EP 218: Preparing for the Hunt, with Special Guest: Scott Thompson

Where is good mule deer hunting right now? There's an age class, you know, that I think we're missing in a couple of these states. We're all longing for the next state to be our saving grace for the year, and we're running out of states, tax. Anything to do with Western big game.

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Bronson, we've had people tell us we should pre-record and go hunting after our work's done. What do you say? Well, part of it is we like to talk about what's happening right now and what we've just been done doing or where we're going to. If you sit down and crush a bunch in June or July, I think when you listen to them in September, October, they're going to be boring. I think so. But I guess the invited guest ones, maybe we could do those because those really don't change that much. We probably could and should, and maybe next year would. We'll see. We should invite more guests, maybe. Yeah, you could pre-record some of those. But as far as the where we're going, how's it going, where we've been hunting, those kind of evolve. And then the problem is we're just not together. And we're about to enter one of those biggest stretch right now. You're leaving this afternoon.

Yeah, or in the morning. Where are you going? I'm going to the gym state.

Somebody'd have to know where that is. Look it up. What gyms do they have up there? I don't know. They have a lot of lava rock. Is that called the gym? No. No. Idaho. You're going to ruin a truck or two. Yeah, I guarantee I'll have some tires or I'll have ball joints or CV boots, something. I'll have a bill when I come home from those. No question. Guarantee. No question. Side wall, something's blown on a truck or a side-by-side. But anyway, going up there to take my luck. I'm hunting deer. Actually, my son drew an elk tag up there and put his hunt off a little bit. It's open the month of October just so that lined up when I was going to be up hunting my deer. So he's coming up this next weekend and we'll be combo hunting, I guess. Him for elk, me for deer. Well, hopefully he's looking for deer for you while looking for an elk. Yeah. Yeah.

Elk, you should be able to see a blonde bull in sagebrush, right? Oh, yeah. 1,000, 2,000. School bus. It's the mule deer that are tough. On the way to the winter range. Yeah, mule deer are tough. Jeez, talk about tough mule deer. Where is good mule deer hunting right now? Oh, it's been rough. It seemed like this fall. You know, the big states that have had a lot of their seasons already, like Nevada. Wyoming. Yeah, Wyoming. Utah. You know, even though the rifle hunt for Utah has not started. It's been rough. It's been rough. The early rifle, but I haven't seen anything. No. Spectacular. And there was good conditions. Yeah. Yeah. Jeez. It's just proven what we thought was going to happen. It's just sad to go through it. And what's funny is, I mean, we knew it was going to be tough. The dry years. And we still chose to hunt and get our buck there. Yeah, but what are you going to do?

You're not going to not hunt. Hunt elk. John elk. Yeah, elk was good. Yeah, John, that was incredible. But talk about deer. I was up there 50 days and saw three bucks. Lots of does, but three bucks. Two small, two points in one. Dink, dink. It seems like, Bronson, you might remember from your biology days, their buck-to-doe ratio up there on that unit was rough. It always was a little rough. Yeah. On the rough edge compared to other surrounding general units. Didn't seem like a deer factory. No. But there's a couple big deer. I think it would be better after the burn up there, you know. But then we've had the burn and some of the driest summers in 50-plus years back-to-back. Yeah. So it's hard to just say, hey, let it burn and let everything grow like crazy. Anyway, so we're getting ready to kick it off.

Well, yeah, there's people out, like, looking to possibly, you know, take advantage of this late-season rifle hunts in Nevada and wondering if they should turn their tag back. Okay, how many people have we talked to that got 241 to 245? On a turn back as they were watching the computer screen and clicked. It feels like 12 to 15 people we've heard from that have bought those. And I feel bad for every one of them. I do. I feel bad for every one of them. Hey, we've had good friends. Grab them. Yeah. And no matter what you say, hey, these are some good areas. It's a drought year. It's terrible. It's tough. It's terrible. It's not. They don't understand it until they go out there.

It's bad. Yeah. Right? It is. And there's a lot of tags coming up as we speak. The late hunts are, you know, opening up here this week. And so we're within that 14-day window, of course. People are still turning tags in day by day. And, yeah, be careful what you have. Fortunately, I guess we've all got Colorado hunts that we have lined up with ourselves or kids. All of us in here will be going over their second, third. And in some people's cases, second, third, and fourth season, Jason. Well, okay, so my kids, yeah. That's right. My kids, I've aligned it to where we're spending Thanksgiving in Colorado as a family. And some kids have deer tags. Some kids have elk tags. But everybody's got a tag but mom and dad.

Mom's going to be gutting left and right. I'm going to be holding hooves. How many packs of game bags are you going to pack over there? You're going to need a lot. Oh, no, I haven't decided. Coolers. Lots of coolers. You need a lot of game bags. Anyway, it's pretty awesome. All the kids are looking forward to it. In fact, speaking of which, Bronson and John, you all have kids. Chris, have you ever tried to, like, sight in 14 kids' rifles in an afternoon? No. Okay. Well, but aren't they all identical? Didn't you set them up to be cookie cutter? Like, four guns, identical scope, identical gun. Out of the box with some custom features. Yeah. Remington 700, 300 Ultra Mags. And throw the same Zeiss V4. Yeah, remember? I bought them. I took them off our shelf. Yeah. We got what we call the kids. They're turrets, but they're simple. Yeah. One crosshair. Yeah, you don't have the whole tree.

No lines and MOA clicks. Yeah. So Ashley gets up Sunday morning. Dad, we need to reload. And she's the one kid. She's the one of all my kids that I would trust to reload. She's the youngest. And she would get it within a plus or minus a few grains instead of- She can bake bread. I mean, anybody that can bake bread can reload. And I'm like, you know, fine. So we start reloading. I prep the brass and all this. And I'm using brass from 1963, it feels like. Speaking of which, it's expensive now. I'll tell you how expensive here shortly. So anyway, she helps me. Then we go to church. We come back. We finish. And then the kids think they all need to be sighted in. Yeah, because you got live ammo now with a gun that's not been fired. Okay. So get three guns plus your own, right? And then the chronograph ready. And the 14,000 things you need.

A bench, a seat, a staple, some paper, a target, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great big target because it's a two-footer square or three with plywood on, like, a stand. Yeah. That breaks down. Because, you know, I don't want to sight in at 25, then at 100, then at 200. When you have a 200, zero. I just want to put it out at 200 and hit this plywood. Well, Justin's hit the plywood. Ash's didn't.

14 rounds later, we hit the plywood. And I'm just saying, by the time you get everybody's stuff chronographed and dialed in, it's way past dark. 14 bucks per shot. So Ash is, so we're sitting there reloading. And she goes, gosh, you know, if we had to buy these, I wonder what it would cost, you know. And I said, well, Ash, that's probably $4 to $5 a round, you know. Probably $4, $4, $5 a round. She's like, no way. I'm like, yeah. So I'm out of brass, right? I mean, we went through some things and these brass. I've got them in a bin that says, fired a lot. So I know. Lost count. I'm waiting for crack cases or who knows, you know. So I'm told Bronson. I came in the office. I'm like, buy a brass today. Guess what brass costs? 300 rum? Yeah, 300 rum. Any brass. You can't find Remington brass. But Nosler custom type or even just Nosler brass. $3.20 a piece. Wow. Brass unprimed cases.

