EP 319: One More Shot at Nevada Mule Deer, Desert Sheep, Elk and Antelope

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, John Peterson, Logan. How you doing Logan? I'm doing good. Good. Have you thought about your Instagram handle? I haven't given any more thought to the Instagram. When you looked at me just a second ago, I knew it was coming. Logie Bear just seems like you're a grown man. We're going to change this. I just think we'll change it. Anyway, maybe hit us up, info at epicoutdoors.com. Give us some options for Logan's Instagram handle. I'm not saying it totally needs to be changed. We can leave it at Logie Bear. Maybe just a little restructure? I mean, Logan the man. Call it a rebrand. Is there a more manly bear, like cocaine bear or smoky bear? Papa Bear. Cocaine bear is a little different. I mean, that's pretty aggressive. But anyway, something that says I'm moving into my 30s at some point in my life. Okay. All right.

And I'm a single bear going to den for the winter.

Papa Bear? I'm not even going down that road. I don't know. Anyway, so, Bronson, you know, one thing we could talk about for a minute, just a quick second. But it seems like you got some mail indicating that you were supporting of the Biden-Harris campaign. Yeah, I got a piece of mail, and I intended to bring it in here today. I thought it was a podcast listener. It was from nobody, but it was officially marked. It looked legit, and it had, you know, had a picture of Joe and our Veep next to him. Yeah. And it was signed by Crazy Joe. And appreciated your $250 monthly donation, and it would be reoccurring. And I'm crapping my pants. I'm like, what? I thought one of you guys had put my card on file. I think it's tax deductible. I don't care. I want it. Could you imagine the 14 mailmen that had it in their possession on the way to your house? Actually, it came to the street here at Epic.

So that's why I- Epic Outdoors and Biden Support. Yeah. It said Epic Outdoors on the label. Adam Bronson. And so I left it here. I ran it. I, you know, shouted to y'all, and I said, which one of you did this? Pollock started laughing, so I thought he gave in quick. Pollock just laughs when he doesn't know what to say. And he usually indicates guilt, because he's always guilty. Yes. And it had a QR code, and so he scans it while he's at my desk, and it goes to this. Dude, it's kind of a spoof. And if you want to spoof somebody and send them this fake campaign contribution letter and all that that looks official, do it here. It costs $10 or $13. I don't know what it costs. $13. And how do you know it costs $13? Well, so I left it here because I knew we were doing a podcast today, and I was going to talk about it today and say, hey, whoever already did this, yeah, ha-ha.

I'll get the last laugh. I'll find you. But I go home last night and sit down to dinner, and my wife asked me if I got a mail from Crazy Joe, a piece of mail from Crazy Joe. And I'm like, you did that? And she starts busting up laughing. I guess she saw it somewhere. Oh, we did. It came from the family budget. And I said, yeah, next time just give me $13, and I'll have a good lunch somewhere. Oh. But, yeah, she did that. Pretty funny. Good stuff. It's the most legit-looking thing. Oh, like, I totally believe it. A hundred percent. And, hey, there's some podcast listeners and hunters out there that are supporters of Joe. I don't quite understand it, but, hey, it is what it is. I'd like to know. I know there's people that are Democrats because we hear back from them, and they're hunters, and we'll acknowledge. All right, thank you. But I wonder if they're really wholeheartedly behind Joe.

No, I just think they're anti-Trump because he can come off a little brash. I think there's some of that. Yeah. All right, so let's see. Where are we at in the application process of things? We're getting a few results. Of course, Arizona came out. Hey, we had our clients draw some amazing sheep tags, a few great deer tags like coos deer, all kinds of stuff. So, anyway, there's a lot moving right now and some pretty lucky people. What are we waiting on? Maybe Idaho, deer elk, antelope? Is that about it? I think, right? I didn't even play there because I did sheep, but I'm done for the year. Our drive ended technically, what, yesterday, John? Last night? We're going to have four lucky winners here shortly. We're going to have our next little podcast we'll have. We'll be calling people and making dreams come true. But I guess all we're left is a few, I guess, raffles and things like that.

It's almost the large lady's about to warm up her pipes. Yeah. It'll be interesting. Ours is going to be soon. Every ticket that's in the hat, we make them up, and then that person gets an email with a photo of their tickets before they go in. Before we do the draw. Before we do the draw. So, that just has to be wrapped up. All those emails have to go out, and then we'll do the draw as soon as we can. But it's going to be soon. Yeah. It's pretty fun. Great time of year. Well, all right. So, we've got a few other options coming up. Of course, we have some late draws like, say, Arizona bison or Texas desert sheep, things like that. And then we've got some point-only applications coming up with Wyoming and Montana. Oregon, if you forgot to do that, and you just have to get your application. Kicking off July 1, actually, which is, I guess, probably a week from, what, today, maybe.

Monday, actually. Is it? Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. Jump on those. Don't forget those. Even if you applied for Wyoming, for deer, elk, and antelope, as a non-resident. If you applied, you've still got to go buy your points. It's kind of, I don't know. I don't know why they do it that way, but it's very frustrating. We've talked to people every year that go ahead and apply, don't draw, and then don't go buy their points because they assumed it was given. Just don't forget to do that. Yeah. Don't forget to do it. You need to have options. You never know when the hunts come up that you're going to wish you could have a few points to do it. And it's not necessarily about the money. Some of these points are pretty cheap. It's just about the time of getting the points and having a plan to basically do that, not forget about it, and then those points rack up.

