Advancements in Optics with Colby Kroff of Swarovski. This week we had Colby Kroff of Swarovski in the studio. Colby brought in the new, highly anticipated, EL Range TA. The advancements are incredible. Bluetooth capable, the ability to program ballistic profiles from rifles, and the all new Tracking Assist program. The optics world is evolving constantly and the new technology is pretty impressive. Check out this episode and get the latest from Swarovski
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Muzzle velocity, bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, clarity of glass, and the quality of glass. Unbelievable. Pretty awesome piece of equipment. If you shorten the eye relief, you’ll widen the field of view. Anything to do with Western big Games? Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody. Jason Carter. Adam Bronson. Devon, we got you in the office here today. At least you’re always in the office podcast room, but we got you in this office. Drug. You in here? Podcast room? I’m here. Great. Willingly? Willingly. Yes. Good. Wantingly. Good, good talk. Whatever you wanna call it. We had to drag him in here, but anyway, it’s good for him. Of course. We got Chris Peterson. We also have a special guest from Swarovski. Got Colby here. He’s our rep there at Swarovski. Great guy. Very knowledgeable. How you doing? I’m doing well. It’s good to be back. I think anytime you get invited back anywhere, it’s a good sign, right? Yeah. Good to be back on. Appreciate it. Unless it’s prison. Well that’s a good point. That’s a good point. Well, there’s a few places some people wanna go back. I hadn’t considered that. I guess. Free food roof over your head, huh? Alright, so anyway, we’ve got a couple new products. We’ve had a swarovski’s been very innovative, it feels like in the last, feels like 12 months. Of course. Thi these kinds of products are in the works for probably 24, 36 months.
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Who knows how long, how long does it take to make some of these new products? Years. Years and years. Like so our A TX. Yeah. Our A-T-X-S-T-X spotting scope. We launched, what, seven or eight years ago? That was nine years in the making. Wow. This I remember some features of this binocular, this new EL range being talked about when I started night, 10 years ago. Wow. So it’s always, we’re always in the process stuff. When we talked about, about the nls, wasn’t it 15 ish years after the ELs? I mean, I’m rounding 14. I mean, you’re not gonna just make something and then start making the next thing. There’s gonna be a natural progression in technology before you say, Hey, we can do that better. Now there’s some new but, but it’s it’s years. It takes a while. And, and if also it’s the old saying, if it’s ain’t totally broke, don’t fix it too. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Still the consumer’s demanding so much with these phones anymore. Yep. You know what I mean? Well, and with the equipment, but you know, rifles and the stuff that we’ve now used, it’s different. Look, look at that. Just in the last five to seven years, and that’s advanced. I’m sure this elevated it in terms of a priority. Let’s, let’s get this out. Absolutely.
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This environmental data, you know, all the Bluetooth data for these longer range rifle shooters or just normal range, four to 500 yard rifle shooters. Just to be, to add precision Yeah. Absolute to your shooting. So yeah. It’s exciting to talk about. You guys launched it, I guess officially in terms of an announcement here in the last month. The fifth, yeah, the 15th of January. Yeah. Two, three weeks ago when we launched it. Yeah. And they’re gonna be available here within the next week to 10 days, you know, delivery time. So Yeah. Starting to ship February one. So there we go. Awesome. Starting to ship and shipping good quantities of ’em. Should be good quantities. Yeah. That’s, that’s what I think’s important to note is if you want a pair of these, you can get a pair. Yep. You’re gonna able be able get a pair. Yep. So we’re pretty excited. So where we start, more of a personal question. I was just thinking, oh, okay. For Kobe, he’s a hunter. Yep. But you know, this stuff just keeps going crazy. We just keep innovating and innovating and innovating. You’ve probably had the question like how smart’s too smart. Yeah. You know what I mean? Ab Absolutely. How much technology is too tech, too much technology, and you’re a hunter yourself. Yep. You know, but at the same time, I’m gonna take stuff like this in the field, so, and people ask us that question. Yeah, absolutely.
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There’s absolutely an advantage to, to having technology. Right. It doesn’t, you still have to find the game. You still have to be, have some field craft and, and be able to, to, to know the area and all that. It doesn’t, it’s not a, it’s not a cheat by any means. It does make you more effective and more efficient. Yeah. And I, that’s what I like about it. And there are people that will completely reject all the technology anyway and just do it the way they’ve always done. And that’s fine as well. You take what, choose your way to hunt. Yeah. Choose your way to hunt. Absolutely. And there’s no problem with that at all. I, I think back to a, a long time ago when Rangefinders were fairly new, another manufacturer brought out a rangefinder that had 10 different radical choices and you had a bow mode and a rifle mode and all kinds of features. Even a feature where you could measure an object at distance, you know, and that were so complicated that pe people rejected it. Yeah. At that time. Maybe it was ahead of its time. Right? Yeah. So I think you can go too far that direction and add so many features that it becomes maybe Yeah. Marginally unusable, complicated user friendly when it comes in time of war. You wanna be able to kill stuff fast. Yes. Exactly.
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And that’s what I think part of this is, you get to, there’s so many variables. You gotta do this. I gotta click, I gotta level the rifle. I’ve, yep. I mean it become, the whole process becomes such a process that the animal just walks away. Right. Or, or you miss it few times or whatever. Right. And so you gotta be, it’s one thing to have the technology, but you also gotta be able to use it. Yeah. You can’t be a slave to it either. Yeah. If, if for some reason it doesn’t work or, or, or or whatever. Right. You can’t be a slave to it. It can’t be something that that gotta be able to go back. Yeah. Gotta have the fun fundamental drills of of that’s get done. That’s those times that canyon fogs in really bad. And you can see enough to shoot, but somebody can’t range it can’t range it. You’re like, yeah, I can’t do anything. And then in the past, in the past, pull the trigger, I’m gonna spot you. That’s, that’s right. A little higher. That’s right. Well, and think about this once in a while. I think about this as, do you guys carry a compass nowadays? Just tell me, just, do you carry a compass? No, I have one in my packet all the time. Okay. So I have one too. I haven’t looked at it. I’ll bet you for 20 years. Same. Okay. Yeah.