So 200 rounds later.

Hey, you got 14 kids that all shoot 300s. What are you going to do? You need some brass. And it's a COVID environment. It's a woke environment. It's going to charge you for some components. John, what were you paying? Yeah, well, I thought, oh, in the spring I better, you know, get it now. And I was just like, this is too much. This is so expensive. And it was at least a buck a piece for each component. I'm talking primers. Bullet, primer, case, powder, whatever. That's five bucks or so. Shot. Yeah. So I went and looked at live ammo. I told Adam, you can't even get it. But I looked at it and it's roughly, if you can get it, it's about 125 bucks a box. What if it doesn't shoot very well? I remember how we used to do it. You'd buy a box. Oh, that was. I don't know. I remember it specifically. Federal premium bear claws. They didn't shoot quite right. Let me try another box.

You know what I mean? Those days are gone. 20 to 35 bucks a box. Anyway. Whatever. So that's. That's what we're saying is a lot of stuff. A lot of tags are in front of us. We're going. We're spreading out here very soon. Boston, Colorado, a little bit in Utah, Idaho. Where else? Nevada. Yeah. Archibald still has a Nevada tag. Jason, I think you might still have one. Well, I do. And I'm going to eat that one. How many tags have I eaten, Bronson?

I can only crap papers a lot. I'm just telling you. Pretty soon you've got enough fiber in your diet. I'm fiber rich. I've got a full clean out. So I don't know. And I think, too, once my kids were asking me about dialing and MOA and reticles. Sean shoots reticles and whatnot. And I think not every kid, and we all have them, is going to have a range finder that is capable of being a smart range finder, Bluetooth capable. Oh, that's right. To their specific load. And we're finally. I ran into that now. So I've got an older SIG that is just an angle compensated range finder. Okay. It reverted to my golf range finder because I didn't, you know, that's just, I have the 2,400 ABS. So, well, now that he's coming up there and he's old enough to pack a gun and split up. And you want him to have a rifle. And I want him to split up. And I want him to text me when he finds a 200-inch deer. Like now.

I want him to have a rifle that he can kill the elk. But he's got, he can't have one in mind. In this COVID environment, I can't get another one right now. Even if you wanted one. Yeah. So, and so he's going to use just a yardage scope. It's awesome. It's an elk gun. It's a 300 rum as well. So I think. I want to use that gun anyway. It's a great elk gun. And so he's all about it. He's a little bit bigger now. So. So they make programs. You can go on and get the drop. And either your lines come in. Like if I'm roughly average at 5,500 feet or 8,500 feet. And my temperature. Like we did in the old days. And like. Yeah. It works. It still works. Use a bullet drop calculator. It still works. And tape it to the gun if you need to. That's what I'm going to do with my kids. You know. You come up with the calculation. This feet per second. This particular bullet. This ballistic coefficient.

And these environmental variables. On average. You're going to dial here. And you know. Honestly. You could have. The extreme environmental variables. Very. It seems like. Roughly six inches. Max at a thousand yards. It's not like. They're shooting a thousand yards. No. That's right. We're going to be able to dial. Or use the reticles. And be accurate. And ethical. At five. Six hundred yards. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah. And that way. Just a regular. Range finder will work. And. We all have a few of those. Laying around from. Like a days even. Like a. Twelve hundred. Sixteen hundred. Remember those. As well as what you're talking about. Bronson. But anyway. You know. So there's things out there. By the way. We have. Some of these in stock. Right. Yeah. Yeah we do. I think we have. Thirty five hundred dot com. Lycas. We've ordered. Twenty eight hundred dot coms.

And thirty two hundred dot coms. We'll be getting those shortly. You know. Ranges are. Should be shipped here again. Another big shipment of those. But it's. Obviously. It's during the middle of the hunts. But I guess. While we're on that topic. Whether you're needing range finders. Which seem to be probably. As big a bottleneck. Or supply chain issue. As range finders. Anything. In optics. And then rifle scopes. Probably being. Second toughest. It must. You know. You got some electrical components. Or whatever. In range finders. I think assembly is different. Than just. Spotting scopes. Or binos. But anyway. So. If you've been looking. You've probably found out. It's tough. It's. We're doing the best that we can. We're super aggressive on orders. But. We're a little bit at the mercy of it. But if you need. Range finders. Let us know. And we'll do the best we can. To let you know.

We have that day. Because it. Changes every day. It'll vary between Monday and Thursday. We got several boxes in today. Yeah. It'll vary. Within three days. Because we got guys on a waiting list. We call them. Then we get guys calling our office. You know. From. Within a. Two hour. Three hour drive. Of where we're at. Finding. Asking if we have something. And they jump right in their car. And drive here. Because they've looked all over. And they live somewhere. And they don't have it. And you know. So. We'll do the best we can. And if it's. You know. Tripod mounted binos. Whether it be Vortex. 18 power. Swarovski 15s. Zeiss 15s. We got those in stock. Tripods. Anyway. Tens. Spot and scopes. We have a load. By the way. We have one less 85. Yeah. I took it. I pulled it off the shelf. That's. Hey. There's some perks around here. Now I didn't just steal it. I had to buy it. But.

I didn't have to pay shipping. Carter's just one of those guys. That wants one of everything. Dude. I got one of everything. So I took it into Jana. Because she logs stuff in and out. My wife. And she's like. Really? This is for you? And I go. Now I got them all. One of each.

Well. And you just look at her and say. Hey. This gives me multiple scopes. When we hunt as a family. That's right. I can't have you all begging. Those things are coming in. I can't have you beg. To look through my scope. I mean. That's right. I've got to help the family. It'd be authentic. I don't want to throw her under the bus. But she. We have been hunting on her tag. And. I sold all our binos. Do you remember that? I sold. I sold the 10. The 10 by 50s. That are awesome. Never been. What is she using? And I sold her 15s. And so. Well. She's got my stuff. I had a pair of 10 by 50s. And a pair of 15s. And so anyway. She gets her backpack. And then she realizes. Her optics are gone. And. You know Jana. It's like. You know. And she's like. What am I going to use for optics?

I got you covered. I already have a plan. What did you give her? Same stuff I sold. But they. They used versions. Mine.

Okay. So anyway. I agree with you. You need one. You need one of everything. Honestly. Sometimes that 85 is just a little more compact. And. User friendly. So to speak. In a backpack. And. In your. Yeah. And. Yeah. And I'll use the BTX on a 65. But this is not enough light. 95 is what you keep with that. 95 generally. But. I want to be able to use it on an 85. Even though it'll be. Five less power. Down to 30 power. Yeah. I don't know. There's some. Practical uses there. That's why I did it. And I was a sucker today. So. But. We still have. Some on the shelf. So if anybody's looking for an 85. Why. Don't worry. I didn't take the last one. Anyway. Some pretty awesome stuff. John. I don't know if you want to bring up. Oh. I just want to do. The online version. Yeah. Of member optics. So. We're in kind of the beta testing portion of it. But it does work. The store functions.

