EP 208: Point Creep and What to Do if You Didn't Draw

so anyway lots of point creeping going on out there Arizona OTC here had a lot of changes some were unaffected some changed dramatically some went all the way to limited entry anything to do with Western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by Under Armour hey everybody Jason Carter Adam Bronson Chris Peterson coming at you from Southern Utah all right everybody well anyway we're having a good time here in Southern Utah although I do need to start us off with appreciating Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast and all the support they give us here at epic outdoors we appreciate you good job they do have some new products coming out here in about a month month and a half and their website ua.com should be loaded so anyway great products doing great doing good things and so we appreciate them but Bronson yeah how was the point

creep in Colorado I don't know I had zero points and I didn't draw jack I heard it was really bad in fact all three of us had zero points so I really didn't care hey I still got a second choice tag how about that oh yeah you're gonna keep it it looks like I might have to landowner tags are premium Bronson it's bad when you can't even buy your way in can't even buy your way I know I can't even do it either and I'm trying to make $500 off of you by the way I think you had to take me up on that by May 1 well I told you I was gonna do it we're gonna have to replay that no I'm told you I'm gonna do it but I I don't think you were contractually bound like I think the idea was no I told you I agreed on the podcast it's our true muscle it's gonna happen we're gonna have to review some podcasts to see everybody knows what the liabilities are and if there's you're liable for $500

there's any fine print that'll get me out of it no actually Bronson you go I don't think absolute worth the five benjis I don't think I can take your money dude so what ain't what he's telling you everybody is he's lined up for the muzzy or archery he's telling me that he's telling you that I've already said that yeah and you heard it here first or second or going so anyway I'm excited to pay you $500 and I don't know if it's legal to gamble in Utah but we did it well it's not really $4.99 because I know the big buck contest in Utah you can't do anything over $500 so let's just call it $4.99 is that true yeah we should put on a big buck contest for $4.99 plus a bunch of free gear huh yeah I don't know if that counts I don't know what if we do that dude you know what these podcasts are good for coming up with ideas we're gonna do it on weight see how many lead pipes fall out of

300 pounds dressed a blank of meat no I don't I don't care about that do you the old days they did we're gonna have Wyatt we're gonna have Wyatt score everything I don't know remember how they used to score him the t score is like width plus height and then you add the points or something like that I wonder how they got t out of that well it's you know height width high and wide okay I don't know but anyway all right I don't know why we're there but anyway we have a good we have a good friend of ours Steve Carroll stops into the office whining that because of me he didn't get drawn party of four is no longer having Colorado they've canceled hotel reservations meat packers single handedly crushing the economy yeah well we're not really crushing economy because somebody took the tag somebody's that's I think I agree I think they're gonna spend more I think they're gonna spend

alive and well especially on units that with lower tag totals anyway lots of fun stuff going on here epic outdoors western big game hunting it's pretty awesome there's a lot of stuff going on a lot of plans being made a lot of dreams being crushed did you take that razor out this weekend no the epic one I didn't I didn't have a chance to why not I don't know give them a plug that thing's bad yeah they're pretty awesome triple s if anybody is kind of watching our insta feed we also put it out on youtube did we yeah it was awesome the delivery video had the delivery of the epic package well I had to tease him that the polaris label wasn't all wazooed out like the epic label wasn't that I was dissing on polaris but anyway it doesn't have antlers involved so it's not as cool that's right just flat out but

what an awesome build it's the epic bill sounds good rolls off the end of your tongue uh anyway it's a four seat razor it's it's pretty bad a right it'll throw you back in the chair yeah that turbo works you and you and john when I already went out classic I saw a picture of john glassy we went it might have been a photo shoot I don't know was he went out by uh flunked back behind my house oh yeah all right well anyway it's pretty awesome uh appreciate them triple s polaris 435 a65 0100 435 a65 0100 triple s polaris they'll uh deliver a hand build handcraft customized whatever you need anyway super good people give colton a call he runs the place and has good people that work for him too so anyway here in cedar city utah they know their stuff they'll sell you anything there's even a six wheeler he's got a six wheeler in there with the epic logo on it yeah

who authorized that but it does look cool so whatever throw them on there throw them on all of them for all we care all right what's next bronson got anything else coming up no we got a lot of optics on the front burner I mean it's been a busy couple of weeks it seems like here it's that time of year tags have come out a lot of them 80 will say have come out you know what you've got or what you don't have those of you that are making plans you better get on it um we are getting better in fact we got a huge shipment carter of 95 millimeter objectives from swarrow coming in this week it's um like 100 pounds worth or 200 pounds I don't know how many pounds how much weight did we bring in an optics can we just say how many pieces instead of the guy had to strap on a freaking back saver thing to freaking bring all the stuff in we're getting optics

