EP 159: Trail Camera 101 with StealthCam

And the trail cam industry is reborn, it feels like. Deer comes in to drink, it's nice when you get every angle and totally know what that deer is. I don't go check my cameras unless I absolutely have to during the season. Anything to do with western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, coming at you from southern Utah. Sunny southern Utah. Bronson finally not having any of this Washington weather. No, it's not. It's beautiful. Went golfing the other night. You did? Absolutely. Pretty impressed. I've golfed once. After some rusty, rusty winter, I felt pretty good. Hit the ball well. Did you? Oh yeah. Ty, my boy, he was crapping. He's like, whoa. He hit some pure shit. He hurt his elbow, farting around with his kids, so he went with me. On the second hole, he goes, Dad, I can't swim in my club anymore. He's got a big problem, so he just watched the whole time. Anyway, it was fun. Great weather. Supposed to be mid-80s here in Cedar City, which is warm for us. Triple digits down south of us towards Vegas here this next, in a few days. Crazy to believe.

Well, if heat runs off viruses, maybe the coronavirus will settle down a little bit with these triple digits, huh? Yeah. Yeah, we're super excited. Got a lot of spring growth coming on. In fact, we were looking at some vegetation. Jan and I just last night went over to a gal's house. Actually, the night before last. Then yesterday went over there, and it was just leafed out like crazy in one day. So, anyway, antler growth time. We're super excited. With that, of course, we've got an exciting time of year where we use a lot of trail cameras, and that prompts today's podcast. But before we get started, let's thank Under Armour. We appreciate them and their support. Everything we do here at Epic Outdoors, the podcast, the publication. We've got a lot going on, and they support us in every facet of our business, and we appreciate them. We're right in the middle of the application season.

Coming up is the Nevada applications. They are due May 4th, 11 p.m. Pacific time. What a great state to apply in. You'll be able to gain points for all species, desert bighorn, California bighorn, elk, deer, antelope. They also have what they call a PIW tag. It allows you to hunt any open season for deer. There's three of those for non-residents. An additional $10 application there, as well as silver estate tags. Those are basically like governor's tag, allowing you to hunt for months on end, and anywhere in the state that's open to hunt. So anyway, great opportunity there in Nevada. Application date is May 4th. That would be Monday. So think on it heavy and get your applications in. Don't miss that deadline. All right, Bronson, we've got a guest for Stealth Cam to talk about trail cameras. Of course, we're thinking about trail cameras all the time this particular time of year.

I've already been putting some out in the hills. And so anyway, we've got Chris Duncan on, the marketing manager there for Stealth Cam, GSM Outdoors, I guess. Is that what it is, Chris? That is correct. All right. Right on. How are you doing today? Good. How are you guys doing? Doing great. Well, yeah, like we said, it's kind of that time of year. It's upon us all, at least us Westerners, as far as spring, you know, snow melting, time to start getting to the hills, things like that. And so we appreciate you being on with us today. And maybe just a little bit by background and introduction, tell us a little bit about yourself, how long you've been in this industry or whatnot, and, you know, things like that. And then we'll dive into your affiliation with Stealth Cam, your responsibilities, and then, you know, go through some products. Yeah, no problem.

I appreciate you guys having me be a part of the podcast, and we appreciate everything that you guys do for Stealth Cam. And as far as my affiliation with them and going back to your question about when I started in the industry, it would have been, I think, 2011 is when I really kind of dove into it. And I actually started a – I live in Iowa. And myself and a few of my buddies, we started a digital hunting show. And that was back in – I mean, that's been 10 years ago now. And that was back when, you know, really it was kind of the forefront of that era. You know, like Bill Wienke, who lives a few miles from me, not too far away, he started Midwest Whitetail. And that was like the first show you could watch on the internet. And then a few of my friends, we started a show called Trophy Pursuit. And I actually sold that to Muddy Outdoors. Oh, I think it was like 2014 or so.

And when I sold it to them, I went on board full-time to continue that show under the Muddy umbrella and then to work in their marketing department. And since then, we've kind of went away from that show. But I continued to work for Muddy Outdoors. And it was Muddy Big Game and Hawk Tree Stands. So I'd worked for them. And then what would have been just over a year ago, Mainstream Holdings, which was those three brands, Muddy Hawk and Big Game, they sold to GSM Outdoors. And GSM, at this point now, is one of the largest companies in the outdoor industry as far as the brands that are under the GSM Outdoors umbrella. So that's how I became affiliated with Stealth Cam because Stealth Cam has been one of their staples and one of their legacy brands. So I came on board through that purchase. And when they purchased Mainstream, I continued the same marketing role.

It's just with a lot more brands now. So that's kind of a very quick synopsis of that. Well, that's awesome. And being based out of Iowa, you're probably, you know, getting to utilize all the cameras pretty heavily. You're probably still hunting. You know, you can't take the hunt out of a guy. Even though you're, you know, not involved maybe in the digital show as much or whatnot, you're probably still hunting big old whitetails back there in your home state. Oh, yeah. Yep. It's been a passion of mine since I was a kid. So I remember back in the day, the first trail camera I had, I had to have been, oh, man, I'm 33 now. And I bet it was when I was 12 or 13. It was back when you had the, you know, the 35 millimeter rolls that you'd put in a camera. And I think, I can't remember what the camera was. I think it was like a trail timer or a trail pro or I can't remember the exact name.

But I still remember as a kid putting a few of those out. I got them for Christmas. And then, you know, you'd go check it and it'd have 24 or 36 photos and you'd run it to one hour photo. That's right. Oh, man. I'd stand, I'd take it there and, you know, my mom would drop me off and I'd, I'd sit there and wait. And so, yeah, cameras have came a long way since then. But, yeah, it's been fun living here. I live in a, in a paradise for whitetails and, and turkey hunting. We don't have like the big, the big mule deer and stuff like you guys have. But, uh, as far as Midwest, it's, it's really, it's really good hunting here. Yeah. Well, we go back to those days to clear back to the 35 millimeter, 36 exposure, running them to one hour photo season D, D and C batteries. Yeah. And then we moved up to compact flashcards. Those giant freaking, geez. Good. I remember those. Yeah.

That was, that was it for a while. We thought life couldn't get better. Right. And then you started to get the first SD cards and like, ah, and then you're trying to remember which, when you're going to swap out cards, oh, does this have a CF or an SD card? What do I, ah, just making the transition. And you're sure as heck not going to give up the, the old faithfuls, you know? And so you're trying to, uh, it did. It's changed a lot and it's changed fast. Like I said, even the last six to eight, eight years has been, you know, in the trail cam industry is, is been basically reborn. It feels like it's like not even this, not even close to the same. No. They actually work, Chris. They actually work. Yeah. And you know, the crazy thing is we say that right now and then just think what 10 more years will bring to it. Oh yeah.

