EP 140: Nevada Guide Draw and Hunting Trucks

multi-season hunts, archery hunts, muzzleloader hunts. They took the cluster of units, broke them out into singles. Absolutely should be a point in the guide draw. Your odds are two to four times. We did the math on almost all the units. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Chris Peterson at the keyboard. We got a couple of guys here that we're going to talk to. Do a YY. Wyatt Bowles, Devin Archibald, good guys here in the office. We've had a long old week. Here we are, Friday afternoon. Chris is making us do a podcast. Of course, we like doing them. Talk about what's cranking. That's right. It's a busy time of year for us. The new year's over. Happy New Year to everybody. But it's time to get some tags.

Let's bring it. Adam and I have been coming into work early. Three something, two something. We had some spreadsheet entries this morning. We built a whole spreadsheet. I don't know. I've got yours, my wife's, and mine. And I've got some blanks. Why do you have, he has my wish, I'll just call it a wish list. We're just going through things that I might try to draw. And he's typing them all in his spreadsheet. Here's the deal. This is what Adam does to you though. You're cranking along, you're just typing away, and all of a sudden he wants to talk. So we get out and we start talking hunts. And I forget what we decided. And I'm one of those guys, when we decide something, like I want to stick to it. And so anyway, Adam's coming up with ideas. I'm typing like crazy on this Excel spreadsheet. And now I think they're somewhat set in stone. I'm going to hold you to them a little bit.

That's him. It's the 10th of January. And according to him, I can't apply for any hunts this year because I've got a full schedule. Oh, no, there's some things on the spreadsheet. I know. Yeah, you've got to apply for those. That's it. I can't even go after Hail Mary tags. No, you have no room. That's what he's trying to tell me. He has no room. And, of course, Wyatt, you guys got some points. We've got three guys here in the office, Adam. They've been applying for deer in Utah since they were in high school. Yeah, is that right? Still holding strong. Chris, Wyatt, and Devin, is that right? That's right. You guys are sitting between 14 and 18 points, all of you, right? Yeah. 14. Wow. Chris? How many you got? I don't know. I'm going to have to calculate here. See, he's punting. Hold on. Let me calculate. Once again, if Chris was a football player, he'd be a punter. That was Wyatt.

That was Wyatt. Well, whatever. Either way. One of them is the punter and the other one is the backup punter. Day to day, this gets changed.

So, Wyatt, how many points you got? I'm sitting on 18. What are you going to do? Let's get on the record. Let's get the spreadsheet out and let's make an entry and save it. I've got until March. I've got plenty of time. No, you don't. I'm not feeling any of the pressure. No, you don't. Not yet. We're busy planning Adam's fall. Wyatt, we'll be hunting deer in Utah. Just a matter of when we're going to do it. Lower man on the totem pole. So, Adam's fall has got to go. Jason's has got to fall. I have zero deer points in Utah. So, zero. Zero. Zero. I'm eligible again. Dang. I'm one of those guys that was on a two-year waiting period. And because of the new five-year waiting period that got enacted, I'm grandfathered on the old two. So, I'm good to go. Lucky. Yeah. I think Wyatt should do a ham son on Buckcliffe's. Those new ham sons. I'm being serious.

So, there's a lot of new changes in Utah. Adam's been cranking out. Kind of lining those out for us this last week. And of course, kind of creates a little excitement. Well, and for all of you that think that I just, Jason portrayed me as just, I like to interrupt people when they're in the middle of working and just random comments. I'm really working. Well, I do the same. He's doing New Mexico and he's rattling off something. And pretty soon, we're talking about three antelope choices down there, which tend to don't even matter because the odds are so terrible. You're never going to draw a tag. Well, the odds were like one in 300 on some of the units. So, last year, as a lot of you guys know out there, they took the cluster of units, broke them out into singles, a lot of singles, some of them doubles. And the drawing odds were kind of irrelevant.

And because they broke them out, they also broke out the quotas, the tag quotas in the unit, which allows for less tags issued per hunt code. And so, the drawing odds went through the roof. So, anyway, we digressed in New Mexico. New Mexico antelope, no less. And then I'm talking about, I'm trying to get these, I'm going through the deer tables the other day during the days. The calls were slightly lighter for an hour. So, I'm trying to get, give wide options. I'm throwing out stuff, you know. Premium hunt or multi-season hunts, archery hunts, muzzleloader hunts. Just trying to find the button, right button to push, thinking. But he's not the kind of guy, and Devin, you know him probably better than anybody. Chris, you three. Man, you just, he's not the kind of guy that is an impulse shopper. Really?

