EP 167: From Muzzleloaders to Cellular Trail Cameras.

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Chris Peterson. He's at the keyboard. We're down here in Southern Utah. It was cold, Bronson. People lost their gardens. Actually, they didn't lose them, but they were nervous. Did they? Depends on what part of town you were in. Yeah, that's right. It was a freak June storm. Many of the mountains got over a foot. Did you see that on the news? It's crazy. Northern Utah. Hailstorms the size of golf balls, which I know there's people across the U.S. saying golf balls. We don't even wake up unless it's softball size. But that's big hail for Utah. And it did a lot of shit. I had cars over there in San Juan County. Every window shattered. Come on. I didn't even hear that. It was on the news. They had a golf ball and hail. They were the size of golf ball. Come on.

Those are a lot of great trail camera vehicles because they're just dented. They're totally healthy vehicles. That's right. But they're just dented. They're perfect. A lot of air flows through them with no windows now, apparently, because every piece of glass was broke out on side by side with no cab. You know what I mean? Kind of crazy weather. We had been in a prematurely nice, warm, unusually dry spell for six weeks or two months, perhaps. And it didn't hit moisture everywhere. But where we did get it was pretty heavy in parts of Utah. Southwestern part of Utah, we didn't get much over here. But southeastern did good, fairly well, okay. And central and northern Utah got a lot. So we'll take it. And it dropped to, yeah. I think Friday was like the record high. Wasn't it like 100 degrees? 100 degrees one day. And then Monday or Tuesday, it set the record high-low for the same day.

Like June, whatever. It was June 5th and June 8th or whatever. Like a record early high first time it hit 100. And then the record high-low was like 50 degrees four days later. Who knows? Anyway. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Kind of crazy. But that's the times we live in, and we've been talking about it nonstop. This is Corona era 2020. Hashtag crazy. Hashtag crazy times. Lots of crazy hashtags. This year, come on. You can't. Come on. Bring on some baseball, basketball, the hunt, something. Something. Get stuff rolling. Corona-fested environments with lots of people having fun. Something. Good grief. By the way, speaking of having fun. Yeah. Fun weekend. We did have a good weekend. Yeah. We were up there, up in northern Utah. We attended the Red Rock Precision Shooting School, Long Range Shooting School. Chris, Jason, and I. It was awesome. Great company there.

Several clients that were there, too, that had booked some spots, that were grabbing their guns, maybe for the first time, or bringing their guns that they had been hunting with, and just wanted to use them in the field. In real life, you know, we did a bench day, and then we did a field day. Yeah. We even met old Kent Gutches, who killed that giant old mule deer there in Idaho. What a good dude. It's kind of fun to meet guys that are members, that have been writing stories in our publication and whatnot. So, anyway, great time. We shot our Red Rocks. I had to leave a little bit early. I had a kid. Anyway, graduating. We just had, we had some plans. So, anyway, I had to leave a day early. But what an awesome time. Knocked the heck out of some targets. Chris, he got his gun lined out, too. Huh? Long old process sometimes, right? Yeah.

Just takes a minute, but those guys know what they're doing. They got great equipment, and it was just a great excuse to make it happen. So, anyway, kind of got us fired up. I also picked up a long-range muzzleloader from a good dude. Yeah, that was a, I was dropping off taxidermy pieces and parts. We don't go to New York, Utah. No, we're Southern Utah boys, and when we go up there, we've got a laundry list, and we're crossing stuff off. It's, there's no browsing. We're strategic when we get up there with the masses. At least, you know, we weren't in the shooting school in the city, but we had to drive through it. So, yeah, I'm dropping off taxidermy, picking up things like that. Carter had 14 stops. He, you know, covered Central Utah, UNA Basin. You know, between taxidermy, friends, family, and muzzlers, modern muzzlers, what do you do, you know?

I have actually met a really good dude, Levi Reed. He's been, he's just, he's a, I don't know, gunsmith. I mean, he put brakes on my kids' rifles. Now he's converting the old Ultimate rifles that were awesome Wazoo rifles back in the day. Now he's converting them to even more amazing Wazoo rifles. I mean, dude, Bronson, our guns are shooting 300 grain bullets, 2,600 feet a second. Crazy. And accurately. So, anyway, we might give him a call here in a minute. Just see what he's up to. I don't know. See if he answers. Already? Cold call right now? Why not? See what old Levi's up to? Yeah. He's full-time gunsmithing. I don't know. I couldn't do it. Huh? No. Well, I'm not that guy, but he is. I wouldn't want a gun you built for me. No, you're right. Come on. Come on. No, it's just that a couple springs and parts might not go bad.

