EP: 245 Getting Your Gear Set Up

Anything to do with Western big game.

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All right. Hey, everybody. Jason Carter. Adam's not here. Wyatt's not here again.

Devin's here. John's here. Josh is here. How y'all doing? Good. Really good. Good. Well, we wanted to kind of come out with another podcast. There's a lot going on. We've had Arizona results just came out. Freaking brutal draw. Have talked to a few sheep hunters, some deer hunters. There's been, you know, a few pretty lucky guys. And we've actually drawn, Devin, quite a few coos deer guys. Definitely. Guys are taking advantage of that. Pretty awesome. Right. I mean, what a great opportunity. Of course, you know, we're so hyper focused on mule deer. And why wouldn't you be, quite frankly? Yeah. Why wouldn't you be? Coos deer hunters love to hear that. They love that. And blacktail hunters. Have you ever met a more passionate group of deer hunters other than blacktail? Huh? I mean, those California blacktails. The last two days. Have you? Yeah.

Getting excited about it. Getting guys pumped to go. Yeah. So, anyway. What would a blacktail be? They're not liking liquors like a caribou. They're like a north side of the tree fungus licker. They are. Where they live. They are. And then also, I mean, they're kind of a mule deer wannabe. Exactly. Wouldn't you say like they're built like a mule deer, but they're about half size? Yeah. The ones on that one side of I-5, they're pretty little buggers, though. Yeah, they are. Well, I went and got my butt kicked, so I have no use for them.

Or the guy that took me. But, anyway.

But, anyway. Hey. Hey. It's not my cup of... That's the one thing. We should just go into that. Hey. When do you hire an outfitter and when don't you hire an outfitter? Devin, you work with these guys all the time. You've hired outfitters, right? Yes. You've done it. You went to Colorado, had a great experience. There's sometimes even guys that are capable of hiring an outfitter or capable, excuse me, of doing it on their own that may consider or should consider hiring an outfitter. And we've talked to multiple guys in Arizona. These guys are fully capable in their home state. They just don't have the local knowledge. And so what do you tell guys when guys call in and say, well, I'm kind of thinking of doing it on my own, but not sure? Well, a lot of guys overlook the big factor to me, and that's access. It gives you access to certain properties. I mean, that's huge in some units.

It's everything. I mean, you look at Antelope in Wyoming, you could do a fraction of the point. Why do you bring up Antelope in Wyoming? Are you going to be headed up there? Just fresh on the brain. You're an antelope killer. Yeah, I'm going. My unit's 98% BLM, so I think I got this. So you could care less. And the other 2% are going to have an access yes program. If I had 2 points and was 100% dead set on going, I might have to go with somebody to get or something to get access. But you also would consider that prior to applying. So that's all part of your pre-planning and making a good choice when you apply, when you actually apply. So I end up with this tag, am I willing to go guide it or am I not? And a lot of guys just apply and assume they'll never draw, and then now they're faced with that question, here we are July. You know what I mean? And it's coming down.

I mean, being July, we've been doing a lot of stuff. We've been doing a lot of scouting, been setting up bows, setting up muzzlers, setting up rifles.

I don't know. You're going to be doing some kind of physical Ironman competition. What do you got going on, Devin? Is this true, Devin? What do you got going on, Devin? My brother's convinced me to do this in, like, February. And, you know, in February, the winter, you're like, yeah, well, I'm going to get in shape. I got six months. And then I ran on the treadmill. The first time I tried to run a mile, I almost died. Did you have a heart monitor on? Well, then, like, the first quarter mile, I'm like, I don't remember it being this hard to run. And I realized when I adjusted the speed, I was at, like, three and a half incline, so I was running uphill. So, yeah, that's on this weekend, so we'll see how I do. What is it called? It's a Spartan race. Spartan. Is that? Tell us a little bit about it. I don't know. I know there's obstacles.

