EP 229: Hunting South of the Border

and he went to mexico he slammed a freaking stud right mexico was awesome this year you guys i have a saying if the deer is freaky or he has if he's different he's big anything to do with western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by under armor hey everybody jason carter adam bronson and chris peterson coming at you from southern utah it's a windy kind of snowy but not really bronson it's just cold and it's really cold adding injury to insult or is it insult injury insult to injury why it's adding all that teasing because there's no precip and it's just winding cold crazy frigid frigid yep i mean it's still above zero some people think well it was three three at my place with 20 mile an hour lens where's your place do you have do you have open water lines and no they're well i turn them on long enough to water horses and then

some some of it seeps into the ground and then the other comes up on top and so you got because so chris gets a new place new place for chris and ends up with a water break and that sucks huh yeah main water line broken but you've replaced a lot of it right yeah well on there and everything yeah we replaced all the plumbing on the inside and there was one stretch of pipe on the outside that was old and when we turned the pump back on there was too much pressure well we've i mean do you consider yourself a plumber because we got a few projects you could do at my place nope i hire that job out we've already talked about yours what the keyhole to turn off your sprinkler system how it's bent fitness yeah it's 20 feet under and i gave you the idea of let your give your kids a shovel in the summer job yeah you don't give you don't give kids nowadays a shovel you go to jail for that

anyway there's a lot going on in the hunting world right now everybody uh bronson we just freaking cranked out wyoming elk that's over with however what i love about that is you can amend till may 9th what's the word you like to use i don't know what plug and play yeah you can plug and play you can change your mind i love that the only thing you can't change is from regular to special or vice versa but you can change your unit or pull out of your unit all together and in either case you have to get a point in the summer anyway remember that they don't give you one after the draw you got to go buy it in the summer anyway so you're gonna have to do that if you can't go your plans change or your units change or you get bolder or or whatever whatever change it mix it up get drawn made me feel better on the deadline day i applied for something gotta have a name in the hat and i

don't know i'll probably change it a few times you can just change hats you gotta change hats i like change stuff so anyway there you have it the rest of the species well they're not due yet yeah they triple here at the end of the month we got some more do we got sheep moose goat the end of the month and then march into the month you got bison then you got antelope and deer in wyoming the end of may but we've got arizona elk and antelope here on the front burner february 8th and remember your hunting license needs to be valid on the deadline day so you can get a twofer like a lot of my family thankfully there's expired february 8 2022 so it's good now but it's also a false twofer because they got to buy it for the deer and sheep later anyway so yeah so whatever just pushes it whatever hey but pay later but that's what we do nowadays we pay later we buy now and pay later huh that's

right but anyway that's coming up so get those in there is no amend process there no speaking of this is what you're gonna get if you if you find out you put in for a cow tag in arizona let's not even talk about it that's a negative no that makes me feel how many calls have we had this year i've got one today and i've had several i know okay the only thing you're gonna be able to do and if you call the game and fish this is what they're going to tell you to do is to remember you have until roughly the end of february they set a deadline to update your card to the 27th to update your card hey we're about to run the draws if your card's gone bad from the time when you applied to now better update it well if you messed up go get the go get the walmart special go buy the 25 or 10 or whatever visa prepaid card needs to be a valid card number they're gonna call you and say hey

and but it won't have a valid amount to crush an antelope or a deer tag or an elk tag for a non-resident and you're gonna get rejected but you will still get your point they will tell you the same thing i just told you i know it sounds rinky dink that's what they're it is they will not change it over the phone and they is only if you get through the 14 layers of you can do whatever you want they will not change your cow choice even if the deadline's still open they're not going to do it i contend that's how they sell cow tags probably what do you think that's part of the plan remember in the summer sometimes when we listen to the commission meeting right prior to like the elk and sheep stuff trying to get some of their numbers and you'll have like 20 25 cow guys going before the commission trying to get every one of them did you have point guard no i didn't think i

needed i only put in for early bull hunts ever i would always take that tag so i don't buy point guard i know i don't then they turn to their people and say was there a problem on our part and they would answer no there's no problem on our part 25 times too bad enjoy the cow tag no soup for you exactly it's so what do you say nowadays you'd think there'd be a simple process it's not simple in arizona we we love arizona i like the people there work with them well having said that the process is terrible yeah luckily there's no dough and what else ticks me off is you got to go through you apply for elk you got to go back all the way back through and do antelope if you're doing points only it'd be nice just to do a smash and grab and for six family grab a tag grab it you know grab a point grab a point check out 12 checkouts for a family of six and then that's me

family of six i did it it took all afternoon i need to hire somebody do you know anybody that does i need to hire somebody i'll do it for a fee oh anyway we make sure they're done right yep okay so having said that that's what we're up against right now we're cranking out uh elk and antelope in arizona the awesome thing is um you know they've had some good moisture they went in late fall yeah early fall late fall early winter and now that's where we're at kind of midwinter waiting to see what the rest of it's going to look like but they had a great shaped up well great monsoon season later in the summer last year going into the fall they did fairly well had a couple big storms late fall during winter been okay much better than last year so we're green we consider like we'd like a lot of snow right now we won't we want standing water everywhere because we're in a

drought in southern utah too yeah speaking of utah that application period opened and uh for those of you that applied last year and bought a hunting license speaking of twofers uh you might check that check your receipt from last year see if you had to buy a license last year hunting license only has to be valid the day you apply yep unlike arizona when it's going to be done valid on deadline day which is the 8th this year in february utah just has to be valid the day you check out that's it so you can get a true twofer uh go check your receipts check uh whenever you applied last year if it made you buy one better check you could go on the online licensing and look it up print go to the reprint whatever yeah go look it up when you go or if you have your file saved check it'll have your stamp stamp on there if you see you bought one on february 21st this year you better apply by the 20th

this year and it won't make you buy another one for 72 dollars for non-residents how about that tip well i mean it's not a real tip what's interesting about utah is you don't even have to have a valid hunting license when you're hunting it's weird just has to be valid the day you apply that's your day to purchase it's weird yeah you don't kind of interesting so anyway it's open what is that march 3rd i believe march 3rd i'm going from memory on that but that's all species i think it's two weeks after that but kind of awesome non-residents could apply for everything how about that yeah they do residents they discriminate against us well huh i don't mind necessarily what would our odds be if we could apply for everything about like non-residents yep that's right so anyway we do have to as residents choose we get deer elk or antelope and then one of the once in lifetimes i'm doing

deer jason doing antelope so we're not competing come on come on really no no i just took a guess i just guess oh i'll never do antelope they are growing on me really abs pipe yeah huh big ones just not how about this i even phone scoped an antelope and showed it to you yeah it's big it's big well i mean you know right shoot it opening day a minute after opening i think it's got some basal points yeah cheaters maybe i don't know do you think chris they kind of grow on a guy yeah it's just not in the state of utah that's right not in utah no how about how about it's a long drive how about devin just barely bragging to us how awesome his antelope is he's he said he's gonna burn all of his points in wyoming just because he's gonna be out of this antelope i says even though it's just him and his wife you could be out of antelope meat two people in two and a half weeks it's so i mean