We'll be running satellite imagery and sitting at home and well, I don't know if you can get us to sit at home. But anyway, we'll be running truck cams from the cab of the truck for sure. Um, there's no doubt of it. All right. So, uh, you're the main marketing manager. I mean, is that, are you the marketing manager for say GSM as a whole or the stealth cam portion of GSM or? Yeah. So it'd be GSM as a whole and all of the, all the brands underneath that umbrella, which I believe up top of my head, I'm not exactly sure in the number, but it's around 18 to 20 different brands. I was going to say that you guys have products like crazy, all kinds of products. Yeah. It's a lot of work. It's, it's, it's never, never ending. It's very busy. Um, but it's good. It makes the days go by quick.

And, um, it was a, it was quite a transition from, from before it was a focus on muddy, big game and Hawk, you know, and Hawk was at the very end. And, um, because Hawk, we, we actually purchased Hawk. Um, not, not even, I mean, it was less than a year before GSM acquired mainstream. So the main focus when I first started was muddy and big game. Um, and now it's transitioned into what it is. And it is a, it's definitely a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun. And our marketing department, we have, uh, five full-time employees that are within our department here. So all good people that, uh, really what, what's nice about it is all of them enjoy the outdoors and they all hunt. So they understand the products. They understand, you know, what, what the consumer is wanting and needing and how to relay the message of those products to the consumer.

So that's what I really enjoy about the job is the team I work with. They're really good people. That's awesome. Tell us a little bit about, before we get started, as far as the, in relation to the StealthCam line and China and coronavirus, uh, is there any effects that you're seeing yet? It sounded to me like I was talking to Taylor over there. And of course we're dealing in StealthCam and selling your cameras, uh, pretty much daily. Uh, anyway, just wondering how that's going to affect, or is there any effect as far as in relation to the supply, the supply that you're getting? Like, are you, and from sounds of it, everything's still coming in, like everything's fine. And you guys are, you know, um, fairly stocked. Yeah. Or inventory was already well enough off. You're still, we're still in a good shape. Yeah. Yeah.

From a, from a timing perspective, it worked out, uh, you know, I mean, it's been horrible what this virus has done to our economy. Obviously, when you look at everybody that's, you know, there's a lot of people out of work and, and whatnot. Um, but from a timing perspective for us, I mean, China's China opened up and, um, our manufacturing facilities over there are working full steam ahead. So as far as, as far as the supply chain there, I mean, we're going to be fine. And one thing that we've realized through this whole process is that sportsmen, hunters, fishermen, uh, they, they, even though they may not be able to do some of the things that they typically wanted to do or do, um, now they, they have more time to go out there and enjoy the outdoors and get in the field.

So we're, we're seeing a lot more people right now that are out there buying hunting licenses, fishing licenses out there, you know, buying products to get out in the field and take their kids out and, or their neighbors or their buddies or whatever. And, uh, so everything on our end is, you know, we've been pretty fortunate. We, uh, everybody, everything's going good. And, um, as far as, as, you know, to answer your question, I mean, we're going to have the, the, the, the amount of product that we need and that we've forecasted. We'll have it all in stock and we'll be ready to rock and roll. So it's all good. Speaking about that models, that's good, good news. Just, uh, because like we said earlier in the start of the podcast, it's that time right now. So let's, let's maybe just talk of a broader approach, I guess, about, you know, why are there such variety of models?

What, what are the pros and cons? Obviously they vary based on your intended use or needs or things like that. But let's, let's talk about the spectrum of cameras. Obviously there's much difference in price points as well. Um, maybe that ties in a little bit to say what we would label more as an Eastern camera, white toe stuff versus maybe some of the Western cameras. Let's talk about, yeah, the variation in models and why, why you have that. Yeah. So, you know, when, when you're looking at, um, you're really any trail camera company or any company in general, um, for instance, an outdoor industry, one thing you want to be able to do is, is have a variety of different price points to fit, you know, to fit everybody's needs because not all of us want to go out there and spend $200 on a trail camera.

Uh, some guys, you know, maybe they, maybe they don't have the financial resources or they just aren't, you know, they're not looking for the HD photos or video. Maybe they just want to load up a farm with, you know, some cheaper cameras that have slower trigger speeds. And there's a variety of reasons why that may be. Um, so the biggest thing that we want to do as a trail cam manufacturer is have, you know, basically suffice all the needs of any consumer out there. And really when you're looking at price point on cameras, as the price point goes up, you're going to see some differences from the high end models to the low end models in your trigger speed. And your, uh, in your, um, the megapixels, um, the amount of features on the camera, uh, that that's just a variety of, of the options there.

And like, when I look at, for instance, like just what I'm talking about when I'm running cameras, you know, like there's when I'm running cameras on scrapes or mineral sites, or let's say a feeder. Well, then really you don't need a camera with a super fast trigger speed or a, or a flash range. It's going to reach out there to a hundred feet. You don't need that because that deer is going to come in and, you know, it's going to hit that. That's great. And it's, you don't need, you know, so you don't need it, but if it's going to be on a trail, well, then you're, you're, you're probably going to want something with a quicker trigger. So really the biggest things to look for when you're, you know, looking at which camera to purchase is to be thinking about the scenario, as far as where you're going to hang the camera at, uh, or where you're going to set the camera up at.

And then just, you know, your, your wants as a, what you're wanting from that camera. And then, and then, you know, we have so many different options. When you go to our website, you'll click on cameras and you'll see all the different series of cameras, everything from wireless down to, you know, a Q series camera, um, everything in between. And then as you click through those tabs, you'll be able to look at all the camera models. And it's very clear as to what we offer as far as megapixels trigger speed. Um, do they do video? What's the flash range? Those are the things to, uh, to, to look at. So we, uh, you know, we've dealt with these, you know, trail cams quite a bit and there's obviously, uh, Eastern versus Western type cameras and we don't have a lot of food plots out here and we're not, you know, we're looking, sometimes we're doing a trail, a real trail.