Have you ever seen something in a window, Wyatt, and said, I need to have that and I'm going to buy it? No. And 10 seconds later, you're at the cash register? Very methodical. I don't think, I mean, let's talk about this a little bit. I really want to get into this, because it's just, there's little things, there's little things about each person individually, like Mulder, that create their personality. Tendencies. And so, when Wyatt comes in and says, okay, I just want to back up a little bit. When he first started coming into the office and started working with us, it was 629. Every freaking morning, 629. Who does that? Who does that? And he has a 10 or 12 minute drive to work. I don't know what that is. He knows. What is it? 10 point, 10 minutes. 10 minutes and 13 seconds. He rolls in. I get in my little white Toyota. I turn the key. It comes out of the driveway just like this.

It's on a quarter tank of gas, because I left it on a quarter, and I remember that from last night, and I'm going to get gas on Monday, because I get gas on Monday. That's just Wyatt. What did you have for breakfast? A pair of eggs, like I always have. And then I learned you actually deviated from that. Now we're into this rut of, Devin? Blueberry bagels with peanut butter. All right. Now is this creamy, chunky, Jeff? Where are we at? And I'm serious. Don't act. He's the kind of guy that probably can only eat one kind of peanut butter. What is it? If you've learned all this about me, the one thing I've learned is I sit too close to Jason Carter every day. Because if he learns something about your life, he's going to exploit that. Exactly. It's like a hen finding a spot of blood on another hen. I'm going to peck it until it dies. I still want to know crunchy or smooth.

Just regular peanut butter. What does that mean, Wyatt? Crunchy or smooth? You're not buying it. It's probably Jif. Without the whatever chunks in it. Regular peanut butter. Jif? It probably has to be Jif only. Jif is a good choice. Jif's a good choice. Devin, you know, he probably couldn't buy a great value or Western family peanut butter. No. There's no way. And for lunch, where are you going to find Wyatt? Where are you going to find Wyatt, Adam? Brad's. Because Brad does what, Wyatt? He tells you you're a good guy. Remember? Who wouldn't want to be told they're a good guy? I go to Brad's. I get the Bronco Burger. If I get the special, I can get a drink. If I do that, Brad says you're a good guy. I drive through the drive-thru. Call it a day. Hey, I'm back at the office at 12.13. Right? I love it. If you were a mule deer, Wyatt, you'd be smoked. No problem. Probably true.

Now, having said that, we don't know Devin. We're hearing Devin's very similar. Devin? Like, I mean, you could probably get me in a Maver, get in a Dr. Pepper. Maybe only twice a week, though, so you'd have to sit there a while. You'd have to sit there a minute. Yeah. Chris? Chris is a roamer. We don't even want to talk about Chris. Yeah. Bronson? I'll agree with that. Find him on the winter range. No. No. No. You'd see him one night and think you had him dead on the winter range the next morning. You'd never find him. Well, he'd be going from Zion over to the Ponce. Overnight. Yeah. And down into Arizona. And back into Colorado. Of course, he's going to drag Maine down Kanab. And then he's going to go ahead and head on out to the Buckskins. And then head to Colorado. And then he'll loop back into Nevada somehow. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's heading to Arizona and then Sonora.

That's where he's headed. You guys are out of control.

Coos deer, mule deer, take your pick. Depends on the day. Never ends. Huh? Never ends around here. Anyway, I do think, just like mule deer, I do think there's certain times in Chris's life where he's more vulnerable than others. Comes up with some habits. I haven't found one of those vulnerable times. Well, he owned an EcoDiesel and had trouble. Okay. Tell us about the trouble it had and how often you were at the dealership. And if I'd have sat on the porch of the dealership, I'd have smoked me a 200-inch. Well, visits for the truck were eight times. And in between there, I was definitely in there three or four times per visit. And how many months did they have it at one time at times? Two and a half months. Wow. And this is a brand new. Brand new. This isn't a, you know, quote, one owner that you found on, you know, Thrifty Nickel. He missed the lemon law by one day. One day.

