaway. I don't know the takeaway. Okay, what is that?

Is it second? Now, at the end of the day, are you going to do second? Are you going to do third? Are you going to do fourth? And which year do you do it? And that's what, I guess part of it, a lot of the equation is, is you personally. How did the corona hurt you this year? Is it a year you don't want to hunt? Is it a year you don't have time? You do have time. And then, or do you really want to go next year and play with the season dates because you'll never be able to do it again? I mean, there's a lot that goes into it. And then second versus third versus fourth, those are all personal decisions. Sometimes guys can hunt, let's say 44. You want to hunt the best unit in the state, go hunt 44 second. You don't have the points to hunt the third or fourth, maybe you play the luck card and hope for good weather, and you kill a giant. You steal a giant off the best unit in the

state for seven or eight points for a non-resident. You know what I mean? And so, there's a There are options to go and hunt otherwise, you know, unobtainable units on earlier season dates that are maybe less desirable, you know. And then some guys just want to take and hunt the best season dates, no matter what, on a less desirable unit. Yeah, and that's the trade-out. And we've done, there's no perfect answer, we've done the full spectrum. We've used our points and gotten what we thought was the best tag for our points.

We've also played season dates only. You've done that in recent years, gone fourths in years, and you're like, I want to go on the fourth this year. All I got time to do, line up and draw fourth, and you go hunt. Don't get one thing in your head and get stuck on that thing, I guess. You got to be a little bit adaptable. If you've got points to do some damage in Colorado this year, go in the air with your eyes wide open a little bit. I will say, Carter, there's a lot less tendency for a second season to out-creep you. Then a third or fourth this year. Oh, yeah. That's underutilized, totally. The biggest, second biggest deer I ever shot in Colorado, I killed November 2nd, rutting their guts out that year. There was an unprecedented amount of snow. It was 2004. It was my first time to Colorado, and I thought, this is the Garden of Eden. I've never seen anything like this. 16 years ago. Yeah.

That's what keeps us going back. It's a lot like Mexico. I've never seen anything like that. One great year, you go for the next 10, praying to have something like that. But they were rutting, and I actually saw him the night before, couldn't kill him that night, killed him November 2nd. Is this the one with the bullet hole through the antler? Yeah, I don't know how that got there, either. Still not proven. No way to prove it either. No way to prove it. And, you know, I know an interesting fact about that deer, another one. I caped that thing out. I remember I caped it out and peeled up, you know, you're cutting the ears off on the side He's got a .22, one of those subsonic .22 bullets, laying flat right there against it, been healed over, laying there. Somebody tried to shoot him in the air in the past. No way. Kill him.

Got to be a poacher. One of those, you know, they're a little bit longer than a regular .22 long rifle. They're a .22 rimfire. It's a .22 rimfire. You think it wasn't a .22 .250? No, no. It was solid little lead, laying flat. I've seen them. My dad had something. They're They're supposed to be sub-saunt. They're like quieter, I don't know, like shooting stuff. It's like a short .22 shot. Kind of, but yeah, yeah, but it was a long, laying flat right there behind its ear, like someone tried to shoot it right behind the ear, right? Wow. And kind of a neat, I still have that little bullet. Come on. I'll bring it in. I got it. No. Wow. Just like the broadhead out of my Henry Mountain's butt in the shoulder. Didn't find that until the meat cutter went and picked up the meat, remember? And he's like, hey, you might be interested in this shoulder blade.

This shoulder blade, it's got a broadhead in it, and I just assumed... And it was peeled over. He's like, yeah. I says, well, I crisscrossed it from both days. It's probably one of mine. I don't think so, and it's not. We should show a picture of that sometime. It's pretty amazing. It was awesome. It actually went in... What's that bone that comes out of the shoulder blade that's raised by an inch and a half? An inch and a half raised. There's a technical term for it, I'm sure, but... Okay, clavicle. I don't know what it is. Anyway, it went in there. Scabula? Yeah, well, that's the whole shoulder blade right there, but it's the raised fin. When you bone meat out, you got to cut down on both sides of it. Yes, it's the raised fin. It went in, penetrated that, and that part healed around it. And this broadhead is in perfect shape. Still, you could break that apart.