And then all of a sudden you have an option, and you're glad you did it. So anyway, great opportunity. Also have the Nevada Dream Tags coming up. So another opportunity to dive in on a raffle-type opportunity. Yeah. You know, the Dream Tags are very similar to a PIW tag in that you go on and there's one mule deer, one antelope, one desert sheep, and one Rocky Mountain elk. I don't know why I have to say Rocky Mountain because there's only one type of elk in Nevada. But what if a tule escapes California and runs over into Nevada? Is it legal? How are you going to visually know that's a tule, Jason? It's legal. It's an elk. Okay. I mean, I guess I shouldn't. Do you need a tag for that? Is that just like, I don't know. Do you need a tag even? Yeah. For what? For an elk? Yes, you do, John. I mean, if it's a tule, it's kind of like an exotic.

They need to drop the term Rocky Mountain out there. I mean, just in case. They got Roosevelt's in the northwestern part of the state. You can get one roam into Nevada at some point and you wouldn't even know what you're shooting. Moose roamed into Nevada. Now we're hunting those. Well, okay. A couple dudes. Nevadans. People. Not us. But anyway, yeah. Your point's well taken. Dream tags are just that. They're a way to dream big. It's one of the last. Well, Nevada has several different, call them extracurricular tags. They got heritage tags, which are auction tags. They have the silver state tags that you can apply for back in the draw, which you can buy one entry for. Yeah. And hunt statewide any weapon beginning in July or August, depending on the species. It's just any open season with that weapon tag. And then now, dream or this way. Yeah.

You have to hunt with a bow when bow season's open. Or longbow. What do they call them over there? No. They did have some of that terminology. And it was goofy. But anyway. But regardless of that, we have members that draw these. It seems like a couple every year. I know I had a client, friend, whatever you want to call them, draw an elk last year. I think we had maybe another one dry. We've had clients draw sheep tags repeatedly. It seems like one or two of these. We've had a desert guy last year. He's drawn twice. Yeah. Crazy. He's drawn the desert dream tag twice in about five years. Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know how. And he's not playing it like crazy. Like, anyway. Yeah. You can buy multiple entries to this, unlike the silver state or the PIW, which you just, yeah, put me in for that $10. Yeah. Non-residents can do the PIW deer. There's three tags. That's all we can do is the deer.

$10 and throw you in. Throw in. And then silver state, of course, we have those options and you throw a name in. But this one, unlimited. You want to do a couple hundred bucks or whatever. It doesn't matter. Throw it in $5 and what? $5.75, $5.75 per entry. When you go to check out. What's the difference between the PIW tags and the silver state? Silver state is like the governor. Heritage. Okay. You can hunt with any weapon statewide, either July 1 or August 1. So, completely different. You get to hunt with a gun when everybody else has got a bow. The PIW or Dream, you can hunt statewide with, I guess there's a few limitations on the sheep, Jason, based on harvest. There's a few limitations, but. For all intents of birds, it's statewide, but when the season's open. When the season's open. And on deer and antelope and elk, you've got to use the weapon.

And when archery's open, you can hunt with a bow. When muzzleloader's open, you've got to hunt with a muzzleloader. When rifle's open, you've got to hunt with a rifle. You know what I like about some of these states? So, you know, some of these states, their programs are somewhat minimally funded and whatnot. And some of these states that we like, I like buying the hunting license and supporting them and applying in the draw and things like that, knowing that you're supporting them financially. And then some states that are, Wyoming, for example, I just look at it like they don't want us there. They don't care about us. They don't appreciate non-residents, things like that. And that's just a general feel. It's not everybody, and it's not necessarily 100%, but it's just that feel of we despise the non-resident. We're going to stick it to them when we do give them tags.

You know, we're going to do OTC and continue to limit their tags even more and more and more for Region G or whatever. So, anyway, I just think when you come to a state like Nevada that manages for $30 to $35 per hunter does, they're doing their best at aligning with exactly what we want. Well, and with the driest state in the nation and the most limited resource when it comes to mule deer, what do we got, 10,000 to 14,000 tags in the state? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm talking buck. I don't know what they do for doe. No, antelope and mule deer combined are like 14,000 total. Crazy. So, with a very limited resource, they're trying to— How many do we sell here in Utah? Well, seven. And we're complaining. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, they're doing the best with what they got, but these programs help fund, you know,

a lot of different programs for wildlife management programs throughout the state of Nevada. You know, just like the Heritage Fund does that, PIW entries and Silver State entries, they all have earmarks to be able to, you know, spend money towards programs to benefit these species across the state of Nevada. A lot of stuff's been—a lot of these species are intensive to manage in Nevada. Like I mentioned, it's the driest state in the nation. You know, Nevada has more water developments than any other state. There's no question about it. Well, Utah has like conservation tags. So, everybody has their little nuances of how they develop—you know, generate revenue. Yeah. And so, this DreamTags is one we were reading on here. It's kind of interesting. You know, how did it get started? It was the dream of several Nevada sportswomen and was approved in the Nevada 2009 legislature

and then since has been clarified and refined.