I've got to climb over high objects, jump through fire, crawl through mud, barbed wire. I've heard the water's cold, but occasionally you run into a warm spot. Swim around the warm spots. That's what I've heard. Oh, gosh. Disgusting. Thanks, Josh. Look at it. You get in cold water. Sometimes it makes your body think it needs to do certain things. So, swim around the warm spot. I just have a question for you guys. When Josh comes up with these little things that he comes up with, these little sayings and whatnot, do you ever wonder, like, where his mind's been? It's a scary place. I was talking with my wife last night about this. I wish it was something that I didn't have because I can't tell you what came through my mind and what brought it up last night. But I just came into town. And all it was was simply seeing someone's vehicle in front of their house.

And I thought it just came to my mind. What was it? I can't tell you. I can't tell you.

But it was just. Was it their own vehicle in front of their own house or was it somebody else's vehicle in front of a. May have used to be their house.

Okay. So, they were doing a visit, a conjugal visit. Is that what you were talking about? We'll finish after. Jeez. I just. Such a snooper guy. I'm the best. I can look out through my door and I can see his mind running. And I'm like, Jason makes a comment. I'm like, Josh, he's got something. Well, and then all of a sudden, Josh's little mustache will kind of change positions. You know he's grinning. He's got some thoughts going through his head. We've got mixed company. And he has to stand over the walk. Yeah. I've got. I believe it or not, I do have a filter. It's pretty big. Like, the holes that stuff get through is pretty big. But it would scare you, the things that stay in there. Well, what's funny is I'll be driving through town just, and I don't want to bug Josh. So, I'll drive through his town, which is, oh, an hour from here or whatever, an hour and 15 minutes.

And invariably, he sees me every time. Right? Hey, what were you doing gassing up at such and such? You know? I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know. Leave me alone. And then I'm driving down. Hey, is that you in front of me? Yeah, it is. I just, what are you doing? Well, I'm just coming up to look for a place to eat. Like, Jan and I just went for a drive. And I was just going to buy a shovel.

Wyatt may have texted me and said, hey, Jason, his truck's moving. I'm getting the tracker. It's so true. His tracker's moving. It looks like it's coming to Penguix. Keep your eye out. Does anybody do anything that Wyatt doesn't know about? Mm-mm. No. No. No. Nope. He missed his call. In fact, I was teasing him this morning because when I was actually a biologist, but I ran into him on a road. He was just stopped glassing. And I had known him a little bit. I think I may have met him when I was a game warden and talked to him as he was taking some hunters or something. And all I can say- And we all know how much he loves game warden. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And all I can say is he was investigating me as hard as I was investigating him.

So funny. He may have had a tracker. You know with those new tags that people put on their luggage? He had an air tag on me. He had an air tag on your truck. Yeah. He knew nothing about it. Oh. Well, anyway. So about Wyatt, you guys were talking about him missing some work. He missed work again yesterday. Kind of interesting. How does this happen? What's going on? Well, I don't know. I don't know. You're his friend. I'm not.

Actually, I am his friend. But he seems to answer to you a little better. Let's just say he's three for three on a concert weekend and not being able to work a full week of work after. That's pretty crazy. What did we say on the last podcast? Country jam divided by eight. So we're not even halfway through. No. I mean, he's got concerts lined up. We know nothing about. But in his defense, not like he loves them. And he's just doing some good deeds right now. He loves his wife. Yeah. And he's trying to be able to put some things on the calendar. So when other things come up, he's got some ammo. Don't you think? Oh, yeah. He's playing it smart. The beat's going to Disneyland, like he says. Yeah. Yeah. He got sick yesterday. He was sick as a dog. And he says, you know, you know, the good thing about being sick. Well, I had some family things that I was supposed to go to.

Somebody was having a kid and I didn't have to go. I said, let's see. Somebody having a kid getting sick. And he chose getting sick. He was pretty sick. He was sick. And I think because he had actually listened to the last podcast and felt like he needed to come defend his honor at work a couple days later. But he's still not here. I think that's why he stayed yesterday or two days ago because I think he was going to try all he could to not go home. He's like, this will be three weeks in a row. Yep. Said he was in rough shape. Said he was in rough shape. But anyway, there's been a lot going on. We had the Arizona results come out. Also, the secondary draw for Colorado. You know, that deadline, what was it? July 5th? Two days ago. July 5th? Yeah. And the results are out today. We have kids that have tags. How about that, Josh? Yeah, they were stacking them up.