But there's no way to get it out of the bone. It's healed in there. The arrow shaft is gone. He's gone. Brought it in there. Buck was exhibiting nothing. We watched that thing for weeks. Yeah. Never exhibited anything. And I remember- And it grew great. And he grew great. Somebody at the Expo that year came up to us. Remember, said, did you find a scar or anything in that buck? And we're like, no. Didn't see a scar, but I got someone's broadhead. And they told us a story. The guys, the year before, had shot that thing right smack, smack in that shoulder, and obviously got away. He healed and he grew great. Grew 20-something inches, probably. Yeah, a lot of times, though, one side or the other would be messed up because of that. But anyway, like you said, Bronson, we've hunted the third, second, thirds, and fourths, you know, 60, 61, 70.

All the, you know, 35s, 18s, 68s, all the Gunness and stuff, 54, 55, all of that stuff, you know, 22s, 21s. Hey, I love 21s. I don't know why. Haven't been there for 10 years or so, though, have we? Might have to go back. It's just, I just love the country. So, anyway, you know. So many options over there. You look at that unit of Colorado, even just the western part where we, public land, you know, self-guided hunters tend to gravitate to. Man, the options are endless. So, I haven't applied ourselves. I mean, I don't know what I want. I've got some points to do damage. I'm in your same boat people out there. I just...

I'm like, if you call in, I'll consult you, and we could just, and then by the end of the phone call, I'll be like, that sucker, he should just do this like I tell him to. But then the same thing is, I can't even, I don't even know what I'm going to do. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. There's so many options. That's what we love about Colorado. Of course, the elk, we covered the elk and whatnot. We've covered the whole Colorado section of our publication already on a podcast. We just get so many questions about the deer. It's a deer factory, you know, and so. Pick something in your slot. Don't be too afraid of it. This is the new normal in Colorado. What I mean by that is, nothing is super top-heavy on big bucks. It's just not. It's not like it used to be. It's not drive around and drink Pepsi and shoot 180 bucks out of your pickup window like some places were, frankly, 10 to 12 years ago.

It's not like that. So, the expectations are different. Be willing to live with what happens and be willing to then just go back frequently. You know, you got a lot of different ways you can go back. We talked about earlier, you got archery hunts, you got muzzleloader hunts, two to three, four rifle hunts if they've got an early high country, and just go back often. You know, kind of like what we try to say in Wyoming, same thing. Go as often as you can or work it into your rotation. Let's give Devin a call. Do you think he's working? Do you think he's really plugging and playing over there and see what he's doing? Maybe he's talking to some hunters. I love checking on these guys. He will definitely screen his calls.

Hello. What are you doing? Just trying to get some doll sheet pictures. Oh, all right. Working on some hunts, or you mean submissions? Yeah. Got some hunts? Or hunt giveaways, yep. Working on some projects for guys. I mean, you got guys calling in wanting to have you doing a little research, figuring out some openings? Yep. So, Devin, what are you getting guys calling in for? I mean, you're kind of working with our outfitters and whatnot. Are you getting guys wanting to know if there's cancellations? Yeah, yeah. Everyone's thinking the same thing, that all the stuff's going on is going to change draw odds, but maybe we're all thinking the same thing. Yeah, because nobody's quitting, are we? Nobody's quitting. That's what we've noticed.

A lot of people are hoping people are quitting, but we joked about it. I don't know, we were at lunch or something today, and we joked that diehard, avid Western big game hunters, within reason, I'm not advocating anything as far as what your first priorities are, because we all know what those are. We've got families, we've got jobs and all that, but the last thing to go from the... Other than food is first, hunting is second.

That's right. Huh? Yeah. Isn't that what it feels like? Toilet paper's way down the list. What's that? Toilet paper's way down the list. Oh, yeah. Toilet paper's overrated, right? That's right. And the thing is, we're talking with hunters, right? So, they've all got lighters, they've got pyro putty in their pack. I mean, they've got... they're generally a prepared people, if we can call them that. They are. They're prepared. They can make something out of nothing, and if they had to, they'd just grab a gun, even in the hills east of LA. They'd take down a black tail and have a skin back and feed the neighborhood if they need to. That's probably right, too. But they'd want to be FDA approved by HEC. So, hey, Devin, tell me, you ever been out in the hills and maybe run out of TP when you had a client in your truck?