Anyway, so it's kind of interesting. So, Indow administers the program and sells the resource enhancement stamp. That's an option. Yeah. It's just a way to donate. Another $10 stamp. You know, it used to be mandatory, then they dropped that. Now it's just—but they left it. But it's not mandatory. They dropped the mandatory restriction and, you know, allow people to continue to donate, which I think is awesome, you know. Kind of goes through here, talks about all the rules, provisioning, governing lotteries. It's interesting with Nevada and the gaming and things like that. So, you know, they've got to follow certain protocol and restrictions. Both non-residents and residents are eligible. So, even though there's one deer, one antelope, one desert tag, and one elk tag, it's available to either resident or non-resident. That's the way it should be.

I mean, if we're going to vent a little bit on Wyoming. I mean, they use their super tag raffle that if a non-resident draws their moose or sheep tags out of there, it comes out of the whole statewide quota. And this year, that nullified any random sheep tag that could be given because the winners of the super tag raffle happen to be non-residents for the trifecta and the sheep. It should totally be a separate—I mean, it's not—it doesn't have anything to do with the draw or regular unit quotas. And if it's really about money, you know, just raise money. Sell tags to whoever wants them and, you know, draw a winner. You're talking four winners in the state, you know, four lucky people. So, it's awesome. You can buy tickets as long as you will be 12 or older before the first hunts. So, that's the way it's worded here, before the first hunts. A little awkward.

I mean, they could adjust that a little. The season dates are not set until March of each year, and the first archery seasons typically go open in August. So, they give a few little, for instance, parameters. Yeah. You may also purchase a resource enhancements tab. We talked about that.

You know, it's not limited to just the big game draw application period, one-stop shop, yada, yada. I mean, they're just talking just random rules, but nothing special here. And so, anyway, you'll go on and you'll select a certain amount of entries, add it to your cart, and you can add upon that as many times as you want. Like I say, a lot of these guys that have drawn have done, I don't know very many that have done one. Generally, it's been, you know, five or ten. A couple hundred bucks or whatever. Deadline, pretty critical. It's coming right up here. It's June 30th. Yep, June 30th. So, it's pretty much that way every year. I assume it'll be midnight. Yeah, I'm sure it's, yeah, 1159 probably. But we give the website, Jason, to NVDreamTag.org. NV for Nevada. NVDreamTag.org. You can find out all of the, all this frequently asked questions that we're going through here now.

It doesn't affect bonus points, doesn't use bonus points, it's just a, literally it's just a raffle tag. Yeah, and can you do both, you know, regular tags and buy for the DreamTag? Yeah, you can. It's totally separate again. You know, don't sweat that. You can draw both. Not a big deal. You can have both. We can have multiple tags for multiple species in Nevada. We've had people have that before, too. Anyway, $5 is what the initial, you know, entry fee is. Of course, you've got the 75 cents. The electronic application fee, 75 cents. So $5.75 per ticket. And the purchase period was October 15th. It started back in October 15th to, like you said, Adam, June 30th. So somebody's going to win them. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It's a great opportunity. And like I say, you can support the state. It's honestly, you know, the sportsmen and women in Nevada are very particular. They want quality.

They want it to be managed for quality. And so they ride the Wildlife Board Commission a bit and NDOW, Nevada Department of Wildlife. They ride them a bit. County advisory boards are pretty, they're passionate, like a lot of states are. But they're very, like you said, and I think it comes down to they realize their resources are more scarce, a little bit more scarce than other states because of the habitat. It's a dry-aired state for the most part. Things can fluctuate. You get three or four dry years in a row, really severe dry years in a row. We've seen what's happened to some of the desert sheep populations, mule deer populations, and things like that. So they are very sensitive when those things happen to cut back and to try to maintain and try to not run things in the ground. So hats off to the people of Nevada, both the cabs and Wildlife Commission.

We have a good relationship with them, but they try, right? They want to work with sportsmen and companies that promote hunting. And so, anyway, we appreciate that, and we're happy, you know, with the things they do and the efforts they make. Yeah, I mean, now that we're in fanboy mode of Nevada, one of the things that I really appreciate is how generous they are with their sheep as well. I was talking to Greg King about the nursery and the transplant that Utah's setting up, and they're getting their sheep from Nevada. Yeah, been a long time. Even back when I was a biologist and afterwards when I was president of Utah Wild Sheet Foundation, this is not a new thing. For like 15-plus years, and even longer than that because the late 90s we were getting sheep from them, but they've always been good. Good to ask them to Utah, good about sharing their resources when they have it together.

Well, and I've seen we've given them turkeys. I think we could give them some antelope at some point. We have. We did. But I just feel like sometimes we don't have a lot to offer them. Like, what are you going to do? What are you going to transplant? Like, you know, so anyway. You're right. And so that's another hats off to them for doing it without getting something in return. And in their minds, they realize that some of these sheep populations in the past, when you've got them, get them. Because, you know, too many sheep in certain places usually doesn't end well when they get too overpopulated from a disease standpoint or for sheep pioneering out into places you really don't want them. So they've, you know, it's why they have some of their ewe hunts, frankly, in some of their really productive units. And so, you know, yeah, we're right.