Let's talk about the benefits of this, though. I think they did that on purpose, though. They did it on purpose because he filed before. It's a one-year lemon law. They gave it back to me the day after the lemon law expired. Yeah. And then they claimed, sorry, it's one day too late. So Chris goes and has it deleted, and it's the best truck he's ever owned. It's been great. I've put 5,000 miles on it since. What's the blessing? What's the silver lining? He was hunting out of a rental truck all fall. I mean, why not? Oh, that's true. Good point. The smoke screen, you know. That is something that Jason knows real well. Come on. A revolving pickup during the hunts to be a smoke screen wherever you're at. Nevada, you never know. You're one to talk about, you know, just mixing it up. I like to mix it up a little bit. Likes to mix it up. And every, you know what's funny is I like them all.

I like the Toyotas, Fords, Chevys. Dodge. Dodge. They're awesome. The power wagons, they're hard to beat. They're hard to beat. But anyway, patterns kill deer. Patterns crush these fellers right here every day here at the office. Coming up on a weekend. These guys, hopefully they come back Monday morning. We're just trying to break their patterns so they start using these points. Because like anything, we love it. We love to spend everybody's money. And points. We love to convince them to buy vehicles. We love them to spend their points and eat tags like we do. Well, now they're never going to do it. That's not the reason we want you to go on good hunts, guys. That's right. Let's apply. One thing I want to bring up a little bit. You guys have spent a lot of time in Nevada. We're giving away a Nevada hunt. Bronson, we're giving away a deer hunt guided by Epic. That's right.

And the Nevada Guide Draw Alert. That's right. Coming out. Well, yeah. We'll talk about that first real quick. It is always, if you're going to go guided in Nevada every year for rifle mule deer. It only applies to the rifle mule deer hunts. It doesn't apply to other species like the New Mexico Draw. They have a drawing every year earlier in March. This year, the deadline's March 9th. You have to have an agreement with an outfitter. But if you're going to hire an outfitter in the event that you were to draw a tag in the regular draw, if you're going to hire somebody anyway, absolutely should be applying in the Guide Draw. Your odds are two to four times. We did the math on almost all the units until we quit doing it because we're like, it's always better. It's always. We never found one. I know there may be some obscure place that it's not. Somebody will find it. Even the 240s.

Even the 240s. Better. Or 220s late was better, even though they're still bad. But give us a call if you're interested in that. You know, Devin, Wyatt, Jason, I, any of us can help you get in touch with an outfitter that you can apply with in the Outfitter Draw, Guide Draw, as it's called, in Nevada, to increase your odds of drawing. You're going to find out, deadline, like I said, March 9th, you're going to find out about two weeks after that if you draw, which is almost two months earlier than the regular Nevada results the end of May. So it helps you plan your fall. You also get the ability, once you draw, you're essentially already booked with that outfitter. So you don't then have to beat, you know, you already got your choice of dates. You solidify your dates with the outfitter.

You don't have to be, you know, quite as on top of it in May beating the whole, you know, army that's trying to book at the same time. That's right. Yeah, if you're a rifle deer hunter, you should be doing the Nevada Guide Draw. The points that you have will be used in the Guide Draw, the same as the regular draw. However, you can only apply for one or the other. You'll gain a point if you're unsuccessful. Same thing. Next year, you decide to go on the regular draw. No problem. If you're an archery or muzzleloader hunter, then you'll want to do the regular draw. You can mix and match. Rifle, muzzle, archery, no big deal. In the regular draw. As far as the Guide Draw, the restricted guide draw like Adam's talking about. Rifle only. So, anyway, if that matches you, call us. We'll set you up. There's easy-to-draw units as well as trophy units, so to speak.

Some guys get nervous about the few amount of tags in the Guide Draw. However, with drawing odds, there's two factors. You've got number of applicants and you've got number of tags. And so, even though there may be only one or two tags in some cases, drawing odds are generally better. All right. With that, we are giving away a hunt. Of course, Wyatt being the awesome outfitter guide. Actually, really, guide. And, Devin, you've spent a ton of time in Nevada as well. You guys are really good friends. I think that's a lot of what a lot of people don't know about you guys. You're great friends and spend a lot of time in the hills in Nevada especially. You'll be there as well, helping this guy knock down a giant along with the Epic crew here. Yeah. Going to be fun. November 1 to 5, we've got the landowner tag bought and secured for 2020. Fully paid for. As well as the guide services there.