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And my kids, you think they have a compass? No way. I don’t, they, my kids don’t how to use ’em. And we’ve talked about this other thing, like we got replaceable blade knives that we just have with our kids and all that. I don’t, haven’t taught Mike boy how to sharpen a knife properly and steel. Do you feel like you know how to sharpen a knife properly? Oh, I do because I don’t, dad don’t. I grew up shaving. I’ve arm one that can sharpen a knife with, with bear razor heads. My dad used Bear Razorhead or Wikis and you had to, and they said when you can cut your hair on your arm, they’re ready to put in your quiver and go that way. Okay. So I learned that way much older than the rest of us. And, and I always sharpen, I did the same thing. I was the knife sharpener sitting there. We had four knives and I would do this. Can’t do it. I’ve told this story before. I’m not even lie, I can’t do it, I can’t do that. But I’ve tried. I used to shoot the wikis. I tried, but you know what made me feel good about it had to be sharper a rock. And people used to use rocks, used to chip rocks point. Yeah, that’s right. It was just, it got, but it got cumbersome. It was really cumbersome.
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After a while, as I got older, I’m like, ’cause every year, just from being an in outta your quiver or whatever else, they’re like, you gotta touch ’em up. And if you’re not just, if you’re just off, you can spend 10 to 15 minutes and make ’em worse. Make it worse. So I don’t use those anymore. That is my point right there. Yeah. I don’t use them anymore, making stuff worse. But anyway, that was a digression. But we’re all all talking about, I guess, advancements to make us hopefully a better, more efficient hunter. You know, we all know the level of quality with swar off glass. And now we’re taking the EO range, which has been around for years. I don’t know how long the, the regular EO range has been around and it’s ability to range. How long do you remember? 10 years? 10 years? Yeah. Yep. And now adding the, I say the final components because I don’t know what more there would be to add environmental data or other feature. I don’t really know. There’s gonna be more. I, I know, but our brains right now don’t know what we don’t know. But by the end of this podcast, we come up with some ideas. I don’t know. I don’t really don’t know. And then we need to patent those ideas, you know, with, with everything that goes into these apps and the, the mathematics involved in the calculations.
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And I, I really don’t know. The big things are definitely accounted for. How many more minor things. And maybe that goes back to what you’re saying, Kobe, you, you know, you can just keep adding, adding Adam. Maybe that’s why stuff takes eight to 10 years to really Perfect. Yeah. This is really what we’re gonna go to market with because I’m sure it started at this and now it’s at this in terms terms of the stuff that, that doesn’t make a difference as much. Like, you know, the other things you’ve elevation or temperature, barometric pressure, all the different things that really can add up bigger. You’ve got ’em, you’ve, you’ve encapsulated, so you’re, so these we’re talking about the EL range, the new EL range TA for tracking assistance. Right. But as we get started on this, like where does this take in temperature? This It is. Yep. So let’s back, let’s back up. Where like, like where? Back up a little bit. So I think nine years was the old one. Not 10 years. I’m just thought back. It was the very first product that was launched when I started working for Swarovski. And it was right after I started. Okay. So, okay. I think it was nine years. So, and in nine years we didn’t really make any significant changes to that.
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We tweaked the outside a little bit, made some cosmetic changes, but it was electronically and optically the same unit for that long and still sold very well. Right. So this one had to be really good to, you know, to to be the predecessor of that. Right. It kinda like the old classic Chevy, like you just Yeah. The late nineties I loved them. Yeah. Huh. That’s a battle bike’s 96, they went to the Vortec engine. But I, I mean other than that it’s a little Chevy. All right, keep going. So this does do that Adam? It does. It’s got a, a little sensor right here. It takes, that’s the sensor. Yeah. Right there. That’s a light. But it takes temperature. That’s a light barometric pressure. Yeah. That’s how you know your Bluetooth is on That’s tiny dot. I thought that was a blemish in the code. Like, like a lot of these, I mean if you have it blasting in your truck at 90 degrees and then step right out, it could have a little bit of variation when you drop out at zero degrees. But I mean overall it does update pretty quickly though. If I see 160 inch buck and I’m breathing hard, that’s gonna elevate this temperature and it’s gonna be off. Well what about, what’s this larger one you set as a light? That’s a light? Is that just for indication light? So you know the Bluetooth is on.
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Oh and it’s actually for calibrating the compass as well. That’s okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Gives you some information. So there it is for your environmental factor. Yeah. Barometric pressure, temperature. Yeah. So when you push the range button it, it samples barometric pressure, temperature, it takes the angle into account and the distance. And it applies that to a ballistic curve that you’ve loaded into it with Bluetooth and it gives you a shooting solution. No, that’s just math in your Yeah, it’s just math. Just math. It gives you a shooting solution in your field of view. Tells you what to dial your scope to. Does this little sensor do the barometric pressure too? Yes, I believe so. Temperature, everything. That little thing. Probably the only environmental, not a scientist, but I believe that’s where the environmental and all that’s programmed into the app. And prior to you can, yeah. Yeah. So the app, the app is actually really user-friendly. In fact, the first time I showed this to anyone, I just handed them the binocular, handed them the app and let them mess with it. And within about 10 minutes they had their ballistic data loaded into the binocular and we were off and running. So it’s really user, user-friendly, really intuitive. But you basically put your muzzle velocity, bullet weight ballistic coefficient in the app. It’s actually got a big long list of loads you can choose from barrel twists from all this stuff. Yeah.
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Put all the information in there and it’s just like anything else, the better information you put in, the better the result’s gonna be. But you put all that in, you can do that for three rifles and then transfers ’em over to oc the binocular. You choose whichever rifle you’re using different profiles using at the time and, and factory ammunition list. That’s awesome. It’s got a whole list. In fact, there’s stuff on there that I’ve never even heard of. European brands and whatever. That’s nice though for Yeah. Muzzle for starting well fishing place for some people. That’s right. You’re using six five PRC with factory. Yeah. 1 43 factory. That one. At the time you couldn’t find reloading components when I was developing that gun. Maybe you couldn’t find brass bullet, all that, but you could find factory and I border two cases and it shot it great. I’m my six five PRC shoots the factory stuff. I’m like, I’m not gonna change. So that would be in here. It’s in there. Yep. Nowadays it’s so consistent. You’re, you’re good to go if you wouldn’t. So that might be what’s in there. Now that might be the data that we were working at earlier for prc. But you rad Emily. But same thing. Yeah. That’s really cool. I, I would say the number one question I get with all range finding binoculars across the spectrum is the app and user-friendliness. Yeah.