in like it's our job loads of 95s if you've been waiting for those for atx stx or btx options or if you had a 65 or 85 and you want the 95 now now's the time to get them these have been on back order for a lot of places for a long time we've we've been getting them trickling in we've had a few orders in 15 or 20 in the last few months but this is the first log jam break breakage it feels like and uh it feels like these we ordered dozens how many months ago yeah yeah that's right so give us a call we've got awesome prices on them they're ready to hit the hit the streets and hit your hit your pack and get out in the hills it is time to get out in the hills i'm starting to see everybody posting up pictures of being out in the hills and loading up the woods with trail cameras and so anyway now's the time it's it's that time you're needing trail cameras give us all as well

we got a whole room dedicated toward it and uh loaded with cameras in there lots of pounds boxes pounds pounds pounds hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them and then we have the el range of ta's back to the optics we do have swirl with the el range ta's the new 10 by 42 it's got the amazing classic bronson i mean i can't tell a huge difference maybe not any difference between the nl pure 10 power and these eel ranges pretty impressive pretty impressive they say there's a difference but it's hard to hard to notice they're pretty awesome pretty crisp you have to be here right at the crack of dark and i'm usually in bed by then all right so anyway uh pretty awesome uh we do have bronson you you initiated this whole package why don't you go ahead and well we had a we had a few we kind of like when we get a big shipment a log jam breakthrough um we had a log jam breakthrough on

some of our vortex tripods the summit carbon uh nice lightweight packable tripod with a head uh tripod head and everything included we had an awesome little package we threw together with the 18 by 56 um razor uhd bino and we've got a few of those left and we did the the summit tripod kit yeah the entire kit comes with a little plate head like you said everything with a pair of uhd 18 by 56 vortex razor uhd's and then a 10 by 42 pair of diamondback hd's free right what's it tripods free pair of tens are free and all for the price of the 18s yeah call us while they last 1699 while they last they're not gonna last we only got a few left all right and that is what else the truth one last thing bronson we have one bow left one hoyt rx5 hbx it's a it's it's set at a 29 inch draw but the draw range is 28.5 to 30 it's a 60 to 70 pound weight bow what color is that right

it's wilderness which is what a dark green yeah gorgeous bow not to be confused with gecko green first 1225 takes it what what you just blew by gecko green like i didn't even say i don't know i got something on my mind i don't know what it was 1225 first 1225 takes it all right what else here we go no i think that's that for that but or if there's something we haven't talked about and you're thinking about it whether it be swaro 15 and swaro spawning scope zeiss bino zeiss rifle scopes like it doesn't matter give us a call we've been super aggressive on our orders way over ordering when we when we felt the crunch coming months ago and consequently we've been able to keep stuff flowing so keep us in mind prices are awesome and um we promise you we're going to make it worth your time give us a call check it out okay everybody we did talk a little bit about um

you know point creep and some of these different things we've seen a lot of point creep uh across the board and and it's kind of a weird saying point creep kind of like do it yourself or diy it's just one of those terms that's being how do you describe it just it's just when there's a frenzy everybody wants something for for certain reasons and this year the dates in colorado was the reason the dates brought people to the table second third and fourth season crushed stuff they also want to feed their families in this coveted environment i wonder how it affected cow tags i don't know it it feels like there's demand for everything probably probably had to burn points on cow tags left and right instead of second choice so we had a lot of units taken i mean 44 second went from a partial draw of seven up to 14 15 points guaranteed it i mean that's let's call it a seven point jump yeah double

seven point jump right when you're talking about i think 50 total tags roughly if i'm remembering carter right i mean that's a low number that's not non-resident tags so that's now that's a low number of tags and the lower the number of tags the higher potential creep it affected so it's on it's unfortunate if you had hopes dreams plans and uh people are angry yep people are angry i'm angry i got a second choice tag which is fine i'm i should be grateful but i you know i'd like to get a landowner tag i can't find one that you know and they're just hard to find so there's a lot of demand out there we had a lot of point jumps and keep in mind adam and i don't have any of this written down we never come to the table with anything we should have better notes bronson but but off the cuff i mean

