EP 190: Democrats and Drawing Tags

We still live in the best country on the planet. There's big deer, big elk out there. Have gotten the sense recently that you believe only Republicans hunt. You're not going to just go buy a doll sheep and a stone sheep for 2021. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter here, Adam Bronson, Chris Peterson at the mic. Coming at you from southern Utah, it's dry southern Utah, although we thought it was going to be wet. It's not wet yet, and we're very frustrated. Bronson, what do you think? Pretty bad when you see a 50% forecast of a snowflake on your phone, and you want to call your kids to see if they've called a snow day at school because it's such a big deal. A snow day. Speaking of snowflakes, we got a little gift from a snowflake out there. He's actually a member of ours. Really got a great gift from him. This is going to make you guys laugh. And we got a great little laugh at it here in the office. Reached out to our Epic Outdoors member, who is a Democrat. Well, and today is Inauguration Day, so how fitting. Read the letter. Well, anyway. So, okay.

So let's set the stage. That's it? Let's set the stage. There's nothing more to set. We've been trying to not be too political on the podcast. That's right. I don't know why. Well, it just gets you riled up. It's nice to talk about fun things like hunting. And using guns. Animals. That are God-given rights. But, and not getting those rights taken away from us. But anyway, so sometimes Adam and I get a little wound up. Chris, he just laughs. And we hope he lives. He agrees with us. So, right, Chris? You agree. He does. I get wound up. I just don't talk as much. Yeah, he doesn't. He gets angry. So, anyway. This is Inauguration Day. There was a lot of people out there who said it wasn't going to happen. It happened. And so, Biden is not my president. Hashtag. When's that going to start? Huh? I don't know. Let's change the subject. Okay. But anyway. Read your letter and let's move on.

First of all. Don't be angry. Hold on. It's just, I don't. The Snickers can't cure this hangry. Okay. I need to move on. Let's get on. So, anyway. We got a gift in the mail. It's a camo Biden 2020 hat. I can't get over this. So, anyway. Couldn't believe it when I got it. You should wear it in the field. First archery hunt of the year. Opening day, you need to wear that. Okay. Hold on. The camo Biden just seems like one of those. It's like oxymoron. Yeah. Like it doesn't. Hey. The word Biden does not belong on a camo hat. No. Just doesn't belong on a camo. I'm sorry if there's any Bidens out there. Any Bidens out there? Very sorry. What do you mean? He's a hunter. He named his son Hunter. Come on. I mean, isn't that a fact? Come on. I don't know. I mean. Yeah. Okay. Maybe I'm reading way too much into that. I don't know. He might be hunting something. All right. So, anyway.

Did get a letter. I want to read it. And I got permission from our member who is in good standing here at Epic Outdoors. And hey. He enjoyed it too. This is a good. Anyway. All in good fun. That's what we want to portray. I guess it's just hard. There are Biden supporters that listen to the podcast for that. We don't want to offend anybody. Don't want to offend anybody. So. We appreciate your business. Continue to support hunting. We're all sportsmen. All that. Having said that. It's just hard to support somebody that doesn't support guns. I guess I'm just going to say it that way. All right. So, let me read the letter. Jason. Hello from a loyal Epic Outdoors member. I very much appreciate the service you and the team provide. And have leveraged what I've learned to draw some great tags over the years. Keep up the great work. I also enjoy the podcast. But have gotten the sense recently.

And I don't know why he got this. Have gotten the sense recently that you believe only Republicans hunt. As a proud Democrat, I wanted to let you know there's at least one of us libs out here that is passionate about hunting and believes deeply in the North American wildlife conservation model. In the unlikely, in parentheses, unlikely event that you run into one of us around a campfire down the road, I've included a hat in the interest of inclusivity. And to help you fit in and feel welcome. Wear it with pride. Smile face.

All the best to you and the team and your families for 2021. Brett Best. Pretty funny. I'm going to leave his name off. He said I could use it. But anyway. Pretty funny. I sent him an email. Got your package with my Biden hat. Thanks a lot. We all got a good laugh. Read your letter. And anyway. Maybe I'll pass it on and not mention your name. And he said he's so relieved that we took it the way it was intended. A bit of fun in these tense times. And keep up the great work. We're all going to get through this nonsense. Hopefully with some solid tags in our pockets. Amen.

Moving along. I want to send him a Trump hat. You know. And he would probably wear it so often because there's a lot of Trump supporters around fires. He might even have a little sweat ring in it by the time he gets done with it. I don't know. But this one most likely won't be worn. All right.

Anyway. That's it. We actually. Little loosey goosey. It is. It is what it is. Bronson. We've got a new president. Got a new sheriff in town. I think part of this whole. The political thing for me. Is just that. When. When. We just want to go hunt. We want to mind our own business and go hunt. And when they bring. Don't want too much change. When they force you to fight. Don't want too much change. To affect what we've. Love. Been doing. Loving. Like taxes. More taxes on. Say silencers. Or. Ammunition. The inability to get some of that stuff. What's that Chris? Yeah. Inability to get ammo. Like. Or taxes on ammo. Or. I talked to a friend yesterday. Limits on stuff. In Arizona. He was at a yard sale. And bought. He said 600 rounds. Of 7mm Weatherby. And those are in factory boxes. Because those are. You know. Weatherby ammo. Right. 600 rounds. For 7mm Weatherby Mac. He didn't even own one.