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Guys don’t want to have to no, spend three hours on a Saturday trying to figure out how to work that. And it’s as easy as just picking your load from a list, telling it what what your elevation is and sending it to the binocular. That’s, and it’s easy. And if you wanted to simply that easy and if you wanted to simplify it, let’s say you didn’t want to do all your load data testing as long as you went out the range and your, your, your, you gunshot it well, one 300 yards, whatever you wanna do and you felt comfortable with it, use that and take out a lot of the r and d of your own guesswork and reload it. Okay. I thought you were gonna say send it all to Devin and Devin we’ll send back to you. No, no, no, no. I just mean pickers from, there’s a demand there. Pick it from the suite, you know, I mean Devon’s custom shop, unless you find some obscure ammo, you know, company that’s not in there. But I mean all the major ones are gonna be in there. Well, it’s gotta be close even though Yeah. I mean your lot of powder might be a little bit different Yeah. From, you know, factory. That’s where I think where we’re talking about with custom loads, if you get the exact, you went out and chronograph it, you got the exact speed.
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But it’s gonna, it’s gonna be plus or minus. Yeah, for sure. And there’s actually a way in the app as well to true, to true the information. Right. So you’re always gonna be best with an actual Yeah. Measured muzzle velocity. But there’s a a, an advanced part of the app where you can give it either a, the degradation of velocity over distance if you have a way to measure that, which is kind of hard. But you could also give it the, the factory speed, shoot it and then go back in and tell it, it drops four more inches at this distance than what? Than what It’s what the Yeah. You ground ocular thought a little bit. Yeah. And it, it calculates it backwards. And you gotta do that honestly on our, I mean, because depending on the chronograph and sometimes, you know, your plus or minus 25 to 40 Sure. Feet per second. Sometimes it’s never, I mean, you can leave your shells out in the sun for 20 minutes and you could gain per second’s. That’s what I mean. So how much did you say? 40, 50 maybe? Yeah. Enough to 40 to 50 enough hundred yard to make a difference. Oh, it’ll make a difference. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well I think that’s what, you know, good friend of ours, oh, Mark Thompson talked about cooking your shells a little bit. Like he’s like, your barrel will get warm and your’re running through some round through.
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Don’t just leave it in there and cook the round. ’cause it changes with your chamber being hot. That’s right. You’re shooting four rounds chamber one will sit there for 60 seconds, something to it. We’ve all been known to heat up a barrel, I guess. Yeah. I really de Yeah, maybe a moose hunt story. We got caught up, belt feeding, whatever you wanna call it. I popped an extra, I always pop an extra one in, you know, extra belt or an extra What? Okay. Okay. You you wanna move on? Yeah, let’s move on. Okay. Which would you rather do? Run out of ammo or, you know, or, or the moose came home with you. That’s all basement right now. He’s in your basement. There you go. Just keeps shooting until you run out. He’s got a hole through the hole, falls, whatever. He’s dead. It’s a little bit lighter to pack it back to camp. It’s not a big deal. Oh, not too bad. But anyway, we like to give a little bit harder. So, so the act the app talk, I mean, it sounds like it’s very simple if you’re handing it to somebody without saying, Hey, read the owner’s manual and do this. Somebody that obviously is familiar enough with how to use that, how to, you know, download the app from the app store. Right, right.
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You know, I think a lot of it’s just people don’t know about, they don’t know about, they don’t know apps are for millennial 20, 25 year olds or something like that. And to some extent I even fall into that. I don’t have a lot of extracurricular apps on my phone. I have ones I use and if I don’t use ’em much, they’re gone. Yeah. This is one that, that I will definitely use. Yeah. And and they’re, they are very, like you said, you can, you can, you can add a few more layers of stuff, your site height and a few different things. But the basic stuff is very simple. Absolutely. That you may have already yourself or the custom gun manufacturer that built your rifle, built your load for that rifle. You’re just gonna get that right from them. It’s, and then it’s just, as long as you don’t fat finger a decimal point, the wrong fat finger, something in there, you’re, you’re probably figure something right out in the middle of winter. But anyway, you know, with these binoculars, I know guys like, they’ll have their grandkids or whatever help ’em get the app, right, for sure. And then they’ll be like, Hey, I’m never letting go of these binoculars and I’m never selling that ride. Order me 1400 more rounds so they never have to change their situation.
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You know, or there’s, so anyway, that makes it to where it’s foolproof and they don’t have to continually think about apps and things like that with people that don’t want to do it, but Yeah. But it’ll get it adv it’ll get as advanced as you want it to get. So can you use this as just a range finder? You can, don’t even have to worry about it. Yep. It’ll, it’ll do just exactly what the old one will do. It’ll give you angle compensated range, angle compensation range, angle compensated range. It’ll give you angle in degrees. It’ll give you just straight line of sight. You can turn all the fancy stuff off if you want. Not if you want not even use it. Which is, which is why the, we’ll call it the old now EO range is is gone. It’s not in production anymore. Correct. It will not be. And so those that are out there, they’re still run. They function like you just described, but they’re not, you’re not gonna be able to buy both models. The TA and that’s and the old model. Correct. This one replaces the old one. I wonder if they’ll be worth more money. The old ones, you know, like collect, collect collectors, plenty of ’em out there. Usually. They could be really worth, they’re can’t be very many. I might we Nine years we sold a lot. That’s right. I might hold onto mine anyway. They’re special. Yeah.
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So, well the one thing I think about these two is we’re talking about the clo the clarity of glass and the quality of glass. Unbelievable. We had ’em out right out here we’re, dude, I was ranging 1800 yards, no problem. But then just glass in the country around not, we’re not talking buildings, we’re talking trees and rocks and mountains and whatnot that we have around here. It was pretty impressive. It is unbelievable. Yeah. It’s a huge step up. There was a bit of a compromise, quite honestly, in the old binocular to get it to do what it could do when we built it, when we designed with the technology they have Exactly. Whatever. Exactly. So it wasn’t hd it wasn’t, it didn’t have field flattening, it didn’t have some of the other optical advantages that some of our other optics had at the time this one has. But now that you can incorporate it. Yeah, absolutely. It’s, it falls somewhere between the el current el binocular, which is the flagship by which all of their binoculars, which was major for a long time. It was the most amazing binocular ever built. Absolutely. 11 and a half months ago. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. I mean, we’re talking recent times. Yeah. And, and between that and the NL P, which is, which is the new flagship, so step above the quote, we’ll just call ’em old el Yep. Glass Yeah.
