EP 241: Bonus Giveaway Items and Deep Hunting Thoughts

Anything to do with Western big game.

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, John Peterson coming at you from Southern Utah. It's a warm one this past weekend. Summer definitely hit. How about all these fires? You got some guy lighting toilet paper, a homeless guy lighting toilet paper, lighting up the freaking Flagstaff Forest from what I heard. Trying to clean it up after himself. Can you blame a guy? Hey, picking up litter. Well. But, you know, anyway, I was always taught you were supposed to light toilet paper too, but I never have. No. Maybe once or twice. You really were? Yeah. Yeah, from way back. You take a dump and then you light it? Well, I'm just saying what a guy mentioned. I didn't grow up with you. No. I didn't. Hey. I've got a few other secrets out there. But anyway, that's for another podcast. So, hey, we do have clouds building. And supposedly there's supposed to be monumental, epic, monsoonal coming.

Well, I don't know about epic, but there's some monsoonal push from Mexico. I'm afraid I'm going to get flooded again. Hey, right now I'll take it. Yeah. Fishing at Jason's house. Remember? You were there. Fishing in the driveway. Rattlesnakes got showed up in your freaking streets. How did that happen? How did that happen? Anyway. Species of every kind of variety. On the ark in my front yard. Three foot goldfish in muddy water. In my front yard. Animals lining up. All right. Well, before we get started, I just wanted a little shout out to my nephew. Okay. Dayton Wolfley. He says, Carter, you know how you kill big deer? I'm like, I don't know, Dayton. You tell me. He says, if you hunt little deer, you kill little deer. If you hunt big deer, you kill big deer. I'm like, hey, that's podcast worthy. So, I'm throwing it out there, everybody. That's the best thing you heard all week. Well.

That's kind of that thing. I don't know. But the best thing. But I definitely wrote it down, and I'm going to live by it. Hunt big deer if you want big deer. Okay. All right. Quick shout out. This is going to get a quick turnaround to tonight, John. Yeah. Hopefully. I think you're going to get this out tomorrow, June 14th. Deadline to get your Arizona deer and sheep, and I guess a bison point application, unless you want a designated heifer. How about javelina? Yeah. If you want that, too. Sandhill crane. Crane? I do. Hey, I applied a guy. I know you did. We heard the gnashing of teeth. Well, Arizona's draw is terrible. It takes you 14 hours to do two, and I have to do a few more. It was terrible. That system is the worst. But get it done, everybody. And that's it for draws. We've got points-only stuff here in the summer. We've got Texas later on. But as far as the major states.

How about tonight? Nevada, if you forgot to apply, tonight's the deadline for Nevada's second draw, which is another basically point application. You can do points-only. Yeah. For every kind and variety. I guarantee somebody listening to this right now missed the Nevada deadline, and here's this. They're going to get it tonight. And they're going to jump on on two points-only. Hey. Hey. It's your lucky day. You heard it here first. That's right. Happy Father's Day. Hey, speaking of fathers, throw it out there, Bronson. Why? Well, I don't know. I just think- Happy birthday, dads out there. Mr. Moms. I think we were going to try to, because some of the podcasts, at times, it's hard not to be negative, right? In this woke environment. And with all the changes in the states, and all the angry people.

And so we were like, well, let's make a positive note on each and every podcast that we remember to do it on. Yeah. Okay? This positive note. Dads, y'all take your kids fishing and hunting. You're awesome. You're awesome. Yep. You're awesome. Here's a reminder for sons to think of your dad this Sunday. And daughters. And wives, and sisters, and cousins, and uncles, and everybody else. Hey, a dad's job's not easy. And if you list out what a dad's job is, it's like about everything. And it's all we can do to make a living, let alone everything else. And so anyway, good job for all you active fathers out there that aren't jack wagons. Good work. Good work. Keep it up. Take a kid hunting and fishing. Have a good weekend. Salute your dad, grandpa, whoever in your life. I got to thinking about dads. You know why. Because I got to talk about dads here and there. Oh, okay. You know. Yeah. Church.