Didn't even have a rifle. To shoot it in. He just felt compelled. To stockpile. Bought it. Probably an investment. He could sell it. Well. In his mind. He's like. It's way cheaper. To just go now. Buy the rifle. And I've got a gun. Ammo for life. And he's true. It's true. It's true. Whatever you can find. If you find 30-40 Craig ammo. Right now. Buy it. You're going to find a rifle for it. And then go find a 30-40 Craig. And you're set. I mean. Whatever you see on the shelf. Just buy it. 30-40 Craig. And then that's the deer rifle you use this fall. I mean. Come on. That's a fun game. My kids come home with 17 Mach 2s. And they're like. Dad. We can shoot this in our .22. I'm like. Come on. He's like. Well. Sometimes it splits the case. But yeah. You can. You're watching too much YouTube. I know. But anyway. But anyway. And along with that. They've affected us. And Adam.

You've seen it firsthand. In some of the desert sheep country. Like those wreck areas. That generally doesn't come from the Republican side. And so we've been restricted. Huh? I'm trying to pick up what you're putting down. Well. There's other things besides guns. From the Democrat side. That is. Well. We have. Let's just say. Let's just say. Been affected. Personally. We're going to talk about the national monuments. That's what I'm talking about. Who's putting money on these national monuments in Utah now. Going back to the land grab that they originally were. Or land use policies that now we're not going to be able to anchor chain. Pin your gene and turn seed behind it anymore in places. Because the Democratic way of thinking is more green, green, green. Save everything. Never access it. That's right. Restrict the access. So there's more than just. Hey. They're taking my pistol.

It's been in our backyard. But anyway. All right. Okay. But the February magazine is at the printer. It's done. And we're happy. Change of subject. Draw a line. Call it a day. We're excited about that. And the EMAG will be live any day. Keep an eye on that. And you'll be able to peruse. I've seen it live. Through the. I have too. It looks beautiful. Come back. You can peruse through the New Mexico, Utah, and even Oregon sections to start planning a little bit early. Although Utah doesn't open until, what, 28th or so. New Mexico. I don't know. Soon. Do March 17th. But anyway. We'll talk about that in detail in a week or so. But we're a little bit lighter on our feet today because that's the printer. And those are big tasks. We weren't so light when we woke up this morning because Arizona appeared to be extremely restrictive when you apply.

They were going to make us do a username and password, which you kind of need to have at some point anyway if you ever want a point guard or look up what they call a portal account. And so, you know, I mean, when you've got a lot of clients, meaning just the regular publication clients who now must do, it appeared that they must do a portal account, it was going to be somewhat inundating for them. And some people, it appeared, might not be able to get into the drawing, which they opened up today. And it appears it's going to be okay. You can get in with old identifiers, not this new one. You know, back in December, you probably got an email saying, hey, your online portal, username, password. Here's your new ID number. Here's your new username. And we've reset your password. It sent you an email to go to it. And you're like, whoa. I just barely got those where I could remember them.

That's right. Somewhat felt violating. Here's your new stuff. We reset for you. We did that for all five or six family members. That's right. So we had separate emails to all your kids, and you got to tell them, forward that code that you got emailed back to me so I could go back in, get in your account, reset it to something I have in a spreadsheet and can remember. And with my oldest, it would happen to be an email that he used back in high school days with his college credits in the high school. You know, so it was some obscure email. Obsolete email. It was obsolete and no longer valid. Well, yeah, but you have to use this email to go ahead and validate the change of a password, and you're just like, uh. So fortunately, that's part. To make your portal, set it up, log in, all that is still how it takes place. We still recommend that you do it, but it's not mandatory to apply.

You can go back to your old, you know, Arizona ID or your social security number and get in. Go back to your old ways. And apply. That's right. You can apply like normal, but, you know. Try to set up your portal account. If you haven't done it, you might need to call in to get a little help. They can give you your username and a temporary password. Jump in there. Adjust a few things. It'll be done forever. When you go apply and add the $5 protect my points point guard option, which this year, you're going to probably want that. For elk especially, it could be. We're still early, but it could be one of those years that's really dry. We saw a snowflake in the forecast, and we've been watching the radar. In the western hemisphere. It appears that there's been some storm that has come through, not done much, and is still coming through. Hopefully, we'll do something.

But anyway, that's our point about point guard is they'll allow you one time to be able to turn your tag back and get all your points back plus one for this year. And you can do that one time. The next time, you've got to use that tag, but it does give you kind of a freebie.

Anyway, so kind of awesome. You need to be able to do that, and point guard might be super useful, especially it doesn't affect sheep as much. I mean, who's going to turn back a sheep tag? Although Nevada mentioned they had nine people turn back sheep tags. Nine. And they didn't get reissued because a lot of them are done too close to the deadline that nobody takes them because they didn't have time to plan, prepare, or hire a guide, or all that. And they're actually maybe going to do something different this year. Stay tuned on how the reissue tag process. They're talking about, yeah, I don't know if we, I don't know. Yeah. Speculation. Just know. Just know that there's going to be some tags to be able to be issued first come, first serve, looks like. Potentially that the waiting periods will apply, and of course it'll take your points and whatnot. But anyway, we're excited for that.

