EP 310: Another Epic "Would You Rather" and Talkin' New Mexico, Wyoming and Arizona

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire Epic Outdoors crew. The entire. Let's name them. Right? One by one. One by one. All right, Logan, say aye. Aye. How are you doing? I'm doing good. Are you dating anybody? I'm not dating anybody. Too soon? Well.

Cash, introduce yourself. Hello. I'm here today. Why don't we do a real introduction? A real introduction? I'm Cashew.

Cashew? Cashew. I'm just teasing. We don't even call him Cashew. Go ahead. That's Josh. That's Joshua. I'm Cashew. I'm Cash. I'm here. I'm here once in a while. How are you doing? You work in the license app department? Yep. Killing it? Yep. Work under Wyatt. How is it working under Wyatt? He's, man. He's brutal. It's brutal. It's brutal. No, it's good. Like even words come to mind that we can't say anymore in this day and age. He harps on me. Slave driver.

He harps on me and I try harping back and it doesn't work. Well, because you don't get any reaction. It falls on deaf ears. Like he doesn't. He's emotionless. Yeah. He's like, go ahead. Hit me again. He's like, yeah. I mean, you can do what you want, but I'm just going to do my thing. Right? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. Right? What? Oh, I got nothing to that. See? It's the same thing. Same thing. You get nothing and then there's no reaction. You just go on to the next person. Right. Yep. All right. Well, how do you like working here? It's awesome. It's the best job I've ever had. I like it. All right. Devin, introduce yourself. I'm Devin. Officially. Archibald. I'm Devin. Born in probably Brigham City, Utah.

Okay. Why can't we ever get a straight answer of where you're born? We have to go look at your gun forms to figure it out. Yeah, we were just talking about it. There's an option on the thing that says, no idea where I was born. Originally you thought Logan. There is an option? Yes. I always thought you had to know. Well, do you know for a certain way where you were born? Yes, I know what the documents say. How do you know? MeFi Utah Hospital. There you go. And I was born when they kept good records. With pencil and paper. Exactly. With pencil and paper. You just trust what the thing says and hey, whatever. It's a good point, though. There you go. All right. Devin, you deal with our outfitters? Yes, sir. Booking hunts left and right, working tight with Wyatt and the rest of us, Adam and I. Optics. Consulting. Optics. Guns. Yeah, if you have a New Mexico tag or especially Montana, call me.

Killing it. There is some good stuff out there, man. But not to limit you to those states. Those are just the fresh releases. Fresh. Fresh this week. We get Utah. We get a few of those. And we had a ton of draws in Montana. A ton that Devin had to deal with a lot. We dealt with them. Wyatt's been dealing with them. Cash. We'll get to New Mexico in a bit. Lots of emails. But that is a next level subject. Sorry, Wyatt. Yeah. The New Mexico is kind of an exciting subject with the exception of Wyatt's not excited at all. I'm Wyatt. I didn't draw New Mexico. Okay. You were nice. Perfect. That's a great introduction. Wyatt. You guys will find out more later. Tell us a little more about yourself. Wyatt. I manage the license application side of things here. Yeah. He does a good job. And you're not hunting the land of enchantment this year. Yeah. Not going to the land of enchantment this year.

Been here for years, actually. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Time's flown. Yeah. Handful of years. It's crazy. It's awesome. Doing a great job. If you need any help in application department, hunts, whatnot, Wyatt's your man. He didn't forget anything. It's impressive. Who's that? Josh. Josh Pollock. I'm Josh Pollock. I just do whatever I'm told around here. Okay. Josh is a man of many hats. Dealing with optics left and right. All of the epic gear. I could just picture his wife here and do what I'm told around here. She's like, you don't do that around her. No. Except dishes and laundry and vacuum. There's a list of things I don't do. Yeah. But I heard your wife's next level. She hooks up trailers, camps on her own. She doesn't need a man. No. She does not. She doesn't. Oh, yeah. Plus, you're not a man. No. I was made clear in April of 2018. I do not need you, but I'll have you around. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Heck no. She hooked up a camp trailer, hauled it all the way to Lava Hot Springs, whatever. It's unbelievable. All by herself. Dang. She doesn't. Do you think she was in tow haul mode, or was she just doing whatever she wanted? I don't know. She probably had the cummins peg to the floor. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Come unhitched. Redlining. All right. So, Josh, anything more about yourself that you want to reveal here on the Epic Outdoors Podcast? I don't think so. I have a middle initial. I don't have a middle name. What is it? It's just an initial S. I like it. I got a lot of hate from these guys from that. Not hate. It's just very interesting. I only filled out a gun permit form correctly, and I was chastised. Yeah. He said the initial, right? That's your name, right? I reviewed his form, and it said CEO. S-I-O. Your middle name's CEO?

CEO? This is not going to pass. What did you say? Well, it says if your name only has a middle initial for the middle name, then put in parentheses or quotes, I-O. So, that's what I did. He read the instructions. But what happened when Josh's dad came to the office? Let's talk about that. He said he had a real name. What was that name? Well, he started throwing out names. Your mom's name or something? What do you mean throwing out? He's your father. Well, I know. But Adam, you're taking his word for it. Don't do anything halfway. Just like we don't know where we were born. I'd like to see your birth certificate. If they wanted me to have a middle name, they would have gave me a middle name instead. But no. Devin? They leave it out there for whatever. Did his dad even pause for half of a second? He spit his middle name out instantly. What is it? His mom's maiden name. Oh. Yeah. All right.

I can't remember. Like I said, some people don't know where they're born. Some people don't know their full name. I guess. It's us. So, Josh does a lot with the production side of things. Helps with YouTube. All kinds of social media. Optics. Tripods. Applications. Consulting. I mean, we wear a lot of hats here at Epic Outdoors. John, that brings us to you. I'm John, and I am hunting New Mexico.

John. Okay. We should start again. Logan. Are you hunting New Mexico? I'm Logan, and I'm not. Oh. Cash. I'm Cash, and I am hunting New Mexico. Devin? Second that. See. And you're hunting New Mexico. What's your name, though? Okay. Wyatt? Again? Again? I am not hunting New Mexico. Okay. Josh? I'm Josh, and I am hunting New Mexico. John? I'm John, and I am hunting New Mexico. Bronson? I'm Adam, and I'm hunting New Mexico twice. Twice. Twice. Twice plus a daughter. And I'm Jason, and I am hunting New Mexico. Yeah. All through the draw system. Yeah. Well, I'd say we won. We killed it. Yeah. It was St. Patrick's Day all over again two days ago. Around here. And our clients killed it, too. Yeah. Awesome draw. Yeah. All right. So, John, what else? Oh, I'm John. Hi, John. Don't end that with the L, dude. Sometimes they call me King John. King John.

If you're wondering why, listen to past podcasts. No, I keep the ship running and handle everything magazine and media and all that. Yeah, you do. Cracking the whip on us. Yep. When we need to be. Crack the whip on Logan, too. Logan? John's main job is telling me what to do. Oh, he needs to do a better job. Logan, put your right foot first, and then your left after that. Whoa! Cash.

Cash will crush in Logan. All right. Well, good work, John. John does a lot of our graphic design. All of it, actually. Well, as far as I know, maybe a little help from his brother. Both are a great team. But he's taught us a couple of tips. You and I have a couple of tricks. I would say we're designers, Bronson. How many years ago did we used to make this magazine and Excel spreadsheets? But that was a long time ago. I look at those every once in a while. That was at least 2017, because we started that way. I thought we did a good job. And what would happen is John would take the perfect numbers we gave him and interpret them in InDesign and bring them back to us, and they weren't perfect. So then he got mad at us and made us become designers. And so we can't call ourselves graphic designers, but we've dipped our pinky toe in the graphic design world. Hey. How's that?

Is there a designer that doesn't know InDesign? Then we're designers. Okay. Can you modify a picture in InDesign? If I wanted. I could do anything in this world that I want.

That's John's job, though, right? It's John. I just choose not to. Take out my red eyes. Or whatever. I choose not to. Okay. Well, anyway. Bronson. I'm Adam. I'm Adam. We know Adam. You've heard enough from me, too. That's right. I'm Jason. You guys can't skip like that. No. We're good. What do you want to know? We're good. They know. They know. 300 podcasts. I want to know where you were born. Monticello, Utah. Logan, Utah. Probably. There you go. Probably. Where the deer are plentiful.

All right. So I don't know. I don't know if that's not a good segue in, but maybe it is. No. All right. So let's talk about our membership drive, John. Adam, we just threw out this membership drive. It's unbelievable. The hunts we have in there are next level. Well, yeah, they are, and we always usually talk about it in the office. There's some species, at least, that are always we know are popular. Big mule deer, obviously big elk. Then we rotate some doll sheep, stone sheep, other wild stuff. We usually consult, you know, Josh, Devin, Cash, John, whoever, wants to weigh in on that. And also Devin, who obviously works with some of our outfitters. So we've got a big lineup here. And I don't know if we're, I don't know how deep we're diving. Well, just real quick. We got doll, what do we got? We got doll sheep, Alaska moose, muskox, Nevada deer, Colorado deer.

New Mexico, Acoma Reservation. Alberta, whitetail, antelope in New Mexico. And we're giving a crazy gear package away. All right. So you can go onto our website, Epic Outdoors, right, John? Epicoutdoors.com, and you can enter to win. I mean, it's pretty cool. I'm in charge of, you know, getting all the photos together and doing all the publicity on it. And as I'm putting it together, I'm like, muskox. There's so many cool pictures. I've never even, like, thought about doing muskox. How about the Canadian whitetail? Pretty awesome. Yeah, that whitetail that we let off with today is like, geez. Next level. Throw a couple droppers on each side. That'll get you killed. We all know that. Droppers get you killed, for sure. I think that's the overall takeaway from this is so many. A little lot. Dream hunts. Yep. These aren't fill or hard to sell.

These are most of these, a lot of these outfitters, I guess I won't say more, but a lot of them have a hard time even booking their hunts. Because they don't need a lot of help. They have a lot of repeats in some cases. Or just by reputation, their hunts are very high demand and book very far in advance. So, some of these we've had to do this for a couple years in advance.

We've got eight hunts along with a pair of antelope. Like, you know what I mean? So, it's pretty impressive. Plus a bunch of gear and guns and bows and all that with that gear package. All right. It's all live online now, right, John? And deadline's June 24th. We always do this one in June. It's usually a little after Father's Day. Sometimes it's been on Father's Day, if I remember right. But this year's going to be a few days after. Yeah. Okay. And you can go online. You can also check out our E-Mag. Right? E-Mag's up and going. May Magazine. Yep. June's going to be there quick. Not going to put a day on the calendar yet. Because Jason and I are still fine-tuning that. Then my feet are always. John, I'll use the fire if I say a day. You know, okay. King John. Oh, geez. I mean, when doesn't he give us a week or two? Like, hey, it's due in a week, you know.

And it's really due in a month or something like that. I don't know. We like to give him a hard time. He likes stuff early. And Adam and I get dragging our feet a little bit. But anyway, pretty awesome. Yeah, we got a mule deer on the cover. Killed in Idaho. We got several of the biggest bucks we know of. Killed in Idaho. In this particular magazine. We cover Idaho elk deer antelope. Wyoming deer antelope. Iowa, Washington sheep goat moose. So it's pretty awesome. Pretty packed. We got another one coming out here in a week. Week and a half. So. Might as well just quickly mention whatever deadlines. What's coming up in the next, should we say, week or ten days? Let's just rattle them off real quick. Is Utah next, Wyatt? Utah is next. The 25th. Kansas, we got the 26th. Oh, yeah. Then we're going to go into a few more towards the end of the month. What's that going to be? Montana.

Montana the first. And Idaho the 30th for moose sheep and goat. And Wyoming. Wyoming for moose sheep, goat, bison. And we'll go to that point in the program. Pretty awesome. You don't want to just rattle them off. It's pretty boring. I could give you all the maze right now. We'll be here another 15 minutes. It's pretty boring. Yeah. All right. So, what are we going to talk about? Do you want to go into the would-you-rathers for a minute, Josh? Or do we want to talk about some state stuff? Yeah. Yes. We've got all that on the agenda. This podcast is going to be giant. Let's talk about. Okay. So, Montana came out.

It's exciting. There's a lot of draws. Our members, we drew a lot. Wyatt, Devin, was it next level or what? It's been a busy time. It was unbelievable. Especially the general tags, obviously. But it gives a place for people to go. From what we've seen, it was easier this year to get the big game combo than it was last year. It did appear that way. We know for a fact people drew with one point. The limited draws were tougher. Many people. Which, last year, that was 0%. Yeah. So, kind of crazy. It wasn't 0% for the deer, but it was on the elk or deer elk combo. So, I don't know. That's because more people pushed them back that drew it. And there was that, you know, whatever it's called. Released. New retained. Yeah. Whatever verbiage. But something happened. More people. Well, people drew. Multiple. We checked the first time. They drew last year. So, yeah. There was a lot.

And it gives places for people to go. It's just an awesome opportunity for everybody. If you want to go hunting, you can. They're looking at changing some things up there for mule deer management a bit. They've had some meetings and whatnot trying to figure out, is it healthy to hunt deer in the rut? You guys think it's healthy to hunt deer in the rut with a rifle? No. Over the counter with general residents? Probably not a lot. Not for everyone. They're starting to realize that. I think some things are looking to change. The other cool thing is you can see what else you're going to draw the rest of the year until August 1st if you don't want it. If you draw something else, you can turn it back. For an 80% refund. There you go. All right. And then the exciting thing is New Mexico came out, and it was next level. Everybody got green. I mean, except for a couple of you.