there's not enough there's 22 and a half pounds and that's if you take all the forearm and everything all the sinew everything huh bone in bone in so funny and i mean he's like he's not even gonna share it you realize when you well you motioned about this big of a state i did a circle about the size of a silver dollar because by the time he looked at you like that's that's twice of what i'm gonna bring but that's about by the time you you hang it uh antelope back strap and it gets the rind on it and then you got to trim all that off when you actually cut it up it's about that big yeah just a nugget can we call that a nugget okay well or medallion is that what they call those i don't know i think they're called medallions aren't they that's probably what a restaurant in between a medallion and a nugget okay it's pretty funny the size of a mcdonald's chicken nugget let's just that everybody

knows he's gonna have more tonight he's gonna have it tonight we said well bring us some of this we'd love to have it he looked at you like you were stupid and i'm like he acted me like like well how much you gonna pay me it's so funny i don't know but never tasted good broadson i've had a good one i've had good ones and i've had really bad ones but anyway whatever he's he's into it he's even fall around it right now he's talking about antelope yeah he's like if if they don't if those does will taste like this buck i'll kill them all devin can pure protein he can he can have all the antelope i'm cool with that just not the ones that look like they got abs pipe on their head kind of into those huh yeah bronson you too the horn you started all the horns shorter than airs he can have he can have those you've looked at the points you got you've got plans tell us about them

i don't know that i have plans i've got a bunch in wyoming again and a bunch of nevada but nevada's just a pipe dream you draw when you're like abs but yeah exactly but wyoming is a little predictable but you know due to my schedule my september's pretty busy this year oh yeah i don't know if i'm gonna i don't know if i'm gonna use them up there this year or not unless i can find something late august or october we'll see but i don't need to force it i've got a bunch of kids with points and you know i can go together with them sometimes so i'm not making my plans first and foremost about filling my freezer with antelope meat a b i'm not making my plans first and foremost based around antelope in general like you carter so i'm not i'm not i'm not but i'm ready to kill some stuff dude i've been buying optics like it's my job so my guns so so a lot of my guns have the old

style reticles the old style meaning a lot of people still use them i'm old for my guns meaning like the old suaro brh reticle or brx or whatever where basically there's just matt they're just reticles and they're random and they come in at random yardages right and so anyway i've got a few guns like that and then just just other random stuff and i'm like they need to be updated so i've been updating with some pretty to get turrets awesome stuff turrets without line scope yeah and i don't mind i don't mind the lines if they come in at good even yardages like mark thompson's systems they're awesome dead on dead on dude you killed a gun with mark's gun it was or killed what i've killed sheep a lot elk yeah but recently you took it this last year oh ty killed his elk in idaho with that thing yeah how far 715 that's my point so i i like that when there's a

system set up but just random just random lines where you kind of have to figure out where they come in at it's fine the computer will tell you where they come in at but there's just better systems and so anyway i've been updating stuff like crazy and i'm excited dude i'm freaking lay some stuff down good speaking of optics first poor antelope that's set for front of that new setup is is in trouble well speaking of what were you what were you saying about that little skinny necked antelope to dev it like well i i held up you know the size of whatever my wrist sounds like my wrist that's the size of a neck on a doe on a doe if you skin it out i think with the height on they're that big it's kind of like a coyote they're they're even smaller i've never skinned one out but i can imagine i see the pencil neck thing it looks like what are all those african ones like and gazelle

and all those things they are just it feels like if you hit that spine with a burger it would be pretty but very humane very oh yeah and not ruin any meat which was my point to devon that's what you need to do shoot right behind the ear but but i don't know if that don't you have to leave evidence of sex attached to the body isn't that the head on a doe i don't know i don't know you could leave some other parts okay usually you can want to get rid of that but you do i do but anyway kind of pretty funny to visit about but anyway so yeah i'm updating a lot of optics and whatnot um but anyway we that was just a tangent i don't know why it's just on my brain we're talking about range finders you're we've got the some new range finders coming out we're carrying some wasi range finders let's face it you know you know stuff different stuff whether it be a gun setup that you like or

reticles or your eyes or just the methodology of shooting from line shooting you know gap shooting with the line turret scopes or an actual turret scope versus reticle scope we go through different phases we think we've got the best ever and just i don't know five or ten years we need illuminated why do we need illuminated well because we're old because you're 45 you need a dot i'm telling you i'm into the illuminated now where you're hunting it last light whatever that is legal last light and you can't hardly see in those rifle scopes yeah a black crosshair on a dark animal just doesn't work i'm kind of into this illuminated thing right now so it doesn't have to be the whole crosshair but these dots and the z8i swaroscope they are awesome huge fan so speaking of you said speaking of optics where were you going with that well the

only thing i was thinking about besides all these deadlines new mexico march 16 we're applying for that of course good moisture down there too oregon may 15th i know you're excited about that i don't even apply there we're really excited about the xbox you do too dude you killed a sheep up there well that was in 2008 they've got premium tags that are awesome one in 500 a thousand it's not worth me i don't i've done it anymore yeah it's crazy i know okay but those premium tags are they are they are incredible not quite enough of a carrot for me to bite off the 200 no but if you would have seen what i've seen just it's just something about it well it's like a governor tag in each unit august 1 to december 31 yeah with a rive 30 yeah or november yeah i don't know yeah a long time unbelievable anyway it just gets me excited about all these deadlines gets me excited about february

10th to the 13th we're going to be at the expo bronson we have been two years inventory like again it's our job well we are back that's what we're trying to say we've missed everybody for two years nice to rub shoulders visit face-to-face talk and uh we're going to be there like i said next week by the time you're listening this it might be this week but the 10th to the 13th um i have a big booth the biggest booth we've ever personally had well we've always had it but we've shared we've shared it but it's all ours now yeah and uh we've added the optics to it which we were prepared to do last year but of course the the in-person event got canceled so we've got a lot of room we're bringing a lot of optics there maybe we'll run through some of that real quick with i mean if you've been thinking about it we're going to have it there to be able to look at um

we're gonna have tripods set up you've got quite a list there i do but i what i think is funny is it's about a tenth of what we really got yeah it is but these are maybe these are ones you're excited about and i don't know why you're i'm not really excited but i just want to read off a few examples we've ordered inventory like it's our job the one thing about covid is it's hard to get anything it's hard to get a truck it's hard to get anything hard to find toilet paper right chris hard to find a plumber it's hard to find plumbing parts it's hard to find anything i don't know why so when you can we'd latch our hooks deep into it sink it and we and we order months and months in advance so we've got a grundle of freaking optics uh which we're proud of bronson i mean it's it's fun it's fun for us to do we get to have great pricing for our membership it's just awesome so like anything

there's going to be gaps in skews that we have that you know if we don't have it nobody has it that's pretty much what we're going to say in this regard because well i'm going to say it there's a lot of stuff that's been on backorder for six to twelve months and nobody has probably the most the hardest hit are probably rifle scopes of all manufacturers whether it be suaro zeiss vortex like anybody rifle scopes just due to the the technical components and assembly you can find a three to nine buy it yeah vx1 vx1 okay keep going but uh outside of those and and then the nl purers because and the eo range tas which we had a ton of them for a while again they have and then now they've got a chip in those and that's a backlog just the chip in them so there's a few gaps like that we are going to be bringing some eights and hopefully tens of the expo and 12 a pair of 12 to just be able to look