We in Utah, and I know a lot of other states, have received sheep from Nevada over the last several decades. So, and this type of money, whether it be money on Nevada's end or, like I said, in the case of Utah's end, these extracurricular funds, these types of programs are what fund those things. Well, and it says right in here, yeah, the proceeds, you know, less the cost of the Dream Tax purchased by the foundation. And any administrative costs charged by the foundation must be used for the preservation, protection, management, restoration of game and its habitat as determined by the advisory board on Dream Tax. So, you know, it's not just, you know, it's going to go to a good cause.

They usually have a very good governing board, just like, you know, other boards and states and some of this money that how it gets signed off by two or three people, usually the directors, a lot of times game and fish commission. So, anyway. Can a person who owes money, this is kind of interesting, can a person who owes money to the department purchase raffle tickets? Yes. But the sportsman or woman can purchase raffle tickets. But if he or she wins the Dream Tax, their outstanding fees must be cleared. I just, who would, would you want to owe the game and fish? Would you want to owe them? What would you owe them? Probably wouldn't want to. How would you owe them money? Like, I'm trying to, how are you in debt to them? They charge you for what you buy. I don't know. Like, for when you apply. I don't know. I don't know how you're in debt. How you owe money, Jason. I don't know.

But I wouldn't want to be that guy. No. Because you're probably going to have a little, something added to your truck that they can track you. And you're probably going to be this target. When you litter, you're probably going to get a ticket. Some little gum wrapper flies out. I don't know. Who knows? Are the tickets, ticket fees refundable? Like, who would ask that? But no, you've got to put it in there. No, by regulation, they're not refundable. And so, kind of interesting. If you're on a waiting period, can you purchase them? Yes, you can purchase them. We want your money.

Even if you're ineligible for this species, due to a waiting period, you can purchase tickets to get in. And so, might as well do it. When will the dream tags, when will the draw occur? It's shortly after July 1. Usually within 10 days, 10 or 15 days. So, it will be posted in early July on NevadaDreamTag.org. Again, www.NVDreamTag.org. And one winner per species goes through all that. And then, you know, who pays the tag fees? So, who pays for the license fees? The winners who have no license. The Community Foundation for Northern Nevada purchases the tags from Endow. That's pretty good. And will purchase the hunting license. Well, we don't need that because we're already applying. About $1,200, isn't it? $1,200 for elk and sheep. But I could split it with them. Put the cash in my pocket. Pay for it. Have one tank of gas to head to the hills. All right. So, yeah, pretty cool.

I don't know what else. We're running out of options of anything to dream about, pun intended, this time of year. We're pretty much down to a few of these raffle-type tags, Carter. I know. Anyway, so, if you're left on the outside to get a little extra cash, throw it in. Good cause. I'm thinking right here, like, I'm going to click here. And then, oh, here's the stamp. Okay, we could add that. I don't know. It says, you are no longer required. And it's in bold. They're not trying to hide it from you to buy the stamp eligible. However, if you choose, all net proceeds will go to the Department of Wildlife. They need a new truck here and there, dude. Have you seen their vehicles? I mean, these guys. It might be earmarked for habitat, though. So, I don't know if I could go to a new truck, Jason. I don't know. John's got me on this PC thing. He thinks it's equal. Or, excuse me, a Mac.

And he thinks it's equal to PC. It's not, Adam. Do you know that? The mouse is just filled different in your hands. Even the mouse. I can't. You can't run with this. You know what I can do on my computer? It would take me half the time to enter all this stuff. Are you actually going to pull the trigger on this? I'm going to pull the trigger on some of these. Antelope is last. I'm going to see what your quantity of tickets is going to be on Antelope. You've got to do one because I just want to donate. Okay. But I might not even freaking go. What do you mean? I don't know, Bronson. You know what? I had a guy hit me, text me, and he goes. Where did Adam say Antelope? And he quoted me in the podcast, and he says, yeah, when Antelope was the highlight of the weekend, it's a pretty slow weekend. And then it said Jason Carter. Yeah, Adam had a pretty slow weekend.

Well, it's also the deer are like, this was two weeks ago now. They're very underdeveloped, right? So you don't even know what you've got. But Antelope, you know, shed their sheaths in November, December, and they got stuff to look at. Them and elk. Well, so these deer, so we're getting a few photos in from people. And, hey, by the way, we want to see your stuff. Send us your scouting pictures. Now, we're not going to go kill your animals. We've got plenty to go on. Okay, trust me. But it is fun to watch the different growth throughout the West. I know parts of Utah is a little bit slow. Always is. You know, some of that southeast country. It's also mid to late June. We've got to remember that. Well, that's what you were saying. You went a weekend doing church duties, which is awesome. And you come back. You were gone three days. And you're like, it was almost as if, what did I miss?

Are they now 30 inches wide? Nothing changed. Nothing changed. They're still at their first four. That's part of the reason I had to go out the week before just to feel like I wasn't way behind. Because I've got projects to do, just like a lot of us. But from this weekend on, it's going to be a lot of scouting, a lot of cameras, a lot of glassing in places here. Starting in a week or 10 days, I'll start probably doing a little bit more glassing, trying to locate deer. You know what I'm excited about? What? Is you and I talked about some of this stuff.