I mean, green was prevalent here at this table. Did you apply, Logan? I didn't. Okay. So, you're not really at all. I'm like a gray. I'm like a gray spot. So, it's a non-issue. Six out of the seven at this table, Drew Tex. I'm sitting too close to him. This isn't fair. I'm sitting too close to him. What? Did you apply? I did apply. I applied for every species possible. Did you really? What? If I remember right, I don't know. I talked to you at one point during the application process. You were applying for next level hunts only. Well, did you do points only? Yeah. Points only in a non-point state.

Totally makes sense. Shouldn't have done that, Wyatt. Yeah. Well, what do we get? I'm just, we don't need to get into too specific. We don't mind. Let's start with Josh. Three deer tags. Josh, what'd you get? Three deer tags, three elk tags, a couple of orcs. I drew an elk tag. Okay. Maybe the highest desired elk tag in the state. Beat odds of 1 in 800 plus. Who knows? Who knows what they were. Last year, what, it was 0.12%. Put it this way, John. Why do you put them in those terms? 1 in 800 sounds so much more, I can wrap my arms around that number. It's just, it's ridiculous. It's something you do when you already have a kind of a full schedule. You go and moose hunting in Alaska and all the bow hunts are off limits. Normally, somebody would say you're living right. Are you living right? Oh, no. That wasn't the result. No. So, you drew the one, the one non-resident unguided tag.

The one. True. Yeah. I mean, it's funny. When I was looking at it, you see those and you're like, I wonder who that guy was, you know, or what a jerk. Sure enough. Yeah. Or like with the limited. Wyatt thinks you're a jerk. Oh, yeah. Just all the hunt planning going on all the way around, man. I got nothing. Wyatt's coding, working like he's supposed to be. We get preoccupied. We got. We got Onyx going. Wyatt's trying to chime in. New guns. Bow setups. Yeah. New species. First thing, Josh comes in, you know, draw tag means I got to get a new rifle. He's got a new rifle. We sent in here the other day. He's like, man, it's just something special about killing something with a brand new rifle. Yeah. Yeah. He's followed the 15-minute rule because within 14 minutes, we would have had a gun sold pretty easy. Yeah. It was close. Thought about it for a minute. Maybe even slip on it overnight.

Yeah. No, I don't know. It's one of those things. I had a weird gap there that fit. And with New Mexico, obviously, you get three choices. So, I'm a firm believer in just putting something what you would, I don't know why it kind of calls it a shoot for the stars type thing. You know, just put a hunt that would be a dream type hunt for you for a first choice in case you do get the lowest number possible to snag that tag. And that's what I did. Not even, basically forgot about elk. When I pulled it up, I literally thought like it was deer. When I saw green, I just immediately thought, oh, I drew one of my deer tags because I had several deer options that were a lot easier to draw. And so, that's what I thought at first. And then, in a real quick, we realized it was elk. And I was like, oh, I did. Did something help. This is not a cow tag. You can't draw a cow tag. It's a non-resident. No.

You knew. Pretty serious elk tags. It could have been a, yeah. Unit 2 or 53 or something. I don't know. Which had been fine. But it's not. It was one of the best in the state. Did you remember the hunt code right off the bat? No. You had to go back and check. What did I apply for? I won't say what I was doing at the time when I looked them up. You were eating a pink donut. Well, no. I just acquired those. And I was heading this way. But I don't know if you ever tried to drive and look up the New Mexico. No. Hunt regulation book. Downloading through the edge. Going up the ridge. Yeah. Going 82 miles an hour. At 61 trying to avoid traffic. Yeah. In the green ladder. Yeah. You may get a citation in the mail. Yeah. Anyway, it was a little exciting when I saw that code. And I just thought, you've got to be kidding me. Because you hear about it. And you talk about it.

And you tell people, that's why you apply. You know. But you're never that guy. And you were that guy. Kind of like those limited entry hunts in Arizona. Do they really draw winners for those? So, you're talking about the hunts that just went. Yeah. Last week. Just barely. One tag in like six different hunts. So, Wyatt. We know somebody that drew one. The very first year. But we're just nice to see a list of names. I don't know why that'd be nice. The negative Nancy and Wyatt's just saying, no, it didn't happen. It'd be nice to hear. In fact, I've been waiting to get an email. They don't do that. I'm still waiting. Yeah. But what happened is, we called in, and they actually called the people. They already did. They called them. So, you didn't get a call. And they said everybody responded. Why didn't they just say, we will call the winner within 48 hours.

And then I know, day three, I'm out. I didn't draw. Well, just so you know, you're out. Well, I know now. That's what you call false hope. But who are these people that got the call? If you got a call, call us. Should we challenge one of them to call? All right. So, let's do it. Anybody that drew. So, these are the special tags. What was there? Six of them out or eight out of there? Six. Elk and deer, antelope. If you drew one of these special tags that basically got divvied out a week ago. Not the last three years. Right. And it's a separate draw. You have to, if you remember, you had to type in your address. Do it two times when you check out with your credit card. 14 different. Remember your customer ID number. Not the old customer ID number. Remember how this has to be the accurate one. Anyway, if you drew one of those and you call in and let us know and you send us proof. Okay.

It could be a facsimile. Really? It could be a picture. I don't know. We get proof that you, in fact, drew one. Then let's give them something. Let's give them. Let's give them. Send them down a trail camera. Something. I don't care. You want a trail camera to Arizona. Okay. Ship them on down to them. Let's give them a trail camera. And then we'll buy it back from them. All right. So let's give them. I don't know. What do we've got a lot of, Josh, in stock? A vortex item of some sort? Or what are we going to give them? Or are we going to give them epic swag? I don't care. Give them something. Oh, let's give them some epic swag and some 10 by 42 vortex something. I don't care. Diamondbacks. A window mount. Literally. A window mount. Those are sacred. Oh, they are sacred. Those are hard to keep in stock. We have. Are they? Yeah. They're going pretty fast. They're going fast. We ran out.

I don't care. We could give them a dead gum window mount if they want one. We'll give them a window mount, a diamondback. Just call in. We'll make it worth your while. Give you some epic swag. If you can prove. We just want to prove that. And we're going to have to probably see. You can take a photo or something. But when the tag comes, we're going to have to see that those tags are actually issued in the name of somebody. Do we have one of those vortex, those small spotters that are pretty cool? Do we have a small spotter? I think we've got a couple. The first guy that calls in, let's throw them that little small spotter. That's a significant gift. And then thereafter, while supplies last, we'll make you deals. It'll be worth it. Get some stickers. But we want to know if this happens, right, Wyatt? Right. Yeah, we need to know. Okay. So this is going to go up Friday night.

That guy, the first caller, is going to have to be on the dot 8 a.m. Monday morning to get this. And you've got to remember, you Arizonans, if it's an Arizonan, I don't know who it is, but you're an hour behind us. I want to give the guy that drew the 12A, 12B tag, I want to give him some cash even. Bronson. Me and you and John. I want to know who that guy is. I'd say these guys are lucky enough already. That's a governor tag. I'm kind of bitter. That's a governor tag.

What do you got? You got a couple hundred bones a piece. Huh? What are they going to do with that? Spend it. They're going to need it for gas money. Burgers at Jacob's Lake. As Wyatt would say, they're going to slow roll the pines. Yeah. It's going to be a good time. That's for sure. It's starting August 1st. It's no joke. Huh? Yeah, you beat this year's GOV tag holds by 14 days. Pretty crazy. Pretty awesome. We just want to know who you are. That's right. Call in. The what-if scenarios were running rampant last week before that closed on what if you drew that thing. Yeah, we didn't get the call. And then we called Arizona and they said, Jesus, we have called everyone. And they accepted. And we charged their card. You're not getting a tag. Well, then that means they probably have a receipt. There you go. Prove it. Here you go. Just saying. Prove it. Well, yeah.

Screenshot your credit card deal. Give us access to your credit card statement. If we find out it's off. Our account will get with your account. All right. I like it, though. I like where we went with that. You said something about. We need to write down what we're willing to give. Window mount. What we said. Yeah. We're going to give away a window mount. Okay. Somebody wants a window mount. They are next level. Cash, thanks. The Vortex Spotter. That goes to the first one. To the first and only. And that, we open it for business. Hey, if they don't want the Vortex Spotter, take the window mount. Whatever. Right, Bronson? But on those lines, yes. Okay. We're done. We're done. On those lines, we talked about being out. Let's announce what we're no longer out of. Josh. The tripods. We'll give the background on. They did not last long. Let's give a tripod to one of these guys.

I don't think anybody's going to call. I think we're fine. Yeah. I think we're fine. We could offer a new car. We could offer $500,000. Okay. We're not doing that, though. I would offer $4,995. What? Dollars? If I would do the $5, if you'd come up with the rest. Okay. No. No deal. But let's give away a tripod, too, an epic tripod. We've got plenty in stock. Go ahead, Josh. Yeah, our tripods are back in stock. You know, we came out with them just before kind of the hunting shows this last year. Went to Dallas Sheep Show in Salt Lake. They did not survive once guys put their hands on them. They loved them too much, and everybody went home with one. The fact that we had a wait list, and we just got a bunch of those in yesterday. They were the day before yesterday and had to work through our waiting list of guys.

They had prepaid and had them, so we put them in the mail, and now we have a bunch sitting on the shelf. Their tripod and head are under, just under, four pounds. We're in the threes. High threes. Pretty next level. That'd be for the ultra. That's the larger one. That's the one I would recommend for most guys. It's kind of an all-around tripod. It's the one we all have. It's big, but it's not big. It'll be tall enough for a six-foot-five man or woman to glass from. Six-foot-five. Oh, boy. That's if you bend your knees. Yeah, it folds down to 18 inches in length. It's just under four pounds, so it's a pretty awesome tripod. Probably one that I would recommend to most guys first, and then we have our light tripod. Just under three pounds, and those are both of those with a head. There is a little different head on the light. It's got a smaller head.

But they're both rated for like 11 pounds. Oh, yeah, I've put a BTX on the light just to see. It'll hold it. It's just when you get that much weight, that high, any little bit of wind or things like that, it's affected. So it's made for a smaller glass. It's going to be sitting, those kind of things as far as it could go tall enough for some guys to stand. But it's just really lightweight and small. So anytime you do that, a little bit of wind movement, anything's going to affect it. So, yeah, if you're looking for something that's a true backpacking style or going to be in your pack for several days, something like that, you'd probably want to go with the backpacking one, or if not, the light or the ultra. Okay. Well, first come, first serve. We've got them in stock, and we'll send them out. We're sending them out every day by the dozens. And I don't know.

We're going to have to order more here shortly. I don't know how we blew through the New Mexico draws, and we didn't get around to Oryx. We didn't get around the deer. Yeah, exactly. There's plenty of talks. I mean, we all of a sudden diverted to Arizona, which is important. Yeah, you've got to rein it back in. Yeah, because none of us drew that, so who cares? We're like hammying over in the hedge right now. We're just ricocheting all over the place. We are. Got a couple other elk tags that were drawn. I like it. John, we don't have to draw the unit. John, Cash. Yeah, let's stay really high level here. You're using guns or bows? I'm using a bow. I'm using a bow also. Awesome. Awesome. And no slouch tags. Great tags. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. You guys are going to have an incredible opportunity. You both have. John, did you get the early archery or second? Early. Early. I was the second.

Cash, you got the second archery. It's awesome. Good work. It wasn't my first choice, but I got that one. Hard to get them. It's hard to even get a landowner tag nowadays. It's hard to buy your way into some of this stuff. So when you draw something like this, man, it was a pretty awesome day, wasn't it, Wyatt? Is that a joke? Well, I mean, it's a little dry. I'm sorry. So curious, though, Cash. Yeah. What choice was it on yours? Mine was a third choice, but I was in the guide pool. So I can't remember the exact numbers. It was one of like eight tags, I think, for non-residents, if I remember right. All right. A little easier. Somewhere around there. What choice was yours, John? Just curious. I can't remember exactly. I think it was the second choice, my second one. That's good. Josh, why are we going there? Because you drew your first choice. Well, no.

And I think we've heard skepticism about, well, go ahead. Yeah, just the process of how you do it and an easier draw tag. I've just, it's just one of those things that I think a lot of guys, I don't know. If you want to draw a tag, then you put some sort of an easy choice, whatever. But I would always recommend that you do something really good for your first choice. Because you can draw any of the three. We're proving it here, right? Yep. Unlike you, Josh, and me, six, seven, whatever years ago, I drew a first choice Ernie rifle like you that year. The first year a unit opened, and I drew it. But then like this year, I drew a third choice deer that was, it's just to have a tag in my pocket. I felt left out after all you all bought Arizona over-the-counter tags without me. And so I needed something. Bronson, you weren't available. Okay. Well, whatever the circumstances were.