If you're a member. You can get on. And you can look up member pricing. On there. If you're not a member. You'll see regular price. Which is regular price. Is very competitive. Competitive with everybody else out there. Yes. Yes. But member price is. Hundreds. And you got to go. Tell them how they. To see that. You go log into your account. Yeah. Log into your account. Just like you do if you're going to see the e-mag. Or anything else. Eventually that'll be. You know. Our main store. But right now. It's in. You know. We're just. You know. In the testing mode. And everything. Although. Like I said. It does function. It works. It just might not be as pretty. As it's going to be. But we need to make sure. It's very well tested. Because we don't want to sell. El ranges. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. All that's. All that's. Very well tested. Okay. Okay. But yeah. You know. It might look.

Bells and whistles might look a little bit nicer. Or whatnot. Yeah. When it's done. But. Yeah. Totally works. You go. You log into your account. You just go to epicoutdoors.com. Up in the top. Right hand corner. You hit log in. And. If you're a member. You put in your email. And password. If you don't know your password. You can say. Forgot my password. And get it. And. And then it's the first thing. On the home page. Just says. Optics store. So. Click it. Click it. And. You can see pricing there. The one benefit about that too. Is. Is. If it's a. Friday night. I don't know. Saturday weekend. You don't want to. Forget about calling us Monday. First thing. Or have to wait. You could place the order there. And it will be waiting for us. We'll get an email immediately. We'll get it processed. First thing Monday morning. But. Things like that. Sometimes. If you're like me. In the real world.

When I need to. I get off work. I go home. If I have stuff. I go. I order my stuff a lot at night. And. Just because. When I have time. To break down and do it. We're in America. We want immediate. Like I want to. When I'm ready to buy. I want to buy now. Yeah. When I'm hot to trot. I want to. Buy now. Yeah. $140 next day shipping. Click that. You have a bad night's sleep. And then wake up the next morning. I don't. I don't mind that. Well. Yeah. I mean. You might. You wake up in a different mood. Every day. But I've never been. Or you forget. I mean. Very rare do you have buyers or mollars. No. Right. No. But you. You feel. More.

I like to check. I like to check the box. It's done. Yeah. It's off my list. That's right. That's kind of what I'm saying. If you're on an evening. Or a weekend. Or something like that. Get it done. He'll shoot us an email. If there's anything we need to contact you on. We'll call you Monday. And people at Price Shop. People at Price Shop. So it gives you an opportunity to Price Shop without calling in and not ordering it. Asking about a price and not having to order it. Anybody that feels intimidated so to speak. Which I don't know why they would. We're friendly dudes. But. You know. You can go online. Check out a price. Check out the member price. There's something on there that you can't see. Why give us a holler. We do custom orders. All the time. I did want to mention the NL Pures. We've got a bunch in stock. The 12s are really hard to get. Those are on back order. But.

On my elk hunt. They're amazing. And. I have the 12s. I wish. I had 8s. You sound like Jason. Dude. I mean. I don't know what to tell you. Jana was using them. She goes. They're unbelievable. They are unbelievable. Yeah. Well. Remember when Colby. We had him on the podcast. It's our rep for Swaro. And he's like. They're made for the human eye. Whatever it is. I don't know the technical terms. Yeah. Well. Here's the thing that I guess I'll point out. When we've done all of our testing. Side by side testing. With 15 by 56 SLCs. And 12 by 42 NL Pures. None of us feel like. You're giving up three power magnification. When you. When you do that. Not one person I've ever had do that. Feels like. Yeah. They're super crisp. But it definitely. They're not as zoomed in. I definitely need that extra three power. It feels. Because of the crispness and clarity. It feels like. Just an equal.

But better. Because it's clear. And I think as you go down to the 10 and 8. I think that same principle. Comes into fact. The 8s maybe feel more like. Crisp awesome 10s in your. In your eyes. Or something like that. And you can hand hold them like crazy. Yeah. Because they're super steady. The 12s are. Super steady. Are slightly jittery. 15s are way jittery. If you ever try to do that. You can get by in pinches here and there. Yeah. But. I don't like it. I don't either. 12s. There are certain times I don't. Either. 10s or. 10s and 8s. You can hand hold them. Absolutely. So. We've got those in stock. 10s and 8s. The 12s have still been the. The biggest. We're getting them. Yeah. We're getting them. They're trickling in every week. And we're mowing down the list. And if you're. Found yourself. The hunts are over. And want to make sure that you get some. You know. By spring or summer.

Just call us and get added to that list. We. We. We mow through guys every week. And we are aggressive. I want to say we're aggressive in ordering. So. I just know. To look at our back order list. It's pretty impressive. So. When they finally break through. We're going to have. We're going to be having. Stacks. Yeah. Stacks. Which is great. Yeah. I mean. They're. They're super optics. The 12. They've been a big log jam. It's been a big new release. Very popular. But if you. If you don't feel like you use a tripod mount or binoculars much. And the 12s maybe aren't. You know. As all around for you. The 10s and 8s are readily available. And they're. They're amazing. They really are. And they do have a lot of specific benefits. If you have the luxury. Of having multiple pairs. If you hunt archery elk. For instance. In very thick timbered country. 8s would be made for that.

Or if you're white toe hunter back east. Just. That's all you're ever going to need. So anyway. Keep that in mind. I think it's awesome. I totally agree with what you're saying. We do have. Again. Just as a summary. We have a lot of optics. On our shelf. And we also have a lot of optics on back order. We order. We actually had a. Couple of binos come in today. On a special order. Kind of a. Odd. An odd request. From an outfitter. And we got them in. And sent them out today. So we do that. We do that as well. If you have something odd. Different. That maybe we don't sell very many pairs a year on. That we don't always keep them on the shelf. Call us. We can order something in. And give you an idea. Of a backlog. ETA at least. That's right. So anyway. We did have. I wanted to give this. Scotty Thompson a call. Thompson long range. Speaking of radicals. And different things.

We've both been to their course. And what not. Super good guys. Very knowledgeable. He freaking says on Instagram. And he shows a video clip. That he dumps three dogs. All three together. At 615 yards. When he was supposed to be hunting mule deer. Or he's a mule deer freak. But I just want to see. Maybe he'll answer the phone. And we'll give him a little grief.

Mr. Carter. Them dogs didn't look 615.

No? That's because I shoot a 33-78. What are you doing? Watching the vapor truck? Hey. You're on the Epic Outdoors podcast. Okay. We just had to call. And get a little update on. Yeah. Tell us a little more. Supposed to be deer hunting. And you're predator hunting. You know. The best thing about this whole thing. Is. I'm riding my horse in there. The day before. And I told my dad. I says. You know. I ride up this closed road. I get all the way through the top. I've cut. Two lion tracks. And then. A whole ton of coyote tracks. And then. My buddy Hobbs. Is sending me pictures. From the other side of the drainage. With bear tracks. I'm thinking. I don't know how deer. Is even going to live in this place. And then you guys. Have long range rifles. Yeah. They're not going to live. They're not going to live. So we got up there. And I mean. I don't know how many people.

Give up a perfect morning. Of mule deer hunting. To shoot some coyotes. But. I guess I'm one. Yeah. If you're. If you're not feeling the vibe. After cutting fresh snow. For however. How long you rode. Yeah. Time to light up some coyotes. I guess. Yeah. So 3378. That's a big pill. For a coyote. It is. You had to choke. Choke on that. 180 grain Acubon. I assume. That's what you're using. That is correct. Big pill to choke on. Right there. So. Tell us about. It's pretty awesome footage. And. Anyway. Just. Basically. One shot per dog. One shot per dog. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I think that. The first one. You know. I watched her come in there. That was the big female. I think she had a couple pups there. Yeah. Coyote to coyote. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. So tell us. How the deer hunting's going. It seems a little bit rough. On some of the tags that we've had.