I mean, anything crazy going on in that little tundra you got there over the years? Well, yeah, you learned your lesson. There's wipes in a hard case in a custom seat cover case behind my seat. Come on. Why the custom seat cover? Just curious. Just dirt, blood, mud, you know, stuff like that. Does your drivers... When I ordered them, you can say, hey, I want a compartment here. In the pack pouch. How about like a 1984 or 7 or 6 Samurai or whatever? What is that thing you got? Oh, the Samurai? Yeah. Yeah, it's an 86. Do they make custom seat covers for that? It has seat covers. No way. So, anyway, so what led up to being so prepared with the wipes? Oh, people, my, my... Well, when you have, you know, 60% of your shirts are sleeveless, you know you're not prepared. All right. I heard that some of the thrift stores... No, that was a lie. I'm not gonna say that.

All right, all right. Well, it's... I'm having a rash on t-shirts, but they're not. So, everything business as usual, Devin, people are booking hunts and having you research hunts and whatnot? Yep. How about the photos? I just had one come through for Colorado Eastern Plains outfitters, so... Wow. Yep, busy, busy. Yeah, I do think that there's gonna be the natural... And, you know, some of the people are gonna pull back slightly, or we anticipate maybe some openings. This is obviously just so new right now. It's not like we're getting overrun with cancellations and openings yet. We do anticipate some of that to happen, and that is one of the other benefits of being an Epic Outdoors member, is we're here. We have a network of outfitters we've already known, trust, and used year after year after year.

When they call and tell us, hey, somebody's having a hard time coming up here this year, whether that's Canada, which we've got the whole set of issues there with the international border being closed there right now, but even on the western states with tags that have guaranteed tags, or people that maybe were penciled in with the points to draw a certain unit, or a group of people that they're going to back out now. I could see something like that happen in the coming weeks where an outfitter that we thought was completely full, even with draw tag clients with points to draw, could change, Devin, and you're staying on top of that, basically, with our outfitter. Yeah, and the outfitters we work with are really good at updating. You know, all of us, pretty much, you know, we get updates every day. Yeah. Some good elk hunts come through.

You got anything hot out there that's come through that you feel like, man, that's a good opportunity. Somebody should be jumping on that. Yeah, we got September, Rifle, Elk Hunts, and Utah, three of them, you know. Those have been booked up for years. How much do you remember what they come through at? I mean, some of those are pricey because they're awesome opportunities. Yeah, they were $15,000 per hunter. There's three of them. All right, well, we'll let you get back to work. Just wanted to make sure you were still here in the office. You didn't run from the virus that came in from Bronson going out to lunch. No, I didn't get out of the truck. I didn't get out of the truck, Devin. Don't let him fool you. He's the one that laced decon back into our office as we've been talking. I haven't been anywhere but my office and my home and quite so far.

Pretty much. That's right. I heard you're pretty prepared. You had to go home, you had to go check on the cash. You had to go back and grab the samurai, some cash, and some bullets. Is that what you... Well, we thought we were better off until we cleaned out our expired food from our fridge, and then we realized maybe we were in trouble. Really? That's kind of funny. So, you know, you were telling me a story, Bronson. Bachelors in the fridge. He throws away good cheese, because it was past the expiration date, and I said, was there mold on it? No. Dude, you don't throw away cheese. Just, huh? Well, grade it, grade it. It was from September from like the elk hunt, man. What? You'd visibly see mold if it was from September. That had to be a misprint. Well, it was in a shrink wrap, one of those Tillamook sticks, you know? Like, you probably would have been okay.

Oh, the ones with preservatives and MSGs and all that stuff in there with the little meat stick and a cheese next to it? You can't, that stuff can't go bad. Come on, Devin. Throwing away money. Money don't grow on trees, Devin. Well, yeah, when we throw the eggs out and throw them in the field and they're bouncing like... Yeah, tell us that story. So, Chris, I don't know if these were your eggs, Chris. Chris is listening over here, Devin, so... Oh. Yeah, we made sure we weren't throwing them on the yard, Chris. Don't worry. He's got a heck of an arm. I don't know. I got a real nicely manicured yard. Oh, let's say, gosh. So, what I want to know is, it's evening time around the bachelor pad, right? I don't know if this is before Chris's parents were moving down this way, But, how do you say, hey, go to the fridge and grab some eggs, let's chuck some eggs? How do you start that game?