Our voice, just give us your data. Whatever the circumstances were. Give us your stats. I'm the only one not going to the Grand Canyon State. We're not going either, boss. It's just something out of our pocket. Oh, so I'm just. Why am I going? I might end up going. He's got time. Yeah. But I don't know about us. All right. Well, but so anyway. So yeah, but you're right. You might as well rank them to some extent. Sometimes people put three really good archery elk tags, you know, like I kind of did this year. It was like, I want a good archery elk tag or nothing. I didn't get what I got. But yeah, if you're going to put an easier to draw unit down that's, you know, 10 or 20 or 50 times easier to draw. So don't put that as your first choice because you might as well let the draw work, see what your number is.

And in your case, Josh, you had a number that probably may have drawn any elk tag in the state. You know, I mean, it's that type of thing when you drew the only tag in your pool. So, but yeah, then gradually work down if you have something you're willing to accept and you're never incurring the waiting period there except for, you know, sheep and stuff. But you draw a tag this year, you're never burning points, you're not incurring the waiting period. If it doesn't turn out the way you like it or you don't even go, okay, no harm, no foul. Not the end of the world. That's the way I feel like I drew a third choice, Devin. What choice was yours? Do you remember? Third. Same type deal. It's something. Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. How about Oryx, Bronson? Yeah, that was. Good grief. You applied dual application with your daughter.

Yeah, and I've done, I've applied, I'm just going to lay this out there. There are people, haters are going to hate, but we're going to say it. I applied for Oryx for three times in my life. The last two years with Jason. I know, dude. I do. Bad luck. And well, no. You usually can't draw 50% draw tags, but then on like one in a hundred, one in two hundred, one in eight hundred. I know. You draw them. So this year, my daughter's always wanted Oryx. And, you know, when I had, you know, more kids, I was applying at the time. My boy, I'm not applying for a couple years right now. So she said, hey, I want, she's always one of those. So I said, hey, I'll put in with you this year, this year when we're going to apply. So I put in with her, told Jason the next morning, hey, I applied with my daughter. You're going to do your own thing. Don't wait for me. And I did.

And so I looked her up first and I saw green and I hope, I was hoping it was an elk tag because that's a long, long storied saga about me not ever getting her an elk tag. But it wasn't. It was an Oryx. And so I immediately. Like a good dad. Figured. Well, I immediately figured. Hit her up. I've got to hurry and look at mine because if she's green, mine better be green too. Yeah, it was. Yeah, we drew our first choice. That's crazy. You know, down on Rhodes Canyon. So that'll be really, really fun. Fun time with her next winter and unique opportunity. And it saves me a long flight to the dark continent.

Okay. Speaking, speaking of this daughter of yours. Oh, she told me she did one of these. She did a would you rather. She said she sent one in. I don't want to deter because we can go back to it, but I just feel like this is a good moment for it. Oh, I think we're ready for it. And I just feel like there's more to this question that I think there's a lot of more questions this question brings up. I'm just going to leave this. That would be a great time. Family matters or private matters? We've got some counseling. Logan's dad's a counselor. I'll hook you guys up. Friends and family discount. Pay for my Christmas. I think family discussions and items are taboo. I don't know if they're fair game here, Paul. We had a. So we did a would you rather question on Instagram. Had a bunch of stuff come back. We appreciate everybody doing. We got some awesome stuff.

And then we got some stuff that came from a Hallie Bronson on Instagram. Her question was. Anyway, I'll just go and read it. Walk to work in heels or drive to work in reverse? Wow.

I could crush it in reverse. That's where I'm going. I could do it. I'd probably get pulled over for doing it. But I ain't going to be seen in heels. I just didn't know if her confidence in her father to do either of these tasks was high. And it would be a tough question for him to answer. She's just being funny. Have you worn my heels before? No. Well, I mean. No. I mean, it's questions that people are going to have. These are pure hypothetical random questions. There was those pants we talked about. Never heels. There was an era there. The ones where we could read the year of the quarter in his pocket. Yeah, but there was no heels, I don't think. Hallie. That was not. That never happened. So, okay. Hallie, DM us the picture of your father. It didn't. She also, there was two. We ought to give her a gift if we get that picture. That's true.

There was another one she asked, too, that kind of went on to it. It said, would you rather give up showering or give up hunting? Oh, geez. How did she come up with that? Is this shower thing a common subject at the Bronson household? No. These are just random questions. No, they're not. I'm not giving up hunting. Yeah, that one's not hard. She's a grown adult now, Bronson. I mean, she might have some things. Cave Mary and her Native Americans. They didn't shower. Being raised in the Bronson household. They hunted for a living. Cavemen, Native Americans, Anasazi. They didn't need to shower. I mean, they might have jumped under a waterfall on a creek somewhere. They jumped in Colorado. But, I mean, geez, they hunted their whole life. They had to. So, that's amazing. So, what's your answer? I'm hunting for life. I will not shower anymore. Sorry, Hallie.

It's going to get a little smelly around there. There's still the bathing option. Is this? Yeah. You've got to know where this question came from. I mean, there's wet wipes and stuff. I don't. Have you guys talked about showering? No. No. I didn't know anything about this until last night. Is her hygiene questionable? Or does she think your hygiene's questionable? Neither. But I'm going to have a talk tonight. I don't know about why this is going to be grounded. Take her vehicle away. These are just. Oh, wait. She had a vehicle incident. You could get back at her right now. These are just pure would-you-rather questions. Just like random two things you draw independently and put them together and ask a question. They are not related. Hallie, I have a question for you. When your vehicle's going to get fixed, are you walking in high heels? Or what are you driving in reverse? That's right.

We can get back at her, Bronson. She's not here to defend herself. She was in a small fender bender in an amazing Bronson vehicle. It was not her fault. Or stomped at a red light and got crushed. Not her fault. Not her fault. But it's hard on a dad either way. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't make me happy. All right. So we're. Go ahead, Josh. Might as well dive into a few more. Really? We're done with it. Are we done? Well, we're done with New Mexico. We've got plenty more to go. I guess we could mention we did have Colorado results come out for sheep and goat. I ate some pretty exciting phone calls this week. That was pretty exciting. Why don't you bring up a few of those draws? So I had a really good client draw a sheep tag with very few points. That was pretty awesome. Actually, a ram he needed for a slam. That's awesome. We had multiple guys call in.

And it's pretty, it's heartwarming, but it's kind of a slight dagger too. At times, as you check off the non-resident drew in this unit, okay, that was my unit. Non-resident drew in this unit, okay, that was that one. And they just start getting checked off by our own clients. It's awesome. We had a number of goat tags. We had a number of sheep tags call in. Just incredible. How about that client? We had the same young man draw a mountain goat. A list of licensed application client drew a mountain goat tag in Colorado and a once-in-a-lifetime oryx tag in New Mexico. Back-to-back days. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Good people too. Yeah, really good people. Man, sometimes luck finds you. One of those reasons to have your name in the hat. Yeah, you've got to have your name in the hat. Logan, you've got to have your name in the hat. I've been doing better.

You're not going to get red and you're not going to get green unless your name's in the hat. I've been doing better. I got my name in the hat far more times this year. Yeah, you did. We're proud of you. It's awesome. All right, so Wyatt, you crushed it. You're right. Colorado came and went, but we do have more Colorado coming. Yes, and next month. So pretty awesome. Bronson, I think we should talk about, while we're on the state section, let's talk about the Wyoming sheep and moose and the stark reality there real quick, just for people who care about it. And then we'll jump into Josh and the would-you-rathers. Okay. Well, we know Wyoming moved their application period for moose, sheep, and goat until the end of April. They moved it mid-April last year, late the 30th this year. Primarily so you can let all the commission meetings happen, see the proposed permit numbers for

all species, even deer and antelope included, elk included, which you can tweak if you want. And I'll use that word as it's intended, not how you guys think about it, you Gen Zers. But anyway, so- Well, anyway. So- Logan, do you know what Adam's getting at? I do, yeah. Yeah, see? I didn't need to even pause. Okay. There you go. So a couple days ago, they had their commission meeting where they ratified their permit numbers, and they did change a few things from what was proposed, you know, added an extra day to the G&H deer hunt. It's 11 days instead of 10. And one of the things, because on their initial proposed permit recommendations, they did not have a random moose or bighorn sheep for non-residents going to be issued this year. The formulas just didn't allow for it. Yeah, it didn't allow.

They also have already run the super tag drawings up there, and if those are drawn by non-residents, they take them out of the quota that can get disseminated. Overall statewide quota. Yeah, the 10% that can get disseminated in the regular draw hunts. So that took a couple out, but what it did do, they shifted one extra tag from one moose unit and put it in unit 25. Took it out of five. Yeah, unit 25 is going to have the only unit in the state that's going to have a random moose tag, and that's good that there is one, but it is also a unit with a fairly dominant amount of private land. It's not like maybe 26 or something that has a lot of public land for self-guided hunters, but there is a tag. Unlike for bighorn sheep, there's not going to be one. There is not going to be a random tag this year, so apply accordingly. If you've already applied, I'm sorry.

If you're thinking about applying and you have mid to no points, I would frankly not do it. And if you are even considering doing a point, just do that in the summer. But lots still probably to... They could change their points. This puts a lot of people in a quandary of, I've got 15, 18, 20 points. It's like, does it matter? Well, if they keep the same system, it doesn't matter. No, but if they change, which, I mean, it's 150 bucks a point, so it's not just a light question, but if you do have, say, 22 or less, whatever, 21 less, whatever you want to draw the line points this year, you're not going to have enough to draw a max point tag anywhere. Probably, in all honesty, if you have less than 24, you're probably not. What's crazy about it is they give out their preference points tags before the random draw tags.

And so, you know, you'd have to have four non-resident tags to get one random tag. Yeah, that's what we're dealing with. The 75-25 split. And every unit either has one, two, or three non-resident draw tags being proposed this year, so they will all go to the preference point holders. That's what we're talking about. Where moose, there is one unit, and that is unit 24, 25. Sorry, that is going to have four tags. Three go to the max, one random. So apply accordingly, modify accordingly. Yeah, you can modify. So go in, everybody that has under 20 for moose. If you've already given them your money, you might as well switch to 25 because you're not, I mean, you basically lend them your money and... Switch to 25 or not, whatever. But if you want to draw, if you want a chance to draw, you should do that. For sheep, if you've got under 20, just don't...

If you've already paid and applied, you're just... Cooked. Short on luck. Yeah. So anyway, that's kind of an important thing. A lot of guys will keep gaining points in hopes that maybe down the road they'll adjust the point system. Maybe the way they're distributing tags, give out a random tag or two or more, and maybe guys will actually have a name in the hat, so to speak. So a lot of crazy things going on out there. You know, I guess the states are just answering to the resident call of limiting non-resident participation. You know, somewhat without regard to budgets and different things or whatever, or with regard. Maybe they just don't care. But anyway, we're doing that in a lot of different states, not just Wyoming necessarily. So that, we covered that, and we're going to be adjusting our own applications.

Also, you know, of course, Bronson, you know, and I've talked about, they went through a lot of the different quotas. And so there's things that... Yeah, there's some antelope changes on there. They will put their final regulations online. I haven't looked this morning. They weren't on there yesterday, but any day, in the next week. Before the 31st, they'll be on there definitely to be able to guide you on your elk and or deer and antelope selections to see what got passed. They didn't tweak a lot on the deer and antelope. They really didn't. There's a few things. Did change a couple things on elk. It might be interesting for somebody to hear about. Mostly quotas and one new entirely, but... Most people haven't even applied for deer and antelope yet, so it's all cool. No big deal. The elk, you already had to have been in by January 31st, and you have until May 8th to modify.

So do it if you want. If you don't, no big deal. Just throwing it out there. Kind of interesting to watch these things happen. Let's talk... Let's do some would-you-rathers, Josh. You got a few more? Yeah, there are some. They're actually fairly pertinent for, I guess, guys that are... There's some kind of directly... Let's do the ones that are directly related to you. To me? Yeah, I don't see any. So... Yeah, that's the way I figured it would go. Boy, that's why I never did receive that one. My name was not used in any of these. How about Hans Redbush? Nope. Nope. There was no Viking vernacular. Okay, so... But there are some that were related to Utah draw, where it's coming to the end of the line, and you've maybe already applied and want to amend before. No, this is good. I like these. Bronson likes the amend process. I think you amend just to amend. No. Well, no.

I usually have a method, but sometimes if I'm sitting down and applying, you know, a family of five or something for Nevada or Utah, I love just getting everything in there and not have to have one or two lingering, knowing that I can change it. What I like about Nevada and Utah both, I guess, is you don't have to pay extra. Utah changed that a couple years ago, and it's been nice. You can just... But I hate having to go find the confirmation number with Utah. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you can go in as if you're applying and grab that in the previously submitted app section down at the bottom, but I still hate it. It's nice if you get a surprise of some kind in another state, in New Mexico or something, and you're like, oh, that's not going to work with this hunt or whatever, and you can move things around. It's definitely nice. A couple of you guys are, you know...

Probably be a men. A men of you guys have archery elk tags, or Josh, you, or these earlier deer tags. My Oryx doesn't really have anything. It overlaps. But yes, those all... You probably don't want another late September archery elk tag, Josh. Is yours over lap New Year's? When is it? I forgot. Is yours around... It's later January. Yeah. All right. All right. So, here we go. Here's one of them. This one came from... We reserve the right to remain silent. On what? On any of these questions. Yeah. Oh, okay. Just fine. You're pretty pointed when you're trying to... Well, Josh, he just has this smirk about him. They've been laughing for two days. You're talking to me about hygiene, heels, and lots of that, and what's the rest of the story. Kind of like Paul Harvey would dig into, but I don't know where there's no rest of the story. I'm just interested. I don't know.