I mean, not that you're, you're, you're, you're, you're competent. I'm a perfectionist. You're competent. And clean. And you're able. And organized. But, but, Friday at 4, my luck, my gun would be on your desk at Friday at 430. You'd open up like, I'm just chucking together. Get it out. Get that out. No. Come on. There is, there is something to be said for sales and volume.

All right. Let's give him a call. Levi doesn't agree. He wants it perfect. Hold on. Let me give him a ring. See what he says. This isn't paid for. Come on. I hate that ringtone. I hate it. Hello. You've got to change that ringtone. That's terrible. Dude, I, I, you know, Mr. Parker gave me the same song and dance this morning. No pun intended. He did? He did? Oh, he's a man. He's a, you're killing me here. Oh, that ringtone's terrible. And I think you're carrying it out. So we have to listen to it just four or five seconds longer than we normally should have to. Absolutely. I wait until the last second to answer just because I know that's what's going to happen. Hey, Will, you're on the Epic Outdoors podcast. I got Adam Bronson here. What are you up to? I'm just building guns, buddy. Trying to, trying to get caught up. Are you? What, what are you working on?

What are you, I gotta, I gotta set the record straight. This is Adam. Carter was telling me the other day, he's hitting crap at 500 plus with a peep sight, open sight on that thing. And I don't, I need you to verify. I think you were there. What do you mean? He did it. He's because, he's the reason I did it. Oh, he can build a gun capable of it. But then my question was, did it happen? Did it happen? Levi. No, no, that's legit. That's legit. Telling you, dude. I can't say no. I mean, anybody can hit a mountainside at 500 yards. Come on, come on, come on. If we're hunting. He hammered, he hammered about a two MOA size rocket, 500 yards. It's 570 yards to be exact. Wow. Wow. Wow. I was expecting a peep sight. I was expecting to say, well, yeah, if he's hunting elephants, he'll be in good shape.

Well, the interesting thing, Levi, I was just telling him, it's not like it's an adjustable peep either. This is, it's not like we're dialing the peep. This thing's shooting 2,600 feet a second. It's not dropping as much as a guy might think. No, no, not only that, you're shooting a higher BC bullet too. Yeah. You know, so that helps a lot, especially just traversing across them canyons. I mean, you saw the wind blowing that day. The fact that we was able to, he was able to hold, you know, on that side of the target at that distance, peep sight or not, if you'd have tried that with the standard 50 cal with a lot less rate of twist RPM in that bullet, you'd have been all over, bud. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a different animal than what most folks are thinking about. Well, it's crazy. And then, I don't know, it's hard for me to explain because I'm not a gunsmith.

You came out with your own muzzle brake, patented it out. Tell me just a little bit about it. Why is it, why is it awesome? Why did that, I mean, obviously muzzle brakes reduce recoil. Right, right. There's more to that brake than just reduced recoil. Well, you know, I started building, I started building my own stuff because I have OCD.

And there's just certain parts I didn't like about certain brakes. And so, it's like, why not build your own? And then the muzzle loader thing came along. I always wanted to see what I was shooting at after I pulled the trigger. And the brake design, similar to what you're shooting now, that was the only intent behind it was be able to pull the trigger, see what I was shooting at. And then it kind of evolved with these magnum muzzle loaders, these magnum rifles. When you're talking, you know, 4,500 to 5,000 foot pounds with a muzzle, you need some recoil reduction. It also maintained the integrity of being able to see where you're shooting at. And also, if you look real close to my muzzle brake, I hate concussion and I hate noise. And so, I designed them to wear that first port I call the shield port. It keeps everything away from the shooter as much as possible.

The guy next to you is going to be in big trouble. So, I always recommend your video guys over your shoulder, not next to you. No wonder Carter has been asking me to come out and watch him shoot that gun. Now, it's all coming clear. It's all coming together. Yeah, come shoot next to him a spot for me. Bronson right here. You don't even need earmuffs with this gun, I'm told. Well, right. But what, you asked about that peep sight, you know, and like I said, the peep sight system that's involved, it's a self-timing brake that is on that. And I always hated drilling holes in barrels, especially when you're counting on a 648 or an 840 screw and a little bit of glue to hold the sight ramp on. So, unless you guys are a lot more handy than I am, a lot more careful than I am, I'm kind of rough on stuff. And so, that muzzle brake, he's got on there. I mean, there are no screws involved.