Yeah. And so I got to thinking about it. And if you think about it, like, think about you, Bronson. What made you who you are? When you were young, your dad left an impression. And it's hard to break free from that. So if you leave good impressions, you teach your kids right. Your positive influence in life with the dad, it's. You die with those. It's a 60 to 80 year investment in that. Okay. And you also take on some of the negative, whatever that may be. Not dads aren't all perfect. You know, no dad is perfect. And so you take on a little bit of that. And people can change, but it's monumentally tough versus what you were trained. And I just think it's awesome for the guys out there that are doing a heck of a great job. Keep it up. Hats off. Keep it up. And let's make this world a better place. How about that? Yeah. Happy Father's Day. And, you know, buy some optics or treat yourself.

Treat yourself. If your wife forgets about it or your kids forget about you, why treat yourself here at Epic Outdoors. All right. All right, guys. We don't forget about you. Okay. Let's move on. Let's talk about, you know, we've got some draw results, Bronson. And you have not been that lucky. No. I've been fairly lucky. Have you? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I'm already counting on an Arizona draw. And I did draw a Utah tag, which is very rare. Yeah, but that's it. The last Utah. You drew a tag. The last special Utah deer tag I had was 1996 drought year. I drew a CW. So that's 24 years in between them. You had one elk tag in between that 24 years. I bought my way in here and there if I have to. Once, I think. Yeah, once. Still. Yeah, Utah, we don't draw much. It's tough. But, yeah, I'm still. Which means they're saving something big for me. Sheep. Something. I don't know.

Got Arizona sheep. I got, you know, Wyoming's coming out this week in a couple of days. Are you going to kill a big Nelson eye? No. You haven't even told me what you applied for. I did not put in for Nelson eye. I will tell you that. I have one of those. I did, too. I know. But I didn't have 180 plus injure. That's right. And I think you should have applied for my unit. Hey, there's too many good ones to choose from. You only can pick two. So, I had to. What two were they? We'll just say they're Mexican. Did you do one that has the Trump wall in the background? Mexican. Because I think it would be awesome to smash a sheep and back up to the Trump wall. Huh? I'll bet you could get Trump Jr. to repost that. You might. Huh? I guarantee you would. Yeah. But would you want him to? He posts some stuff that's scathing. I'm just not sure I want to sign my name to all that.

I'm like, I want to like it, but I don't think I will. Well, everybody would think that you had to hurt it up against the fence and just ran it down. There you go. So, it turned into a negative. And human society would hunt me down. One side, there was a fence, and now you're a high-fenced hunter forever. Yeah. Pretty soon, yeah. Can't even enter it in BNC. It's 182 inches. Down in a 46. Backpacked for 10 miles, and I'm up against the wall. Didn't you read the fine print down there? Those are no longer Fairchase Rams down there. Exactly. I don't really know. I didn't. I didn't read that. Antelope Island's Fairchase. Three sides are Fairchase. That's a one side. Yeah. But it's a tall one. That's a one broken side. I'm not even sure it has electricity running at the top of it. There's gaps, man. There's big gaps. There's big gaps. Dem gaps. Democrat gaps. All right. All right.

That's enough of that. So, if you haven't drawn why, we've got our epic hunt giveaway. And it's legit, Bronson. Well, and this one is always one that we announced the very end of April 1st of May. Extremely short. Yeah. Some of these hunts are for this fall. We can't let it go too long. We want to let the other one breathe a little bit. We also want to let a lot of the bulk of the draw results come out for people, just so you kind of know your plans. You know which one of the hunts would be something you could do and which ones you can't. Now, a couple of them are for next year, but a lot of them are for this year. And so, we can't go too long. We take pride in that. Yeah. And we want hunts that we want ourselves. When we actually go out shopping for these, and it is more or less that. You wanted to say consummate a deal with an outfitter. I knew it. I knew you did.