through uh probably not going to be able to sell anybody that one but so we're going to watch that one like a hawk but we've got you know every uh objective lens for the uh you know atx stx series spot scope 65 85 95 and 115s if you want to look at 115 see if that's your next purchase next toy we're going to have them there uh big swirl uh in uh inventory of uh bino spotting scopes all that type of stuff vortex scopes all the razors 65s 85s you're going to have all those tons of those binos tripops from vortex a few different rifle scopes as well leica um got a stack of the 2800.com 3500.com range finders those are very popular range finders are hard right now in in all those are bluetoothable smart ones the smart range finder is is where we're at yep that's our we also got uh the new revik br4 we've

got plenty of those and the revik tripods we're going to be bringing um zeiss binoculars 15s 10s and a splattering of their different rifle scopes so no matter what you're looking for stop by the epic booth let us uh give you a price on something and uh we'll treat you right and just want to kind of give you a heads up of the stuff we're going to be bringing and we're going to be bringing everything we got nothing to stay in here no well maybe a couple things but a couple skews we're we're super excited anyway we also in our booth it's going to be 20 it's a 20 by 50 booth we got the biggest animals taken the last couple of years especially mule deer yeah we do and uh it's going to be awesome it's a great place to hang a lot of room not going to be quite as uh tight as it has been in the past and you know we're looking forward to seeing everybody so be there for four full days like it

or not we're there so super fun super exciting it'll be it'll be awesome of course chris you're going to be there that's right what are you going to be doing i'm going to be in the booth we're going to be talking to everybody all around and we'll be singing at night and work in the booth in the day okay okay we might be doing that wednesday night huh wednesday night what time chris um i think six or seven probably i don't know i think it's about six or seven yeah it's in the main ground ballroom at the salt palace same place i'm same place yep in the ballroom wednesday night kind of i don't know if that's the official welcome back but i think it is that's what they call it welcome back party it'll be awesome so anyway hunt expo february 10th to the 13th at the salt palace going to be awesome

you go hunt expo.com of course you'll want to apply for the five dollar tags that's above and beyond the regular application period and the regular application tags so anyway make sure you get in for those you can need to validate those in person so come do it yeah if you buy those online right now it saves you some time there but unlike last year you have to actually come this year and validate it in person show a picture id and sam here and they'll make sure then they enter you in the draw that's right so anyway february 10th to the 13th hunt expo.com all right you know another thing maybe i don't know bronson they're talking about maybe revisiting the trail camera topic here in utah kind of beat that one yeah to death we don't even really want to talk about it i don't but people are asking if they do we'll talk about it that's my i mean they're asking about it but until something's

that even there's another hearing or vote or anything i mean i i mean it's kind of like speculating speculating i don't know i'm so wore out of it i honestly don't even care just go away hey it'll be nice if they go back to where we can run them year round or whatever either way right i don't care um just let me go on take my just let me let me let me still go on and use anything you want anywhere you want whatever you want no but some people think you can't hunt without bait and trail cameras too and that's not true so i'm just taking that stance very firmly that some people think they're taking away their rights it's not a right you can't shoot deer at night with the spotlight either that's that's it maybe that's maybe it is all right maybe we should be able to do that yeah well it's never was allowed to happen so you never had to take it away but if it was ever allowed to

happen some people would fight for that i contend as hard as they would be baiting and anything else so what what constitutes a right versus a privilege versus a tonning tactic in your mind well rights i think have to do with constitution yeah constitution or god-given you know rights of a person you know right like that versus like to bear arms yeah and right to life free speech pursuit of happiness you know freedom of religion those types of things not hunting tactics not just killing anything or scouting however i want when i want no not i want to use a 80 let off versus 750 no that's a god-given right no per se i'm just wondering i'm just not playing john for a minute because john he comes up with some crazy stuff but hey we're all hunters too at the same time but what i really hate is hunters

we're fighting so hard against hunters right now and then you're looking at states like colorado they're fighting for their freaking life when it comes to like hunting mountain lions and bears against the anti-hunters that that are infiltrated that state so that's why i'm kind of more sick of this than anything in utah fighting over how to hunt they're dealing with wolf introduction and they're willing about wolves and now no lions with dogs which means you're never going to kill any lions because unless they get hit on the highway they're not dying there's big you're just saying there's big big fights out there and we're fighting we're just let's just make this go just but having said that i don't really care the one thing that would bother me a little bit is they had a vote and you get a few of the loud that want to revisit it which honestly they've they've run oh it went through

the public process at five public meetings throughout the state surveys the majority wanted to go to a nevada based system so whatever i don't know i guess it would bother me a bit if they were kind of browbeat into revoting and changing their votes i just think i don't know you already voted yeah whatever but anyway having said that we'll let you know what happens and honestly i i don't care doesn't i do not care anyone but what i'm gonna do i i mean it personally i it'd be nice to maybe you know limit the technology a little bit to a degree can it all be perfect and can we just revisit every aspect maybe we need to but but whatever if we can't do this let's just not do anything and call it a day and keep complaining about quality you also can't complain about quality everybody and we're hearing a lot of a lot of people they they they whine that basically you know trail cams

aren't going to increase populations well that's true i don't think it is i don't think it's going to increase populations but the fight these the loud guys are are really loud about the absence of quality poor quality i you know besides populations and numbers quality lack of numbers of quality of bucks and that trail cams don't help them if they don't help they wouldn't why are you fighting so hard i don't get it all right but anyway so that's kind of interesting um you know that's coming looks like it's coming back we'll see for who knows anyway also want to throw a shout out to triple s polaris here in cedar city utah our own hometown super good people we know them personally and by their ourselves it's four three five eight six five zero one hundred got the epic edition of course we're gonna have to leave this home we go to the expo because we're taking our trailer yeah taking the

enclosed trailer the epic trailer up there all our optics yeah well it's also winter time and it's not got a cab so i'm not going to be driving i haven't been driving that lately no no but it is kind of in the summer pretty awesome it's some people's hair back it just dries my head off

you step on it it's that thing moves oh it is it's pretty awesome what what a crazy machine anyway a650100 i actually it's four three five eight six five zero one hundred i forget we're talking to non-residents a lot on this podcast based in city city utah but if you're within a half day day's drive there and want a great deal give colton and the guys there a call check it out um two of our other partners that are going to be at the western hunting conservation expo long time supporter of ours as well as the uh western hunting conservation expo is red rock precision kurt and his crew will be there it's it's very nice i've i've several times when i've needed them to build a new gun for me or brother or whatnot i've made the final decision on stock feel style all that right there when i can put several guns like maybe as soon as seven ten days

ago you ordered one well i i ordered the basics of it but i'm going to finalize it at the expo when i put a couple to my shoulder because i just certain stock feels and all that i'm like that's the one i want i actually the scope that i got last time was because i saw it there had some locking turret uh locking locking turret depressing buttons on the one of the scopes that i bought and i wanted that so yeah uh redrock precision.com they'll be there at the expo as well kurt and the crew stop by their booth check out their guns uh get something on order tack driving we all have one of their guns here we all bought one and maybe more than one uh yeah that maybe was for maybe that maybe was for my wife because i may she doesn't know if i was talking about me or someone else yeah it's possible what