There's a lot of change coming in Nevada as well. And Nevada's guide draws up, Bronson. We did talk about that in this publication that came out. We weren't going to talk about this publication, but just know if you're looking to go in the guide draw for mule deer, especially the rifle hunters, that's the tags available, rifle mule deer in Nevada. Then get with your guide, and he'll get you applied prior to March 8th. Yep. So the deadline. Just by way of announcement, Wyoming out deadline February 1st. Not got too much time to make a plan there. Keep in mind, you got to apply by February 1st. We no longer find out the results until mid-May. And you can withdraw in early May or modify it in just two points only. So if you want a name in the hat, let it ride, then pull it out by early May application amend deadline, you can do that. And do points only in the summer.

I think you can simply amend it, too. You can change your unit selection. You can't change special or regular. That's right. But you can change your unit selection. Not so bad. Make sure you get in for that.

Optics. And I don't know. We're just shotgunning it today. But there's some brand new optics, Bronson. We got some EL ranges from Swarovski that just came out. They made their announcement. A lot of you guys have seen it. And we're hearing they're absolutely incredible.

Maybe not quite as clear as an NL Pure. But maybe better than the old ELs. Yeah. That's fair. But with all the, just call them bells and whistles, with the Bluetooth compatible binos or rangefinders that have been really kind of taking the rifle, shooting world by storm the last, let's say, handful of years. Swarovski's finally perfected theirs. We knew it was coming. We knew it wasn't going to be launched right. I want to liken it to, like, the Honda Pioneer. They were the last one. So you're saying Swarovski's the last guy to the game? Well, I mean, it's just they just were probably perfecting it. Now, it seems like they're a little bit more methodical, I guess. And, you know, maybe a lot of people from a high-end optics line view them as maybe the pinnacle. And so they, you know, maybe didn't want to underachieve when it came to adding that feature.

So they've got some, yeah, they've got a Bluetooth and an app. And our good buddy, Colby, who's going to be coming on a podcast very shortly. Here in a couple days. We'll be crushing this subject. He was kind of part of their R&D. And he was in charge of basically trying to make it fail. Very, very familiar with it. Says it's unbelievable. And we're going to put it to the test. So anyway, we do have a pretty big, sizable order in for those. Going to be starting to ship February 1st to us. And so anyway. Call us. Yeah. If you've got the EL ranges now and you know you're going to want to upgrade, you know, plan on selling them. And just upgrade into the new Bluetooth compatible version. Load your load data in your rifle and all that. And have it all in one. All in one. It'll calculate everything. And then also, Bronson, that button's now on the right.

Some of you lefties may be angry about that. But the right-handed guys always had to use the left hand for the button. And it was just a little bit awkward. Sometimes when you're in archery range, you're going to. Yeah, your one hand in the bino, you grab it with your right. Yeah, because your bow's in your left hand as you're just trying to do this. And then you've got a button over there. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, it probably cost somebody a 220 buck. Yeah. Or maybe switch brands. I mean, I don't know. I'd be angry if that did that. But anyway, now it's on the right and it'll range to 10 yards. 10 yards where the old EL range wouldn't range under 30. Bronson, you have your own theory about that. You're a – Top pin, man. My top pin is 30. What does it matter if it's under 30? Three inches or so for max. I know, but it's just guys are particular. They need to know.

They want to hit a lifesaver at eight yards. Okay. It's like hunting field mice with a rifle. When people talk about – I mean, you should be able to judge 10 to 20 yards. I just contend that. Some people maybe have a harder time. Heat of the moment, they want something to really give them – Well, I think it's a natural. But tend to just top pin three inches low and punch it. I know. I don't know. Let it rip. But I think it's natural. We're so ingrained that you take a range every time and you don't want to break that cycle. It's just a – it's kind of muscle memory habit. But anyway, whatever. Speaking of other binos, which we do have since we're on the Swarovski topic, we've had an extensive, huge waiting list for NLPers for eights, tens, and twelves. And we have finally got through our eights and our ten waiting lists. And we have – Eights and tens on the shelf. That's right.

So anybody wants a – I did say eights and tens, not twelves. Anybody that's on the 12 waiting list – You're getting them shortly. I do not have twelves on the shelf and haven't gotten – The twelves are coming. They're coming. They're coming a little bit faster. We're moving down the list. But we do have eights and tens. And if you want them, you're not going to find a better price. Give us a call. And probably for the short term, we'll be able to keep them in stock because we're caught up on our waiting list. We're caught up. They're caught up. Everybody's getting happier by the day. You know what? And the twelves, I contend, are on a boat between here and wherever. And if the crew doesn't get COVID, we're going to have those shortly too. Here in the next two months, I think. Three months. We're talking getting a lot of people caught up in a short amount of time. That's right.

Making hopes and dreams come true. We realize there's been some frustration. It's out of our hands. We're not – we're going down the list. You know, we get them in. Check it twice. We get them in and they go out the door the very same day. But in the meantime, eights and tens. Got them on the shelf. Call. Bye. We got, you know, we got a lot of products on the shelf, whether it be Zeiss, Vortex. We do. Six hours that are coming too. It's more of those range finders. We've speculated well. Like it. Stocked up. So we did blow out some like it today, by the way. Don't know if you saw it. I was on the phone. Archibald wagged in front of my face in my doorway. So I didn't remember asking what he was told. Yeah. It's awesome. He did. He's preparing Octavids. Sweet. Kind of the ones you like. Really? That last one? Yeah. Yeah. For the temporary time being. Yeah. They're gone. They're gone.

