EP 21: Hunting for a Living with Remi Warren

pick up my stuff and go figure it out it's a rugged nasty big mountain backpacking everything trips your trigger any kind of hunting try to stock in on a trophy mule deer anything to do with western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by under armor hey everybody jason carter here at the epic outdoors podcast uh just wanna it's powered by under armor just want to say thanks to under armor and all they do for the hunting community and the awesome clothing they produce and and their partnership with the epic outdoors team and all we got going as well as these podcasts today's special guest with remy warren the awesome and legendary remy how's it going good how are you doing good really good remy's one of those guys he's been in the industry i don't know how many years but many many years experienced a lot of things um guide outfitter

videographer host i mean there's nothing that remy hasn't done that i can even think of so hunted a lot of different states including alaska all across the west i don't know have you been in mexico or any uh yeah i've done a little uh coos deer hunting in mexico and uh little buffalo hunting down there as well i found a place it's got some free range buffalo but uh i haven't hunted mule deer down there yet and i'm kind of a mule deer freak you know not maybe to your extent but um that's one that's one of the things on my list is like i want to go to mexico and hunt mule deer at least once just to give it a try well you've killed some giant mule deer i mean i remember back in the day i was seeing pictures of you with big old deer and and i remember a specific montana deer i never forget you and and same thing with nevada i know you've spent a lot of time in nevada

and just done an awesome job so anyway give us a little bit of your background like how you came up through the ranks you know as a little kid and then what's brought you here to today yeah i mean pretty much got my start like a lot of hunters you know my dad took me out hunting and then i just uh i've just been one of those people that has been obsessed about it since i was born yeah um there was never enough hunting for me so anytime that i could get to go out i would whether i had got to go with someone or by myself yeah it didn't matter um i just want to be out there as long as i could um you know even through high school i think i missed the maximum number of days before they'd kick me out just to go hunting i mean one year i drew like a sheep tag and a deer tag my parents were like hey as long as you pass yeah you can go hunting as much as you'd like just go yeah and i was like

perfect it ended up working out that's what i ended up doing so you did pass yeah i did i got i did graduate um but yeah and then during college i ended up taking the fall semester off um and taking you know class during the spring and summer so i had six months to to work as a guide um and during that you know obviously you know there were seasons where it you know what was i going to do you couldn't get a regular job when you're guiding because you know it's pretty much you got to be there when that season's open so i started guiding in montana and new mexico and even did some stuff in south dakota and then that time before the guiding in that august season when i didn't have school i just went out i would just go out get a nevada archery tag and pretty much hunt for 30 days out there and just you know every day because i i wanted to learn those areas and i ended up that's kind of

where i started to really chase bigger bucks because i yeah my thing was i'll hunt one deer for three years if i have to yeah and you know i wasn't i wasn't that successful talking my language you know i mean that's that was kind of my thing is i i found a big buck that you know at the time would have been giant yeah yeah i mean it was the biggest deer i ever saw and i never ended up getting him well i mean i think i put hundreds of days in the field on that one buck you know and i ended up getting you know along the way i got some got a nice you know some nice deer killed some big yeah you know some big deer along the way but um yeah you know so that's kind of the mule deer thing i mean growing up in nevada especially it's that's what you can get a tag for and that's why archery too because in nevada it was hard yeah and it was hard it's august it's like great time to go camping

and it's hard to get tags in nevada if it wasn't archery so that's really what kind of propelled me into the archery aspect yeah and when that opens august 10th that you know a lot of times there's nothing else going on oh yeah i mean it's just like you're gonna hunt deer in nevada that's what you start off with exactly and it was perfect timing too because you could go you know then the season was august 1st to whenever but as soon as september started through the end of november i was guiding full on so i'd spend that my i knew my time to hunt was august yeah nevada archery and then anything else along the way you know it was just weekend hunting in between guiding but so after high school but like what did you do right after i just went right into guiding yep i went right into guiding

and then um you know i started uh i mean i ran into a lot of like a lot of the things i did it was just kind of pick up my stuff and go figure it out kind of so i'm that type person it's like if you want to do something my my idea was i can't give myself any other options yeah i just have to commit to it so i loaded up my truck and went to montana i didn't even have a guide job i told my parents i was like i'm gonna start guiding they're like okay who are you gonna guide for us i'll figure it out i don't know who are your clients i don't know didn't i didn't have a job and i just started going up there and i was bow hunting yeah i was just like i was i figured the elk out and i was just hunting every day and while i was out there i kept cutting these guys off or like beating these guys to the elk and