And that was the biggest reason for designing that brake was, you know, to be able to take that brake on and off, switch it out for a scope gun, and then be able to put it back on, time it back up, and, you know, use your peep sights with them. Yeah, so he's given me, so I've got two brakes, one has this, you know, sight on the end, and then the other one is made for scope, so the sight's not in my way, you know, with the scope. So, anyway, yeah, so it came, he's got me set up for, you know, the brakes, everything. I mean, you're even shooting a CCI 250, you know, 250 primer out of that thing. Right, right. Kind of got your own setup, you know, with the ignition system, changed out the ignition system, the barrel. You're even developing your own action. I mean, geez, crazy. Yeah, buddy, I'm pretty excited about that last part.

2021 is going to be, no pun intended, but epic for my little shop. Well, we're just talking about 2020 with everything that's been, the first six months of 2020 can be forgotten, and nobody's going to be bothered. Other than I got a Wazoo muzzleloader out of it. Okay, yeah, but other than that. So, tell me, I got a couple of questions, but, you know, you put a brake on the end of my kids' gun, the 300 Ultras. Is that where you started? Did you start with rifles? I didn't even know. I thought you were just the muzzleloader guy. I didn't even know you were everything. Well, I was, I was, you know. I shot a friend of mine. Actually, it was a giant mule deer. I started all this stuff. I could never get close enough to him. And no matter how hard I tried, I saw him for two years in a row. And when you see a 200-plus inch deer on general unit, and you can't make a play on him,

and then it's like I won't take a bad shot because I don't have enough gun to reach him. And so, I kind of moved on to the muzzle brake thing to where it's like, well, I shot what was out there, and I didn't like it. I didn't like the concussion. I didn't like the noise. I didn't like the radial because you're on the ground shooting, and you blow dust everywhere. And so, it just turned into something that there's certain aspects of this that I like. There's certain aspects of that one I like. So, you kind of take, pick and choose what you want to do, and then you modify it. And this is where we're at now. I mean, we're close to eight years into designing muzzle brakes and just evolving the whole time. Well, it's crazy. It's amazing how, you know, with time, things can evolve and whatnot, and it does take a little time. It takes a little money. Of course, you're dedicated.

I mean, it's just, yeah. So, tell me a little bit about shooting a muzzle at 2,000 yards.

That is a beast. I mean, what kind of caliber? How did you build it? What's the caliber? I don't even know what the caliber is. Well, it is a .40 caliber, a .40 .408. In the muzzleload world, we describe things by their minor and major dimensions. And so, it's a .40 .408, which means that, essentially, it's similar to a .408 Chi-Tac, okay? Which everybody's heard of. Right, right. So, you lost me at Chi-Cap. Okay. Well, it's a gigantic bullet, long-range shooting. I mean, that took the world by storm here. Gigantic bullet. How big? Did you take it? Right. 420-grain bullet. Okay. The prototype we're playing around with, and this is a monster gun. I mean, it's 25 pounds. But we're using smokeless, okay? We're using smokeless powder in a muzzleloader, and we're pushing that 420-grain bullet, you know, a nice load for it right now. We're pushing that 2920.

But this is not your typical hunting build. This is one of those stupid builds that you've got to prove if you can hit it, you know, see if we can do it. And, you know, we've hit 2,000, and we've reached out 2,500. We actually went out to 3,000 yards. Come on. Just to see if we can reach it. We can reach it, but I tell you what, my friend, if you've ever shot long-range centerfire, you shoot a shot that range, then you put another round in and watch your impact and make an adjustment. With a muzzleloader, you shoot, you've got to stand up, you've got to reload, and then you've got to hope the wind is the same again. Well, and you're doing this by pouring powder down the barrel? Like, we're not talking centerfire. No, we're not talking centerfire. These are a muzzleloader. These are special builds for smokeless powder. Do not use smokeless powder in any of these factory rifles.

Ignore anything you've said up to this point. Yep. Pretty much. Right. Right. And that is for all of you guys that wanted what 3,000 yards look like. That's 1.7045 miles. I did the math real quick. Hey, the 2-mile target will go down this year. Oh, my God. You mean a live target? Yeah. A live target? You mean a piece of steel? No, no, no. And how big of a target is that? A 40-inch target. A 40-inch target. Yeah, we're going to do a 40-inch target, 10 shots. And we've got to knock it down. That just sounds like a testosterone thing. It's not – other than just a gee whiz and we did it, we built this rifle, and this is what it's doing. Pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've got to prove it, right? You've got to prove it and video it, but only show the one where it worked. It's kind of like, all right, we're in this COVID era right now, right?