And so you want a fast trigger speed. Yeah. One, a couple of seconds. And yeah. And to crank out a, yeah. Three shot burst or a six shot burst or whatever. And so there are custom features like what you're talking about. And so it seems like for us, Western guys, like the 34s, the 45s, the 4Ks, those are fairly popular. The fusions, which are the cell phone cameras, those will be popular. And then Adam, we did order some of these little, you know, cost effective cameras, the, the XS 16s, trailhawks, things like that. And so, you know, we've got some of those that are a great price point, but still, still a great camera. Um, but there are like, it seems like there are Eastern cameras versus Western cameras. We're dealing with, we want, we want a hundred yards if we could get a flash to go that far. Yeah. You know, of course it's not.

And a lot of night, a lot of night shots, whether it be on water things, a lot of nocturnal, uh, big deer, you know, pictures, you know, out here where they're just pressured enough. They don't water except for after dark and you know, things like that. So great. Yeah. Great illumination at night is a big deal, which when you guys, not you guys, the industry goes to infrared and whatnot. Of course, you know, the bright white flash always gave plenty of light, but you know, once we went to infrared and, and, uh, you know, black cameras, basically, then it got tougher and tougher to have great night shots. Yeah. And, you know, that's one thing that I, as we discussed earlier, um, you know, you and I, and there's so many people out there that have started with the cameras back in the day that were a hundred percent flash.

And then, and then we had this big infrared craze and that, that was all, you know, honestly, what, what it boils down to is what the consumer wants and desires. And you've got to sell to the consumer because if you don't do that, then you're going to, you're going to bring a lot of cameras to market that are just going to sit there on shelves. But then number one, or then, then, I mean, the, honestly, the first thing is that the buyers won't, won't purchase them from you. So you get the big retail stores and those buyers from the stores that are there, they understand what's selling off their shelves. So that's what they're going to order for the next year. And there was a big marketing push and I couldn't tell you when it was, but, um, there was obviously a big push at some point when someone came out with, with an infrared camera that basically told everybody.

As far as consumers that, Hey, like this infrared, it doesn't spook game at, you know, and, and it's whatever the other sales points were on that. And, and everybody went away from flash cameras. Now, personally, I, I love flash cameras and I know that we're going to bring a, you know, we're going to bring a flash camera to market in the near future. And I'm excited for it because here in Iowa, and I don't know about you guys, but the game here, like they, they're not worried about the flash. It's, it's not a big deal. Um, as far as spooking game here where I'm at now, I'm not going to say maybe, I don't know. I'm talking about just the deer I'm hunting and the herds I'm hunting and, and, uh, whatnot. But you're right. Those flash cameras, the, the clarity was awesome on them.

And you could reach out there and see it, you know, see whatever game was walking in front of it at a pretty good distance. So, um, once again, though, it kind of boils down to what's going to sell. And, and if you, uh, if you want to just, you know, what it boils down to, it's what, what the consumers wanting to purchase. So, well, I think hunters, hunters are just, they're crazy for new technology and fads and change. And, and the best thing that goes here in the West. I mean, we, we get bows, we get new bows every year. You know what I mean? Like there's just, so if there's new technology, infrared, ah, seems like that's something we should be doing. We should get, you don't want to be left behind, but I didn't notice the flashes.

We got lots of great game on, on flash cams and the, and the, and the, and the, when the infrared came out, it felt like to me that they could still see the infrared. Yeah. They knew something wasn't quite right. It wasn't quite right. There's a couple of different models of infrared. You know, you can have an infrared, but then you can have a no glow camera. And we offer both infrared is going to, is going to glow red. Um, and that, that no glow will have no, there, there will be no way of seeing it. So, um, there's different, definitely options there. So what can animals see? Can they see the, a little bit of no glow? Can they see the infrared? What can they see? Man, I don't know. You're asking the wrong guy. I don't know. I don't know. All right. All right. Well, anyway, they're, they're both, they both work. I like the, the, the no glow because hunters can't see it.

You know, at least the infrared, you can see this red, even hunters can see it. And we have problems with theft. Okay. Are you serious? Everything gets stolen out here. When we deal with public land. Well, that's the thing. You put a white flash, you put 20 white flash cameras on a water hole. What's that going to look like from outer space? You're going to have something. Oh, it's key in on it. If you have white flashes, pop up at night on the strip. Government's going to come look at it. I mean, I, I think during those situations, if it was just your camera, you may not have a problem. It's the other 20. And we have that out here. I'm Chris. You guys, you guys are dealing with places, you know, and, and some people you need to, especially on a, you don't have a two by two watering drink or some places you've got a pond that's 30 yards across.

So you've got a crisscross, even your own setups. You're putting four out yourself. Yeah. One pond or five or whatever. And, uh, are there a lot of other people putting cameras up on the same pond then? Oh, putting them on your own. You, we, you, we pound a T post and I got more cameras underneath my cameras on this, on my T post. So when I go grab the T post and be done with it for the year, I gotta, I leave it for them. So, cause, but really, I mean, we'll send you some, we'll send you some pictures sometime, Chris, of, uh, public land trail cameraing one-on-one and just the 20 to 30 cameras surrounding one spot. It's legit. So we need boxes, the bear boxes, the, and it's not for bears. It's for people, you know? You know why I've heard that from, I mean, you're not the first time. First person to tell me that. Yeah. Well, I can't believe it. Have you ever had a camera stolen?

I've had, I've had, uh, I mean, it's been a long time. I couldn't even tell you the last time it was maybe, maybe 10 years ago. Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah. Come on. Well, that's the problem we have here. And so then it comes being price. Price is a, we want the best, but we also need it to be affordable because it's probably not going to be ours forever. They're a hundred dollar bills walking away from you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my goodness. See, I wouldn't, I would not be able to deal with that. You guys, you guys are, uh, you guys, you guys have a, you know, we lose 20, 30 cameras. I don't know what I would do. We lose 20. What do you do? You can't do anything about it. We lose 20 or 30 cameras a year. How about that? I, I, oh my goodness. I would almost like try to set up like a camera where I could like set it up high. That's happening. That's happening.

Trust that there's cameras set on your own cameras. Yes. And then cameras on the roads coming in and out and license plates coming and going. So you can tell, you can tell it's a science. Somebody has an issue with a camera on this date, this time, then you've got the road covered. So, you know, who came and who went. It's a, it's kind of crazy. And then that brings up another point about these, uh, the locking codes, you know, of course, when you, you know, you got the locking code and if you, you know, if you put your code in, it's a four digit pin number, right? Four or five, four, I believe. Anyway, and you can lock it and then it's not usable. And so somebody steals it. They can unlock it to use it. So that's a big deterrent. We, us Westerners, that's a much bigger deal than, you know, a lot of people up back East probably don't even program it.