You might think we're all crazy and maybe you don't want to spend time with us in the hills, but we're going to be amped up. Ready to hopefully crush a big deer for somebody. And there's only two ways. Well, there's only really one way to enter, but there's a couple ways to go about doing it. And we decided to kind of do a unique giveaway for our members of Epic Outdoors. You have to be a current member of our service and then refer somebody that joins Epic Outdoors. You can either refer them or say, tell your buddy, hey, call, join Epic Outdoors. Give them my name. Let them know that I'm the one that referred you. When they call and join, put you down as a referral, you'll get a name in the entry for the Epic Outdoors Nevada Mule Deer Hunt. But if you've got some family, friends, coworkers, employees, boss, whatever,

and you want to just buy their Epic Outdoors membership, you can do that. You're essentially referring them, but you're paying for it yourself. So those are the ways you can do it. But there's no way to buy tickets for the hunt. We want to do it unique. We want to do it for members. And we wanted to make it a unique way to enter, which is a membership driveway for us. So those are the two ways. So have at it. You've got until February 29th to enter. So with this time of year, it is the show season. We're going to be out at Wild Sheep Foundation. We're going to be in booth 1024. We've got a booth out there. It would be awesome to rub shoulders with the guys, clients of ours, and potential clients as well, and the outfitters out there. We're also going to be at the hunting expo, the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo. It will be February 13th to the 16th.

We're going to have a booth there, as we always have had. We've got a great spot. We've got the best location in there. It will be a great booth. We're going to have one of the best deer killed on the strip in our booth. We're going to have the deer. We'll have to come see which one it is. We're not going to tell you. Yeah. We've got a deer, a sheep, some big stuff that's going to be there, as well as us, of course. We want to visit with you about some of the hunting opportunities, different things you're thinking about. We get a chance to do seminars as well on Friday. Yep. That's right. What are we going to talk about, Bronson? I don't know. Maybe we'll take some input from members that are going to come. I don't know, because we don't want to be a boring, like where we just sit down and say, Arizona, and we just talk about. We don't want to be. That's right. You know, stuff like that.

We don't want to be too boring. We want it to be entertaining. We want it to be informative. But, you know, maybe, I don't know, Chris, if you can make it work, maybe we'll have a hot mic there and do a podcast. I believe we will. Something like that. So, anyway, if you want us to cover a few things in this conservation, hunting conservation seminar that we're going to do on Friday, maybe hit us up on Instagram. Be epic underscore hunts. You can DM us. Chris gets all that. Of course, Chris makes all of our posts as well.

Anyway, come up with something. Put it on there. We'll do our best to cover it. But we're going to cover some stuff there. We're going to drop some info on there. We'll be at booth number 2744. Again, that's February 13th to 16th, the Western Hunting Conservation Expo. You've got a bunch of $5 tags, 200 of them you can put in for another chance to win a hunt. We'll be there. Looking forward to visiting with you. And we'll be there the whole time. Got a booth there, like we said. Also on the Saturday, a cool event that we want to give a shout out to is the Full Curl Society Social. They're going to be giving away at least 11. It says 11 plus. So that means they're, who knows? They have announced one or two there on the Saturday. They're kind of surprise hunts, add-ons, if you will. But 11 hunts for all species of North American wild sheep, desert, rocky, stone, and doll sheep.

And you can apply online at fullcurl.org. You can apply there now. Some of those hunts you don't have to be present to win. So if you're not coming to the Western Hunting Conservation Expo and the Full Curl Society, which is on the Saturday, February 15th, if you're not coming there, you can apply for the hunts that you don't have to be present to win. If you are going to be there, they have a booth there as well. You can come there, buy your tickets there, put them in the bin. Saturday is a crazy busy day. And they'll make a lot of sheep hunting hopes and dreams come true on that Saturday. It's always kind of fun. It's a blast. We appreciate their support of us here at Epic Outdoors. We feel a lot of support with these conservation organizations as well as the Game and Fish and some of the Indian reservations as well. We've got a lot of good friends in the departments.