And online, these trick golf shots and all this stuff and backyard basketball shots that you're seeing. How about honey? You're just seeing all these things that you're seeing. You're like, how many times did he try to throw that ball from his roof, let it land in his driveway, bounce three times, and go in the hoop? Anyway, I'm just talking. Oh, I know. But only show the one that worked the first job. Absolutely. That's right. Absolutely. I mean, in all honesty, guys, long-range honey with a muzzleloader, there is so much to cover and that kind of stuff. So it is much more in-depth than with centerfire because, once again, like I said, with that 3,000-yard shot, you have to shoot, you've got to stand up, you've got to reload. You can't just crank another one in. So long-range is – there's two different worlds here.

But at the end of the day, this makes 300 and 400 yards look stupid. That's basically what we're getting at. It's not that you're wanting to shoot an animal at 2,000 or 570 or whatever, but it's just like archery. When you're practicing at 100, 120 yards, it makes 50 feel like a chip shot. It's easy. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Anything else? I mean, there's nothing you don't do. Your LR Customs, I mean, it's everything from triggers to brakes to muzzleloaders, rifles. Well, I have backed way off the rifles. In fact, I'm not even building them anymore because the muzzleloaders have taken over. And that's – you know, we're pushing new limits. That's why I love it, man. There's a good whole world out there. We talked about you're from the Uintah Basin or live there now at least. Did your garden freeze the other night? We talked about this crazy weather.

What did it get down to up there in Vernal? Was it in the 20s? Yeah, we had a hard freeze up here. My garden did not freeze. My wife insisted we take down all her potted flowers and stuff and cover everything up. So it probably was upper 20s on – we're talking June whatever, 6th or 7th or 8th. It's crazy. Well, we had a high at my house of 39 degrees that day. The high. Yeah, and we were talking about that earlier. Other places in Utah was like 100 degrees on Friday and like 50 degrees on Monday. It was like – those were highs. It was crazy. And you and I were shooting on Thursday. You and I were shooting on Thursday, sweating. Right, right, right. And it just turned on a dime. Yeah. Kind of crazy. All right. Well, pretty awesome. I guess, you know, everybody out there, you can go check out Levi's work there on Instagram, LRCustoms. I think it's just LRCustoms, isn't it?

It's LRCustoms 78, I believe. But remember, I'm a social media idiot. I just build stuff. So get this. Get this. So Levi's over there and he posts a post and whatnot. And I comment or something and then Donald Trump Jr. comments. Okay? Wow. And he's like, thanks. No exclamation. No nothing. Just THX. And he's like, do you think that's the real Donald Trump? I'm like, dude, it's got a blue check. That's the real Donald Trump Jr. He commented on your post. Holy crap. So anyway, he ain't listening to this podcast. But if he is, didn't go unnoticed, huh? Didn't go unnoticed. Oh, no. No. It was hilarious. I appreciate that. Those guys are pretty busy right now. I don't know if you've been watching the media, but old Donald Trump's pretty busy keeping the social media up and going. Going crazy. I have not, man. I'm buried to my head in this CNC mill and it's Lays. All right. Well, all right.

I'll let you guys handle that. Okay. Well, thanks a lot. Good to visit with you. Thanks, guys. You take care. All right, guys. Thanks. Bye. Anyway, I don't know, Bronson. He said a lot of things that we won't remember. It's just nice to know a guy.

It's just nice to know a guy when you need to know something. That's all it is, right? If you want trucks, go to Aaron Bronson. It's like Red Rock. We know the gun shoot. We don't need to know every little thing about them. No. We just need to know a guy that makes them and we need to pay him to make us one. Well, in the world of muzzleloaders especially because they are the most finicky of shooters. The powder-bullet combinations, powder-bullet-sabbit combinations, and obviously they vary state to state, so you're talking about a break that you've got to screw off so that it'll be a lower profile when you shoot in a state like Utah or New Mexico or Arizona that you don't want to see your front sight through your scope hanging out at the end. Or you've got one in Colorado or Idaho or Nevada or other places where you've got open sight.

By bringing this up, Bronson and I are not advocating that we believe that muzzleloaders should be modernized. We're not advocating that that's what we think other states should adapt. We actually are on the opposite end of the spectrum. Personal opinion. But I'm with you because I know what you're going to say. I would love to go back to open sight's percussion cap. Just open sight percussion cap. Even if it's an inline percussion, whatever. It's just my personal opinion. I'd like them to stay somewhat primitive. Well, my point is, is by talking about it, by talking about long-range rifles, talking about long-range muzzleloaders, all the advances in technology, doesn't necessarily mean we're pro-advancing. No, it's just that there are certain states that allow you to use other forms of equipment. Scopes on muzzleloaders. Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, most notably.

