EP 188: New Year, New Plans! Being Optimistic in 2021

I got deer in low places. It's getting tough to find hunts that are open for 2021. I don't know if I've ever heard as many outfitters say I'm down to my last spot this early in the year. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Happy New Year, everybody. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast here in 2021. The first podcast we got cranking since, I guess, a couple days before Christmas. We've heard about it, too, from y'all. Yeah, we have families and holidays. And a few friends in low places that have definitely said they're looking forward to an Epic podcast. So here we go. Bronson, I didn't realize it felt like it was five days ago we cranked out a podcast regarding those trail cameras. Two weeks, apparently. Two weeks in county. Lots happened. Lots happened in everybody's lives. Chris, anything big happened in your life in the last 14 days over Christmas? Nope. Ask me in a couple days. Just kidding. Whoa. There's an announcement. Is that on a hot mic? That's an announcement. That just kidding was pretty fast. I'm joking.

Not a couple days. He's pushing buttons already. We're just so used to asking him and then going right on to the next subject because we know the answer. But that one caught me off guard. What if we co-called Mackenzie? What would she say? I don't know. He's getting nervous. You don't make Chris very nervous, but I think he's nervous. Should we co-call him? No. No? No, no, no, no, no.

All right. Well, let's not do it. That does sound like a very bad idea. But anyway, before we get cranking, we want to thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast. Thank you, Under Armour. We appreciate all your support here at Epic Outdoors. They're cranking forward. A lot of things going in 2021 for Under Armour. Of course, we're looking at booking hunts for some of them and their people. And speaking of that, hunts are freaking flying off the shelf for like 14 years down the road. Pretty crazy. It's been a busy couple of weeks. Well, yeah. Tell us some more, Archibald, what your thoughts are. The calls are kind of slowing down for the people that are thinking, hey, any good gills because of COVID? People are rising. We've said no for nine, ten months now. Since last May? Yeah. Yeah. It's just a supply and demand thing.

I mean, you cut out Canada, all the other stuff, and all over the world, and everybody's here in the United States. Not only that, it feels like, let's call it Trump money, whatever, stimulus package money. It feels like people have been issued tens of thousands of dollars in checks. It feels like that. Did you get that much? Well, no. How many kids do we not know about? 14 kids, and two of them are out on their own, so I only got a check for 10 kids. Most of which social security numbers I don't even know. All this COVID stuff, everyone's looking for an excuse to get out of the house, I think. It's getting tough. It's getting tough to find hunts that are open for 2021. That's the honest truth. All your other sources of extracurricular activities may be canceled. You may only have hunting. For example.

For example, people that were going on vacations with their families to Hawaii, to wherever, they're probably canceled, and so they've transitioned that money to let's go hunting. Well, it's transferred over to the four-wheeler, ATV, side-by-side industry. You can't find one. Can't even buy a new one. Trucks can't even buy new ones. Trucks, everything else. Assembly line has a lot to do with those problems. But anyway, speaking of trucks, congratulations on your truck, Archibald. Thank you. Yeah. Got a nice new 20. It was about a two-month search, wasn't it? Yeah, not bad. It's not bad. You beat Aaron by eight months. Yeah. I was going to give you some grief for supporting foreign nations. But honestly, our American-made products sometimes are not so American-made. Right? They're using lots of parts and pieces from crazy places. You got a good-looking Tundra. Who knows? Who knows?

Now I've had a T100, the first-gen Tundra, and now the, would it be the second-gen? Or is there a third-gen? I skipped a second-gen somewhere. Well, your other one would be second-gen, the one that's in the house. That's a first-gen. The T100 would be the first-gen, right? Well... That one died years ago. Long time ago. Yeah. Safe to say you're a toy man. Yeah, I guess. But I'm surprised we don't have the T100 in the parking lot here with your name on it. The 1996.

Let's face it. The other Tundra is basically on its deathbed, and you're not getting rid of it. It's parked in the driveway. Well, in the backyard. Hey! I just had an idea. Huh. Could that be the truck that we were talking about buying a truck to push snow around here? Could that do the job? Well, we need it to start on a regular basis. Okay. I'm just saying we're looking for just some alarming noises. We finally found a company that will do that for us, and they accepted. I mean, just think... Dude, I don't know. You can't even find people to do... In the service industry, you can't even find people to push the snow in your parking lot. They probably looked at the farmer's almanac and seen it's not supposed to snow for another four and a half months. So, they know. Yeah. I'll take your retainer. 200 bucks a month. We're on call. Bill. It's pretty good money.

I don't know what we paid, but it was worth it. Don't you agree? Absolutely. For all the snow we haven't had. We had no snow to push, and they know that it's not going to snow until summer. Well, we had two inches, and being new property owners, you don't even think about snow removal. And, you know, imagine if we had a... You were out there with us. Jason had his boy out there in a four-wheeler in about a three-acre parking lot. Yeah. Anyway, but our parking lot got cleared off, but it made me nervous. What if we got 12 inches? Just saying. It's been dry, but just saying. What if we got 12 inches? Well, we're taking care of it. I just thought maybe Archibald, maybe that was a truck we could use. It's a good idea. It's a good idea. Just leave... Maybe it's one of those you could leave it... Even though it's a gasser, we could leave it plugged in, leave the block warming at all

times out here. I don't know. That works. And it runs on propane, too. So, I mean, if the end of the world comes, which just might happen... Natural gas. At least we've got LP. Is it natural gas? Yeah. You always say propane like it's... Is there a difference? No. Yes, there is. Okay. Propane. Okay. How am I going to fill my... Where do you go to get propane that would fill a whole truck bed? Well, dude, there's a lot bigger tanks than what's in the back of your truck. It looks like an atomic bomb. You go to... Yeah. And what I've always thought is you're driving that, and if you're getting erect, that atomic bomb is three feet behind you and is going to come through you and trap no metal and trigger an explosion. That has crossed my mind. Do we need to apologize to all the natural gas users out there? Hey. Or are we apologizing to the propane users?

Because I don't know who would be offended. I've known several people who had propane vehicles, so... I knew a kid once, too. John, or his car's lighter. Natural gas. Yeah, natural gas. But my grandpa did his own conversion on a vehicle back in the 80s, and I remember, and he did it in his garage, and it was propane. Huge tank. And did it run forever? Oh, yeah. It did? Well, he's a dude from the Great Depression. He would turn old refrigerators into air compressors and use them in his shop. Just amazing. Yeah. Well, we might have to go back to those days. Can we... I mean, how do we get those hand-me-down ideas and processes? Has he got any of that stuff he's put on YouTube?

That was back before the days of YouTube. Chris, just go film him. I know, but just go film him and say, hey, show me... He's passed on. Oh, sorry. I was trying to be... I was trying to be respectful. I was trying to be respectful of their ancestors. But I didn't know. I'm just saying. And Bronson's wondering where he can watch some YouTube family videos. No, I just wanted... That stuff, Jason, case in point, last night, what did you have to do? Remind me. That was last night. You want to do YouTube? Okay. All right. So I didn't know we were going to bring up Bob the Plumber today. But since we are... Okay. I'll admit it. I've never replaced one of those plumbing cartridges. I've always had my brother-in-law, Jeff. Well, Jeff now moved out of town and I had to go to YouTube. And you can do anything with YouTube. Yeah. You can do anything. So anyway, one of those plumbing cartridges...