Anyway, that's about it, folks. And so we've just got a lot going on. We've been super slammed here in the office. Got a little breathing room here for a minute. We're applying like crazy. Arizona opened up today. We're going to be applying Wyoming like crazy. We're excited. This is a great time of year. We cranked out our website. This is, you know, we talked about it earlier. We brought Kurt on. Nothing but positive reviews. We have people mentioning they're maybe dropping other places that they used to look at online odds. And it's very clean. Well, we'll realize and we have this as an added part of our service in addition to the consultation and the magazine and everything else. For $100 total. Not all we do. Yeah. It's not all we do. But now they have that component.

And a lot of people, frankly, just weren't used to going there and even thinking about even checking their drawing odds for other units that maybe we don't cover in the magazine. So it's all on there. Whether you're just checking a drawing odd for a unit that maybe we didn't cover in the magazine. Or you're actually going to play with minimum points queries or the online mapping tools and look at the hunt planner online. I mean, it's all there. It's all free. We've just added to it. We didn't raise the cost of membership. It's all adding, adding, adding value. So anyway, he did. Here's just a quote. You know, you guys' pages, so much cleaner and easier. And I trust it. And anyway, we just appreciate everybody that's gone on there. The feedback. I'm going to continue with it. And crank it out and continue to update it on a regular basis. And so anyway, just get better and better.

Super excited about that. A couple of other things. We're not going to see many of you at some of the shows. Namely, I guess, the sheep show, which is over with. That was last week. The Western Hunting Conservation Expo in mid-February. Which is where we got corona anyway. Yeah. First round. Yep. That's right. Wyatt, that was his first round. Dude, we were fevered for a week. Yeah. But anyway, we're not going to be there in person. They are going to have a lot of their, some virtual stuff online. A lot of their auctions and tags are going to be online still. But we're not going to be there. But if you all remember, there are the 200 permits that they raffle off in conjunction with the Western Hunting Conservation Expo for $5 each. Those are still going to happen. They have waived the in-person validation of those permits.

And so if you've never applied for those before, because you've never been able to drive to, fly to, crawl to, swim to Salt Lake City, to that event, you're in luck. You can apply for them now. These permits don't have a bearing on your bonus points that you may already have accrued for other species. Now, if you'd won an Expo permit, you could not, for deer, you couldn't also draw a deer tag this year in the state draw, but you'd go points only. But it's kind of a freebie. You got it and you still got your points. It doesn't affect that. Encourage you to go online to huntexpo.com. The list of the permits is all on there. If you need a reference to figure out what permits are good, bad, ugly, whatever, you can use the February magazine, which, like I said, the e-mag will be online here in a couple of days. You should have that even by first part of February.

And to be able to just guide the size of bucks or bulls in some of the deer and elk units, if, you know, you don't know what one unit's capable of producing for another. Everybody can apply only once for each hunt. So $5 per hunt and you're done. You go to the next one, Adam, cart checkout. Again, no validation in person. So go to huntexpo.com if you want to check those out. Got to be in as many draws as you can afford to be in. And there's some great tags there. So anyway, I've already got mine in. I went in and applied. And then I went back in and applied some more. Really? Yeah, I did. And I went in and it says, you've already applied for this one. You've already applied for this one. You've already applied for this one. And I was like, yep, I want some more. Do you want to share with us what you didn't do the first time that you slept on and really thought you couldn't live without?

No. It's interesting. No. I just, I'm kind of intrigued to know what that would have been. But they do have some draws on there. When you go to click at the bottom, I looked at that. I mean, you know, somewhat sobering. But having said that, at the end of the day, it's five bucks, Bronson. It's five dollars. You can't do anything. In the immortal words of Jim Carrey. So you're saying there's a chance. Yeah, there's a chance. Somebody is saying there's a chance. That's right. Here we go. And Bronson, you're a guy that hates dollar bills even. What do you mean? Even the single ones. You want them to do away with the single ones. I do not. Pennies especially. Pennies is ridiculous. You know, I lived in Boston. That doesn't morph into the ones. You're okay with ones? I mean, I got some ones. I don't mind dollar bills. I don't like change in general. But pennies are a joke. Okay.

I mean, come on. I read this once somewhere. We may need to melt them down the way this is. Okay. I'd like to know. I think I read it. Somebody told me once, and it's probably wrong. It's hearsay. It's urban legend. That a penny costs two or three cents to make. Okay. And it probably does. And it's worth one. What freaking company? Who would do that? Think about how many times it's changed hands and how many taxes have been associated with that penny. Like, every time you buy a truck, it's taxed. I sell it. The next guy gets taxed. He sells it. The next guy gets taxed. How much money did that penny make? If something is worth less than what it takes to produce, it's obsolete. We now have a five cent is our lowest coin. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I like it. Round up or down to the nearest five cent and call it a day. At the end of the day.