yeah it ended up being an outfitter or a guide he goes hey i want you to meet someone okay so i go and he brings me back to the outfitter now he's like hey instead of working against us you want to work for us i was like yeah sure cool whatever what do i do he's like here take these guys out perfect and uh yeah so you know it's just i just figured well if i'm out there and i'm doing it i'll figure it out so did you work for this guy full-time right then or yep i started working for that guy full-time um i mean you know for for quite a few years um and he ended up having a place in new mexico as well that he operated so i'd kind of chase the season around a little bit with them right and then um and then i i ran into some guys kind of the same deal out hunting ran to some guys that ran a magazine that's no longer around it's called real hunting magazine yeah and then uh started doing

stuff for them and doing a lot of writing and got a lot of experience and my thought was you know here i'm you know 19 20 year old guy yeah with i thought i got to build a resume yeah so i would do any i mean i would work for those guys 40 hours a week just to build a resume you know what i mean for nothing you know because it's like that's that's what you gotta do you gotta break in somehow so i figured by the time i was 23 i had a pretty good resume going of things that i'd done because i was willing to just get there and work hard and and do what it took to you know like even when i was guiding i wanted to be the best at that in that area and i think my first year guy or my first couple years guiding in that area i mean i was just dead set i mean i went that was your deal oh yeah and i i think

when i looked when we looked at the stats my client the people i guided we shot more elk and deer than all the other guides in the area combined yeah so they the other guides didn't really like you no there was one other guy that like kept up and we work together still to this day yeah to this day oh he's the guy he's the guy that i ran into that we kept cutting off wow and we still guide together you know it's been that's great so you still got 12 years or so so you guided in montana new mexico and and then that's continued to today or now i just pretty much focus on montana because i've got my own outfitting business there but okay yeah it's one of those deals we're pretty much i heard you have lots of openings no no please no i there's no you can't it's so do you guide in nevada or anything like that back in your home state no still live in nevada yeah i still live in

nevada but my my whole thing was i kind of i looked into it at first do nevada but i thought if i start guiding in nevada when am i going to hunt for myself yeah because it was that august season i would you know then i would have to then i would be full-time guiding full-time no hunting and that just so you wear you wear a lot of different hats i know you've done tv shows multiple tv shows you're guiding you're hunting for yourself you're i mean you're you're just all over the map like tell me about a few of these different you know fun ventures you've been doing yeah you know um like one of my favorite things to do is the solo hunter show yeah um because that's just that's the way i've always hunted it's me it's go out by myself and that camera just adds an element that makes it so freaking hard yeah that i've become kind of addicted to it it's like so you don't have

a videographer with you no like you're truly solo yeah truly solo but i you know i've always been into filming so i always thought you know it'd be cool to be a video guy and film people's hunts and i thought well i like that aspect but i also like to hunt so hey why don't i just do it all yeah and that i think has been like one of the coolest challenges but when i come back and look at the stuff that i've got you know it's not just about the hunting it's about cool video that i've got as well that i'll have forever forever yeah and that's what i like it's like and then the challenge of you know it's really taught me a lot about the animals because you have to be super patient you can't i mean try to stock in on a trophy meal deer yeah with a metal tripod you have to set like your entry hunting with a metal tripod and a gopros yeah and all kinds of stuff and it's like

the littlest things that i didn't wouldn't even think about before it's like i go to grab the camera tripod my wrist release taps the tripod leg and that deer's gone and like yeah i mean there's been times where i've had there's one time where i had a 200 inch buck within range but it just walked out of the camera and i let my bow down that's not me buddy yeah i'm putting the camera down i shouldn't have i was still dreading that moment but you know it was a decision that i made because i was focused if i if i went out there with the idea that i'm just going to shoot something even if it wasn't on the then i wouldn't have put the dedication into doing it right yeah the way that i saw wow and that's just that extra element of challenge and that's awesome man well tell me about your own personal show like how what where the idea came up for all that what it's about yeah the apex