How does it feel? Well, it's a good thing. You're now $3,000. Yesterday, it would have felt great. Broker. It would have felt great yesterday because I had a master plan in mind, partly to think, okay, now if I'm down there hunting, I had to put my kids in. I'm going to be down there anyway. Might as well just take one of them with me, two of them with me if they draw. But then it's, you know, that's obviously the best plan there is. And then you apply that way, thinking that would be the best plan. And then a couple things change overnight. You mean like a landowner tag? Yeah. And then the next thing you know, it was overnight. How much did you sleep last night? It was about a rare tag. A rare tag came available. And I hit the guys and said, hey, hey, y'all. And Josh replied, and more enthusiastic than most. So that I hit him on the side with, by the way, you should be doing this. Yeah.

And so I did. And then here we are six hours later. And actually, one of my kids draws the master plan unit. So diesel's cheap. So we're going twice, I guess. Diesel's never been cheaper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what? Have you ever thought about running that biodiesel in, you know, going down to McDonald's and getting the oil? Oh, yeah. And making some. I had a buddy that was trying to do it in his garage. And I went and visited the site one time. And if you think this floor in McDonald's is slippery. You ever been to a church's chicken? You supplied right in. Yeah. Oh, jeez. That's disgusting. It was. It didn't feel safe to me. So you're not going to put biodiesel in your brand new diesel pickup truck? I might get as brave as maybe trying to throw some dyed diesel in it. Oh, don't care. You're saying that out loud. No, I would never do that. You can put in for gas.

Probably not that truck. Who knows? With diesel. And it helps, doesn't it? Mix it. Yeah. Maybe I'll just start. I don't know if I'm adding some vegetable oil to it every now and then. Brand new vehicles. Nice. All right. Okay. So anyway, we've got kids and women and children with tags. Devin, you've got a lot going on, too. You've got a lot going on. I like it. I told myself I was going to slow it down a bit this year. No. It can't help. It's not possible. I have slowed it down. I don't know. I mean, I've got some heavy crap, but it's less numbers of heavy crap. I think you might be going harder on less. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's a good point. That's what you want. Focusing more on, yeah, instead of spreading it out. Very focused. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's time to kill something, you know. Yeah. I'm so, it is, I am, I do have, I am pretty picky, I guess.

But we also talked about how now is the time you have kids right in that prime age of teenagers. It's like, make a memory. Yeah. That'll last their entire life. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's, that's worthwhile. Yeah. That's what, like, this whole tag that I put my son in that he drew, you know, it's, is it going to be weird? Is it going to be tough? Two trips to Colorado just for him, whatever. But he's only going to be able to do this for four years. Yeah. So this might be the only time we actually get a secondary tag and get to go hunt with it. He still got to get his point. Didn't cost him anything. It's basically like picking it up off a turnback list. It's pretty awesome. So we'll go do it because it may be the one time in his life he'll be able to grab a tag like that. And, and so why not? You know, I'm still waiting to see if my, my kids drew the secondary draw for elk.

I think the deer results are loaded. Yeah. My elk, the elk, I haven't been charged and it still shows, you know, that basically they applied, but I don't see the results. So anyway, hopefully, hopefully they will, you know, end up drawing elk tags to go along with those deer tags. It's the same season. It'd be kind of cool, you know? So just, we're always kind of contemplating some of those things. John, you've got a landowner tag this year in Colorado. Huh? Time to add a landowner tag to the mix. Yeah. I'm excited. Pretty awesome. Yeah. It's so fun. And I love like, I like vehicles. I love it when you all buy stuff. I love it. It's like I bought. You're a good cheerleader. Yeah. You are. You are. I am, right? And everything, everything's a great deal. Devin, I, Devin's tag, Josh's tag, John, Adam, that one came from Adam. But I mean, but I'm, I'm there to help you guys.

