EP 201:Trucks, Maps, and Hunt Apps with Aaron Bronson

He smashed a freaking giant deer and a big old ram, one of the better rams taken in the state. A lot of guys will do that if they have some backup. Swarovski, you know, the tripod adapter that fits on the stud. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter. We're missing Adam. Adam's on the road. We're going to call him and see how he's doing. And he's headed up to grab a travel trailer. So anyway, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, in spirit.

John and Chris, as well as Adam's brother, Aaron. Aaron, in the house. In the house, in his own vehicle, in his own truck. Drove my truck down here. How does it feel to say drove my truck? Pretty good. It's been a minute. Maybe a year. Yeah, a year. One year. Sold it last March. So yeah, things are looking up. Things are looking up. Got a new one. Brand new. You finally just decided you had to have it. Brand new because you wanted the bench. Did you end up getting the bench? Absolutely. Yeah. If you order it, you get everything you want. Leather bench? No. Cloth. Cloth. They don't make a leather bench? They do, but it has more options that I didn't want. So I was able to pick and choose, but that was really the only way I could get one. Did you get roll-up windows or the actual electric windows? That's the thing. Base vehicles now come with a lot of stuff. Isn't that amazing?

Yeah, they have all the good stuff. But that was basically my force of my hand because you couldn't buy, as everyone knows, you couldn't buy a used one for the same price as a new one. So I ordered it in November. Yeah. And I've had it about a month. And you got a good deal on it. A way good deal, yeah. So what kind of options did you want? What kind of options didn't you want? So I basically just needed the, I got the SLE, GMC SLE, Duramax.

Has everything I need as far as their, you know, basic remote start, keyless entry.

The SLE comes with a ton of stuff. Four-wheel drive. It's got a transfer case. Yeah, it has everything you need. Did you put the spray and bed liner in it already? Those come with it now. Yeah, they come with it. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, it's nice. And it looks so sharp. It looks just like a paint job. It's flawless. Oh, yeah, it's really good. It's not like aftermarket. It's flawless. No runs, no nothing. That's way good. How do they do that? No runs. I mean, nothing. Well, it makes sense because they don't have to paint it the factory color and then turn around and just paint over the top of it. So they're just like, just do it right from the factory. Yeah. Anymore, that's coming pretty standard. Yeah, kind of crazy. Standard like rubber floors. You know, rubber.

Bed covering outside, right? Oh, yeah. Bed rails. Bed rails. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty awesome. Yeah, it is. I'm with Aaron on the bench seat thing. No, that's my last, well, my last two trucks. That was my number one thing. You wanted the bench? I have a bench. I hate the consoles. Well, it's just because you're also still, you've got your chicks in there. I'm not even going to call you married because you're not married. And so that's important to have a bench. Well, what bugs me? It's the gear and all your stuff. It's gear and it's right next to you. I don't like that thing up against my knee making me feel boxed in. Yeah. I want it open in the middle. Yeah. We only need five seat belts, but you can put so much more in them. Well, and I like being able to throw six guys in a truck if you have to. Yeah, if you have to.

In fact, the first time I took it out, we went wolf hunting up at Idaho and we had six, six packs. So I already got it used. I don't know if it's used. So you can sell something with 400,000 miles and it looks brand new. We'll see how this one does. And you think you've off-roaded it, four-wheeled it? Not yet, no. BLM's coming to see you and will cite you for going on roads that have been closed for 50 years. No, it hasn't been that bad yet. Maybe this spring, bear in Turkey. All right, well, Aaron, so you did stop by. Tell us why you stopped by today. Well, mainly I had to show you guys that I had a truck. No, I'm just kidding. And that's a big deal. Proof. Proof. Not just pictures. That's right. Not just an invoice from an order that actually arrived. Not a VIN number. Not just a VIN number. I promise I have one coming.

We're going to have to find something new to talk about at the beginning of every podcast. He's not even interested. And the excitement's worn off. You're just like, yeah, I got one. What's the big deal? Let's move on.

So when I saw the new NLPers coming out, Adam, you guys demoed one here at the office. Right. Adam called me that night and he's like, you should see these things. They're amazing. First question, how do you mount them to a tripod? Yeah. And he said, well, I don't think it has the same stud as the, you know, the TAS SLC tripod adapter. Right. Which goes on the 15s. Yeah. Which everyone, if you're familiar with that, it's the 15 one. And they're awesome. They're awesome. It's a factory. It's a factory. It's a factory. It's a post that mounts to the tripod and it's awesome. And he said no. And so I kind of started scratching my head and said, that's probably something people are going to want. We should make one. Yeah. And I teamed up with my guy at work.

We work at an engineering firm and he drew a drawing together and got the, you know, the right dimensions and what we needed and kind of did a prototype and tested it and it worked out of aluminum. And then we went to a manufacturer that does stainless and we went ahead and built one. And it's awesome. So I've got my 12 NLPers right here. They're abused. They don't look like your truck. And we've had a hard use since September. But anyway, we just, we mounted it in what? 33 seconds. Yep. No big deal. Popped off the little exterior cap there and then threw it on. And this will go with the normal TASLC adapter, which you, anybody that has the 15s has used. Yep. If you're familiar with that simple clamp on design of that Soro adapter, it's, the stud is. Interchangeable with this and a 15 or whatever. Yep.

You know, Swirl came out with the adapter that works with the TASLC post and this matches that. So with this little bit of a stud, you can throw it in there. You can handhold it. No big deal. It's just a tiny little. Yeah. It just stays on your binocular just like the 15 one. It stays on and it doesn't come off. So. I mean, it would come off. You can take it off, but it won't. We put blue, blue Loctite. Correct. Just a little. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And out in the field, yeah, it just stays on is I guess what I was meaning. Yeah. You don't take it on and off. It adds probably a lot of ounce. I don't know. Yeah. Not very much. They're not very heavy. Pretty awesome. So anyway, and you've also made one for the EL. Yeah. And while we were at it, we're like, why doesn't the EL have one? And so we made one for the EL as well. And it's awesome. Yeah. So anyway. We're excited. It's good.

The nice thing about this particular stud is it matches with the Suaro. Yeah. Original equipment, right? Yep. The original post that worked with the 15s. Yep. You can slap these on now, the ELs and the NLs. The other thing I like about it is it's low profile. It's not an inch long. Yeah. It doesn't stick out. Some of the studs out there are super long and that you can handhold and it's not going to get in the way. It doesn't get in the way of anything. You can close and open your binoculars. Full range. Everything's good. Yeah. Chris, how are you? Man. 12 power at three feet. So anyway, pretty awesome. Awesome, Aaron. Good work, man. So now you can get those here at Epic Outdoors. That's right. We're selling them like it's our job. So anyway, even you're drinking a Monster. I know. I was promised a Monster if I came into the booth. I didn't know you drank Monsters. Well, I just, I mean.