predator thing i just thought i wanted to do something that you know my whole thought is as hunters there's a large group in the middle that might that doesn't hunt but is they understand where hunting came from and kind of accept it and hunting is going to be then they're going to be in our corner they're going to be in our favor because they're the decision makers the people in the middle i thought what would be a cool show an idea of that i've had to kind of attract those people but still showcase hunting and where hunting came from and that apex predator idea kind of came up from that it was like let's you know one one day i was actually out hunting and i'm follow this area this ridge where i you know go it's like i've got my route and i know that i'm going to run into the elk on this route and there was fresh snow on the ground and there was wolf tracks every way that i do

my route i mean i even like the same place that i cut across the hill there's no trail and it's like they go went the exact and i was like wow okay they know what i know we're like doing something it's really weird it's like they know hunters hunters are hunters it doesn't matter if you are you know a mountain lion or a human like yeah there's a lot of things that transpire in that primal yes hunt to survive and there's and there's certain things that work and it's like okay that works for them they they do it day in day out 365 days a year and somehow i've figured out that same exact route you know what i mean and we both know that that's a successful way to hunt that canyon right so i was like okay wonder what other things do that and in along doing that whole show i was like i learned a lot of stuff that i probably would have never even thought of yeah

you know it's like the the breath hold thing was one of the things that we did and i watched that one that was it was like wow that was a aha moment where you're like hey that's pretty crazy that we can everyone could do that so dive into that a little bit yeah so we just essentially it was you know looking at the mammalian dive reflex we're mammals so essentially we're underwater animals just like dolphins and whales and they have a reflex that allows them to hold their breath for long periods of time but they have to go back up it's like pretty much every human can hold their breath for four to five minutes yeah without any effect yeah but it's just we have our brain you can but your brain tells you you're dying oh yeah it's it's like it feels like you're dying but you can't once you get over that mental aspect you yeah you physically can't and so you've you were able to get

over that yeah it was and once you do you're like whoa that's really cool you know but uh yeah and i've always i've always done like like spearfishing um yeah i watched i watched the spearfishing episode like was that just awesome yeah that was awesome and and you know i've realized before i did that that i was spearfishing wrong the whole time like i was doing things that were super dangerous and probably would have gotten killed like well just like letting my air out as i'm swimming to the top things like that you know it's like never let your air out um but you know i could always dive pretty deep but i didn't know what i was doing i just you know just did it yeah but now it's like you know um i try to go spearfishing you know at least once a year if not more um because it's just underwater bow hunting

you know it's cool it's awesome so yeah you get i mean like like everything trips your trigger it doesn't matter if it's any kind of hunting oh yeah like people are like oh you're a bow hunter you're i'm just a hunter like it doesn't like i will if i'm in some place where it's legal and there's no weapons allowed i and i can go snare a rat i'll probably try to do it you know like i am just at my deepest core a hunter it doesn't really matter yeah what it is whether it's underwater or like but i mean yeah obviously there's certain types of hunts that i enjoy more than others yeah um but yeah it's you're like my kids they would kill and do anything yeah it's like snaring a rat that's hilarious it's like if it's out there and i can do it i'm gonna try it i remember one episode you were on stilts yeah i mean tell me about that one that was i just thought this would be funny

and kind of ridiculous but i kind of thought about it was like one day i was just like thinking about uh bow fishing i was like man i wonder if i could walk out there on stilts and go bow fishing so it's like a stork or yeah exactly just out there yeah and that was the dumbest i was like oh yeah i'm gonna strap these stilts to my legs and it didn't look like it worked very no it didn't work at all but i think that there wasn't very much fish that that year so i think i would try it again if there was you know a place where there's more fish and yeah different type of bottom but that was that was kind of a pain so you told me yesterday you were lucky in the alaska draw yeah yeah i mean most my hunting comes off like well you know i mean the draws are a huge thing absolutely i've been applying since like when i was 16 years old i saw like i was into hunting so i

thought i can either apply in all these states or get a truck and i was like i think i'll just keep borrowing a vehicle and apply for utah you know what i mean and now i've got i don't even know how many i think 17 points in utah but it's because i as a you know when i was younger i saw that okay in the future i'm definitely going to want to go hunt these places yeah so the draw stuff i mean that's obviously what you guys do it's it's like it's i've done it for a long time and it's really important to me so yeah i apply in every state um yeah you know a lot of times i'm not too like people are like oh you're you seem really lucky it's like no no i'm not actually i'm pretty unlucky i've got like lots of points a lot of places yeah it's just you know over the years it looks like i've drawn a lot