Usually, when a Bronson brings stuff up, it's been a family topic for a year or two. No. It's usually just something we watched on Nacho Libre, probably. Okay. Okay.

All right. So, no. As long as we get an answer from Wyatt out of all these, that's all that matters. Let's go to Wyatt. Straight to Wyatt. So, this one's from Brandon Hanson, 86. He says... I'm guessing this is a personal question to him, so it'd be good to answer. Henry's Muzzy or Rifle? No brainer. I can answer that in about a point. No brainer. How many milliseconds could you answer that? Don't have to think about it. Henry's Muzz. Boom. Yeah. Everything's dead by the rifle. You guys have hunted that. So, right, Wyatt? Yeah. Guided it, whatever. Lots. I would even do that. It's a mountain. Even now, and I said this back in 2013, 14, 15, when you had to use open sights or one powers, I still would go muzzleloader then, even by taking the scopes off now. You just get to hunt sooner. You get to hunt more of the bucks that are still alive and pre-scouted, the ones that the archer did take.

It's very stockable, glassable, killable. Yeah. I mean, Wyatt, you're only one stock on your buck. Yeah. Got lucky. I don't, and you did, but at the same time, it's very glassable stock. Oh, yeah. It's huntable country. Yeah. All right. Cool. That's done. Check. Here's another one that's somewhat related to that one as well. Limited entry deer, San Juan Muzzy or Oak Creek Premium?

Oaks didn't have premium. Well. You hunt every season. I mean, it's hard. I, okay. I mean, I. Is that your final answer? I probably would. I mean, I'd love to hunt with the bow. Last year, Oaks was a little off, but it cycles a little, but there is pressure. And teams. Anyway. Depends on how secure you are. San Juan Muzzy, I'm taking every day of you. The caveat there is how secure is that gentleman's marriage? Because a premium multi-season tag could probably finish something off. His handle was hunting on the brain. So, I don't know. Hunting on the brain. Well, I don't need to know even who it is. I'm just saying. No. If he was, he's probably married. You give yourself 28 days of the bow, nine days of the muzzleloader, and then the rifle hunt kicks off. I mean, it's, I'm just, we're all, we all been there, done that. And you haven't even left the same unit.

It's like having a super tag in Idaho. Any open season, you're never done. Yeah. So. Kill one to end the pain and suffering. I'd take it. Just to have multiple seasons. Okay. All right. Wyatt, what would you take? I think I'd go with the Oak Creek Premium. Oh, I like it. Devin? Same. Same. Yeah, I would too. All right. Three weapons is better than one. I'll take the one San Juan muzzle that's left. Okay. All right. Got it. Josh. I like these. They're simple. They are. How about a Boulder Kaparowicz Dedicated, which is probably the best deer unit in the state currently, or Poncigon Archery. It does not beat the Abajo. What do you? It does not beat the Abajo. Time out. What are you trying to sway here, boss? Let me just say this again. A Boulder Kaparowicz Dedicated. This is how the racks work, and this is how all the DWR works. Subliminal messages, or if not force-fed. Well, yeah.

Josh just force-fed the world what his agenda is. So, the Boulder Kaparowicz Dedicated, which means that allows you to hunt muzzle loader, archery, or rifle on the entire unit of your choosing of there, or Poncigon Archery. Wyatt's called his Boulder. I guarantee you that. Poncigon Archery. Come on. Ponc Archery. He loves Ponc. Well, I'd do that, too. Tell us why we're talking about that, Bronson. Whoever wants to talk. What don't you like about the Ponc Archery?

What I don't like about it is, unlike an Oak Creek or Henry's, the bit of a glass, scout a ton of bucks, glass bed, spot stock. It's not as good of that unit for that. It's more a slow roll of the what? The pie. That's right. Slow roll of the pints. Or shorter, get out, make your play out of your side-by-side. But it's so fun. Slow roll of the pints. I don't know. You even said, like, it's one of the fun ones. It's one of the fun ones. Not as good as the other, though. Lots of bucks on the unit. Yeah. It is. And it's got good. And I do think this year is going to be amazing. I think it's going to be amazing. There's going to be 220 bucks alive. Well, and I think a lot of other units in 2G. I don't want a single unit out. Can you really say that about Boulder? No. That's a general, huh? Who's asking this? This is not even, that's not even a fair one. Alex underscore Millward. But with 30.

Alex, what do you think? But with 30 bucks for 100 O's, there's got to be some giants. Okay. If he's looking at what's on paper, we're just telling the paper's wrong. I'm saying this in jest. I'm just making sure everybody's picking up on my sarcasm. Okay. All right. I'm smelling something. So this one, this one's a good one. This one's. I still think the above is next level. Go ahead, Josh. Go ahead. After the man tie. Brendan, Brendan BJ says, this one's directed to a personal, a person here. So. Is he being nice or mean or facetious? What's he doing? Would John Wayne, in parentheses, Wyatt. I like it. Wyatt Earps. John Wayne. It's really, it's really Wyatt Earps. It's true. Would you rather face a brown bear with your new 10 millimeter or do late archery Dutton elk?

That is a good one. I do need a brown bear. Good boy. Wyatt. You need a Utah elk tank too. And Wyatt, he followed an archer with no firearm backup on a grizzly and predator called. Yeah. So I don't think he fears bears. It worked out for us. What would you say, Wyatt? Let's see the final answer. Ooh, I'd like to have an elk tag in my pocket, but I don't know that Dutton late is. You hate it. One that's high on my radar. You lost him at late. Yeah. You love it. Wyatt likes to be warm. Yeah. What I really like is I like the way that podcast membership knows the past conversations and knows what's disdain. Aversion. Aversion. Aversion. Or any of us. But it is a good opportunity for the tough guys. Right, Wyatt? It is a good opportunity. There's got to be many for Jason only. So you'd rather gun down a bear? Well, you haven't even shot that thing yet, remember?

I mean, if it's not on your leg. Yeah, you better.

We gave each other consent. If there's a bear touching us any way, shape, or form, you shoot. I don't know if I can hit this. If you hit me in the leg. You hit me. It's okay, Wyatt. If he dies, he dies. Exactly. But don't let me die in the jaws of Ursus Horribilus. Yeah. If it's a bullet, it's a bullet. At least you're giving yourself a chance. As in the Rocky movie. If he dies, he dies. That was a good one. Keep them coming, Paul. I think this one's probably directed at Jason. Why do you guys? I don't want to answer it. Wade Burdick, 212, says. Pretty much said his name right there. Jeez. There's a 212. Colorado, Unit 18, third season. Probably killed a 212-incher. That guy's for real. Right there. Colorado, Unit 18, third season. Or anything else. I took the meat wagon. I thought the kids were going to kill stuff. Unit. Then all of a sudden they became trophy hunters.

All right, go ahead. Unit 171, 173, Nevada archery. Oh. I'd go to 18 every day of the week. I ain't going to the Arc Dome. I'm not.

Have you seen how wet Nevada's been this year? Archery. Jason? Yeah. You get to go first. You get to go first. Okay. Okay. I guarantee you there's a giant in 17. I guarantee it. Well, why would you go there? I don't need one that bad.

That stuff's next level. But you could probably kill the one around the base. Who knows? You don't have to go to the top. But it is no joke. There's guys that glass at the base and they're looking four miles straight up. Tell me I'm wrong. Well, that's a good one. There's one I feel like. Not really. It's for Adam. This is from SC Jenks. And he asks, New Mexico 5B or Wyoming 128? Well, that's ironic. Yeah. Interesting. What? 5B, though. When did he send that? I was just here this. When? Yeah. Okay. Does that make sense? Right after we called it. He has one of those tags right now. If I'm not mistaken.

Well, I've never hunted 5B.

And I've hunted 128 a couple of times. Once for me. 128 is like the Garden of Eden or whatever. Yeah. You're going to see a lot of deer. I hunted a game. In general. Yeah. Six or seven years ago for me. Last year with my brother. And you see, it is like Mutual Omaha Wild Kingdom. There is stuff everywhere. You've got deer. You've got elk. Sheep. You've got antelope. You've got sheep. You've got grizzlies. You've got moose. You've got everything. It is really. Aaron and the grizzly story. Next level. Hey. That's what spurred on the whole 10 millimeter movement. I know. That incident on the 28th. I know. It was an early. He went up there. Sitting on a four-wheeler. Yeah, yeah. Well, the guy drove up to him and he says, you might want to get in the truck. And Aaron's like, what do you mean? Are you going to get in at me? He gets in the truck.

Aaron turns to all the grizzly walking right up behind him. Didn't he walk between the four-wheeler and the truck while they were in the truck? Yeah. So anyway. Jeez. That's a digression. But I think probably the potential to shoot a real big deer feels a little better in 5B to me. You're not going to see near the number of animals probably at all. No. The dates, if they were obviously a week or 10 days later in 5B like the youth hunt is even or two weeks, whatever that is, it seems to be quite a bit different by then. So just like 2B. 2B ending in early November versus the late November youth hunt is dramatically different. You hunted it and you see hundreds of deer. Yes. Maybe even hundreds bucks. Yeah. I don't know. Hundreds. Hundreds bucks. Probably over the course of what you see. And you have yet to see a 200. No. I haven't. So that's, I mean, not that a 200 is giant. But anyway.

So I. Just kind of feels like it's got a limit a little bit to that. Yeah. When people call in and talk about unit decks or unit Y with us a lot, you sometimes got to get to know the person. Some people need seeing a lot of deer and bucks and passing to keep themselves even motivated to go on. Or keeping themselves from not just getting in the truck and driving home. Some people like to see deer. Some people don't. Yeah. Some people are okay hunting a little bit lower densities of deer. But for the potential. And knowing the potential there. And I'm more in that category. So I'd probably lean that way just based on where five bees at. I think if you're going to have. There's been. I mean, I can name. We can name multiple. 200 to 215 type bucks. Yeah. In the last five or ten years killed off that unit. And that really. You max out about 200. Depending on the year. You go there.

And you're just like. And it could be a total disappointment. The only thing. Yeah. Wyoming, it's hard to have a bad experience. And the one thing I will say. Yeah. You do get a 20 days in November there. And you got five days in New Mexico. It is over fast. And so. And the winter kill wasn't significant in 120. No. Necessarily. So. No. So anybody that's saying. Well, yeah. They're all dead. No. They're not there. They're not dead there. Short answer. I'd probably pick 5B for the upside. Even though for probably 80% of people. They're going to enjoy a 120 hunt. 8 hunt better. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. This one everyone has to take a shot at. This one comes from Matt Reg. He said, would you rather forget one sock for a hunt or one glove? Late season high country mule dare. Oh. I'm going. I'm dead. I'm dead either way. I know I'll die. I can put your hands in your pocket. No. Glove.

No question. You'd lose a glove? You got to have socks. I would take. I need the socks. I would go home if I didn't have socks. You got to have socks. You got to have socks. I'd make them. I'd make them out of my t-shirt. Whatever it takes. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. That's bad. Wyatt? I would definitely be a glove. Giving up a glove. Giving up a glove. Cash? Glove. I mean, that's no question. Who comes up with that kind of a question? It's interesting. You must be trying to save weight. Jason's idea of making one. It doesn't mean anything. It's just a good job in your pocket. But these people lay awake at night thinking about this stuff. Keep them coming, Paul. We're not going to get these done. You probably won't do another part, too. But that's all right. Look at Pollock. He's just perusing. You're gleaning. You're skipping. You give me that list. Why is he the reader guy? Give me that list.

That's my job. He's the question reader guy. I was designated. I'm going to log on our account. I was designated as that. I'm going to log on our account. Is he leaving any out that are directed at him? Logan? There is not a single one directed at me. Who put him in charge of this? I got one for Pollock. This is a question that was raised on my Instagram. Would you rather a Vias Caldera early rifle or a Panguich muzzle? Well, that's a late. I mean, that's not even a flip a coin. I don't know. I've never been to the Vias Caldera. I may go there someday. I've been on the Panguich. I would love a tag there. I did pick that. It's 12 days in the rut. I don't know. He's stumped. Teddy gets to sleep in his own cabin. He's stumped. Josh, where do you live again? Currently in Panguich.

It's pretty easy. I heard the dam's a little weak up there. You've got your food storage above water level? I'd probably take the Panguich tag first because I've been there and know it. But maybe someday I'll make it to the Vias and I'll have a different opinion. Okay. Well, there you go. There's your answer. Muley's 49. Okay. Go ahead.

Does that mean he's skilled 49 in his lifetime? I have no idea what it means. I didn't name him. I didn't name him, Bronson. Oh.

All right. Go ahead. Hey, come up with another Pollock one real quick. Okay. This is getting old right here. Let's see. Just let him start answering a few. Would Jason. Yeah. Here we go. There we go. Rather shoot a 180-inch three-point or a Himalayan snowcock. Oh, snowcock every day of the week. What? Snowcock. I totally want one of those. I don't need 180-inch. Why don't you make it happen this year? Take your kids over there and crush one. I do. There is a buddy of mine in New Mexico. His goal is like a book three-point. Well, that would be cool. Well, that's a 190 net. That would be really cool. That's the next level. Really cool. Take one of those. Yeah. But a Himalayan snowcock? Dude, we're in. We're doing this. Huh? That beats the archery deer hunt every day of the week. Well, go do it. Don't just talk about it. Hey, you're going to... I've got a full schedule.