We've got good friends with these hunting expos, wild sheep, different things. And so anyway, we appreciate their support. And of course, we're there to support them as well. So that's kind of what makes the world go around, this hunting industry. It's a small industry. And a lot of people have asked us, how do you make a living in the hunting industry? And let me just tell you, don't do it. It's hard. You grind it. It's hard. You grind. Right? But it's fun. So anyway, you guys got any Nevada stories as we close this thing? There's a little something. We'd be here for a long time. Devin. Devin, besides losing 14 different transfer cases across the deserts of Nevada. I've been towed. Yeah, I couldn't tell you. That'd be a lot of stories too. Not a big population base anywhere in Nevada where we hunt. I mean, you've got Vegas and Reno. And outside of that, there's nobody.

And I'm not saying that Ely isn't something. I'm just saying, even Ely is little. Yeah, I was towed once and they told me that mileage was like 90-something. 94? To the AAA place? 94 miles. Wow. Two years in a row, exact same spot, same truck. Probably perfectly amazing oiled highways, right? What did you hit? How did you break down twice? My steering. I'm coming down this hill to the main road. I'm turning right. My truck's going left. Come on. Went out. Steering column or something. Just locked on the brakes? Use some rocks. Rocks and logs to get straight down on the road. And then the next year, same road. I'm telling the hunters the story of this. Oh, come on. I hit it four low to go over what I call the volcano. Just straight up. You're looking at the sky. Seizes. Transfer case seizes into neutral. Oh. Come on. Yeah. Oh. Wow. That's bad luck. That was bad luck. Kind of jinxed myself.

But yeah, that's one. I'd probably be reluctant to ply too. I'd leave that unit. Yeah. I wouldn't come back. You want to phone a friend. Yeah. Do you have an inReach? I do. Now. Now. Back then I was. Yeah. Walkie talkie. Copy copy. Anybody? Helpie help anybody. Hello. Hey. What are you doing? How are you? Yeah. Who's this? Well, this is John down in the valley. I'm preg checking heifers. Who's this? My name's Devin. How are you, sir? Can I come help? Can we come back back? I'll help you. You have a diesel truck by chance. A strap. You know what a Benji is. Come on. Come get me. Wyatt, how about you? You've been over there a few different times. Yeah. Yeah. I'm chasing, looking for giant bulls and stumbling onto some giant bucks. Yeah. I've had some bad luck with trucks as well out there. You have? You know, sunk a truck out of sight. You did. B.S. Miles from anywhere.

I remember an in-reach message coming across one time. It's like, hey, I'm out in the middle of Nevada. I think Josh showed it to me. Wyatt sent it out. You were hitting it. Snapped a frame in the one truck I'm driving now. Broke the frame in half out there. That's where you broke the white toy's frame? That's the one he wants to sell us. You guys are the one making the offer. Yeah. I mean, I just... Adam wants to buy it. It's a stick shift. Jason and I got kids coming up. It's got electrician's tape holding all the lights on. I look at it every day and I'm like, I wish I wouldn't have said anything. Today, Adam's like, I think he's a little steep on that. What do you think? Well, I'm just looking at it. I'm like, well, I hope it makes another year to where my boy can drive. It's a stick shift. Wyatt says the frame's stronger than when it was made at the factory. He's such a liar.

They did a great job welding that thing to get back together. A double bead. It will definitely not break in the same spot. It won't break. It won't. It will not break in the same spot. I was driving behind Wyatt and I'm like, I wonder if that thing crawls. You know how you can tell when they're kind of going like this down the road? No, it was pretty straight. How did you do that? How did you break a frame? I don't know. Don't know. Come on. Just a few of those big dips, I guess. Rocking it. A little bit of flex. Too much flex, maybe. I don't know. A little rock like that. What was your in-reach message? Come and get me, basically. Well, I think it was something. Can you guys find somebody to come out here and pick me up? Yeah. Basically said I'm going to try to drive it home. But I need somebody headed this direction just in case. Oh.

I made it all the way to the till right there before Minersville. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that big hill. Or before Milford. The big hill right there before Milford. Coasted in town? Yeah. Data met me right there. Talking Wawa Summit? Yeah, Wawa Summit. Yeah. Data met me right there and we threw it on the trailer and brought it the rest of the way. Wow. Well, this is spooking me. Let's talk about something fun. Broken down in the middle of nowhere. Now, what I think is really funny about all this is he's got a new, a brand new Tundra, so to speak. Okay? Okay. And he doesn't even take it out of the driveway for fear that it might get a scratch. I don't know. You saw what happened when I took a lion hunt like a week or so ago. The first time it's been off-road and he's talking about trading it in. The first time. That's not even true. I've seen it pretty many in the house.

