EP 198: Colorado Mule Deer Unit by Unit Breakdown

unit by unit in colorado for deer it's on the front burner the dates move late everybody's been talked about everybody knows about it and there is escapement in that country got some big deer got a lot of wilderness there anything to do with western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by under armor let's get going fellas here we are in southern utah hey everybody welcome the epic outdoors podcast coming at you from southern utah me and bronson here at the mics along with chris peterson anyway we'd like to thank under armor for helping us out a lot of different projects thanks under armor and all you do for us here in the outdoor community another thing that we need to bring up as we get started is something that we've talked about a little bit in the past but this year is a little bit different in terms of

all the banquets and conventions they have been canceled and a lot of those typically had auctions for tags we've had a lot of people ask um what happens to those tags in a year like this now through huntandfishconnection.com here uh i believe sports for fish and wildlife mule deer foundation rocky mountain elk foundation tags here in utah are for the remainder of this year for 2021 gonna be pushed and marketed through that website yeah hunt hunt and fish connection.com hunt and fish connection.com these are auction tags don't don't they're not raffle tags but they have them for all species there's turkey tags on there now there's deer elk antelope bush sheep goat we'll just throw them all out there cow elk if you're interested in filling the freezer carter something yeah yeah something for everyone that's right even turkey hunters and they'll be released

weekly from now probably for i would imagine a couple of months so keep an eye on the website there you might set it as a bookmark on your browser or whatever just check it on a regular basis you never know there might be tags on there you'd be interested in definitely going to be uh the way of the future so to speak there's gonna be a lot of tags being going uh being sold on hunt and fish connection.com all right well we wanted to kind of go over a few things bronson a few years back and i don't remember how many years ago but we went unit by unit in colorado for deer one to 196 okay did you know that was terrible we were never going to do it again and now here we are well thinking about it i think part of the reason is a lot of us in the office have burned our points in the last one or two years in colorado and so by talking about it it give ourselves some ideas

yeah well partially but it also we burn points and muzzleloader and archery ideas hey that is i'm getting a lot of good feedback from y'all uh don't need any more llama feedback but i'm getting a lot of good feedback people think i'm i'm uh well you know they're taking their hat off for for me just to consider something besides a november rifle he wants to do a collab hunt where we video it and he brings the llamas he's already talking about that today he called it a collab that might be worth considering no well gonna have a spitter spitting on you the whole time no yeah no no maybe maybe but your your point about bringing up the map and going through them is just simply to talk about maybe where we've been over the years and not to say hey we've hunted everywhere in colorado we haven't hunted everywhere but to show that we're maybe just don't be afraid to go hunt

call that all there is so many good options in colorado right now and not a lot of no-brainer elite great i don't know if there's any um frankly it's a whole lot of average yeah so when you rattle off a bunch of units at all we're not those guys that are built up 15 20 points we we use them we use our points often i got a question for you adam okay a whole lot of average last year is there another way to say that that doesn't say there's a whole lot of average last year you killed what killed the buck okay how big was he he's a good eating buck okay how wide was he just under 32 wide how many hours did you hunt maybe 1.5 okay that's my point that's my point could you have done that anywhere else in the western u.s probably not and i'd and a unit i'd never been to before um yeah that's my point or archibald had been to before how close to a road was it it wasn't far

how far they were he was running hard okay let's put it that way probably less than 200 well i shot from about 200 yards from the road he was another 450 so a six 650 off the road but not okay in a no-namer unit i'm just saying there's just there's options there's opportunities and while we say there's a whole lot of average i think we're just slightly tainted a we've seen what it could be what it should be and it's not that and it's not probably going to be and we'll never quit i think another problem is we answer the phone here at epic outdoors okay so our members can call in visit with us every day some do all for the hundred dollars okay charging more for talking and getting a mag and you know podcasting with us cold letting us cold call you we don't charge anything no we should though we should well if we do clint linstorm all this is a lot of money and that and and we should

collect yeah i'd take credit card from that guy all right so guys are calling in i have 15 points 18 points 20 points 23 points 25 points where do i go i want to make the best use of them and i'm going to call you back after the season and get mad at you if you if i have a bad hunt and that's what we feel like they don't say that but that's what we feel like because we take a lot of pressure and pride in consulting we want them to be successful we want them to kill them you want to use them wisely and you want them to you know you want to be able to control the weather so they get two and a half feet of snow three days before their hunt okay and some guys are going to go home when the snow starts and they should be staying some guys are going to have sunburn after you know eight nine days of straight sun and no weather that's right so all right so our cover buck we're going to talk

about that 228 incher disgusting sick eye guards which are kind of awesome you compare that you compare that to my buck on page five okay compare those eye guards to my bucks okay you yours are slick shanks turn the page compare it to archibald his are slick shanks okay but having said that i mean that buck's unbelievable the cover buck came from a two to three no name i mean i mean you know a guy would for all intents and purposes that's a governor buck that's a buck that would you know that's worthy of 25 points so anyway could could happen anywhere definitely can and does obviously does does more often than not that way a two to four five point year than a than a 20 plus pointer unit 44 killed like one 200 inch that i heard maybe or was it high 90 i mean a good great deer but let's say we heard it was 200 let's call it a

low to mid 90s probably more realistic i mean that's just and that's one of the best units in the state traditionally for years and years and years all right so these applications are due april 6th and that's why it's kind of our magazine just came out i mean it's been on the on the web for a while the emag version but as far as the paper mag people are getting it it's the march 2021 issue third issue of the year we produce it every single month this particular issue covers colorado all species as well as idaho sheep goat moose and montana deer and elk don't know that we're going to talk a lot about montana today not today maybe another day today let's i mean we're we're going to start getting crushed in the office on consulting deer units we have a lot but it's it's on the front burner the dates move late everybody's been talked about

everybody knows about it that's why i'm going a different direction and i've said that yeah and jason doesn't think i'm well i mean but i'm telling you difference between good intentions and a liar hey no i have good intentions but there's there's bucks there's late season bucks to be had so yeah but there's early season bucks i mean there's velvet muzzleloader bucks in our mag there's another velvet velvet there's that guy right there that big old typical disgusting look at him jason newbie that's disgusting big deer yeah all right so anyway we have um spent a lot of time in colorado we spent the better part of the last 15 to 18 years uh jesus even went out on pinion canyon that 142 back in 1996 so done a lot of hunting out there and um you know anyway just pretty pretty awesome had some great experiences had some not so great experiences ate our tags all of

us have chris you've ate a tag or two huh yeah slept them back at trucks oh many months months if you added it all up it would be months months so anyway there's uh there's some definite uh opportunities out there some of the better known units bronson let's talk let's say uh 44 gunnison units which would be 54 55 66 67 551 uh you know 44 at eagle we hear a lot about but let's let's just talk should we just talk gunnison should we talk quadrants of the state sure how should we break this at some point or i mean is this a i mean while we do have experience in a lot of these units we're going to talk about like jason alluded it's over 15 to 18 years so if somebody's going to call me about my 43 experience it's been a minute oh yeah like 13 years 14 yeah no that's right 50 that's right there's three generations of a deer that have been born and died by since i was there last so i had a