In your wall faucet, right? The wall faucet. Have you ever done one of those faucet cartridges? I did one a couple months ago. But instead of YouTube, I called Jeff. Okay. Well, Janice says we could call Jeff. And I'm like, okay, it's kind of hard to follow directions. A, I'm not a good follower. B, talking to Jeff when he's got 14 phones in his ear, one in his back pocket, and he's on the back 40. I don't know. You know what I mean? He's going to tell you the Culligan instead of the... Right. And pretty soon you got a water main blowing in your face. He would be proud of me, though. I mean, it turns off and on. There was a few... Hot and cold in the right direction? Okay, I had to do some adjusting there. But anyway. So it works. And I just thought, you know what? There's millions to be made. Again, okay, we're going to come up with some ideas, but we could revamp the plumbing industry.

Those gadgets, those cartridges, they need to be adjusted. They need to be changed. They need to be redesigned. Redesigned. Another system. Dude. There's too many little parts and intricacies about them. Yeah. Right? I mean, every time I go and put in big salt rock for my water softener, I'm just thinking, because they're not an easier way. For heck's sakes. Wow. But anyway, hey, we can only take on so much here at Epic Outdoors. We can't revamp the plumbing industry. Can't save the world's problems. Or propane problems or whatever. So anyway, but a good idea. How much do you want for that truck?

He's nervous to sell it, because if it doesn't start, he works with us, and he's going to hear his beep and complain. It's the best truck he's ever owned. Well, it is. It's the best truck I've ever owned. Well, the problem, what he's really scared about is we're going to make him go plow the front. Hey, since it knows you, since it snows you, and you talk to her, you get her to push the snow. I would do that just to reunite every once every couple years in the winter. You've given him hope. I can see it in his eyes. It might work. Miranda is probably saying, hey, get rid of it. And he's going, this is an easy sell, and I can still own it.

But we're talking about his truck. When you guys all have trail cam trucks in the driveway, too. So, several. Mine's got uses. They've got uses. How about this, Johnson? In the wintertime? I just. Kind of off-season. My truck. You got rid of a vehicle. I did, yeah. Shocking. Looking for another one. Yeah. And did you feel good about selling a broken-framed truck? Yeah. With a seized air conditioning. The guy took it and had it all checked out. Everything was good. And he knew everything. It all came out. All disclosed. Full disclosure. Right there. Full disclosure. It was all disclosed. He had a couple days, looked at it, had the welder look at it again. It's all. See, at least you knew what to disclose. My truck, no one knows truly what that noise is, so I don't know what to disclose. You mean the clunk and the heat? There's more of a grind, tinging sound.

I think it melted the heat shield under there next to the tranny. No. That wouldn't be a bad thing. No. I don't know. I might just keep it. That much heat would be a bad thing. What is wrong with it? No one knows. And so why is there a problem? For this parking lot, even if it broke down, it's 100 yards out to the street. That's a good point. That's a good point. I'm just saying. And what did you – you know what? It is a good idea, and I'm not going to discount that. When we get off, let's talk about problems. But I'm just wondering, Archibald, why – if there is no problem, then what's the problem? There isn't one. Well, then why are we – why did you get a new one, and why were you worried about going across town? Well, because I need something bigger to pull my side-by-side. Would you ever send Miranda down to St. George in it? Now, why? Why not? I probably would.

But what would be in the back of your mind? Tell me, what are the problems with this truck? What noise is it? If I go to – if I hit it in reverse and I'm sitting there idling, you can hear it like something's crawling around in the exhaust. Or something right below you. It's a weird noise. It's probably just a baffle in the exhaust that's – So that's part of me. That's like, why would I sell it if I – you know, I'm not going to sell it to somebody I know. It's just going to – well, my luck, it would break. Okay, now the original problem you have, you're pulling it side-by-side up. What happens? It gets really hot. And how do you know? Because it was shifting a little weird. Okay, those are the problems I'm trying to get to. But it's just because it got hot. What do you mean shifting weird? You drain the fluid, fill the fluid. It's got viscosity. It runs like a channel now.

Okay, with new fluid. I get that. But there's a noise. Transmission fluid. Yeah, it was shifting weird, eh? And the fluid was black? No, they said it was fine. It wasn't even burnt. It was shifting weird, but then it wouldn't start. Then you go out to the driveway and there's oil everywhere. Yeah. I mean, you've got to disclose some things. I don't understand. It was the transmission fluid. All over the driveway. All over the driveway. Wouldn't start. Wouldn't start. Drag it to the shop. They start it. They start it. It runs just fine. Why is the truck here? I'm like, well, it wouldn't start. We just started it and drove it around. It's fine. But we think there's a transmission problem. You take it to another guy. He says it's an engine problem. It's not the transmission. It's making a noise under the oil pan or whatever. I'm thinking it's just a baffle in the exhaust.

I'm thinking it's a great snowplow truck. Any mechanics out there, call in to Devon and let us know what you're thinking. No, it's in my yard because if I could find one the same year, I'd swap over some things. Did you guys miss this 2000 Tundra over here? I stopped it. Yeah, we saw it. It's hammered. Oh, the silver one? It had dried blood in the bed of it. Don't ever buy from a hunter? That's telling me a lot of things. John bought from me. I just bought a new engine. It has the same amount. That truck has the same amount of miles as mine did when I bought Jason's. And I put another 120,000 miles on it. And slept 1,500 nights in it. Yeah. Pretty much. Well, speaking of new stuff, happy new year to everybody. And we're all batting 1,000 right now. That's the fun thing about January. You flip the page. For a lot of reasons, we won't forget 2020.

And we're not even talking about 2020 anymore. Nobody even cares about 2020. You know what's funny? We haven't even talked. There's a lot of politics, and we see them, right? But honestly, people that call in, are they happy or sad? They're happy, and they're planning hunts nonstop. Crazy. They're planning January's off the charts, whether they're booking or ready-to-use points, full of optimism. And that's what we want to try to portray to you all today. That's what I like about Republicans. They're resilient. They're happy. We're going places. We're not going to let people slow us down, are we? You know where your food comes from. We do. Yeah. Okay. I'm from a lead poisoning. Okay. Okay. From a January standpoint, I don't know if I've ever heard as many outfitters say, I'm down to my last few spots, or I'm down to my last spot this early in the year. Crazy. It's not. And it's so –

I guess what we're also trying to impress is if you are wanting to get something on your schedule, call us. And that's not a sales pitch. It's just a fact. But because of that, you're going to probably have to be a little more aggressive in the draws this year to get some tags because there's not going to be the demand for landowner tags and last-minute openings is just scarfing stuff up. Now, even if Canada, the Canadian border gets moving, okay, that's going to lighten it to some extent, but there's a backlog already. So it's not going to just free up everything, you know, in the lower 48. There's still going to be a lot of pressure. A lot of people got moved to 2022. Yeah. From 2020. They leapfropped the whole year. Yeah. There's a lot of value in, you know, doing your research and homework, everything like that, too.