They can be used without it, but out here it's a deterrent, especially on, I mean, I'm sure all the mid, mid, uh, uh, lower mid, mid range and up cameras. I know haven't used all the lower range. So I can't speak for every trail cam, uh, stealth cam model, whether they have that, but I know everyone we've ever used the G series and up, it seems like have those locking codes, right? Yes, they do. Basically G series and up will have that locking code on there. Just don't forget your coat. Yeah. Yeah. You can't fix it. Yeah. If you forget your coat. No. So, and then, and, but the, you know, the value isn't the, isn't the camera itself. It's with the, all the information on the card and they, of course they get the card. So, and it's kind of a, kind of a tough deal. But when you're dealing with, uh, all these different, um, components, trigger speeds,

megapixels, do they really, does it really, uh, do those components, are they price? I mean, do they cost you guys more? Like when I want a fast trigger speed, I mean that from China, that those components are expensive, more expensive than say, you know, a slower trigger speed. I don't even know what makes trigger speed. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, it's no different than buying a computer, right? So you're buying a computer and you can buy a laptop at Walmart for X amount of dollars. And then you could, you know, buy one at Best Buy, a high end one. That's a, you know, iMac, the latest and greatest that has X amount of terabyte or X amount of a hard drive and certain Ram and whatever, you know, all that costs more. So when it comes to like margin on our cameras, our highest dollar camera versus our lowest

dollar camera, I mean, we're still hitting the same margins on, it's just the guts of that camera. And, and when you want a faster trigger speed and you want, you know, a camera that's going to record in high definition video, 1080 HD video with audio, and you want a camera that's going to have a hundred foot flash range. Well, that's going to cost more than a camera that does less than that. So, um, to answer your question, yes, the, the, the, the, the more features you want in that camera and the higher end of those features, then, then it just costs more to, to produce it and manufacture it. Wow. Well, that's awesome. And how about the technology versus other manufacturers? Of course, you've got a trail camera industry out there. You're dealing with competing businesses, uh, just like anybody would, but just like with

vehicles, I mean, you know, you, you've got a lot of the same basic components. How does that vary from manufacturer to manufacturer? Um, you know, technologies, things like that. Cause I, I know stealth cams come a long ways and basically considered to be, you know, one of the top, you know, leaders in the industry and what makes, what makes you guys that? So, yeah. So stealth cam has definitely came a long ways from where it began and, uh, it is a very competitive market. And if you, if you, if you lay off the gas at all, you're going to be left behind. Um, what, what we have as a benefit to us is GSM actually purchased, um, we purchased a company called, called Duco. And that's a, it's a group of engineers that is an engineering firm that, that we purchased. So we have a hand, I mean, it's, I think there's 20, don't quote me, but I think there might

be like around 20 of them down there and they're in Vegas. Okay. And we have these guys constantly, constantly, you know, we're giving them ideas and they're thinking of ideas, but what's great about it is if you guys get ahold of me, or if any other guy gets ahold of me, it's a consumer or myself or our team. We're like, Hey, we want to do this with a camera or Hey, what about doing this? Or even just how do we make this model better? How do we get higher megapixels? How do we get this trigger speed quicker? We have our own team that is fully a hundred percent developing that technology. And there's other trail camera manufacturers out there that are not doing that. They're going to China and they're just saying, Hey, this guy made this camera. How do we, you know, can we make one close to it? How do we do this?

We're out there trying to be on the forefront of technology and trying to be innovators. And that's, what's really cool about, about GSM and about what we're doing is we have, you know, we have a bunch of engineers in house that are constantly working on stuff. Well, just tell them this. We want to be able to take 30,000 pictures on the highest setting, have a year battery life and 150 foot flash. There you go. I mean, that's just simple. Just relay that. Tell them that's what we want. Lockable. Without having to have a Honda thousand watt generator running in the brush. And lenses on both sides. Lenses on both sides of the camera. So we could run. Hey, you. Okay. Here's the deal. I want, we want to, we want to profit share on this, Chris. So we're going to do lenses on both sides of the camera. You can set it up and it runs both sides of the pond with one camera. Takes pictures.

Takes pictures. You put it like in the middle of the pond? So you put it in the middle of the pond and you're taking pictures left and right. I'm telling you. 30 yards of pond bank on either side of it. So yeah. Money. You could run, you could run half the cameras, but the camera would cost more. So Chris, you'd still get your money and your wage would be fine. Run the math though. I wonder how that would. Yeah. That's an interesting concept. Come on. Bronson. You know what? What about a trail? You put it on a trail. That's probably something that we'll see. You put it on a trail and you get the trail coming and going. But you get it coming and going. So there's three shot burst here, three shot burst here. Yeah. It's just a double camera system. Camera's a little fatter. It's got a little more componentry. How many people need? I mean, I. Oh, everybody needs that.

That's a whole new market. I think of like an aisle where I'm like, oh, I'm going to point it at the scrape. That's a whole new market. Yeah. And it is not. I would say 25 to 30% of our place. I'm just using thinking in my head. Sometimes we have a two foot drinker. Sometimes we have a two foot drinker. That's all you care about. But then you have trails. You have ponds. You have. You want. You want cameras to take. We'll set up a T post, Chris. We'll set up a T post. We run sometimes four cameras on it. Shooting four different ways. Or sometimes. Every time. Nearly every time with a T post. You run on both sides. Both sides. I'll tell you what. I will pass that on when we get up. Well, and you better hurry because this is going to be a public podcast and you've got competitors and who knows. Now, all of a sudden, we're going to have some rinky dink company coming out with it first.

You're going to have to buy the patent off them and it's going to suck. Just saying. There you go. Okay. Hey, speaking of your battery issue, though. Yeah. We offer. You know, we just came out with. We've had solar packs for them before, but like we just came out with a lithium battery solar pack. Okay. It is awesome, man. That retails. And don't. I mean, it's right around. It's going to retail between 40 and 50 bucks. Oh, man. You know where you purchase it. But, dude, you can put that on any camera. I mean, you can attach it to any of our cameras. And then literally, you don't have to worry about your camera dying. It's just got to be lockable. Remember, we live out here in the thieving western. That just sucks, man. There's that many people that are stealing stuff out there. Oh, yeah. Jeez. You left a $100 bill on a tree. You're not worried about getting caught or what?