of tags because yeah put in everywhere consistently you know it's like i i actually am pretty lucky in a alaska but i've been putting in for a lot there's a lot of years i never drew anything in alaska like a span of 10 years i didn't draw anything and then all of a sudden i started drawing tags yep um you know so and i am putting in for tags that weren't as hard to draw too which makes makes it easier but yeah i drew a elk tag this year that i've hunted before which was really lucky and you were uh somewhat apprehensive yeah not the easiest it was like it's honestly one of the the pack outs the hard part such a big out yeah yeah elk in alaska yep elk in alaska and the roosevelt elk but they're like 1400 pound elk giant and they're the size of moose and you know it's like six mile right yeah and i'm

the type of person who's like if i see them i'm gonna go after them i'm gonna shoot one yeah and then i'm gonna figure it out and figuring it out meant just carrying for i think it was like 60 hours of walking time solid like just 100 pound plus packs yeah exactly just packing out me yep through the stuff that's hard to like you know that alaska stuff you can go you can look at something there's stuff that you go and you can go three miles in an hour yeah and then you could go 400 yards in two hours it's just that's you know it's like you and it it all kind of looks the same but it's just however the ground is and walking through some of that like thick alder and devil's club and all that you know nasty nasty stuff nasty yeah so it's like you're wet yeah no trails exactly i mean but um yeah it's just one of those hunts where it's just it was like the most brutal pack out i've ever had

wow and then you signed up for it again reluctantly yeah a friend of mine we put in together and i told him i was like all right if uh if we draw this tag this time we're gonna like bring someone that doesn't have a tag to help us back out like a packer yeah like a packer but you can you can hunt deer so my boys might be your hunter my boy boys might come up yeah be your packer exactly well cool um well what's your favorite hunt like what was the favorite thing i know you've hunted like buffalo and in mexico and all kinds of different things like like what's your favorite hunt you know i i can't just pick one favorite but there is certain things that i know i like um i mean i like i love calling elk i'd rather call elk for someone than actually shoot one myself so like i always would the prime weeks you know guiding i think i just like i like tricking elk

and i like to be the one that calls them in yeah you know um but i love elk hunting but i think i like the calling aspect more than the actual shooting of the elk for myself now if it's like i love bow hunting big mule deer yeah that's i mean yeah it doesn't get any better than that um and then like mount mountain hunting has to be the tops for me so whether it's doll sheep tar in new zealand um anything it's like big mountain backpacking i'm more about the place than the thing so if like i would go hunt you know like himalayan snow cocks and the rubies or something probably before i went have you done that i haven't done it yet because it's always the wrong time of year but it's like if i had to choose between that or shooting like a 170 inch white tail in kansas i'd probably choose yeah you know because it's the place that means tell me about new zealand it's rugged nasty yeah brutal

country oh yeah it's essentially it's just like alaska a lot of it you know it's like big steep mountains the fair chase part of it yeah exactly like the public land type stuff or even some of the like there's ranches there that are a giant mountain that the guy owns yeah um so any of that kind of stuff those big mountains um there's just always do that self-guided yes solo i mean i've gone in there and got multiple times kind of tar you know in the cliffs and mountains just how do you do it just fly in and then start hiking no i i hike from the bottom i always i mean oh yeah just fly to the country fly to the country jump in my vehicle drive to the trailhead and start hiking in just start yeah i mean sometimes you can drive up the canyons a little ways but um yeah you know you make it's a it's a backpacking trip and it's always an adventure because you're crossing rivers you're

going over cliffs you're up in the mountains yeah you're hunting an animal that is from the himalayas and yeah you know it's like who knows if i'll ever be able to hunt in the himalayas i would love to one day like that's that's my dream is to go you know some of that stuff in asia and those sheep and goats but until then i'll just keep going back to where i know you're gonna make it there i know you do you even call does anywhere you call anything home you're just not like nomadic yeah i mean i've always kind of i've done a lot of traveling i'm always here there um you know but i mean nevada is my home um i mean that's i probably won't ever you know i would maybe the only place i'd move to outside of nevada would be alaska because like i i spent a lot of time there and i love alaska do you oh yeah i you love the rain yep the clouds no i just love the hunting just the game yeah the game