It makes me feel like it's okay. I figured I was going to need one to get through this. Chris is drinking one. John, who knows? He'll do anything. Anything that the crowd's doing. Just teasing. He's not laughing. You guys always cold call me and I'm on the road somewhere. So this is, I'm in the black room today. So I figured I better have a Monster. So Wayne Brown, good buddy of Adam and I, you as well, of course works with you guys. Yeah. Helps guide and this and that. So anyway, he hit Adam and I this morning and he sends a little picture of, you know, like how the moms in the back of their minivan or Suburbans or whatever, right, here in Utah country have like the mom and dad and a little stick figure and all the little kids and the dog or whatever, right? Yeah, the family. Well, here's two big monster symbols and then three little monster symbols.

That's awesome. So anyway, that was on Instagram. I guess it was trending. And he's like, Jason, is this your vehicle? I mean, could you imagine? That's pretty clever. If I threw that on Jana's little truck, and I might because it would be awesome. She's anti-monster. So anyway, might just tease her a little bit. Oh, yeah. All right. So anyway, awesome. Great, great stud. We got a lot of things going on here at Epic Outdoors. Epic Optics. We're selling optics like crazy. People are using their Biden bucks, right? First stop right here at Epic Optics. So anyway, if you got a few Biden bucks that you want to get rid of, let us know. These things, it's not like, it's like everything in COVID times. Some things are on back order. So if you want something, you need to be thinking ahead.

I was going to say, they're not buying a truck with their Biden, they're buying Bioxx because they're in stock. You can't even pay for the sales tax with the Biden bucks. No. You know what I mean? Well, you can't buy, everything's on back order right now. What was the sales tax on your truck? I don't remember. $2,400. Yeah, it wasn't. $26, $28. Yeah. Something like that. Pretty close. So anyway, going to take a few more, maybe some Trump bucks and some Biden bucks. Maybe they could team up, guys. Guys. But you guys got optics in stock. Chris, don't edit this, Chris. I'm just thinking it's coming out of my taxes, so it doesn't matter. All right. That's already my money. So anyway, you got to be thinking ahead. Right, John? Oh, man. Yeah, which we did on the stock for the optics. We've got it. We've got a lot of stuff in stock. We do, and we got stacks of it coming, too.

But having said that, there's a lot of rifle scopes and things that are super customized. You can get a rifle scope and 14 different options of reticles and different things, the V4, the V6, the whatever, Z5s, whatever it is, the illuminated, non-illuminated. So, you know, some of that stuff, we're not keeping tons of it in stock because it's somewhat custom to whatever the user wants. But anyway, it feels like, John, I mean, if we want to go to lunch or dinner, we've got to think ahead 14 days and make a reservation. Yeah, absolutely. Isn't it crazy? You go downtown and everything's full, everything's slow, everything's backed up. I went down to Arby's the other day, and they've still got, their little open room is not open. It's still closed. You have to go through the drive-thru. Wow. I thought we were past that. Yeah, that's shocking.

At least, I mean, for people not in Southern Utah, we've, I mean, we've been pretty much open all along. Right, haven't we? The only places that have been closed are like big franchises. The chain, the national chain. Which would be Arby's, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

We should not give them our business, right? We should only give local venues our business, right? Tell me I'm wrong. I've pretty much switched to that lately. So, anyway, speaking of things like that, the advertisers and whatnot, we were talking earlier, we did bring on Hoyt. We did. You know? Excited about that. So, you're going to see the new ad in the April 2021 issue of Epic Outdoors. Got great relationships there. Have had for many years. Got them on board, finally. John, you can tell us a little bit more about that, working with them. Yeah, just really excited. One of the top bow manufacturers in the industry. And we've been able to see some of the new stuff coming out. Just amazing. And it's just like anything else. If you want a new bow, you know, get on it right now. Yeah, they told us. The new bow is coming, and Adam got his already. Well, because it was painted in QU. Yeah.

And they say that a lot of the QU stuff is a little bit quicker. Yeah. For one reason or another. I just got mine in a plain, just a plain kind of a drab. Let's call it a drab. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. What do you call that? An olive? Olive green? Yeah. Olive drab? I think mine's more sand. Brown. Brown. Like a, you know. Tacoma sand? Well, I'm not a Tacoma guy. They don't fit me very well. But anyway, there's a lot of Tacoma guys out there. But yeah, I do like that Tacoma sand color. What do they call that officially? Do you know? You would know if anybody would. Yeah, I don't know. Like a Mojave, I think. But I can't remember. No. But that's a good looking bow. Yeah. It's good looking. So anyway, first rate company out of here in Utah. So pretty awesome. We appreciate them and their support. You're going to see their advertisement.

They got the Ventum advertised in this particular publication. So you'll get to check it out. So anyway. That's just Hoyt.com. H-O-Y-T.com. Yeah. Go check out those new bows. Go follow them on Instagram as well. So yeah. Pretty awesome. We appreciate them. Also, I don't know. Should we throw a little shout out to Hunt and Fish Connection? They've got some tags out there for sale. You can go on HuntandFishConnection.com. They're selling stuff every week. That's how a lot of these organizations, conservation organizations, are getting rid of tags that they sell, which generates revenue for wildlife. So pretty awesome. HuntandFishConnection.com. All right, guys. What else? You said Adam's bow's already here? Yeah. Does he know that? He knows it. I could take it out. He knows it.

Let's call him and tell him that you're shooting his bow. He'll never believe it. Yeah, just say, hey, your bow's in, and it's shooting pretty good. Let's see what he has to say. Give him a little grief. See how he likes to be cold called. He might not answer. Be foul.

He knows this game. Yeah, he knows. He knows.

Hi. Huh?

We don't take no for an answer. There's not really many places going that way that don't have service. No. No, he's totally got service.

This is out getting gas. Hey, this QU bow shoots pretty darn good. Aaron's got it dialed in. Yeah, this thing's awesome. Yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah. What are you guys doing? Well, we're just wondering. Just seeing how you like a cold call.

Aaron's on the mic. Aaron's on the mic. I figured the place was on fire, and they were wondering if I had any valuables sitting in my desk anywhere before they're running out or something. But we already know there's nothing in it. We've already looked. Yeah, we just walked away and watched it burn. Well, you don't know about every place. That's all I'm saying. You don't know about everything. We're just wondering how you got a Hoyt bow before the rest of us. It's all about color scheme. I guess it's lucky. I picked a QU Verde hat, and they said those are the first ones that came available. So I guess lucky me. Man, it looks sharp. It looks sharp. We were just telling the world they've come on board, and you've got the new model, and it's pretty darn awesome. We were going to tease you a little bit and tell you Aaron's got it dialed in, but you didn't even fall for it.

Well, no. I showed it to him last night, and I know that he came to the office with me today, and so I know he didn't have it. So I didn't come close to fall. What other projects are you guys working on today? What are you covering? I mean, is there something productive going on there now that I had to take a quick up and back? No, there's nothing productive going on, at least in this room. The rest of the office, they were working when we shut the door, so who knows? Who knows? And I've got your Monster for the day, too, so your quarter is trying. And I didn't even know Aaron drank Monster. Now that he's drinking it, I feel better about myself. Well, he likes those nasty green apple ones, though, I think, so let him take all of those he wants.