There's some of these units that are very trail camera-able, if that's such a word. And you learn that that's the most effective way to hunt. That's the most effective way to scout it and maybe even hunt back in the day when you could run cameras during the season was to do that. Everything that you just said could be summed up in the term you and I like to call pre-scout. I love that word. It's an accurate word. It means everything. Everybody knows what you're saying. And so people like women that are significant in our lives that try to correct us, it's not correctable. Listen to all the words you tried to put together to try to say the word pre-scout. Just say pre-scout. Just say it. John? Also, the word scout means the same thing. Wow. Maybe, but could you scout during your hunt, Jason, technically? No. Is that still called hunting? No, it's called hunting. That's called hunting.

I like the word. The word scout means to go out in advance. So then you pre-scout, you actually pre-scout ahead of time. You're going out before you're going to scout. Yeah. So whatever, pre-scout. But it's all right. It's entered into the vocabulary. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's in the hunter vocabulary that isn't in Merriam-Webster or in the editor of Epic Outdoors. I like the term DIY. Okay. That means nothing to most people in the world. Probably not even a proper term, right? But we all know exactly what it means. Like, you know what I mean? So, anyway, wall hanger. Like, I know what that means. You know what I mean? It's very unique to our industry. All right. Cover the numbers. Slow roll the pines. A lot of those things have things. Slow roll the pines. Right? They all have numbers. Wyatt, and that fits him. They all have terminology for hunters.

They know what we're talking about. Whatever exhaust system Wyatt puts on his vehicles, it's been tried and true. Yeah. It's the most effective for the maximum amount of putting eyes on animals. If he could only figure out how to override a cruise control to let it set up below 10 miles an hour, he'd have it made. Five mile an hour cruise. Yeah. So, let's finish this thought about the trail camera stuff. So, anyway, if you need cameras, we've got them. All right. There's a plug for us. Whatever. Whatever. And if you don't have them, Bronson, I'm, John, we'll split them three weeks. That's fine. So, the other thing is, is hunting these units, going back to the roots of glassing, tracking, whatever. Some of you have to do it that way. Right? Because there's water everywhere. Yeah. And you're like, okay, this is an extra tough year for scouting because everybody's so used to cameras.

This isn't even, this isn't even hidden secret information. I mean, everybody's running cameras. That's got us tagged. Here in our, within 300 miles of Cedar City, Utah, everyone's running cameras. Yeah. But these units that you can't camera certain waters or whatever, the most effective is glassing. Good old fashioned. Yeah. Pre-scouting. Yeah. And, and it's, anyway, it's, it's coming on that time. And what I like about those kind of units, now that we're in unique, challenging times for trophy quality, is the kids that are going crazy. Let's say Logan's age, you know, 20 or, you know, 18 to 35. They grew up running cameras, right? I mean, you guys were like, you wouldn't know how to scout, pre-scout without running cameras, right? We didn't have those until 20 years ago, call it.

So go back to those units that you can't, that these kids are avoiding because it's not easy to just run a trap line. So target units that are not water dependent to use old school tactics. And you're going to find giants that people don't know about that die of old age. Now you're, you're undermining the common new age tactics and going to come up with old, old deer. I don't know. I just think you and I discussed it the other day and I think there's merit to it. Old dog using old tricks. You're making me feel old. Yeah, because there were a lot of years, no cameras. I mean, no cameras. Nobody had cameras. And then they went to film. I mean, that was like a waste, Jason. I mean, you had 36 exposure film. You could get that. You did the one hour Walmart photos. And if you wanted to cheat Walmart for heck's sakes. You could say, hey, that's a special. It just didn't turn out right.

These are all blowing grass. What do you mean it didn't turn out right? What do you mean looking at it? Well, there ain't a four hundo in there. Well, we were supposed to take a picture of a four hundo. It's blowing grass in every picture. I didn't take grass pictures. I didn't do that. That's not my film. And what's Walmart going to do? Like a good neighbor. They are going to accept that. I think you're intertwining companies there, but they might have said that. But anyway, I guess, yeah, you're right to some extent. There's some units that just aren't trail cameraable or don't do you a lot. I mean, the Henry Mountains, for instance, you know, Ponce, a lot of Utah deer units in places, they're not that critical. Now, there are places in Nevada and northern Arizona, which, of course, you can't run cameras anymore at all,

but that were incredibly effective at trail cameras because water is the number one limiting resource in these areas, and it's hotter than hot, 100 to 110 degrees. And so they're dependent upon those within a, you know, one to four-mile circle around it, and every two to three days they're coming to water no matter what in the summer. So it's interesting. So, yeah, I'm excited. Jason, I think you said you're kind of excited to get back to the old dog, old dog, old trick. I've actually been working it, and, yeah, I'm excited. Which is how you hunt during the hunt. That's what you've got to do. You know, these states we're talking about, Utah, and about you can't run cameras after August 1st. So when it comes time to hunt, we're just going to our glassing, and maybe you cut tracks leaving water and say, all right, there's a big track leaving this way.