So, go ahead and say it. I wasn't going to say that word. No, I wasn't. You're the one that got me on it. I said when I was going out shopping for these hunts. Because it is kind of like shopping. Everything Bronson does in the office, he consummates this deal. Consummates that deal. Well, I used to say that, and Carter cringed. And now he's the one that uses that term. Okay. But anyway, keep going. I had to show him the definition. There's many different usages of that term. It was true. Come on. Yeah, it's true. Business deals are consummated. That's what we're talking about right here. Okay. Okay. So, moving right along. That's why we have to have a tight turnaround. We can't let these go into July or August and sell tickets forever. We can't. People need to make plans. We're going to quickly go through those right now just because it is the deadline.

And we've actually, and that's why we want to get this podcast out quick. We actually, for just a little incentive, maybe you got Father's Day wishes. Maybe you've got a father you want to buy something for. Or maybe you just want tickets. We sweetened the deal a little bit for three or four days. And this wasn't even planned. This was something we talked about on Friday, and we're like, this draw is, this epic hunt giveaway and our membership drive is forgotten about. It's the least played it's been. And we realize that state of the world it is, people are paying five, six bucks for gas. The economy's tightening. Houses are, you know, good grief. Interest rates are up. We understand a lot of this. You know, we're not trying to make you spend money you can't. But if there's something that you haven't done, you neglected to do, and you want to load another carrot,

we've thrown a carrot out there. So what kind of carrot we got? So what we did was, besides the most world-class, seven most world-class hunts we've ever had, some of them are similar. Yeah, a 231 deer tag with another outfitter, White Rock Outfitters, or a Colorado deer in Unit 61. Just an incredible hunt. We've done it ourselves. You smashed a 200-inch run there. I should have. And let's not talk about that. No, not really. But I should have. When you bring up stuff like that on a hot mic. And Wyatt still talks about that four-point that I passed, and he's now reminding me that he thinks it's over 200 on 61. Oh, that was the first one. Yeah. I told you you were dumb then. Yeah, I know. And I had it dead, done. If I want, you know, it's just one of those things. Anyway, I had to pull a pound-and-a-half trigger, and I've been over. Could you have done that? A pound-and-a-half? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Breathe on it. Well, if you bring it up, we're going to talk about it. So, anyway, or a New Mexico elk, you know, and that, I mean, that's. Archery or muzzle. Take your pick. A 440-something-inch bull that's going to be on a future cover was killed there last year. Nevada elk, we've never given away a 111 to 115. And I don't want to, I guess we can talk about it. Oh, let's finish them up. Well. Just finish them up like we do. Alaska grizzly. I mean, one of the most incredible opportunities with freelance. That is one of the spring 2023 hunts. Does not overlap anything. That's with Lance Kronberger. And freelance always makes me grin. Is it like Free Willy? Like, are we supposed to like, is Lance trying to get out of the cage? I mean, freelance. Like, freelance. No, freelance is, you're just kind of out there. He's freelancing. Yeah, you're not.

He's like, hey, let's just go find what we can find. We're out there crushing, trekking. Go wherever we want. Yeah. Don't adhere to any government regulations. Freelance, man. I'm not on the trail. I don't. I don't need to stick to the trail. I'm freelance. I'm bushwhacking. Anyway, one of our friends, we can tease him a little bit. Super good guy. One of the best. Spring Grizzly. Those guys listed. Pretty good dudes. Co-founder of Under Armour right there. So anyway, Alaska Doll Sheep. That's another 2023 hunt. So the Dillinger. I mean, he takes pride in his people basically having 100% opportunity. And he keeps them there if they're willing to stay until they do. Well, and he doesn't say it out loud. But hey, I guess we just did. So anyway. And then we got a Barbary Sheep in Texas. Which, I mean. Jim Breckbein. High West Rout. Wyatt's crushed a 35 plus on that.

Makes mine look like a dink. And he's like, mine's like 29 and change. He puts it right in his office. We get to stare at it every day. And just remember that he's King Kong of the Barbary. And then we've got an Epic Optics package that's unbelievable. Pretty awesome hunts. The best of the best. And so anyway, by saying all that, with a short drive and being in this COVID environment, and I call it the COVID environment, Bronson. It's rearing its ugly head. I know tons of people within five blocks of me that have got COVID right now. What is it? A sniffle? By the time you get it three or four times, what is it? Are they getting crushed? A good buddy of mine facedown, passed out, and had the ambulance come get him. What? His wife couldn't wake him up. Yeah. What? Yeah. When? And he gave blood. Listen to me. He gave blood and they had tested his antibody or his, what do they call it?