Just had a couple buddies here in town book a hunt south of the border that went south. Wow. Okay. The pun was intended. Yeah, yeah. Showed up at the airport. Outfitter texted them, hey, I can't make this work. No, they had texted them like at 2 in the morning, Wyatt, saying the hunt's a no-go. Yeah. Hunt's a no-go. Can't make it work. That's not good. Like two hours before they were getting on the plane, right? Yeah, the morning of they were getting on the plane. Yeah. Didn't realize he had the text until he got to the airport, saw it, had to cancel his flights. No explanation. Still unsure what's going on, whether, you know, the hunt's going to get rebooked, whether there's going to be refunds issued, what. So, you know, there's definitely value in using somebody that's worked with outfitters before. That's reputable. And we didn't book those hunts. Those were just people we know.

Definitely. Definitely, yeah. There's, if a deal, there's quote deals out there. We get, we know of some train wrecks that we can help you avoid certain people if you want to call and run something by us. But there's some if we haven't heard of. But if it sounds really too good and it's south of any border. Come on. It could be. Well, no, it couldn't be. If it's south. Well, we've heard things about everywhere. Everywhere. That was a little bit. What comes to mind, Archibald? You're thinking of something. Oh, there's some Canada stuff you hear about. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. North of a border then. That's at north or south. And west because that's the west coast. And east because that's where the liberals live. At least a lot of them.

So, I don't trust them. Just do your homework. Point like Wyatt said. Do your homework. Spend a little time. Call references to the hunters. Don't buy an auction online. There's going to be a lot of those this year. Don't buy something on an online hunting auction that just looks cheap. And, man, that's cheap. I'm going to buy it. And then don't know nothing about it or who it's with and figure that, hey, it's such a good deal. I'll figure that out later. Sometimes there's a reason some people, and this is not a blanket statement, but there's a reason some people call some of these auctions to put their hunts on there. It's because they can't sell them. I think what you're saying, too, is that on years like this, everything books. Good, bad, and indifferent. Everything's going to book. The bottom of the barrel books. That's where I'm going. The bad guys make out, too.

The great ones are going to book easily, too. The moderate's going to book. The crap is going to book. We booked the last deer hunt for one of the great deer hunts up there in Canada because he had to roll over hunters from last year. And a guy wanted to go, and he says, I got his last spot. That was today. Crazy. I've heard that a couple times. January. January, wasn't it? Yeah, 2022. Yeah. Last spot in 2022. Yeah. I'm also getting a lot of guys asking and talking about using, they have, instead of, like, Wyoming elk. Instead of, you know what? I have max, but I'm ready to go. Yeah. A lot of that. And that's kind of what I was saying earlier. It is. You might have to think a little bit different with some of your points now. If you're. Your points really are valuable. Let's use them. Well, they are. But. And go less than traditionally. Yeah. Pick a different weapon.

Pick a different season. Instead of rifle rut hunts, maybe it's an October, November rifle hunt. Or, you know, maybe in a different unit that you thought, I don't think that would maybe quite give me the kind of bull to make my hopes and dreams come true. But, man, I love elk hunting, and 320 or 330 bulls are awesome to me, and I'd like that. So, anyway. Be willing to do that, because this year, more than any other, after the draws, if you've been too conservative, finding something later this summer, July or August, is probably going to be extremely tough. I think drawing lots are going to change. I think there's just so much demand. We saw it last year with COVID. But, you know, we thought, oh, everybody thought, ah, the drawing lots are going to be easy. They were not easy. Bleed officers. It's worse.

Even the general tags with Idaho selling out so early and all the good stuff gone there, I imagine, you know, Montana and Wyoming general tags might be a little bit tougher to get just because of that. People are acting like they're not going to be able to hunt again. Want to feed their families. It's crazy. Huh? Still a lot of value in applying, though, because that's the way you're going to get some of these awesome hunts even after they're all booked up. It's the only way. The way to get your tags. Well, there's a lot of excitement with date changes. We've got Colorado's dates coming up. And there's just a lot of excitement, you know, with those late season dates happening this year. Even though Colorado's somewhat in a slump, maybe the biggest slump we've seen in many years, there's some bright spots and people are excited.

Anyway, we cover all that in the Epic Outdoors magazine before it's time to apply. So there'll be a lot of information in there. Anyway, pretty fun stuff. We're super excited. You know, Wyatt, you were saying you were watching some... I feel like I'm getting called out. I don't know where this is going to go. You were watching some hunts. You were watching some hunts. Some old DVDs. And it got you excited. Some old DVDs. Yes. You watch it. Found some stuff in Jason's desk. Ended up being a bunch of old DVDs and stuff from old hunts from him, Adam, John. Chris was on there, run out of water a lot of times.

He packed some stuff out for people, too. I believe he was helping Jason kill big deer and Chris was out of water. Well, okay. Sitting on a hot hillside all day. I wonder what the long-term effects of dehydration are. I never drank Chris's water. No. Chris? You've probably shared some water with me. Okay. Yeah. But there was other members, maybe even blood relatives, that possibly drank your water. Yes. On more than one occasion. And all of your other supplies. And took clothing from you. And bread. And clothing.

Anyway. Those are some awesome experiences. Did you learn anything on those, Wyatt, about who your coworkers are that you're like, wow. It was pretty awesome because I've seen the mounts. I've heard a little bit of the stories, but it kind of felt like I was there on a lot of the hunts or at least. Wyatt's like, wow, you guys are a couple bad days. Yeah. I'm like, well, Wyatt, we have killed a couple animals. What was that? Early 2000s, probably? Yeah. It's like, you guys, you know, you're nothing what I've. Really? You guys used to really hunt?

Jeez. No, it must have been what? Early 2000s? Later 2000s? Yeah. Mid. Mid. Mid to late. A lot of mid 2000s. Yeah. 2000s. Those were the great years. It was 2007 to 2012. Yeah. Something along those lines, huh? Anyway. Anything stick out? Those are fun. There was a lot that stuck out. I mean, it's pretty cool to see a couple outfitters that we still work with today as a young kid out there starting his, I guess, starting his. Oh, Josh Horrocks out there. Two dog hunting. Two dog hunting. He even went through a name change. Yeah. And now he's. John, you built his logo for him. Yeah. And his website. We did, yes. We did. A couple hunts. One Jason had to film because Chris wasn't able to make. I mean. And the filming was amazing. What do you mean? We filmed the tire going around. We go through the water. We check the temperature. I mean, we did all the right things, right, Chris?