Just wondering how you guys are doing. Yeah. It's. It's rough. I think it's getting better. To be honest with you. Better. Meaning throughout the year. Like. The next. This next month. Or you think it's getting better in general. Better in general. I just. There's an age class. You know. That I think we're missing. In a couple of these states. Yeah. And I'm seeing a lot of these younger bucks. Coming. Coming. So I think it might get better. If old man. Mineral. If old man. Wineral. Hold off. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking states like Idaho. Or Wyoming. Correct. Yeah. They're fairly prone to that. Winter loss. You know. On the other hand. We're talking about. Southern Utah. Southern Nevada. It's just drought stricken. I don't know. Fonds haven't. We haven't had fawns to speak up. For a few. Two. Three years. And. Terrible dry conditions. But anyway. We're all longing for the next state.

To be our. Our. Saving grace for the year. And we're running out of states. We keep eating tags. And now we're down to the last 30 days. Yeah. Yeah. Just wondering how you're feeling. And. What's on the docket. What you got coming up. So. I'll finish out Idaho. This week. And then a little bit in Utah. Just my general stuff. And then down to Colorado. Right on. That sounds a lot like us. A lot of us doing the same thing. Tell us. So. Thompson Long Range. You and your dad own the business. Just want to. You know. Talk about some of the new things. I saw you in the field. And you. You mentioned. A little bit on the lightweight side of. You know. Rifles and whatnot. Just tell us. A little bit about your business. And give a. Brief overview on how things are going. I know you guys can't keep rifles in stock. There's so much demand. No. You're right. Flying off the pallet. Let alone the shelf.

Yep. If we could. If we had ammo for every gun we sold. We'd be. We'd be doing real good. But. Aside from that. Um. I mean. We have a very good relationship with Weatherby. And. You know. I spent some time with Adam. This fall. And he brought out the new carbon. 2.0 backcountry. Okay. And forever we've said. You know. What. What we wouldn't give to just lighten up the 33. 78 a little bit. Right. Because that caliber to us. I mean. That's. That's the king caliber. It's just. Built to do what we like to do. Fast. Flat. You know. Six. Seven hundred yard. No problems. Shots. So. In my opinion. Adam has built the ultimate rifle. I do not like. Too light. Because. I lose stability. Yeah. And obviously nobody likes. Deadly heavy. Feeling like a rock. When you're laid. Laid out on it. There's something about that. 33. 78. No question. Yep. So. Yeah. With this new 2.0. And then. Um.

We've got the new VX5 HD scope. From Leupold. With our same reticle. So. We haven't changed anything. We've just updated the body. Um. That's a little heavier scope. So. Putting that on the AccuMark. We were just getting. We were getting. Heavier than we wanted to be. So. The timing of this 2.0. Is. Is perfect. And that's. That's probably what's. You know. Come in the future. Is that combo. That's awesome. And then. You were doing. Other calibers. What calibers are you. Are you working in? Yeah. So. We do have a. Thompson Signature Series. For Weatherby. That's your standard AccuMark. Um. Right now. We're doing the 65300. And the 257. Just because of. Availability of ammunition. Um. We also. I mean. We'll do any Weatherby Magnum. But. Ammo. Obviously. Is the trouble right now. What's on the 65300. I was hearing. When they first came out. With that. That it was like. Burning barrels. But.

Or. Or maybe. People nervous about that. Uh. Talk about that. Or dispel that. You know. Every form. I think you get on. And say. High velocity. Or. Overboard. Magnum. You're going to say. It burns out. But that video. That you just commented on. With those three coyotes. That is a 13 year old. 3378. And I guarantee you. Has 3000 plus rounds throughout. Jeez. And any form you get on. They'll say. That they're going to burn. The barrel of those out. Yeah. Um. I personally have a 65300. One of the first ones. Um. I can't tell you. A round count. Because. I just don't keep track. I don't worry about it. But a lot. We use. We use. A lot. We use slow burning powders. Weatherby's got a free bore in there. That relieves a ton of the pressure. And I just don't believe. In burning one of these out. Wow. Especially your average guy. There's no way. Yeah. Not a normal hunter. Yep.

And how many rounds. Do you shoot a year? Well. Most of the guns. Yeah. Especially with. Us in hoarding mode slightly. Right. You've got. We've got our stashes. Whatever that is. Either in components to reload. Or factory. Stuff. As we do that. And yeah. You're. You know. Hopefully. Five rounds at the range. Before you go. And all's good. And then. Whatever you shoot on a hunt. Which unless you see coyotes. For me. Has not been many rounds this year. So. Yeah. I mean. Let's say. 20 rounds a year. If you're not just out. Like. Let's say. You've already developed your gun. Your load. Your setup. And you know. That's cooking. And you just need to. Every year. Take. Test on paper. And take it hunting. You don't shoot more than 20 rounds. No. You should never burn one out. No. Honest opinion. No. Tell me. Back to back. A little bit on that. Carbon 2.0. I think is what you call it.

Do you have yet. An estimated. Time of arrival. Well that. Yeah. And an estimated. Like how much lighter it is. Than your. The standard. 33. 378 Mark 5. That you've always been doing. I mean. I don't know the exact specs. Off the top of my head. But I'm pretty sure. We're a pound and a half. Overall. We're taking off. That's good. That's everything. People don't. People don't think. That a pound and a half. Is a lot. Just initially. But you put it on your shoulder. It is. That's. I mean. You talk. You talk guns. So you talk to a sub. You talk a sub. Seven pound gun. That's. That's light. Oh. Super light. And you better have a very light. And I honestly feel. I honestly feel. Like that cuts. Two or three hundred yards. Off your maximum. Comfortable. Range. You're just not solid. As a rock. When you lay in behind it. Like you are. Usually. These guns. You get these guns.

That we're carrying now. You know. They're. They're ten pounders. They are. And they're. They're heavy. And a light gun. Usually. They're cutting off. Three to four inches. A barrel off. To help. Yep. Be part of that equation. Which is going to. Generally hurt your accuracy. Accuracy at long range. But when you're three. For three. On coyotes. At 615 yards. And when you skin a coyote. Let alone a pup. You're not. You're shooting at a jack. You're hitting what you aim at. Or less. A small jack. And so. I just think that. You're splitting hairs man. That's a testament to. Getting in behind a heavy gun. And having the confidence. Of dumping a big deer. Elk. Whatever. There is one word there. And you said it. It's confidence. I mean. I shot the same system. For a long time. Yeah. And every system. Every system works. It's just confidence. It's like anything. So.

So just tell us a little bit about ammo. I just bought a bunch of brass. It's brutal to find. Very expensive. What is. What does a guy do. Even if you're willing to pay it. Let's say you're willing to pay for it. What does a guy do. I have no idea. I don't have. I don't think anybody's got the answers. Okay. Did you just. Did you guys buy a bunch of. Obviously. I know the. The components that you guys must stock. You know. In hundreds of pounds. But I'm just wondering. You know. Is that how you're doing it. And keeping the shop open. Is just. Is just pre-buying. And when it comes. That's. Yeah. I mean. We. We run on a huge inventory. But even that inventory is scarce. I mean. I've had to limit guys to. Two boxes per rifle that we sell. Which. Yeah. I don't want to do. Anybody that's calling. And ordering ammo. Right now. You know. I have to just limit them. We just gotta. I mean.