heavy winter in there might be four i can't tell you where to go where the hot spot within a unit like that is but i can tell you the public land break break down all that but yeah we can talk about however you want but i think we also talk to a lot of hunters and we get a really good feel for what's going on you know out there in the big wide world of color we should do a 30 at some point in the podcast just for fun do a look at the map and then 30 to 40 seconds you have to be accurate rattle off the units you've personally hunted oh no i mean it'd be kind of fun no why i don't know okay well where do you want to start let's do quadrants okay i don't know well all right so let's just start over should we start over here on the utah border okay i don't know we could do that we've hunted 21 40 61 60 70 71 7 11 72 have you spent time out there i've driven through that many times

bean fields and different things we got a lot of friends that have hunted it yeah lots over there so there's a lot over there so 21 let's some stuff's come and gone it feels like 21 was and it still takes a grundle of points it just and well how about 30 to the south of it okay 30 is i took it out of the mag this year took it out yeah for a lot of years can you think of the last big buck killed in 30 i'm sure somebody's gonna call us on the podcast yeah email jason at epic outdoors.com hashtag this is a unit 30 buck please do but i'm telling you it seems like it's disappeared 21's disappeared seems like if you talk to a lot of people that are intimately familiar with the book cliff side of utah with the tags a lot of the general feeling is they've been given a lot of opportunity a lot of tags on that side it's kind of gone both sides of the

line right there and quality has moderated yeah that's my i hate that word it's like a hidden gym i hate that freaking word i hate it but anyway has moderated we and we've you know but what does that mean there's a lot of uh deer in 21 people are going to have fun if you're looking for 150 to 170 inch deer you can have a blast you're going to drive around see lots of bucks and it's truly a drive around and glass and enjoy the scenery and see lots of deer but you've killed multiple 200 inches there and that's been how that's kind of like what i was saying about 43 has that been 10 to 12 years ago 10 plus years ago and you know yeah and it was an awesome experience right i mean 34 inch 207 great buck off oil spring wilderness texas mountain country but anyway that is you know and back then i guess this is part of it back then when i was hunting it back then it was a has-been

unit to the locals the local outfitters they knew it was already not what good it was but we coming from utah we're like whoa what have we been missing okay i don't even know this unit there's a big buck and he's dead yeah and he died and and i mean and then we killed another buck that was 212-ish remember the same almost exact same thing when i went to 61 it was almost the same thing it felt like i was two to three or four years on on the way home you shot the buck it felt like i was two to three years after it's i can't even really say it's peak but but people were how about those pictures of those dark horn monsters that we still have in our mind and i i shot a 207 buck he's kind of a whitetail looking side yeah big weird frame yeah and uh and and i i was ready for a grind and i've never driving home i don't know it was 75 degrees third season or something it was crazy and uh

that that unit feels like it after that really bottomed out now we're seeing and hearing maybe some better things they've cut tags they've had some recent burns i mean 20 over 10 to 15 years you got to remember units come and go and come again you know or or go again and that's what i wonder with this one it's had tag cuts 110 then up to 120 115 100 90 just to quote on the third i mean when you have that it's very tightly managed compared to other units then you've got a burn in 2018 you got all this feed it kind of opens it up it's glassable and whatnot um it's kind of been off the radar and so even though they're issuing this many tags i mean you could you you could say you guys could argue and say well there's 90 tags there's 90 tags no matter what if it's on the radar off the radar whatever but there's a different caliber of hunters going to these wazoo units that are up and

coming you could give let's talk about gunners and some of that country you give a certain finite number of tags it's quantifiable but if you dish those out to hardcore hunters or you dish them out to just guys that are looking for 160 inch bucks it can change the quality change the dynamics i think it honestly we talked a little bit about that with mike duplan when we had him on is people increasing over the last 15 years of viewed colorado from especially non-residents and even a lot of residents as a trophy deer state and that's how they go there they put a little pour a little bit more into it than just hey i've got a you know about idaho general season tag in my pocket and i'm just going to go up there and you know have a good time and crush a three or four point if i see one yeah they they go there they put a little bit extra time in hike further they're just not a lot of people go

to colorado with intention of just filling deer tags i'm not minimizing the people that do have that mentality i'm just saying it's a it feels like a very directed hardcore mule deer um driven state it is and i think if you issued those same season dates in idaho you would have that same pressure you know what i mean when you're hunting i mean okay november 7th on a second let me what what if we have about november 13 19 in utah general dates on those what would we have left in our state that's what would we have left if we had a second and third season and a fourth in utah i know chris nothing could we could we even hunt again the next year let's say we let's just say we went to like the late season muzzle order dates of november 11 with rifles in utah you know we have that late season

yeah we flirt with it now with five to ten tags and we're nervous about that okay let's let's do hundreds of tags that and then the next week another 500 or 200 tags on a third and then let's throw 30 to 54 after that around thanksgiving it's almost a miracle colorado can still produce what it can produce it's an it's a testament to it being the deer factory it's the deer factory yeah no other if you can hunt it like if you can hunt it like they do and still have any chance to produce these kind of deer anything in a unit that has hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tags over multiple seasons and i know i know everybody's gonna say hey utah you give 85 000 you kill some bucks like that yes but we have a nine day rifle hunt in mid to late october that's right with you know over 31st now and we're thinking that's exciting yeah and colorado to add

to on top of it what what do they do to make it tougher for you in second third season when you're hunting deer they get over the counter over the counter let's just throw flutter with elk hunters there so let's just make game running running i mean and that might help that might help them it might help it probably reduces hunters are messing up hunters yeah there's so much pressure that there's an overload and there's less success and let's sell bear tags over the counter too i mean i mean serious yeah no i know i know so all right so 21's over 100 if you want to go there great you'd have a great experience having said that i i i can't think of the last 200 inch or last year i heard there was 195 inch or killed on the second season i didn't see a picture of it 22 borders that i've hunted it that's killed stars fading feels like it is but it was fading when i hunted it in

2018 and it's killed a good one but then you know anyway been there since it's got i love the units i love those units i i like them they're they're awesome and you see plenty of deer and there is escapement in that country meaning roads with thick thick trees and yeah it saves deer man it does you were you've hunted a brownson with you've hunted yeah i mean you you all that country on the you know the north and west side of the unit is just a lot of thick trees and you know unless you get next to highway 64 but having said that i mean just there's a lot of escapement but there's a lot of take there's a lot of hunters there's a lot of take and you know guys are good at killing stuff so anyway that borders 21 and was incredible there's got multiple guys out there killed multiple 200 inches there year to

year to year and then it's just you know time's got a little bit yeah unit 10 incredible opportunity they're super tightly managed um kind of it kind of back in the day bronson it it just went plummeted and they and as a result they just restricted the tags guys are talking about a lot of you see a lot of bucks not not killing or seeing a lot of 190 200 inches like you'd think you would see for waiting the amount of years i mean it takes to draw i mean geez it takes 18 points to draw second season tag there car i know second i know but but you gotta realize my wife has the points to draw and i've half thought of applying her there yeah just because it's unique i mean meaning there's no how you ever gonna go there you're never gonna probably find a land or tag if you really want or they'll be real