do you mean you didn't know that i bought 14 guns honey i said it on a podcast once that's right and the public so you're calling it clear your conscious is clear it's on the public record your conscious is clear that's right another one of our partners there and big time hunter is blaine st james of st james sporting properties i haven't looked at the skew the schematic yet he's usually fairly close to us up there um but he's going to be there as well he represents buying and selling hunting and recreational and ranch properties all over the western u.s um you know licensed in colorado idaho kansas montana new mexico oregon utah and wyoming stop by blaine's usually there himself along with uh duke and some of the other guys here in utah or else some of the folks that he brings over there from colorado there so uh or if you can't make it there check them out at

sj sporting properties dot com sj sporting properties sj standing for st james sporting properties so yeah anybody wants to bend his ear a little bit he's a trophy hunting fanatic he knows what he's doing knows people he's pretty awesome so anyway definitely a guy we're stopping visiting with regardless if you're interested in buying a property or if you're selling speaking of these publications we do have like i say we talked about it earlier february magazines at the printer and we'll be at your doorstep any point in time of course uh with covid and whatnot it's just tough we wish it was going to be there a few days earlier than it will be just because we're anxious ourselves yeah yeah just remember the emag's been on there for two three weeks already i realize i'm still the kind of guy i

like a paper mag too and i go to bed at night but you know a lot of people say i don't even care about the paper mag i just view it online um have you seen mine yeah i write all over yeah it is i write notes in it too and just just keep in mind they're all on there two to three weeks before you're going to get them in your in your hands and uh if you're antsy want to check out utah new mexico oregon stuff that's in that february jump online or they will be showing up any day i guess in your mailbox so anyway i think we should get in with a hunting story of some sort all right let's do it i don't know i haven't got anything really in mind what do we talk about one of chris's bucks right here how about how about this buck chris that was one it was probably your first time to the unit in colorado wasn't that when you killed that buck that's correct a first timer first 200 incher maybe

was that your first 200 i don't remember that was he's like i don't know looks like 33 to 5 he's got four inch chick kickers going out the sides i mean a big old hanger freaking busted off on the other side yeah dropper beams big eye guards i mean just what you go to call rattle for so so chris i know roughly where you killed that one what i really what i really want to know is how far away was this other one you shot just that one which one which one of the other five the one we killed this last year oh so that one was 460 yards but how far from this other 200 inch from this one as the crow flies northwest easter just teasing it was that was not real close okay i love chris's responses not real close uh how about this buck that one was very close to which one this that one oh wow kid wow that's a cool buck too he's like i've always met the asking he's got a deformed side chris you

ought to show this picture on the podcast so i the funny thing about that deer tooth or a broken foot or something i never noticed anything but the year before i was hiking up the ridge that i killed him on and i ran into that same buck but the year before he was swapped oh so his weird side his deformed side was on the left now it's on his right which is odd but he was way smaller the year before and i was just like oh that's a cool little deer and the next year he looked pretty good so so this big sucker i don't i honestly don't remember but hey it just popped on my head because it's sitting above my head so maybe we should tell the story chris so was out several several days into the hunt hadn't seen anything great since seen some good four points and good bugs but nothing season if you remember or second this was third season okay yeah nothing great and it was

starting to get real cold um but just out one day and getting to that time where you're thinking the day is almost over you're about ready to head back for the afternoon and i decided to give this hillside one last look and i glassed it with my binoculars and and then this is way back before btx ever existed but i was like i'm gonna get my spotting scope and just because a lot of times those those deer will bed in the rocks or whatever and they're harder to see with your binoculars so i got out of spotting scope and i just slowly was just picking apart this hillside because you're basically out of time for the morning and all of a sudden in my scope i see this buck and immediately is he bedded or no he was just in the cedars um on the shaded side of a hill so he was still up but i just immediately

knew he was a good one so decided to get closer by the time i got closer he's just cresting the ridge and going out of sight and he turned and looked and and immediately did he did he hear you see or just coincidentally probably i'm gonna guess was you in rifle range no three four five six seven maybe no i bet he was eight or nine hundred back then 400 yards is a mile yeah that's what i mean 300 yards and i bet he was eight or nine hundred eight or nine hundred at the time and gotcha i watched him walk over the ridge he looked at me walked over the ridge and you're like okay yeah i said to my buddies i said that's a 30 incher no question and so the only thing to do basically is go up on top of the ridge and see if you can figure out where the buck went in the next canyon or draw so we hiked up this canyon and came around and i just decided to take it real slow and

i'm walking along walking along and i looked down elmer fudnut yep probably 250 yards below me there's a whole group of bucks probably seven or eight bucks standing there in a group and he was in there and so i set up sat down and put my gun on my pack and took my shot geez that was it no so he was alone when you saw him over the ridge or was he with some other bucks when you i think he had one or two with him then they met but then they must have met up with some more it was a big group by the time i got on to him bachelor groups of bucks third season is usually never a good sign right is it well i mean it just means they're not interested in does and i don't like that i'm over there to hunt bucks that are interested in those sounds like a good technique for that country that country though they rut late yeah it took us a minute to learn that yeah i i firmly believe that

they're much later far south and it it i i have nightmares of that buck i don't know why but it was so when you shot it and and we were just salivating over this deer i mean it's got a floating beam and like we called it that broomstick on the end of it now it doesn't look so broomsticky i mean it's you know what i mean but we just oh it was just that time and era and it was a gift yeah well you know what i mean also we'd been hunting call it out maybe jason but it was also kind of in its infancy it was kind of still new like hunting colorado was new and these are bucks that would take us on the utah general three years of tracking the same buck to kill over here and we went over there in a few days smash as a giant yeah you know what i mean yeah this is a limited entry pons or henry's buck in utah and for all intents and purposes chris you did that again this year and yet you and but

nowadays we're like man you hunted hard yeah i only saw one big one but and we're discouraged we're a little bit disgusted and discouraged that there's not more big ones but look at what the energy we're putting over there it's minimal compared to over here yeah minimal right yeah yeah disgusting what are you gonna do with this deer why why are we not seeing him on the wall um don't tell me you cut his throat no no no make sure he's in the freezer i'm just trying to decide oh you're getting a new house you got to pick your yeah that's he's a 200 incher dude i just don't have room for him right now knife handles yeah he's i've got some repos mate this skull's bleached and he's ready to go on a yeah the skull hooker but but he better yeah i wouldn't even have bleached that thing that thing would be well all right so let's call let's call a good friend of ours adam kearney and this is why

people are just getting done in mexico and he went to mexico he slammed a freaking stud right well over 200 inches let's and and he's a freaking good storyteller i don't know what it is about him yes you can't help but smile when you talk when you talk to him entertaining let's do it yeah and i wouldn't say he's a liar but he he embellishes to the point you would almost call him a liar let's get him on the phone he's fun to visit

carter big buck big back

what's up boss this is adam too how you doing doing good we want a big bug story from sonora tell us in spanish really tell us the story in spanish yep how good you're spanish chris is here if we need to interpret chris is here he can do it right i don't care it didn't have to be your mexico buck but it was kind of on our brain because everybody's getting done and you smashed a giant had a good time yeah no um mexico was awesome this year you guys i was really impressed it was uh i mean we i've never been on a hunt where seven eight days straight we saw a 200 inch deer every day sounds sounds like a high fence it was it was awesome come on it was not don't even don't even go down that road we know it's not the nearest high fence must be hundreds of miles away do you know um it's not close for sure yeah long ways away well that's the personal familiarity with ranch you've been there about