We gotta work together. To get through this. But as far as the end. Who knows. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Luckily. You know. IMR's got a new ender on powder. That's kind of working with. The harsh. Unix stream powders. Luckily. They released that. And perfect timing. And those. Those work well together. So there's a lot of options out there. Even in the bullet world. You know. There's. There's options. There's options. It's just a bummer. We have to think about. Deviating from. From what we've always. Yeah. What we want. Yeah. What you like. Yeah. That's right. Kind of take what's available to you. I got a question for you. Scott. On. And it's regarding shooting your reticle. I. You know. One of your guns. I was going over it with my boy this weekend. Because I wanted to use. Mm-hmm. Use. That gun up there in Idaho. He's got an elk tag. We're going up there. Thompson system. Yeah. And he's.

You know. I was showing him. And he's shot. When he was younger. He shot it. But he didn't know he was shooting it. What I mean by that is. I wouldn't. You know. He's shooting a 300 yard crosshair. That kills everything out to 300. 325. Before I have to start telling him where to aim. Right. Correct. Well. This is. You know. He's older now. And you know. He's capable. I can talk him through. You know. A range. And you know. The dots. And things like that. But for you personally. What do you. What. What fits your eye best. When you have to gap shoot. Let's say at 450. 475. Or something. You know. And you're trying to tell him. You know. You count down. You put the four high. But you're trying to also. Tell him that you've got to. See what that does. You know. If you put the four. At the backbone. And now the five's dead on. Where you want to aim. You're too high. You know. How do you.

How do you talk that through. How do you mentally do it. Do you aim your dot high. Or your low and low. What. How do you usually do that yourself. Your picture where the four and three quarters is. And put that in the lung. Yeah. Correct. So I always. I always roll back. I never go ahead. So say we got a 680 yard sand. Mm-hmm. I'm going to roll that six high. I'm not going to hunt for the seven yet. That's how I do it. And that's what I told him. But I. I mean. I just wondered how you did it. For me. It's kind of how your brain works. And some people's brain. You say. Well I'm only 20 yards off. The seven. I'll just put the seven a hair low. But for me. It just. Aiming low on an animal. I've never done that. In my life. You know. It just. Doesn't fit my eye. To aim low. Does that. And honestly. 99% of the time. I mean. Shots go over. Missed shots go over. Yeah. Very. Very. Yeah. You.

Don't have the gun bedded right. Or something. Just jumping a little bit on you. Or. You're. You're. You're lifting off. Whatever. Yeah. So. Good point. I just wanted your perspective on that. Because I was. You know. Had it set up at a house. Going through all the gaps. All the way out. So he was just getting familiar with the shooting. Because he shot the gun before. But. That was years ago. And it was just. You know. I wasn't letting him shoot far enough. It was just general deer. And hey. If we shoot three, four hundred yards. That's about all we're shooting. But anyway. Correct. Just wanted your opinion on that. So are you guys still running shooting courses. And. And whatnot. I mean. I know. Obviously you're. You're in hunting season. Things slow down that way. But. You guys are full bore year round. Just wondering. You know. You're still offering people to be able to come out.

And learn from you guys. You bet. So April through August is when we. We prefer to book guys. Okay. And. That's a good time frame. You know. Weather's good. Everything's good. But. Constantly. I have guys coming through. They're stopping in there. Calling ahead and saying. Hey. I need a quick crash course. I need this. I need this. Yeah. And we try to accommodate everybody best we can. Yeah. The only thing that can stop us is visibility. So. Other than that. We can get you through here. If you want to. If you're passing through. Or. Wind and everything. Wind. Wind. It's good to learn. It's good to learn. All right. Well. That's. Well. We know we surprised you. We didn't even have a setup. So you've given us. Some more good stuff to chatter about. But. Tell us one. One last thing. Adam and I were talking about. Is environmental variables. Tell us when. When you get concerned.

Your system's set up. And you take the law of averages. You're going to be at an average elevation. This and that. And the other. But. Just tell us what your opinion is. On. On environmental variables. And people that are. Which ones do you think make the most. Have the most influence. Because there's a lot of range finders. That can take stuff like that. In consideration. But it seems like extreme environmental variables. Still very. Very little. Out to a thousand yards even. So. Correct. I mean. Honestly. It's. It's going to be wind. That's your biggest. That's your worst nightmare. Is wind. Wind.

There's no way to perfect wind. There never will be a way to perfect wind. We can guess. We can study it. But we'll never perfect it. It changes. From you to the target. It changes. Yep. It could be 10 at you. So. Yeah. I've seen wind. I've seen wind. Yeah. Zero at me. Zero at my target. But that cross cane in the middle. Who knows. But no. Wind. Wind is always. No. Wind drop. That's easy. We'll always have the drop. Do you worry about barometric pressure and elevation. Things like that. Things like that. I mean all those things. I don't. And honestly. I mean. I'm a 700 yard hunter. Yeah. 700 and under. Those variables. They just. Don't make a difference really. They don't make much of a difference. When you go beyond seven. That's where we start rolling dice. Okay. Well and I guess perhaps. If you come out to your course. And you're. I don't know. What are you guys shooting at? 5,000.

I'm plus or minus. Yeah. 5,000 feet. Correct. So versus. Yeah. You're. Setting a gun up at sea level. And then you're bringing it to 10,000. There could probably be a. A bigger jump there. Than somebody going for 5 to 10. Or 5 to 85. Or 5 to 9. So. A lot of our hunting is at 7. Yeah. 6. Yeah. You know what I mean. 6 to 8 feels like a lot. It's just not enough difference. But. Yeah. We have. I mean. We have steel that goes to 13 and 1400. Jeez. I'll shoot to 13, 14. And. But again. Shooting coyotes at 600. That's where we like to keep. Realistic hunting. Let's do 7 and under. Let's get it. Let's get it done. Bring it home. Yep. All right. Well. You know of any extra 200 inchers that we need to know about? No. It's. They're hard to come by. Slim chickens. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. Well. Sounds like you got a few tags left. And. We'll circle back with you in a month or two. And.

See how the dust settles. Or maybe hear about it. To the great find. Awesome. If it does happen. So. Yeah. I appreciate your time Scott. Thanks for taking the call for a minute. Thanks a lot. Appreciate you guys. You bet. Oh. And one other thing. How can people get a hold of you? You can look us up at. Tom's long range dot com. Website. You can email us. Or you can call the office there. One of us will be. One of us will take care of you. Okay. Sounds good buddy. Appreciate it. All right. Yeah. Okay. Thanks a lot. See ya. You know some of those questions. Like I asked him. When you're trying to explain to your kid. That's never held. Except for one crosser. You've got to. It's hard to explain. Because I know how an animal looks. When I put a crosser on it. Oh I know. And if I put the 500 on. It's top of it's back. And the 6 is still low. I know I'm good. But if you put the 500 low.