Antibodies. Yeah. Said they were off the charts. They could use it to help other people. So, whatever that means. He's now a walking Petrius. Dude, he was passed out. This was this weekend? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He found a face down in his own drool? Oh, yeah. What do you mean? I mean, you know. You mean, did he pass out on the, I want to. We could call him. Or was he in bed and he fell asleep? We could call him, no. His wife couldn't wake him up. No. He wasn't in bed and fell asleep. No, boss. He was one of these guys that was affected immensely on the first go-round. This is the second go-round after he has all these antibodies. Yeah. He almost died the first time, right? I mean, it was serious. I'll tell you later. I can't mouth it. Somebody's going to hear it. But there's other people. There's other people that, I'm telling you, it's going around again. So, whatever. Hey. Hey.

So, let's call it a COVID. It's not really. It's a Biden environment. Post-COVID. It's a Biden. There we go. It's a Biden environment trying to. You know what's really frustrating? Let's just go back. It's a Russia influence. We're trying to keep it positive. Hey. China and Russia. The reason why he doesn't care about high gas prices, he's trying to force us all to buy an electric vehicle. He's just going to force his green deal on us. Oh, y'all don't want to, you know, follow suit? You don't want to support me? Keep paying the high gas prices. We're going to force you to buy an electric vehicle. And by the way, you've got to buy new batteries for that vehicle. 16 to 20K every 100,000 miles. It doesn't even pencil out. And where does the electricity come from? Freaking gasoline. Huh? Doesn't come from the Lake Powell because it's empty. Hey, we need to fill Lake Powell. It's food storage.

It's water storage. We need it. We need the fish. We need the water.

We are all over the place. We're like Hammy. Whatever. We're like Hammy all over the edge. All I'm saying is if you don't have an epic hunt, play the epic hunt drive, the membership drive. We sweetened the deal, Bronson. Let's go back to that. We're giving away a fierce rifle from now to Wednesday night. Wednesday night at midnight, if you play. If you join or refer somebody or spend $100 or more in entries, you'll get for every $100 you spend or for every member you refer. For the gun or your choice of NL 10s. To our service. NL Pure 10s. That's right. 10 by 42. And that expires at 11.59 on Wednesday night. Mountain time. Yeah. Not central time. Not Pacific time. So if you already bought some but want to buy a few more, there's a short window now you can do. And we're going to do that drawing Thursday morning. We're not going to wait long.

We're going to draw that and give it whoever the winner is, give them a call. Give them a choice of a new fierce rifle or a pair of NL Pure 10 by 42. There might be another surprise Thursday morning, but you all got to listen to find out. Right? Yeah. All right. So anyway, pretty awesome. You can go check it out. Epicoutdoors.com. Of course, we've texted the membership a link to that as well as email. You probably saw that. Anyway. If you do want to, easiest ways to do that is online. Because if you hear this, it might be early morning, late at night, or you can call in during the day. We're here roughly 8 to 5 mountain time here in Utah. Do we need to go over the hunts one more time? Because I just started spewing and then you kept me going. I don't think so. We covered them all individually. We're good, John. You're happy. Yeah, we're good.

I think the point is these are not your average hunts. These are hunts that Jason and Adam would go on. Peterson. I like that. You can hunt 350 plus bulls on both elk. 190 plus deer on both deer hunts. You know, world class grizzly. Doll sheep. Barbary sheep. $15,000 in optics. How about this? Elk elk. Deer deer. Huh? Elk elk. Deer deer. Grizz. Doll. Barbary. And optics. And, of course, we've got the little lighter incentive, the bonus. Speaking of optics, you've got another little announcement. What? Ha! We have the six-hour 8Ks. Dude, one of the most wazoo rangefinders known to man. Well, we've all had the 2400s for years, and those were on backorder for like six to eight months until about two, three months ago. They just said, hey, that's actually going to be discontinued. The 8K is an upgrade of it, and it is a big upgrade. And just a more powerful laser.