Well, we just took the garbage out, and I told him, I said, dude, we're not gonna, we don't want to put these eggs in the, they'll get crushed and leak everywhere, you know? He's like, well, let's just go chuck them out in the field, you know? Let's go feed the rack ends. We go outside, and I throw one in it, splats, you know, way out there in the bushes, and every one of the, every one Wyatt threw bounced like four feet in the air. No, I don't know. It's possible. First, I'm like, eggs don't go bad. Eggs don't go bad, I don't think, because they're in the fridge, and Bronson, they're tight. I don't know about that. Oxygen cannot get in there. I'm not a doctor, but I'm not buying it. But say you got a hairline fracture in that egg, Carter. Oh, yeah. What's the number one disease that comes from raw eggs? It starts with an S, ends with an illa, ends with illa. Okay.

Okay. Salmonella? I've heard that's bad juju. I don't want it. It could probably kill the corona. So, you miss a hairline fracture, you let them go too long in your fridge, and they're probably about to hatch. I don't know. I don't know how old you guys were. Yeah, they were from November, you know. What? Eggs from November, and it's March? I said something like that. Well, when Wyatt does his regular egg routine and eats a pair of them How do you not turn over eggs for four months? Four months? Is this a dozen, or did you guys buy a 12? There was a couple. A gross. Isn't it gross, 144? A dozen dozen? Is it not a gross? Well, all right. We're just wondering how things... You and Wyatt are still planning on going to Alaska. You guys don't have the corona fear, do you? You're still going up there on your moose hunt?

Oh, yeah. Right on. I sure hope so, planning on it. Well, I'm sure by summer they're saying, the experts at least, that the heat will start to reduce the life longevity of this virus outside of, you know, cold and all that. We did have a guy ask me if I thought the deer would get the corona. You did not. Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah. He says, hey, do you think the deer will contract this coronavirus and they'll have issues? And I'm like, I don't know. We might need to make some ventilators for these deer, you know. We should get a vet in here on the podcast and answer that question. We know one. We should. We know one here in town. Call him. All right. Okay, guys. All right, Devin. Keep at it. I'm going to get back to it. All right. See ya. I was wondering, should we just call my wife and not even tell her she's on the podcast to just see if she's happy to be married to a hunter?

At this point, she's... I guess Chris can edit whatever she answers the phone as, because who knows where this is going. I don't know where we're going. This is your idea. I want to be on the record. This is your idea. Hello. Hey, babe. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good. Good. Hey, I was just wondering with all this Corona scare, if you're, if you're, all these memes about hunters and stuff, if you're truly happy, you're married to a hunter now. Like, don't you think it's kind of nice? Why are you calling me to ask you that? Well, I was just wondering if you think it's, if you think it's, if you think it's kind of nice that somebody can go out and kill stuff and bring it home, you know,

Well, I've always thought that. Before I even met you, I thought that. Did you? Yeah. Is that what sealed the deal? No. Wow. What sealed the deal? We're innocent bystanders, Chris and I, Jennifer, just want you to know that. Yeah, I got a feeling that you're podcasting this. I just want it on record that you're happy that I hunt. Yes. This is entrapment. He's entrapping you. Sufficiently to provide food for the family. Now, all the recreational hunting you do, you probably don't want to take that up in public. So... It's the most expensive, best protein for our family. Nothing but the best for our family. I could have lobster and shrimp and fine dining for the cost of hunting. But those might have coronavirus. You never know. Is that the one you're talking about, Jay? So, we're narrowing it down now to just the last few weeks and whatever the future of

corona brings. Well, it just was on my mind. You're trying to put our whole life into those few weeks. I think we're good. We'll see you later, babe. Goodbye. Whoa! Chris, that was abrupt. I don't know, Carter, you better not stop. I didn't like the way it was going. It was very, very abrupt. All right. Well, this was the That meme I think you're referring to, Jason, and many of you have seen this. It says, women are now looking at their boyfriends or men and wondering if that fool can hunt, make a fire, fight, etc. And now you're just second guessing them skinny jeans. Well, Annette, I don't know what women think. I mean, it's got to cross their mind. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. You know. You want a provider. We all think about it. Think about it. Crazy times ahead of us. In the animal world, okay, in situations

Where animals create mates. You know, they're not... No, what I mean by that is they have pairs. Yeah, deer is not this. They don't stick around and raise their fawns. But we talk about wolves, or we talk about, you know, in some cases lions or different things, like pride's a lion. What is their job? They're the provider. And what are the females selecting for naturally? The provider, the strongest, the fittest, the one that brings meat, blah, blah, blah. That's right. That's animalistic. He owns a place. He owns a place. Yeah, that can protect, defend, and provide. That's right. Right. Yeah, that's right. That's coming out right now. I think it would be, wouldn't you? Yeah. It's natural. Well, we're all cavemen. I mean, at some point, you got to be able to kill and make a fire and eat and survive in the cave, get out of the elements, provide a shelter.