expensive so elk tags are on a draw you're not over the counter and you've got 25 total tags on the second season how awesome would that be yeah just a great experience right third season's taking 24 i mean 24 points yeah well there's also um a few great bucks and and obviously when you have that few tag numbers it's a big unit and it borders 21 it borders 22 it i mean it's big country in there it does have quite a bit of private and i think that's got some good bucks on it too so it's just yeah it just kind of helps helps these bucks get a little age on them so anyway we've hunted 11 to 11 uh probably shouldn't go there a lot of a terrible experience well if you're a screwed it's scarred why it's so bad he didn't go to colorado last year you know we're you know we're not kidding you know i know you're gonna listen to this i did that

with him and he he holds it against me you more or less talked him into doing well i'm let's try it it borders all the good units yeah we did but it but it and you saw a lot of deer and a lot of bucks the country's incredible but just not a lot of age on your buck they decided to ding near double the tag the year you drew yeah yeah not good yeah moving i guess if you want to just keep slightly moving a little bit west just get into the the little bit further east the 34 25 26 35 36 clusters okay i've spent a lot of time in the 35 36 you spent a lot of time in 25 26 34 34 34 all of us have yeah you have you you and mackenzie hiked in there yeah where are you gonna you were gonna take horses yeah we were going to we didn't end up taking them and after the fact i wish i would have really well just to get away there's not a good trail system in there well there's not like a good

how would you bear is there no there's a few spots it was just one of those things i thought it might be borderline too late to get into the high country but once i got there i realized there's a lot of kind of uh middle ground that i could have accessed because what happens i feel like in 35 is there's so many people anything that's close to a road you're you're done like there's people everywhere you have people shooting over time yeah we had uh we had a buck what's a bullet sound like that another one shot over top of our head and duck chris duck it wasn't a good experience well anyway not when you got your girlfriend there you're trying to keep her safe well that was another time you and john about got shot but anyway that was an elk hunt you had an elk i forgot about that that was up in 18 we will move that way in just a minute but these these units

that we're talking about here these are not you wouldn't label them as trophy units but they are capable of it they're in the best counties in colorado honestly 35 36 if they managed that would be the number one unit maybe in the western united states that being said it's a deer factory the feed's unbelievable go ahead that being said a couple years ago what kind of deer did well like people from the office kill yeah you killed a kurt one 12 12 or kurt kills 189 inch that we've seen from the highway i mean just we shot it legally everybody shot illegally kurt got off the bar ditch and smashed it smashed it and the game we hadn't pulled up well yeah the game warden pulls up we had to take off our i might kurt with the hunt's over you killed one um tag it let's take off our orange because it

was like right next to a main road yeah and you feel like all the yuppies are judging you you know i'm gonna get out and hurt you harass you know harass me i won't be harassed turn their jack russell speaking of harassing remember that buck we had the jingle bells the lady with jingle bells push that buck yeah we still smash that but we had a buck bedded and a late a tree hugger lady walked in between us and the deer with a bell ringing a bell we videoed it yeah that was with the one intention right she wasn't oh she wasn't that wasn't her her dog didn't come to her llama didn't come when she rang the bell she hadn't lost it she saw people in orange and she wanted to scare the deer why does it not come full circle on those people why you never know it might but having said that bronson we were talking about

good zip codes yes that's a 44 dude yeah and what's the difference between north side of the of i-70 and south well a number one deer numbers in 44 suck okay but but tag numbers there's nothing on the south on the north good they act like they care about 44 don't don't you feel like if they they cut back tag numbers on 35 it would be every bit as good it would be nothing like it last year 640 tags the year before that 800 on the third 25 26 got some big deer got a lot of wilderness there it's generally a lot of tags 26 is heavily private land they pour the tags to the unit and it's not a hard one to get either 34 way too many tags for how many deer are alive there and 34 i felt like when i hunted there it was it was tough access is very tough a lot of it's cliff face cany any deep canyon's cliff face there's like two access roads i mean

there's more than that you'd get into a place where if i just put it for effort i'll see a bunch of deer no you just don't you put forward effort there and still don't see deer yeah um sliding a little further east you got the mega mon you know monstrosity of the 18 cluster how many freaking tags are in there okay lots how many thousand there's incredible genetics there and there's big country there's more public land country there's a lot of private 14 there's more public than you can hunt in the season another one of those you've been there too yeah another one of those units if they cut tags a little bit it would be incredible yeah and we're not saying we understand we see the units that are low tags and sometimes they still can't produce and hang on and high tags mean high deer numbers too they generally do and that's generally does mean that but

if you can i think you guys both spent some time there on a fourth season before maybe chris on the third but john i don't remember a couple times but the pressure relaxed on the fourth season if i'm not mistaken and it was fourth was great it wasn't like you're by yourself but it was dramatically different you got a couple hunter tags versus 1400 that's true the downside is sometimes and this was the case when we hunted it the second and third have a better hunt your your cleanup you're hunting after everybody got done because whenever the snow hits that's who has the best and what's the tendency i've said that on several units this year that have have deer that early migrate or move early or show up on winter range early by a fourth season this year you're running a big risk of what do you got left what do you got left what do you got left you got five days to do it in bronson i

think wasn't there i can't remember if were you on that fourth season when there was three days of blizzard oh yeah that was me yeah in 25 was it 25 26 it was one year's eight or so years ago but it was three out of the five days you were it was either the first day or the second day of my hunt i saw i saw a giant and it was a wide out blizzard and i let it got dark that night couldn't the next day was a wide out from daylight till dark and that was so that way i found it i actually found it on night of day two day three was a wide out day four was an off and on in and out wide out and then it left me day five was clear as a bell and you smashed one a different my backup buck he was a six by four but he was right over here in my back pocket i had him in my pocket i so i shot a six by four in gunnison one year i think this was similar situations did you miss no no this one's

a good one i shot a different buck a four by four oh that you misjudged that was not quite as good you walked up and you're like wow this wasn't what it looked like from i did five six hundred yards through a quakey stand when you're threading one through trees and you're on your gun for 30 minutes waiting for it to you know in the quakey so what what let's learning learning but learning curve here what caused what do you think why do you think that you misjudged that one was it just accidental and you don't know what happened because i know what happened to me well you were 100 yards with 15s mine i think i was don't do that i think mine i had it in a rifle scope too long okay and it was dying well it was 10 000 feet if i'm oh yeah and you had to hike your gun and i mean and i'm in the in the

trees but i'm alone i don't have anybody else there and so i'd seen the deer go in there and then and then it gets up at feeds but it's like parts of the deer it's in a quakey stand and if you're hunting colorado enough they still think they're hidden in quakeys when you get snow on the ground the leaves are they're gone and you can see them but i was just waiting and i was literally 30 minutes and it got to the point the slack was out a little bit a couple and it was like i was just on the gun too long yeah well as soon as i had a shot i was like there's my shot i think you were thinking like 29 inch or whatever thought i thought that was gonna be you know 185 really solid buck those are the third season or maybe it's a fourth i don't remember 18 cent turned to i don't know i never named him but but he definitely didn't get a name after i got him okay okay i didn't name him before and he