Fourteen years later, when the 8K is about outdated, they finally give us our shit. So, anyway, they're here. They're in stock. We've been shipping them out. Actually, we just got them today and been shipping them out. So, we still have some more. Actually, I put one in my truck. I got another one. And you put one in your truck. Remember, it's well documented that my kid can use my stuff, and I don't have it. I know he likes your muzzleloaders. Yeah, well. He wouldn't smash stuff with it without you. It seems odd. I know it's easy to double charge a muzzleloader to do something. Something bad could happen with muzzleloaders. I've thought about that. Yeah, I mean, it didn't, thankfully. Because you kind of want to be there to shepherd your kid using a muzzleloader more than that. What about just make sure they don't kill themselves? Yeah.

I mean, he's looking down the barrel, jamming the bullet down. Yeah. Got a toe on the trigger. But I think it probably was loaded by me initially. And, you know, you just take the primer off every time you leave the field. And you don't. You just said, hey, put the primer on and smash a buck. Did he? Yeah. 500. 200 or something. No, 260 or 70. His buddy. He let his buddy shoot it. Hey. Yeah. Wow. I smashed the 725-yard target. Really? Dead on. I showed you the picture. Yeah, you did. I was impressed with that. I was no joke. I mean, I didn't walk up 10 yards from it and shoot it. Oh, it's fine. It's got a great big muzzle brake. Did you use it in a sled? Great big muzzle brake on it. It's great. Huh? Oh, Levi reads. Do you got something to use with that this year? Oh, yeah. What? I don't know. No, Sean does. You don't. Yours has got to be. Yeah, I could take the scope off.

Yours has got to have. I've got to take the scope off. 50%. What? Less powder? Rock friction ignition or something. What do you mean? Flintlocked and stuff. Come on. It doesn't. It's only sights. I know. But you're not shooting 600, 700 yards open sights. 500. Really? Oh, yeah. Open sights? Have you done it? I've done it. Show me the same pictures of steel with open sights. I have to go get it. I have to go get it. I can't shoot it. You better have an 8x4 sheet of steel. No problem. Hey, go stand out there, boss. No. Because you know I'll do it. Ha-cah! 300 grains. Yeah. Anyway, it's leaving that gun at 2,600 feet a second. If you hit the rock, if you hit dirt 10 feet from me, it still might kill me. It might. It's shrapnel from all corners of the earth. Gravel? Oh, yeah. I don't. Hey, I skipped one. I did. I skipped one. Well, I thought my range fighter.

The range finder was on the mode of that ramp. So, I put the muzzleloader ballistics in the range finder. Yeah. And so, it'll tell me what to dial to. So, I hit it. Ha-cah! Dial? And then I dial for a different one. Whatever MOA. Another. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. So, you had 300. I do in mils and MOA. But anyway, it was another MOA. It was another MOA. 300 rum. Mil dial on a muzzleloader. And I skipped the bullet. And it hit the daggum freaking burn. And I'm like, wow. I missed the still, but I hit the burn. And then I'm like, no. I think I skipped that one. So, then I did use the bullet app. Ha-cah! I mean, inches. And then I went. That was four and a quarter. And then I went straight to seven and a quarter. So, you went and changed profiles. And it finally caught the muzzleloader when it started spitting it out? So, the first one was like dialing nine MOA.

The second one was 22.6.

300 yards. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I aimed at the moon. Came down and smashed it. Wow. So, anyway. Now I know where all the dust was blowing around here on Saturday where it started. It was starting out at the rifle rate. It was 40 mile an hour wind loss. You start rolling one from 150 to 300 yards. It was by myself except for a couple of druggies off in the corner. They were dancing and music was blaring. And I'm just shooting this muzzleloader. Glad I had Justin. I was scared. Did you go through the full 10 ounces of drip? What? Blackhorn? Yeah, Blackhorn. I've got a little bit left. I had six reloads. So, I took the open sights off the rail and slapped on the scope. And it was sighted in from before. But you slap it on. Of course, it's not perfect. Dude, two shots. It's zoned in. I skipped one and then smashed another three. It's unbelievable. Okay.