He brings it high. And now the 6 is up where. You know it's dead on. You're going to hit high. Yeah. So you just got to. It's a fine. I try to picture where the 5 and 3 quarters is. Or 5 and a quarter. Yeah. Or whatever. But you know. And it's worked. I've never missed an animal. I mean I killed Chief with their gun. Oh yeah. That buck out. Down on the res right here. The biute. That was a 5 and 3 quarter or 600 yard shot. I've never had a. It's just different. When you start. When talking to him and a kid. Yeah. We've simplified. And as our kids are getting a little older. Maybe a little bit more. Have a few kills under their belt. And they're able to use a different system. Or understand stuff differently. Or have a different reticle. Or if. Even if they have a. An MOA reticle that they dial. Let's say they. They need a follow up shot. Or need to use the windage.

And they need to know what the little tick marks are. On certain scopes. It's just MOA ticks. Well. You'd never talk to them about them. Until they start getting there. 16, 18. When they're younger. You can talk to them about it. But most of the time. It's just one crosshair. Simplify it for them. That's right. I just had to have that interaction with him. And so. We'll see if it. It's good. See if it happens for us. No. It'll kill. Anyway. That's a good gun. Yeah. All right. Well. Chris. You got anything else for us boss? You're getting ready to go to Colorado in a week or so Chris. A little over. 10 days. Yeah. Yeah. You going with a buddy or. Yeah. Actually I had a. A good friend that drew the tag. And I'm going to go with him. Oh. Nice. Well good. Well you guys will do good. You always do. You know it well. So. It'll be kind of fun to see. This is the latest season dates.

The latest season. Yeah. Latest. Second. Mm-hmm. What. And I know the dates on a calendar say this. But. But it feels like the amount of time. Since any hunting for deer has gone on. It's 30. It's 30 days. Since September 30th to October 30th. That's. I think it's something to talk about. That's. A bigger gap. To where you could have deer out. Just. You know. I know they've had a first season elk hunt. And it starts going on right now. But then they lengthen that gap. From this next Wednesday. When it ends. Until the start of the second. It's longer. Or. I think that time off. If we'll just call it that. Is going to have a big impact. On deer being available to. To hunt. You know. And then the dates. As well. Being later. If we do get weather. But I think the time off. The less. The light pressure. All through October. There's like. Had a one five day elk hunt. The whole month of October.

Before the second season. In most units. Now I know there's some early elk. But I'm talking 90% of the units. You got. Something to think about. Yeah. These deer in Colorado. Are going to be like. Where's all the hunters? And all of a sudden. They're going to be out there. Frolicking. Yeah. They're going to be frolicking. And then all of a sudden. Truck loads of orange. Opening day. Waka. And you got a little pumpkin patch. Everywhere. Hey. Who doesn't like it? I mean. Dude. I've kind of grown to like it. Well. There are. You're surrounded. In friends. When you're out there. Think about it. Second. Third. Fourth season. Mostly second. Third. Over the counter elk. And limited entry deer. Which are some of the most. Popular seasons. You are surrounded in friends. Every gas station. Every motel. Every restaurant. Republicans.

Friends. Yeah. Chris ran into someone in Mexico last week. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I mean. You're. You have a lot. Obviously common interests. That's mostly what it is. Yeah. I didn't mean to turn a political. So. But don't delete that.

Nice to be amongst friends. All right. Guys. I don't know. We are. Bronson. We did talk about something. We are planning to go to the Hunt Expo here in northern Utah this next year. Pretty excited about that. Yeah. We'll be there. I think it's February 10th to the 13th. Normally. Normally a Valentine's event for all you ladies that just can't wait to go to dinner with a bunch of hunters. With your husband. Take you to Rhodesio Grill. But no. Yeah. We'll be there. We'll be there again. That's coming sooner than you know what. I think they've got the registration open. And yeah. We'll be there. We'll be there having a bigger booth than even normal. We'll be bringing optics there. So stay tuned for that. We're in the process of doing our orders for that. So we'll be able to make some great deals on optics there in person. So look forward to seeing everybody there for details.

If you want to get registered and get there you go to huntexpo.com. Yeah. They've also if you may remember Utah. I don't believe as of last week they had the $5 tags live yet. But that is bound to change here in the near future. But they will be having that again. The $5 tags that you can put in for the extracurricular tags if you will. These aren't the Utah Division of Wildlife. Bonus points. Take. Use. Points. Or tags. So. But yeah. We'll be there. Huntexpo.com. Yeah. It's an addition. So it's pretty awesome. Another opportunity to be able to put your name in the hat and draw something awesome. So anyway. February 10th to the 13th we're going to have a big old booth. Giant. 50 foot or so. Some big animals that some of them didn't get a scene last year that are because of some of the COVID issues and gatherings.

We're going to be bringing some big animals in our booth and we're pretty excited about it. If you want to show off an animal or something or have it scored. Why bring it by the booth. Just bring it by the booth. And we love to put our hands on big animals. So anyway. Love to see it. Love to chat with you. Visit about plans and the future of hunting. And Bronson, I'm already looking forward to next year. I want next year to happen right now. I want to reset for August, September, and October. I want to reset. Yeah. Huh? It was dry and a lot of the places we like to hunt were affected terribly. You mean they sucked? Utah, Nevada especially. They were affected terribly. Antler growth for deer especially. Elk were not so bad. No. There's some good bulls. But deer were. So we're looking forward to some of these northern states or Colorado to be our saving grace this year.

To be able to come through and bring some bucks back. You know, Carter. Make big bucks great again. Make big bucks great again. Huh? Your game bag and processing could be something else after Colorado with you. Well, dude. Every single one of your family has a Colorado tag. And I'm ready because it's been a little slow so far. But having said that, I promise you I'm hunting as hard as I've ever hunted. Oh, yeah. And I've got plans. And I've got plans. It's not for lack of effort. That's not. There's a few name bucks that just, you just can't tell the world anymore, Bronson. Yeah. People, if you take a picture of bear dirt and you throw it online, somebody's going to tell you. Somebody will recognize. You can take a foot where you're at. Yeah, there's apps. You can take a picture and it has a mineral composition there and you can do a soil profile map. Tell me I'm wrong. Probably true.

And it's probably Onyx sponsored. Huh? Yeah. Probably the premium version. The platinum version. I don't know. You're laying in your tent at night and you take a picture of the stars. Hey, laying in the stars in my camp. Well, there's that app that can pick up the constellations and they'll pinpoint where you're at. Jana said it right the other day. She says, you don't dare do anything anymore. Take a pee in the hills, whatever. You don't dare do anything. Like, it's crazy nowadays. If somebody doesn't watch it through grass, a trail camera got you doing it. It's right. I'm telling you. So, anyway, I promise we may be a little quieter. However, we're hunting our guts out. We're experiencing a lot of new units, actually, which I love. The consultants here in the office are cranking new units, favorite units, whatever. Chris, you and John are going crazy.

I mean, everybody's out and about and learning a ton, which helps console me. It does. And part of that, we're hunting some brand new stuff in a tougher year. Yeah, you're going to swing and miss. But, I mean, we're gaining a lot of info. There's a lot of what we're doing that we, if we could hit rewind and go do it again, I think would be a lot more effective. But, anyway. We'd be a lot more effective. And then there's some that I would just say fast forward. Hey, I'm not coming back here. I know what the end result is. It's not pretty. I'm crossing this off. This was not a hidden gem. This was not a hidden gem. How many hidden gems have I tried? Huh? Yeah. You asked me the other day, like, we need to try some of these New Mexico deer units. No? No, I don't. It dawned on me that you'd have about three of them. Or five. I don't know.