I mean, there's some of the whitetail states, Iowa, Kansas, but we're talking the Western big game hunts. But we're going to conform to whatever Colorado makes you do and whatever Idaho makes you do and whatever Nevada lets you do. Going to conform? Just give me a tag. But he is producing some amazing rifles, and I got one, and it's awesome. And, you know. Speaking of rifles. It's only valid in some of these states. Go ahead. We did talk about the Red Ruck Precision Shooting School that we went to last weekend. It was awesome. They are going to have some more of those later in the year. I believe it's August and maybe a few others. If you're interested in them, learning a lot about shooting, both from a bench, both in shooting situations, and a lot of different techniques that you can use in real-life situations,

give the guys, give Kurt a call at Red Rock Precision or visit them on the web at redrockprecision.com. Anyway, great guys. Make great rifles. They can kind of customize stuff to what you're looking for caliber-wise or use-wise, meaning if you want maybe an ultralight-type mountain rifle, that's one practical use. If you want an all-around rifle, that's another use. But give Kurt a call. 801-425-6574. Red Rock Precision. Pretty awesome. You know, one thing I want to talk about. We're getting super excited right now because we're getting ready to hunt. We're getting ready to scout. And just talk about the mental preparedness of scouting, when you're going to scout. And then also, Bronson, like how to hunt, like how to keep your energy up. We've had a lot of guys say, well, it's a two-week season. Should I go early and stay for the whole season?

Okay, very few guys can go five days early on a two-week season and stay the whole time when the last day sometimes is the best day. Especially if it's a deer hunt or rut elk hunt and the first or last of that is not centered optimally at all. You could get yourself burned out before the hunt even gets good. You know, let's take, in some cases, the New Mexico elk, right? We're talking about a first season hunt, September 1 to 14. You could go down there for seven to eight days and be ready to never hunt elk again the rest of your life some years. Right, and want to leave right when it's starting to maybe get good. Yeah, around the 7th or 8th, A, you went a few days early to learn the place. Then you hunted for seven brutal hot days. And day, you know, 8, September 8th through the 14th, they're starting to rut and they're starting to get aggressive.

And all of a sudden, as a light switch, things change. And that's the same thing with the rut. Same with deer in November. Colorado. Yeah, you just don't know. Our seasons are a little shorter now. Third season's only a seven-day versus nine. And we used to go over a lot and just say, hey, let's go hunt the last five or six days instead of go there three days early and hunt nine and figure you're going to go for 12 days. It's not practical. And you're probably, if you're not seeing what you're wanting by mid-hunt, your tendency is you want to just throw it in and go home right about when anything good might be starting to happen. That's right. So anyway, yeah. There is. And then another guy said, hey, you know what? I've got a Kefaru tent and I'm going to be hunting fourth season in Colorado, you know, and I'm thinking, okay, there's a couple things that are going through my mind.

I've got one too. Okay. So has it ever been warm fourth season? Okay. And it is warm. Some years are warmer than others, but it's a relative term at night. The other thing I was thinking of is those little stoves they put in. You can't have enough kindling to keep that thing glowing red during a fourth season. From 5 p.m. until 7 or 8 in the morning? 7, 8. It is so long. The nights are so long. Yeah. So now let's say you go four days early and then you spend five days on the fourth rifle and your last day is the best day. How do you feel day five? Okay. If you make it to day five, you're leaving at noon. Am I wrong? Don't tell me I'm wrong. Probably not. So anyway. Every hunt is a little different. Evaluate it so you can get the most out of it. Now, if you have all the time in the world, just go there and realize don't burn out. I mean, archery deer hunts in Utah.

Archery elk hunts in Utah. Archery elk starts August 15th. If you're not on a big bull and you get it, I got 28 days to bow hunt elk.

Okay. How many days into that hunt? If you're, as the bulls start to move and you're pre-scouted bulls not feeding and bedding in the same area. There's only a few dudes that can do it that long. Dan Evans, he's spent some time. You know what I mean? And sometimes it just, anyway, be realistic with what kind of time you can put in. Just be realistic with yourself. And then also be comfortable. You like a hot shower? Go get you a hot shower. Or, hey, you want to stay in a motel? Like on third and fourth rifle seasons in Colorado, go stay in a motel. It's also different, though, when we're all low 20s. Dude, I did it. I mean, me going to a motel is not an option. No. I mean, you don't even have the money. Sometimes I don't have a credit card that's even got a limit to spend five nights on a hotel. So you're eating out of a can, too. Like, there's some stories. That's right.