you're talking you know incredible point jumps um you know i guess that's 68 third i mean it went from whatever you know seven let's call it seven point yeah up to 12 you know partial with 11 12 points um you those are huge jumps it's going to be interesting next year what is reality going to be next year is there going to be any relaxation what do you call relaxation of of point creep what's the opposite of point lessening of the point i don't know what's the word point creep versus point blank what is the word i don't know chris deflation lessening of demand i don't know bronson regardless though what i think is interesting is there's there always isn't there's a new level set there's a new bar right doesn't feel like it goes the other way it doesn't generally but sometimes we've seen it where like there's there's

one guy that applied with 20 one guy that applied with 17 two guys with 16 the next point guy is like 11 and it really shows 16 even though the next guy with 13 or 12 would have got it but there wasn't a guy so the next year happens and then next year you have a lessening all of a sudden yeah boom wow i can't believe a guy snuck in with eight when it was 16 stuff like that happens right in these weird places yeah not even weird just kind of off the radar yeah you know northern units or whatever in southern and northern units feels like center of the state there's lots of demand feels like inflation but anyway inflation and then you have when then you have when you when guys look at it they have a self-fulfilling prophecy it took eight i'm not going to apply there because i have six i want to make

sure i draw so i'm going to go somewhere else oh it took eight i have nine that means i get it i'm going to apply and so a lot of those what's on paper is what happens and also now you're going to have people that have 15 points they've been doing points only but now that they see 68 took 12 points they're going to be comfortable burning 15 points there when the year before heck no that only takes eight i'm not going to burn that many points so many times now they're going to see oh it takes that takes about what i got i'll do it yeah it the unit didn't change no it's the same unit yeah but people struggle want to come in by a razor's edge and feel like they got something feel like i i got a deal right and we tried to talk about it a lot and i understand we couldn't we couldn't go through unit by unit and say this is what every unit's going to take but um i feel for people i'm glad i

burned my points last year all three of us did and you know different units different places different seasons so it's not like it's all we had a perfect plan we just did stuff you know part of the reason for doing that last year is i knew this year was going to be harder yeah your points your unit that you drew last year probably took six or eight this year yeah you drew it like three oh i think two or three four four did you okay but i mean you wouldn't have a prayer this year no i not even touched it crazy how all this works but so anyway lots of point creeping going on out there and uh just a lot of and unfortunately after colorado hits it's the last huge state you got wyoming you got idaho um but then you got arizona and you've got it's a hard place for the mule deer enthusiast to just go burn your points in arizona quarter because you can go do it let's go hunt a 3a3c or something

along something different kai bab yeah early kai bab but still takes the biggest kicker's known to man still takes 14 points doesn't it yeah and one year the early kai bab killed numerous giants one year and and seems like everybody remembers it ah you're saying i got a chance ever since then the butt kicker of all butt kickers that's not an easy one no it's for trophy hunters it's a lot of yeah you're gonna see a lot of deer yeah if you're just a deer hunt good arizona most people equate that to giant bucks you know and they just don't have very many giant buck units in the state it's the biggest bottleneck log jam for trophy mule deer hunters about anywhere yeah yeah there's not one state that's had less applicants this year not one everybody's 10 15 20 percent out and even states like kansas way up no i like 7 000 so what they say 7 000 people that didn't get uh kansas

did you apply and and historically it's been like a 95 percent draw and i didn't draw yeah wow no what'd you apply for but uh my tell kansas i love kansas white tell i love kansas white tell i just told you jason you know where i just told you what state are we talking about i didn't know there was antelope for non-resident in kansas yeah anyway pretty funny stuff i love teasing chris southeastern kansas no kidding perfect all right well hey you get two units but i will not be going well bronson we're doing some different things next year next year when you say next year does that mean this year or you mean next year 2022 like like what well you promised we were going to do montana i i said we should i don't know if that was a commitment well i'm i'm i'm it's still on the table yes that's a long ways away september 2022 carter is a long ways away yeah it's what nine

but don't forget to get your points this summer so that we're on track all right all right i'm just saying like there's a lot of things that have been you know on our mind in the past but we keep putting them off and now they're becoming becoming more front burner because the options down here you can grab them you can get a montana tag something you can grab you can get yeah good look go get another archery elk tag somewhere else go make it happen and hunt 350 bulls and there's that potential up there go go just with a lot of phone work and go make that happen somewhere else it's very difficult so that's why we're elevating it somewhat um but anyway we'll see if that comes to fruition so what can you do bronson what can you do if you're looking to go on a hunt now and you've just got the bad news from colorado reality sets in you're going to have like the turn back options in