No, we were just telling, Aaron was telling the world about this new adapter. You've got one, Matt. We mounted one on your NL-12s, too. Yeah, it's pretty awesome and easy, so most people that have Swarovski 15x56 SLCs have the Swarovski, you know, the tripod adapter that fits on the stud for the 15x56 SLCs. The goal, as we, the NL peers came out, obviously, when you get them on a tripod, they're unbelievable. And to make that as easy as possible, and maybe it's less, I mean, they make a universal tripod adapter that we got by through in a pinch last year until we, you know, through Aaron's help and that, developed the stud that goes in them just like your 15x56 stud. So your same adapter clips on both of them. You just keep that in your pack, whatever vinyls you have that day. That's what you take, and, you know, it's easy.

You don't need a separate hole adapter for one vinyl than they have for the other one. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. We made them for the ELs as well. And so, you know, it's awesome. The only thing that's not factory is this Epic Outdoor stud right here that Aaron designed. It's pretty awesome.

Yeah, pretty easy, too, when you look at it. I mean, there's engineering, but when you look at it, you're like, oh, that looks easy. But it took the R&D, and it took a lot of, you know, machining time with Aaron and the engineer to get it right and make sure it's perfect. And that's what it is. It's perfect and awesome. Basically, effective part, yeah. Yep. Okay, we have a couple personal questions.

Fire away. Fire away. Did you get your Montana Elk and Deer application in?

Negative. I'm going to do points only this year. Points only in the summer. Points only for me in the summer. All right. All right. And then how about Colorado? And I'm going to need a little consulting on my Colorado application because I know you haven't done very much consulting.

Yeah. I don't have many options. I mean, we burned our points last year. I know. I know. I feel kind of in a lucky position, honestly, honestly, that I don't have the trepidation that we've heard, the sleepless nights that we've heard from members calling us nonstop about what do they do with their 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 15, 20, 25 points. And I have zero. So I don't even. It's going to be points only application for me. I think what would be interesting to hear from you guys is what haven't you heard? What scenario have you not heard this year? Dude, we coded guys for second choice archery and muzzle yesterday. I mean, there's nothing, I don't think, Bronson. You haven't heard. There's nothing. I mean, I have 9 points. I have 14 points. It feels like 9, 14, and 17 are maybe the most common point tiers. Wow. Yep. And then 3. There's always the threes and fours. Yep. I've applied.

I've coded guys and licensed app or recommended guys and done research for guys to draw a muzzle loader deer tag and also a second choice, try to get a second or a second or third season deer tag and coded them, find them a second choice cow elk tag for third season units so they can have a cow elk and a deer with their points. Preserve their elk, get a cow tag second choice and burn their deer points in a unit. So if I can do that, I'd like to hurt about it. And then have a 50-50 draw on a muzzle loader antelope tag within a 100-mile radius. Of that same unit that they're going. I mean, it is. There's nothing. You've seen it all. You guys have heard it all this year. With an over-the-counter bear tag at the same time. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. I'm not asking for a whole bunch. All right. Well, okay. That's about it.

We were just kind of going over a few things here and just wanted to make sure you got your apps in and wondering if you needed any consulting. I have a lot of points with my wife and kids. They range from 5 to 13 points in all of them. And so I've got real-life problems with those because you can't take four of them over there. They're all pretty much rifle hunters. I've tried. So I've got second, third season is pretty much it. I don't want to touch the fourth season this year. It's too late, I think, for what I want to do. It's over Thanksgiving and during sheep season in Nevada or whatever else. It's just for me too late. So I've got to somehow burn at least two of those maybe this year on seconds and thirds. And that's what I've got. That's what I've got my work cut out. It's hard. It's hard to keep the whole family happy. I tried last year. You remember. Oh, yeah. And it's brutal.

Yeah. You tried so hard that you didn't get to hunt much for yourself. It's true, but it was a blast. We had a good time. What truck are you driving up there? Did you take mine? I told you you could take mine. Did you guys talk about that with Aaron? Yeah, we did. Did you cross that branch with him? Adam, do you remember a point in your life where you went a full year without a truck? Aaron got to say he drove his own truck today. Today to the Alphas. And that was pretty amazing. That's a pretty big deal. You like that diesel, don't you? Yeah, I kind of like it. I've never said that in my life, and I never will.

Never. I did go off a pot for one year. I don't know. I was not a big pot drinker. I'm a bigger pot drinker now. I thought you said pot. I thought you said pot, too. And then this day and age, Oregon or Colorado or California, who knows? We're not judging. Okay, soda. I went out soda for a year. Soda for a year, which meant no caffeine. I did it for a year, but I'm not going to just go without a truck for a year to say that I did it. That was probably the worst year of your life. I wasn't doomed to say I could do it. You know, after a month, you're like, that's over with. I mean, you look at Wyatt. I mean, Wyatt's been off Mountain Dew for like four or five years now. His life is great except for two bouts with kidney stones. Everything's great. Kidney stones are created by pop, so I don't understand. I guess it just not. At least the monsters have the vitamins.

You're not going to get that problem. Dude, they're a prenatal vitamin. Have you guys read the back of these? Yeah. I mean, it's a – I mean, geez. There's vitamins you can't even pronounce. And whatever you can't pronounce dissolves the kidney stones. That has to be a fact. It has to be because Wyatt's the only one with a problem, and he's the only one not drinking. He's the only one that doesn't drink them, and he's the only one with a problem. That's right. All right. I mean, I just – I don't need to go to a medical field trial to figure out that. That's all I need. That's scientific. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. All right. Okay, sounds good. Well, maybe – Drive safe. Drive safe, and let us know if you need any consulting for those 14 kids, okay? All right. I will. Thanks. All right.

Let's give something away. I'm excited. I never did be here. You look excited, Aaron. I'm glad this isn't on tape. We're going to let you draw. Let's give something away. I'm very excited.

All right. Let's do this. Let's give something away, Chris. I think we promised all of our listeners last week when we did the 200th, or was it early this week? When did we do the 200th podcast? It was very – it was weekend, basically. The end of the last Friday. Friday. Then you posted it out on Saturday or Friday. I can't remember. Well, anyway, we're going to give away a Pacwill. John, how much is this Pacwill worth? With all of the bells and whistles and accessories, two grand. Are we giving them all that? Yeah. Wow. Pretty awesome. Is it new? Brand new. It's not our used model? Not our used model. Our used model is pretty awesome. Well, it is. It packs you guys around. It's awesome. That's the one I took out last week. It is pretty incredible. I was surprised because I'd never actually used it before. I was like, I'm just going to see what this thing can do. I went and I –

Straight up a ditch. Straight up this – a wash, big wash that was taller than my head. I just hit the throttle on that thing and it went right up. I'm like, wow. It's got all the accessories. Chris, why don't you take it away? It's now Thursday. Your deadline was Wednesday midnight, I think it was. Midnight? Yep. Last night at midnight. So somehow – why don't you tell everybody how we got down to the fab for the final four? Okay, so Adam, in honor of March Madness, even though it's April now, he wanted to do a final four. So narrowed it down to four finalists here. And so how we did that is we got all the comments and we did random numbers. Put them on cards, four cards, folded them up. We've got them in a hat together. An epic hat. Epic hat. Not just any hat. And we're going to let Aaron – That's going to look good in the back of that new truck. New pack wheel in a new truck.