Gone out on the Arizona Strip with nothing but some beanie-weenie cans in the back of the- Speaking of stories. In the back of the- What? Our next topic. Which one? Jeff. Jeff. Jeff's got- Okay, so- That's a segue to Jeff. Jeff and his some mystery. Should we call Jeff John? The thing is, so we've got these new stealth cameras. They're the Fusions, AT&T or Verizon-based.

Jeff's testing them out. Yeah. He sends me a picture at 5 a.m. this morning. He's got a picture of this tiniest little buck ever because we're just now growing their antler right in front of a house that he's building. He's kind of a spec home. He's like, these are the best things ever. Well, I call him. Hey, what do you think of these cameras? Because they're relatively new to us, to everybody. Yeah, wow, the world. We've got our shipment in a week ago. They've had other models, but stealth cams specifically, newer. They've had other camera companies make them. But we've got our inventory here in the last couple of weeks, two, three weeks. We're kind of learning as we go using them, using the apps and different things like that. So like, Jeff, tell me, what do you think of this thing? It's awesome. It's awesome. I'm like, okay. And then he goes and proceeds to talk about it.

But we do need to play a little prank on him because he's got them set up as a surveillance system. Let's ask him. I know. Because this is not a home he's living in. Most people, if you get a home and you're in there and you have your valuables and your family there, you're naturally a new home. Maybe at a certain point in life, you're going to think about, do I get a security system or whatnot? Okay. Jeff's not living at Nassau's, but he wants a security system. So what are you going to do? Let's say you're four hours away. Three fusion cameras. He's got the app. He's downloaded instantaneously and he's going to watch somebody steal shoes. And I feel bad for every, for every straight, he's, him and his wife, Angie, sorry, going to get woke up by every buzzing email through the night of a stray cat, possum, raccoon, bat, anything triggering that camera.

We should set out something, some attractant, a critter attractant, you know, some cat food or something. Just, I don't know. All right. Hold on. Let's just see what he really thinks of these cameras. Who knows what he's doing today? What are you doing? Hefe. What's up? What's going on, guys? Hey, this is round two. You're the first, I think, round two cold caller. So it didn't take you long to figure out what a call at about three or four in the afternoon might mean. Such a good guest. We'd like a little feedback, personal usage feedback. You're one of the first to, you know, grab a few fusions from us. Went a couple weeks ago when they came in. And we teed it up for you on the intended use, that you've got a home security system.

Yeah, I might void some kind of warranty on the camera. Don't be doing it. Don't be doing it. I can't hear you very good. You probably got some power tools in both hands and leaned up against your shoulder. I'm just walking out to the truck. Give me two seconds. Oh, is that better now? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, we're not trying to void any warranty. We're not trying to alert your insurance company to anything. No, we're just, you're building this back home in a certain place and decided, hey, you're here. You're there some. You're not some. You've got other contractors working on stuff. Yeah, I'll throw a couple cameras out because, you know, there's not a lot of excitement to get on trail camera in early June. Little did we know you're already scouting for the late archery, the extended archery here in Southern Utah. New for this year. Yes, it was pretty awesome.

So that's what kind of struck the conversation of this morning. And so I set these two cameras up just, you know, going both directions in the driveway on the side of the house just to see everybody coming and going. Right. You know, and it just it shoots an alert to my phone saying, hey, you know, you have a new picture on your and you can name your cameras. So I got South driveway, North driveway. So anyway, it shoots me a picture. You got a new you have a new photo on the South driveway. So I jump on checking. So anyway, this morning I'm cruising along. I don't know what that was like quarter after five or something like that. And I get an alert and I'm like, oh, nobody should be at the house at quarter after five in the morning. Yeah. And I look at it and there's a deer. There's a deer walking through the job site. It's a little buck walking through the job site this morning.

So, yes, we're already scouting for deer season. And so Jeff decides that I'm probably awake. Jeff is you are. I know you are. This this picture snaps at five eleven and five thirteen. He's on the phone.

He's got fresh velvet. There's only two people I know consistently that I could probably hit at five thirty in the morning and they'd be awake. And it's probably you, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No question. I just no question. So anyway, but kind of hilarious. So tell us about it. I guess you download the app. You scan the QR code. You're up and cranking. It was super easy. They are. They're the easiest thing in the world to set up. So you just. Yes. You download the app. And and there's a couple of different stealth cam apps. This is the stealth cam command. It's called the command app. And and literally you open your box to your camera. There is a QR code. As soon as you as soon as you actually open the camera itself, there's a there's a QR code inside the camera. And then your phone. It like in the app. It'll say add a camera. You click that button. It comes up with a QR code reader.