If you were a little lady, you'd want somebody that could do that, wouldn't you? Huh? Chris? No? What do you think? Chris has been really quiet right now. I picked one that could hunt for me. Oh, yeah. She's a keeper. Yes. In fact, Chris, I don't know, we should go down these roads. Let's go down this road. I shouldn't have said anything. Whose gun did you use? I used my girlfriend's gun to kill my elk. This was in New Mexico. Yeah. A year or two ago. I don't remember which year it was. And she had, did she have it set up, right? She knew ballistics dropped, she's turrets. She's telling you over the head, hey, two minutes, 2.4, whatever. Yeah, it was all set up. And then, what happened is I got out there with my gun.

I got a new rangefinder, right? Yeah, one of those cardinal sins. Yeah. First time, I actually had her pick up the rangefinder as she was coming out to the hunt. Okay. So, brand new rangefinder. What could go wrong with that? Yeah. Well... I don't know, Bronson, you had one of those. It was brand new. Brand new. And I got a brand new one. Brand new SIG. Which, they're pretty dang good rangefinders. That one wasn't. That caused some anxiety. Anyway, so... All right, go ahead. So, we get out there doing the couple days before the... The hunt was to start, and I hit my range and shot, and my gun was not even close. And we spent a bunch of time messing with it, and I just, at a certain point, we were like, let's just focus on scouting instead of trying to figure a gun out. And so, I ended up using her gun. Wow. Well, she's awesome. That doesn't happen every day.

I'm awesome. Hey, hey, well, I don't, well, alright. I'm not gonna go down that road, but let's go down this road. Let's give a pair of Diamondbacks away. Vortex. It's a good road to go down. Huh? Kind of the similar road that I was headed down. The last podcast we did, we gave away, well, Stealth Cam. We're just in the giving mood. I don't know. Maybe it's just, I don't know. It caused a little excitement, a little frenzy. There's gonna be more of this. We get a lot of texts and emails right now. People are kind of cooped up, and they're begging for like, We do like seven podcasts a week, and we're sorry, we just can't do that. So, if you're not scared of us giving you the corona and sending this to you in the mail... It's in a sealed shrink wrap. It is. Just wear rubber gloves when you take off the wrap. You never know. What do we got? What magnification?

We've got a pair of diamondbacks, the 10x42 binos, the HDs. And we appreciate Vortex. They dropped them off here at the office and said, Hey, throw these out on the podcast. So, there you go. Vortex, we appreciate you. They support us here at Epic. We support them as well. They make some fine products. A lot more of this coming at you. Just a little hint, hint. Yeah. What are we going to do, Chris? All right, we're going to do the same thing that we did last week on the trail camera. What you got to do is if you're listening to this podcast right now on your phone, take a screenshot and post that to either your story or a regular post in Instagram or Facebook, and tag us at Epic underscore hunts. And if you don't know how to screenshot or do any of that, you can also just take a photo, take a selfie of yourself listening to the podcast, or take a picture of the screen of the podcast.

Or if you're listening in your truck, take a picture of the truck screen, whatever. Post that, and you will be entered to win. And we're going to give them, let's give them a few days here. What day do you want to do that? Let's do that on a... So, the deadline will be 11.59pm on April 3rd. It's on the books. I wonder if we should just, should we try our little, our Vortex friend and just see if they have anything coming out this year? Throw him out, huh? A little shout out to Vortex. Let's give him a holler, see what he's doing today. Who knows where this is going to go. You better say we're live. Go ahead, I'll let you start this off. No, just send it, come in from your phone. He's not going to know. Alright, match, voice doesn't match. This is Paul. Paul, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Epic Outdoors Podcast. How you doing?

Good, how are you guys doing? Good, man, good. Just trying to avoid getting the corona here, quarantined in the Epic office. How are you? I'm doing the same. You honkered? Getting some work done still, Paul? You're a busy guy all over. Well, yeah, we're getting a little bit done. Well, as much as you can with what things are placed upon us all. But we just, we announced we're going to give away a pair of Diamondback 10x42s that you were It's been helpful in helping us get. We just announced that. We're going to announce it on this podcast. But just very good to give you a quick call. Cold turkey, of course. You haven't even scripted any of this. But anything on the front, vortex-wise, that's kind of the buzz you want to give some listeners interest in? Should they want to talk about products or bino, scopes, whatever that's kind of new and hot right now? New stuff coming out? Anything?