definitely did get a name i remember you were talking about 2005 and i think was it 2004 that you had fond memories you killed a giant i can't that was a 43 hunt yeah yeah and those were yeah well in 2005 i misjudged my buck so think about this the most amazing era in my lifetime and i'm in gunnison one of the most amazing places on earth in my life 54 i don't remember where you were 54 54 and i glassed up this buck with 15s and i'm young i'm young and i had a lot to learn kickers yeah i had a kicker double eye guards whatever a basal point i don't know is the biggest three and a half year old i've ever seen and i walk up to him i'm like oh anyway having said that i learned i learned what not to do don't glass you know bucks with 15 or btx's or whatever it 100 yards because you're gonna shoot him all right so that's you got a story chris oh yeah whoa

let him pipe up also don't let someone else judge the buck for you oh when they want to go home oh yes i remember this one i don't tell me oh yeah so i was up oh i do i was up on top of this mountain and someone else was with me and uh apparently they wanted to go home and they were glassing this face and i get i get a call because i was up and uh in cell service and so was he i get a call i got i got a buck you need to come look at and and i said well how big is it because that's a long hike down there i don't want to hike down there if it's not a big buck and he's like oh it's it's a it's a 180 it's a 180 buck and i'm like all right well i'm looking for something special so i'm gonna i'm gonna wait well i go back to glass now he knows he's got to pour it on harder the next time the deer stands up out of his bed he's gotta i go back to

glass and and it's you know getting close to when you typically pack up and head home because the deer are bedding and he calls me again he's like i really think you need to come take a look at this this deer and i'm like well how good is he because like i said it's a long hike down there i don't want to go if it's not a significant buck and he's like well it's definitely definitely over 180 and maybe close to 190 and i'm like okay well if that's what it is he turned it up he turned it up a notch yep if that's what it is i'm gonna hike down there so i hike down these cliffs and it's one of those that you're like i don't even want to hike back out of here and i get set up and the buck's bedded and i can't see it and so of course we decided he he tells me he's gonna gonna bump it he's gonna bump it well a because he if you wait till dark and you kill it then it's you're not getting home

that night so it's the next day so he's thinking that we get an expert he's like i'm just gonna go in there and bump it and if i bump it chris is gonna have to dump it before he gets to judge it it starts running away from me it's gonna look big and i was above where i had a good command of everywhere that that buck could go yeah and typically they're just gonna stand up and run 50 60 yards and look back look back well that's exactly what happened but but it happens fast if you don't if you don't take the shot then the buck's too far away and so and you're the guy that didn't get it done forevermore yeah exactly so i'm like well that buck's gonna stand up as soon as it stops i'm gonna dump it well it jumps up exactly like adam says and it's bounding away and it looks pretty good it was a beautiful typical plus you had a guy on the glass that knew what he was doing

exactly and i know he knew what he was doing and it was a beautiful buck but i i dumped it as soon as it stops i dumped it proud and i walked down there and it's it was a little bit sad because it was such a pretty buck but it was just super young another year another year it would have been amazing it had deep forks and big eye guards and it was just an awesome buck but young so anyway there's what did you learn what did you learn that's what i learned put your eyes on your own buck even if somebody knows what they're doing yeah don't always trust somebody else's judgment like it yeah i like it i like that yeah but it's also lessons but there's still things that are going to come up again when you're by yourself and your neck so when you've been trying to thread a needle for 30 minutes on a deer in the quake is it gets purse some point it gets personal yeah but

that animal yeah it's true were you on day five and what day no because we killed aaron's deer the next i think that was day four in the evening so it was late of a five yeah and the next day we he freaking smashed a great buck more or less out the pickup right though i mean like crush got out i mean literally like not like okay yeah that that went good and there's a fine line between taking enough time to judge an animal and losing the animal because you weren't fast enough you don't know what you got till it's gone that whole premise i mean you you some you never know when you should have until it was too late like i should have i that was that three that 350 yard shot broadside that was the shot i should have taken because uh he looked pretty good walking away after that i've had bugs that look good walking away all right so one thing i want to talk about brownson

we talked about 44 a little bit this is just a great example um you know 44 fourth season i mean we're talking it takes 24 points 25 draw with 24 okay third season if i remember right it was 21 it was a percentage of 21 here it is uh 33 with 21 okay second season okay second season we're talking nine nine ten right here seven points 14 with seven and so and at times we've seen the second season i've hunted 44 second yeah uh been on there in the third um you know but we've seen the best hunts occur on the second with a snowstorm and so that's the kind of kind of the case with 44 there's a lot of um thick timber in that unit the the upper elevation stuff is still thick it's not like it balls off above tree lines no so to speak and so that country's really tough archery and muzzle really tough yeah i'm not looking at that as an option for me this year no but you guys do say hey

why not hunt the best unit in the state archery months why wouldn't you do that at least got some age on it means people haven't killed good bucks but in general the thick early when when deer are more in a summer pattern quote visible that there's units that definitely play into that hand a lot more and that probably wouldn't be one of those on a consistent year after year basis i mean yeah you can go there just because they manage very conservatively turn up an awesome buck at any time but generally archery muzzle you want the ability to glass bed spot a buck bedding above timberline type stuff or maybe a high desert type 21 or a 61 or something like that it's got a lot of oak but anyway there's you know that second season taking seven points guys look at that that'll probably jump to 10 or 11 points i mean you know just because of the onslaught of people looking to apply this

year with the late season dates you brought up the point that we get we're getting asked a lot is is the effect of point creep what's that going to look like this year and i've got my thoughts but oh go ahead what are your thoughts well i just like to i mean i think so this is adam and i do get this question a lot and a lot of times it's predicated upon tag numbers oh and number one absolutely and and i've had a few people even not really understand that it's a preference point system and predicated by applicants that year they just think that of not just not just not just disagreeing with you they yeah they almost say well how many points is it going to take this year to draw like that like the state arbitrarily picks a number and says that we think is going to take nine this year it's totally a product of how you apply and i know that for a lot of you listen to this

you might think well yeah duh but but i've had a few people explain that to me so it took seven last year with the late dates how many is it going to take this year not understanding it's totally at a relationship of who applies this year with their points and that's the deriving and when you have four non-resident tags which a lot of you know a lot of cases there are four three ten whatever you can just have a just a few applicants come over and it changes everything yeah so you know from either applying points only or other units last year i mean so yeah you look at a unit like i don't know let's take a 35 36 third 640 tags 200 tags to non-residents last year it was a 30 draw zero points would it surprise me if it was zero if you needed a point to get it this year no but it's not going to jump to three five four or five points there's that's because you would need hundreds

yeah a hundred new applicants with points to change it yeah and so that's not going to happen people now you look at unit 10 third i mean it's hard to maybe that's not a good example because well it is there's there's 15 tags only four non-residents so let's say a group of four from you know wherever yeah i won't i was gonna pick one of the fifth probably i about said kentucky but i don't have anything against i have one friend in kentucky that i know and that's jared doing okay doing stone outfitters okay but let's say a group from kentucky wants to come and they've been building points they've been building points for 26 years and they want to burn their 26 and they jump in this year it's okay they're going to get whatever they have it's going to be and there's going to be guys saying yeah but i had 24 and how come i didn't get it 24 you guys said 24