Well, I don't think – The pack wheel? Yeah. I thought that's why I was here. I thought I was here to get the pack wheel. No, no, no. No, I'm not even in this trying so I can draw. Are you going to spend your Biden bucks on a pack wheel? I can check it out. Okay. Aaron's going to draw it here. Hold her high. Hold her high. Yeah. Out of the final four. Got it. Got a winner. Dude, here we go.

Who is it? Hunter C. Larson. Hunter Larson. All right. There we go. Everyone sees it? At Hunter C. Larson. At Hunter C. Letter C. L-A-R-S-O-N. There we have it. You just won a pack wheel. So, if you are Hunter C. Larson, give us a call and ask for Chris here in the office. 4-3-5-2-6-3-0-7-7-7. It could be anywhere. It could be anywhere. I'm going to look right now. Oh, you can find him? Yeah. See what states he's in. You might have to drive that thing across the state line. What if he's in, like, some obscure state that doesn't allow online gambling? Or pack wheels. I mean, who knows? All right. No idea. Do we know anything more about him? You got nothing. I can't tell where he's from. He's got... He had an Arizona picture. Oh. That's cool. Well, right on. Congratulations. Thanks for everybody out there who played the game. Pretty awesome. Pretty fun. We appreciate pack wheels as well.

They anted up and gave this away. So, you know, with us here at Epic Outdoors, we appreciate their partnership. You can go to what, John? Pack wheel? Is it packwheel.com? Packwheel.com. All right. Check them out. If you're going to be packing in anywhere, they're pretty awesome. I used it last year. Two years ago, I was in Colorado hunting with my wife, and we hiked in three miles, shot a deer, and it was late, and I was just like, oh, I don't want to do more than one pack out. So, you know, we pretty much made one pack trip out, and it about killed us. Crazy. So, it would have been awesome to have one of these. Could have used one. Yeah. So, last year, I did use one. Awesome. You can pack up, you can put an elk on it, and it just goes like crazy. And the battery lasts forever. It's like those e-bikes. You guys ridden one of those? Oh, man. Pretty awesome.

We've got some guides down on the Henrys for bison that packed out an entire bison with the pack wheel. Oh, man. Crazy. Pretty awesome. All right. Well, congratulations. Is it Hunter C. Larson? Is this first name Hunter? Did it say that at least in his bio or whatever? First name. Hunter Larson. Hunter Larson. Because it could be like, I'm a hunter, and my name's Charlie Larson. Yeah. I think it's Hunter Larson. All right. We'll clear it all up when he gets in touch with us.

Aaron's like, let's move on. All right. Sounds good. Well, we do have the April Magazine. It's just barely got one in our hands. I thought maybe we'd give my buddy Jason Taylor a call. He smashed a freaking giant deer and a big old ram, one of the better rams taken in the state. He drew both tags, you know, in Nevada. Awesome. So, anyway, maybe we'll give him a call, see if he'll say much. It'll shock him. I don't know if he'll say much. We'll see. We'll see what he's doing today. What up? What are you doing? Oh, just trying to make a dollar. That's it. Living the American dream? Living the American dream. Work for a dollar and spend two.

That's what Americans do. That's what we do. That's exactly right. Especially when you're in business. That's the way it seems to go sometimes. Hey, so I've got you on the Epic Outdoors podcast. I don't want you to freak out. How's it going? Got Aaron Bronson, Chris Peterson, John Peterson here. How are you, buddy? What's up, guys? How are you? Doing the same. We're just wanting to hear a quick deer story, sheep story, whatever. You had an incredible year last year, and you're on the April cover. Just wanted to bend your ear for a quick second. What an incredible year. Incredible buck. I think you found him early. You know, scouting. You scout like crazy, and you don't do anything halfway. Maybe give us a quick rundown. Well, I appreciate that. But, yeah, everyone says 2020 was a bad year, but I didn't see that. It was really good for me.

But, no, you know, like I said in the article, I'm a mule deer freak, but I finally drew this tag that I've been wanting forever, my deer tag. But with that sheep tag, I just could not help but think to put that, you know, ahead. But I obviously scouted a ton for deer and didn't come across anything except for this one. And I really didn't. I almost turned that tag in. I mean, literally, I was days away from turning it in because I wasn't sure if he was the only one I wanted to hunt. And so. And I think I was telling you to turn it in. That's what I feel bad about. Yeah, no, you did. You did. I mean, well, it was a marginal antler growth year, but there's always a few that grow. Maybe wherever they live, a spring or whatever, they have better feed. And I'm telling you, like, you are crazy. This is a bad year. You're like, wait for a great year. You're wanting to smash the 200-inch mark.

And I'm like, you're not going to do it this year. What are you doing? Yeah, no, I specifically remember that. And that'll probably be the only time I don't take Jason Carter's vice on heels. But I did decide to keep it. And only because I spent enough time out there where I didn't see anybody else out there. And so I really felt like if everyone knew about him, then he would have been hunted hard because it was such a bad year and because he was such a giant. So I rolled the dice and somehow got really lucky and right away. So it worked out perfect. It did. So you were out there. He was just out there. You actually, you know, there was some competition. I think there was just somebody had seen him and it felt like the rumors were going around that there was a buck in that area worth looking at. And you kind of felt like it feels like the outfitters teams were converging on this area.

And then the next day it felt kind of like you had it to yourself. Yeah. See, I had heard that there was other outfitters just pounding it before the season started. It started on Tuesday, I believe it was, whatever opening day was. And I had heard they were in there pounding it. And so opening morning, I just knew it was going to be a zoo. Opening morning, there's nobody. So I knew right then that they couldn't find him and didn't think he was there. It was a rumor, whatever it was. But I knew that now I really had a legit chance to get it done. And I kind of do, I'm kind of a creature of habit. I mean, I'll move if I need to. But I feel like if I pound it for maybe three or four days kind of doing the same thing, let them do their rotations like kind of when you're lost in the woods. If you keep moving around and your searchers are moving around, you may never found each other.

So for me, I kind of stay put and just glass and glass. And we did from sunup to sundown. I had my wife with me there. And we went from ridge to ridge and glassed and glassed. And then so I was going to do that for a solid three or four days, the same thing. And the same pattern that I found him in the second day is exactly the way I'd seen him all summer long, doing the exact same thing. So crazy. That's crazy. It did work out. So was it day two? You ended up getting your chance at him? Yeah. Day two, the sun came up. And it was literally as the sun come up, I seen a group of deer, got the BTX on them. And I could tell right away it was him. And I'm by myself. So I didn't know how to approach it. I didn't want to attack him right away. I didn't know what the other hunter was doing.

So anyway, once I realized what they were doing and going exactly where they were, I kind of moved around and cut them off. And he had no idea it was there. So it worked out perfect. That's awesome. Well, all right. So then, so you got a big buck on the ground. It was day two. You're prepared to go the whole distance, which isn't, it's a long old time frame. You're talking October 5th to the 31st. Right. And so you're prepared to go the entire time. You're done at day two. You're going back to work or whatever, but, or sheep, sheep scouting. Now there was a huge relief. I remember talking to you and you're just like, man, I feel so good, you know? And, um, and we've all felt that a little bit. Sometimes things go our way. Other times we're out there for 30 days. Yep. No, it, uh, you know, I was worried my daughter had a tag. Uh, Maddie had a tag in a different unit.