chase with adam i think and other friends and anyway it was a crazy year right just it was unbelievable just just the antler growth um and all the up-and-coming deer and just all the bucks in the 180s and 190s that i haven't seen since i was a kid in nevada it was it was amazing adam you talk about all these giants when you're a kid but i just think you have a bad memory right they were probably first are you aren't you younger than us i mean oh i'm just gonna come and ask you how old are you he's a baby 42 no you're not are you yeah wow you're getting old you're getting old kearney no i am i'm getting up there no he's not he talks about stuff as a kid and i think i i keep expecting to say when we were kids no he i i was he was a kid i wasn't yeah wow okay all right so my my daughter's looking at cars so i'm getting up there wow yeah i was working a deal on a truck today i heard it but

for ashley but the clarification that's that's twice a week for carter so it's not new no it hasn't worked on a vehicle for a while you go through trucks like like most people go through anyway tell us more about mexico so why why did you hunt seven or eight days before you slapped the trigger on a two hundo or was the deer you shot the one you really had your heart set on and wanted that one or did you miss one yeah or yeah go ahead go ahead you got the mic okay so uh

i uh i've hunted with jason a few times he knows i get a little excited sometimes but um i had i had a couple difficulties like i could have this was my target buck uh for sure this is the deer i i went there to hunt and i i definitely stuck to that deer a lot of guys will tell you they they stuck to a deer and they shot it for the deer that that didn't happen but um i just had some some issues in mexico the the second day on the hunt we had him uh bedded at 400 yards and uh i had some bad soup the night before so my outfitter was turning around looking for me and uh i had the messages on whatsapp to oh he was texting me while you were doing it he's got a big buck and he's telling me to shoot through whatsapp because it translates english to spanish and i'm nowhere to be found i'm over in the bushes uh they're texting each other 100 yards away

if you don't have a good clean out when you're down there something's wrong so it was it was definitely uh i told a couple people i mean people talk about uh shiz in the bed i i definitely did it come on well all right i was sick you guys i was hurting that wow so that dude so i had a i had it you should see the emojis mario sent me of adam and then all these emojis and i'm like oh he's struggling

yeah and and uh and don't load up on pepto's bismo either that doesn't that doesn't make sense either because then you're hurting the other way for a couple days so yeah you better be cleaned out before you stop up again yeah i got yeah so no it was uh it was something where we had the deer um the second day of the hunt 400 yards i i had some issues and then you know what um people always say don't tell your outfit do what the outfitter says and uh i've been on a few hunts i've killed a couple bucks i'm friends with carter now so i thought i was cool i suggested something different and sure enough the buck it hadn't done it for three days the outfitter wanted me to to uh sit on a certain spot and thought the buck would come in the evening we didn't do it and um we sprinted because the deer

came in we got there with you know maybe 10 minutes left to light and i couldn't get the deer in my scope i just i couldn't find them it was just too dark i could see him in my 15s but i couldn't couldn't see him in the scope so that was day four so definitely not the outfitter's fault he did a great job but i just had issues for the first four or five days so you needed a little bit than it needed to be you need an illuminated radical i did i did i learned i learned a lot though um i've never been in that type of light setting uh with my gun and i hadn't practiced enough just jason the one thing that over the years of hunting with you just come in prepared and i just wasn't prepared for that setting and and uh nobody's fault i just hadn't been i hadn't experienced that before yeah yeah you know so yeah that was day four long story short i had a great time in mexico um smashed a

giant you know he he's uh you're skipping you're skipping the good part there's four days we're you got to day four worse five six seven and eight i'm not telling you

it's okay go ahead you're amongst friends here you're amongst yeah i think i think it was uh at least or just tell us the time that it all came together if you want to go fast forward to the end sure well uh well i'll tell you one more little experience um i thought i had a a round chamber and i didn't and my gun my gun went click so oh geez this one thing after another what how many emojis came that how many 200 inches can come and go i mean i know i i literally shot at um three times at bucks over 200 inches and my gun never fired yeah some of it though was equipment failure yeah one time was equipment uh at least once was not having a you get you get fired up on those high racks

that quote needs to be the highlight of this podcast you do get fired up you do it's just things happen things happen fast on that fire you know you're you're sitting there you're laughing you're you're texting a little bit and you watched me smash one at like over 700 yards and you tried it yeah i'm just teasing i'm just teasing no no no no true true story i mean i'm telling you this on top of those high racks i'm good for 50 yards uh no no okay i full disclaimer though when when carter shot nobody moved when i was shooting the whole truck was okay okay it was like you had a it's not and these guys thought i was a jerk i'd be like don't move don't move and then i'm looking through the scope i'm like somebody's freaking breathing and i was ticked remember yeah dude you can't move and you have literally you you probably have a solid 25 30 seconds if you're lucky to shoot from the

high rack otherwise it's a done deal they're gone yeah yeah it's a different way to hunt it's it's no joke it's different yeah thick country especially that country down there you're close to the ocean they just get it's just thick things grow well not going back to why this was such a very good year they had an incredible monsoon season we talked about it earlier and how arizona had a great one late summer too late to do anything for deer and elk in most places but mexico just that those deer they grow much later than our deer and it it was chia pet down there for them it was it was amazing to see what proper nutrition and and some rain did you know it obviously it's a ranch where you know the majority of it it's it's private area so people can't access it but just just the the deer getting the proper feed and and the rain it was amazing i mean the buck i shot grew 42 inches we have the

sheds off the year before 42 what was he 205 ish or something i can't remember i'm not sure i'm rounding use around yep no 205 is close enough 208 it's okay same thing you know i'd say 10 it's legit tell me about so i haven't held it but tell me what you're telling me you know compared to sheds you've held and things like that the dense the dense antler yeah so i've never held um an antler that was so heavy like when i put the antlers in my hands off the buck i killed i was just blown away he was just so heavy and i don't mean heavy by mass because he was 37 and changed mass but i'm just talking about density like if you weight him on a scale and put him on a scale like it's like holding cement it was so it is it was pure cement in my hands how to be going back to that nutrition just laying it down and which goes back we we hear it a lot it's hard to quantify

but in some of these drought years elk more more than deer but they'll just bust a crap all over arizona and all that in the dry brutal years when there's not as much i guess dense bone being laid down it's it's growing but it's maybe it's more hollow or porous inside than just dense concrete yeah wow yeah even the hide was was heavy um it was weird like i uh a good buddy of mine went with me and just holding the bags of our hides um mine was much heavier than his it was it was interesting just the buck yeah yeah that's awesome prime of his life so to redeem myself slightly i did uh i did shoot the deer at 430 yards it wasn't a high rack shot um he finally came into where we thought i made the shot i did it did take me the third shot to hit him the first two i think i hit a feeder and a water source um it was pretty dark but so excited what i like though honesty i love it i mean nobody's

gonna admit it but we all we all hear we all know like we get to hear the stories you know yeah yeah don't matter not don't be proud it all happens i mean i am not proud i'm definitely not proud no raw honesty and the older i get there's other things that happen yeah i i have i have another 200 inch at the house and i'm that i'm very proud of i worked for it uh jason could attest to this that the ranch is a legit ranch like you you got to go down there and hunt it it kind of mexico is tough because there's so much going on down there nobody really wants to give you real props for killing a good buck down there and yeah what i've rather you're talking about all the high fence that nobody's talking about or whatever yeah just genetics being released there's just a lot going on down there and and uh but this is a legit ranch it's it's been hunted you know for a long time and and the