Did a lot of those things. Yeah. People are going to be asking to see these. Hell. Yeah. Maybe we'll figure that out someday. We got a lot of cool footage. Yeah. I had an awesome Dutton elk hunt back in the day where he camped out on the mountain, took a great bull. We did. That was fun. That was a big. There was like a three week period right there. Remember we went to Oregon, hunt my California bighorn, came straight home. I went straight to the Dutton, camped on a bull for like six or seven days basically. And opening day came. We decided to let him go hunt another day, decided we better kill him. So we killed him, got it packed out, went straight to the Escalante for your desert sheep hunt. It was a, think about that three weeks when we were, was that 2008 or nine, I think? Mm-hmm. So that was mid thirties, just full of piss and vinegar. I remember high. Escalante looked brutal.

I mean, just watching those 25 miles each way. It just is. It's just a brutal one. But it was a three week, I mean, it was like, we couldn't be stopped. Now I think of that stretch right now. And I'm like, wow, that was, that'd wear me out. Well, it does. You know what? We do that now, but we don't kill anything. Back then we were killers. It was boom, boom, boom in a row. And we killed. We killed, we killed, we killed. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe we were better. But it was fun. Maybe we're not as good as we once was. The one thing that it, that those remind me of too is, and we did a little bit with our hunt giveaway this year with Craig in Nevada. It was awesome to hunt as a crew. It was fun. Yeah. Because we, when we get in the middle of the fall, we're going, a few of us have a little, you know, some guiding things that we're doing, but, you know, hopefully plenty of personal hunts.

We're, we're pulled everywhere. A lot of directions. And it's, it's fun when we get all together. I mean, we talk like this, like campfire talk all day long on the radio or cell phone, like get over here. John's got something. He doesn't know how many points it's got, but he says it's wild. I mean. That was a good call. You know. Guys, I think I've got a shooter. He can't even describe the deer. What is it? It's a lot by a lot. I said at least 10 on each side. I don't know. I could hear the word drop tine in there every now and again. Like, what? But anyway, there was, and the, and you know, I happened to be with the hunter, I think that day. And I'm like, I don't know. I think we better, we better leave. John's, John can't, he's the loss for words. He can't describe this buck. It's time to go look at this buck. You know. Anyway. That was even on a tough year.

Last year was a tough year in Nevada. You know. Oh, there was some good animals taken, huh? Yeah. Geez. But we're hoping. There was another hunt from the archives too, that you were kind of the same situation where Adam spotted a buck and couldn't describe what all it had on. Oh, yeah. Lots of inlines. Oh, that was your Arizona buck. I just remember that thing. I'm walking through this flat. I'm half shed hunting because there's like no deer out there. You're, you're some few tracks and you're like, I'm just looking, I'm noticing there's little four foot cedar trees. Tracks. Destroyed. Destroyed. Destroyed. I mean, not just a little rake. I'm like, something is mad in here. Something's ripping. There's a big deer. Anyway. And then all of a sudden I jump a doe and he's running straight away from me for like 200 yards. And of course I just had binos.

So I've just, you know, watched him and I, and I got done and I'm like, we're done. We're done looking for a deer. I knew that. I didn't know all he had. I just had a lot of inlines going up and away and heavy mass like this. So anyway, that was, that was fun. Well, that kills him when we grabbed him and just, I mean, those were raw, raw moments. Yeah. There's nothing staged. And those are pretty fun. I even today, if I watch anything on YouTube or anything, I like the, I like the raw stuff. The, the true emotion, the first time. I mean, there's been times we've had to, you know, you miss something, you have to make it work. And it's not, man, those are all, that one where you, cause you waited. I was probably five or 600 yards from me. You guys are like 300 from the deer. And by the time I got, you guys waited and it was, then I got the camera rolling. It was raw.

I wouldn't really remember it like it, like it showed if we didn't film that. That's right. Because now when I watch the film, I'm like. It made me want to film. You're like, yeah. Yeah. So. It did. It made me want us to. You want to be a cameraman, you mean? No. Or you mean film more hunts than ones. Just us film each other, like go on these hunts together. And like, it just reminded me about, it reminds you about all the hunts you have been on and all the times. Speaking of then, what are we going to do this year? Either groups or individual. What, what are we looking forward to? Let's call it right now. It's January. January. Put a, put a star out there. What are you shooting for? What is not just a 200 inch or Carter? We know that's a broken record. I mean, I mean, get specific. I'd like to go back to killing stuff.

I'd like to get bloody Bronson. It takes a year off. And notch my own tag that has my name on it. Not my kids. Not my wife. I want my name on that tag. Okay. We know where you stand for the year. John, how about you? We got anything? John, I know probably your Utah elk points. Maybe that's something that's looming pretty big for you. I don't know. Yeah. Time to use them. Draw an elk tag. Maybe Utah, Mary, me, Arizona. Yeah, you've got a bunch down there too. Is he in Arizona too? Yeah. Got some points down there. Wow, you want a point boost?

I know a guy. I got two. You got two. I got a loyalty and a hunter head. I'm bringing a lot to the table, John. Please? Well, good stuff. So you're thinking about a deer, an elk? And going to Mexico. Oh, yeah. You're going to Mexico soon, right? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of south of the border. Will you give us a few replacement options in case you wreck a four-wheeler again? I'm just going to say it. Guess I run him into a ditch. Get all his passwords and usernames before he leaves to the computers around here. We know Chris could do the job. We're going to have to have somebody else, if not a couple of guys on this side. Any options? Come back, John. Just come back. Yeah, I'll come back. He might need to take out a life insurance policy on, he brought some. Yeah. I think he'll tone it down after last year he was full throttle on a 1988 three-wheeler or whatever you were on.

Just make sure you wear the three or four masks that they require on the airlines that you just saw. Oh, geez. Huh? Yeah. What did you see? It was nuts. So we did. I took my wife to Mexico just barely. Kind of scouted out, you know, across the border, see if it's okay. Oh, you mean Cancun? Yeah. Okay. All right. So it's not the same thing. But, oh, the plane was nuts. Just guys, I mean, you're like, okay, there's Biden voters right there. Three, four masks on top of each other. Hood up. Visor as well. And then some dude with the MAGA hat. Got the plastic shield. Yes. And then some guy with the MAGA hat like 20 rows ahead, you know, pulls it down over his nose and they had to come apart. It was just, stewardess! He doesn't have his mask on his nose! You know? And I'm like, you're so, why are you on a plane? Why are you even flying? You know, geez. Stay in the closet.

Then they give you a drink and everybody takes their mask off. Anyway. Has a drink and some crackers. And it wasn't every other row. It was packed. The plane was full. Wow. No six-foot distancing. No six-foot distances. But over the loudspeaker, they're like, make sure you six-foot distance on your way out. Like, we've just spent five hours next to each other. We're in a mosh pit in this thing. Oh, it's ridiculous. Jeez. There's a lot of COVID transpiring in there, it sounds like. Have fun down there, John. But I missed COVID. My daughter got it while we were gone. That was perfect. Up here in Utah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nuts. But it wasn't bad. Like, she just had a sore throat, a little congested, and it was done. That's what an 18-year-old does. Yeah. Chris? Yeah.