You can't fit one bird into your schedule? They are a bird, but you're dang lucky to get one. It's going to take you weeks, if not a month. Go do it. Backpack hunt. What? My luck is I'd wound one. I'd wing one. I wouldn't even be able to collect it. I wouldn't even get a gripping grin, huh? Let's say you killed a Himalayan snowcock. Would you eat it? Because you're kind of ruining it. You probably have to, don't you? You want to take care of it. Well, they're probably... I don't know. What's the want and waste language on a Himalayan snowcock? Probably eat the edible parts like everything else except for piles. But you want to mount it. You want to freeze dry that thing. You don't mount it with the press in it. Well, I mean, so... I've never skinned one out so I could mount it. How is that going to work? Josh, is a turkey or bird... I don't know. You're taxidermist.

If you waste the turkey, you're in for it. But what about a Himalayan snowcock? If you want to preserve it for a mount, how do you extract the edible portions of meat from a snowcock and still hand it to a taxidermist? That's a good question. What if you eat the legs? You want to have the original leg? I am not a bird taxidermist, A. And B, they need to go in the freezer until they make it to the taxidermist. Even with the breasts in there. Yes. They need to go in the freezer. And then you cross state lines. We want to waste a wildlife. On a Himalayan snowcock, one of the most special-priced species in the world. Tag it. The most succulent meat of all kinds. Gizzard and all. The ribeye of the rubies. Do you think they have gizzards? The ribeye of the rubies. They're a beautiful bird. Look at them. That's it? I was envisioning something much more... They're kind of a grouse.

Yes, like a rough-legged grouse. They don't even turn white? They're kind of a grouse-chuckle mix. I was going to say, it looks like a goofy-looking chuckle. Sage grouse mixed with a chucker. They belong in Nevada. They're big. Look at that guy. That is not a... Well, look at that guy's crying right there. No, he's not. It's no joke. He's... Dude! He killed one. He's cheering. And that was a significant bird. For all you listeners that are wondering what the H we're listening to, it's just Google Himalayan snowcock on Google. And hit images. This is not a joke. That's right. No, they're cool. Definitely need one of those. Now, if we went 193 point... And depending on how it's built, if it's blade... It's got blades. I mean, seriously. Jason, if it nets 190, it's built well enough to shoot. Would it be a back fork or front fork, though? It's a back fork. What do you want?

I want the great big freaking bladed G2s. Okay. And then a normal front fork. What do you want? I think you've got to go front fork. You'd like a front fork. I would choose that, too. I mean, if you don't have a G4, you have just this one tang coming around. Come on. It's pretty hideous. And if there's a basal point or a big old burly eye guard... We should find out any that are in the book, which one are front forkers or back forkers. If anybody's killed a book, three point, and it's in the book. Send us the Binnocrocket score sheet. It's proof. And you're going to win a small epic tripod. I want to see it. I want to see it. And we'll publish it on our social media. And it's got to be ratified by our... Write that down. We're giving crap away like it's our job. It's got to be ratified by our friends within Binnocrocket Club. It can't be... Well, we could go look it up.

Well, yeah, we could. And they've got the score sheets on there. And Wyatt is an official measure of Wyatt. See, look at that single fork. Yeah, the eye guard. That isn't going to net. No, that guy's got a slick shank on one side. I mean... It's not going to net. A snow cock every day. Yeah. Like, I don't see many three... There's one up there. That ain't one that we're not even talking about. No. No. They've got to be billed a certain way. Yeah. Eight by eight. The answer is... Triple eye guards, 35 wide. Something like that. Yeah. All right. This one's a pretty good one. This one's... There's some... There's some experience coming from this one. So, R. Barnes 8 says, 2006 to 2008 era Pavant elk tag. Ooh. Wyatt? Did you see Devin look up? Oh, yeah. You both of you guys. It was no joke. Hey, what were you... How old were you two back then? I graduated in 2005. Graduated from where?

So, you were in your... Wait. Can we just call it your prime? From middle school or high school? High school. Sorry. Devin? Would you consider that your prime? Like, the first year I hunted the Pavant was 2005. We killed a 408, and I was... I didn't graduate until 07. Wow. But you were... You... You what? So, what are you saying? I had my learner's permit. And you... But were you driving by yourself? Your mom had to run you down and drop you off at the Fillmore gas station to get picked up by Wyatt and the other people? The Fillmore... Did you know Wyatt? I wasn't even there. You knew Wyatt then? No. You didn't know Wyatt? No. I met him in 07. Were you both spotters, but on different knobs? How did this work? You were with someone else at the time. Was Wyatt not there at the time? I was not there at the time. You were spotting or helping somebody else, and Wyatt wasn't even there.

But anyway. So, yeah. Devin... So, then what were the other significant bulls you can remember why, or Devin, from 2006 to 2008? We'll call it 5 to 8, whenever you started, Devin. I mean, it was... Lucky Beamer. Yeah, they were just... I mean, just big bulls. That time frame, too. We were passing 380s. Yeah. Daily. The broadband... Like... Stupid. Yeah. Denny's, couple 4s. When was Jim? Banana. That was the same era right there. Yeah. Like... What was banana? We'd go 11 or 11. He was a state record typical for a while, or I guess... Until the bookcliffe bull got smashed. Yeah. And that's no joke. That bull is no joke. Straight 6. We've killed mid-380s on the last day. Yeah. Multiple times. Okay. So, that tag, or what's B? Or a mid-90s West Slope Colorado deer tag. So, mid-90s was back in the OTC. That's... It was not a... How about we say... More like... Let's say... Let's say 2005.

2004, 5, 6. I was going to say, probably the same era. Same era. Same era. Same era. Gunnison. We'll just leave it Gunnison. It was... 2004 to 2006. Okay. So, same time frame. The problem is these guys... They can't even remember. No, but these guys lived... This is a bad topic for these two. They saw... Devin was 15 years old, dropping 409s with hunters. I mean, he was... This is... Devin, were you... Not by myself. I know, but I'm just saying... But you were in on it. That's when your hook was set deep, right there. I was like... This is what I want to do for my life. It was something. And it was never going to end. That's the one thing I contend is when those eras come, you think they're never going to end. You think your Nevada's era is never going to end. You think Colorado's never going to end, and then it ends.

And then you fight and claw your way to get it back, and they can't get it back. They can't get it back. I was on the Pavant in 2008, and it was like, what happened here? What do you mean? It changed fast. Did it start? Yeah. Eight, nine. I mean, it still is probably better than it is today, but it was over fast. It was over a couple of years. And a bunch of other things. That's what... There's a question. This next question is actually kind of... So what did we pick? Did we pick it? No, we didn't pick it. We need to finish it. We'll take an 07 elk tag on the Pavant. For sure. Early rifle. Yeah, 07 elk tag. Okay. And maybe we'd get lucky enough to kill a Pollock bull. I took an 07 elk tag. Was that yours? Really? Was that 07? Not on the Pavant, but yeah. That was the same. That's when you smashed your faux hundo? Yeah. Oh. Utah was killing double-digit 400 bulls a year. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

We remember it. We just didn't have any way... We killed... I was guiding out on Southwest Desert in 03. Oh, 1, 2000. 1, 2, 3. San Juan. Some of that, but... So what are we talking the Colorado deer at that point? What was that? 2004 to 6 was... My dad killed a buck. I glassed up and found a buck in Gunnison. It was 220. Mostly 4-point frame slick shake. No eye guards. 220 incher. That was also... That was 54. 54. But that was... Did you kill a deer that year, Jason? I may or may not have.

Bronson? It all comes around, boss. So I... That was... I've already told the story. Yeah, we have. I had a pair of 15s, and I glassed a buck up at 103 yards. And I thought he had 14 basal points, and they were tiny knobs that were 2 centimeters long.

Waka. Waka. Anyway, and... Some people kill giants. Some people don't. That was me. But anyway, it was... 2005 was the center of it. It was the epicenter. And the winner of 2007-8 crushed it. It's never been the same since. Just kind of... Different reasoning. I remember I hunted Colorado in 2007, and it was unreal. What unit did you hunt? I can't even remember. Do you remember? It was a lesser long second choice. Do you remember? It was a second choice. I know exactly the unit he hunted, but... But it doesn't really matter. It was anywhere. I had to go to Walmart and get more shells. But it's so sacred. We're still keeping it a secret two decades later. You've never been back? You know what? I don't have to divulge anything. You're not going to pressure me into it. I've done it before. I know. These are sacred places. I get it. It's not really sacred. It's just sacred to you.

Go out there and find it. It's like what Josh said. This isn't sacred. It's not a secret, but it's sacred. Yeah. Right? Exactly. Something like that. I don't hold back many details, but... I've changed. Where you've littered brass on a mountainside, that's sacred. So come on. Did you just lay it and let lead fly? I just said he had to go back to town to buy more bullets. More bullets. So he littered the countryside with brass. There's probably still some there. I could probably show you. You know that whistling sound that he talks about when you run an action? That's what he learned about that. What did he call it when he was whistling? No, it's zinging. The zinging. When you shuck a rifle, we should go get one. That's a proper zing. And it turned your crank. Some have them, some don't. So every gun that comes through the office, Devin has to put the first scratches on the bolt.

We're not scratching them. I just look things over. He's working it over. We want him to. I do too. What does he do? He hits the butt, makes sure that the... Muzzle trap's tight. The brake's tight. Runs the bolt a few times. Devin? Squeezes the trigger. And then he wants it. He's more meticulous than I am. And he looks for stuff I don't really know. We don't even know what we're looking for. I go on feel more than I do construction. But what did we do yesterday? You tested it. You closed your eyes. You read two different bolts. And he picked the right one. But I didn't buy that gun. I bought a different one. Titanium. Yeah. I like it, though. I was a sucker. I'm wondering where the bottom is. The bottom of what? Your wallet. There's a bottom. We haven't found it yet, Bob. If you let it go... I looked. The last long raffle I bought was in March of last year. So I made it a year.

Oh, never mind. I forgot. I got a Reaper.

I did get a Reaper gun. I did get a fold-up. You did. But... A couple of shotguns, I recall. Have you even shot the Reaper? 10 millimeter. I got it like a month ago. Is your scope even on? No. At least I mounted my scope. No, it's not. But I haven't bought another gun yet, either. Okay, well... It's sitting at home in your basement. It's ready. It's ready. In your own words, what do you call guns? Logan, where's my scope and mounting kit? You cleaned this place. What do you call guns? What's a synonym for guns? No. Food storage. Oh, yeah. I like it. It's true. It's just like... Janet's sick of it. It's like gold bars in a safe or guns. But what I think's funny is I went down to grab some ketchup in our food storage, and it's next level. The food in our house is next level. And I'm like, I don't feel so bad about my guns. I know. I couldn't even walk in there.

You don't want to divulge too much. About food? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to kill anybody that comes and steals it. There's so many guns. He's got a reaper for that. Alarms, guns. Trust me. Whatever. You can have the ketchup, but you're not getting out alive. All right. Where are we at? Did we answer the right questions? Yeah, we did. We answered. We got snowcocks getting killed. These are good questions. I got bulls getting killed left and right. So this one's similar to what we were just barely talking about, so we might as well get it off of there. GT Outfitters underscore Cody says, current Utah elk management plan or 2000 to 2010 management? 2000 to 10? Well, we just kind of answered that. It's completely different. The problem is you were dealing with low populations and we could have rut hunts for the limited tags that we're giving out.

We didn't even have late rifle hunts probably in 2010. No, and you weren't hurting anything. And then at some point your populations outrun your tags and you can't give more tags than the rut without hurting your quality. Well, and without adding more opportunity outside the rut. We started hunting Utah in the rut. Five tags, 10 tags. Put them in the rut and have them have an awesome experience. Because there was limited populations. Then you had to have some archery before that. Then the muzzle before, after that. Then you're like, all right, we got to add some November hunts. Then we need to add a bunch of tags because our populations are outrunning us or our bull to cow ratios. It was a sheer accident. Yeah. That got as good as that era. Well, I think a huge difference is back then, most of the units you didn't kill 70% of the spikes. Yeah, we weren't spike hunting either at the time.

So every bull was going to either die of natural causes or mature to be killed by somebody. Now we're shooting for hundos when there are spikes. Yes. On every unit in the state. Yeah. So I think that's big. So it's different. The times have just changed. So his point is, you want to go back to those times? Yeah, I want to kill a bull like Pollock. You know, but you also couldn't draw back then. Yeah. Like there was no tags. You can't issue rifle rut tags and issue 50 or 100 in a unit and think you're going to have any quality at all. So now we've got to where we had to get creative on how to take the bulls but still allow people to hunt the rut because that's what we were raised on because nobody likes change because they've been saving 20 points for this particular moment. Everybody got their chance to hunt it in the rifle rut.

I'm just about to get mine and now you're going to jerk the rifle rut on the way. And then I'm going to scream, kick and scream. I'm getting so mad. And then you've got landowners telling us that they're being ate out of house and home even in wet areas. You know what I mean? So there's so many challenges. Well, and it was taking, I mean, the thing about it too was when I drew that tag in 2007, I think I had 11 points or something. And that same tag this last year took 21. Yeah. So yeah, it was just, it's almost like you can't compare them in some ways as far as just the number of people out there that are applying, the number of tags, the number of elk, everything. It was just too, it's like they're too separate areas. So I like, personally, I think we should change, but we can't do it. Utah won't allow it. People have built, you know, livelihoods and family traditions on the spike hunt.