And I think the second, one or two of them, I don't know if you know you went hunted after you figured out more. I don't tell anybody. I don't tell anybody. I know. I'd like to fail in private. Huh? Yep. I hear you. I don't know. But, anyway. Yeah. So, speaking of consultants out in the hills, everybody, if you're not a member of Epic Outdoors, get online. EpicOutdoors.com. Become a member. It's $100 a year. We publish information. It's a monthly publication. We publish information December through June. Talk about all the western states, all the big game species, and drawing odds, kill percentages, our comments, as well as being able to visit with us in person. You can pick up the phone. We'll answer and visit with you. And develop short-term, mid-term, long-term application strategies. We also have an application service. It's kind of like having somebody do your taxes.

You know, you're responsible for the tags, the fees, but you also get your own refunds and you get your own tags. You get to choose if you want an outfitter, and then we can help you find outfitters. So, anyway, we work with the best of the best here in the west. So, anyway, anything that you need that way, landowner tags, applying, booking hunts with guaranteed tags, whatever, we can help you here at Epic Outdoors. So, EpicOutdoors.com, $100 a year, I guarantee, be the best $100 you spend. Plus, you get member pricing on optics most of the time. One purchase will take care of your membership.

One thing I think I just wanted to add to that is we have a great team of consultants, the most experienced team that you'll be able to find to be able to call and bounce ideas off of as far as planning on how to use your points, where to use them to match your trophy criteria, your personal hunting strategies. And we're all here under one roof, 8 to 5 from the December, you know, through June time frame, winter and spring. 6 to 8. Yep. 5 to 8. Well, 8 to 5 is when we answer the phone. We get a lot of work done maybe from 2 to 8. But that's when we're writing magazines and doing stuff. Yeah, we don't usually pick up. But 8 to 5, we're on mountain time. We're based in southern Utah, based in the middle of the west. We just love what we do and love researching and finding and talking about western hunting opportunities. Take pride in not being uninformed, I guess.

We want to be on the up and up and help you make the best use of your personal application time, strategy, money, everything like that. So our number at the office, if you want to call and join, is 435-263-0777. Or you can go to epicoutdoors.com and join. And we will be here. Stay tuned. In the coming weeks, we will be launching a new membership drive with some pretty awesome hunts. A lineup coming up here in probably within the next 30 days or so. That's kind of fun. And Bronson and I sit back and we visit with the consultants and everybody here at Epic Outdoors and drum up what we feel like are hunts we would personally want. And then we purchase those hunts at full price and then give them away. I don't know. That's been a marketing tool that we've used as we started from zero. And we're keeping with it. And it helps us maintain a business and gaining new members.

And we're allowing the members that are already current to be able to refer members that join. And you'll get a ticket for referring somebody that joins. And so anyway, stay tuned for that. We've got a great lineup this year. Some of the stuff we've never done before. We like to mix it up a little bit. And like Jason said, have hunts that we personally would take time out of our schedule to go and do. I want a little shout out to Blaine St. James of St. James Sporting Properties. Really good dude. He's been there, done that hunting wise. That's what I like. Hunter support and hunters. If you're looking for properties either to buy or sell, don't hesitate to give him a call. He's licensed to many different states. Anyway, you can give him a holler at 877-354-7247. Or go to www.sjsportingproperties.com. www.sjsportingproperties.com. He hit us with a text.

He sent his boy's first antelope in. His first buck. DIY there in Colorado. Nice. Just, you know, he's just a hunter. His kids are a hunter. His family and whatnot. The same phase of life as us. You've got at least a couple of boys that I know about. And it's pretty fun to see. If I'm buying and selling properties and I want a hunt and spin on it, I would take his recommendation. He knows what he's looking at. He's been there, done that. And he's killed some great animals over the years and has a lot of experience. So anyway, don't hesitate to give Blaine a call. He'd be happy to visit with you. Again, licensed Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming. That's j-sportingproperties.com. Another shout-out we want to give if you're in the mood or market for a UTV, ATV of some kind, Triple S Polaris based here in southern Utah. Great outfit there.

Colton Francis and his crew have been able to work with us and develop them one of our epic. A razor there for us to meet our needs for some of the, I guess, more southern, southwest type country that we spend time in. If you, you know, get a hold of them, you can get $250 off your next Polaris and $250 in Epic Optics store credit and call for details if you're looking to put something together. And he does stock stuff, but he really specializes in customizing an ATV, you know, whatever, UTV to however you want to use it, to your specs, what you use it for. They love messing with them. Farm, ranch, hunting, whatever. They love, if you can dream it, they can figure it out. There was a, there was, what was that Ranger that came in that had 40-inch tires or something? Yeah, it was about five feet tall on the bottom of the frame. Yeah. It was just like, you have a walk under that.

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Go to phonescope.com. P-H-O-N-E-S-K-O-P-E.com. You need to video everything out there in the hills. We're videoing stuff nonstop. I know we just talked to Scotty. He threw up a video of killing those coyotes. Pretty awesome. I mean, it was awesome. It's just great. And so, anyway, we're videoing all the animals we're finding. John had video available. Chris, you're videoing stuff. I mean. A lot of it derived from your cell phone. You just got to know your model of your phone, your model of your spotting scope or vinyls that you want to put it on. And make the order or give them a call. Either way, but yeah. Anyway, phonescope.com. Also does the pyro putty.

Start a fire with electronic lighters. It's crazy. It's going to be that time of year. It's mid to late October, and that's going with me every time. The summer's over. It is definitely over. When you're caught out on a ridge and you're freezing, it's fire time. You can use Epic 10 as a 10% discount on their website. Go to www.pyroputty.com. P-Y-R-O-P-U-T-T-Y.com. Epic 10. E-P-I-C. The number 10. So, all right, Brownson. Anything else, Chris, Jason? I can't think of anything. Well, it may be a minute. And we haven't pre-recorded too many more of these, so it's going to be live from the quad straight region. Chris Peterson studio? Yeah, that's right. Chris, one cell phone and Daisy Chan and 14 of us together. It might be that way. Yeah. But hey, that might be interesting. He's in New Mexico right now. We should be calling him. He won't answer. What? What if he does? Huh?

Can he just barely get there? He started Saturday. He's been hunting big bulls. But I thought he had one ridge he could get service on, Carter. If he answers, it's a miracle. It's because he's either calling for horses. Or an EMT.

I don't think it will. No, he ain't answering. No way. Although it might be for, it's in New Mexico. One tower to another. I had service the whole time. One tower to another.

Oh, it might be Bronson. What?

Dude, he's there. I think he's there. He's got an arm in the air. I wonder if I just cost him an animal because it was on. A ring? A ring. Hopefully not at 2.56 p.m. So, hopefully not.

Hello? Dude, how are you doing?

Good. You're on the podcast. You're on the podcast. We couldn't stand it. We've got to know what's going on down there.

Sorry. I'm trying to wait for an elk to stand up. That's what I'm doing. Are you going to kill it? I can't talk very loud. Huh? I don't know. You got a blonde piece of hair in the timber?