And the copper, the price of copper right now, if you could take your pennies in, you could probably buy a hunt with all the pennies. Metal is going up. I saw today, it actually gold jumped about 25 bucks. I don't know what Biden's doing, but usually, usually you've got something to think for for your portfolio. Okay. So usually metal goes up when people are nervous and withdrawing funds and putting it in other places. So I don't know. But whatever. Whatever. You don't know why the price of gold does what it does. So the five bucks, it's five bucks. Go, go put your name in the hat. Speaking of putting your names in the hat, we have our epic hunt giveaway. We're giving away hunts. You know what? I talked to a guy, Bronson, you've talked to guys. The one thing that's, that sets us apart is these are hunts. We would go on ourselves. They're not just.

And we booked them a year or two in advance. Some of these, you're not going to just go buy a doll sheep and a stone sheep for, for 2021. Go, go try to do that right now. I challenge you anywhere. That's a really reputable, awesome, awesome outfitter. You're right. You got to buy these two years in advance. We did. And time to give them away up until February 28th. Well, we've watched some of these hunts being sold on this online hunting auctions.com and different places. And it's, the prices are unbelievable. Money is not an object. When I texted you, I said money is no object. It feels like people are just gone crazy. It feels like people think they're going on their last hunt of their life. They're just, it's crazy what people are paying for some of these hunts at the sheep show. And granted, that's a little bit different segment of cross section of society. I get it.

But, and it's also a species that there's very finite resources for. So, you know, you're not, you don't have hundreds and hundreds of auction sheep tags out west. But, but we see the same general trend when the antelope and deer and elk tags start being sold here in the coming weeks in Utah. And commissioner tags in Wyoming and landowner tags in New Mexico. There's not an open auction room where everybody's getting drunk and competing with each other and just having a good time. These tag prices are blowing up. Yeah. Over the phone. Over Zoom. Over whatever. Just a computer. Yeah. And John Bear doing his thing. He's good at it. He's good stomping. I miss the old stomper. How about you, huh? I do. I don't know. So anyway, kind of crazy. Give him a call. We even, all right, let's call him in a sec. We even, you know, I was thinking about this Idaho wolf. I gave this out.

A gal here in the office was asking about it. And, you know, for a relative of hers, Bronson, can you think of a better one? In the lower 48? No. Not a better guy. And so anyway, that's, I guess, our point. Super great hunts. So you can jump in there, refer a friend, new members get a ticket in there, or you can buy into a ticket package. Of course, we're giving away the Epic Knife. Pile of optics, too. Outdoor Edge. Pile of optics. If you purchase a $500 ticket package, I mean, we're giving away $13,000 in optics. Those are real pennies. There's a lot of pennies. What is it? 13,000 times 100. What is it? I don't know. 1. 1.3 mil? Huh? I was going to say that, and that's not that many. It's not. 100 times 13,000. Dude, that's 1.3. I'm pretty darn good. 1.3. I about said it, and it sounded bad. So I bit my tongue. Yeah, you want 1.3 million pennies worth of optics. You can apply for those.

That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's the only way. 13,000 $1 bills. Yeah, it's the only way using the word penny makes it sound big and bad is if you turn things to pennies. Yeah, so anyway. You should still do it with them. Turn pennies into bullets. That's what we're going to do. All right. So where else? Where else? What does that leave us? Yeah, get in. It's going to be the deadline is February 28th. You can call in. You can get on our website. You can mail in whatever. 435-263-0777. 263-0777. Epicoutdoors.com. You can get on there and make sure your name is in that hat. These are tags and hunts that we would purchase ourself. No question about it. You know, another one of the advertisers and partners that we've worked with from the start is Red Rock Precision. And one of the great things about going to the Expos as well is being able to walk into their booth

and seeing all the different guns that they have, maybe the stock combination, the color schemes on stocks, the scope combinations. Frankly, it's how I picked one of my scopes on one of my most recent rifles that I had from them, one of my sheep rifles that I had built for myself and the clients. One of a few? Well, you've got a few sheep rifles. Well, my brother and I split one. Yeah, so that was, you know, it's great. You can't have too many guns. Somebody told me you can't have too many guns once. And not going to be able to go in person with them in their booths. They're at the sheep show at Dallas Safari Club. I think they usually go there, Western Hunting Conservation Expo. But they're still cranking out guns. Kurt and his crew there know what they're doing. You know, give them a call or check them out on their website, redrockprecision.com.

Whatever scope combination pattern or combination you're looking at, whether it be for a more lightweight rifle, mountain rifle, or an all-around, you know, maybe you're wanting to just bang still. I had a guy who wanted to make a 22-250. That'd be pretty cool. Yeah. It's kind of cool. Well, maybe for a varmint. Like if you're a serious prairie dog shooter or something like that. One thing, these guys will let you build your dream rifle. So, anyway, redrockprecision.com. Check them out. Well, I want to go back to politics. I want to go back to politics for a minute. Are you okay with that? Just for a sec. Chris, you can strike it if you want. One thing I'm going to miss about Don Jr., okay, and hopefully he keeps up the rhetoric a little bit. Maybe tempered a little. But good dude. When he's on video, there's dead animals in the background. How can you not like that?