colorado which is going to be tough but hey it's anybody's game yeah and nevada there i'm just not planning on those nevada i'm the most intrigued about well gonna cost you your points yeah and so this ain't a freebie it's not and you're not going to be able to scout so you better know when you jump on something you better know something about it because the hunts already probably started or within days of starting yeah because they're 14 days the max so i mean it's going to be interesting we'll we'll shout out the website when we have all that that's coming in later in well it'd be end of july early early august be to 14 days prior to august 10 yeah it's the first you know real tags going up and then same thing what if somebody turns in their silver state tag that that could that could come in a little 14 days prior to august 1 or july 1 is it july 1 cheap it so that could be june

silver state yeah july 1 and so now june 16th somebody could be somebody better be laying away checking the turn back option for a silver state never know might not might not might not fit in somebody's plans this year might cause a divorce it could it could almost cause a divorce could be worse i dare you to say what i can't think of it okay yeah good answer so anyway and then so you've got some of these turn back options gonna be a lot of them i've are i've talked to so many people that are that have turned back a nevada tag or are going to because you still get a point you still get plus one as if you never got it you're just not going to get your money yeah but other than that outside of those it's getting tougher idaho used to always be the dear option for people to buy in the summer and fall

that's gone with the exception of some turn back tags there yeah they're gonna have you got a general you can turn it back and once a month starting twice a month in september yeah they're gonna start giving those out but really you start what do you really have colorado elk carla let's really talk about that i mean dude there's archery numerous big bulls taken yeah okay not now percentage wise compared to how many tags they sell it's very low but there are some big bulls being taken in colorado and some guys are deer hunting betting a bull going back to town grabbing a tag coming up and smashing it and how about that you threw it out what maybe you grab an elk tag for a unit you're looking at burning your points on and i'm not saying every single unit that has good deer also has good elk so i'm just telling you that isn't always the case and it's not chump change what is it six

700 bucks to buy an elk tag for non-residents it's not cheap but um there's an option go to colorado check out a unit hey hunt a couple units you're not when you buy a second season third season or an archery tag you're not confined to a certain unit you get to hunt all those units that are open to the general season tags so bounce around a couple hunt a couple maybe go second season 18 to 161 to 6 all the way over to 62 43 yeah whatever 21 crush crush the state but gives you something to go do and maybe learn something while you're there maybe you like the looks of the country and you're more galvanized than ever to go back when you burn your deer points but i'm just giving you some options we don't practice what we preach there a whole lot i've i've done it a handful of times in my life you know it's been a long time frankly since i have what an over-the-counter elk tag yeah

yeah i'm not rattle but but i'm just telling you hey we're talking about it it's just you know an option it is an option it better and it's a viable option it's a pretty big big option and and bronson for in all reality rarely do we go on these deer hunts and not see a bull you could kill well yeah you know without trying and if you don't want to spend 700 bucks take your kid what is it 100 101 dollars or something like that for a kid youth tag we spit out a lot of numbers from the off the cuff and people are going to crush us what's 101 i mean whatever it's a it's a benji plus i'm just saying push some anybody out there if we if we misstep or miss say something just realize this is just we have no no i'm talking round numbers come on 100 bucks take your kid but it's true what have you lost well nothing doesn't even take your points you can do it for a three-day

weekend for your kid it's worth it yeah i mean just and your wife's thinking you're a hero after spending time with your son or daughter out in the hills and if you time it right out and deer units and if you time it right you might miss get to miss halloween yeah that's true second season good point that used to be a pretty immovable holiday in my family when my kids were little my wife's like you will be home for halloween i'm like halloween this is not one of the big ones for halloween this is not a big one but when i am i enjoy how i like walking around the neighborhood oh yeah but it's it's a bad time family it's a bad time to be have to be home yeah but when the wife's prepared and they've got the kids decked out and they want to fourteen thousand dollars worth of candy bars waiting to hand out to other little munchkins and

it's good and i love seeing my kids they're happy when they do it but man a couple times it was this source of contention well i mean that's just called buried life chris you'll find out all right so anyway plus or minus two weeks plus or minus a week for two either way that chris that's as vague as we're going to be right all right all right so uh more positive things to talk about here let's see we do have some over-the-counter archery opportunities in arizona and you know we've watched some of those opportunities they're starting to dissipate and you can still hunt a lot of the units just maybe not the seasons you got last year or whatever you may be in august only maybe a december season not january whatever made some changes to that definitely need to pay attention to the regulations uh before you just make your plans for this year because arizona otc deer had