yeah yeah so you killed doll sheep yep um doll sheep up there and i've never shot a caribou but i drew a good caribou tag this year so great i'm looking forward to that i've been on plenty of hunts where i've taken my dad and he shot caribou and yeah that and the other thing but uh i just never shot one where'd you where'd you hunt doll sheep tell me about that um i uh i've hunted in the alaska range yeah um actually the both the doll sheep that i hunted in the alaska i've shot two in the alaska range i won both those trips uh from the wild sheep foundation no way well actually one of my dad won and the guide like let me go for pretty much nothing come on and he's like as long as there's two rams together you can shoot one yeah that was i was i think uh i was 22 at the time whatever guiding and i was like okay you know it's sure enough we get into the first group as long as

i'm not your rams yeah you get two rams and i was like my dad shoots his actually my dad was lined up on one and this other one came out yeah you know i was just gonna shoot i don't care you know and uh and i ended up uh his didn't give him a shot so he's like shoot yours first i was like that's not the deal you know it's his hunt because right you know if i shot that one then the hunt yeah exactly it was like it was only if there was two together yeah the deal and uh so i shot mine and his stopped and turned and he shot his and we both got our rams right there wow how awesome is that and then uh and then i did there was uh you know they've got that raffle there yeah that's why i was like these raffles you played it's just like the draw sometimes it's cheaper and easier to win you know you play the raffles yeah i've yeah yeah i mean not not a lot like i think my thing is like

you just need one ticket do you still borrow trucks to play the raffles exactly yeah but yeah it's um so yeah it was cool i've been fortunate enough to do that oh that's great yeah awesome and so uh you know what are some of your tactics like what are your some of your favorite things to do glass i mean what what does remy do when he goes out on a hunt yeah i mean um glassing i mean is huge you know you can cover a lot of country yeah that way i think a lot of it too is you know just kind of knowing the type of topography my big thing is you know if i there's a lot of good looking country whatever you're hunting doesn't matter elk deer whatever there's a lot of country out there that just doesn't hold anything yeah and it doesn't look much different than this or that other area but there is something different about it yeah it's like why it is you know there's a place where i'm

mule they're hunting this one bend you will see big bucks every time every time they're there but they aren't over here or there yeah you know but it's like what's special about so what i like to do is i really pay attention to the the way the animals move in areas like i mean when i would when i would have all that time in hunting nevada yeah i literally would not even stalk for the first two weeks wow i would just watch them know what they do and it's like they aren't on patterns but they're doing something for a reason yeah you know and try to i like that it's like a i like to see it as like a big game where you kind of yeah you map it out and look at the big picture what's going on what are these animals doing what's the behavior of these animals i like to just watch animals like yeah it's

the naturalist in me of just observing these animals yeah and uh and even like that's the cool thing about videoing is i'll sneak in and essentially do stalks and other things where i'm videoing these animals watching them and you learn so much like body language movement like you can predict what they're going to do based on watching them so even when i'm hunting i'm focused in on areas like why are the deer right there yeah and then i go and look for other areas that are like that and see if okay so i look for similar areas a lot of times to find big deer yeah and people go like i went into a new area this year and within two days i found two giant bucks that other guys in that area had see how it's like how do you find that where was this room i'm not saying but um how big were they yeah they weren't they're not your status big you know they're big for me like good one 15s you

know no um but yeah so you know but i you know looking at a map knowing areas in other places yeah and then just look for that exact same thing on the map there and then go and look at it and when in a short amount of time i can really narrow down where these animals will be like a higher likelihood i mean they could be anywhere but there's a higher likelihood so you kind of observe the pattern yeah and i don't know there's a lot into it and it's a lot you know you spend a lot of time in the field and you can start picking out those things yeah but um that's one thing that's big for me is like figuring out why those animals are in that one spot i mean i just in montana for example there's one area where i thought i kept finding these bachelor groups of bucks in september why are they right there it's like it doesn't look any different but i've noticed after watching them for a couple

days they would always go to this one bush i was like okay well they're eating elderberries yeah and it's like that time of year the bucks like that and there weren't very many places in that unit that had elderberries and so i started looking for elderberries and i started finding more big bucks wow in september like all the bachelor and it's like who would think that you know so are you doing like a lot of backcountry like that's your gig like you like to backpack or like or truck hunts like i know you had a little easier country and some of that this year in nevada you drew a tag and and uh you know like and you're okay to do that or do you go into that unit and look for the roadless country in there and that's kind of what you yeah it just depends like i'm not i call it like there's front