and that's what it just it doesn't take much to change these things this was a reflection of what it took last year remember it's a preference point system they start at the top and start divvying out tags layer by layer until they simply run out based on applicants so guys with high points have uh preference over guys there's no random draw we get also get questions from people in colorado on deer and elk say hey well i just want to put them for the best unit we'll get them the last three or four days just in case i get lucky there is no getting lucky right on deer and elk you know don't put them for 44 third if you have three points there's no i mean it it's nothing nothing gonna hurt you're gonna get a bonus point but there's no random random portion of the draw i think it's just understanding the point systems how to how to apply but you know part of this too remember

these are last year's draws you had one point less than you have right now another big when you applied so let's say it was i don't know unit 10 third we can't beat up on it anymore so let's just do it nobody's quote favorite everybody you know it's a 24 point unit so what are we going to do to hurt the odds there so let's talk about it last year those guys that applied and drew they had 24 last year yeah that means you have 24 this year you had 23 last year so you may not get it with 24 this year and so i think that's a lot of you know a lot of what happens here of course there's also some self-fulfilling prophecy going on here people look at what it takes and if you if it took five or six points guys with less aren't really looking at applying they're thinking they might have a chance let's talk about that people thinking they got to come in by the skin of their teeth this is a year

more than any other i contend that don't if you want to go hunting pick a unit and go hunting don't think if you've got 11 points and something took 10 last year that's a good option but if something took seven or eight that's a waste of your points don't think that and if it took 10 and you have 11 there's a chance you're not going that's right that's right i had that talk today with somebody with force with four seasons on the brain and i'm like you you can't bring up something that took more points than you have let alone anything you know with where you're at um something that took 15 points last year you've got 12 don't don't even think about it on a fourth on a fourth season a lot of that a lot of that's going on we we we know guys with 15 points applying for second season units i'm just saying and multiple guys not not one or two we're not even singling out one or two no

you're in a 15 point tier and i'm not faulting them one bit you're going hunting they're probably they're going hunting they're booking their vacation right now cover buck came from nothing units i'm just saying and that's what we're saying we're saying is is if you have 15 points and you burn them on a eight point unit 10 point unit 12 point unit you didn't waste a single thing you're gonna probably go hunting that's right and you can count on it now if you have your 15 and you put in for a 13 to 14 pointer you're breathing clear till the end of breathing hard till the end of may to find out whether you got it and then good luck playing the leftover list game this summer so this is let's let's do this let's burn burn points let's burn it up let's let's talk about these units real quick give quick rendition rendition of what we think's happening super quick

and and let's just cover some things you know a lot of these are questions we're getting on a regular basis i'll go until i need a breath and you freaking take over okay all right so i'm going to take a strip let's talk about the way i mean border just for a minute you get the planes okay up here so we've got units 201 one two i mean two's got a lot of just wide open country not high densities of deer and a lot of just average bucks i always feel like two has incredible potential because there is it's a giant unit it's one of the biggest units in the entire state and there has to be bucks dying of old age however i hardly ever hear of one well but partly because there's almost no tags so hardly no tags and in a giant unit i'm just thinking i want to be a hero someday and go hunt having said that probably not i don't know if i have the guts to do it so anyway not one we look at

heavily i do have a friend that hunted there um they saw 40 or 50 bucks had a good time but it wasn't next level potential unit one tiny little unit got private in it does have some freaking great bucks the locals keep it quiet um there's also private they have access on that that helps them there's also monument in there there's bucks that kind of have a little refuge and get some age there's great potential there but it is a different unit to hunt 201 has great 180 190 type potential and uh you know borders at 102 and one i mean there's some there's great things about that country right there um i guess i need a breath okay do i have to go south or east or wherever you want wherever i want and then i'm going to we've talked about a lot of the stuff just south of there the 10 21 22 30 31 40 62 70 it feels like we have friends it feels like those units the 40 61 62 i'm not going

to lump 70 into that feels still feels like 70 71 7 11 that used to be really popular place to just go crush four points they're still good for that but man it doesn't feel like they're killing very many 175 185 type deer out of those units right now almost everybody you talk to hunting the the 70 71 7 11 on the public land at least are not having as quite as good of hunts on the older deer now 61 40 62 feels like i'm not saying monumental but a definite trending upward they used to be it feels like 10 years ago 15 15 hotter um went through a spell they were just kind of there and it maybe feels like they're trending back the other direction um based on what we're seeing hearing and uh you know multiple multiple people um i don't know if we go to southwest or southwest corner a lot of private down that way

reservation not to say that some of the 72 73 7 41 7 11 75 stuff don't have good deer they do there's a lot of movement in those deer the 75 751 uh 74 7 41 deer a lot of those are drifting south right 77 771 a lot of those are the deer 78 that drift south into new mexico to be country um late um a lot of those deer you don't hunt repeatedly the whole hunt they're on the move um but they produce some big deer dude we i just i've hunted 77 for elk a couple of times back in the day archery elk in the winter manute wilderness uh saw some great bucks they're definitely capable of it just feels like the lower elevations of those units get tied up on private or they drift onto reservations slash uh even across state line i hear you on the private stuff well let's move up to the wyoming border again i'll keep going that four five

161 country i've been in all that country right there the 161 stuff there's good potential in there there's been some really good bucks taken in the four and five country there's some private you're dealing with um and public and then those bucks are also tend to migrate with time into wyoming especially as you get closer uh to 161 six seven all that country you're having a lot of movement yeah even the telemetry studies are showing their movement in in uh first first part of october sometimes mid-october a lot of it depends on weather and stuff those seasons are are uh pretty awesome and in the regard of um tag numbers especially as you get further east there's lower tag numbers very conservatively managed and then you know late season if they're in wyoming there's no real late seasons in wyoming and so they're protected so we're seeing a little bit of an older age class buck but

it's not not like next level genetics like say eagle has or 44 or numbers because of the deer i don't know 80 percent a lot of some of the biologists will tell you 80 percent 75 80 percent of the deer are moving to wyoming to winter so with whatever stays that's why you have such low tag numbers on third and fourth season is there's a lot of the deer have left left the state so good quality but low tag numbers i would say very volatile on terms of point creep in that area because of those low tag low tag numbers yep and i hunted early season and some of that stuff too i think you've hunted it in the back in the day a little bit later anyway there's you know we know there's good potential in there it's just a totally different hunt so anyway good potential older age class bucks yeah not used to

deer too much snow can be a bad thing you're not used to that in colorado too much early storm in that could could potentially in something like 161 6 that country 16 be too much of a good thing if you get too much of it before third and four much of a good thing all right then we'll go a little bit south we got 18 28 37 371 we've talked about a lot of that already i've hunted some of that chris has hunted it john's hunted it and whatnot lots of deer there's a lot of country it just does not get hunted i hunted out of grandby even and some of that stuff there's a lot of country just doesn't have pressure and then there's a lot of country that has tons of pressure it's amazing to me like it there were so many people yet we were still seeing bucks uh didn't i didn't see next level bucks but you go out every day and it was a great hunt like all things considered it's a super fun hunt