You wouldn't want to be a prairie dog at 700 yards with this seat. Oh, gee. Hey, dude, say what you want. I'll sell it to you. I have guns. 20 grand. I wouldn't take a dollar less. All right. Let's move on. So, everybody, we got the membership drive. Dude, Bronson, we're within a week. The deadline for the entire drive ends Sunday, June 19th. Yeah. Not to confuse our little promo that we're doing runs through Wednesday night at 1159. And that's just to throw another gun at you or a pair of NL tents. We love giving stuff away. I freaking want to give stuff away right now. What do we got? John, go get that right there. Well, we could. Dude. We're giving enough away. The new Crossfire Rangefinders, let's just give one away on this podcast. Okay. But you got to track it somehow. Yeah. We're going to do that.

How are we going to do that? Check our Instagram. Check our Instagram for details. As soon as this podcast goes live, we're going to. Give a Crossfire. Yeah. No. I think we got to do something. I've got to do something. Because we're giving away a gun on a freaking out of minos. That's good enough. But I want to give away every podcast. No, we don't need to cut that. This is a clean break, one-shot deal. You haven't swore yet. I think we're good. I rarely do that. Only when you're excessively mad. I'm usually not mad ever on a podcast. No, not really. Okay. So, anyway. And then we've got Arizona's deadlines tomorrow. So, if you need some help, give us a holler only, of course, if you're a member. We deal with members here at Epic Outdoors. You can go check us out. If you're not a member, epicoutdoors.com. That's $150 a year.

And you get a monthly publication December through June, bimonthly the remainder of the year because we're out hunting. And most of the draws are over. We still cover the few that are remaining. Texas, Arizona bison and such. A few little points on the deadline. Texas desert sheep. It is worth mentioning, if you join, you're not a member, then you'll get your choice of ticket into this. Yeah, you'll get an entry for joining. For a dog sheep or elk. Yeah. Whatever you want. And $37,000 Nevada elk. That's right. Choose a ticket for that. That's right. Yeah. And the deadline for that is $11.59 on Sunday, June 19th. Father's Day. So, that's the end deadline to do the hunt optics giveaway. And we'll do the drawing as soon as we can within a couple of days after that. We always, usually, we've got a couple of days to process the online and phone and mail orders and all that. But it's not long.

By roughly Tuesday-ish next week, we're making hope and dreams come true. We also have a few fierce rifles in stock. If you're wanting to buy one, we'll make you a heck of a deal. They're brand new in the box. And anyway, so it is hunting season. Guys are looking to buy some gear. We also have trail cameras. Incredible deals. We have in the box, brand new, in Ivy. Last year's models that we're smoking out of basically costs. It's unbelievable. So, anyway, if you need something, give us a holler. 435-268-0777. Ask for Adam. Happy to help you. So, do we have anything else? No. Dayton, Wolfley. My nephew. Just remember, if you hunt little deer, you kill little deer. And if you hunt big deer, you kill big deer. You guys remember? Huh? We're from the same era. Yeah. I watched Saturday Night Live. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Remember? Oh, yeah. That's like a deep thought by Jack.

Deep thoughts by Jack. And if you hunt little deer, you kill little deer. I like it. Hey, hey. Whatever. It all works. And guess what? Thanks, Jack. Whoever's listening to this won't forget it. All right, everybody. It's a short one today. But, hey, it's 5 o'clock somewhere. Let's get out of here. Go out there and buy your dad something. Nah. At Epic Outdoors, we help you reach your hunting dreams. Whether it's helping you to develop a long-term application strategy or finding the perfect outfitter for your next hunt. As a member of Epic Outdoors, you'll also receive the Epic Outdoors magazine and have access to the best hunting consultants in the industry, online tools, and more. To join Epic Outdoors, visit epicoutdoors.com or call 435-263-0777. Thank you.