You know what I'm saying? So it's not like, I don't think there's ability to change. No. I like Arizona or New Mexico. They give, New Mexico, they give shortened seasons outside the rut with a few that are really close to the rut. Archery in the middle of the rut, a couple of archery seasons in September, and they give a plethora of tags and still have big bulls. Paul, you're going to hunt big bulls. If we were starting over. You got big bulls on your unit, Cash. John, you got giant bulls. There was a 3-7 killed on your unit last year. If we were starting over and knew what Utah elk were going to grow into in terms of populations and stuff statewide, you would not have started out with the first and only hunt that we're going to offer is nine-day rut hunt in September. That was the first one. With a rifle. With a rifle. And then you added archery, muzzleloader after that.

So then every day in September was taken. Every day in the rut, you're killing them. And then that got ingrained for 15, 20 years. The muzzleloader hunt during that time. Remember, the muzzleloader hunt was during the late hunt. So there wasn't a rut muzzleloader hunt. But they moved it. But they moved it. And then you've got technology. Then they replaced it with a rifle. Then you've got technology. And now you've got two rifle hunts, basically. Muzzleloaders with scopes or whatever. There's so many challenges. It's like. I think to start over, you would say, all right. Archery is kind of in every state. We know it's the least effective. I know people can get into the whole wounding debate. The rifle hunters are going to blame for four times as many elk killed with bow than tags given. That's stretching the truth to some extent.

But, you know, that whole premise that use those weapons in the rut and then October, November, rifle muzzleloader stuff. Ideally, that's where we would start if we had to start over again. And look at Nevada. Look at how they're able to maintain with a limited resource. They've never really ever had a rifle. Only they rotated. Like Area 16 or whatever. Early Table Mountain. They tried rotating them. Then they had them. Then they eliminated it. But they know it's not proper, necessarily. With low. Yeah. You just. They don't have. Near the elk. And you'll kill a .400 in the late rifle over there. Like, it's not. You know, it's not. It's just not the same. But now you've got expectations. This is Utah hunting. This is what I grew up with. This is what we raised our families on. We have too many people entitled to the point investment for two decades. But give us those times back.

Give us those times back. But I don't think that management fits the current population and where we're at today. Not when you're killing 70% of spikes. Yeah. His point is, is he's disgusted. I guarantee you he's disgusted with where it's at today. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot of other reasons for it. And he knows this, too. He's a good dude. I mean, it's just. He knows what he's. He knows where he's getting at with it. I don't think we should kill all these spikes, necessarily, before they become branch bulls. I don't think we should. We have a mid-season now. Why can't there be a mix there? But I don't know. That's a hard deal. But because of the backlash. It's just like, why can't we grow deer? Why can't we? Why can't we? Why do we have to deal with an uphill battle on proper deer management or whatever? You know? Because there's so many fingers in the pot.

The game and fish dictate who's on the rack, who may or may not vote the way they would like them to vote. Things like that. If they don't go with the public, you know, and don't represent the public properly, case in point, our rack here in the southern region. You can go watch it. The majority of the public don't like the way it's going. Don't think we should vote a certain way. They vote the way the division wants them to vote. And so it's just, at some point, you lose the fire for it, to a degree, or the potential, or the chance of seeing the change. Am I wrong? No, yeah. That's a little bit different argument, because we're talking general deer versus quality elk with managing opportunity. I mean, I grew up hunting general season elk on the LaSalle. So did you, Jason. It was like an orange army. I killed my first bull. Yeah. Orange army.

And, you know, when it went to a limited draw unit, the spike hunting stopped for whatever that period of time was. And then they brought them back on, like, Boulder, LaSalle, units like that, that were any bull. Yeah. When I was in high school, young, starting out, Boulder wasn't over the counter. Or any bull. Any bull tag. Any bull unit. Same as the AR-301. We had the AR-301. Same as Dutton back in the days. We had the AR hunt. Yeah. You could hunt. And it didn't participate in the point system. Yeah. Boulder, Dutton, and Poncegon archery. Poncegon. There might have been a couple others, but they were AR-301. But it was just. Interesting. But my point is, I guess my point in relating it to what we're dealing with with deer, because we're a little passionate about that, is just that you can't make the change. Like, there's no change in Utah out of the spike hunt.

So many years of investment into certain scenario and systems. And in this case, elk points. Management plans. This is what I have my heart set on. Everybody's got their turn and don't change it or mess it up too much until I get mine. And that's kind of what you hear a lot. Yeah. You see certain sides of that, but it's still not the proper way to be hunting elk with. I think that's why it's important when you do make a change, a big change. It's not easy to go back on it. Yeah. Such as.

Do you have anything in mind or interesting? I mean, just if you make a change and you add, for elk, for example, if you add spike hunts on all the units, people go there, they create traditions. Yeah. And all of a sudden you're like, hmm, we don't have bulls anymore. If you're going to take that away, people are going to be pissed. I mean, it's just. Well, it's hard. Yeah. You got some states like Oregon, they draw the number of spike tags on their trophy units. You single out one unit to primitive weapons or whatever. Big changes. I mean, they're hard to take back.

There's a lot of examples. Name one. Real quick. I just did. You did. All right. We're done. Okay. So, would you rather, Brad Marshall, 1980, says, would you rather grizzly bears with a stick bow or spend 45 days getting Joe Biden's daily ice cream for him?

I'd get killed by a grizzly bear before I did that. Yeah. But the footage, if you were to video yourself getting the ice cream each day, the footage would make you a millionaire. Billionaire, maybe. Reels? Jokes? Jokes, dude. Meme. You'd be the most popular guy. You'd break the internet. Get that. Sniffed. And then, could you break the internet? After those 40 days, could you take that money and go hunt ground bears and grizzly bears with a rifle? Especially if you wore your heels.

Uncle Joe would like that. If you put a wig on to let him sniff your hair. Uncle Joe would like that. Jeez. Put on the red pumps again, Adam. Give me some mint chocolate chip. This is why I'm talking about it. I said I'd rather die with a bow, with a, Devin fnab me an obsidian arrowhead. I'd rather die with that in my hands, but by a bear. At least you'd go down a hero instead of a freaking clown. Leave this earth as a clown, Biden's clown. Come on. Guys, don't act like that's even a decision. We'd all get killed by a grizzly bear. Move on. We still have piles of these. I'm getting the ice cream.

Do anything for money. Hound crazy. This kind of goes back to, it reminded me of it when Jason was talking about that, Buckcliffe's state record bowl. Typical. So this one says, would you rather shoot a 200-inch typical or a 200-inch non-typical muley, a 170-inch frame with trash? Typical every day. Yeah, typical every day. You've got to have the frame. Even if it had a dropper. Huh? Even if it had a little dropper, I'm shooting the typical. Yeah. 4.2 hundo. No question. There's just something about them when you hold it. It just, you know, having a legit big ear. John, what do you think? You're looking at it kind of like not sure about that. Well, what I want to know is how much bigger does the non-typical have to score to tip the scales? 40. Well, I mean, like Bernard Crockett. You mean for a book? No, not that. But what I'm saying is.

You're saying like a 210 non-typical versus a typical 200? Yeah. Right. Higher. Something like that. Higher. Keep going. 220. Got to have the frame. 220 plus starts to get harder, doesn't it? What about 230, Wyatt? I'd say 220 plus. I mean, you start looking like my new Mexico deer and start comparing that to 194 point. I'm shooting it. Oh, Sam. Wyatt's 220. I mean, that's probably about. Yeah. It's probably about where I'm tipping. I agree. 210 non-typical. They're all built different. They are. You got to show me the buck. Yeah. But if it's a 170 frame with a bunch of extra to get to 210, that kind of tells you somewhat how it's built a little bit. Yeah. But if it's a 200 frame with 10 inches of trash, okay, that's, I don't really care about entering it in the book. If it's a 200 inch frame with 10 inches of trash, I'm probably shooting that over a 190 net four point. So, but yeah.

In Josh's scenario, 170 frame of trash. I like it. Yeah. Just think of the size, the size difference for sure. Just like when you look at those bulls, even up at the expo next, next to each other, you know, there's spider bull and some of those other bulls that Doyle have there on the little spinning wheel. And that, that typical from the book list is just giant. Oh, you're talking to Alquois now. Yeah. Yeah. It's straight six, right? So similar to that. Straight six, 420 inch. Or 430. 430. 430. Not even, I mean, the points are this big around. And it's beautiful. They don't exist. It's just beautiful. They look cartoonish. They look cartoonish. When they're like alive, it just looks fake. Looks like a. That's not even a, that's not even like, in our top eight unit right now. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like. Well, it's where. It was unique. A unique spot.

Cody a minute ago, it's partly why he's asking what he's asking. I know. That bull came from the book lists. I know. I know. And other res. And other good ones. I mean, it's like, and that unit's really down right now. Yeah. Struggle. So that's where he's coming from.

What else you got? Keep going, Paul. Okay. Keep the hammer down, but we probably are going to have a part B of this. Well, I just think. Unless you've got five more, let's pound them. If we go. Oh, he's got them. He just skipped himself. No, there's. We might have. It looks quite random. This might have one whole episode of Josh answering his own. We're going to get through all of them. We'll just break our own stickies next time. There's not a single one for me in here. Are they easy to read? Give me, give me, give me those things. Let's crush them. No, this takes a certain eye to read this. He inserts names as he sees fish. Question reader guy. Anybody that has red pumps on his brain or something, I'm worried about that guy. He's the one that brought it up. Tristan J. Warner asks, Rocky or desert sheep?

I'd say that was probably for Adam. It's different now. I mean, I was born in a state that I got introduced to desert sheep while my dad was a kid. And luckily we started pitting in for them when I first could. So I knew I was going to get one. Well, that was the bottleneck back then. I did the same thing. Yeah. Well, it's partly we were from southern Utah. It's just like northern Utah people probably did moose. A lot of moose or goats. Yeah. And we're lucky if their dad had an interest in sheep, they picked sheep. But if they didn't, they probably did moose or goats what they had up there. Right, Devin? Most likely.

I was born in Logan and I have no moose points. Even if there's no moose points. Four brothers and a dad, they just would do the same thing. That's right. So for me, I really want a mountain rocky somewhere. I finished a slam. I killed it like Jason. We killed California big horns out at Oregon. Grateful for it. And that was a great experience. Kind of high desert, lava rock type mountains. I want a mountain rocky really bad. Me too. Really bad. Yeah. And that's where the bottleneck is. How bad? Here's the next question for you. I have a bottom to my wallet. Very shallow bottom to that wallet. Habitat underscore manager. Sounds pretty serious guy. What state's that for? Probably one of your gaming brands. He asks, have a Montana- Josh's buddy. Missouri Brakes sheep tag or an Arizona strip deer tag? Well, I'm going, that's deer. I mean, and here's why.

I mean, I would love a Montana Brakes. We saw our cover ram. Well, not a cover ram. A story ram from April. 191 or two-incher.

And I would love that. I'd just hunt the strip. I'm going to pick that every time. I don't know what sheep tag that would have to be placed in front of me to pick that over. A strip tag and call it a primo year or whatever. I don't know what that would be. Okay. I've got a question for you. How about this? New Mexico, Unit 6, Rocky. Yeah, I was just thinking that one or if I had, you know, the bottomless pit that Jason somehow thinks I have. Let's just sell 20 of your rifles. No. 20. Doesn't add up to $900,000. Okay. And what I'd have to pay in Colorado to shoot one of those. Well, and that doesn't do much for me. I mean, it's out on the plains, on a private ranch. But I'm just saying, a ram like that somewhere, like if you found it in the, I don't, that's a pinnacle. That pinnacle. That in New Mexico. But anyway. So that's where Sean Mellon would like to know, Adam.

Draw a Montana sheep tag with the knowledge of a 200-inch ram. Okay. That's, you got my attention. You probably got one. Absolutely. Free doll or free doll sheep tags for life.

I want the 200-inch Rocky. Yeah. And I'm sorry. I've been maybe a little bit spoiled to do a few doll. Not that I don't enjoy them. I'm going to go again this year. But 200-inch Rocky, it's like not even, it's like they don't even exist right now for all intents and purposes. Maybe, like most years, they don't even kill one in North America right now. So that's where I'm at. Yeah. I'd probably have to agree. John, I think I'd like this one's for you. Oh, shoot. What is it? From a 13-year-old kid's perspective here? Hound Crazy. I'm never going to hunt because of you. My dad says you're a jerk. Hound Crazy asks, would you rather be stuck in the truck with Devin or Wyatt? And who can dig the best of those two? I feel like you're making this up. Oh, okay, okay. I took it wrong and I thought stuck in the truck like for 12 hours. I don't know. Your truck is stuck. No, I truck.

Who would get you out? Stuck and you have to dig. Shovel dig is what I took that. I took it as stuck like you were driving somewhere. Yeah, that's what I took it. Let's say you're driving to Kansas. Who do you want to be stuck with? Okay. The problem is I wouldn't dare spit sunflower seeds on either of them's floorboard. Well, in our past lives, I dug undergrounds for plumbing. Devin painted lines for parking lots. Oh, okay, yeah. You probably know how to run a shovel matter. That's a dig. No pun intended.