guy works hard at what he's doing and and he's kicking butt so it was legit hunt and i and i had a really good time sweet when we uh when we coming down going out to dinner to the m you remember that last time that was awesome it's pretty amazing it's awesome we're due we're due to come down again and we heard some stories from you some classics we owned that restaurant for that night it was i don't know well maybe you're not allowed to go back since then we were pretty loud that night

but hey the food's amazing i've stayed there a couple times since then and i think about that night just chilling buffet style basically it wasn't buffet style but it was like bring more bring more bring some of that it was awesome and uh kearney you know led the show it was awesome food we had plenty of sides and uh plenty of stories about the hyenas oh yeah my brother-in-laws they're awesome though best people in the world not gonna find better people the best like i i seriously love those guys they made the hunt that much better because carter was always cranky what do you mean what do you mean you know what's funny now you know this is just now coming out he says every time i hunted with you you're ornery hey kearney now you know what we deal with every day come on imagine you're gonna go hunting with a guy and the first first thing he tells you i ain't

gonna build you a fire i did say that was it well no kearney was wanting the whole experience i'm like i'm not here to build you a fire i'm not doing it right we're gonna hunt 205 plus bucks but i'm not building you a fire and he's still mad about it carter bronson this was 10 years ago i just wanted to roast some s'mores yeah he wanted to roast s'mores i'm like you better not you go go roast some s'mores tell me when you're ready i thought he would tell me a story about a big buck he killed or something no i'm not a storyteller yeah i'm not fire going and start reminiscing but carter no i'm not that guy i i wish i was a better storyteller that's why i like to visit with you so well now now kearney i i you probably respected me before i'm just putting words into your head now that you know what we deal with and work with this guy every day of our way you've got to have

immense respect for all of us i just feel bad for janna we all do we all do we luckily she works here too and we kind of help prop her up now hey we're there for you if you did pick me up hey i'm hard i'm i'm on her every day tell me that huh yeah i give her some grief boy he is ornery but he is the best of what he does and i appreciate it all the good stuff i'm not either ornery i think i'm the most pleasant guy in the world you're okay we're okay okay we won't even build a campfire for a dude on a hunting trip he's a hunting hunting trip i'm thinking i can't even believe he asked for that i'm gonna set the story straight i don't even know if i full disclosure braunson i don't even know if i asked for it i think he hit me with it before i even asked yeah he seemed he seemed like the type

little fruity i'm like we're not having a fire we're not having a fire we're not doing it it's october in a hunting camp for hell's sake i mean he's not asking you to launch the space shuttle he put me up at the shady and said have a good night this is the same guy that orders trucks while i'm out glassing i was probably i probably had enough hey well carter you've ordered trucks in lots of different settings over here but he's because you buy one different hey go ahead hike that hill i'll be you know where to find me right here with satellite radio like send me a text when you see them oh that did happen that did happen yeah well carney you're a good sport to us hijack your afternoon down there probably working on you know something important but thanks for answering the phone not screening your calls and telling us a little bit about mexico we needed to end with a good hunt

story you're gonna you're gonna have some you got you're gonna have some big bucks down there you guys got rain yeah huh i think so i think we got some rain coming nevada our way you do it's gonna be good getting excited again i hope so but nevada's gonna be a whole different state it is yeah really yeah you know people it's the worst of the worst then the next year you're like where all these big deer come from what rock did they crawl out from under it it's just crazy that way we've had two terrible we just get a little bit of we get a little bit of rain and and things happen yeah so well we're ready for it all right all right thanks thanks you guys all right yeah talk to you later bye well that was good some of that's true some of it's not jeez it's on camp carter and he booked you you he was a client yeah i don't get it i don't get it

i mean that's kind of rough on the guy i don't i didn't have many repeats i can see why i was there to kill stuff and i tell you i'm like no well no i'm not doing a fire i'm not doing it the guy lives in vegas he wants to get out of the city and have a freaking campfire how how he hired me to hunt that that was okay but but but in october the nights get shorter you wanted to sit around the fire and enjoy it you just said no i'm dropping off at a motel see in the morning yeah no it wasn't even a motel i even had to sleep in a trailer together oh yeah we had some pretty real conversations so anyway i'm wondering bronson if you want to call our buddy why who get a coups deir story out of mexico he freaking killed his dad did he yeah who are you thinking about because i don't know who you're talking about i can't read your i can't read your answer okay go i don't know don't you think let's

let's give him a holler see what he has to say real quick hello hey what do you know nothing jason what's up it's bronson and i on the epic outdoors podcast

yeah right it is come on man what do you mean you guys are just jacking around okay you ain't cold calling yeah we are i'm the last damn guy you want a cold call trust me well trust me you've already sworn once you keep it up it's gonna go live to the world because this is a hot mic we just we just want a freaking big buck story out of mexico tell us tell us about you want to you want a big buck story who's dear you went down there with a group of you with a group of buddies and hunted coos deer and we just wanted how it was in general it seemed like a good year in mexico mule deer and other parts of sonora were awesome coos deer yeah no they killed i saw i mean they've stacked them up man everybody's been killing big deer this year yeah i've seen more big coos hit the dirt in mexico this year yeah then probably and it well they got piles of

rain i mean the rain came early yeah the monsoon was big it had early rains um so the feed's four foot deep and the deer looked good so so tell us tell us about your experience this year you go down every year and always you guys always grind out some giants but let's talk about it um this year we killed we actually went early this year we usually go late and you mean late january versus yeah like we usually go after the 17th like around the 20th and on like 20th you know that 20th to 27th is when we usually a lot of times go this year we went we crossed the border the 7th started hunting the 8th and it was early um the first four days five days pretty tough um saw saw some decent bucks but no rut action um bucks were still i saw bucks together no does no sniffing no chasing nothing it was pretty dead

which got us worried because we were on a new ranch so you know you always have that oh great what have we done are we on a good ranch is it hunted out is it does it have lions does it you know even here the deer even here yeah yeah but i mean the grass is four foot deep and we weren't seeing a pile of deer because you know the we did have a funny moon coming in you know coming in in that time so it was i don't know anyway long and short it started i killed 102 inch buck 100 inch buck basically four by uh on the fourth day nobody in out of six guys had shot a deer up to that point geez shape it up to be tough yeah and so i thought i said when i went down i'm looking for a typical four by that's my goal this year when you say that you mean a three point with an eye guard on both sides that's what we're talking about right no i'm saying four on

each side with eye guard so five by five whoa well we're just we're mule deer guys and i didn't know if you were still in that mode or if you're in texas white talking about a 10 pointer that's right 10 i didn't hear the word 10 point but i didn't know typical 10 so you're talking to western guys you said four points so i'm thinking is that a three points that i guard i mean i don't know anyway typical 10 we gotcha okay so that was my that was what i said i'm gonna that's what i'm killing well i see this buck and he actually was kind of ruddy and he was kind of tailing a doe and he had about a another hundred inch buck with him three by three by three meaning three with eye guard so four by four eight point gotcha and i hate eight points by the way i i just i'm not a fan of i'm not a fan of that the coos deer they all have that same look and in mexico and