high deer numbers um also high numbers of hunters okay gotta be prepared for that okay as we move a little bit further south we're talking the 501 50 500 stuff there's good good potential in there had recent burns um you know there's guys going in there and hunting 150 to 170 inch type deer rarely do we hear of something special out of there although we know it's possible uh decent access some private um you know it's a decent hunt my son drew a tag in there we ended up not going he had another another conflicting tag um but anyway definitely something for a lower point guy uh having said that just doesn't feel like it's got next level potential so sometimes we tend to not maybe give it even the credit it deserves well and we're we're from utah and so what i mean by that is we have to drive through how many other units to get clear over to their front range versus somebody maybe in the

midwest or eastern u.s they're coming want to get past the plains and stop on somebody's front range unit that that country you're talking about 50 501 some of that those are units they might look at because they get to them first where we have to drive all the way through colorado past a bunch of great deer units to get to them okay factors into my decision anyway i guess of course yes um having said that also some of this country we've talked about 35 36 all the potential as there um obviously you know it's been over hunted we have seen tag cuts there's potential for some of that to change we'll see um but for now it just it's not producing near what what it once did or what it's capable of and then 44 444 borders 44 there's been there's good potential in there it does have big chunks of private in

there but guys have had decent hunts in there it's really you know quite a bit easier to draw than say the world-renowned 44 so anyway uh potential in that country and then just south of that bronson that's your famous 43 a lot of a lot of people talk about 43 muzzle archery earlies lates uh private download you know there's just a lot going on there a lot of dynamic a lot of early high country wilderness hunt has an early rifle hunt and a muzzleloader hunt that's popular and then it does have a fair amount of private land down low which is a something you need to be prepared to study your gps land ownership map phone whatever uh on on the late season hunts no question about that uh south of there i guess we get a lot of calls on gunnison i mean all the gunnison cluster that we've talked about them earlier but i guess the the current state of them um i had pretty mixed mixed reports

last year and it wasn't the same on all of them the 66 67 felt like they underachieved compared to the year before they seemed like they had great hunts you were there yeah you were there i mean you saw it firsthand you were in 66 yeah yeah i was there with my son he had a tag we saw a lot of bucks just didn't feel like next level bucks were missing and people we were talking to in 67 and a lot of hunters since uh we talked to they were they were saying the same thing and the year before jason we saw how many deer come out of 67 that were 190 plus solid great deer just a lot of older junk bucks and younger bucks younger bucks and older junk bucks uh i don't know if that best described it chris i think you hunted old junk bucks yeah i hunted and we saw a lot of uh you know 150 160 bucks 164 points

that people were bringing in a lot of three points um i saw a lot of deer just there were days you'd see hundreds of deer but just like you said nothing next level and i think the best buck i saw was probably mid 170s and i hunted my guts out for seven days a whole second season hunted hard yep and and last year oh geez some of the better bucks we saw came off it was one those same dates best country in the state yeah it was yeah 66 67 67 maybe the best unit in the state in the year before yeah and then feels like 2020 was nothing that's right feels like maybe 54 and 55 i don't want to put them on a pedestal jason but it feels like they had a little bit better reports come out of them this last year then the southern gunnison units yeah a little better reports having said that it's you know everybody's still waiting for it to be that next level be the 2019 that say south of gunnison

had so anyway definite potential in there we get a lot of questions it's a lot of fun there's good access and a lot of that there's quite a bit of private in parts of it 66 54 has it and and uh you know all of them really but for the most part we've had guys ask about 551 it of the five gunnison 54 55 66 67 551 that seems to produce the least amount of big bucks that we've seen and this has been over the course of 15 plus years 20 years now there i'm sure there's a guy that knows about specific giants and might refute that having said that honestly it's it's produced the least as amount as any of the units down there yeah and it still feels like it does you know underachieved compared to those other we have a lot of questions bronson about uh 53 52 uh 521 63 64 65 and we have a lot of questions about that country it's been good it's a good definitely you know provides good hunts

for guys um but it's hard to quantify those units like you're not god it's not gonna make it's not gonna you're not you know it's nowhere we would send somebody that's gonna kill a 200 inch or how however there have been a few over the years does fill in recent years 53 has been a heavily popular unit public land unit and it just feels like it's slipped and slipped and slipped now 63 has a lot more private land and so generally i think we've seen a few better deer come off of that a lot of maybe you're tied to or very near on private property to some extent the 52 521 as well if you get a lot of weather those deer will move to the lower elevations of 521 52 and that's heavily private land as well so 64 65 to some extent as well i mean they they have a lot of private land on lower elevations so late season hunts they you know you might unless you have a place to hunt or some access

tougher yeah that's right we've also had like the 52 521 as you talked about i mean there's private in there and whatnot and you're but there's some nasty gnarly country and there's there's just some escapement there's a few older bucks and there is definite big potential in there but i do i rarely hear talk to a guy that hunted it that is looking forward to going back that's kind of that and that's kind of like the 41 42 421 the grand mason giant numbers of tags i mean good genetics like probably the last 300 inchers come out of there i mean it was one of them i mean it's like just goes to show colorado can crank bucks out but that that's a unit with just tags poured to it an opportunity hunt you know just just an opportunity hunt but it doesn't mean something good can't happen that's right so anyway now let's let's go to sewage sewage is um basically you know south and a little

bit east of gunnison and um just right over the mountain range basically and it feels like gunnison they'll have die off they'll have heavy winters like gunnison's high elevation in and of itself the town and then you go over the mountain sewage is high elevation too but for some reason that mountain just it shields on the rain shadow yeah and you just you get that whole alamosa valley and all that country in there does well they winter well in there that country though the the habitat does not look like deer habitats a lot of yellow grass and trees chris i mean it just doesn't look like that's not like gorgeous bitter brush cliff rose i mean that's just yeah the way it is a lot of it goes from dark timber to the yellow grass and i think that is one of the one of the benefits of some of that higher

country it'd be super hard to hunt but it does save some deer and so there is a chance of having some older age class bucks because they can hide out in that timber until late the best bucks in the state were killed in that country uh last year and so anyway we know there's older age class bucks it doesn't have the genetics again that say some of that eagle country 44 does 35 36 but they have older older deer and they killed a number of really good deer there's some private in there you're going to have to deal with a little bit but there's so much public a lot of good access very easy to hunt great potential um you know but you're going to also weed through chris how many 150 160 inch deer yep just a lot of smaller deer maybe that's the case everywhere yeah yeah you know yes you got some of this country bronson like this 82 86 all that uh no thanks no i'm just saying that's i know

that's a brutal got some high country in it that that's the years ago sangra increased the range that's right ago it produced giant and it and it still can it feels they do have some early high country stuff there frankly if i was looking at a bigger deer i would probably look at those just to be able to scout and hunt a deer earlier it feels like you would look for a bigger deer within those units look at the early if i had looked at those units yeah i would look early wouldn't you i mean personally either that or i i might even consider if you could draw the fourth season a fourth maybe this year where it's so late you might have some of those timber bucks coming down and it is so much country from high to low there it feels like a lot of range for deer to be caught up if it's just a little bit of snow they're not coming down but yeah so i'd say if you got a