I'm going to go out and find a glassing knob out here in a glass, or you just go find glassing knobs and hunt that way. So it's really how you hunt anyway, how you've got to hunt when you're actually hunting. You're just doing it in July and August now too. That's right. Yep, pretty awesome. So, yeah, we've got a lot of tags here, a lot of things going on. Logie Bear, did anybody bring – nobody's brought us your camera. Okay, I was just about to talk about that. Whoa. Something my brother asked me about that. Anybody found the – I get a text last night. Was it the revolver? What one do you have? My 360, yeah. Okay. I get a text last night, and in my imagination, he's standing in front of my camera texting me this. Will Carter really give me something if I bring him one of your cameras? Whoa. And you're like, oh. I text him back. I'm like, I don't really want to find out.

So can we publicly abolish the bounty on my truck? I'm getting a little nervous. Bounty's over. Okay. Yeah. That's perfect. That's a show. It's no longer prizes out there, but did you get a picture? Was that a cellular? So you would have got a picture. Did you have him? I don't know. It uploads in about 10 minutes, so I won't know. What do you mean? He texted me that last night, and it doesn't upload until 11 in the morning. You know why? Oh, really? You know why? Why? Can't you set that whenever you want it? You don't want to go through every one of your photos. That's right. They need their hands in it first. Can you change that? Yeah. You can set it. You can set it to where it's immediate. But that revolver eats a little bit more battery than your normal cell camera. But you can set it up with one of our little solar type options.

So at 11 o'clock, you come in and report to us and tell us if there was a dude standing in there at about 8 or 15 last night. Messaging me on Instagram. Let's post it up. Okay. That'll be the, hey, new podcast has dropped photo for this episode. That's the cover photo. Is that dude standing in the middle of a pond up to his waist? Or whatever. You got to swim out to it or whatever. Yeah. You're not going to get detected. That's right. Well, that's interesting. Can you also change the email after the fact that you set that up? Right now, these are coming to you, Logan. Could you change that to my email or Jason or anybody's email after it's... I haven't used that. I think you can, the camera's set up under your account on the app, but you can share it. So you have to open the app. Yeah. Yeah. But you can make it so multiple people can see it.

It's shareable because Josh is looking at his brother's photos. Mm-hmm. Me and my dad look at each other. Does it CC? Or do you CC or is he just 40? I don't know. I think he has access. The reason, I'm asking this for a reason. I wouldn't give Josh access to mine, would you? Do you trust the guy? I had a friend that went out setting cameras, my brother and a friend, and they divided and conquered. And here's the cameras. Here's I want them. Go and do good things. And they all came back and camped together every night. Well, they started getting cellular pictures back from this one spot, but this one, this guy's going to remain anonymous. Sure. But they started getting from this one location cellular pictures coming back. And it's the beautiful sunsets every night from about eight o'clock till dark. The sun, the camera's pointed like it's sky. Into the sun.

And it's just, it's, I don't know if a bear licked it and moved it, whatever. But they've got beautiful sunsets every night for an hour nonstop. Hike back in. Nonstop. Okay. And what I was saying is it would be nice if he could just get in there, change the email to that guy's email so he gets every one of them and he realizes, yeah, I really screwed up. I need to drive back down there. It was my job. Yeah. We give you one job. So the one thing about the revolver though, Josh was saying that, so it's 360. If you have all the stations set up, it'll hit, it senses something like, like you're not supposed to set them up into the sun or either setting or rising. So anyway, he says these certain, on the certain stations, he's getting the sunsets and sunrises because that's sensing it. It pivots around, takes a picture, hammers those pictures until that, you know, the sun's down.

Probably a late tree getting back. The settings of what? That's turning off that zone. On that zone during a certain time? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It just turns that zone off. So if a two Honda walks in at the same zone at night, you're not getting it. Into the sun. Yeah. You're not getting it. But you wouldn't on a normal camera either if you had set it up that way because you're taking pictures of the sun. Okay. You know. But anyway, kind of interesting. You could remotely turn those zones off. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing he said about that revolver is he's getting pictures much farther away. Yes. The range on the revolver is insane. I've never. Really? I've never had a camera do this well. For anything? For anything. Yeah. I've got it set up on a trough. It's probably 40 or 50 yards away from a trough. You just said we're going to build the location. Yeah. The bounty's off. I feel safe. Okay.

And it's getting things well beyond the trough as they're walking in. And so we're talking 80 to 100 yards. It's triggering. Wow. You know, you're from Beaver County and you have a lot of connections there. Right. The whole Beaver County knows you. We just all know each other. Everybody knows everybody. Everybody knows you as Logie Bear. That's right. So, has Josh offended any of them? Are you getting blowback? Are they even listening? Yeah. They usually just ask me if I'm okay. They think I'm getting bullied over here. Oh. None of them care about the Beaver County slander. Is this your mom and dad or is there other people besides your mom and dad asking you about your well-being? The most common phrase that I get texted or told whenever I'm in Beaver County is, do all they do over there at Epic is just bully you all day? Well, we got to set that record straight. We like Logan.