a lot of changes some were unaffected some changed dramatically some went all the way to limited entry you know a few i shouldn't say some yeah 27 or whatever but what i think's interesting about some of this stuff you know is we've seen with our own eyes some big deer let's for example we well i don't i guess i'm in a crisp mode here let's see uh a sheep unit in the 40s and we were down there and saw like a mid 90s buck did we ever hunt it no yeah never ever and the archery season's on the over-the-counter archery's on it's always a hard time for us and we've said this is an excuse but it really is january even december's and january's hard for us it's back in the office time we've got what are you what did you just apply for for a december hunt what did you just apply for early december fourth to the eighth there's something along those lines i can't remember exactly

white tail seems like i'm going to try to kill my kill a white tail yeah yeah bronson's going to iowa everybody you heard it here first that's right actually i don't even know if you want that advertised we can cut that if you want i don't care okay everybody just got a friend that invited me to come and it's time to go do it time to go do something different it'll be fun i think if i stay warm enough do you know when the last bout of blue tongue hit the area don't know any of those things no well you're gonna find out boss you know when the season is and i know a scoped muzzleloader is legal weapon that's about what i know it's pretty fun i'm excited for you actually but it is true we're busy that time of year and and you're doing a hunt and that's about it yep so wow what else are we going to talk about well let me give

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things to come down and we'll be all in but it's just that whole the whole yeah it's just like the whole premise of getting a good deal takes nine points i got nine if i could squeak in i'd do it and then when it takes 11 you're like ah geez i can't imagine applying for something with seven same thing on this though never goes down that's right right that's right i want to give another shout out to moa rifles another uh sponsor if you're looking for to upgrade your rifle uh game uh give bob and the guys at moa rifles a call uh half moa guaranteed rifles they've got several different models to choose from for private consultation give them a call at 541-526-1820 or visit them on the web at moa rifles.com they make great rifles as well as some accessories through the rugged ridge outdoor gear accessories and uh little tack drivers so i got a question for you so i just don't

understand why so you named your moa rifle sheila right little sheila right yeah why not jerry why not why not bob how did any of you guys ever name a good truck or a vehicle does it have a male name or a female yeah that's right i know i don't know why it is oh betsy i know every time i did have i know it's every time i don't know what it is it's not just you it's everybody me too i know but i had a hunter one time he's like called his gun meat in the pot meat in the skillet no his meat in the pot another guy called his meat in the skillet did he i'm like i'm like he's when old meat in the pot speaks there's meat in the pot i don't know about that i just watched you miss 14 times i don't know i don't need a little one of those terms kind of like a truck oh betsy but little sheila spoke this last weekend tell me a little bit about she barked in and amongst some

hound dogs that's right um pretty awesome yeah my boy drew a utah spring limited entry bear tag yes they are a draw here in utah but anyway he drew it got lucky and drew it and in and around school baseball season all that we hadn't been out much been out four or five days earlier in the hunt you know on short two-day trips but anyway school kind of finished and we had five or six days left in of season went out our first day back out i guess last week got a great track hot smoking hot track we were some buddies of ours hunter meek and meek and outfitters meek and hounds wade holliman we both um given away lion hunts with them in the past but anyway great guys local guys here we know them well great dogs anyway we uh caught up to this bear and yeah smash these old bears that just wouldn't tree so had to jump down in the canyon with it and wade and tj got tied lined up on the

gun um you know you can't just rush into a dog a bear and a pack of dogs they wind you or see you're coming they'll get a second wind they're taking off you know especially an old bear so anyway they got down in there got laid down on a rock and uh you know i think it's about 280 yard shot bear coming up and across the other side of the canyon dogs kind of front and back and he smoked at one shot right behind the shoulder it was awesome and done yeah bear was done a couple steps six five prc and two steps and just freaking you were half nervous about the caliber a little bit but it was turned him inside a nice little caliber for packing all the time and i don't know if you have to maneuver on the ground you don't want some big big thing anyway but it was awesome great that was an moa gun six five prc and it was an awesome bear yep it was a great time great experience great