crushing snow and it feels like those deer in 82 and 68 79 80 81 they'll run a little later in that valley they're not they don't run as early as other parts of colorado so just because it hits november everybody's like oh where's the rut they still won't run i tell guys that i had a 79 fourth yeah and i saw zero rut until the very last day and it was barely yeah there were three points on on the does and at 68 i killed a buck that was lip curling but it was on the fourth dude i mean they do not they do and that's what i guess back to 21 22 10 up in meeker they rudder they rudder they rudder they do on the boat cliffs deer right across in utah they're rutting in the end of october yes they'll start yes and remember i killed that buck up there in 22 in 2018 totally stupid first few days into november i don't remember what it was but within the first week i'd have to look

totally rut dead rut and there is no rut down there so there are we talk about that to guys on the phone i mean this year you might see it third season more so than you ever have on a third and fourth potentially but takes a lot of points to draw those units in the fourth but but that's just something to keep in mind all that country has a lot a lot of high country on the east side of the alamosa valley and the and it just comes right down to the foothills it's straight down that's right it's kind of like the wasatch front but maybe even on steroids more right it just goes even higher but it looks like that in terms of and then just drop now there's not a million people at the foothill living there like there is in the wasatch front i'm not trying to put it that way the wasatch also doesn't have 14 000 foot no it doesn't it goes higher but but you'd also it's

very unpopulated it doesn't have a lot of people there um it's got some sanding there's some bad land stuff out there but it's but like you said there's a limited amount of winter range considering where they're all coming from i don't know how to say that there's a lot of open flats too but it's you know anyway okay so you mentioned the late dates and how that would help 82 and some of that country and i and you're 100 right conversely we have a new four season of unit 40 and we skipped over that a little bit but those deer bronson we know this well where they want to go dude they go to utah a lot of them at least least from the on the east or the west half of the unit they'll migrate into utah and by the fourth they might be in utah done third they might be well yeah and you're looking at that's a unit um like we said five 16 16 16 16 7 that country moving into wyoming is another option

um probably you got some of these 75 we talked about those so there's a few of those with the super late dates it may be it may seem great to be hunting deer that time you may be hunting tracks i mean you're gonna have some deer but you're gonna be hunting trails that have left and it just something to think about risk you run that risk i would be very cautious there are certain people i've talked it out of people this year on some of these units we just thrown out for that very reason a you've got to remember the fourth season starts the day before thanksgiving goes till sunday it's a short five-day window you're giving up your thanksgiving and your family and that may be great maybe you're taking your family but a lot of people when you tell them when it actually the fourth season is and it registers oh i can't do that i've got plans over thanksgiving

thanksgiving overrides that and maybe should but but it's also you got to think about this matching up the right unit now there are a lot of units in the central part of colorado with a lot of high country that if you can draw forth you could potentially hunt a buck that nobody's hunted all year long that was a timber dweller chris we've talked a lot of units a lot so many units in colorado like that and that's definitely possible in a year like this but having said that most of them take so many points to draw sometimes i mean let's take let's take 35 36 we we bash that one to death it's a 15 point unit for a fourth and it's you can draw it with zero zero third third on a year like this so i mean are you gonna burn i mean you run on that risk i mean for me mentally we get asked this a lot where do you burn your points well i generally have a philosophy myself you two i guess because we

talk too much to each other but i i try to use my points somewhere where i only can draw a certain tags i'm never gonna be able to find your way i can't find a lanter tag and we don't buy expensive lanter tags but if if you can't find one ever i'm not only way i'm ever gonna hunt a unit is if i burn my points there and that's what we've done the last couple times we burned our point that's right and if you can for me it's kind of like those guys that can hunt the same time on an early muzzle loader or the early rifle with the same dates you can go with zero to one point or you're gonna burn 10 with a rifle it's hard for me to burn 10 with a rifle when i can go with zero with a muzzle loader now i know you have a long range rifle in your hands but it's still mentally hard for me i agree to burn 10 points where i could go with the muzzle loader the same seasons at the same time i agree

100 it's hard and so you want with the points you want preferential treatment a if you go forth the nice thing is is you've got all the elk hunts are on a limited draw then it's nice not to have over-the-counter elk hunters yeah and you have limited deer tag numbers so that's that's what you're buying with your points that's what you're getting on a 35 and you get a little bit later season dates but they're cutting off a couple days so i don't know then so we've covered a lot of that i mean it just we kind of ground through it you got the eastern plains we have outfitters that were uh work out there you can get landowner tags for those guys or they're easy draws meaning five or less points you know some of the late season the december 1st hunts take a little bit more depending on the unit um i've had a lot of that country down in the south the very southeast

portion that 136 137 143 hunted some of that 142 obviously mentioned that but we're having outfitters and guys all the way all the way clear clear up through the entire eastern portion of the state doing well depending on the unit and how their ranches are managed and you know quality seems to come and go a little bit the earlier seasons these guys they get wide open wide open ag and and whatnot where they can glass and see them it's not necessarily better in the rut sometimes when you go the december hunt you're dealing with a lot of broken bucks it's just right at the end of the rut and then you've got archery in november and and uh whatnot and so and well even longer than that but anyway you're dealing with the archery rut hunts and whatnot guys are doing well out there if you get the right outfitter you got a lot of wind you bet them you stock them you kill them and they're also

the early rifle hunts are doing really well they're catching them before they're broke up and they're glassable and i'd say guys that want to go guided that's a great option if you got points you want to go guided get a tag even if you don't have many many points i mean going those early everybody thinks of the december 1st rifle hunts when they go to the plants they want to hunt then but a lot of times they're broken up or they're tougher to kill sometimes sometimes that late october hunt dropped with zero to two points um another thing to talk about you mentioned outfitters chris is i knew we were going there we have to talk about it why why is colorado so hard to find blm and forest permits are just a problem that's the the way that they allocate blm and forest permits to guides and outfitters are is as unlike any other state it really is and so it's not like other states where

fit or an outfitter in business that operates in you know 10 to 20 units or more throughout the state you know utah nevada arizona and have guys that they hired that they do these three or four units and these guys do these two or three units you you get your areas in colorado and you can buy multiple areas and there's a few people that have two or three areas around the state but they still do about three units and it's unbelievable you just don't they don't issue a statewide blm or individual blm permits all over it's more like a more like a concession a forest service permit is more like a concession if that guy takes over-the-counter elk hunters and that's what he's done his whole life and he doesn't really specialize in deer maybe he doesn't even take deer hunters yeah because he can take over the elk over the counter and book them non-stop but the deer take 10 but i don't want to

deal with guys and points i just want to take my own value out like they come from back in the day you know they kind of value up that was the bread and butter guys from the east that's why you go to colorado for the numbers right and so it's a tough state and i guess just to maybe not belabor a dead horse but if you're thinking of using an outfitter it might already be too late i don't want to i don't want to squelch your hopes and dreams but the predictable nature of when you know or very on the verge of drawing a colorado deer tag allows you to book a hunt with an outfitter and no there's not a it's not a nevada random chance if you have 15 points and you're gonna apply for a seven point unit go ahead and pay that out for a deposit yeah you're gonna go there's but if you have seven points and it took seven points probably wouldn't pay that outfitter deposit and guy and