And so I wasn't sure how much time I could spend on her. So it just worked out good. And then she had other activities going and still in high school. So, um, I knew I'd be able to really concentrate on that. And, and my Ram is what I was really, so it, everything just worked out great. But it was such a relief to get it done. So he ended up, uh, what did he, I think he ended up gross in mid two twenties netted like two 19 right in there, right? Yeah. Two 24 gross to 19 and eight. Jeez. All right. Pretty, pretty awesome. So let's go from this giant to the next giant. You were, you pre-scouted a ton. Um, and my wife loves that word pre-scout, but anyway, because it's scouting, right? And scouting means pre-scouting and she hates that. But anyway, I remember my wife told me one time, she's like, does it really make a difference to go scout?

Like, how are you really going to find the same animal that you are nine months from now? But she finally realized that it does pay off to do it over and over and over. And it paid off and you're relentless. I mean, you, you're the definition of over and over and you were relentless on the, on this country for sheep draw, basically a once in a lifetime tag. Tell us how that went down. Yeah, no, it worked out, uh, worked out good. Drew a unit that wasn't the popular unit. And that's what I like. We knew there were some good ones in there. And, uh, and then, yeah, once, uh, we found, uh, found two, two good Rams. Mine was the second Ram and the bigger Ram was just, just jaw dropping. And I, I literally couldn't sleep over it. I knew we were all by ourselves, literally in the middle of nowhere. And then he had, um, you know, hurt himself and we never could find him again.

So once my hunt came, I kind of figured it was going to be our number two Ram. And after, you know, what we did for those first five days was, you know, there was no glassing from the road. It was all on foot, you know, up and down sheep countries, not easy. And I think the closest we went was about five miles. And the farthest we went was about 14 miles round trip. And, uh, so. Yeah. We, we, we grounded out. I spent some time. I spent some time with you on that one. It was, yeah, it was a grind. No. And yeah. So when we finally found this one, I'll never forget you, you found it and said, uh, Hey, which, which, uh, late was our Ram limping on? And I literally about choked. I looked, I had Logan and Dakota with me and, uh, I mean, I just literally couldn't believe it. And then, uh, come to find out our number two Ram just happened to have a limp and it was on a different leg.

So it, it was just a crazy, the whole thing. And, um, you know, the one thing that blows my mind even more when I was just talking to the boys about it the other day is I don't take naps. And after I missed that Ram, that first shot and I laid down on those jagged rocks and you woke me up. I was, I've never even heard this. Oh no. I was so physical and I don't take naps and I was so physically exhausted, emotionally, physically. And I just, I just thought I blew it. You guys all had to leave and go to work and I'd be out there doing by myself. And when you got me on and started laughing about an hour later and said, you're not going to believe this where I told you he went up and over, I can see the tip of his horn bedded down. And I just thought, wow, if there's a, if there's one more chance, that's all I needed to do.

And luckily that one chance presented itself because I just about blew it. No, it's awesome. So in 14 hours later, it feels like you got him and you can read the story in the Epic Outdoors April issue. But anyway, what a great year. What a great year. There was, there's nothing like it. Killed a giant, giant deer, a giant ram. That ram, did he end up at like 173 or 174 as a desert? Just awesome. Yeah, it was 173 and something gross. And then officially, I think 172 and six eighths. Yeah. So. Yeah. Just awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you, what are you going to kill this year? And where are you? I'm a typical, you know, you can, you can kill a 240 buck and if it has a 175 frame with a bunch of trash, to me, that's not what gets me that, that 205, 210 solid frame, anything else after that is just for fun. But I'd take a 200, 205 typical over a 180 frame with, you know, 40 inches of trash.

So you're not asking for much then this year.

Typical and that's all we, that's it. 210 typical or 240. I'd rather have the 210. We'll see what this year brings. Yeah. Yeah. Jason finds one. He'll let you know. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Well, it'll be that or nothing. I don't, I don't need to kill one. I don't, I love the meat, but I'm, I'm a true trophy hunter at heart. So that's what I find fun and challenging. It's challenging. It's like, this is the kind of deer you've been hunting your whole life for. Yep. This is your biggest deer, right? I mean, by far your best deer. No, for sure. For sure. I got a few friends and I always tease them. I said, you're a, they always say they're a trophy hunter. I said, you're a trophy, trophy hunter until you see horns. And then you get all excited and feel the first thing, but you can't kill that giant if you don't hold up. That's right.

Well, some guys say they've got one and they don't need any more. Do you feel that way? You feel like you don't need any more? Oh no. I mean, I am, I am, I'm just going to say it. I am pissed off that it's taken me this long to kill a giant like this. I mean, I am. You didn't tell your wife that's a buck of a lifetime, did you? You didn't tell your wife that? Yeah. It's a good one. She knows there's bigger and better and she can't figure out why I'd even want to go out again. And how, how she didn't think I can beat myself, but I guarantee I can. Yeah. Perfect. All right, man. Well, we'll let you get back to earning that buck. Cause you're going to spend two.

All right. Well, thank you. All right. You bet. Sounds good. Good luck in the draws. Thanks for answering. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. You know, that should be illegal. What? You know, I, um, I tend to get jealous once in a while. John says things that it, okay, let's, let's preface this. Let's do the little asterisk symbol. This is not from Epic Outdoors. This is from John. These are not the views of Epic Outdoors. Someone should not draw the two tags in the same state. Is that where you're going? And John says, yeah, you shouldn't do that. Kids shouldn't be allowed to apply. Wasn't there something along those lines? No, no, no, no. No. No, I just get a little jealous. You get like a 12 year old killing a sheep. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, they don't even know what they're killing. Anyway, just joking around. So, man, we get people fired up. Oh, you do. You do. You get me fired up.

So, what age limit is legal for a kid that would understand the consequences of the tag he's got and really enjoy and cherish that tag? 35 to 40? Yeah. I was going to say, I'm 36. 40. I mean, I'm 46. I'm 46. That haven't lived to age, don't live to age 40. You should be 45 to be able to draw a sheep tag.

And you know what's funny? He laughs. He probably really feels that way. John, tell us how you really feel. How do you feel? Hey, you know, I'm going to probably be 60 before I draw. Probably. And, man. Probably. Anyway. Yeah. So, anyway, that's kind of the gist of it. That's pretty awesome, though. He killed two giants. Obviously, he's from Nevada. Yeah. He's from Nevada. He's a good dude. Yeah. He's a resident. And, you know, just really a hardcore hunter. What I like, I mean, and you can take away a little something from every hunter out there and all the different stories. We had the 200-inch podcast. Yeah. You learn something from every person, but the one thing about Jason is his tenacity and, like, his stick-to-itiveness. This guy can go and go and go and go, and he could go see the same buck or ram. Even if he was seeing him on a regular basis, he will not quit going. Yeah.