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And the current nl Yep. It does have all the, the SW vision package, which is, which is a HD objective lenses field flat lens in the, so we, so just dum it down for us and say, is HD just a term? It, it can be a term. There’s no well there’s no Does it really mean, like what does HD mean to swirl and what does swirl vision mean? That’s a good question. Really good question. Because it can be, it can mean nothing depending on who’s talking about it or the company. There’s no, we’re talking about Yeah. There’s no f fda a for optics that says, right, in order for it to be this, this, this meet the specification, this is a, this new wazu hd, you can now call’s what I want. That’s what I want. Or yeah, whatever. Yeah. So what, what what HD means to us and any real reputable manufacturer is that the presence of some kind of aromatic system, which reduces color fringing. So when light passes through glass and prisms, it kind of splits a little bit into different spectrums of, of different colors of the spectrum. And h HD or an aromatic lens system does a really good job of putting those colors essentially back together before they get to your eye. And it’s usually done, in fact, most commonly done with fluoride, high glass, high-end fluoride or fluorite glass in the objective. Right. That that’s what it is.
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That’s what it means. It’s been, I don’t know what the proper term is that it’s been dumbed down in the industry for a long time. Mostly by less reputable manufacturers as, you know, some kind of an HD coating or Right. Or whatever. But that’s, that’s why sometimes you’ll see that’s how you define it. We, we call it hd. You’ll see other, in the camera system, you see a lot of we’re a p what you call a aromatic. Yeah. Like, I’m not gonna say that word. You’re not gonna say that. Right. You’re to write it this. Right. And it doesn’t sell well. Yeah. The HD sells well. hd. Exactly. So that’s what it, that’s what it is. So it has that, it has a fluoride objective lens essentially. And then it has, the other part of soro vision is in the eyepiece, that design of the eyepiece it there, there’re filled flattening lenses in there which remove all of the size and shape distortion from the image. And also the design of the IP gives it long eye relief and a wide field of view, which are two things that are usually mu mutually exclusive. If you generally, if you shorten the eye relief, the eye relief is how far from your eyeball the binocular has to be to get a full picture.
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If you shorten the eye relief, you’ll widen the field of view and you can, you know, think about looking, put your hand out there, look through a circle of made with your hand and move it closer to your face. You see a wider field, right? Yeah. As you move closer. Same thing with binoculars. This has a, has long eye relief. I think it’s 17 millimeters. It might be longer than that, which is long, which makes it easy for eyeglass users to use. And people that have it still gives good faces or whatever. And it, and it has a wide field of view, it’s actually wider than the, than the regular el. So that’s why, because that, that’s that same technology we’ve talked about back in the nl right? I think it was, I don’t wanna say 17 to 20%. I can’t remember bigger field of view in the 40, 42 millimeter than the old 40. And maybe that had to do with eye relief. Yeah, it’s a little, it’s a little different. A little different. These, the, in the NL that’s accomplished by tilting the prism in the actual housing to get that wide field of view in this, it’s the design of the eyepiece that just tweaks the field of view a little bit better. Okay. I see. Than the, than what the regular EL has.
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So, and, and what I think is really cool about this, and you asked about the old model and you know, and the differences in, in that, the cool thing about this new model is it does all of these things. It’s so much better optically than the old one. It’s so much better optically than most range finding binoculars out there. And it’s only 7% more expensive than the old one. So it’s not like it’s, you know, a crazy Yeah. Added a lot. Yeah. And we added a 10. So what do we add? Let’s say 30% add feels like a 30% upgrade. I mean a 7% cost increase. Well that might be 30% in the optics. And then you gotta add the percentage increase in all the, the data, environmental data. It’s 50% it feels like, I mean, a huge jump. Let’s talk about the ta Oh yeah, the TA on the end. It’s el range TA tracking assistant. We talked about that a little bit when you first got here. Of course. Looked at some of the different maps and whatnot on your phone and how it connects to those. We’ll just let you Yeah, this is one of those, the features that I, that I, that was, was talked about years ago when I first started at the company.
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We were starting to brainstorm some ideas of what wouldn’t, wouldn’t it be cool to be able to project away point with your, with your range finding binocular and, and basically what this does, the tracking assistant, this binocular has a built-in compass built-in magnetic compass. And so anytime you press the button and take a range, it knows not only the distance that you range, but it knows the bearing bearing of that, of that range as well. So then it can be used as a navigation aid to either get you to the point that you ranged or get you somewhere else. So ano to another point that you’ve specified. Right. And, and the binocular actually will, will store the last three measurements on board. And there’s two things you can do with that. You can just use the binocular itself to navigate to one of those points. It has, it’s standalone without cell service, without whatever. You can do that. Go ahead and, and and and maybe tell us the other option. Yeah. Maybe through the app and then maybe tell us how you would actually use it for Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. So then the, the other two options there are is if you have, if you have it Bluetooth to your phone, but you don’t have cell coverage, it will just give you kind of like a compass needle on your phone to navigate you to that point.
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Or if you have cell service, it will overlay your Google map. Yeah. Your range on Google maps. And so you can actually look at an aerial photo pho photograph of, of what, where map where just shot. And you see, and you, here’s your point, start tracking blood there. Yeah. So that’s, that’s exactly what it’s made for. Exactly. That is to get you to the, to a point that you arranged. And so the scenario is exactly that. Right. I shot something, I want to, I have to go over three ridges to get to where it is. Everybody shoots far now left. Yeah. You stay exactly. You stay in one place and yell. Exactly. But you’re alone and now you need something like this. Right. Certain get a lot of thick hillside and we’re shooting long range. Yes, exactly. Where everybody’s shooting farther. And so by the time you get to where you think it was now, sometimes it’s not where it was. And yeah. If you’re lucky enough to have seen it fall or whatever, that makes it much easier. Yeah. Or it’s runs, you know, 30 minutes, it’s dark and you get there. I mean Oh yeah. I think there’s so many times I could have used that. Oh yeah. In the last couple years. Well, and that’s the scenario, that’s the scenario that happened to us on an Arizona hunt a little while ago before this actually came out.
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And we, it would’ve been super helpful. We, we missed where we should have been by a couple hundred yards down the ridge and Yeah. And it was dark and we stomped around forever until we figured out we were way too down, far down the ridge. Right. So the way I would use it, I would probably mostly use it, probably because most of the places that I would use it, there’s no cell coverage, but I would probably mostly use it in the binocular. So the Yeah. Talk us through that. Yeah. So what you do, so, so I’m sitting in my shooting position and I shoot something, right? And so to navigate to that position before I, before I walk away, I would turn it into the track, put it in the tracking mode. Okay. Which is just a couple of button presses, puts it in tracking mode and actually will give you, when you do that, it’ll give you the last three measurements to pick from. So you pick the measurement, that’s the correct one, right. So now you’re in tracking mode and you walk toward your destination, you get halfway or however far you get, and you turn around, range back to your shooting position where you shot from. And it will tell you how far you need to go. 180, how much further back and left and right. So it will, in the display, in the binocular will tell you go this way 34 yards.