It reads the code. It gives you a prompt to accept the, you know, accept the terms and conditions. And the department said this is not to be you be substituted for a home security system. I did not read the fine print. There probably is something. We're not liable for any things that are stolen from the job site. No, no. And this does not. You should not be able to use this as evidence in your court case or something like that. But yeah, I went ahead and did it anyway. When danger shows on this camera, the cops don't come running. It says all stuff like that. Yeah. Well, it's funny. It's funny. He's got. So he's got. So my wife goes over and feeds his horse. And pretty soon, you know, Jenna's getting a call. And they're like, do you have a tonneau cover? Do you have a tonneau cover? It's true. I got a tonneau cover. Okay. Okay.

I was thinking somebody was there at the job site that shouldn't have been. Yeah, Jeff. The next thing. I'm scared to even go. The red truck shows up. And I can't remember. Like, I didn't think that she had a little tonneau cover on that truck. And I'm like, wait a minute. What's going on here? Yeah. Jeff's got a sniper that's laying in a ghillie suit in the ditch ready to just open fire on people. Hey, hey. It's not far off. Tell me I'm wrong. Well, Jeff's got it on his mind. He's got all the looters out there. I mean, it's just on the brain. Here we go. Right? Oh. Jeff, I would like to even go see the progress. I'm not even driving by your place. I'm not going to go there. I don't want to be construed as I'm a looter. You don't want to be held at gunpoint. No. I don't want to be on your driver's license. I don't know it. Throwing your driver's license down on the ground.

I don't want to be on camera anywhere near your stuff, Jeff. I don't. I'm telling you, these cameras are insane. They are awesome. I'm sold. So, on the settings, how do you have your set? Do you get instantaneous and every single picture? There's different settings on that, right? Yeah. You can actually set it up so it just downloads them once a day or notifies you basically once a day and says, okay, you have pictures. And in the default settings, it will come like that. So, when you're initially setting it up, if you want to be alerted all the time, make sure you go in and you hit the update all the time. Yeah. And so, that's the thing. I keep it updated all the time because at three in the morning, somebody's there. I want to know. You need to know the push go and the guy in the ghillie suit springs to action. You need to know that now. Absolutely. So, yeah.

I mean, you can set it up just like your regular camera, but you do not set it up on the camera itself. You set it up on your phone and then it links to the camera and changes those settings. It is, it's way cool. It really is. Yeah. I mean, I could get him off the phone this way. He's awesome. Made me want to go set one up in my yard. So, we know what we're up against. What kind of optics has that guy got on his rifle? Yeah. There you go. Yeah. That's what you need to worry about. Yeah. What does he got? Is he really going to be able to hit something? He got a Simmons straight eight. A Leupold fix four. No, no. He's got thermal on there. He's got to join in the wave of the future there. Well, how about when you guys get that done? You and Angie invite us on. We'll come look through it at that point. How's that? There you go. Let's do it. All right. Well, good report. Yeah. Good report.

Are you going to smoke that deer? Are you doing anything good in the world? Are you doing anything good in the world? Hold on. Hold on. Have you named that deer yet? Have you named that little buck that walked across the screen? No.

I'll just name him Port-A-Potty. How about that? Oh. Tell us. I'm going to go. Okay. Tell us the Port-A-Potty story now. We've done that. On the podcast? We did? Yeah. The theft of TP. Oh, I lose track. This is right. That's in episode 133. Yeah. Within the one or two weeks of Corona starting, his Port-A-Potty on the job site would get looted every night and the TP would get stolen out of him. Isn't it crazy? And then a guy riding a bike goes up, leans it against the Port-A-Potty and walks in and uses it. Yes. Just a guy training on his bike. Walks into Jeff's yard, job site. Warms up the toilet seat. Once again, that's true desperation. If you are stopping to do that, to do your business in a Port-A-Potty, you are desperate. Just like if you're stealing toilet paper, you're pretty desperate. I think he thought it was just a public use facility.

Not up in a lot next to a construction house. It was next to the road. It was next to the road. It was. Well, what city does Port-A-Potty randomly on the streets? Nobody does. Okay? But not except for fairs and festival time here, and we're not having that. But next time you need to slather some carol syrup all over that seat and teach them guys a lesson about stopping. So, anyway. Nice. Teach some Democrats a lesson. All right. All right. All right. Sounds good. Okay. Anything else? Be good, fellas. Catch you later. All right. Bye. Anyway. It's always good for a laugh. There you have it. Always. It was funny, dude. I mean, the picture's like, let me look at the time. I think it was like 5-11. And he was on the phone. He actually texted it over, then texted it over again, again, and I finally told Jana, I better call him. This guy's awake. He needs something. He needs some attention.