We actually don't even go over to his office. He's probably doing nothing. We don't even check up on him. John, do you check up on Logan? Yeah, constantly. Does he get any good work? Yeah, I've got the whip out a lot. You've got the output? There's output there? There is. I'm a profitable employee. No kidding? Yeah. All right. I don't know if this is... Well, submit some financials. Let's see where the income is coming from. If it makes you... Whoa. I told Logan, if he feels bad, just go back and listen to when Wyatt started here. Wyatt and Devin. I was just going to say the exact same thing. It was brutal. It was brutal. It has something to do with Bachelors because we were all the old married dudes and it was Chris before... When Chris used to work here before he was married, it was Wyatt and Devin. They all took it on the chin. I don't know. It's just... Part of it. Part of it.

I don't know. I have to... Whenever I go on a date, I have to have him sign a release form because it might just come out on the podcast. NDAs? Yeah. I like it. Right. Have you been dating, Logan? Speaking of... Yes, I have been going on dates. Girls? Well, yeah. They are girls, actually. Not just making sure. Well, what do you mean? Well, it could be a live supporter. Don't bring up the cat... Don't bring up the cat fishing incident anymore. Oh, jeez. That's over. That was... He learned from that. He's now much more wary. It's kind of like clicking on those Norton Ana virus and PayPal receipts that you get every day in your email. Don't click on them. I know. What is the technique for sleuthing that out, Logan? Like, do you have to say, hey, send me a picture. Send me a picture with your hands in the sign of a heart. That's where this is headed. Something specific. Yeah. Send me...

I don't know. The Taylor Swift. Yeah. Yeah. It hasn't happened enough that I've had to come up with a real shift. Send me a picture of your armpits. If they're hairy, I'm not taking it. I mean, I don't know where it's at. I don't usually ask for people's armpit pictures. Well, this day and age, you don't know if you're dating a girl or a boy, right? I just need a driver's license before I'm picking you up. That's it. No, I'd say birth certificate. You gotta be a birth certificate. There's fake driver's license. Sean told me all about it. Like, there's fake driver's licenses that are legit. Anyway. All right. Way past that. Over it. Good luck, Logan. Thanks. I'm not sure I would want to be sleuth. Is that what you called it, John? Sleust. Sleust? Yeah. How do you figure that out? Define that. Don't want to be. What's the definition of sleust? Jason. Sleust bot? No.

I mean, I couldn't type on this thing. It's not a PC. TH. That's what they do to, like, gold panning, isn't it? Hey, so I just, did you guys notice? I just, I bought in. $131.75 of DreamTag entries for Jason Carter, one of which was an antelope. Yep. You guys want to take a turn? You guys need this keyboard? I will do it. Why don't you just, not right now. I want to use a PC keypad, though, and a mouse. I feel more comfortable. Go ahead. Go ahead. Try typing on this. It feels like I'm cramped. I mean, it took me 14 minutes longer than normal because it's a Mac. But hey. Well, all right. All right. So anyway, there you go. NVDreamTags.org, everybody. If you're interested, go on there. It gives you another opportunity. I know most everybody has an open hunting schedule. Tags are tough to get nowadays. They've been finite numbers for non-residents.

Non-residents are having more and more restrictions, which is warranted in some cases. Not all against that. Just sometimes it's hard to watch. And then also when you have droughts and winter losses and curtailing of tags in general, plus just higher demand, people are wanting to go. Tough to come by. So anyway, just another option for y'all. Definitely less than 5% of all hunters out there have too much in their schedule, I'd say. I don't know what the percentage is, but it's not even close to the majority. If you want to argue it's 90 or 95, go for it. But I'm saying it's less than 5%, yeah. 95% plus of people could add something like this to their schedule, and it would be awesome. And anyway, wish y'all luck doing it. I think that's a pretty good segue into, you know, pumping our service. If you're applying in your home state only, your schedule's never going to be full.

You're never going to have the tags that you need. So you need to be applying in lots of states. Some of these states have pretty good over-the-counter, lots of birds. You know, like Arizona's, I don't know, it's interesting. Arizona and Nevada both. We need to move the headquarters there. Maybe have some things in the works.

I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag, yeah. No cat in the bag. We need to put the cat in the bag. Speaking of a cat, Logan just showed you a bobcat. Yeah, Logan, that was a pretty good picture. Have you ever seen a bobcat that? It had really nice spots on it. It was big. I don't know, just a pretty bobcat. It was. Good looking cat. Revolver pick of the year. Okay. All right, well. Well, let us know. Submit that to Stel. Tell me if they publish it. Let us know at 11 o'clock. Actually, you've got one minute. Can we stay here on the air for one minute? You're going to get your email in one minute. All right. Let's talk about something else for one minute. Yeah. I want to know if there's a dude standing at his camera last night. But anyway.

Will they all come down, or is it going to churn and spitter and sputter and all that? Well, he's sitting right here in Wi-Fi, so he should get them. By the way, Bronson, you know what? We did hear, and we were talking about this, is they're going to have satellite phone service for their iPhones come September-ish. John, do you know anything about that? Have you read into that? You guys are maybe more techie than Jason. Jason and I just want to know if it's worth doing and how to do it. The interesting thing is that they haven't released any kind of pricing or anything like that, but apparently you'll be able to text. He was standing over my camera when he texted me that. Dude, you just got it. Oh, my gosh. Did you nail him? That's funny. Do you know who it is? Did he get a facial? No, I didn't know who he was. He requested me on Instagram yesterday. Oh, my gosh. The same guy? Yeah.