00:25:04:00 –> 00:26:05:09
You go back a hundred yards or whatever. And it’s, it’s pretty accurate that, so it’s doing your math and just telling you Right, right. Left in the yard. It is. And I’ve got an upgrade for it already. Oh yeah. We could in integrate Siri in there. Jason, go left, go back. Yeah. But anyway, so it’s telling you go back left or right. Yeah. And because the laser range finder is so accurate, and we’ll talk, we should talk about accuracy of the rangefinder at some point. But because it’s so accurate, the distance part of it works really, really, really well. The, the bearing part can be a little off because of back data interference or, or, or whatever. Human error. Yeah. So you may get to that spot and you may have to search back and forth a little bit. But the range is, but the distance is Yeah. It’s dead on. It’s, and so if you had, and so that one you, you, you navigate through the field it through the vinyl field of view. Correct. As you’re, as you’re trying to make your, your leapfrogging over to it. Correct. And if you don’t have still service, you use it on the, the compass only feature. Yeah. On your, the app, you could Bluetooth app, then you would have a comp, a virtual compass on your phone essentially that would walk you to the same point, giving you the same information Right. This direction.
00:26:05:09 –> 00:27:10:17
And is that through the, the app? Through the app? The, the regular shooting app, whatever that What’s the app? App? The el l range app. El range app. That’s what it’s called. E range app. And it’s all within, there’s the navigation. It’s, it’s got the mapping. Yep. And it’s got the load shooting and load stuff. Yep. So it’s just a different tab within the app. Correct. Yep. Not two apps. Pretty cool. It’s all one app. Cool. Yeah. And if you have, and you have cell, cell phone service, it will download. Yeah. Photograph you are overlay, you’re just inching it just like your phone and everything. You’re just watching. Yeah. Just like using any navigation software. Yep. So, so when Devon shoots a javelina at 1400 yards on a thick hillside. Wow. Nice shot. He should be able to belt feeding mind you. Okay. Belt fitting. Okay. Let’s, it’s probably walks one in, we he walks one in, he walks one in at 253 yards. You’re gonna find belt. You can find those by, probably could just take a metal detector and figure out where he was rough shooting at. Who knows A pile of brass. It’s a cool feature. Is it, is it a game changing feature? Well, it could be at some point for somebody, right. Certain, certain situations. This is gonna save us all Absolutely. Waiting until the next day of that or whatever. Who thought of that?
00:27:10:21 –> 00:28:11:21
You know, I’m not sure who thought of it and I’m not sure what the, what the exact scenario was that made somebody think of it. But I, but I’m sure glad they did be. ’cause it’s super helpful. Yeah. It’s gotta be, I mean, hunting related, everybody’s related. I mean, I’m sure there’s non-hunting everybody situation reasons that you would want that a bird didn’t come up with any bird. Didn’t want that can’t, I don’t think. No, there’s no, I can’t think of any other reason other than shooting and retrieval. Yeah. Or, hey, I’m over here on the ridge. I broke my, broke my leg. Oh, I see you over there. And boom. I mean that’s rare. Yeah. But I mean really it’s for, you’re by yourself. Yep. Or you’re in such a hurry, shoot it, y’all take off. And you know, some canyons it may take you an hour to cross 500 yards in some country and everything looks different when you get there. Oh yeah. Right. And I, that’s what the scenario we used to use is would leave somebody there with a spotter and you’d guide ’em in with hand signals or whatever, but if it gets dark, he’s doing you no good now either. So it’s a pretty cool feature. Pretty, yeah. It’s a cool feature. Pretty cool. So let’s talk about, you alluded to it a minute ago, the accuracy of the rangefinder and let’s talk about the, what the advertised distance is.
00:28:12:09 –> 00:29:14:28
A lot of people ask that, but then let’s talk about the accuracy, your precision of, of the range too. Yeah. One place we got a little heat on our old range finders. It wouldn’t, it wouldn’t give you a, it wouldn’t display a range below 30 meters. Right. Lot of bow hunters, squawk meter for sure. 30 meters, three yards. Yeah. 33. What’s that? 33. Three yards. Yeah. 33.3. Yeah. And there were, there were reasons for that. It’s not because we can’t figure out how to make that work. We certainly can. Yeah. There are actually some patent reasons for, for that. Really. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So come on. Oh yeah. Yeah. So like you can’t compete with other range finders or something. There’s some, just some patent that we can Lawyers now You’re good. Yeah, we’re good. Now the design of this apparently is fixed that, but, so this one will go from 10 yards to 2200 is what we, what we advertise. Advertise, yeah. Yep. And so it will, it, depending on conditions, it will work a little less than that or it’ll work more than that. Right. Yeah. We are always very conservative when we, when we advertise, advertise our specs. Right. So we’d rather, we’d rather have it say it works to 2200 yards and have it work further than that, then say it works at 2200 yards and have it work not that far. Yeah.
00:29:15:00 –> 00:30:27:11
You know, so, but I’ve I’ve, it’s a good strong range finder. It’s, it’s really accurate. The, no, I can’t remember exactly off the top of my head. The, the beam divergence, which is generally what makes a range finder accurate. The further out there you go, the bigger the beam laser beam is essentially, if you think of a flashlight, you know, same kind of thing. And, and the beam divergence on this is quite small. It’s about a one mil radiant high and one and half a mil wide. So at a thousand yards, that would be roughly three feet high and a foot and a half wide. Yeah. Right. So pretty small beam, divergent. You have to bounce a certain amount of that back to get a range. To get a reach. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, the accuracy is plus or minus plus or minus one yard or even less than one yard, I believe out to 1500 yards. And then plus or minus a, a very small percentage beyond that. And that’s generally how it’s, but if you stack it up against the other range finders that are out there, those specs line up quite well. In fact, they best, most of ’em, so. Wow. Yeah. It’s really, really accurate. Really precise laser. Yeah. Devin, do you want ask him the question? You’ve been dying to ask him? I got, I just, there’s a lot of things. The ELO Oh yeah. The orange.