You're leaving a $100 bill or $200 bill on a tree. Or it's a recline. Yeah. And it's even got to the point even, you know, we love the ability to, that they, hey, that camera's going to have to get thrown in the trash if we, because of our lock code in there that they're not going to be able to get into. But they at least got the last two, three, four weeks, six, whatever weeks of pitchers off your card, you know, and gone forever. So, yeah, it's just the reality of the west. It's not going to go away. It's just people. It's public land, yes. But, and, you know, some people view it as, hey, you leave something on public land, it's left. I don't know. There's ethics involved. But some people don't adhere to things like that. So, it's just the cost of doing your run cameras for fun. It's a great hobby. It's a great adds to the sport.

You know, whether you're doing it for fun, whether you actually got a tag you're trying to make the most of, it's just something we love to do. It's, you know, it's like trapping in the wintertime. You got the anticipation every time you're walking up to one of your sets, what do I got? Do I have something here? And what's on that card? Can't wait to get it to a card viewer, things like that. Speaking of that, are there, what are some solutions for checking photos in the field? I know, you know, card readers, people, you know, it's not practical for us to always carry laptops out with us, you know, in our backpacks. But, you know, we carry our point and shoot cameras. Those have limitations just because of the, sometimes you got. Compatibility. Tens of thousands of pictures in there too. And you can't put them in there and have your camera start processing them fast enough.

But what are some solutions you guys have for that, for in the field card readers and things? Yeah, that's a good question. We've got a handful of products that, you know, would be a good solution to that. We've got everything from a small card reader that you can plug into your Android or your iPhone. So you can plug that into your charging port and then put the card in when you get to your camera. So, I mean, this, this little, it's so small. I mean, it fits in your pocket and then you get to your camera, you pop that in your, in your phone and you put the card in and you can sit there and view your photos. You can save your photos. You can delete them. You can do that from there. If you want something a little bit with a, with a little bit of a bigger viewing screen, we do offer, you know, handheld card readers where there are units that you can carry with

you and then pop that SD card in and read them that way too. So we we've been, we've been selling these for quite a few years and we've really refined the science behind those. And they do, they do really well for us and they're pretty popular. So those are a couple of items I would definitely look into if you're interested in and, and viewing them from, from something other than a computer. You know, we do like the video capabilities on some of these too. When they come in, the deer comes in to drink. It's nice when you get every angle on it and, and totally know what that deer is. And I've even, the audio is unbelievable. I got a deer drinking and it's like slurping up the water. It's just, and again, doesn't really matter. Doesn't tell us how big he is, but it's freaking cool. Tell us a little bit about these video capabilities.

That was back in the day on just a G34 pro set on video mode. Now we've got 4k. Now we're at 4k max. Tell us about that a little bit. The 4k, you know, one of the problems again, and I'm going to let you speak on it, but one of the problems we have is we get birds like all day long and you get a 4k camera that fills up a card on something dumb, uh, you know, you know, with, with 4k and with the higher file sizes, you're, you're also dealing with maxing out, uh, you know, SD cards fairly batteries. Yeah. Maybe just talk to us about how far the video capabilities have come, the 4k versus 4k max. And then what that means as far as card, card capacities. Yeah, for sure. So number one, DS 4k and the DS 4k max, when it comes to a non sailor trail camera, I would put those two cameras up against any camera on the market.

Now they are a higher price point camera, but like anything, you get what you pay for. And the, the cam, those DS 4k and DS 4k max, I would challenge anybody to, to view video off of those and compare it to the most expensive trail camera you can find in the market. And I'm telling you, the video is unreal. And the audio is amazing. It's literally like someone was sitting there in videotaping, you know, for instance, here in Iowa, that, that big buck walking down that trail or rubbing, rubbing a tree. And, and you hear the grunts, you hear the, you can hear the breathing, you know, I actually use them as secondary angles in my decoy sets for turkey hunting. And it's, it is unreal how clear the video is. And, you know, as you mentioned, you know, it's, it's 4k and it is a, you know, high definition you got the audio and, uh, it's, it's amazing.

So really looking at the DS 4k, what we did from, from that camera to the new model, which is DS 4k max is we up the megapixels. But as you mentioned, I mean, the trigger speed is the trigger on that camera so quick. And it's such a high tech camera that, you know, a blue jay flies by and, and whatnot. And it's, it's filming that or taking photos of it. Um, which I guess I never really had too many issues with it. Um, as far as sensitive sensitivity of the trigger speed, it's just picking up whatever's moving. Right. So it's not, it's not doing something that, that it shouldn't be doing. It's doing what we wanted it to do. But the, the, one of the things we did this year is we upped the megapixels and then we also upped the, um, the amount of gigabytes of an SD card that you can put in that camera. So you can put up to, I believe a 512 gigabyte card in the new cameras.

So, I mean, that's going to last you obviously forever. If you put that card in the camera and then hook it, the battery life's amazing. Anyway, I'm, you're going to get about 10,000 photos at minimum off those cameras. Um, but then if you, if you hook it up to a solar pack, now you're going to, you know, you're going to have an infinite amount of battery life. Just a matter of what the, yeah. Cards are just up to the SD card. Yeah. And how long you want to leave it there. But dude, those cameras are, they're out of this world. They're amazing. I would recommend them to anybody. So max, when we went to like the 45 max last year, it was unbelievable. We did a test in my backyard, lined up all the different models. I realized I was missing deer with some of the cheap models. I mean, there was just no bones about it. No question.

So what are this 4k max is maxed based on, does that add up, you know, tighter trigger speeds and things like that? Or is it actually the video quality or is 4k, 4k? I, I, I don't think you're going to notice anything different when it comes to the video quality. It's still going to be 4k video. It's going to be, you know, great audio with it. Have you, so you, have you ran the DS 4ks before then? We haven't just because, you know, the photos mean everything to us. And then the regular video mode, just, we can, we can judge the deer. I think when we're using it, like on our YouTube, I know Chris would like us to, you know, it's good for like YouTube videos and some of the things that we've got going that way. And so we're going to move in that direction. But, you know, as far as basically finding deer to harvest them or to use it as a pre-scouting

tool, you know, we haven't felt like we needed it, but I think with the quality of the YouTube and the consumers requiring with everybody else, you know, we're going to have to maybe use a few on select areas. Yeah. No, we have big animals hitting. Yeah. And it's got to be an area that doesn't have a lot of ancillary, like a lot of the times if we use them in, in deserty environments and everything's coming there, small game, birds, bats at night, it's not real practical. I set my, just the 45 max on video on, on some desert sheep water. So yeah, that'd be great. Get some video. It filled up my 128 card in like two days. Yeah. You're definitely because you've got way too many animals coming in and it doesn't matter. And you don't want to miss an awesome piece of video. You can't set it for every five minutes or three minutes or whatever.