Okay, there's mounts on the wall, deer, different critters, sheep, whatever. And I'm like, that's my guy. Having a video, talking to millions with animals in the background. How can you go wrong? Huh? That's right. That's not really political. That's just saying, hey, I love seeing dead animals on the wall behind somebody talking that maybe normally would hide from that because of the public eye that would be bullseye would put on him. He don't give a crap. No. But anyway, maybe when Ivanka becomes president, maybe she'll have a dead animal on the wall. I don't know. Dude, tell me she wouldn't be good. Her or Candace Owens. Huh? Maybe even prez, vice prez. I don't know. Candace is pretty legit. All right. Whatever. Let's move on. What do you got? What? Bronson. Okay. All right. Good friend of ours. Blaine St. James. SJSSportingproperties.com. Dude, this guy's a freaking killer.

He's hunting nonstop. He's fishing nonstop. He sends me pictures of these freaking giant trout and whatnot, checking out ranches. He knows. He gets a lot of this. He goes to ranches and says, well, this is, if you expect me to sell this place, and I'm totally speculating, Blaine, here. But I know, Blaine. If you expect me to sell this place, is there any fish in this trick? Let me bring my whole family down here for the weekend. And my friends. And see if you got any fish in these waters. That's right. That's right. That would be Blaine. It's really good. It seems to be really good. I need to make sure. Now we need to go for quantities, make sure that this happens two and three days in a row. That's right. Yeah. And by the way, does this have any big game? Is there any elk and deer on the place? I'm going to need to smoke one. And by the way, if I smoke one, you'll get full asking price.

That's right. So anyway, Blaine. Kind of teasing there. But Blaine, he'll be able to vet out property. Or be able to help vet it out for you if you're looking at buying some property out west. Well, what I like about Blaine, he understands the draw process, and he'll be able to help the client. That may be you. Say, this is how you're going to get tags. This is how you're going to apply for landowner tags. These are the options. He thinks like a hunter. He is a hunter. He's a good friend of ours. Killed many trophy big game animals. And so anyway, I would definitely call him. If I'm looking to buy a ranch, I'd be talking to Blaine on a regular basis. Maybe at the end of the day, you find the ranch on your own. Whatever. No question. I'd have him on speed dial. Work with him on a regular basis trying to find something. 877-354-7247. That's Blaine St. James. Info at SJS.

Actually, it's SJSportingProperties.com. Info at SJSportingProperties.com. He's licensed in Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Wyoming. Seems like all the states you should be applying for, and maybe one or two that you could not apply for. But he's there. Let's call John Bear. I don't know. Yeah. See what he thinks on the per tag prices. See what he thought about that COVID environment sale that he just did.

Maybe he's making a video with his little gal. Huh?

Maybe, huh? Skullbound? Skullbound TV? Maybe he's out smoking a coyote right now. Probably shooting a coyote, getting videoed. Maybe he's in the middle of a call right now, and forgot to turn his ringer off, and you're going to blow the whole set. Let's find out. His phone's bouncing and buzzing in his pocket. He probably sounds like a coyote hound. Still no. Hey! We were just talking about you. We're in the middle of a hot mic podcast, and your name brought up, so we said, let's just call that man who stomped his feet a few times in Reno last week. Tell us why tag prices are doing what they're doing. Jeez. Because people are freaking sick of sitting on the sidelines, man. That's right. They want to get out and live a little bit, and our former president actually build an economy where people could make some money, and they won't spend it. You mean Biden's not your president?

He is not my president. He may hold the office, but no, he is not my president. Did you watch him get sworn in today? I did not watch him get sworn in. There was a guy here changing the dumpsters at work, and so I thought I can just watch garbage right here. I don't need to tune in. All right. This is Adam. I'm here with Carter. We've been having some political talk today. We said we were done, but then we called you, and so I guess we're not done. You know, I should have more respect for the position, but I'm not happy about it today, but I'll get over it. What about Don Jr.? We were talking when he does those videos, and he's got mounts of deer and whatnot in the background in his place. It's pretty awesome. It's pretty awesome. I think that's his cabin he's got up in northern New York there somewhere. Yeah, he's killed some good stuff. He can probably afford some pretty good hunts.

Yeah, he probably can. Possible. Yeah, he's got some good ones. What else is going on, boys? Well, we're just talking about this COVID environment we're living in, and some people are thinking, hey, is there a bunch of deals? Because people aren't going hunting, and they're pulling back, and it's the exact opposite. It's like money grows on trees. People are spending it. Well, and that, or people are trying to draw tags like crazy, and point creep's going to happen. Basically, like you said, John, people are, they want something to look forward to. Get me out of my job situation this fall. Get me out of my mask and my Zoom meetings. Yeah, get me out of all that, and let me go to the hills. Give me something bright to look forward to, and write on my calendar wall in the office. I agree with you 100%.

I think people are wanting to get out and enjoy things in life that actually make them happy and give them some hope and give them something to look forward to. If you watch the news, and that's the extent of your information and what you have to look forward to, it's pretty bleak out there. But hunters know better. There's brighter days ahead in the mountains, and you just got to go out and create those experiences. For those of you that may not know who we just called, this is the John Bear. And he is probably the most famous Western auctioneer. West of the Mississippi. I'll just say that. Yeah, West of the Mississippi. Yeah. And he's done many of the highlighted auctions at many of the big conventions, whether it be Dallas Safari Club, Sheep Show, Western Hunting Conservation Expo, you know, the Manti, you know, flea market. Whatever you do in your award fundraiser.