00:30:28:07 –> 00:31:22:04
Will it be available in orange? I was like, I Yeah. Devin likes orange. No, we sold, we sold it. We sold them. We sold, we, we have people ask for it. I don’t know if it’s people who are spending really good money, they don’t wanna lose them. But I mean, I’ve heard on your chest 90% of the time. I don’t know. I don’t know how you could lose, you don’t wanna get shot in the chest if you only hunt in Utah and Colorado and every time you go, you got your orange on. It’s, I wonder four wonder in Wyoming. Wyoming. Or if a guy left his sitting on a log somewhere and he’s, yeah, well that happens. He’s not gonna let that happen. I can see that. And, and if it happened once and then you want to be different. Yeah. Who wants to all be green? I have, I have a friend who likes the Denver Broncos. He likes the orange one because he likes Broco. In fact, he has two. He probably takes him to the game. You see an orange truck in our parking Colorado. Yeah. Maybe Bronson. I like it, but I don’t like these, the buy nows. I just, I mean, I mean, I don’t want to, I want green. It’s a different orange. It’s more I’m bow hunting. And also it’s also, it’s a safety’s different orange.
00:31:22:14 –> 00:32:27:09
It’s safety and it’s, that guy probably takes some of the Denver Broncos game, slaps a sticker on him, and he tries to act like he gets the only Ben Bronco pair ever made. And he is really probably doubles his money. Never know. But no orange, huh? There’s, right now there’s no plan to make them an orange. But you know, we’re always ev everything always changes. You never know. What’s the other questions? I was just thinking about applications with the tracking assistant. Like can you, is there any way you could share those? Where are those points with somebody else from the app? There is not. No, currently we, we’ve also been asked about, you know, different mapping software. Well will it speak to OnX or Base Map or any of those other mapping softwares? And they don’t really even use those in Austria at all where this is designed. So it wasn’t really something that was a priority. But the cool thing about, about electronics right, is an apps is that they’re malleable and you can change them and make them do other things. Oh yeah. If a relationship, foster relationship for I totally see in the future stuff like that. Yeah. Who, who knows, I’m not saying that’s gonna happen now that it’s made Yeah. But who knows. Yeah. But, but, and future, future features, right. That could be added.
00:32:27:14 –> 00:33:30:09
It’s, it’s taking in a lot of information and, and there are different ways to use that information that, that it’s not using it now. And, and so the, the fact that it’s, that it’s, you know, Bluetooth and, and, and has some pretty sophisticated electronics in it, make it so it can probably do other things at some point as well that we could add. So, so adaptable. That’s awesome. I don’t want these mapping companies to be able to track me, you know? Yeah. And I can see it happening. Where are my binoculars? Well, they’re 1400 miles and it’s direction. So not only that, but they can actually look through your bin and see Jason’s got a big buck in his nest. Right. So Brian know where you’re I. So I hate I’ve the government tracking us. I’m just saying I all this, I have it all. I love it all satellite radio, all this stuff. But they, I just don’t like the government knowing what we’re doing. I was gonna say, let’s talk about the, the body of it. Yeah. Because for the bow hunters out there, you know, oh, we skipped that. And I want, you know, this mode button is, is down underneath where your left thumb would be. Yep. And it’s kind of tuck and Yeah. So yeah.
00:33:30:19 –> 00:34:37:10
So the other heat we took, besides it only working, the last one working, not working below 30 yards, 33 yards, was that the button was on the left side, which for a right-handed archer was difficult to use. Right. You’re holding your bow on your left side, left hand. So the button on this is on the right side. So you’ve officially ticked off a bunch of left-hand. Chris Archers, Chris is now fuming. Chris is now, he, he’s the one Chris unusable now, you know what we’ve gone through for the last 10 years. Yeah. You guys can take it for the next 10. Oh, I, I already knew what you go through because I’ve been dealing with it for the last 20 years. Okay. Okay. 20. So yeah, that, that’s a feature I’m excited about. I mean, I know there’s a few lefties out there that probably aren’t. Well, you get your bow in your right hand, you grab your by, it’s, it’s natural. 90 10, 90% of people are right-handed, 10% are left-handed. Really well, thank you. That’s the, that’s real breakdown. Like that’s what, that’s what Google says. It’s science, but Google doesn’t know everything. Yeah, they do. Yeah. They, no, they don’t. It’s fact they only know what, what the government tells ’em. The other changes to the housing, the button’s on the right side. Right. And there’s also a forehead rests for this as well. Like the, like the forehead rest for the nl.
00:34:37:13 –> 00:35:31:00
I can’t get used to the forehead rest. It’s, it’s that love or hate thing. Right. And if you want to, yeah. You know, if you’re really shooting long range, maybe you’re in a competition and you want to, I mean that’s the one maybe thing that I can see Jason over some of the monocular type range finders, I can see that they’re seven power and they’re harder to hold like that much easier versus a two vinyl. And when you’re shooting long range too Yeah. And you’re breathing and you’re trying to get a range and jump back on your gun. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I could see some things like that. And, and in a situation where you’re, I’m sold, are you trying to sell me on a pair? No, I’m just saying if you’re long range, if you’re at a competition and you’re shooting a thousand to 1500 yards and, and you’re maybe in a competition, not always in a shooting a hunting situation, but that little extra stability’s gonna help that, that divergence, whatever you’re talking about, the turn to you. And if you one handed, it’s gonna give you that other extra point of another point of contact. One handed with a forehead rest. That’s what I mean is absolutely more sturdy. You’re just trying to get, get a range. That’s right.
00:35:31:02 –> 00:36:31:19
And when you’re moving, I can see that you, you increase the inability for that laser to shoot back and hit, hit you. Well, like even out here without the forehead rest. Okay, so I’m out here, I’m ranging 1800. It’s all over a house. It’s all over the yard. Yeah. You know what I mean? It just, oh, 1800. Yeah. It’s, I mean, you’re all over, right? Yeah. That’s what he is talking about on your, even even I’ve found even at like six to 800 yards out in the field with a monocular, you’re not getting accurate ranges over. You’re courageous. You’re you resting rest on something. Yeah. Coo deer. Yeah. I can’t even see ’em sometimes Seven, seven distance Devon’s halina. You know, you’re not seeing ha 14. You need to, you’re not. You need to. I’ve never shot one either. And I, I haven’t either, but I don’t want to eat one. It’s not on You gotta eat what you kill. Yeah. I don’t want one. Anyway. Well, all right. Speaking of Zer, I guess Colby, you just got back, huh? Did you, yeah. You take that in December. This, I can’t call it a prototype, but your pair, I guess the, the pre February 1st pair that you had down there. It was not yet available to me. I, I wish I would’ve had it.