You know, well, we just released that new 3-15 Lighthunter Tactical. That's a sweet scope. It'll be a big deal for guys out west that want to stretch their effective range out there. What part of it is new and exciting about it? Like, give us just a quick rundown. Yeah, so, 30mm tube, great glass in it. It's got a locking elevation turret on it. You can set a zero stop. It's got a side illumination button on it. Oh. Yeah, just a... So, the zero stop's nice because you know where you come back, where zero is, where back in the day, you just keep on twisting. You could be a revolution off, and you're way off. Yeah, so you don't have to worry about that anymore. And then, where that elevation turret. It locks. You don't have to worry about it, you know, getting bumped in your backpack. Oh, nice. That locking feature. And you said the magnification was 3 to 16. What was the objective on that?

So, it's a 3 to 15 by 42, or you can also get it in a 3 to 15 by 50. A little more light gathering. A really lightweight scope. Just comes in a little over 19 ounces. Dude, that's really light. It is. I thought 22 was light. Yeah, no, it's super lightweight. That would probably work for a muzzleloader scope too, huh? You bet. Yeah, because muzzleloaders are already 14 pounds heavy, you know? You need to shave all you can get. I know, they're so heavy. Well, that's awesome. What about anything else, Paul? I think you did tip Jason and I off about that one. Those are available and ready now then? No scopes? Yeah, they're starting to show up out in stores all over the place. Good.

Well, we did get our hands on some of the 18x56 UHD. Pretty impressive. Very impressive. Yeah, I'm glad you guys like them there. Yeah. The 18 power gives you a little edge on some of the standard 15s that some competing brands are out there with. And so, the glass is sharp. Pretty impressive. It is. It is. Very impressed by that. That's a newer product, right, Paul? Those have been fairly popular since their... Yeah, we watched those right before hunting season last year, and they started to hit the market. Yeah, guys love them. A good buddy of ours was hunting javelina in Arizona, and him and his brother were sharing a pair. Anyway, I said, why don't you come on down and grab one of these pairs that, of course, we got from you guys. Anyway, he said, by far, he said, against any other 15 we have, he said, we chose these. So, pretty impressive. Nice.

Well, we just wanted to drop in unannounced. Glad you even took our call and weren't screening it too much. I'm glad we caught you in the office. Never know what you might be doing on a Friday, you know. Like trying to have family time, who knows. Should be looking for some sheds and social distancing. That's right. Down here, they're getting covered up with snow, so I don't know where you're at in the world today, but we're trying to just watch it snowing. Don't go to Nevada until May 1st, they'll put you in jail. At least in the good counties. All right. Kay, we appreciate you. Thanks, Paul. Kay. You bet. You bet. You guys have a good one. Have a good weekend. You bet. You too. I guess. Hope he stays corona-free. He's a good dude. Yeah. All right. What else? Well, I think we've bounced around a few places.

We cranked out a podcast. I don't know. Do we need to wrap this thing up a little bit? We're over an hour now. Are we really? They say, you know, when we first came out with these podcasts, people said, you know what, you shouldn't be going over 20 minutes. That's people's attention span. And then we get guys that say, dude, you can't give us enough. By the way, just want to throw a little shout out. There's a cop in LA that hit us and said, man, you know, the roads are empty. I listen to all kinds of podcasts. You guys can't do enough of them. And anyway, I just want to throw a little shout out. He'll probably listen to this podcast and give him a smile. But anyway, shout out to you guys that are faithful listeners out there. We love our officers, man. You guys are awesome out there in the line of duty.

Give us some confidence. We're all here to, you know, get along, stay along, stay, get along and stay along, I guess. And I challenge you guys to let the next person go, right? Don't harass him too hard. I got a couple of my buddies that are cops here in Cedar, and I'll go into the Maverick course. We'd all die if Maverick didn't serve sandwiches, right? And so, I'm like, you know, just quit harassing people. You know, let the next person go. I don't know. They get my wife every time. So, give her a ticket. Well, stay safe. Have a great weekend and week as we close out March here. It's hard to believe. Almost April 1st. Hopefully, this stuff passes sooner than later. Be safe. We're here. We're doing business, like we said. We send an email out to all of our membership. We're here. We're here to consult. We're here to help you plan. We're applying, applying, and applying. Stay corona-free!