There you go. He's there? Do you have his face or just his? Well, hey, what? Hey, listen. It seems like I'm not sure. We might should give him something because we didn't stop it until this podcast, but he actually found it the day before. What were we saying we were going to do for him? But he has to return it. He has to bring it to the office. Well. He has to dismantle it off of wherever. As of a half hour ago, my camera's still standing, so he didn't follow through. But he found it. Yeah. Maybe we should give him an attaboy for not ripping off Logan's camera. All right. Send him a camera. What were we going to do? What did we do? Yeah, I don't know what we did. Logan, do you remember what we said? I think we were going to give him a trail camera. I think it wasn't. But it actually didn't come in, but I don't care. Let's just give him a camera. What didn't come in?

Well, I mean, I'm not looking at it. Yeah, but he held restraint. He found it. He said he found it. He did. And he exercised restraint and didn't rip it out of the ground. He did. And we don't have to deal with it. It's like geocaching. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to deal with Logan being an en route. I've got to go out and put a new camera in the spot. Well, then he's going to want to charge us gas. And he's going to want to do it on company time.

We're going to have Beaver County to ask him for the receipts if we've reimbursed Logan for his time and suffering. Or for just bullying him where he's just our whipping boy. You're not that, Logan. So let's ship whoever this guy is. DM him on Instagram. Let's get him sent a camera. Send him a camera. Appreciate it. So why did you close that out? I want to see what else you've got on there. Let's see that. Any bucks? You can go to it. You got any big bucks? You don't want to say because now he's on his face. Yeah. Well, all right. That's a two direct question. Let's now talk about all of your trail camera trapline in the whole world right now. And do you have anything of interest? Not talking about the one specific one that we're talking about there. Anything of interest? The worst part about this trail camera line is that I don't even have a tag for this unit. Who are you scouting for?

Your dad? Family? My brother's got a pretty good tag on this unit. And then my dad's got a tag for this unit. So I'm just Helpy Helperton this year. You're actually being abused by them. I am. Yeah. Free labor. Do they appreciate you, Logan? No. Are you appreciated in your family? No. Are you more appreciated here at work than you are in your own family? Well, that's pretty close. All right. Well, we're going to keep this. And why are you appreciated? Because you have a truck. That's right. And we can abuse your stuff. We're going to make this a fair fight. That's what families do. We're getting singled out for abusing you. We're going to point out any other points of abuse from other people in your life. You've got to make sure everybody's even. That's right. So anyway, I think Apple's coming out with a satellite phone service. I don't know what it'll look like.

It'll just be another way to track you everywhere you go. Jason, that's right. They're getting rid of TikTok and they're adding this. Yeah. So they're already doing that. What? Yeah. Tracking everything. Yes. But it's like my dad, he'll get on these kicks where he's just paranoid. They're tracking and like, you know, they're listening to everything we say. Have you ever told your dad? Dad, you have it in your pocket and you're not willing to not have a cell phone. And do you think they really care what you're doing? No. You better be one pretty interesting dude. Yeah. For Joe Biden to be tracking you around. Well, Hunter, he's going to track any. All right. I'm not going to go there. He gets the questionable accounts and he deep into them. But Crazy Joe, you've got to enunciate very well. He's not going to pick up what you're putting out. It's just his people. Okay. All right. I'm done.

We're done. We're done, Bronson. Because this is going to go down some crazy roads. Crazy Joe roads. I think it is. Primary Election Day here in Utah. It is, actually. Today, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Did you get your votes in? That was like two or three weeks ago. I don't know. I was mail in. I don't like going in person anymore. I don't either. We mail in, too. We mail in, too. We mail in, too. All right, everybody. There's a few opportunities out there. If you need help, let us know. Of course, we're in Monday through Thursday. We don't work Fridays. Scouting season. We are out scouting. Right, Logan? That's right. So, we're working four tens here at Epic, or at least some of us are working a full ten. And, anyway. What are you saying? Out and about. I'm just saying, Bronson. I'm not saying anything about you because I'm in the same boat. I had projects on Thursday and Monday. Okay.

I'm not even calling you out. Just didn't know who you were talking about there. Me. Me. Okay. John, especially. John, you and I will talk about it next week when Jason gets back from a week-long vacation. Hey, I'm in desperate need of a little vacation. We all are. That hits the time of year. Anyway. But if you do have something to report to us, a tag you've drawn, you haven't called in, got a member draw list, got an outfitter recommendation, talked to us about optics or tripods or something like that, please give us a call, 435-263-0777. The hunts are going to be here sooner than you think. The gear that's in stock now, who knows, there are certain things that could be harder to get right during the hunts, so keep us all in line. Trail cameras, too, like you said. That's right. Go support Nevada, NVDreamTags.org. Super good state. We're a fan. They care about hunters.

They appreciate us as non-residents as well. So, anyway, awesome opportunity, just another excuse to give them a few bucks and be in another draw. All right. Good luck, everybody.

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