Devin, how good are you at digging that? I did more than paint lines on a parking lot. But he did get excited knowing we have a painter. He did take years with us. Sometimes you can't see the lines. I'm like, man, if we had a painter, one of these days I'm going to paint these crisp lines. We have them. Go in the closet today and there's a parking lot painter. I got all kinds of stuff. Maybe we'll give you some dedicated header hours, Devin, for painting those. Hang on, man. Got to draw first. And you should have heard him. He's like, you guys should hear this thing. Listen, can you hear the zing? The zing. The zing. This is the crispest line painter I've ever heard. The bearings on this line painter are pristine. Okay. We'll give him a fresh can of paint. You can even stay on the clock.

We just be like old times. You want to know what I told him? He says, Devin. Paint the lines. I said, Devin, we got to paint these. We need to paint them. Turn nearly. She goes, well, I'm going to need, what did you say, brush? Some kind of special broom? Has an abrasion process? No, I need a high-pressure air blower to get all the rocks and dust out. It's got to be perfect. This is an asphalt we're talking about. Well, and I would trust Devin to do it because he's perfection. But what was 14 steps later, we're going to be able to start painting, right? Without a wind. It's going to take a month. They'd be perfect. You're not going to be able to park on our lot for a month. I can do it in half a day.

And it'd probably be a Saturday so I don't have to deal with anybody.

But does that include the ADA accessible handicap parking sponsor? We'll build something. We'll make it happen. Whatever we need to do. John, answer the question. Answer the question. These two are waiting. Geez, I thought it meant dig out of a snowdrift. Wyatt's saying he knows how to use a shovel. Wyatt made a really good compelling argument there. Take the shovel down. Unless Devin's got some experience that's. Like if I said when I was 14 I helped a grave digger at the cemetery. Yes. Yes, then I'm going with you.

Are you serious? You mean you helped somebody bury a body? I worked at Sprinkler World in Oz Club and I dug trenches. Devin helped a guy bury a body. And it may or may not be true. He's selling himself. Yeah, yeah. He sold me, Devin. But, Devin, if you need to dig a little thing under your truck to have someone crawl under and help put tire chains, Devin's probably your guy. You know why? It's a bigger frame. You've got to dig a lot more material out of the way before you can get someone to slide under there and Jimmy rig some chains on your rear. You give Wyatt a new pony shovel. You better watch out. I've seen Wyatt dig a hole or two. Wyatt, what would you rather? Spade or flat nose? For digging out? A square nose or a pony? A shovel in the gut? Mud or sand? Mud or sand or snow? I mean, we've got to tell you what material are we talking about?

You can only have one shovel in the back of your truck. I have a spade. Okay. Is it long or short? It's a long. Okay. All right. John, move along. We're good. Move along. I think you made the right call. I hate digging holes. All right. How about this? Devin's like, I don't even want to go. You're not. You're not welcome. I got stuck once and dug holes in it in what I was doing until the suspension was. And it was on the frame. It's sand. That sucked. Okay. The thing is, though, Devin tells me he's a grave digger at one point in his life. I totally believe it. It was a lie. I know. But I did dig trenches. I would believe it. You could tell me anything. And if John told me he's trustworthy and helped me bury a body, I'd believe it. I'd just say, don't tell me where they're at. I don't want to know. I'd believe it. Right? John's going to take some things to his grave. All right.

So, you know, you take the personality test, right? Okay. Some people do. I did one. And they say the one word that, you know, that defines you. And mine was loyalty. That's true. Yeah. I would bury your whatever you needed. I know. Vice versa. John would do it. I know he would. I know he would. John's no joke. We know we got our guy when we need a guy. John, what are you doing? It's 2 a.m. Hey, what do you need? He'll just say. None of your business. I'll be there in 10. Yeah. No tell no show. That's John.

It's awesome. There's very few like you, John. I'm just saying. It's rare, and I love it. I do it, Pollock. You've gleaned. You've had plenty of gleaning here. Let's just read them as they read without manipulation. I feel like this one's for Jason as well.

C. Newman 2712 asks, rather the world record pronghorn or a 200-inch muley? Oh, yeah. World record pronghorn. I don't have one.

Or a what? 200-inch muley? 200-inch muley. Well, Newman, you better step it up to like a 250. Okay, let's do that. That's a 250 mule day? Oh, 250. Okay. I don't care about the world record. Where would the threshold? I don't even care about the world record pronghorn. Where would the threshold happen where the deer got the bullet versus the prey? Black ABS. 210. Just say yes or no. 210. No. 20. No. 25. How's it built? Hell of a frame. Yes. Okay. 225. No, the world record is so impressive. A world record pronghorn is awesome. And I could quit hunting pronghorn. You know what's funny is if you killed the world record pronghorn, would you quit? Yes. I've got people like Mike Gallo right now who think you're sacrilegious talking about antelope the way you are. He owns the record book. But if you killed the world record mule deer, would you quit? No. No. You wouldn't.

That tells you everything you need to know about my loyalty. You're just talking one animal. About my loyalty of the species. They're not joking. The Grimits and Gallos. You're not beating them. GG antelope hunters right there. Grimits and Gallos. Look at that black ABS. It is. It's ABS pipe beyond. Hey. I mean. Okay. Let's just take. Isn't the world record 99 and something? I don't know. So you've got to be a 100-inch net. 100-inch net, Jason. We're talking. Or a 225. I talked to Tony. He knew where there was one. It was a unit that wasn't open. I mean, and it gets you fired up. I could get fired up about squirrels. There was a giant squirrel in Iowa, and I wanted to smoke him. I know why people kill him. He alerted the entire forest I was sitting there. But anyway. 100-inch antelope. Or 225. We know 225 is what you just said. Is that your final answer? Typical, non-typical. I mean.

Spendly. No. Slick shanks. We're going to get a 206 frame. Yeah. With 19 inches of track. Mule deer. Mule deer king. Okay. Mule deer king. All right. Cody knows. Cody knows, too. He's just throwing it out there. He loves mule deer. He loves a good laugh. So if you wanted a 200-inch mule deer, are you going to go? So AKRem44 asks, archery strip tag or kayabab late rifle? Oh. Archery strip. Yeah. We'll just say the awesomest moisture year, not a drought year. Archery strip. Yeah. You're going to want next level in an elite year. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. I just think there's some special deer going to come out in the next short while. It could be this year. It could be next year. The year after, no trail cameras. Just the moisture, the time, the cycle we're in, it just feels good. What do you think? It feels good on the kayabab, too. Your brain seems to be going over.

Oh, I think I'd go archery strip. Yeah. I would, too. But it's not going to be a Henry's archery. Like, it's not going to be a one-stalker. You're like, okay, I'm going to dedicate the whole season. And when I'm done, I might quit. Your bow might get thrown into the Grand Canyon on your way home. You don't need an extra two or three. You're going to need new tires. You might need a new vehicle. You might need new friends. I mean, it wears everything out. That's why I think the kayabab late kind of sounds intriguing. You just could be fun. Oh, it's fun. You just never know what's going to come walking out. And for 200, I think you could do it on the kayabab late. I just think that potential for that. 240 plus. Yeah. Something stupid big. On the late kayabab, it feels like you've just got to be the first one that drives up on to seize the buck, to kill it almost, versus out there.

My problem is, you're scouting. You're going to be tired when the hunt starts. You're going to be tired from two months of hard work already. You know what I mean? Right? Maybe a month. But yeah, because you can't run trail cameras, so you can save a month. Just the way I'm thinking about it. That's the positive thing about not being able to run cameras. Don't scout in June. They're not done. Cameras kind of worry out. I was kind of grateful there was a time when we had to end them. Yeah. You know what I mean? It is kind of refreshing. July 30th. I mean, August 1, we can get normal sleep now and feel good about it. Uno de Augusto. But when there's cameras to run, you never felt good about getting normal sleep. All right. Keep going. Are we done? No. How many do we have? If we have a lot, we should maybe draw a line in the sand and see. Let's talk about our one power scopes.

Do we have enough to do a good episode? There's still 20 left. Oh, okay. We better. Well, we're done. Any more that we're kind of on the same theme? Van Utah? Any Utah questions? We don't want to. No. There's a few things in there. We got that many. We're not going to get them done. So we'll do the part B. There's plenty of randomness. That's why when you're the question asker guy, question reader guy, you know, you do your homework. Yeah. Let's talk about, what did you talk about? Great job, Pollock. Yeah. One power muzzleloader scopes. Yeah. Well, tell us about it, Pollock. Well, we got a few of them in and then we got a few more in that we had to get a few more in because we couldn't keep them in. Hot potato. So many. So we've sold a significant amount of them and we ordered a significant amount and a significant amount of them have already gone.

So we've sold dozens and dozens and dozens in like about four days. Yeah. Yeah. It's, we've, we've looked a lot trying to find and it's, um, I can't say the only because who knows what lives in Timu or somewhere, but we only, you know, that Timu thing where you can shop like a billionaire. You saw the Superbowl commercials. Um, the Vortex Crossfire too. It's a one by 24 rifle scope. It's a one power by a 24 millimeter objective. Yeah. Yep. It's just a standard Plex reticle, standard crosshair, um, thicker crosshair that goes in. Yep. So it's a great option for muzzleloaders. Honestly, you're, you're talking a 200 to 300 yard scope, um, depending on your eyes and, and all that, but it does have a turret on it. Um, I want to say it's a half, half of the way per clear. It's already a diable. Yeah. You don't need to pull out a penny in a pinch. Yeah.

So you could, if you have your, if you have a range finder or something, it has ballistics in it. You get your information from that. You could use it or, uh, it has the abilities to get a yardage turret cut for it. Those kinds of things as well that you could throw on there. So it is a great option, especially for Utah, you know, South Dakota, maybe Washington. Very affordable thing. Yeah. Dang close to a hundred bucks. So anyway, very affordable. So tell, tell me if I'm wrong on this, but I would say if you are in the market, get one early. Yeah. Get one because they're going to probably, they're going to likely run out. I would guess. Oh yeah. There's not, there's not a lot of them being made. They're intentionally doing it. They had to end up sitting on a lot of them. So it was largely due to Utah's change. I mean, let's keep it real. That's kind of what spurred this on.

I had one of these scopes from before and, and I don't know what changed, but from looking at them here in the office, it didn't look like it. We all but ordered a hundred of them. They're almost gone. Yeah. I'm just saying. And we're going to order more and, and, and it's one of the few one power options. It's one of the few. It's like, yeah. One of the very few. With a crosshair. If not only. Uh-huh. The only. So that's why. And then we're going to have red dots and loophole and we can now order loophole. Yeah. So we've got a bunch of loophole on order and they're one power with a, with a turret. They're just significantly more in price. They're three times the money. Yeah. That's a red dot versus a crosshair. Breeze eyes. Just got to kind of, it's going to be interesting. We've talked about all going to the range. We're all going to be shooting a little bit different setup.

And I'm buying one of each, maybe two of each. Peep sight. Front goal. Aren't you guys? I've got two in my office. You're going to have to find out what your eye likes and what you're, you feel like you're going to shoot the best. You know, at least we're talking about Utah. Yeah. Nevada, Colorado, you got to have the open sight. New Mexico. So we've still caught a few Utah guys. Washington changed it up. Now it's one power up there. South Dakota. Wyatt. Who did we talk to in South Dakota? I think that was you, Josh. Yeah. Washington changed it up. Anyway, with these regulations, I mean, this will fit. It's not just a Utah thing. If you're thinking about getting them, and you probably need to think about what you're going to do. I think there's a lot of Utah guys that have just kind of put it out of their mind.

Don't wait until August 1 to decide what you're going to put on your Utah muzzle loader, for sure. Take care of it now. Even if you decide to not go with this one and have it, it's just over $100 scope. So why not snag? It's less for the scope than applying in Nevada, Utah as a non-resident. I would get one, because they're, like John said, they're not going to last. You've got to get a couple different options like we talked about. Yeah, great value with a crosshair, or we can do a red dot. We've got a bunch of those coming. A little bit slower to get those, triple the price, basically. But we're going to have them. We're going to have them a plethora. We've also got Vortexes in stock right now. We've got a strike fire, too. Red dot, it's red or green dot. It's a great option as well. I actually had it on a muzzle loader for quite a while until we went to a variable power scope.

It's one of those things, honestly. My kids have those on the AR platform. Yeah. Yep. So you're going to need something. I'd suggest looking into it sooner rather than later with any of these. Get prepared, because you can't wait. Don't wait. I like it. All right. Well, let's throw a little shout out to Red Rock Precision. Super good dudes up at Red Rock. If you need a custom rifle, give them a holler. It's unbelievable. Devin, we had them come in the office. I've inspected a couple. Very impressive.

Devin put his fingerprints all over one. And anyway, one of the finest rifles you can ever hold. It's unbelievable. I've got one of the new Red Rocks. We've got multiples coming for guys here in the office, plus clients. So if you need to order one, give us a holler. Go to redrockprecision.com. Check them out. State of the art. Unbelievable. There's nothing on them you don't want for. Right, Devin? I mean, by the time you realize what they come with. It all makes sense. Yeah. It all makes sense. I really like the adapter for the Arca Swiss on a tripod. You'll never have to. If you have a tripod with you, you'll never have to pack sticks again. The flush cup on the side when I was dealing with, you know. Makes it very clear. It's the first time I ever really had it. And you throw it on your back. It's unbelievable. It comes standard, basically. You know, mine came with it.