I thought we already. No, what are you looking forward to? I'm just talking hunting now, Chris. Don't get all sweaty palms. I thought we got through that already. No. It's just that we're trying to make the rounds of what you think you're looking forward to this year, making your hunting dreams great again with. I don't know. After this year, I'm pretty much looking forward to anything. You're like Jason. I just want to notch a tag. Yeah. That's where I'm at. I just want to shoot something. Any... I mean, of all years, not to talk about antelope, but anyway. Come on. Just the deer tags and the couple antelope. It was a... And, of course, you're hunting for a boomer. A double boomer. I passed it. I chose. I was hunting. Tons of bucks. But... Mid to high 90s on several... 90s? Yeah. Antelope? No. Oh. You lost me for a minute. Okay. I'm like, you passed what? Okay.

I'm not even talking antelope. Never probably will again in my entire life. Okay. I was on the same page as I was. Did you think mid to high 90s? Mid to high 190 mule deer. Supposedly 90-inch antelope are good.

Anyway. They supposedly are, but they're still... All right. Well, anyway. Forkies. But anyway. So... That might have to be what we do for a group hunt somewhere. I don't know if we've got enough collective points to boost the heck out of you that burnt stuff. Antelope. Why don't you antelope or something? If we're going to watch six or seven of us smash something together on film like your dreams... Interesting thing. I go down there and it happens to be the worst fire season in the world. All roads are closed. I mean, what do you do? You know? What do you do? And it's an antelope, so you're... Yeah, whatever. You're going to go home. I wasted... It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Three hours a day for four days too long. So, Chris, a mule deer, but something. You're going to punch your tag on something. You're not... Definitely. Well, all right.

We're here in Utah, New Mexico, wherever you can get a tag. Wherever I can get a tag. Arizona. You've had them all. Yeah, a lot of them have gotten... I feel like they've just made little slight changes that have made it tougher to draw things that I've been able to draw, but we'll see. Wyatt. Yeah. What are we looking for, too? I know every year we talk about your deer points in Utah, so the whole world knows about that. I feel like this is your year, Wyatt. I do, too. I do, too. What I love about Wyatt is he's so excited for everybody else and all the tags they get. He knows all the intricate details behind the scenes, working systems, deals, whatever. I mean, not just us. I'm talking the world. The clients that he works with. But he himself never really divulges plans. I'd like to hear on air what you got going. All I have planned out so far is my spring bear hunt in Alaska. Oh, yeah.

So, got that, and then play the draws and see what happens. See what comes up. That's pretty cookie-cutter generic. What plays the draws? I get it. What kind of... I'm still not divulging anything. I don't make any plans until, you know, spur of the moment. Don't force. Oh, God. Don't force to make a plan. Dude, top of the pile. You know where you're going to lunch today, yesterday.

Well, we hope you get your deer tag so we can quit rousing you. Utah. Oh, Utah deer. Yeah. Might win some of those Hunt Expo tags, too. You never know. Speaking of. Ooh, wow. Who's playing that now that we don't have to go in person? Everybody. You might have heard that. My name's in the hat. Yeah. It's unfortunate. I'm ready. I'm in already. We're not going to see everybody at the shows this year. Sheep Show is next week. Western Hunting Conservation Expo should have been or will be virtually whatever in a month. It's going to be a bummer not to see and talk and shake hands and see y'all. Get COVID. Yeah, which we, I think, did last year. We did. But, yeah, they're still going to have the hunts, the 200 hunts. You can ply online at huntexpo.com. We're suckers for it. It's just a hope and a dream, right? We're full of optimism. You're all batting 1,000 right now.

And you have to be in the draw. You have to be in the draw to be able to draw. $5 for each hunt. You do not. They waived the mandatory requirement in the past to have to go validate in person so you don't have to drive to, fly to, crawl to, ride a horse to, Chris. Expo. Cartwheel to, whatever. Don't have to do that. You just apply online and you're done. You do have to have a Utah valid license the day you buy your tickets. Buy your license. Buy your tickets, which if you're going to apply for Utah, you're going to need it anyway. But do it. The deadline is what? February 13th, 14th, somewhere. It's always one of the best Valentine's gifts I ever give my wife is the Expo. So it's I know it right around there. Thank you, Adam. Right? Thank you, Adam. I've got my tags. Yeah. You know, they never appreciate it like they really should. Jana's in. She doesn't even know it.

But hopefully she gets tagged. So anyway, awesome. Go to HuntExpo.com. Get in the draw. It's just another chance to draw what you need. We all need. Devin, what are you doing this fall? Well, I didn't hunt elk. Well, I didn't hunt elk in September in 2020. Not one day. I didn't hear a bugle. That was kind of weird for me. So, yeah, I want to hunt elk in September somewhere, somehow. Okay. Wow. Oh, good. Is that like. What does that mean? I don't know. Is that just willpower that? Or do you have some points do you think to make it happen somewhere? Arizona. Oh, good. What? Good, good. I don't have enough points. That's what I'd take that. Wyoming, perhaps, or something. But you're on an archery elk this year. That's your, I mean, you'll hunt a big deer. You hunt deer in Utah. You at least got a general tag, and maybe go Colorado. But you've got elk on the brain. All right. Sounds fun.

And then just deer, there's some deer in some places that I can think of that I'm coming back. I got deer in. Low places. Yeah. Anyway. Round two or three, I guess. Well, last year, yeah. High places, too. High places, low places. In between. In between. Tough to find. Well. All right. That is nice. I guess we're going to let him off the, and Bronson? He did say elk. He did say elk. What are you going to? Well, I'm going to move closer, but not all the way to what Jason tried to do last year with seven deer tags. What? I said closer to that with a, what I would call a pile would be three or four deer tags. Not a Jason Carter pile, but one of those would be Utah general. Probably go to Colorado somewhere. I burned points last year, but I think most of us are going to try to get a, you know, a turn back or a moderate replaced or whatever landowner tag to go there.

I'm pretty top heavy as Arizona, as we've read about for 15 years now. I'm never going to draw. So, you know, but hold you hostage. You might need an application service to help you. I don't have a problem getting my application. I have a problem drawing the tag. So I'm pretty sure I know that. Ryan and I might need to look at some odds. We can play the odds for you. After 20 plus years, I've got the process down, and I just don't know how to draw. There are tags you can draw. Send in your username and password. Give us your username and password, ID, date of birth, social. You better not make me use my point guard on whatever you've drawn. Let's just call it that. But I'm top heavy in Nevada with points. You know, you never really know there, but I'll probably go all archery, five archeries or something, if, you know, Nevada starts to look like it's going to get moisture.

Just to try to get a tag there, Utah moved their archery dates for deer a little later, like the 21st. So it gives you 10 or 11 days in Nevada before Utah's calling your name at all. So that's a perfect world. A couple deer, maybe Colorado and Arizona would be the icing on the cake. But, I mean, like all of you all, any extracurricular, unexpected tags, I'll take them. You know, I've got a couple kids that I've got to work some of their hunts in, like you, Carter, John, you two. But anyway, I'd rather – I've got deer in low places, too. I guess that's what's all about. You know what I find interesting is the older we're getting, and we're older now, okay? We're all a little older, Wyatt. You guys are fine. You guys are young. But Adam and I and John, we're a little older. But I find that, like, but what we used to not be able to do, A, we didn't have the points.