And that's my takeaway from Jason. I mean, he's a good glasser. He'll sit there with BTXs. We were sheep hunting with him. And he'll just sit there, and he can sit there literally all day. He loves the high-power glass, and he'll just sit there and grind and grind and grind. And I'm telling you, you know, he finds an incredible amount of animals doing that. And just the mental ability to sit there day after day after day after day after day after day. And grind it. Well, and he said it. He rolled the dice. I mean, think about how many guys, they've got one buck to hunt. A lot of guys will do that if they have some backups. He sounded like he didn't have anything else. And so he's willing to go all in. Well, and where he killed this buck is somewhat popular, and the area is. And I'm just like, guy, like, give yourself a chance.

Let's draw on a good year when there's – sometimes in the good years on these good units, Nevada has these huge ups and downs, huge valleys, huge peaks on quality, and it's directly correlated with rain and timing of moisture. You get the April, May. You got big bucks, you know, if you get moisture. And you have these huge – and I was talking with a biologist yesterday about it. But you do see that. And when Nevada's on, it's freaking on. And people can't get that out of their mind. There's been times I knew of, you know, 20, 200-inchers, 25, 200-inchers. And then you could go like this particular year and know about two or three. Like it's that. And that's why you were telling them to turn it in. I'm like, yeah, give yourself a fighting chance. He has a load of points. Give yourself a fighting chance. He's never drawn the tag he's drawn and he's tried for, you know, his whole life,

whatever that is, right? And so, you know, go on a good year. I mean, he's a resident. He's going to be able to draw again. Right. He's got a lot of points and he's a resident. So, you know, go on a good year. But anyway, if anybody's going to do it, it's going to be him. Here's another lesson we can take from him. Grow your own posse. Okay.

Elaborate, John. But just walk us through this. He's got kids that are as passionate as he is. Take us by the hand and walk us through this. So he's got his kids helping him. Yeah. And they're great kids and just hardcore as well. Well, they're enthusiastic. These kids are fun to be around. We had a good time. That sheep hunt, we had some great talks at night. Of course, gospel according to Jason. You know, I mean, we had a great time. His family, he's got a great family and a lot of support at home and out in the field as well. So anyway, and that's what I'm trying to do, John. I've got kids. I've got them. It's pretty awesome. They're glassing. Yeah. Tripodding. You heard it here. Grow your own posse. You heard it here. You heard it first on the Epcot George podcast. Have kids. Raise them right. And make them killers. All right. I'm going to get 75 before I have a posse. Yeah, Chris.

You've got to get started. You know how to fix that, right? Chris, what are you touching my monster can for? Well, don't touch my stuff. Did you see the one that has a llama on it? A llama? No. I did. It's the white one. It's the joke. It's this one. No. It's not. Oh, which one? Oh, it was the blue one. It's blue. It was a turquoise. And it wasn't a llama. He likes to say it was a llama. It's man versus beast. I just wanted to see for myself what it was. And it's the monster. It's the monster written on the can. It's not a llama. It's not a llama. It's not monsters. No. Llamas spit and run.

Oh, yeah. See, it's not. That's not a llama. It looks like a llama. No, it looks like a rabbit slash. If I was to look at like. Labradoodle. Hieroglyphics. It looks like a labradoodle. Hieroglyphics of a llama. It looks like a labradoodle. That's definitely a cameloid. It definitely looks like a cameloid. All right. So whatever it is, not a spitter. People back then would not have put up with spitters. They were brutal. Something would have spit on them. They'd have killed it and ate it. Tell me I'm wrong. You're wrong. There's this place where I spent a considerable amount of time called Bolivia. What? They loved the llama? Llamas and alpacas, yeah. Did they ever eat them? Part of the culture. Oh, yeah. See, that's what I mean. That's where I had llama steak. But they also used them as pack animals and work animals. Okay. He's eating guinea pigs.

So when those llamas are done, they can't pack anymore. That's a different place down there. When we're talking about fake rabbit foot. Oh, man. Chris, that fake rabbit foot. I mean, it's fake rabbit. No, this is not a rabbit foot. This is a foot of a rodent. It was disgusting. It was disgusting. But I had it regularly. Probably once a week. Wow. And you've still never been right. That's why you're so skinny. You ate things you shouldn't. If you think I'm skinny now, you should have seen me back then. I went down there when 175 and I came back 155. Oh, wow. Did you contract anything? Um, for a couple days. A little worm here and there. That monster would occur? Paratyphoid. Come on. Was it a parasite? Oh, it's a form of typhoid, yeah. Which is nice now because basically he can't get giardia. He's immune to it. Are you immune to it? You probably have giardia on monster down there.

He's probably on there. Who knows? He's probably immune to it. That's the worst sick I've ever been. Wow. Dude, COVID has nothing on there. No. I went blind for a while. A couple minutes or so. Blindness. You did? Yeah. Everything went white. Oh, man. Come on. Serious. About eight to 12 hours after that foot? No, it wasn't fake rabbit. Who knows what it was. Wow. Like, don't go towards the light. There's white everywhere. I would have went home. It was bad. And then I got a taxi, went to the hospital, and I was just leaning out of the taxi. Just the whole way. Oh, jeez. Just bad. Hurling? Yeah. Throwing up? On the road. Oh, jeez. I haven't heard that story. That's disgusting. Then three days in the hospital. How's the Bolivian hospital? Actually, do they have drugs? They probably have some pretty darn good drugs. It was actually...

I didn't go to the normal hospital that most people go to. I went to one that was... The vet? More in... Yeah, the vet. It was more of a... That's great. It was more of a private hospital that was a little bit nicer. We call them vet clinics.

Felt like going to your grandma's house. It really did. It was a nice... And then a doctor comes into the bedroom. And he opens up the medicine cabinet. And then I see what's wrong. Did you see at that point? Could you see your vision was back? It came back after, I don't know, a few minutes. Jeez. Dude. That was crazy. Isn't there what they call it? Isn't it the blood-brain barrier or something? You had whatever had went from your body, core body, up into your brain somehow to block vision. Who knows? Yeah, I don't know. It's pretty hard to do. I think it's similar to when you get a migraine and you can't see a little bit, like spots. But this was way more severe. Everything went white. We've got some doctors listening. Yeah, they're just kicking their... You guys have no idea what you're talking about. They're just pounding the wall.

The only thing they're wanting to do is have access to that medicine cabinet. Because there's stuff in there that fixes everything. Huh? Tell me I'm wrong. That's why everybody goes down there that has cancer. They go to Mexico. They don't go to Bolivia.

Trust me. Trust me. Only people that get sick from eating fake rabbit go to Bolivia. Fake rabbit. Well, yeah, let's give a couple shout-outs to the couple sponsors. Do you want to call anybody else? We can call somebody else. We can... Do you want to give a shout-out to sponsors? What do you want to do? Let's do. Let's do. Let's talk about MOA rifles. Okay. Who wants... Time to order your rifle for the fall. Chris, you went up there to that course with us. I did. Why don't you do? Why don't you do that? And I will say... So we went up to the MOA shooting school. I will say anybody that is a serious hunter, you should look into doing one of these shooting courses. They're pretty incredible. And just the amount of confidence that you can gain on your specific rifle at one of them is super valuable.