Tell them what my boy did the other day. Sean. Oh, so we're sitting up there on a hill and it was Wyoming. Was it? Yeah. Yeah, it was. Having a sandwich. Having a sandwich right there. Sean rips that door open and just doors my truck. Well, and I mean, your door doors him? Yes, but it's- So does your insurance cover that one or who's got a claim? So, it didn't just smash it like Wyatt's talking about. It was a light. Like a little BB ding. It was a pretty hard hit. Jason got a little tense there for a minute. Well, because I know what he thinks of this truck. He thinks it's awesome. Wyatt takes so good a care of it, I think that's cost him a deer this year. Because there's a lot of roads, including good gravel roads, he wouldn't take it on. Oh. Okay, well. He's got a winch that's never been used. It's brand new. Wyatt, speak of it. The winch might be never been used.

That's a good thing, though. That's kind of a worst case scenario. That's a good thing. You don't just use winches to skin your deer in the middle of the road or something like that. He doesn't even know if it was wired right. He hasn't even tried it. Oh, it's wired right. It's been tried. They get you in trouble if you don't have one. You have to test your equipment. I need to test mine. You do. Right now, it's for looks. But I need to know it works. Yes, you do. Before I need it. You do. Well. Anyway, when you try it, have Wyatt spool it back in because it'll be perfect. But anyways, Sean doors my truck. Jason gets a little tense. He can tell he's a little upset with him. Walking over there and saying, oh. Sean turns back and looks at Jason. He says, this is why you don't take kids hunting. That's pretty sad. After he did it. After he did it. I said, Sean, come on. Really?

And he goes, that's why you don't take kids hunting.

Well, if that's his guilt. I don't know that he's even thought another thing about it since. No, it was a pretty funny moment. But it didn't leave a mark, I guess. No, no. Everything was just fine. But anyway, I do want to reiterate, you know, we got some of the best on staff here at Epic Outdoors. These guys are very qualified. Spent a lot of time in the hills and killed a lot of big animals. We're talking big old deer. And, of course, it's hard to toot your own horn. But I can do it for you. Made me jealous a couple of times. I got to admit. Well, and even though they're new to Epic Outdoors, you know, we hope that as you get to know them, call, consult with them. Either in application strategy or looking for hunts of some kind or booking an outfitter that you need after you draw a tag. Like, you're going to find out pretty quick. These guys are pretty serious about what they do.

We wouldn't have hired them if they weren't. And glad they're on board with us. We've brought them on board here, you know, Wyatt earlier last year and then Devin here more recently in the last few months. So we're excited to have them on board. This is all to continue to add benefits for our members and make sure we can make customer service for our members, you know, at the forefront of anything. If we build a membership and have a good membership base but we don't have enough great consultants to meet the needs of those, whether it be for phone calls or, you know, license application strategy or doing the research on outfitters and fine hunts for them, we're not doing our job if we can't service those members. So appreciate your support of us. Consider joining Epic Outdoors or getting a member to join Epic Outdoors like we talked about and get in for the Nevada deer hunt.

We have other hunts available as well. You can check it all out at epicoutdoors.com. Anything else you want to give a shout out to? Man, the only thing I was thinking about, so I spent some time with sheep hunting in Nevada. Of course, you did too. We spent a ton of time. And down there was kind of tough this year with all the rain and whatnot, had the sheep spread out. Usually go to Nevada to sit in a lawn chair and have nice warm weather after Utah's. That's right. I've been freezing to death. I went down there and we froze to death. Continued to freeze to death. Yeah. Jeff and I had to build a fire. Oh, yeah. He was in four inches of snow hunting desert sheep. We hiked up on this ridge and all of a sudden we're in snow and it socked in and we about froze to death. And the brush is, you know, flocked white.

So as you're walking through it in sheep hunting clothing, right, it's just wicking all over everything because you're not wearing rain gear bottoms. It's not raining. No. Thankfully, Jeff had some pyro putty from a good buddy chest in it, phone scope, or he wouldn't have made it out alive. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He was set on building a fire. It took him a minute, but that stuff was soaking wet. It rained for like two, three days straight. Yeah. I looked around for dry stuff for probably a half hour and didn't find anything. So we just lit the wet stuff on fire with the pyro putty. Wow. So anyway. Smoked it dry. My buddy Cheston Davis there does a good job there at phone scope. He's also got pyro putty that he's working with. He owns the company. And it's amazing products. Go check it out at phonescope.com. Anyway, does that.