B, we didn't have the funds or whatever. You know, we now – I can't let those deer tags go. I always wanted them. Now I get them. Now I've got too much on my plate. I don't do the tags justice. It's a – it's a mindset. You've got to self-govern because January, you're all batting 1,000, but you're also like somebody at the buffet when you haven't eaten for two days. That's it. That's my point. It's just like you and I were up early cranking on the magazine and stuff, and we're looking at, like, obscure species that don't really mean anything to us per se. And we're ready to drop a couple grand to get a tag to make sure we go. You know, and because we have nothing scheduled, nothing on the books. We joke about having the kill. The kill is finding a tag, buying a cheap land or a tag. Or expensive. Or expensive. Just to have something on the books. Or burning your points on something.

Then you're like, should I really have done that? Yes. Like five minutes later. In a state that you can't withdraw the app. Happens. It happens. I get wound up, do something. Excitement can get you to do things, and you do have to self-govern. So we are all full of excitement. Loaded up right now. We're loaded with points. We're loaded with ability. It was borderline insane. Yeah. For a wide open schedule. And I'm not going to try to guide as much, and I didn't this year, but it still somehow was plenty. But those things come out. Those are all taxing as part of making a schedule flow. So you've got to remove a few things. Yeah. And Carter, you're saying the same thing. Maybe less is more, you know, a little bit to some extent. Oh, man. I mean, you can kill one or two giants, or you can eat seven tags. What's better? You know what I mean? And it's just hard. It's hard.

And I did a lot of them. I did feel like I did a lot of them justice. Last year, it was not in the cards on a lot of the hunts. The weather played a lot. The hot, dry fall. Especially two or three of your deer hunts were archery or things like that. That specific bucks picked out on some of them. It was good. Yeah. It was just tough. So anyway, but yeah, you know, what's interesting is you end a season and you feel like, I learned my lesson. I'm going to do better. And I got a new plan for 2021. If you could do the podcast, this podcast, December 1st, would be like, I need a break. I did. I did. I told Jenna, one to three times, I'm happy. Honey, I promise you, darling, it will not be like last year. I don't think I've ever hunted more than last year. First of January. Then the first of January. Get out of my way. Get out of my way. I've been writing the publication.

We've been working in the office. We're not, we have to work in the office, but we're not necessarily lovers of office work. But the work that we do in the office is what spurs on all of these excitable little things. Prairie dog hunts, not even in the rut. Not even in the rut. With a bow, a slingshot, whatever. Bare bow with no sights. I mean, pretty soon we're doing burbanked up slams that don't even exist. I hear that. The groundhog, the vermin groundhog slam. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It sounds interesting. Sign me up. I hear the Himalayan snow cogs coming on strong. And I've actually thought of that. I have. They're a wild looking bird. And every time you do a little bit of research on them, you're kind of like, I kind of need one. The minute you kill one. Force back into the rubies. No, the minute you kill one, you're going to be like, really? Wow. Pound for pound.

My wife is wrong. All those deer, pound for pound, did not even come close to this little bird right here. I heard you guys talking about turkeys the other day. Yeah. I mean, it's something to do, mainly for our kids. My boy drew a tag. We usually go to Arizona with our kids. The other thing about that is if you don't have a spring bear or something like Wyatt or anybody else to do, it's just, what, May or late April? Just give me some mountain to stretch a leg on, basically. You know? Get out. So turkeys, they're fun, but I enjoy taking the kids, too. Me, too. I love it. Kids, they're hard to beat because expectations are, although they're getting tougher, right? Yeah. I'm already told that. Well, dude. I've already been given. Some instructions.

What does he want? Just bigger deer. Yeah. Just like your kid. I mean, it's no different. Your kid's passing 350 bulls. He's passed. Okay. Okay. 330 to 350 bulls. And I'm like, Sean, you've never killed one with a bow. Yeah. That's my point. You're 18. Like, let's smash one. You know? It's the last morning. I need to send you back in for that bull. Dad, I had him at 70 yards. I could have got closer. I don't want that one. Okay. Okay. Hey, got to hand it to him. There was a proud moment there. But, but, but, but, but. Anyway. So I guess that brings us to Jason's. No, we already talked about mine. Did you already go over it? Yeah. Kind of. He wants to punch a tag. Oh, yeah. I guess, yeah. Punch a tag. That's as clear as Wyatt said. That's as vague as you can get. That is a good point, Wyatt. And I didn't disclose anything. He would like to kill somebody this fall.

I will be in Colorado with my 10 kids. Okay? Utah. You need to. I will be. That's going to happen. I will be in Utah. I will be in Nevada one way or another. Got to do it. Okay?

Barring if we don't get another drop of moisture between now and June, I will not be in Nevada. Yeah. That's right. I mean, it's very prone to that. By the way, it is dry this winter, and we are going to divert for a second. But you know what? Like we've talked about, it's the timely moisture. Water table may still be low, but for the antler growth. We're not going to fill reservoirs unless you get a monumental shift. Yeah. But as far as artificially growing feed to just get deer and elk going and antler growing, that's totally in the realm of absolute possibilities. It's not doom and gloom as dry as it has been. And you can artificially have a good hunting antler year with just timed precip. That's right. Real timed precip. It's way too early to tell. Yeah. It is way too early. And we've talked about it. You very rarely see two bad back-to-back years. Yeah. At least in the 48 states.

Mexico, I've seen some rough times multiple years in a row. And then this year is off the charts for Mexico. Go figure that. I've got a good rancher friend of mine. He's down there. He was texting me this morning. The last time he had rain was January of 2020. January of 2020, he has big deer. So you just don't know what goes into making Mexico deer big other than in some parts of it. Down there, they had eight inches. And obviously, it was the right time frame. And I think that's what we're talking about here. March, April, May is kind of critical, really critical. And it could be dry from now until then. And I think you could still have good antlers. Salvaged antlers. That's really what we're talking about. And I know there's other things that matter in life. You know? Like what? Well, to other people. Oh.

I mean, other people want to grow cow feed and have a lot of water to be able to irrigate their alfalfa and all that. I see. I mean, and I'm not downplaying it. I'm just saying we may not. It may not do that type of thing. We may not have bursting reservoirs. It doesn't look like. But we can artificially make a green landscape to grow. I got a good buddy of mine hitting me up. Hold on. Let's just see what he has to say real quick. Hello. Lunch? Lunch? Where? Wherever. All right. You don't want to go to where the Democrats eat, do you? I don't even know where the Democrats eat.