The Sampy County Fair auction. Sampy. There you go. It doesn't matter big or small, you've done them all, right? Yeah. So, yeah. Your signature is the foot stomping, huh? That's right. That's what I do. You know, and I don't even know how I pick that up. I just, I don't know. I don't know how I. Because there's lots of other auctioneers that think that's a great thing to do. No, but that's kind of your deal. Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's, you know. My buddy, Keith, that I work with at the Sheep Show, he couldn't get out of Canada this year, so he didn't make it down. But he hates it when I do that. He told me, he says, don't do that. Don't stomp. Because that's not professional. I remember you telling me that. I remember you telling me that. But I just, I tell him, I can't help it. No. I know. I tell him, you could be the professional one. I'll be the unhinged, you know.

Well, I had a big. I had a brother-in-law that walks in the first day and puts his boots up on the coffee table. That'll be me. That's you. Well, you had a big event this last week, a little bit different. I don't know how many people were actually live in that room. You know, but. There was about 15 people in the room, and they were all working. Cheap show. All staff. Yeah. Folks. There was like clapping and stuff going on. Yeah. We didn't know what it was. The first one that sold, I'm like, whoa. This is a. And then I heard the cheer the second time. I'm like, that sounded like the first one. I'm not sure. That's all the staff that are like the sheep show staff. And we had, there was me and Les selling and running the deal. And then we had like three ring guys, ring men there, just to help keep track, make sure we were all on the same page. And with the kids.

Look at the computer screens. Yeah. Look at the computer screens and stuff. Yep. You know, I will say this. The sheep show did a really, really good job of putting together a virtual event. And they had auctions that were packed full of good stuff that was easy to sell. And man, did things ever sell. We did $8 million in about four auctions. Yeah. Unbelievable prices. That's Jason Carter kind of money. Come on. We were just talking about the penny. I don't want to do away with it. And Bronson wants to get rid of it. Pennies are worthless. Hey, and that's pennies money too. Jason. And I've heard this, John. Maybe you've heard this. You deal with a lot of money changing hands. But I've heard that a penny takes like two or three cents to make a penny. And that just doesn't make business sense for me to keep doing pennies. Round to the nearest five.

Round to the nearest nickel and call it a day. But how many times does a penny tax? I keep waiting for you. You know, you're one of those smarter guys I know. I've always considered you. Where's this going? When are you going to invent the 99 cent coin so we can do it? There you go. Yeah. We could put the Bronson on it. It could be known as the Bronson. I don't know. But just round to the nearest five. Pennies are just that. I mean, when we were kids, we used to get up there, grubby hands, pre-COVID, and just grab a wad of sweetest fish out of the thing and count them out until you had, you know, 50 of them and drop your pennies on there and you bought them. And then you found out, oh, there's three cent tax. And you started crying. And he said, just take them, young boy. You're good. I used to put lead pellets in my mouth, too. You know, you're hunting birds. You're babies. Lead pellets.

That's right. Oh, yeah. See, Adam has tried to figure out how to better the economy. And Jason's talking about eating lead pellets. I don't know. I know. He's on. Anyway. No, I'll say this. You know, for the auction out there, man, tag prices were amazing. Even the stuff north of the border sold really well. So people are anticipating the border opening up here reasonably soon and, you know, trying to get back to business. I hope so. Hope so. I'm figuring with Biden, we're headed there. What do you think? Oh, jeez. Yeah. Hey. Well, there's going to be a big empty pipeline going across the border now. So we can just crawl through that. There we go. Let me know where that surfaces. That's right. Hey, I got a question. Fire away. In all seriousness, you like to hunt coyotes. Yes. My favorite. Probably pretty good at it, if I had to guess. Yeah. Depends on the day. But, yeah, I like it.

It's my thing. Have you ever, to this day, let Jana Waller, Skullbound, shoot one? Let me just tell you a little story. I can't do it. My kids are in the truck. If we see one, I'm dad shooting it. Because I don't trust that they're going to get it killed. And you can't let one live. But, anyway, I was just wondering. I will tell you this. Yeah. Jana is a good shot. She's pretty handy with a gun. And so, yeah, she's, in fact, on a couple of her episodes, we got her shooting and then killing a few. And, of course, if I'm up first and I kill one and she doesn't, you know, she's got to give me a little bit of a hard time. So. Well, good to know you. How smart are coyotes? How smart are they? How smart are they? Smartest critter to ever live? They're smart enough that if they could vote, they would not trust their vote to a Dominion voting machine. And they would vote red. Okay. All right.

There you go. Pretty smart. That's a smart dog. They're extremely smart. But, no, yeah, that's, I mean, that's, yeah, they're a lot of fun. Well, speaking of coyotes, so, yeah, those sheep tag prices, back to those, takes a lot of coyotes in Utah to add up to some of the prices of those sheep tags. You'd have to buy me a lot of coyotes. That's right. I think I sold the, what tag did we have out there? What's the cheapest thing you sold of anything? Do you think, do you think, do you can even remember? The cheapest sheep tag I sold was probably the Utah. Dirty double. 55. 55. 55. Yep. Sold it for 55 grand. The expense, it was what, 440 in Montana, I think it was? 430, 440? Yeah, 440. 440. That's the most expensive tag I've ever. Ever. Ever sold was that tag, and I sold it for 480 grand in 2013. Wow. Wow. And then we sold it for 440 again.