So you set it for every minute and it's taking 10 seconds of video every minute. It's just, it's just maxes it out versus a, a meadow on a mountain trying to get a bull coming into a wallow. All right. You're going to probably have a lot of, a lot more downtime in situations like that to where it would make more practical ability to leave that on video mode. But a lot of where we've used them, I, I, the, the, the 4k is not probably the best. I don't need high def, the highest def video. Cause I can't run it. Cause I can't keep a card, you know, I can't keep it from filling up too fast. Yeah. You're, you're, you're correct on that. And obviously the videos do take more space and that's why on this DS 4k max, we went to the capability of the camera to accept a 512 gig card. So, you know, a lot of guys are out there and they're using 32 gig cards or eight gig cards or whatever.

And it's like, man, I can't, I just, it won't last. It's not going to be out. It's the cards going to fill up way quicker. You're going to have to make a little bit of an investment on Wazoo cards. You know, you are going to get a little bit of investment, but I will tell you that from, from like our perspective, I was the, I was the same way as far as like, man, I just want a photo. I just need a photo. And then it got to a point where I'm like, I started running, like running them on a video and it is addicting. It is crazy, man. Like you sit there and you pop it in your computer or whatever you're going to read it off of. And seeing that animal, like, and watching the way it reacts to, you know, other deer in the area and just hearing the audio, it really is addicting. And it's really cool. And like you guys said, for what you're doing, it's a great thing to add to, you know, the

whole story of what you're trying to produce. Just from the general public, it's so cool to be able to pop that video in, save it to your phone. And, and, and you just, you get so much more out of it. I couldn't tell you how many times this year. And I'll, I kid you not. I put a DS4K max and we had a, it was like, it was like a cove of a cornfield that came down to a bigger Oak Ridge. And I put that camera, the corn didn't get picked till mid-December. It was way late this year, but I put that camera like angling down the row between the row and the hardwood ridge. And all the deer were, were, were running that. And I couldn't tell you how many times, um, that I had a doe come running by or, you know, cruising through and on the video, I had it on a 20 second video. And then that buck was trailing her behind or, you know, like, whereas before it would get the doe, but not the bucks. Yes.

Yes. And it blew my mind. I'm like, how much stuff did I miss? I mean, I'm with you guys. So like the majority of my cameras, I run them on photo, but this year running as many as I did on, on video. And then here's another downfall to take longer to go through. Well, that's just it. We're clipping on, we're, we're touching each video clip in the, in the, I've got cards that, that, that camera I just talked about. I haven't gone through it. Cause I, I don't remember how many thousand at that 10 second clips I have. And I'm like, I know most of them are using land. I haven't set down. I can't get myself to finish it. And so, but what you could do is run a 4k, 4k max. And then also on the same water run the point and shoot camera and then know the time and date that it came in and then go find the video clip that matches that time and date. If you want to do that.

There's just a few things that Westerners have issues with wondering, you know, I've heard a little bit of something, but is there, is there a way to check? Like, say I have 10,000 photos, which is regular and I don't want to see all the birds and everything. I don't have 14 days to go through a hundred cards that have 10,000 photos each. Right. Cause we're running hundreds of cameras at times, a face recognition. They make apps or something that face recognition, like a Facebook face recognition, where we could, it could say, here's all your deer that hit the water. Here's all the elk that hit the water. Here's now birds are gleaned off to the side and we don't have to look at those. I mean, are you, is there such, I mean, you being in the industry, is there good technology now with that allow an app to sift your card for you? So you don't have to deal with that. Yeah.

There I'm, I'm starting to see that. I'm starting to see that now. And actually we're, we've been working on our, you know, the last year pretty hard and we've been testing it and like our new fusion cell cams that we have coming out. That's our fusion app and you can download, um, you can actually add any stealth cam. It's a, you can add the stealth cam fusion cameras, wireless cameras to that app. And you can also, we've got a muddy wireless camera that's coming out and you can add that to the app as well, but it does have that software capabilities if you choose to purchase it. Wow. Okay. And what it will do. So what we've been doing is like sending all of our engineers who are developing and who are developing this app, we've been sending them tens of thousands of photos of everything from birds to coyotes, to wolves, to teaching it, teaching it what these. Yes.

So they've been constantly just jamming these photos through this and training, you know, and basically training the app to be able to, to decipher those images for you. And it's, it, it were, you know, those cameras are going to be released in the next. Six weeks. Well, we've got, yeah. And we've got a bunch of those on order. Yeah. Being a cell phone camera. I got a six. So here in the West, again, back to our comments on the video modes, we are on public land. People look at the background. You, you throw a tree with a weird knot in the background on it and people know where you're at. I mean, it's just, and so back where you guys are on a food plot, it's all private. You'd be trespassing anyway. And they couldn't find it. Cause every, everything looks the same back here in the West. I mean, you're very careful what pictures you throw up.

We even have John edit some photos at times and you know what I mean? And to, to not tell everybody where you're at with the new wireless, you know, fusion cell phone cameras. Now we may have locations attached to these photos, Bronson. I don't know. Do they, do they attach locations or anything like that being a cell phone type camera and all that, or that capability? So yeah, you, when you add the camera, you can geo tag it to the location. You set it. Um, leave your locations off. Don't load all your photos. Like the thing about Iowa where I'm at, I mean, we've got, it's like 99.3% or 4% private. Yeah. So there's literally no public. And here's the thing. There's benefits to that. And there's, there's downfalls to that because as far as like finding places to hunt, it can be really tough. I mean, it really can 20, 15 years ago, even 10 years ago, you could go hunt wherever you wanted.

As far as you just knock on a door, you're going to get permission 15 years ago, a hundred percent. So now, now it's to a point though, where you look at Iowa and you've got two thirds of Iowa, which is what I would call quote unquote on huntable, which what I mean by that is it's just not highly sought after land to hunt because it's all just wide open farm fields. So when you take Iowa, for example, and I'm sorry, I'm kind of going off topic here, but when you take Iowa, for example, and you look at the state as a whole and you say, okay, well, one third of it is what I would call quality hunting. And it's all, and it's mostly private. There is public. I mean, there's good public and there's not a lot of people. So you can, you can have some great success on public, but yeah, it's a, listen to you guys talk to me, man, it is a different world where you are.