country hunting and there's back country hunting and sometimes what i call the front country is just as hard to hunt like i always i generally park the truck and you know you'll be on foot all day and you'll probably walk more than you do on a backcountry yeah you know a lot of times yeah because you can just cover more ground so it depends on the unit i mean but i just like to get away a lot of the stuff i do if i park the truck i'm going in where there's no roads yeah um but not always i mean you know it just depends on the area and where the good country is too i mean there's plenty of places that i've hunted and hiked in miles and miles and miles and there's nothing back there no people no deer yeah and you get back to the truck and you're like oh that's what looks good and it's like a half a mile

from the road and you pop up there and it's a hard hike in and you got to drop in every all the animals are down low so you got to hike back out yeah that's what when you when you have to carry something back out that's generally a good area you know it's easier to find animal there because nobody wants to do it so your favorite species meal there yeah i think in north america you know i love sheep and calling elk i mean can't get enough sheep yeah that's right if you could get a sheep tag every year yeah but i mean i'll go on if if friends or whatever i mean i try to find people that have sheep tags and just help them out or go i mean i just love to go on sheep hunt so are you a trophy hunter or just just a hunter oh just a hunter but i mean yeah the reason i i wouldn't call myself a trophy hunter is like i look for big mature animals because it's more challenging i just want to spend

more time out there you know if it's some i just don't if something seems easy then i'm just going to try to make it harder for myself i don't know why it's just yeah i just like to be out there so much that if i know if i go into an area and shoot the first year that walks out then i'm done hunting so i'd rather just be like okay i'll look at that deer and go try to find a big one yeah even if there's no big ones there it's like and then maybe toward the end i'll shoot something for me you know whatever and so have you ever killed a whitetail do you ever hunt back east at all never hunted back east um i have shot whitetails in montana yeah but i mean they're like small yeah small and wyoming i've shot some okay whitetails there's my recurve there's a few good ones here yeah i mean that's what i i was actually down in texas this week and i was seeing some big white and i was

like i should do this one time just so i can say like i've done it you know like just to because i can't knock until i tried it i didn't i mean maybe i'll go back next year and try it yeah but i mean it's just i mean i like the big mountains and it doesn't really appeal to me as much as some of the other stuff but i've never hunted texas i don't know i've never just never have it just doesn't but i mean that's how a lot of people hunt so it's not yeah you know yeah i'm sure if that's all i had to hunt i would do it it wouldn't matter so your family your family hunts like you guys all hunt yeah my uh my dad hunts my other brother jason guides with me and we go on a lot of hunts together my brother ryan um he hunts here and there he's more into like his his favorite hunt would be like a doe antelope hunt you know what i mean because like all he cares about is food you

know he's like awesome yeah it's funny because like and he draws the best tags too like he drew a piw nevada desert sheep tag come on and he's like yeah i would he's like he would he just wants like are you he wants like desert ram short ribs he's like that'd be good short ribs no way but he's a great so how'd that hunt go um it went good that was a while ago that was actually one of his that was one of his first nevada tags i think that was his first big game animal yeah um and uh yeah we ended up getting a good ram like a book ram it's awesome yeah it's cool well that's great man well cool back in the early days was there anybody you looked up to or oh yeah i mean there's you know i think it was like my thing was saturday mornings watching tnn outdoors and the thing that always pissed me off is it was just white tail hunting i was like what are you know white tail

hunting and bass fishing i was like i've never caught a bass or seen a white tail you know yeah um but yeah you know i mean like guys like jim shockey even cam haynes yeah you know i'd read that backcountry bow hunting yeah i was i was big into magazines so like you know outdoor life you know field stream eastmans yeah um you know and i was like i couldn't get enough couldn't get enough yeah i did i did listen to a podcast you did with cam and of course you guys talked about a nevada hunt that you guys you oh yeah tell me about that yeah well that was that was in like my the place that i hunted a lot yeah and uh and me and my brother ended up going in there and shooting two really good bucks and i think you went out of there with no bucks but we didn't know he was there you know it's just like

that's where we always hunted and yeah i've been in there it was your backyard yeah and i've been in there for two weeks just watching deer and yeah and so and then but my brother it was my brother's first archery hunt yeah and uh so he couldn't come till later in the season because of work so yeah and we get in there and we start hiking up the trailhead and one of the deer that i liked was up there and i was like all right i'm gonna stock it right now so i stock in there shoot it and uh it runs off and gets dark so we're gonna wait till the morning to find it yeah so we're we're i go to where we shot and blood trailing it and uh he's with me and i i look over and um or he looks over and he's looking he goes i think i see your buck because he didn't really see the buck he goes he and it had you