thing to do in the spring he's pretty jacked and got kind of the adrenaline rush of being up there a little bit close to see if the dogs work and make it happen so anyway so pretty awesome all right how about we call jefe or somebody like yeah should we call jeff been a little while speaking bear hunting i think he's hunting bears or trying to always like he's always positive that's why i like a lot big loud booming fun conversation with old jeff let's give him a holler what oh no are you are you bear are you bear hunting or installing bodays what are you doing today uh bodays i don't know what they're called we've had this discussion you know why people go with those right we no i don't no i really don't do you want do you really want me to i mean yes i got a feeling with both of you on there this is definitely on there they are okay so they are a violation in my opinion

i'm thinking about loading my house with them no everybody that has them so you have to have them adam think about this no i can't say you were you know cleaning up whatever you want to call it and you got some on your hand okay that doesn't happen i walked to my freaking sink and washed my hands it's like two 18 inches away from you same theory it's like 18 inches same theory you you played into his hand yes you validated what he's talking about but i don't have to put but you use so i don't have to put 80 psi in a fine stream in a sharp gentle area i just put one in for a good buddy of mine and he was super questioning it but see we put in the cadillac of uh of toilet seats here it's it's a heated seat so you sit down and it's heated i'm never there long enough to need it heated i mean it's the coolest people say they'll drive across town just to

use that particular pot every you walk into the bathroom and this thing actually the lid opens on its own and a light turns on so you don't even have to turn the light on in the middle of the night does it say you open the door and it say welcome jeffrey if it's if it's not personalized i'm nervous what's angry you two up to today well we were wondering about like well we're just wondering what you were doing hey you're baiting bears or yeah installing stuff oh my gosh you know i think i actually am on record on the podcast saying this whole bear baiting thing is overrated and it takes too much work you've done that before three or four years ago didn't you do this under yourself now you got a couple boys who's got and you know your boys it's just like your it's case yeah my boy case and does it's just like you

know how like women go through childbirth and everything and i think in the middle of it they're like they're like i'll never do this again and then six months later they're like oh that wasn't too bad i think it's the same theory with this whole bear baiting thing you're like i am not doing this again this is i've ruined my pack because of all the greasy crap that i'm packing in at half a mile and you think you're not gonna and then you do it i don't know it's bad so you're back plus now you're living in back in northern utah and you're trying to bait in central utah so it's not as easy as it was when we lived locally it's not quite as easy three to four hour drive yeah it takes us about three three hours 30 minutes to get to the to the bait site well to the part of place where we park our truck and then we got a little bit of a ride what do you are using a

certain uh bear crack or what are you doing you know so i tried doing the whole pick up the pastries leftover stuff and it's just not worth it to me it's so much easier just go you know buy pay full price you know buy yeah buy a 20 bag of dog food and go take it out because it is work it's more work to go around and pick up all that garbage and you know your time's just worth something right kind of like diesel weren't people using like you know like grease from mcdonald's and they got to wait and go gather it and make it diesel and let it settle sift and if i ever learned anything from jason carter it was time is of the essence get that crap get it out get it on here like don't waste your time right don't learn anything from me jeff don't learn anything from me no so you got your bait set or where are we at yeah we're set we've we got them out uh last week

we went and checked them um on sunday and so far no hits it's still empty but yeah i i don't know i mean it was only 72 hours to the hour did you use the fusion the cellular cam so you know it hasn't been here you know i've got a fusion on them but the the service isn't great right there and i just don't think it's quite good enough like it's not loading you on a regular basis i just don't think it can connect the way it needs to connect so which is disappointing which i'm like i should have went and picked specific spots that i could use the fusion on right just because of it you know what i mean but there's not great service all over through there so it's tough so really though what's the discussion today what are we working on well we were talking about colorado too and point creep and the weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth are you part of that bunch yeah dude i mean i was

point creep right out of here close to a hundred percent really um with zero points like and this year and this is the muzzleloader i you know i took the the epic wow you know the epic outdoor consultant season i took yeah then and i went for the muzzleloader and it was a epic fail i guess you could say because i did not draw i did not draw so but what i couldn't believe is my kids both drew on the third oh good so there might have been a major point jump to the second is what i'm thinking yeah well you know they probably had to tell us which if you tell us which unit we could look it up for you uh we'll take a hard pass but both of them got tags that's good a couple thirds yeah same unit yeah with two points it was great like yep are they are they excited or is dad is dad more excited than the how does this work they're pretty excited because because now the third season is squarely