He also does cooler trays, keeps your crap up out of the water, does a good job. Pretty proud of him. He's got a lot going on for him. What were you going to say, Dylan? Pyro putty? No? Oh, I was telling Chris, you had to just light up some cow patties. No. There were no cow patties up there. I'm going sheep hunting tomorrow. It's going to be cold. Anybody that shed hunts in a car with a couple of chicks to keep him warm at night, over in the middle of Colorado.

He couldn't get by or about anything. Chris has got some amazing car stories. What do you think the best car is for hunting? Remember the times? Remember that old Tundra or whatever you bought from Jason? That was my favorite car. You slept in the cab of that thing, right? All the time. All the time over there. In Colorado? In the front cab. And I don't know. Chris, you're not really a little dude. You're six foot or whatever. I don't know what you are. About six. That had to be a terrible few nights. It wasn't bad. I remember one year I actually spent 18 nights over there. I had a specific deer I was hunting. He slept in the truck. I actually slept in the back. The bed. But in third season. No. The back of the cab. The access cab. So I put a four inch foam pad in the back. Nowadays I'd just use like a canvas cutter.

But it was the same type of thing where it was just a four inch foam pad thrown out in the back seat. And I slept 18 nights. But I remember when it got cold. It got really bitter. So then you could just crank the heater on. Yeah. I just start the truck up once or twice every night. I want to circle back to a comment you made. Oh boy. I bought a truck from Jason. And it was the favoritest truck I've ever had. It was. That thing. I loved it. What was it? It was a Tundra. It was just like yours. A little white Tundra. Had a spotlight on that. With the V8. V8. And a 2000 Tundra. Yeah. It was awesome. I thought it was wear out when I sold it to him. I felt guilty. I actually gave him 500 bucks back. I think I sold it to you for five. Five. And you traded it in 150,000 miles later for 4,500 bucks. And the funny thing is, is the last night that he was with the truck, he slept in it. I did.

At the dealership parking lot.

That's funny. I did sleep in it the last night I had it. Did you get emotional when you left it a little bit? Oh, no. I mean, I turned around and looked back at it. You gave it a nod. You made sure it was in park because it didn't have brakes. It didn't have brakes. It needed rotors. The reason I had it up there, basically, it was due for about everything. The rotors were gone. He says, they gave me 4,500 bucks. I'm like, you got a heck of a deal. And he goes, yeah. They could have charged me double for the new truck. I wouldn't have cared because I got 4,500 for the trade-in. 150,000 miles for 500 bucks. Well, it had dang near 300,000. I gave it to him. Well, sold it to him. For 140-something thousand. 140,000. And when I took it back, I had 293. Same training, same engine, same transfer case, same engine. You got your 500 bucks.

Yeah, the only engine problem I ever had was a coil went out. And it was $90 and fixed it. I feel like he took advantage of me. You should have sold it for 10 grand. Because at least. But the ball joints, they had issues. Yeah, the ball joints had some issues. I replaced them three times. Yeah, that's kind of why I sent it down the road. Yeah, I know. It had a leveling kit. It just never was. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, something wasn't quite right. It's always at a level. Now Wyatt's trying to sell us a broken old frame down truck. It's got, what, 250,000, 300,000 miles. Odometer quit working 14 months ago. Not true. Not true. But I'm not trying to sell it. You guys are the ones that keep bringing it up. I've got a proposal. I told Archwell, I'm like, I would never sell it to a friend. I've got a proposal. However, I'll sell it to my boss. I've got a proposal. Proposal.

What if, because I've got a son coming up, and Jason does too, that are about the same age. And this day and age, you still want to teach your kids how to drive a stick shift, because it's like a dying talent, right? It's hard to find. Stick shifts are hard to find. Jeez. That's really what we're after. It's a stick. And we want a little truck that our boys can learn how to drive a stick. And why don't we rent it for two months? Two months each. I'll take two months. Adam takes two months. And we'll sign something, because the likely thing, because it's happened to me with my oldest daughter, I had a 4Runner that was a stick, and I kept it just so that she could learn how to drive it. But after the first week at school, she drove it, popped out of gear. She didn't put the emergency brake on, and I get a call from the cops. And it's down the street in someone's front yard.