Kip, I just want to know right now how many pistols you have. I'm not telling. This call is being recorded. How many long rifles and how many short rifles do you have? I know I have 29 pistols. I don't know how many. I don't know how many the other I have. Use your rights, the Fifth Amendment rights, and use the right to remain silent. Yeah. Complete the fifth. What do you think about all this craziness out there in the world? I think it's all, man. Well, you caught us in the middle of a podcast, and so, yeah, we're going to get Kip's input on just life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I think that they rioted all summer long and nobody cared. Now they care, huh? I guess. It appears that way. It's kind of crazy. But anyway, guns and ammo, you're good. What else does a guy need to buy this time in history? You can trade ammo for anything, can't you? Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

Even fertilizer for your alfalfa field. That's exactly right. I take ammo.

Ammo's pretty valuable these days, huh? How much ammo do you got, Jason? These are questions that people want to know. Just say sufficient first needs. Go ahead. How many do you got? I'm pleading the fifth there, buddy. Huh? I'm pleading the fifth. He's got a lot. I learned my lesson. We learned four and eight years ago to take care of those problems. Yeah. All right. Anything else you want to tell the world out there, the world of hunters, Kip? No, I don't. I guess we're not going to lunch. We're about done. We'll give you a holler in a bit. All right. See you. Bye. That's some pretty funny stuff. He does. He's got a stack of stuff. Anyway. Well, all right. What else? Should we call? Yeah. Well, we're on the phone. We might as well call Witwer and tell him his Coke's here. Or his monster. Monster. Huh? See what he's got going. We were talking about the expo earlier and who's drawn.

And Jason, your boys drew an antelope tag. My brother's drawn an elk tag. On these $5 tags you were talking about. Their odds are not going to be great. And they're probably not going to get better. Who knows? I guess if you. I don't know how many people go to the expo. I mean, I'm sure that number's readily available. But that many people now not interested in going. Are they going to tune out and not apply? I mean, sure. Remember, you can apply. No question. The fact that you don't have to be in person. It will go up. But that's really not the principle. It's about believing in something. It's about batting 1,000 until you're not. Okay. Right? I like it. I like it. Bat 1,000 until you're not. I like it. What I really like is the fact that I know people. We know people that have drawn these tags. Go ahead. Yeah. This is my principle for the first of the year.

It's January. Apply for as many things as you can until the first draw result comes out. Until you're not batting 1,000. Because until then you are. Okay. Just crush everything. What I find funny is as soon as somebody draws something, we're applying a lot of guys. Right? And they'll draw something. They'll call. And points only on everything else from here on out, I bet. I love it. Those are great calls. And if you draw, I'm thinking, I'm still batting 1,000. Crush another three states and a bunch of raffle tags until I'm not. That's right. That's right. Because if you draw your first one, you're still batting 1,000. Keep going. But zero for zero. I mean, you're still 100%. You're not under 100% until you're unsuccessful. I don't know. I just don't have enough tags in my pocket. And you're saying I'm good. Huh? It's just a percentage. Just a percentage? All right. All right.

Who are you calling? Who are you calling? Let's call Dustin. Let's call Dustin Whitworth. We've got A. We've got a monster here. He's been bugging me about it. The glass half empty guys could say I'm batting zero. I say when you're zero for zero, I'm saying you're still at 1,000. It's a glass half full versus a glass half empty. I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. I know you baseball people out there are saying, well, you're zero until you get a hit. And that's what I was thinking. I think we all start at 1,000. I don't have any. We're all batting at 100%. We're all at 1,000 until we're not. That's the other way of looking at it. Okay. All right. So that's really clear. Optimism versus pessimism. Very, very clear. You still got a chance until you don't. You got it. All right. Here we go. So let's call Dustin. Hey, we've got a monster here signed for him specially.

We have to elaborate on that. What did that come from? Well, I don't know. He just hit him. We had a little back and forth on Instagram. Okay. And then he drew all these expo tags. He drew the moose tag. He drew a Shiraz tag. Yeah, he did. He did. I know it's Shiraz. I know. But sometimes it's not.

Am I on the podcast? And four, buddy. Why would we be calling you? Am I the first one? Why would we call you? Wyatt, did you tip him off with the text? Come on. I don't even have his number. Really? I want an entire case of white monsters signed by the office. You're never happy. I've got a signed one here. And it's sat here for the last 30 days. And I can't get you to come pick it up. You guys like talking about cars on the podcast. You want to talk about some car problems I had? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. We already did that. We've covered those bases already. Go ahead. Go ahead. We'll add yours in. I don't even know what a rod is in an engine. But apparently, if you throw one, it costs you $5,000. Well, you're not supposed to go to 6,000 RPMs up there in negative 20-degree weather up there. In my wife's GMC terrain. Really? Or anything. So what happened? How many miles it got on it? 82,000.

Come on. You're in the market? You do need to change the oil once in a while. Is that covered under the powertrain, though? Under the 100,000? I don't know. What year is it? Or is it 60? That's straight in the engine. Yeah, that's a Toyota thing, the 100,000. It's a 13. By the extended warranties. I mean, I'm just telling you. Hey, it's down there in Cedar City getting fixed. I might need one of you guys to drive it up for me to bring that monster up. Oh, come on. I mean, good. Good grief. I don't even know why we called you. Other than you drew a moose tag at the Hunt Expo. I did. Is that the topic of discussion? Well, we talked about we're all batting 1,000. Carter seems to think at the start of the year you're batting zero because you haven't done anything. I haven't acquired a tag yet. We're just debating on until you get a negative result, you're still batting 1,000.

You may not know Whitworth's a baseball player. Yeah, and then I chastise the baseball players, maybe wrongly, because I know then you've got to go one for one before you're batting 1,000. Okay. Yeah. Technically. But in my mind, you're batting 1,000 until you say no, unsuccessful. And I don't play baseball. I just know I don't have any deer tags in my pocket yet. You're batting. And I know how long you've been putting in for those tags, and so you're probably batting negative 1,000 or a couple of thousand. That's right. Really lost me down. But January starts a new year, and so the slate is clean. That was our purpose. And we're talking about that. We're talking about the Expo tags and who's applying. And then we thought, hey, call Whitworth. He was one of the guys at the end of those one and however many odds, and he got a tag.

And by the way, now I know why you haven't picked up your monster, because your car's in the shop. Your car's in the shop. And by the way, if you want to buy one, I've got one for sale. Just let me know. So do I. Good job, Cam Chuck. And if we were to mail that to you, we would have to lie when we go to the post office. It says, are you mailing anything liquid, perishable, hazardous, or whatever? Monsters can do some stuff. A, it's hazardous. B, it's liquid. That's right. We can't mail it to you. How many of you guys drank already? A couple. Well, none of your business. None of your business. My wife's going to edit this, and I don't want her to know. It's nothing personal. Nothing personal.

But anyway, how was your hunt? How was your hunt? Tell us a little bit about it. That prompted us to call you. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's one of those things I've been, like most of us, I've been putting in for those tags. Every year we go down there. And this year, I was like, this last year, I was like, okay, this is it. I'm done donating money to the fund and not getting anything for it. And then the last 15 minutes of cleanup, you know, on the last day, the guy got on the PA and, okay, any last entries, last call for entries? And I'm like, I can't not do this. And so I go running across the straight show floor with, like, eight minutes left. And all I did was the, you know, I'm a non-resident now, so I did the non-resident pack. Those five non-resident packs? Yeah, those five once in a lifetime. That's all you did? Those five? I think I did two.