out of football season so before it was like well if you went to state you know like if you went to playoffs and went deep at all oh you're you're you're screwed yep and now dude it's there's no way we're gonna make it to and so now now they're after football and they just get a miss of school probably a day or two yeah yep what's wrong with that nothing it's great yeah in a five-day season it doesn't feel like you're leaving a lot on the table you know what i mean a fourth did they get a fourth or third no oh no not a seven day season seven day season yeah well i'm looking ashley you don't have two weekends ashley didn't get drawn so she's oh yeah she's heartbroken in trouble oh yeah i will say this we are right close to a season that jumped significantly in points which which is pretty crazy like seven point jump what do you mean it's close to it i mean five point jump

five to six point jump and i'm thinking well we drew this with two and it's right across the road i think we're happy yeah so so we're pretty stoked it seems like you and your wife have been in discussion about a certain bar stool tell us tell us tell us tell us tell us the premise do we want to jump into that yeah let's jump into it she doesn't listen she doesn't listen to it yeah you're good you're clean go ahead maybe janna won't even okay so you're saying so her sister so here we are sitting at another freaking furniture store and she's got this bar stool and it's 170 bucks and i'm looking at her i'm like that is a whole for the set of for the set of four no no this is 170 bucks a piece one it is okay but it's one stool and you're looking at it and it's like that is not 170 dollars worth and then it occurs to me that man i got to get applied for everything and i think about

how much is a idaho hunting license 185 bucks significant that's about a bar stool 185 bucks and so at that point i keep my mouth shut i do not say a word about the 170 bar 170 dollar bar stool and i walk away and you actually tell her you actually say honey one bar school is going to be at a place get five of them not only are you not going to complain you're going to tell her to buy more buy five yeah do it just now you got five states oh yes smart man good move man i love the i love the real life application of what is 175 bucks that's another state i can apply for and jeff you've learned a lot like you're you know your marriage is going to be healthier for it yeah absolutely the thing is though and it's like we were joking around with the hyenas of course a little bit this is our brother-in-law's for for everybody else you know because we jeff and i are

related through we married sisters all right keep going yes and so that comes back to yes my wife keeps a spreadsheet of every dollar i spend on honey she does oh there's a spreadsheet i can go every year and say so how much did i spend this year and and then i have to make sure all the credits got reapplied you know new mexico's back on there i have to dude she's worse than the irs or your tax account this is depressing well i don't like this stock no yeah well this is not a good let's talk about boat a's or whatever one of those days we've got to talk jan into doing one of these no we don't no we don't we're happy it would be pretty entertaining no no it wouldn't because it would ruin my life too because i have to work around them you guys work on your little excel sheet i'm not oh my gosh it's healthy or not too i'm telling you i don't have her busy enough jeff if she's

accounting for every dollar you spend on tires and four-wheeler parts and no she doesn't she's not so much that but it's all the empty application application it's all that you know the once in a lifetime so man we got lucky we got lucky you should never have done that bear tag you ever thought maybe just turn it over to an app service and they can handle all your receipts and stuff and then no i seriously did epic outdoors offers that we probably even got you a little deal job in fact if we get a power to attorney attorney for you and not your wife she's not authorized to ask us about purchases that's right we won't even divulge anything to deal with your account well and then then as long as i can get a credit card you know that we can get down there that is not necessarily jeff you know what i mean prepaid debit we'll put it in our name give us the cash

you know you guys could you guys could make a kill in your other service bro it's a whole nother service yes what the undercover service wait it's like the wife evading applying wow that's something to be proud of what i'm going to career day with my boy at school what do you do that i help people do a lot of their hobbies without their wives no i save marriages it's all in how you look at it jason you remember i'm about family building there was a certain person that had to deliver cash to us for a landowner tag because they didn't want to write the check that their wife would see it right that's like many of those a year not not one yeah that's not even and hey i don't like this conversation what they do in their own family is that's not for me to ask questions no no they have agreements that we don't we're not privy to that's right all right well so

now let's uh let's keep these podcasts rolling i don't want you guys taking a summer break i know scouting is gonna get busy bronson chris came to us this morning he's like you gotta do a podcast i'm like for all intents and purposes it's a monday because monday was a holiday so it's like a monday and he's waking up app deadlines are coming at us left and right so it's it's hard but we're getting it done and it's it's a lot of mumbo jumbo but no summer breaks right no we're gonna say this on air no summer break we might well i think what we can do better at let's do better from on the road and we can we can we can play whoever's on the road on the road again and we'll just that'll be the theme of our summer podcast there you go whatever it takes keep them coming guys well it's just nice that you got some bear bait out there i didn't not so i'm sure we don't need to edit some of the