anywhere i hunt i have a saying if the deer is freaky or he has if he's different he's big yeah when they start to get freaky that's when they get big yeah so anyway long and short i saw this buck i saw oh man you're a four by with eye guard you're you're dying and then right before i pulled the trigger i thought oh he's a good deer but he's not he's not a whopper i knew he was about i thought he was about 105 you know and so i kill him and then i get over to him and of course he ground shrinks a little bit and i'm like yeah it's a nice buck but not when i go to mexico for it trust me right but you know mexico just write the check boys right you go you can kill another one yeah so we got extra tags i'm like well it looks like i'll be spending some money i guess because i'm gonna compete so we

kept hunting um and uh one of the guys in our camp had seen a really good deer in this one spot he had hunted him for three days and then he came back to camp discouraged and said anybody can go in there and hunt so okay once he said that i said well i know there's a big deer over there so i started how did you know how did you know somebody seen it he seen it oh somebody had already seen him okay i saw him the first night of the hunt um just by himself and coos deer don't leave right even in the rut like it's kind of a small geographic area you know yes like i tell guys that all the time i'm like listen just because you didn't see him he's there you just didn't see him he didn't go nowhere right grass is above the deer are very cagey they they they live you know the rut will make a move though

yeah but they still do you know stay right on top of an area anyway we were all kind of looking for this big buck and that's how you kill the big ones just once you know you surround it and kill him he's there he's gonna pop out and you're gonna someone's gonna smash he do you see the big you don't know i leave that on the fifth morning i leave and i go out because i have to make some phone calls and uh i get out on this hill and i finally get service and i make some phone calls that day and i come back in and on my way back in there i ran into two other guys in our party and they said hey we're looking for that deer and i said oh i am too and i said well i'm going to go around to that big dirt tank and i'm going to walk out on that point because i said i jumped a buck this morning because what i did is i just started rimming out with my rifle just like

old school hunting just walking these points and those bucks were laying you know 80 yards under those points doing doing a deer jump shooting bucks yep jump shooting bucks brushing bucks but you got to be careful because you know i did jump my buck that i actually shot i jumped him but when he was running away i put it on him and i didn't squeeze off because i was like yeah it looks like a good deer but i didn't get a really good look at him and i didn't want to just shoot a dink you know so i get in there then that night i throw my pack on throw my rifle in it and i just walked 200 yards from my truck i'm literally eating a gorilla bar and i look up and the buck i shot is just feeding on the flat with this little dink fork and horn 100 yards from me i pull up i see that he's good buck i can't tell

his head's in the grass so i set my tripod up and i'm just kind of studying about 150 yards and he lifts his head and i see trash and i see his mass and all that i'm like oh yeah you're dying and uh anyway throw my rifle up on top of my 15s on my tripod and and i don't know why but he turned and he just kind of started trotting towards the canyon like he was going to go off the edge so as he was running i mean just trotting he didn't see me i don't i think i don't know what he was doing i think maybe there was a doe there or something i just shot him right in the front shoulder and i thought i missed him because right when i shot my 15s drop on my tripod just clear like they just fall out of sight because i just barely had a lot of them locked down and i thought oh as soon as that gun went off that gun

dropped out that i undershot that buck or something you know yeah and i was kind of pissed because i was well i wasn't kind of pissed i was really pissed because i was like i know better i got ahead of myself and and um i'm thinking well it was only 100 you know 120 yards i said that bullet even if i did i mean it's probably if that trick you know you don't know so i start to walk kind of over there and i see his head and he's well he's laying in the rocks dying and i don't know this and he's looking kind of towards me and he looks at me but anyway i shoot him and i i go running over there and it's and i actually run right by him because he's on this big flat and when i got over there that three point was just standing there you know kind of like hey buddy get up you know like that's how they do sometimes

anyway so i kill my buck i i pack it up i load it in my truck so then i take dawn out the next day and we kill a 109 and then after we shot that buck the next day i went out with james and james is a deer killing machine too i mean so he's we glassed this big buck up we ended up killing a two by four one 15 come on is that a mule is that a spike with an eye guard or is that a two point with an eye guard when you say two i just fork it horn fork it horn with an eye guard just gotta make sure so what is it two by four plus i guards has two plus four plus two eight point he's an eight point okay so we got a straight yeah all right keep going so then uh the other side was a four by we call it a mule deer split meaning yeah forks on the back yeah i shot one yeah forks on the back i shot one fork on the front years ago and eye guards yeah that's awesome so it was a cool cool

buck and the guy dumped him at 8 30 and uh really good shot same thing magnum gun no he was shooting a six five psalm there you go oh still killed it and uh made a great shot i was watching him with the btx um 8 30 i saw the ripple on his rib cage just that's all i saw he didn't hop he just i saw the you know it just i saw the wave a little flutter tipped over a little flutter and then he thought he missed him and i said anyway this doe runs over there and stands 20 yards from where he shot for 45 minutes i go dude she's standing there because he's laying there in the grass dead she's ready they do it all the time she's ready to be bred and he's not getting up and especially when they're hot when they're hot they don't want to leave and then all of a sudden here come this big fork and horn and he grabbed her and took her and i said let's go up there we went up there and there

he was laying there wow yeah you know i mean my at the end of the day so sounds fun when we left the ranch ended up being a very good ranch um i wish we had been there later because i know that later you know some of the bigger deer come out of the woodwork and we just i think we missed the rut a little bit but anyway it still turned out good um sounds like it and we killed nice deer and hopefully next year i'll have an i'll you know i'm gonna i'm gonna hopefully get a ranch down there this year tell tell us a little bit about driving across the border everybody wants to know is it safe how do you do it are you nervous oh my gosh you don't want to dude you definitely don't want to put this on the podcast we want to people want to know dummy it down okay so but talk about the preparation you don't want to find you don't want a 22 shell in the side door panel that's all i'm

saying no so mexico is obviously when you go it's all legal i mean you do your gun permits through the military beforehand tell them basically the serial number number make and model what you're going to be bringing when you number of car yeah you got to say hey i'm bringing 40 rounds you can take whatever you can take 100 rounds doesn't mean you have to bring 100 rounds but you can bring 100 rounds i take um 40 i usually take 40 rounds when i go yeah uh

and and everything's good you got to have your car insurance you got to have make sure all your teaser crossed and your eyes are dotted i mean every your paperwork's got to be correct who do you get who do you get car insurance from like it's a it's a different insurance no not not like state farm right what you're talking about you're not you gotta get additional additional insurance isn't there no what no you get your own insurance just your american stuff yeah it's called it's it's it's traveling abroad like mexico insurance you just google it and there's all these companies and plug in what your truck is and this is why mine's such a big pickup they don't even they won't even i finally found a company to give me ten thousand dollars liability on it this year okay this is why and uh yeah that's why you cross the border you you go you you have one of your counterparts from mexico