guys have been doing it for the last year or two carter because they've been seeing the dates and no i'm gonna book for 2021 so you'll and this happens for i know we're switching to elk but you happens for elk and other things because of what we're talking about 40 finite numbers of tags that's right you know when you're gonna draw guys are in line in a queue basically you're going in 2021 i got all my guys for 2022 booked it's very common and now there's always a few people that maybe mess up applications don't draw they should have drawn whatever but but it's a tough state but fortunately for a lot of colorado if you've hunted mule deer enough it's a great state also there's a lot of options to just go draw a tag take a camp or stay in a motel do your hunts base it up and just do public land hunts it's a blast i love hunting there with my kids you know my wife we have a great time over

there it's just awesome you get to see a lot of game um with ease so to speak with ease you've got great season dates that allow them to be somewhat vulnerable easy to find easy glass kids are seeing game and uh you know tags are easy to come by i mean there's not a year if you want to hunt colorado there's not a year you can't go that's the bottom line yep and simply put you can apply for second and third choice tags fourth choice tags to get a leftover and uh still gain a point if you don't draw your first if you draw your second through fourth you're going to gain a point and you get a tag later on you can turn it back for a refund i mean there's options um and so you should always hunt colorado i guess that's the point of this wanted to kind of go over everything because we're getting ready to consult on it for a solid 30 days 30 days pretty heavy um one thing we get

asked quite a bit in in colorado too is you know if i'm going to apply for it and can i withdraw it later on you can't we got that question a couple times this week you can withdraw or modify your application up until april 6th then you're then you're in some states allow you to do that later you know after that deadline for a period of time colorado's april 6th if you apply and want to change it you can do that the other thing though this year jason's kind of nice they moved the draw results up about a week or 10 days maybe um used to be about 5th of june or something like first week of june that played into wyoming deer and antelope draw and idaho right and people would not have their colorado results back in time before they had to apply for those which are normally you know june 5th in idaho or you know may 31st june 1st in wyoming this year it'll be may 24th

through the 28th they basically do one species a day they don't always tell you what order they're doing it in but they got what deer elk antelope bear moose right yep they'll all come up they'll just come up one at a time and one day we're all checking checking checking anyway and so you're going to know that before some of those other states uh wyoming deer wyoming deer is a and an idaho deer are great kind of last minute to get them applied you know so that's that's another i guess bone we got through that's yeah it's kind of cool i think it's i think it's great so everybody in this room on the heels of say uh arizona elk who's still not charging my car are they charging yours bronson no i don't think they have a computer that can do it well they may have a computer but they don't have a programmer that can make it happen they don't have computers

talking they're struggling computers aren't talking we like arizona we'd like the people there we work with the game and fish having said that it's a little bit tough this year to get results out get the charge uh cars charged well they're just forcing us to use their portal system and i just think it was just a little getting the cart before the horse uh having said that um we should be knowing results soon and you guys as well we want to talk to you we also uh we you know if you draw a tag we can help you find an outfitter um speaking of arizona or any other states that come out um or we can also send you a list of members who've hunted your unit in the past we have a member membership experience uh program here at epic outdoors for those of you that are paying members that's all included in the hundred dollar membership as well so use it if you draw a tag give us a call if you

need a member experience list or an outfitter suggestion we've vetted them we've used them for years we know who's producing we know who's can continually on top of their a-game so we sell optics here at epic outdoors if you need anything swaro vortex leica zeiss six hour give us a hauler our prices will not be beat um bronson and i uh wyatt devin any of us can quote you a price on optics and like i say there's no there's nobody out there that'll do better so anyway uh give us a hauler um we've got a lot of stuff in stock we've stockpiled some some legit serious uh optics in-house to be able to help uh service our membership meet the covid demands also want to give a quick shout out to moa rifles they've got an awesome setup yeah use the little sheila myself and uh she's a she's a shooter tack driver love it six five prc great packing gun i end up getting why don't we ever name guns boy

names well do you guys well you is it kind of like an old truck is an old betsy or something like that never a boy name never chuck here's my jeep truck chuck maybe it is but i don't know yeah meet chuck i did have a client that say oh meat in the pot i always meet in the skillets there's meat in the pot meat in the skillet i've heard that i don't know anyway talk about sheila in my way i did awesome awesome good awesome rifle uh well built um bob beck and the guys up there know what they're talking about build you a great great rifle um check them out moarifles.com or call them 541-526-1820 check them out also we got our good buddy cheston davis he runs phone scope and uh pyro putty he's a good dude over there he's just continually uh making new items and going crazy over there um keeping up with all the different phones that are coming out by the way i got a new 12

i had to learn how to use phones all over again yeah why because there's no home button just little things like that ticked me off have you got a phone scope for it yet no he says he's making one soon so anyway he's he's a good dude over there phone scope guys we know a lot of the different employees they're serious hunters they know what they're doing and uh you know anymore we're all videoing through our phones i mean that's how you that if you don't video it didn't happen um so anyway phone scope p-h-o-n-e-s-k-o-p-e or go to www.pyropuddy.com you can google these things search them on instagram facebook i don't know 14 other apps probably and uh be able to purchase products from them super good people great products stuff we use every day last shout out we want to give is to vortex uh we're also a dealer for them as we've been mentioning um they've been a long

time supporter and advertiser for us here not only for their optics but they're also ramping up their tripod game and we've got some of those in stock some of their carbon fiber uh backpacking like their summit carbon twos got those in stock got some ridge views carbons and uh if you're looking for a tripod to upgrade or for whatever application give us a call and check us out uh and we'll give you a quote on the tripod that you're looking for based on backpacker we we ordered some of those summits knowing they'd be in high demand you know bronson we've got a lightweight backpacking type tripod which is exactly what this is with the summit carbon two but it's not made anymore and it's 15 years old and if the leg i know breaks we're screwed yeah that's right you know we're done nice yeah anyway that comes

with a head and a plate all inclusive i mean we're talking much under 400 as a whole package they sell it as what they're calling a kit and it's awesome it's small it's compact it's light we've already sold multiple kits sent them out the door didn't even we had them we didn't even have them priced in our shop yeah and i'm like holy cow people are calling on them you'll see it's super hard to find a backpackable tripod that's worth having you'll see if you go to uh march issue the magazine yet or it's on the emag you can see the inside back cover you'll see a uh ad for the uh tripods there but you can also go to vortex v-o-r-t-e-x.com as well find out more information about them probably out of the specs weights all that you know all the weight sensitive guys weight sensitive well like that yeah for when you pack i'm not talking about everything's all about weight everything huh

cutting off toothbrush what's not about weight we're talking rifles tripods it doesn't uh massive if it's going i don't know everything's about weight cattle cattle cattle cattle weight what else steaks everything everything's about weight hey all right and the older i get if it's in my pack weight matters weight matters that's right all right we're gonna leave with that weight matters everybody you