marriage counseling that you're given and then uh not what about these bodays are they no are they legit jeff they're legit and aren't they customized to dudes versus girls and all this kind of stuff yeah it will spray at different spots for you see bronson that's messed up josh josh in our office says they're a huge all this is gonna do is make you soft so if you go hunting now you're gonna cut your hunt short because i don't want to go over a log out here there's a lot of people out there that like to find a port-a-potty so i'm gonna cut my hunt half half a day short and drive all the way home so i can use my bow diddly day there's people that practice using the bathroom out in the hills because they aren't they weren't raised to doing it bronson well some people need to you haven't done that it's kind of like riding a horse when you use muscles you never thought you have

really did that happen bronson right chris chris and i did it adam laughed now adam went and did it no we went out there oh in new mexico chris and i i'm not sure what you're talking what are you talking about i hope you're talking about horses horses oh horses and no and i went and did that horseback hunt in new mexico i was oh you're sore in places you didn't know you could be sore and then you oh i was i was bear hunting yeah and it took me four or five days in the saddle before i felt like i got this and then even when you felt like i got it you were like i'm glad it's over right well yeah it was okay then yeah but it was painful on day three for your boy what day did your boy come ripping by you on a buck and brawn that was day two yeah that's when he tried to do too much with he was on a mule you get to you think the mules are yeah too autopilot and they they do have feelings

they are they are aware when you do something and you don't think that just slap oh slapping it and he was just he had his pack on his back tried to take it off while we're riding to get foods and treats out of it and then it starts slapping it and they start jumping and he has a uh you know six thousand cubic inch pack slapping the side while he's holding on to the house and he went ripping we finally just said you throw the pack and he threw the pack and the horse stopped on a dime or the mule stopped eating grass it was just dead calm well anyway jeff you ride horses you got any horse trips planned oh no it's been a while since i've been serious about the horse we're actually thinking about going on a big fishing trip this summer and taking horses but well you better do a preparatory ride or two because the two days two days in you're bow legged you're sore you've got chris is a pro

but chris sees it all the time and you bring some rookie greenhorn anyway you get two days in you just you rather walk you'd rather walk 25 miles oh yeah i've been there i mean i have seriously been there where i've just like i'm getting off the horse i'm walking this ass two miles because these guys just about wore out yeah i had to tell these guys i said hey what are you doing i said i'm walking i'm resting my legs that's what i told them i told them that i said i'm walking i'm resting my legs that's funny let's leave let's leave people with something positive that they can walk away from this podcast learning something which brand of bode is the best one out there toto they the best toto that's like the dog from the wizard of oz that doesn't you know no toto yeah toto toto's the best i think you've lost me you're gonna get one bronson and they say

they say you would drive an hour to use it versus go they say it no i'm thinking about putting one here at the office no you're not i'm with my own money i'm thinking about doing it well and you'll have you'll you'll rent it like you will be paying me to be able to use i won't no jeff we'll just sneak one into his master i think i think part of your man part of your manhood leaves when the bode walks through your front door and goes i'm telling you people love it people everybody jeff tell me it's legit like like you know and i think some people are a little embarrassed to admit it but but yeah every everybody that has one loves it all right guy well man all right very very informative all right hey do you have any marriage advice for chris oh no i'm not really that good of it just ask my wife it's probably not not the best thing i'm not the best guy to ask i kind of figured that all

right guy okay sounds good okay all right bye bye okay everybody well that's about all we got bronzo is there anything else we want to talk about no a little bit of ramble a little bit of light stuff summer's going to be a little bit full of that but overall we uh still offer a a great service here at epic outdoors keep us in mind and uh one thing carter mentioned earlier uh we got trail cameras in stock selling cameras like it's our job stealth cameras that be what we got here stealth cam.com go check them out they do have some new models out there um anyway i got some new fusions coming we haven't quite got those in stock we're told very shortly uh we'll have the brand new fusion x and the reactors anyway it'll be interesting to see uh the new models it's always awesome to have new stuff

here in stock so anyway give us a holler if you're interested in any you can also go to stealthcam.com again or gsmoutdoors.com check them out we appreciate stealth cam their partnership here at epic outdoors what a great company yep got lock boxes too so give us a call all right everybody it's time to start scouting if you don't have any tags time to start figuring out what you're gonna do if we can help you let us know here at epic outdoors 435-263-0777 call and ask for jason adam josh chris i don't know anybody devin all right john all right everybody they say draw attack you