And just having somebody else there to coach you and help you learn things that maybe you didn't know. I think no matter how good you are, there's always something that you're going to learn. What I liked about that, too, is he went through the kestrel and wind and all of these things. We went through real-life situations. We were shooting anywhere from 600 or, well, 300 probably, to 1,250 yards, 1,300 yards. And we're constantly making calculations. And you do that over and over and over and over. Now, whatever you take away and actually implement in the field for yourself, I mean, that's up to us, right? We get to choose. And some of those things, sometimes I want less is more, so to speak. Some of that can slow you down a little bit. And I like to just, when you're in the heat of battle, simplicity kills. And so I may not calculate every variable.

But going there teaches you the importance of it, and you can do it. And then I think it helps you in your shooting, even if you don't do every little thing that every course teaches you. But here's part of it for me is the confidence to know that you can do it, and it's possible. Like you said, yeah, you're not going to take a 1,200-yard shot at something probably. But when you get that 400, 500-yard shot, you're going to have confidence. It makes it look like a chip. It feels like a chip shot. Yeah, and you understand how everything works. And so it just, yeah. And I also find that people that aren't shooting long range or practicing long range or have the capability, the equipment, whatever, let's call it, they're looking down their nose. They're judging us for taking a 600-yard shot because they're not used to doing that. And they don't know that that's a chip shot.

You know what I mean? To them, that's monumental. I've never even heard of such a thing. When I look 600, I can't even see what I'm looking at. How are you guys dare shooting at a live animal at that distance? It's nothing. I've never missed one at 600. Aaron, have you ever missed one at 600? No, and what we've had as guides, we've had people maybe hit one not a lethal shot close and have to do a follow-up shot like at 7 or 8. We would never have them take that the first time, but they have the gun to do it, and they've been able to just pull up at 7 and finish the animal off ethically. Well, and what's interesting is sometimes, Aaron, how many times have you seen in the field where the guys miss on the first round, hammer them on the second, third, or fourth, or whatever? Yeah. And what's the first round? It's the most collected, right? Yeah. It's supposed to be down.

It's supposed to be everything, but they always miss that first one. I mean, me included sometimes. Because of the excitement. Excited. And the unquantifiable. And then once that first shot breaks, the silence per se, and now it's a reset, and now it's kill zone, and people get into that, and it can happen. But, yeah, no one having a good long-range rifle, yeah, you're not going to shoot 1,200 yards, but, man, confidence at 600 is unbelievable. Well, if you can shoot 12, I mean, you kill at 6, 7, 8, whatever. We had a client, Adam and I were guiding in Nevada, and he missed a chip shot. And then, you know, that ram's out there at 750, hammered him twice like in the lungs. Whack, whack-a, whack-a, nothing. It was nothing. He had the equipment to do it. He had the capability of doing it. Got the jitters out of the way. That's all it was, right? So, luckily, we had a second chance.

Anyway, I don't know. Wrap it up, Chris. Anyway, if you're interested in going up to a course, give them a call. Also, they have incredible rifles that they build. So, you can call them at 541-526-1820 or contact or visit MOARifles.com. I like it. So, if you just want a rifle only, you can do that as well. Yeah, you can get a rifle. People are calling them all the time. We're referring guys up there. Super good guys. You know what I like, too, about them? They turn around. They treat it like a business. You're buying a product. They want to be timely. And, you know, they'll take your order and turn it around for you. So, anyway, super good guys. Great team. Bob Beck up there has got a heck of a business and a business sense about him and has done well with that. So, that's a topic you guys should do is missus. We're always talking about this big animal and we killed.

We could do an whole episode and why you missed. The cover guy, he missed his ram. I mean, where would you start? I know. Okay. So, nobody wants to answer that call. No one wants to do that call, but, like, why did we miss? And, like, you learned something from that. Jason and I were calling me from the Epic Outdoors podcast about my 200-incher. No. We want to know all the ones that got away and why. Okay. Tell us what you did wrong. And, I mean, honestly, if people were humble about it and could be okay. And educate the listeners. It would be an awesome podcast. It would be something different. Let's start with you, Aaron. Oh, boy. This podcast is getting long enough already and I tell you, mine would be another two hours of missus. That's my – that's what I'm saying. So, that is a good point. That is a good point. Well, that backfired. Dang it.

All right. All right, Chris. We got anybody else to – Yeah. We'd also like to talk about, just for a second, the phone scope. They've actually got a new model out. If you have the old phone scopes, they have redesigned it. They now have shock-absorbing bumpers inside the case. And I've started using it online. It actually is really nice. It takes away a little bit of that shake. Takes a vibration. Uh-huh. Okay. And just a little bit better design. So, if you have an old phone scope, it's probably – I would recommend upgrading. So, yeah. Check those out. I think it's a pyro putty, too. That new lighter and – Oh, wait. That new lighter and pyro putty combo. Has that new – did it ever save your life? Yes. That new lighter and combo should be in your cargo pocket everywhere you go. Well, there should be one in every door pouch of every vehicle. Of every backpack, every day pack.

So, the putty goes underneath and the lighter's on top. That's nice. So, one unit, you put it – every hunting pant has a cargo pocket. It should be – it should never leave there. Ever. Ever. Use – Because if you drop your pack, if you don't – Aaron, let me get – The truck's no good. The truck is no good. So, for those that don't know on a prior podcast, Aaron, you floated down an Alaskan River, got hung up, basically died, was – I didn't – Screaming. Basically died. Screaming. You did basically, right? Almost. Almost. It was very cold. I don't know if I almost died, but it did – I was swimming and fighting for my life. Almost. Almost. Okay. So, yes, you didn't about die. But everything was soaking wet and I had a pyro putty. You were within a lack of – if you wouldn't have been able to grab on to alders or whatever. A tree to get out. Yeah. Anyway, you probably – It could have been bad.

You probably, at the end of the day, do you have pyro putty on your body right now? No. Do you ever leave the house without pyro putty? I shouldn't. It's probably like your wallet. I shouldn't because that – I love that new pyro putty lighter and the tinder candle. I don't know. What do they call it? Sorry. The Elite Dual Arc Lighter with pyro putty. So, it's all in one. It's just a – Yeah, the tins are great, but it's kind of – that's just a two-part. You've got the lighter and now you've got to kind of find your tin. But it's still – that's what I had is the tin and the lighter. And, I mean, it still works. Don't get me wrong. It's two pieces. Right? The only thing you're saying is now – The new lighter can hold. The new lighter can hold pyro putty in the bottom of it. In the bottom of it. That's what – at the end of the day, it's a very simple little –

Because then it's just one unit in your pocket. Grab and go. And you never have to – And you can light somebody's house on fire, Adam's office that we were talking about. That's right. I mean, whatever. So, you came out of the river. Soaking – everything was wet. Soaking wet. Everything was wet. I had a Bic lighter in my cargo pocket thinking that was good. Yeah. I grabbed it and, of course, it doesn't work because it's wet. Yeah. So, I tear it through my pack. I have pyro putty in the tin in a dry bag and I just went straight for that. I got a stick. I crawled under a tree that was fairly dry. It had been raining. Obviously, it's Alaskan. Pulled out a little teeny bit of that tin and just hit the arc and boom. It was – With the electronic lighter. The electronic lighter, yeah. Yeah, the pyro lighter. Okay. Yeah. So, millennial products saved your life. Yep. Absolutely.