I'm going to see what he has to say. He's asking if this buck's going to turn anything. Want your thoughts on front, back, and side pictures from June 11th. I'm seeing a little bump on the base. You think that'll turn into a real point. Is that going to be a scoreable point? And then he wants to know every make and model and accessory on all the trucks in your driveway. I know. 100%. 100%. And he's getting these photos downloaded while he's driving. He was driving down here this morning. So who knows when he left. He had to leave at 4 or 5, something like that. And then he pops a photo of a little buck there in his yard. So he's on fire. Of course, anyway. Anything else we need to cover? No, I don't think so. I think just, you know, we're selling tags like it's our job, Bronson. We're working on landowner tags. You know, there's phases in the year. You've got your application season.

Then you get some draw results. Then you realize you don't have anything. Now you're looking for landowner tags. It's definitely that phase right now. It's definitely that phase. We do have some states that are going to be coming out this next week. We've got everybody's waiting on California. Everybody. Right, Chris? Waiting on California draw results. We've got California. We've got Wyoming is going to be next week for a non-resident deer and antelope resident, deer, elk, and antelope. We're going to have, what else? Washington just came out yesterday, so it's already out. Oregon will be out coming, coming out. Well, we do. Idaho deer, elk, and antelope's coming. So we're getting towards the end of it. And a lot of people, you know, in a few states like New Mexico and Colorado, we're staging to give landowner tags, awarding to their landowners.

And Colorado, of course, you know, we just kind of sidestep that whole process. It's not something we actively engage in, you know, finding tags for hunters like we used to 10, 15-plus years ago when that was easy done. Just, you know, got to go to landowners direct. And when we find a few, it's because we're looking for tags for ourselves. But it's not something we do. It can broker and can be even in the middle of it. So we just avoid that one altogether. And it's not easy. We hear you. I mean, we can't always find the personal tags we want. No, but we do have a load of New Mexico tags that are unspoken for at the moment. Yeah, we do. Like we've got a lot of guys that ask for stuff, but there's still a lot that we've got that we actually own. If you're looking for something, call in. We can put you on a list. If we don't have it, we'll try to find it.

There's a decent chance we'll find something for you. Yeah. So keep that in mind. It's that time of year, the realization setting in that for a lot of people, like I said, there's still a few states to come out that can change your schedule. But I would dare say most of what's still remaining doesn't set a schedule. It kind of augments it. We're talking Wyoming. We're talking Idaho. I mean, I guess if you drew an Arizona deer on the strip, that would be a monumental thing. But you know what I mean? Most of these are adding to a schedule. They're not like basing everything around it. That's right. Anyway, so be a realist. You've got to have something. You've got to go on. A few leftover draws. Second draw is open right now. But, I mean, there's not much on some of those. Yeah, that's right. Nevada. Nevada there is. There's a few. A couple. All right, guys.

We're going to call it a day here at the Epic Outdoors office. Yeah. We are now taking Fridays off and only working Monday through Thursday. Long hours. But Monday through Thursday, we're starting to scout. That's the time of year it is. We will be here next Wednesday, which is the 19th. We aren't taking that one off. That's the last day for our membership drive. So, tomorrow, just with a big push we had this week with a few draw deadlines, Arizona most notably. A lot of the office staff, including our licensed application staff and all, have been just pushing hard this last three weeks. But, yeah, we will be here up through the 19th on May 19th. After that, and we call the winners on, should be the 20th, Carter. We're probably going to not be in here as much on Fridays. There may be somebody here to take a call on a member experience list or something like that.

But it's just getting into the time of year, mid to late June and July and August, where we're scouting. We need an extra day to do some of our stuff. And it's obviously family time for a lot of us, too. And just enjoy that time. That's right. And we are shooting for the 20th. We might have to let the dust clear. It might be the 21st, 22nd. But anyway, right in there we'll have some more draw results for people that were successful in our membership drive. That's right. All right, everybody. Have a great weekend. Go out and find something giant. Everybody's starting to run some trail cameras and get things set up. Good luck to y'all. You need help. That's what we're here for at Epic Outdoors. Membership's $100 a year. You get magazines monthly from December through June, bimonthly the remaining part of the year. Of course, you can call in.

We can send you a list of members who've drawn tags that you've had, set you up with hunts, find you landowner tags, whatever. Everything Western big game. That's what we do. Give us a holler here at Epic Outdoors. 435-263-0777. 435-263-0777.