It popped out of gear, ran down the street, popped the curb, and it's sitting in someone's yard. And didn't hit a thing, thankfully. Okay, so that was the first thing. I said, honey, you've got to be careful. Pull the brake out, right? Two weeks later, she burned the clutch out of that thing trying to drive the stick. Wait until we sign the documents and rent the car first. I was going to say that I would probably even be willing to say, you know, work out a monthly rate for rental. And if the clutch goes out, that, you know. Then that's on us. It's on us. But if the clutch is fine, you get it back. That's right. And you're going to give you a monthly rental, and it's just free money. It's paid off. I'll give you $500. We'll give you $500. We'll call it a day. During hunting season, you'll be driving your Tundra. That thing will be sitting in the driveway doing nothing.

You might as well make, you know, $500. We'll give you half what it's worth, $1,000. $500 a month for two months. $500 for two months. Let us drive it. Who knows what's going to happen to it. Let us drive it. Going to have teenage 16-year-old boys using it. Does everyone need to hear to us, negotiate this deal here? I've just given you an option. You said you wouldn't sell it. I'll just take one of Jason's seven trucks. You just, there are no sticks. There's no sticks. But I'll be driving one that's not a stick. It's hard to text and drive with a stick and eat a burger at the same time. I've done it. So you said you didn't want to sell that burger. I'm just trying to find it. Burger at Brad's. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. He's already talking about Brad's. He's already got tomorrow's plan lined out. I've got it. Wow. Just the solution.

You said you wouldn't sell it to a friend, so I'm willing to give you $500 a month. I'll do a month. Jason does a month. Kids learn how to drive a stick. Everybody's happy. Then they can drive automatics, but at least they've learned the mechanics of that. How many months? Two. Just two months. We're talking years down the road. That's like eight months to ten months from now. Who's to say it'll still be around? My boy? I hope he's around.

The truck. You don't do anything fast, Wyatt. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you'll have that truck five years from now. Wyatt's been hinting he'll sell it. I'm thinking two years from now it's going to be down. He did seriously tell me the other day. He said, you know, so-and-so wanted to buy this truck. He won't sell it to a friend. To who? Debt. He offered me more than I'd pay for it. B.S. How much? After he blew up his car for like the third time, I think. Yeah. He offered me five grand. Is it a firm offer? Five grand? Five grand. How long goes this truck? What is it? What year is it? It's a 99. Toy. How long ago did he offer you that? Two years ago? No, it's been within the last year. Yeah. Is he duping? Well, I mean, I wouldn't sell it to him because obviously I felt like I was cheating him. A, you're screwing him. Yeah, exactly. B, you're going to be out towing him.

Yeah, maybe I'll just go trade it in like Chris. It seems like you get better. So wait a minute. And you don't have to worry about selling it. The same guy that was going to come get you in the desert offered to buy the truck? Yeah, exactly. That's some funny shit. He deserves what he's offering you. He knows the frame's been compromised. He knows the frame has been broken. He deserves it. Sell it. He rescued me. I would take. Okay, sell it. I would take. That's a good deal. You get rid of the truck. I'd take 50 Benchies and call it a day. Yes, take it. Take it. Sell it and move on. You guys are acting like this truck doesn't get me from the house to work every day. Has it got a rebuilt title? No. You know, it probably should because breaking the frame is probably rebuilt. It probably should have been totaled because breaking the frame would total that truck. Take the money.

Jason and I will find a stick somewhere else, but you better take that deal. That's smart. The deal's gone now. I couldn't do it. Well. Okay, sell it to me for $3,500. I'll sell it to him for five.

I have no problem. Yeah, it'd end up in the same place, but it'd be on you now, I guess. Get rid of it. All right. All right. Well, anyway, if you want to buy a truck that's broken down and ain't worth $2,500 for five grand, talk to Wyatt here in the office. 435-263-0777. We work with a lot of clients here trying to get them tags. We have a monthly publication, December through June, bimonthly for the remainder part of the year, nine issues a year. Cranking out Western Big Game. That's all we do. Statistics, book and hunts, guarantee tags, line-art tags, anything and everything. Big game. We can take care of you. That's right. Love to have you as a member. Love to take you deer hunting this November too, so get a buddy to join. Go online, EpicOutdoors.com. Give us a call. Happy to visit.