meet you there and he comes to the border so you check your rifles in your rifles go through customs and so they they're basically they're looked at by the police no and by the military federal yeah yeah so they look at them and they run them they they have their paperwork then they run your passports all of that then on the way down you stop at a military checkpoint do it on the other side of your border crossing they check your paperwork which your paperwork's already done and then there's a you know there's a card that you have to have on stateside when you come back and all of that and you go you hunt um if you go down a certain distance from the border if you're there past five days there's a car permit you have to get um so because there i don't know if it has something to do with people going down and selling vehicles and in mexico and not in mexico they want the car to come

back but if you if you have some weird round in your door panel heaven forbid you got yeah if they search i've never once had them go through my pickup i mean they'll they'll look at all your stuff your coolers your action packers or your you know your any any rubber totes they'll look in them they'll look in your toolboxes they're they look they yeah they look in your back seat look under your sleeve they don't go through it but they go through it yeah you know it's not that big of a deal and then on the what and then on the way back you have your deer and so you have your you have your tag from your ranch your your paperwork on your tag has to match what's on the tag in the paperwork you have say hey i went down and hunted this ranch you have to write that down on your customs you know you're declaring this coming back into the states who your mexican counterpart is um

um at least i at least i did who did you go with well it depends on where you go i think yes yes that is true the guy you go through there is some part of that yeah um that's pretty much it your school you got to have them boiled and all that right bring them back yeah you have to have a clean skull no no meat no the fruit well you can have it frozen but they'll look at it for ticks if they find ticks they won't let it through right yeah not not nervous you're not nervous anymore you've done it in enough no big deal yeah this year got a little weird we had a we're trying to end this on a good note hey if they get no and that's when things went south yeah it was like uh it didn't go straight

come on yeah come on we had some stuff this time that was like uh i don't know it kind of held you up didn't they hold you up for like four or five hours or something yeah it took them a long time and they were asking us questions we've never been asked before it was and it was like what give us how many benjamins are in your pockets no no when you go to mexico you don't carry benjamins dude what do you carry if you you stash the benjamins you have a pocket of 20s and you keep maybe a hundred and you know you keep five 20s in this pocket five 20s in the back pocket five and your shoe you might have you might have some money on you but you do not have big bills because if you pull out a big bill they're taking the big bill right right you the vultures will attack yeah i mean you don't even and and i i'm not saying i've never been shook down in mexico

you have been but but i haven't been shook down in a couple years what was the four to five hours of detaining this i don't know man because we didn't we didn't have anyone that well we did have a guy that spoke spanish and he would hear what they would say and then he would tell us what was going on but we didn't want them to know he spoke spanish because if they know you speak spanish they feel like they can negotiate yeah something with you and that it gets a little weird because that now they think like if you just no comprende then what are they going to say you don't know what they're saying pretty soon they get bored move on to the next guy yeah so um no but mexico is uh i mean it's like the best place on earth for what you're doing i love going to mexico i love hunting there i think the people are great the food's great uh the hunting's good um it's a time for me to get down

there and just unwind for myself it seems like every outfitter in arizona goes to mexico it's like the unwinding destination most people go to the beach somewhere and you guys don't even hunt mule there like kuzder are a big deal you guys are addicted yeah i uh i went down last last year during easter and i looked at some mule deer places i spent 10 days down looking and um ended up not taking anything because other outfitters that i know that were down there were in those areas and they told me that it was too dangerous where i was at so no so i left and that that's all i it all it took for me to hear yeah you know so i just uh you know the coos deer thing like i said i'm not down there you know doing it for profit i'm doing it for myself but hopefully i i'm going to start doing some hunts down there now this ranch you were on this year it was new to you right it was what it

was new to you it was new yes it was completely new ranch that's what's crazy as you go down to a new ranch you're hunting multiple 110 kill a 115 just you know kill another two by four that's you know 115 whatever it's just awesome you can go down there and it's new to you i'm not saying it's never been hunted but it just feels somewhat common well i've been down there enough jason i can tell once i've been there a little bit if the ranch has been hunted especially commercially because looking at there's on the ground there yeah well that's it i have problems i i mean a guy one time said no one's ever no one hunts this ranch no one been here and i the first thing i do is i drive up a road i see laid down grass i see side by side tracks i find a 270 brand new cartridge and a costco water i mean kirkland water bottle laying on a point right where you'd glass and it looked like

it had been there two days right well yeah that kind of stuff yeah that's a red flag but when you're when you're hunting down there you can see like nobody's been in here nobody's been on these roads nobody's been in this country you're seeing lots of deer um you can pretty much tell pretty quickly you know this year was a little different we thought the ranch was probably not as good as it ended up being because but we had really high winds we had the rut wasn't on there was there was other factors yeah but i have a saying about mexico too if you're a good hunter you screw yourself excuse me and i'm gonna tell you why because mexico if it never fails mexico is hey these guys peep they want hunters to come to their ranch sure they do which i that's it's business for them i get it the problem is if you get a deal on a ranch and you go there other people may have hunted the ranch

yeah and and they may have not killed deer so a couple years goes by and no good deer get killed and then guys that really can hunt coos deer come there and they kill big deer and then the the their eyes get big and they go oh this is better and then the next year you go back to that ranch and they raise your price the next year you go back and they read next you know they they start pricing you out of it and then you go find a new place and someone else goes to your old ranch and they still don't kill anything and i've i've seen it multiple times where groups go to ranches don't kill deer good good hunters go to the same ranch kill big deer well well here or not you know it's not a it's not a you know like the mexican guys we hunt with down there they'll be like hey that that group last week

or the group a year ago they set on that point 10 minutes every 10 minutes we move and you sat there for two hours right there you go you're you're glassing you're it's a different thing and they even tell us they tell us in you guys are better hunters you you you spend more time you see more deer you're more methodical about it so even though a ranch has been hunted maybe some a lot of times they're not really hunted not yeah i've hunted good ranch i mean i've hunted ranches that were supposedly bad and killed big deer off yeah all right guy we appreciate your time and and uh we just so you know we do do cold calls on the podcast that's a fact and that has happened today and uh we will uh do it again perhaps and then just remember that all right we'll see you guys make sure you save me a place we will i'm gonna be staring at you all week you're right across the aisle i don't think we're

going anyway yes that is correct you're right across the aisle we're excited but it's going to be a grind are you excited it's great um i don't know man i haven't done shows for a while is your is your wife making you get a haircut we've seen a few posts on your you're coming to utah you need to have a haircut no man i lived in utah for some time and i'm telling you when i lived there in the late 90s the mullet the mullet never goes out of style in utah never it's kind of right now it's kind of it has i mean if you live in american fork and you got a mullet you're in good i think you've got more than a mullet oh it's i don't know what i got but it's pretty bad hey it's for a good cause it's for a good cause guys come on well okay well what is gonna do locks of love with it yeah what's the cause

i've got all kinds of excuses all right all right okay all right guys okay sounds good we'll see it we'll see you next week okay all right thanks you bet all right bye all right brownson there you have it kind of a it's fun to end on a few good stories yeah well little mule deer little coos deer little stout of the border it's pretty awesome i don't know yeah kind of gets us fired up everybody we're super excited for this year last year was tough this year's gonna be awesome mark our words we're gonna see you up there at the expo and we can talk all about it at epic outdoors we help you reach your hunting dreams whether it's helping you to develop a long-term application strategy or finding the perfect outfitter for your next hunt as a member of epic outdoors you'll also receive the epic outdoors magazine and have access to the best hunting consultants in the industry online tools and

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