It's a different world where, I mean, it's just, it's just crazy. The challenges that all of us face. I'm, I'm challenged with finding access and you guys have the access, but you're challenged with other people who are out there with the same, doing things at the same time. So it's definitely, definitely different dynamic. We enjoy, we enjoy the public land out here, but with that, it's public and geotagged photos get looked at. You know what I mean? I mean, people that have locations on all the time, people are scared to upload certain photos to Instagram or different things and I don't know. We're just, you know. No, is it that competitive where you're at right here? Oh, come on. Come on. You're dealing with, you're dealing with an expensive hobby, testosterone, greed. I mean, come on. Just a hundred percent. So like, I mean, you guys have a lot of public, right? I mean, yeah. Yeah.

Nevada, Utah. I mean, there's that many people that are hunting where you guys are like, oh, there's just that many hunters on the public that it's. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We got, we still have general season tags like here in Utah for deer and they'll give yeah, thousands of deer tags in certain units. I mean, that's a pretty decent size geographical range, but between archery and muzzleload and rifle seasons, that's not, you know, not even, but even on limited entry units, even over in Nevada. Nevada, I mean, you can take a unit with a hundred deer tags, but it's one of the better trophy units in the state and it is going to be hammered with, you know, the people that have tags or guides or outfitters or people that are trying to find the biggest and best in that unit. Yeah. It's, it's, and that transfers through Arizona, Southern Utah.

I mean, there are other places, some of the more mountain places. Yeah. I mean, for elk, it's super competitive as well. Well, guides that are running a lot of cameras are also, you know, they're out there putting a lot into scouting and different things, which translates into bookings and game animals to hunt. And what they're, yeah. Getting people to book in the first place based on how aggressive they've been in the past and their reputations, if you will, of scouting and knowing, having a pulse of what's in their units. So yeah. And it's all tied in. And if you've got a big game animal, you could, you could in theory, I hate to say it this way, but people market that animal to, you know, whatever, to another clientel or whatever. So, you know, people are scared or, you know, inhibited on, you know, throwing out photos

of particular animals out on the worldwide web, so to speak, versus you guys, you get 180 inch whitetail on camera, you could throw it up because nobody can hunt your property. And yeah. The only reason people wouldn't is just because they don't want a neighbor to know, you know? Right. Right. That's it. You've got about one person or two people to worry about. Yes. Your neighbors. Yep. Yes. And the way I look at that is, you know what? I can't control what that deer does. If he jumps across the fence and the neighbor shoots it, well, I can't control that anyway. But now, but now if your neighbor knows you've got that deer, he's going to blitz the border to know if and when that deer ever crosses onto him and try to figure it. And pretty soon it turns into a little bit of a competition and yeah, times that by 50 on public land.

It's just because it is truly public land and anybody can be there. Anybody can, you know, scout, hunt, help their friend, buddy, or guide out for the water. So it's just. People are paid to do it. They're paid to be in the hills. You make a living as an outfitter or guide or whatever. Just, you know, when you're out here, there's so much riding on it. The tags are hard to get. So the guys that get them end up buying or booking an outfitter and putting a lot into their equipment and everything. And that's why we're wanting 150 foot night shots and we're wanting, cause you know, they've got so much going into it that, you know, you want to get the most out of it. You don't want to miss a deer on a camera. That's why trigger speeds matter. The, all the internal components want the best of the best because, you know, these tags are say one every 10 or 20 years.

Do you draw a great tag or, you know, and then you've got a lot riding on it expense wise, expensive scouting if you did it on your own and then the expensive booking an outfitter. Um, or whatever. And the outfitters, they want top of the art, state of the art equipment. So anyway, kind of interesting with the geo tagging, the fusions, uh, we got some of those on order and, uh, excited to see what those, you know, bring to the, to the hunting community and whatnot. Um, how do what else, anything else exciting out there coming out from you guys? I know you're constantly working on new products and different things. Um, anything, honestly, I think I'm most excited about that. Fusion line of cell cams. Cell cams are, you know, fairly new technology and the general scheme of things and cell cams for, for most people, uh, they've been kind of a pain to set up and to get them, to get

them rolling. And that's what, that's what we wanted to eliminate. So when it comes to that fusion camera and you guys, uh, we'll see it when you get some in, they literally take the setup time and cut it in a 10th. I mean, I can have one out of the package. And once I already have my account set up on the app, you can simply scan the QR code of your camera, the new, you know, whatever. So, you know, the new fusion camera you get, you can scan it and boom, it's added to your account. Is it added to my cell phone? Can I add it to my cell phone account that my kids are on? I, we have six phones on my account, right? No, it's just a whole new, a whole new account, whole new billings set up. It's all new. It's all new. And everything's built. It's going to be built through your, through the stealth cam app and it comes with the SIM card.

So you're going to pick, okay, Verizon or AT&T or what cell phone provider is best for you. That's the camera you're going to order. And so what Verizon, a Verizon camera is always a Verizon camera and AT&T is always an AT&T camera. Yes. And really what you need to do is just look. Yeah. So what you, based on what reception is best in your area will be, will dictate which camera you purchase. And, and, and people are like, well, man, like I don't have a Verizon cell phone. So like, I can't really, well, that's not true because it's all through the app. So like the, the cameras have nothing to do with your cell phone plan at all. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's its own device. It's service based. It's own service. They have their own SIM card. It's already installed. It is as simple as literally grabbing the, you know, ordering the camera, download on

the app, adding your payment info into it. The first time you add that payment info in and then, and then every camera you get after that, you just scan it. Add to your account. Add it to it. Pick the service plan you want. So we've got a variety of different service plans ranging, ranging from as low as $4.99 a month. And $4.99 gives me one camera at X amount of data download. X amount of photos. Yes. And you can also, you can bundle cameras. You can, um, so you can, you can, if you're going to run four or five, six cameras and you want to bundle them, you can do it that way. It's really an all in general, you know, what it relates to is how you're going to utilize that camera. How many photos you think it's going to get a month. And then, um, you just make your decision based on that. You can, you can pay for it yearly or you can also do monthly, which is, which is, you

know, nice as well. Because if a guy wants to run a cell camera for only three months a year, because he doesn't need it the other nine months, um, then put it in sleep. Yeah. He can just, you can just, you can just turn it off and then you don't have to pay that month. You don't have to pay anymore. So a lot of you guys are like, man, I don't really want that, that extra service fee. I don't want to pay. I don't want to pay for that camera because it's more expensive. Well, at the end of the day, a lot of guys got to think of it this way. You're saving money because you're not driving out to the camera. You know, you're saving time and you're getting real time info. That's the biggest thing for me is like, how many times have we checked cameras that are the typical digital trail cameras and been like, you know, I let my cameras, I don't go

check my cameras unless I absolutely have to during the season. Like if I'm walking by a camera, I'll check it. Otherwise I don't want to go and pressure anything. So there's times I've went and checked a camera and been like, it's been out there for five weeks, six weeks. And I'm like, man, I wish I knew that 170 inch typical 10 was, was hitting the, you know, was moving in daylight four weeks ago. But now I know, but it's too late. Now, if I had a cell camera there, I would have that real time info. And I understand it's, you know, it depends on the state you're in and what's, what the legalities are. But here, you know, here in the majority of the country, you can use these cell cameras and they are such a valuable tool. If you have the ability to get the service in those areas, they are such a valuable tool to give you that real time info. And that, that is priceless to me. Yeah.