The electronic lighter. I mean, come on. I mean, you're plugging – you're charging it with a USB. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So, you can get 10% off any purchase from Pyro Putty with the discount code EPIC10. So, E-P-I-C-1-0. You're not making them jump through tons of hoops, just one hoop. Yep. Just one – well, it's just a discount. If you want a discount, great. Yeah, great. If you don't, don't use it. Yeah, great. If you don't, don't use it. Just drop them and pick one up. Yeah. If you don't want a discount, great. But if you do, go ahead and use EPIC10. Epic 1-0. And they're all over the place. Everywhere. Just buy them everywhere. All right. Well, anything else, John? Can we call it a day? No, we can call it a day. Congrats to Hunter Larson on the big win on the Pac-Wil. Yeah, if anybody knows Hunter, you better contact him and tell him to call us.

Hunter Chad Larson or Chad Larson that's a hunter. But it says Hunter C. All you know is C. Huh? I don't know. I just want to – It could be Hunter Carter Larson. But going – okay. Charles. Charlie. Charles Chucky. I don't know. We shouldn't have given that out. Someone could just go make that handle now. But we all have handles, right? We all have handles. You got to prove who you are. Jason Muley Carter. I like that one. Muley. Muley. All right. Should have named one. What's your handle, Aaron? I don't have a handle. I don't have anything. You do. You're on Instagram. You just don't tell people you're on Instagram. No, I'm not. You lurk. No. We have the – Adam and I have the Bronson outfit. Oh, yeah. That's right. All right. But, yeah, in closing, I would just say I haven't been to the Epic office in a while. You guys got this pretty fancied up here. You called this the dark room.

Yeah, well – I was offended. Well, it's not dark. There's no windows. I mean, we're not – There's a lot of lights. There is a lot of lights. Right? That's right. You've got optics. You've got trail cameras. That's right. We've got stacks of trail cameras. Yeah. That's the one thing about these trail cameras. Like, we don't screw around because, you know, when you're ordering cameras, sometimes, even if they have them in stock, it takes a month to get here. Just the way companies work, right? And so we pre-ordered. Pre-ordered. I love. Pre, right? Pre-scouted. Pre-ordered. Pre-ordered. We pre-ordered how many, John, Chris? I mean – Hundreds. Hundreds. There's a lot. Hundreds and hundreds. It looks awesome. So, anyway, if you need trail cameras, which, you're going to need them. Yeah. It's that time of year. It's that time of year. Optics and trail cameras. And they have them here.

Give us a holler and you won't – our prices will not be beat. We're not even price matching. You know what other people do? They're price matching us. Whatever you could find them at the cheapest, we may or may not match them. And some guys haven't matched them. So, anyway, we take pride in that, making guys a good deal here at Epic Outdoors. If you're a member, you get member pricing. Give us a holler, 435-263-0777. 435-263-0777. Epic underscore hunts on Instagram. Epicoutdoors.com. Well, thanks for stopping by, Aaron. It was a good visit and a fun time. I'm just glad he's got wheels. Yeah, got wheels. And go check out the website. There's a lot of good mapping features out there on the website. So, tell us real quick about the mapping. You bring that up and now this is a whole other podcast. But real quick, you're in charge of that, Aaron. Yeah. You're in charge of that.

You do that for us here at Epic Outdoors. Correct. I love it. You're doing a great job. Tell us – just give us the different layers that you put on in the different states. For those that don't know, I mean, Aaron's got – it seems like 15 jobs. Well – He does – he guides and he does – I do have a JTJ too. He does our mapping. He's got a short attention span. He's just all over the place. I am. But actually, professionally, you are a mapper, right? Yeah. Is it GIS? GIS analyst. What does GIS stand for? Geographic Information Systems. Oh. Yeah. Sounds good. Kind of like GPS. What does that stand for? I don't know. What is it? What is GPS? Global Positioning System. Oh, that's right. All right. Keep going. Yeah. It's like AutoCAD. Everyone's familiar with AutoCAD. No. Go ahead. But it's – But I am TikTok. It's layers. I don't know TikTok. Mapping is just – it's layers and you can add in.

And if you go out on the Epic website, it's the – under Hump Planner. Down at the bottom, you'll see Scouting Maps. And for all the states, you can click on all the states and it has any information that is, you know, out there for the public is on there. Hunt Boundaries. Migration Corridors.

Land ownership. You can add in roads layer. Every. Trails. You can add in – Google Earth. You got a Google Earth. You become a driver of Google Earth basically. Yeah. Everyone knows Google Earth and how to play with it. It's basically the same thing. But you have all those tools just on the left. I don't want to see this. Unclick it. I don't want to see this. Unclick it. Oh, I want to see this. You know, overlay this layer and you can just see it all right there on each state. And now that guys work from home from COVID, they could even do this on the clock. Yeah. Huh? Absolutely. They could get paid to research their hunting. To pre-scout. Right? To pre-scout. To pre-scout. Pre-scouting. Yeah. It's a very good pre-scouting. It is. I'm telling you, you can get lost in there for hours. It's pretty awesome. And you can add different layers.

You can go from topo to old topos to topography to street view. There's whatever end user wants, he can put it on there. We're all different. We all look at different things on our maps. And this is a way you can put whatever you want on the map, how you want to see it and how you understand the map. I just want to know where the next 220, 240 inch buck is standing on a layer. Let me click that layer. We have not got that layer finalized yet. We're still waiting for your data points to put it in. So when they send me the data points, I can put those in there. That's not happening. Exactly. Although, with these new iPhones and everything, people have them. Whatever. People probably already do. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Go check it out. Pretty cool. Now, John, can anybody go see that or do you have to be a member? You've got to be a member. Yeah.

With your membership, you get access to our members only section of our website. So you'll put in your email, your login, and then you've got access to all of it. That's where all the drawing odds come in, all of the maps, all of the minimum point search. So we can't print everything in Epic Outdoors Magazine. Right. Right. We print every odd for every scenario. But we do publish that. Yep. On our website. So you can log in. And pretty much everything that's available to members, they can see on the go, you know, on their phone through our website. Yeah. And that's always changing. As things change, we upload and change them, too. Okay. And I think what started you on this, Aaron, for personal reasons, like you're a mapping guy and you're a hunter, killer. You're wanting to see it for yourself. And then so while you're doing it, it just became a natural. Yeah.

Why not give it to everybody? How many years have you been doing mapping? 20. Quite a while. Geez, you're old. How old are you? You know, people retire in 20-year careers. I know. How are we going to retire? Yeah, it's not happening. John. We're past retirement age. You're going to be talking on the phone until you're 80. Dad come near 50. You know what I think is interesting is they say, and we'll be done with this, okay? But they say, like, the average good, healthy career in the service industry is like seven years. You're tripled out already. Put me in the closet. I'm running people off, John. Put me in the closet. All right, guys. What else? Do we have anything else? Anything that's of interest? Anything coming up? Dude, we've got some deadlines. Yeah, Colorado deadline, April 6th. Get your apps in. Call Adam for... Let's give Adam's phone number.

Call him for any questions in Colorado. Anyway, we're here to help you. So give us a holler if you need it. 435-268-077. Have a great day, everybody. See you. you