And so anyway, just an awesome, awesome rifle. I agree with you. The Arca Swiss embedded. Plus you got the rail on the end. Yeah, and five boxes of ammo with the rest of it. Five boxes of ammo with custom built ammo. Acubons. You know, my seven PRCs came with 160 Acubons. Shoots freaking lights out at 1,000 plus. I shot it personally at 1,000th next level. So anyway, I threw the Z8I on mine. But, I mean, we can help you figure out the right scope combination for what you like. All right, Bronson. What's next? Is this what I'm supposed to do here, Logan? All right. I don't want to deviate, but I'm going to have to deviate here in a little bit. You don't want to get yelled at by Logan. He's no joke. So, I want to get another shout out to Zeiss. If you're looking for rifle scope, vinyl, spot and scope, whatever, give us a call. They make great products.

A lot of guys here have, you know, Zeiss top rifles. I mean, multiples of them. And, you know, great glass. Got some deals on. Some of their vinyls are going right now as well. So, give us a call. We've been dealers from them from the very start. Make awesome products. So, give us a call. You can check them out on Zeiss.com. Check out. The biggest thing we like with rifle scopes is the reticle. You know, what you want. Whether you want to clean in. Whether you want some with one MOA tick marks, two MOA tick marks. Kind of fill out what you got. You can see all their options on there and then call them. Get pricing from us. I'm glad to help you out with it. I'd just like to highlight a couple of things from Zeiss. We've got some products that are just at ridiculously low prices. If you want binoculars and the Conquest, call in on those. And you're going to get a smoking deal.

Also, if, you know, you need a pair of kid vinyls or you're young and just getting into it. And we're talking really quality glass for under $400. Give us a call. Okay. I like it. All right. Let's throw out a shout-out to our friends at Kinetrek. Cash, you're up. Yeah. I mean, man, you can't go anywhere without a good boot. I mean, Kinetrek, they make really hardy boots. You've been trying to wear boots out. I remember the days when we had time to shed hunt. Right. Wyatt and I are a little bit jealous, aren't we, Wyatt? Yeah, for sure.

All the Cash's adventures on the evenings and weekends remind me of when we were young and we had time to shed hunt. No kids? No kids. Wyatt gives us a pretty good Hey Dude review these days. Wyatt gives us a good Hey Dude and a pacifier review. For that time, we did 12 miles at SHOT Show and you wore Hey Dudes. I did 12 miles at SHOT Show. That was a joke. Yeah. And he knows the best disposable diaper. Yeah. It's very frustrating. I'm learning. Very frustrating, isn't it, Wyatt? Yeah. Learning. All right, Cash. Tell us about wearing out boots. Oh, man. I mean, Canada Trek, they make a really hardy boot. They're going to last you a long time. Great guys over there. They're really hard to beat. Give them a call. Give us a call. We can tell you about any of their models. They're number 800-232-6064. Great dudes. Great boot. Man, just all around. You can't.

You're going to go a couple seasons at least. If you're pounding the hills, they're going to last you. So, invest in a good boot. You sure are. Go to www.kenetrek.com for all your boot needs. What do you got, Bronson? We got more? No. Holy cow. We're sitting at an hour and 50 minutes. Let's just make it even two. We got to mention that, huh? Probably audio. For crap's sake, go ahead. Let's do it. Is that going to get people, certain people? No. In a frenzy? No. Anybody that needs a new bow, Bronson, you need to talk to Bronson. We've got a stack of them, and they're going fast. I'm hoarding them right now. I'm treating them like food storage. But we're doing some giveaways throughout this spring. Kind of like Devin runs those bolts. Adam does a couple good dry fires. He does do that. I do not do that. Adam was very frustrating because I went to dry fire, and he's like, no.

Did you guys hear that zing? That's the whack. Devin did one of these dry fires. Come on. Did a dry fire. Did not dry fire. No. Just don't pull them back. When you grip them with fingers, unless you plan to throw a projectile somewhere, do not ever pull one back. Because you're twisted as you pull it back. But bare fingers are not meant to be shot that way, these new age bows. Even though the old bows, that's all you had. Your string might roll off your cams. It could happen. But Adam pulls it out of the box, and he's like, same kind of look in his eye. Well, he showed me when I was on the phone. I said, go ahead, drop back. And he's like, no way. I seen how that worked. Anyway, we've got a few for giveaways. Hoyt's been a great podcast and magazine and all around partners with us here at Epic Outdoors. Awesome make. They also make incredible bows. They have for years.

We've gone on and on. Over the years, we all use them here at Epic Outdoors. We all have different varieties. RX fives and sevens. And now they're out with the eights. And, you know, alphas as well. So, anyway, we might have a couple extras after some of our giveaways that we're giving away. And from some of those that are upgrading their bows here in this office. What do you mean, Mike? You would sell one tomorrow. I do. Yeah, that's right. So, we've got some RXs in here that looks like they need a new home. Smoke and deal. Brand new in the box. New in the box. We've got, you know, an alphas and regular RX8s depending on your height and length. First come, first serve. Give us a call. 435-263-0777. Or Adam at EpicOutdoors.com. I love it. I like it. And that email will work every time. I changed my email. I threw a middle initial in there. No, you didn't.

Because John has to do it, and he won't do it. John and I will meet later. So, you know, we covered a lot of ground today.

I want to talk about one more thing. But we did cover a lot of ground, and we got a lot of giveaways. Do we have it written down, what we're giving away for those people that drew in Arizona? It was clear. Hey, we already talked about we're not going to get it done. Those people aren't real. And then you gave away a tripod for something. That drew the sheep in six. No, we didn't. Right? No. New Mexico? No. Oh, what was it? No. Oh, it was for the 12A, 12B. No, it was. Okay, we did that. Yes. It was. It was. A three-pointer. Yes. That was for the tripod. A three-point net book head. If you kill one, call in. First guy to call in gets a small tripod. With score sheet and verification through Boone and Crockett Trophy Search. And then the guy that drew the 12A, 12B Arizona tag. Oh, you're going to say something. We gave him something. Oh, yeah. You're cutting him cash, right? That's.

That's right. You. You. You. Six bills. You. You. Gas money. He needs gas money. And I want him to succeed. And we want his story. In trade, we get the freaking story of this 250 inches that's going to go down. I'll get it. All right. I'll buy him a gift card at Jacob's Lake Chevron. He has some good cookies. He's going to need it at six bucks a gallon. So I'm just saying. If he slow rolls the pine like Wyatt, he's going to need some fibers, too. You get optimal fuel mileage when you're slow rolling. John, I want to talk about. Oh, shoot. I want to talk. And I don't. You don't have to talk about the anti-fisheye app. But the fisheye lens has got.

Creates. You can't even use the word traction lately. It's. It's. It's an epidemic. I like it. Yeah. Jinx. I like it. So take it away, John. It's. I can't believe you found something to make deer look normal. I don't think we should go here. Maybe it's proprietary, John. What? We're just using it on. Yeah. There's a couple. We're only using it on friends and family. There's some filters that will take out fisheye. So if you take some pretty horrible fisheye photos. So if I kill a 22-incher and it looks like it's 32 inches, you can show it. Bring it back to reality. You can bring it back to reality. I like it. How about we just do a little bit better at our picture taken this year? Let's do it. Got to make that a goal. We're not talking to us at our table. We all see it. Instagram. The hunting industry. Is pretty well known for nosing the dirt and a lot of stuff like that. John.

But if you want to see what the real buck looks like, send it in to john at epicoutdoors.com. If you have a buddy that you want to see what his buck really looks like, send that picture to his John. If your buddy's sending you a fisheye pic and you know it's a fisheye, send him back the real pic through John's little app filter.

You didn't create it in an app, right? No. Proprietary. You can't say it. Okay. Yeah, we will. We've got a good buddy. Let's throw a little shout out to Adam Garglietti. He's a good client of ours. John Sports Center there in Kansas. Johnsportscenter.com. 620-231-7740. He's just a good buddy of ours. He's like, Jason, I deal with big bucks in Kansas. I'm a Kansas dude. Send everybody my way. I want to talk to him. And he sells a lot of gear. Hey, you can't hurt yourself by going over there and visiting with Adam. Tell him we sent you here at Epic Outdoors. Good friend. Not paid to throw that out there. Just a good friend of ours. Hey. All right. What else? What else we got? I got some more. I got some more stickies. But I'm done. Are we doing something first of the week? I'm going to need the fourth monster. Yeah, I was going to say, does that thing have anything in it? No.

And it's third. I figured it out. Whoa. I'm dry. All right. Well. Pollock's never dry. I think we've covered it. You're always up for banner. I think we've covered it for the day. I think we've worn Pollock out. I'm dry. It's hard being the question reader guy. You guys are. Oh, come on. I'll do it next time. I'll do it next time. I'll do it next time. I'll sign up for it next podcast. What I think is funny is Pollock never had to answer his own question. He never even came up with one. Yes, there wasn't one for the reason. Oh, come on. Logan, was there one that said, was there a question for CEO? Hey, everybody out there listening. Send Josh a question. Before next Monday or Tuesday. We need a few Josh-related would you rather. You better send them all to Josh at Epic Outdoors.com. I'll make sure they get read. All right. This is what I think we should do.

You're not getting off the hook. I want you to relate one of the stories from the Game and Fish days. One of the fun. Well, Jason, you mean just a funny story? Because sometimes you're talking about prosecution. I don't know the laws. I'm not going to tell Josh what he can or can't say. He can't be doing double jeopardy stuff and all this kind of stuff here. I mean, this could get in a slippery throat. Devin, you're getting a twitch over there. You picking up what I'm putting up? I'm just chilling. I can't feel my legs. In the past, Josh has told about 90-year-olds running from the law without fishing licenses. Is there anything we haven't heard, Josh? Those are good. I mean, is it all it's crafted to be?

Yeah. There's some. There's one I'd like to tell, but there's some details of it. Well, don't. Lead us down the detailed road, but quit when it gets really tight. But it's some key words that were used that are going to make it good. I'm going to have to think about that. Think about that before we're on next week. Think about new names, identities, weapons, species. It's been so long ago that most of that stuff happened. I've been out of being a gamey than I was a gamey. How long have you been out? Ten years? Yeah. Almost. Percius? Yeah. As a game warden. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. That's where you and Wyatt first met, wasn't it? Yeah. Let's hear that story. Is that a story in itself? Yes, it is. I just remember I was just checking some. We're not going to go there. No. It was simple. I remember I was parked on the side of the road. We're talking a highway. No. On a dirt road.

I was just parked down the dirt road, sitting there, checking some messages because I was out of service for a bit. I'd been watching. We were trying to catch a couple of bears that were trying to get into some cabins. And so I was just parked on the side of the road, just talking. And I wasn't a game warden, so Wyatt. What were you? I was just a biologist. Oh, you were a biologist. So Wyatt just rolled up on me. Slow rolled up on you. I think he was maybe even glassing for a buck that Devin shot. Me? Yeah. The BLM knob. This is getting beat. I like it. That was the day. Do you remember that? I was not involved in this in any way, shape, or form.

He hates when we go here. I was probably in another state. He was probably in Louisiana. What do you mean a buck eye shot? The BLM knob. I had my learner's permit, and I was on a bike. The one in your office. Okay. Okay. He's in my office. Yes. He is dead. He is dead. Okay. Because I was parked near the BLM knob. The famous or infamous. I don't know what you're talking about. Which I didn't kill in there. So. I remember this day. So what happened? I mean. That was it. Here comes the sergeant. Wyatt's. Lights and siren. The complexion on Wyatt's face. That's what it was, because we had caught the bear, and I had to come out to make some phone calls. Wyatt and I are just sitting there, and all of a sudden, here comes a game warden. Hot. Coming in. Really? 10.39, as they call it. Is it daylight or dark, or what is it? It was 10 o'clock in the morning. Okay. It just all happened.

It was 10 o'clock in the morning. You're sitting at the road. Wyatt rolls up on you. And then what? All of a sudden, we hear lights and sirens. On a dirt road? On a dirt road. And I'd never seen a game warden go lights and sirens on a dirt road. No, I've never seen that. This was intense. They got Wyatt bowls. There was no instruction to come lights and sirens either. It was simply, hey, I need help loading a barrel in the back of the truck. Could you come help me? Lights and sirens. I don't know what a bear in a barrel means to a game warden, but they thought it was serious. He thought you had it by the throat. It was like in a chokehold. Okay. Just interrupted our company. Wyatt and I were having a good conversation. And he comes barreling down that road. I don't even know how fast he was going. And he was literally coming to help you load the bear? That's all he was coming for.

Wyatt, did you drop into a... Did you put your hands wet? He was going too fast. He didn't even have time to think about it. Did Wyatt run? What did he do, Pollock? No, but I don't think he stuck around a lot. No. No. Okay. Both hands, 10 and 2. He was 10 and 2. That was the day I met Pollock. Yeah. Well, we'll leave it at that. Well... That's where we're leaving it. That was part one. That was part one. Part two, next time. Here on the Epic Outdoors podcast. All right, everybody. Let's call it a freaking week. Have a good weekend. Let's do it.

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