We've got states that are limiting the real time info and, or looking at limiting it. And so. Cutting them off sooner than the regular photo non-transmission cameras and stuff like that. Can you use a Fusion with, can you turn off the Verizon capability and use it as a normal camera with an SD card and it just like a normal camera if I, you know, or is the Fusion always to be used is going to have an open app. Transmission camera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to, it's going to have that. Okay. So either it's transmitting or it's, or it's not. It's not using it. So.

All right. Well, that's kind of exciting stuff. And then, so the face recognition would possibly come on this app too. So we got, let's say a 499 a month is the base and then you could add X amount of cameras. You can add X amount of downloads. You can add the face recognition. I mean, you just add it up until whatever, at whatever level you want to be at. Exactly. That's correct. Yep. You can just, you know, and you'll see it all on the app and on our website, but you can, you can choose through all those features and decide what budget you want for that particular month or in that camera and make the decision based on that. Well, I might need a lease option on this kind of stuff because out here we're going to download crazy amounts of video and photos and we don't want to be slowed down. So is there an unlimited couple hundred bucks a month buys all?

Yeah, we have unlimited options as well. And the pricing's all on the website and you know, you can do unlimited bundles, you can do unlimited monthly. So those prices will vary based on that option. But yeah, if, if you're a guy that's going to get a ton of photos, then that would definitely be the way to go to, to still continue to get those photos and then get the best bang for your buck. Could be addicting Bronson. We're going to have to use a 0% card on this stuff. Well, they're, they're so addicting. They're crazy addicting. My wife's going to be excited about this.

And you know, what's funny is like, you know how we've, we've just talked about how addicting 4k video with audio is. So now we're talking about how addicting cellular cameras and wireless cameras can be. And, and 10 years ago, we wouldn't have been talking about either one of those. So like we made that comment earlier. It's like, man, this, it's amazing what we can do now, but what's going to be amazing is what we can do in 10 more years and what we can do in 10 more years after that. And the technology that's behind all these cameras. And we're going to look back at this conversation that we just had and 10 years from now, we can look back at that and be like, Oh my goodness. Remember when we were excited about that? And, and that's, what's so cool about this trail camera industry is how fast it's progressing

and the competitive edge as a manufacturer trying to get the competitive edge. How do you make stuff better? How do you make it? How do you become a leader in the industry? And it's just fueling the fire to just, just continue to push that technology along. So it's, it's, it's going to be crazy. The next model is the Epic 45 max. It's going to have camera. It's going to have lenses on both sides, Bronson, and we'll let you use the name Epic. How about that? How about that? Huh? Chris? I'm going to email, I'm going to email those engineers right when we got the phone. I'm going to tell them your ideas and we're going to see what happens. Tag them on it. Have them listen to this podcast. I'm telling you it's going to happen. I feel bad we spewed it to the world, but it's out there. So you heard it first. So do something with it. We'll see what happens. Go and do good things.

You heard it first on the Epic Outdoors podcast. I love it. So anything else, Chris, you've gave us a lot of great new things. It is great just to add to what you just finished off on the, what it's going to be in three, five, eight, 10 years. It's, you know, the advancements and everything. It comes. And so appreciate companies like Stealth Cam being innovative, helping us as sportsman, hunters, you know, enthusiasts, junkies, whatever you want to call us when it comes to running trail cams. And anything else that we've left out that you feel like noteworthy that's either something you can announce and tell us about, or we've done a good job kind of hashing through it. So I think we've done a pretty good job of hashing through and discussing the topics that you guys brought up. And I think lastly, the biggest thing that I want to just relay to everybody out there

listening is that we appreciate everybody who stands behind our brand and all the customers that we've had throughout the years. And the reason we are producing and manufacturing and bringing to light the technology that we are is because of, at the end of the day, the consumer who works hard for every dollar that they've, that they've earned. So we, I guess I just can't express the appreciation there. And I also just want to say thanks to, to you guys for allowing me to have the opportunity to be on your podcast. I listened to it and it's a great podcast. You guys do an awesome job and just appreciate you guys. Let me be a representative of Stealth Cam and have a conversation with you. Well, we appreciate it, Chris. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Duncan, the marketing manager. We appreciate his time with GSM Outdoors. It's particular in relation to Stealth Cam. What a great podcast.

We appreciate you. All the new and exciting things. If anybody out there is interested in any products made by Stealth Cam, give us a call. We sell them here at Epic Outdoors. 435-263-0777. We appreciate it, Chris. Hope you have a great day and a great weekend. Thanks a lot. You too. As we've talked about earlier, we've got the Epic Outdoors optic lineup here. We sell a variety of different optics. Right now we're going to highlight the Zeiss Conquest 10x42s and the 15x56s. They're incredible glass. Some of the best 15s around. Very, very good. Got a pair myself. We love them. My kids abuse them. So anyway, give us a holler. We're not going to be beat on prices. We ordered in bulk. Just incredible pricing on them. Number here is 435-263-0777. Give us a holler no matter what you're looking for. But right now we do have a load of these Zeiss Conquest 10x42s and 15x56s in stock.

We also, on this podcast with Stealth Cam, we just want to reiterate, again, we are dealers of Stealth Cams. And we've got a bunch of the G45 NG Max cameras in. The no-glow, awesome cameras, 26 megapixels. We, Jason in his backyard, before we used these heavily last year, 2019, in the field, which we used hundreds of, we tested a lot of these in Jason's backyard for a week or two with this model, along with several others, just trying to go over trigger speed, the foot range, you know, the clarity on, you know, the distance at night and day and all that. We settled on these. We felt these are one of the best universal Western cameras that you can get right now, factoring in everything, you know, distance, glow, sensitivity, trigger speed, all that. So make a great deal on these. We've got them in stock. We've got lock boxes for them as well. Again, the G45 NG Max cameras by Stealth Cam.

Give us a call again and make a great deal. Get them out the door. It's that time, everybody. Trail Cam, so it's time to get them out.