I think I did, like, one deer and one elk, too. Oh, wow. That was pretty good. One out of six, and you got one. So he was at the very end. Yeah, his name. Top of the pile. Yeah. So that's my best advice is if you're right on top of the pile. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's Wyatt's claim to fame. And you've just added fuel to his fire. So I don't know. We're never going to get him to shut up about that now. Okay. Well. But, no, the hunt, man. The hunt was awesome. You know, I'd never hunted moose before. Seen quite a few of them there on the Wasax. That unit in particular is just massive. It's almost too big. But, luckily, man, the second I drew that, you know, they posted up all the results. And it's like, I had friends I didn't even know were friends. Me? Sending me pictures. Me? It was me. I hit you up for once. Yeah. Yeah. No, sending me pictures of moose.

And here's this moose and that moose. And we see him in this canyon. And it was. Wow. It was people, you know, on those type of tags. Like, you'd never do that on the general deer tag there in Utah or anything like that. No, we're letting air out of tires. Yeah. Yeah.

But, no, on that one, everybody seemed pretty, you know, a lot of guys were willing to help and stuff. And so, we had a couple bulls pinned down. And I maybe got a little trigger happy and shot one of the, I didn't kill the biggest bull that we were after. But, yeah, just, man, moose are big critters, big animals. Well, that's awesome. That was just this last year, right? Yeah. Yeah. Just barely so. How did you pack it out? Uh, 11 guys. Oh, wow. Didn't get any llamas or nothing. You know, this stupid watershed.

Because we called three different people. Yeah, we tried three different people trying to get approval. And the stupid, I understand the watershed principle, but. Is there something about llama droppings that are different between elk, deer, moose, people, dogs? Probably how everybody got COVID. Yeah.

Don't know. Just throwing it out there. Possible. Just disclaimer, llamas do not cause COVID. But I just wonder, I don't hunt on the Wasatch Front, so I didn't know you can't use llamas up there. So, I mean, I know I'm an idiot, but why? What is the, do they, probably because they spit on little lap dogs if you're walking one up the mountain or what? There's no question they do that. Go ahead. Well, it's not just the llamas. It's like, they have whole watershed areas where there's no pack animals allowed. Oh, okay. You know, where they, they think the waters. Horses. Yeah, horses or anything. I didn't know you. I think even some places, dogs, like you can't even, I don't know. Your dog's got to, they got to put your pad inside of a, you know, kind of like the ride at Disneyland. You got to be above this line. If your dog foot is bigger than this thing, you can't do it here.

He might destroy the watershed. Really? Yeah. Dogs are people too. You got to put a diaper on your dog. Wow. Interesting. Well, I, we learn something every day. We say that every day and we did today. I didn't know you couldn't take. Me neither. I mean, it makes sense, I guess, complete. It totally makes sense to keep the llamas out.

Hey, do you still have that picture of that world record that got packed out on the llama? He had to bring that up. What was it about that picture? Was the guy had the antlers on him, in his own backpack, but he was walking the llama? He was leading the llama. It was something along those lines. I'm like, I don't know. That was definitely staged. Definitely staged. Definitely photoshopped. I mean, when we had that podcast talking about, send me the pictures of a llama and a dead animal. Boom. Here we come. I had two pictures and we have 15,000 down lamas. Here's a good llama.

Listen, would it... I've got a good llama story when you're done, though. Two staged pictures. Go ahead. Go ahead, Dustin. Carter, would it have changed your opinion if it had been an antelope? Come on. Come on. Hey, you're from Wyoming now, right? I am. Carter burned his antelope points just kind of on a weird deal, on an interstate smash and grab. Why did we not see giants? We saw some giant antelope. But Carter didn't make enough time and then the fires got in the way, so he burned his points, so he's going to be calling you this year with zero points in what he can do in the cowboy state. I need some suggestions. The cowboy state. Or a point booster. That's right. If somebody wants to hunt with me, give me a holler. We're going to go with Dustin and he's going to bring some llamas. The antelope. I mean, good grief. Back country wilderness antelope. That's right. Dude, it's on.

It's on. Deep into the sage flats. I'm going to give you 23 hours and then I'm back to Mule Deer. No fences. No fences here. No fences here. No fences here. Yeah, we are in the no fences here state, aren't we? Give me the dates now. Give me the dates now because I am filming that one. Yes. Quaker patches and tangs. Here we go. All right, everybody.

How are you doing up there anyway? When are you coming home? Because that place is terrible up there. It's cold. Oh, man. I don't know if you could ever get me out of here. I'm starting to get used to a Region H and Region G tag every year in my pocket. Not only that, you can go statewide. Just go wherever you want. Yeah. Statewide and over-the-counter general out tag. Yeah. You're one of them. Yeah. Yeah, I'm one of those guys now. Restrict the non-residents and just enjoy your general. Cold out as long as you can. Hey, for six or eight years, I was like freaking Wyoming. Yeah, I'm like, those guys, you know, they got to open it up and they got to, you know, all the residents get all the tags and I'm singing a little different tune now. Yeah. If you can't beat them, join them. That's right. Hey, that's a wonderful state up there. Wyoming and Idaho. I'm telling you, there's so much game.

People have no idea. Opportunity. It's unbelievable. Well, and it's like, I mean, seriously though, it's like you guys say, it's all going to go away someday, you know, even the, even the, uh, resident options. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, you can't, you can't blame them for holding on as long as they can, I guess. No. You know. Heck no. Nope. Don't blame them at all. Yeah. We're just ticked off that we're not joining them like you. Yeah. And then meanwhile, meanwhile, you got Utah limiting the residents to only applying for one, one, one once in a lifetime. Oh, I know. I know. I know. What do you say? What do you say? Hey, at least we're moved past dial up. All right. I know you guys are still on. All right, guy. Have a good day. I guess you're making some guns. Go have a good day. Huh? Yeah. Appreciate the phone call. You guys stay out of trouble. All right. Yeah. Bye. See ya.

We're getting predicted. People are predicting us. I don't like it. I don't like it. I like to surprise. We're not sneaking up on anybody. They know they get a call between eight and five. And if they answer, that's the first thing out of their mouth. Even to surprise somebody. Even Kip suspected he was being recorded. To surprise somebody, we're going to have to call a Democrat. That might have been by the government, though. Huh? Kip might have suspected the government, not us, though.

Yeah. He might have thought ours was ruined. He might have thought he's. I'm being tapped. What?

Hey. I got a wiretap going in parallel. He's bought an arsenal. And he's a little nervous. He's flagged on the ATF website. Let's just put that. He's on Joe Biden's most wanted. Yeah. All right. Let's end this. Let's end this. Everybody out there, you're batting 1,000. You're batting zero. I don't know. Apply, apply, apply. Let's see if we can get some tags. So that's one. Thank you.