you know the buck that i shot had an extra kicker and stuff he goes did your deer have a drop tine and i was like well on the right side and i go well it had a yeah i mean it had an extra point you know like what do you mean drop time he's like no a five inch drop time hanging down i was like no so he's like sweet so while i'm blood trailing my deer he sneaks around gets around the basin gets over the cliff shoots the bucket come on it's a 31 inch buck with a dropper come on yeah and uh he was like 190 inch buck and then uh and then you know and then we ended up so i was watching from that side watch him shoot his deer it runs down there i keep following the blood trail there's my buck you know that's awesome we both shot like two of the best bucks i'd clear back in the middle of nowhere cam's in there with you somewhere somewhere back there sneaking around geez yeah it was awesome

well what what are your plans for for this year 2017 of course you got the alaska yeah the alaska and then you know i mean hopefully get lucky and draw probably an archery tag in nevada somewhere um and then just kind of figure out where there's gaps in the schedule and just start applying yeah you know i always wait to see what happens in alaska and then kind of units and stuff that i can do for the draws that work with those season dates and my guide schedule and everything like that so um i think it'll probably be again it's like i'll probably roll my utah points over again yeah just wait just keep on i'm gonna be like yeah i'm gonna draw an archery tag with twice as many points

that's all right um one day and then uh yeah so i don't really know i mean i'll be hunting in montana you know just general area stuff and uh probably idaho some general tags i i like i like the challenge of hunting those over the counter general general there's a lot of opportunities

exactly and it's like you don't have to worry about a draw you can go when that season is and and yep i've been fortunate to i just go find places that no one else is at and maybe it's because there's not very many deer there but i'd rather hunt yeah you know five days and see two deer and zero people then hunt five days and see 400 people yeah it totally makes sense yeah and so you'll be filming all that yep probably for solo as well as apex yeah no i'm just just really focusing on the solo stuff okay yeah and then um for that and then some of the ridge reaper yeah uh serious things yeah with underarm yeah so yeah i think we'll i don't know what we're gonna do maybe one of these alaska hunts probably that caribou hunt um maybe do that for that for the underarm yeah i think that'd be cool yeah yeah yeah take my dad out again like he gets because the first hunt he had there he's

he's thinking he's like i don't even know if i want to go because the first time was so he shot a giant buck or a giant bull um it was beautiful weather it was like the first you know it's just yeah perfect and it's like you can never recreate that yeah but um you know i'll take my bow and try to get a caribou and maybe have him tag along with the rifle and maybe get my brother to go to and get a moose tag or something yeah absolutely something like that what would you say to the young kids that are coming up through the ranks that want to hunt do what you do you obviously make a living hunting uh it's not easy and uh just what would you what advice would you give them yeah i mean my thing is you know i grew up in a household it was like you got to work hard if you want something you know so there's no easy way to do it but if you if you dedicate to something you're gonna do it

yeah you know you just got to give yourself no other options and and really believe that you can do it and then get out there and don't be like you know i mean i like i always tell people when i started guiding um you know i would go out get up early scout on my days off whatever and then as soon as the hunters came in i would take them out they would shoot something in the evening i would drop them back off at camp i would go back out pack that animal till 5 a.m in the morning and pick them up and be ready to go the next day wow you know what i mean just and it's like because i knew that they had five days and i wanted to make it happen you know i worked as hard and i still do i work as hard as i can yeah because you know it's like there's there's people that do it and don't you just gotta outwork everyone else yeah you know it's work ethic yeah exactly i think you'll make it

yeah but i mean if you ask 20 people they give you 20 different answers like how do you do you know because there's no set path there's no school there's no whatever you just gotta you know but my thing is like i always thought if i owned a business i wouldn't hire people that didn't have a good resume so just whether i had to work for free for years that's cool i'll do it yeah right well right on well i wish you the best of luck i appreciate you being on with us uh you're awesome yeah good things and uh wish you the best man i appreciate it so anyway want to want to say thanks to under armor and and all the support they give epic outdoors and these podcasts and and the awesome company they are and of course making awesome gear and and uh incredible camel pattern supporting us in the ridge reaper season you know and the different hunts we do for them so

anyway appreciate them appreciate you remy and good luck buddy yeah thanks all right see you