I've sold a few over 400 several times, but yeah, that's pretty impressive. A lot of money. That's a lot of things. Well, we may have you on here in another couple of weeks prior to the Hunt Expo. I don't know. It's going to be kind of weird. We're not walking the halls. We're not running into you there, having a hot mic in your face there. It's crazy, but you know, we are, I will tell you this, we are putting together a good online auction, so all those permits, people will be able to get on and watch it, watch people buy them. They'll be bidding online, of course, same kind of deal as we did in Reno. That's what I was going to ask. They're going to do the online honey auctions. We'll power the online version, but you're going to do an evening or day events on the third Fridays or Saturdays, much like you did at the Sheep Show, same type of thing, so we can hear the boots stomping.

All right. Yeah. See it. You know, when you're standing on carpet and there's no stage under your boots. Well, hey, when you're the auctioneer in demand like you are, you walk on a stage, if it's carpeted, you say, what's this? Like, strip it off. This is not my rollout. We both know that's not true. I walk in the building and they start giving me orders like I'm a janitor, you know, like I get the garbage sheet over there. I mean, but it's a signature. If it's your signature, you can't. Yeah, I mean, it's who you are. It's like. My kids told me I should get a pair of boots that have like taps on the back. Do it. Those clocks or whatever. Yeah. We'll have them custom made. Yeah. Yeah. Get a pair of Kenetrex with those on the bottom. Be the clogger. John the clogger. There you go. All right. Well, anything else you want to say or throw out? What have you been thinking about?

Anything else today that's positive? Well, you know, I will say this. It's, you know, if you lean to the right a little bit, like I think a lot of your followers do and like I do, today's not your happiest day, but life is great. We still live in the best country and on the planet. There's big deer, big elk out there. Great sheep. I mean, there's, we have a lot going on for us and now above any other time, it'd be a good time for, for us to count our blessings and make some fun plans for this year. And let's just get on the living, man. Amen. I'm with you. That's what we're doing here. I'm going to put on my camel Biden hat that I was sent by. By a Democrat listener. A Democrat listener. He's actually a good client of ours. Good guy. But he did want to remind me that there's a few Dems on our side out there. I don't know.

Anyway, if you haven't seen it, if you've never seen a camel Biden hat, I've got one. I'll take a picture of it for you. Well, I'd like you to send it to me. And I got to say, you boys are pretty brave. Just call me up to be on your show out of the blue. Well, Bronson figured you were behind a sagebrush with, you know, calling in a dog. I figured he was mid stand right now and forgot to turn his ringer off and was going to blame whoever was buzzing. And he probably had, is your ringtone a coyote howling? I just, I had money on that. Is it really? It is. Yes, it is. I told you that. He did. Is it an alert? Is it a lonely dog? It goes off one stand. It doesn't ruin it. No, it's just a, I think it's a group howl. When does the dying rabbit go off? When Jana calls? There's the dying rabbit.

Oh, no. That's like, oh, geez. Yeah. That's a Western meadowlark. That's right. The Western meadowlark. All right. We're done. We're done. All right, guy. Hey, we'll check in with you later. We're just obviously a little bit bored this afternoon, but we're on the topic of tags and crazy, you know, the frenzy people wanting to get hunts lined up and talked about the last weekend. I thought, let's call John to get a little perspective on it. And we, you added to it. So, we appreciate you, man. We appreciate it. It's good to talk to you, boys. We'll do it again. Keep pulling them pennies out of people, all right? All right, buddy. We'll do it, man. Pull nickels or higher. Nickels or higher. All right, guy. Talk to you later. Bye. We'll see you guys. Bye. Bye.

Let's call it a day. Well, I'm done. I just got to say one thing. What? About that. About currency. How long ago? I lived overseas in Australia in the early 90s. Okay. Okay. Did you kill a... Do they have kangaroos? What do they have? Kangaroos. They have water buffalo. Saltwater crocs. Dingoes. Okay. Okay. Malaria. No, but I think that's Africa, Carter. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just wondering. Anyway, but that's most of them. Emus. They have emus running around. What's an emu? Well, they're like an ostrich, but different. But they're birds like that. Don't they peck you like they can freaking crack your skull? I don't know the force of an emu, Pete. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about currency. When I was there in the early 90s, they rounded to... They wouldn't even want American pennies. No, they rounded to... They don't even want American pennies.

And they're under British rule, but they are commonwealth, so they have Australian money. In the early 90s, they rounded to the nearest five cent in the early 90s there. And it's been in my mind ever since. Now, they also had one and two dollar coins that were like the size of a dime. And so, as a poor dude, I was a missionary at the time for my church, two dollar coin is like, that's a lot of money. And you could... They were tiny. I hated those because you could lose those and there's lunch. That's a good point. Well, I don't mean to give you too hard a time about the penny because when I was in high school, I'd take the pennies and throw them on the ground and think, well, I'm going to make somebody... Somebody will want them. I just didn't want them in my pocket. They've run their course of time. Okay. And let's make America great again without the penny. All right. With that,

let's call it a day. Amen. Thank you.