See, there's this, I have this grass that's like antler size to suck factor, where there's like a, you know, on the x-axis is size of antler, and then y-axis is suck factor. At some point, those cross and meet, and there's just a decision that needs to be made. Oh, you're saying you're on a bull, and if I pull this trigger, what's the size of this bull compared to the ratio it's going to take us to get this zombie out of here? Versus waiting a couple more days for a bigger bull, but the season will be over. Correct. After, it's not the biggest, not the bigger bull that we found, but he's a good bull. Do a smash and grab. Make us proud. Josh, be careful what you wish for. That's Jason's favorite quote. Be careful what you wish for. Make sure. Make sure your pack wheel is fully charged.

That's the problem. I'll have to go four miles out to get the stupid pack wheel. I'll have to come back. Are you in there? You're in deep? Do you have to go out every night to sleep, or you got camp in there? No, we probably should have. We did 13 miles yesterday, and we're pushing nine already today. Holy crap. Well, I'm going to be on the record right here. Carter says smash and grab, but that's easy for him to say, because he's just going to see the picture of a dead bull and move on with his life. I don't have to pack it out. That's right. I'm just going to say, use extreme caution. Do you have a back brace?

No, but I'm going to need one. I think you're with your dad. You're with your dad, right? Yeah. And you love your dad, right? Yeah, don't do anything to jeopardize that relationship.

Dude, smash him. Jason. That's the problem. Feed the family. Smash him. Okay. I could have smashed the spike to feed the family this morning right off the road and been all right. Yeah, this is not about feeding the family. So have you had a good look at him? Is he put together? Is this a good bull, or do we do? Yeah, yeah. Just, no. There's been a lot of bulls the same size. Okay. Just 330 range, you know. But that's the tough part. When it's a five-day hunt, like, I'm getting down to... Oh, yeah. Two days after the day. You take a whole... Two days after the day. Yeah, you take a whole day to... Yeah, you take a whole day to... A whole day to just to kind of figure things out, and then you're hunting for two days. Anyway, five days isn't a long time. But you did see a good bull. Oh, yeah. We saw a really good bull Saturday night, and then tried to get on him yesterday morning,

but we got in there, and the wind was just terrible. And it's kind of on a big mesa, so you couldn't really get around him because he was just ledges on both sides of you, so you couldn't really get around him. So we just set up on him where we were hoping he came out and sat there all day baking in the sun and moving around the shade of this old dead Ponderosa. And then at five o'clock, the bulls all stood up and came feeding out one by one right in front of us at 300 yards, and the three that were there with him the night before all came by, and he never did. Well, the way I look at it, here we are. What is today? Monday. Your hunt is exactly half over right now because you've had two and a half days, and now you've got two and a half. You've got 50% left. Two and a half. That's right. I don't... I'm just saying, I don't think you're to that... You're not seeing the urgency? No.

But what if he has two days of wind? 50 mile an hour wind. Okay. Yes. So look at that, Josh. That's an absolute factor. That's pretty much what... Yeah. If it's going to be... You looked at the weather. There's a front coming through, and it's about 40 mile an hour winds. It's dry. It's pretty miserable. We're in that. It's a dry wind, though. It's nothing coming with it, and that's going to be a bummer, but I don't know. Man, I've... Yeah, it's just going to be cold tomorrow. It sounds like there's nothing, no moisture coming. Okay. Well... I don't know. It's awesome, man. I think this place, I wish I would have been here probably a month ago with the bow in my hand. I think it would have been off the charts. Some of the elk signs, pretty unbelievable. So I'm never seeing any country like this, though. Wow. Oh, yeah. I am. It's just they're so spread out now because you've still got...

The summer range is phenomenal. There's still green grass up here on this summer range. That's where I'm on the border of the summer range. I've heard the rut is over. Yeah. You know. Oh, yeah. It's gone. There's nothing. Not even a run. It's dead. And it's... Spikes aren't even... It's hard. You're chasing bulls 10 miles away from where the cows were now. They're just... Yeah. That's what's awesome is you can glass 10 miles, but then you glass a bull five miles away, and it's like, well, we can't get to him until tomorrow because... Or you glass him. It's seriously hunting like that compared to what sheep country. You can glass him across these giant canyons. I'll send you a picture. It's unbelievable. Wow. But you've got to go clear up to the head of the canyon to get across the canyon. Yeah. It's pretty wild stuff. Wow. Any sheds? You finding any sheds or... Some of the tip.

Tip of a broken point today. I probably didn't... I probably didn't... I was pretty proud of myself. They rut there. There's a knife handle. Any big muleys?

No. We've seen quite a few deer, but no big deer. It's driving. Okay. Well, we'll let you get back to it, but I just want to be on the record once again. Your dad's a good man. I know your dad. Don't do a smash and grab because it's not going to be a smash and grab. Yeah. The smash and grab implies you're lifted into the truck. It's going to be a smash. Yeah. It'll be a two-day job to get one out. Smash and pack. Smash and pack. Yeah. Well, Chris is not nearby with horses either, so it's like John. No. So, anyway. Well, we wish you the best. We'll wait to hear from you. We're all scattered into the neighboring states here in the next few days, so we thought we'd check in with you before we left. So, were you going to kill him before we called? He sounded like he was. Yeah. I mean, he's laid out, ready for him to stand up. He was whispering, and now he's talking loud. You sure?

Oh, you're trying to speak. Well, I moved off the backside of the ridge. I thought maybe your phone ringer was on and that you were going to now block me forever. Blowing the elk. No, no. Well, his ringtone is an elk bugling, so I thought it sounded good. Yeah, we're safe. It's actually a mallard quack, and so we're good. Oh, it's a mallard. They haven't even heard of mallard down there. New Mexico? Water. Water? New Mexico? No. So, were you going to kill him or not?

Well, see, I don't know. There was a couple other bulls with things I didn't even look at before they laid down today. Oh, okay. Because it was literally one of those things we saw five miles away this morning and hiked over in here. And you were hoping, I don't even know if they're still there, we're hoping they're in the same tree patch. I'm sure they are. Oh, gotcha. Well. What do you shoot? Gun. Gun. Six. No, no. Yeah. What are you shooting? No, I didn't know if you meant, what are you shooting, size of elk, or what are you shooting, gun? Gun-wise, gun-wise. Well, I decided I'd try that PRC to see how it did on an elk, so we'll see. Six-five. Well, it's a lighter packing gun. If you're going that much, I can't fault you there. I love packing my little thing. There's been a lot of guys shoot elk with that .257 Weatherby, 110 grainer.

You're shooting 143s, so I mean, that's basically a .270 bullet.

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. It's been good to pack. We've been hiking. Well, cool. Good luck, man. Well, we're hoping for an in-reach or something to break the silence, and then I don't know if we're going to be happy or if we're going to be praying for you after that. I'll be praying for you for sure.

They're pretty next level. Yeah. Okay. Pretty awesome. Good luck. Pretty awesome, buddy. All right. Good luck. All right. See you. Good night. Good night. He said there's literally one spot to get service, and maybe he found another one, but that was good. He's whispering over glass. Well, again, the cell service had to go from tower to tower to tower to... Ricocheting off of... There's a sandstone face that ricocheted off to... What were those boards back in the fax days? The switchboards. Yeah, the switchboards, you know. The old movies that plug out. Hey, can I talk to Sheriff? Oh, yeah, they plug you in. Yeah, that's right. It feels like... Hey. You're in New Mexico. Yeah, we're one step north of... Mexico.

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