00:36:31:26 –> 00:37:26:10
And if I had had it, the tracking assistant would’ve been, oh, is that, that 200, that that situation Yeah, you’re just talking about would’ve been, would’ve been awesome. So anyway, you were down there. Awesome hunt. You’ve killed a great coo deer down there. I have, yeah. Giant. Great big one. Maybe I didn’t see that. I’ll show you a picture. Okay. I’d like see back in the day, few years ago. A few years ago. Oh, that one. Not the one, a few weeks ago or whatever. It was. Not a few weeks. No, I didn’t, I didn’t see saw few weeks ago. Big. Yeah. We saw some, we saw some decent deer. Yeah. It was a rough year, but yeah, it’s, it’s cold to just get out rough. Probably that time of year. It was just a rough year. How, how, how warm was it down there? It was cold. Oh, was it? It was the coldest, yeah. The coldest I’ve ever had down there was, was it, did you have the late hunt December right after Thanksgiving. So the early December. Yeah. And it was, it was cold and it, and there were days that didn’t even warm up ever. You know, usually it’ll get up into the seventies or whatever that, that time of year. And it didn’t, it didn’t, it was cold, but it was a good time. Lots of deer. Plenty of lots of deer. Arizona’s got southern, Arizona’s got Oh yeah.
00:37:26:10 –> 00:38:27:17
Stuff behind every corner. It’s crazy. The, the number of quail and velina. Even Koda Mundee. So Kakoda mundee. No way. Are those legal to shoot. Yeah. Yeah. Did you, did you launch around? They moved, they moved too much. Did you launch belt? No, they never stopped. Stopped moving. I could have, there was an opportunity to, in fact, a, a coworker of mine did, but they just never stopped moving. You know, they are always on the scavenging, weird looking for belt. We got bell feed on those, like the cross between an aner and a raccoon and maybe something else. A raccoon monkey. Yeah. They’re wild. I’d walk over to it and not know how to pick it up, let alone Got it. How you gonna gut them? They’re strange animal, but Yeah. But there’s, there’s no shortage. It’s amazing that that country can ha hold that much wildlife. Really, really cool. So that is what’s cool, that’s what’s amazing about Desert General one 15 down there. Did you, did you? Yeah. You like it killer. Yeah. So some people are saying the one 15 and the 95, they’re saying they don’t see as big a difference. And then other people are saying it’s monumental. Yeah. You know, on the difference, which you’re I see a big difference. I see a big difference in a couple of ways. The, the balance of the one 15 on the BTX, it balances perfectly.
00:38:27:17 –> 00:39:29:11
You don’t need any weird balance rail or a great big, huge tripod head or whatever. It balances very well. So that difference right there to me is, is significant, noticeable when you’re with the BTX. Yeah. Not so much. It goes the other way with the A TX though, it makes it way front, heavy front. Yeah. But the other place I see it is in, in really low light. There’s a huge difference in the surface area of that lens compared to the 95. And it does, it does give you a much larger exit pupil and then taking pictures through it. Okay. That’s the biggest difference. If you take pictures through it with A-D-S-L-R, even your, even your phone. It, it makes a big difference. Well, gotcha. Who doesn’t? Everybody does Right. Phone scope or whatever. Who does? It’s just, it’s big and unwieldy. It’s, it’s a, it’s a, it is big. So the one I was using, I was just like, it is big. Yeah. It was giant. Not just big. It was giant. It’s, yeah. It’s, but it works awesome. Anyway. Yeah, there’s a place for it, no question about it. A place for its Southern Arizona. Yeah. Real quick, let’s touch on this. The new dss, gen two oh DSS gen two. So a couple of years ago in the US we launched a, a, a laser range finding rifle scope that had actually been out in Europe for a few years before then.
00:39:29:22 –> 00:40:41:03
And it’s our DSS and it has all the same technologies that this EL range has except for the tracking assistant. But it does the same thing. You load your ballistics into the scope via a Bluetooth app, via app, via Bluetooth. When you push the button, it resets samples, barometric pressure, temperature. Wow. Range and angle. And it gives you an illuminated point of aim in your field of view to to wow. To be Wow. And it’s Bluetooth to your phone. You’ve downloaded Yep. Your, your data to that rifle. Yep. Everything. Yep. Yeah. And it works great. It works awesome. No kidding. Yeah. And it works out to like 1,130 yards, I think is the max distance. It’s probably far enough. Yeah, absolutely. For something like if you’re gonna shoot further than that, you’re gonna want something, something different than that. Anyway. Big target. Yeah. So that we launched a few years ago. It’s great. Sold really well for us. We’ve added some features to it and, and launched the gen two version of it. The, the housing essentially is the same tiny tweak to it, but it’s, it’s for all intents and purposes, the same housing, 40 millimeter tube. It has all of the same features of the old one. We’ve added the ability to select it, select a couple of different kinds of les you can, you can select from a circle dot and some others.
00:40:41:03 –> 00:41:42:00
You know, you used to just be a dot, you’re talking electronically or when you order it Electronically. Electronically, yeah. I can just And and change in between. Yeah. And change it whenever you want. Different hunts. Awesome. So one thing we, we, we saw when we put this scope into practice is, is people would, they, it made sense, right? They would look through it, they would range it, and then they would give ’em a point of aim and they would use the center cross hair instead of the point of aim and shoot low. Right? So one of the options, one of the radical options is like a big arrow pointing to, yeah, there you go. Here I hold, right. I want dummy proof. Yeah. It also does, has a, a can’t indicator inside of a level inside of it to tell you if your arrivals can’t just turn color or something. It, it’s, I haven’t actually looked at it, I haven’t touched it, touched the new version yet, but it’s, it’s three, it looks like to be three illuminated bars that you kind of line up, right? Totally. And then it also has more, it displays more information than the old model. It, it has four lines, I believe, of text. So you can hit time of flight and energy on target at that distance and come whatever on. And there’s something more configurable about the wind and hold offs as well.
00:41:42:00 –> 00:42:42:11
So is it, is it three to 18? It’s 5 25. 5 25. Five to 25. Yep. That’s the new one. That’s the old one was too, it’s the same. Oh, okay. Yep. Five to 25. Gotcha. And it’s a great, it’s a great optic. It’s spectacular. It works really well in this new, the new updates will make it just a little more usable. Wow. And, and there are a few things that we’re doing with the app that will benefit the, anybody that has the old version as well. You can use a G seven BC in the new app. You couldn’t in the old app. And there, there’s a, a much more, much more user-friendly truing function in the app. If, if what actually happens when you pull the trigger isn’t what you expect it to be. You can, yeah. You can tweak it. Cross hair. It’s every, it all needs to be wow. Ground truth all needs to be, yeah, for sure. What’d you call it? Ground truth, I don’t know. Yeah. Ground truth, I mean, exactly. Proof or trued or, yeah. If you’re shooting like that, it’s a little, it’s just like, goes back to the, the lot, lot of power chronograph and things like that earlier. Like you, you know what it’s saying, it did, or you know what it did last time, but it’s 40, 40 feet different now in this condition or this temperature, whatever. Yeah.
00:42:42:20 –> 00:43:47:16
Go back, tweak your, or those rounds are 10 years old or whatever. Yeah. Whatever. It’s aged a little bit, but it feels like, can’t, feels like there can’t be anything new in the works. Oh yeah. Is what what we said, what it feels like. Right. Right now that’s what we, we said, I don’t know if, I mean, you got the one 15 just came out. Yep. You’ve got the, the, the scope. We’ve got the El range pa, you’ve got the NLP, I mean. Right. I don’t know if it’s gonna be 10 years before we ever need you back on a podcast or not. It’s a while. Six months. I don’t know. But it’s been a crazy He gets to rest now. Yeah. I don’t know. They’ve had him busy checking stuff out. We are always working of, you’re one of the first that seems like that comes up with this stuff and checks it out. And we, but we generally, yeah. Yes. Exactly. And, and we generally as a company are, are, are years ahead of the game. Like we, you know, we have, we’re always working. In fact, our, our motto is constant, constantly improving that which is good. Right. So if, if something is good now, there’s no reason to stop and, and rest on your ball. So you probably know things you’re working on that you can’t tell us about. Right. I might, I don’t, I actually don’t. I don’t, honestly, honestly.
00:43:47:17 –> 00:44:55:19
Well, was gonna say you’ve just blown all of these, these new things all Yeah. In the last six, say six months for sure. You just wanna watch this snowfall now I just want Yeah. And get and grab this new stuff. You know what, I, I want to go to a show. Oh yeah. Gosh dang this a lot different. Talk about the year. This would be like the Western Hunting Conservation Expo we’re missing here in a couple weeks. Yeah. You’d have the one 15. Oh yeah. nls These, I mean, what a, and not just there, I mean, well it’s Safari Club Dallas or That’s actually show all over actually how I met Colby for all the shows. Airports. Well that’s how we’re flying back to Utah. The same flights or whatever. That’s how it start. Our dealership too. Visiting with theater show. So anyway, speaking of which, anybody that’s looking to order a pair of these, give us a holler. 4 3 5 2 6 3 0 7 7 7. We’re cranking out products every day and helping members acquire some of the best equipment around and happy to do it at the best prices. So Yeah. And by the time you hear the podcast, there’s, it may be February 1st, so like I said, they should be shipping, is that right, Kohl? Yep. Next week. Yep. In fairly large quantities. Yep. Hope so. So call us fast.
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If you, if you got the old ranges, you’re getting rid of ’em, you want the new ones, call us fast, get on the list. We should be able to get these taken care of for you here right away so that you can get ’em to use play with the new app and all that ground truth, all your weaponry with it. At least that’s at least three of them, at least at a time. You can re delete one, put a new one in. I mean it’s, but have plenty of time before this falls hunt. So yeah. Give us a call. Anything else we left out? Colby, you don’t think we highlighted enough about, you know, one of the questions, this is awesome. One of the questions we get right off the bat is, is, and this is maybe something that, that somebody out there’s wondering about is why we didn’t use Applied Ballistics, right. You see all these units that come out that have the applied ballistics ab Yeah. ab right. And I, and I’ve been using applied ballistics forever. It’s orchestral has applied ballistics in it and it works really, really well. Works fantastically. And I honestly don’t know the reason that we don’t use AB in this. There’s a multi multiple, it comes down to money. It could be right. It could be too expensive to license it. I don’t know everything would’ve made it.
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Or, or maybe there’s some exclusivity with applied ballistics with somebody else. Relationships or relat No idea. Whatever. Yeah. But what I do know is I’ve used Applied, I read Brian, let’s book twice. Right. I, none of it’s foreign to me. I’ve used applied ballistics for a long time in my kestrel and I have, I have lined this up with my kestrel as far as this thing will work. And, and math is math, right? That’s right. It doesn’t matter how you, it’s just, it’s math is math. Math is math. Bullets drop how they drop. That’s right. It’s aerodynamics and trajectory. And this thing has a solid solver in it that works very, very well. And I, anybody will be, and you, I I called you the other day and you were cranking on it and anyway, so Yep. I’ve I’ve beat it up. Yeah. Let’s call it that. I’m just trying to gain whatever your confidence based on where your, your brain and your system’s been. Well, formerly for sure, you know, you’re gonna be on a podcast. Well or just deal with a lot of questions. He knows where his, his weaponry and him. That’s right. Yeah. Work and what they all, and now, okay. Does this, does this mirror what I’ve already been using? It’s it’s solid. Yeah. Yeah. They did a really, really good job. Solid it. You’re gonna, a co deer, you’re gonna be ticked.
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It doesn’t do things like crosswind jump or, or co olis or spin drift. Which are, which are things that if you’re going to account for those things in your shooting, you’re probably going to have some other way to figure that out. You probably is. This is fast. It’s, it’s convenient. It’s all in one rack. This is a hunting application we’re designed. If you’re thinking about the spin rate of the earth before you kill a big buck, you might need to get a little closer move up. I agree. If it’s 200, move close. That’s when you need to range at the halfway distance between you and the animal with the new TA and walk to that spot to that and then shoot from there. Eliminate, what is it the Alis, is that what it is? Corliss? Yeah. The earth. Yeah. Hey, had these’s comments back in four people talk about it too. People talk there, there are people out there that’ll wonder if it does all that stuff. Yeah. And it’s, anyway. Yeah. Well we, we appreciate you stopping by. No, I appreciate having me. We, we really do. It’s awesome to get your, our hands on these and, and you know, long, highly anticipated. I guess that’s the way we’ll put ’em. And it’s the world we’re living in to some extent in terms of with the data that we’re able to capture now, incorporate into a precision range finding device.
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So pretty awesome piece of equipment. Again, anybody wants to buy ’em, give us a holler. 4 3 5 2 6 3 0 7 7 7. Or you can get an old classic pair. I think Wyatt’s trying to sell a classic pair. Let’s call ’em the, we’ll call ’em the classic pair. That sounds classic. Classic. The classic old sounds used and tattered. Yeah. Just the classic. Well the nice thing about Wyatts is there’s probably been some big critters glass for those. It’s got good dude, you, they’re green by the way too. They’re green. They’re green. And, and, and I’ll bet you if you want ’em, he’d probably sign with a Sharpie. Come on. He would. Yeah, he would. Yeah. Matter of fact, he would. Right. Give us a call. Alright.
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