Like sometimes when you're excited about a purchase, if you need somebody to be excited for you or with you, Jason is that guy. I know. It makes it pretty fun. I can tell you all the positives. I don't even remember any of the negatives.

Anyway, pretty awesome. I love it. I love it. I love this time of year. People call in too. I like talking to people that have drawn, drawn tags and things. But as we're talking about this kind of stuff, Devin Spartan race, you know, Ironman competition, pretty awesome opportunity. But he's all finish.

Well, I mean, and if you don't, you went and did the three peaks, right? You went and did the, what? The peak to peak to peak. No, I didn't make it to the peak.

Where did the goat picture go from? I was way up there amongst the mountain goats, but I did not make it to the peak. The worst part about that is you've already talked about it on the podcast. And so now we got to have a follow up. It's not like you can do it and then cut it out. What if I can't do 30 burpees, you know, if I fail?

Did you have to pay money to enter this thing? I might be hobbling on Monday. Yeah, you got a blister and you didn't even make the first peak. Yeah. Big blister. Yeah, I got a. First blister you've ever had. Me and Josh at lunch yesterday, I bought some moleskin at Walmart. Josh, did you have to teach him what moleskin is? Because he's never had a blister. Yeah. I've never had on my feet ever. Until. We were going to get him some, some like pantyhose too to put on. Well, those help, right? That's a, that's like a liner, a sock liner. They say they do. So. But I tell you this, I'm in a lot better shape right now than I was. Even mid fall last year. And this is because you signed up for this race. Yeah. Again, did you pay money to sign up though? Did they charge you? It's like a hundred bucks. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred bucks you'll never get back. The bad part. You're in shape now. Yeah.

The bad part was though, I was trying to tell him if you're going to go with the pantyhose thing. I knew it. See, this is where his mind is. That he needs to stick. We never talked about pantyhose. He needs to stick with just like the nude color, you know? So it's maybe, maybe that's his leg. Maybe it's pantyhose. They don't know. You're not wanting like the black stockings. And he was like, okay, that's cool. But I couldn't convince him that fishnet would probably cause extra blister. He should go with just the smooth. So did he go with the fishnet? Smooth pantyhose that could cover up my leg hairs. Like I said. I didn't see a definite line. We went to self-checkout so he could save his honor. I don't know.

Then all of a sudden the alarm went off and you have to be a certain age. I just took off. You have to be a certain age. That's always awkward. Gender. Can I see some ID please, sir? The little old lady wearing the cat ears tried to run him down. I don't know. I had propane tanks, game bags, and pantyhose. No. No. Bullskin. Anyways. The kitty cat ears have to step over the litter box to get out the door.

All right. We're done with this. We're done with this. So as we're getting ready for the fall, I want to kind of talk about some of the things we've been doing to get set up. Devin, whoever, y'all, everybody's been getting set up with archery. You know, I've set up a muzzleloader. We were shooting long range. It was awesome. Set up a couple of rifles. And just kind of going through that process of, you know, even set up a thermal rifle scope adapter with Leica for predators. And Idaho, I'm kind of half excited about thermaling option up there for wolves. Like crazy stuff, right? So anyway, we've been kind of going through some of these things. And sometimes I just like to get set up. It goes back to John telling me I just get excited about stuff. I may never even freaking use it, but I'm excited to work on it. You know what I mean?

So anyway, so Devin and Josh, you set up, did you set up a bow this year? Still in the process. Are you? Yeah. It's kind of a process. Yeah, it is. Bows are sensitive. Like I got one set up and I'm like, I don't even want to deal with a new setup. Like I, just the setup alone, it's regardless of the money or whatever, just the time and effort and energy and stress. Yeah. But Devin, you said yours is set up perfectly now. Yeah. Like what did it take to get to that? We've bonded and that's important. Devin and his bonding with like his old tundra that won't, he doesn't dare take out of state. For some reason, he can't break the bond. Why? I don't know. You can't even take it out of town. Like you don't even want to go to Modena. Right? You would take it to Modena? Maybe. Probably. But you'd really pray during those non-cell phone areas. It's old, man. It's a hunting rig for 12 years.

Like it just doesn't, it's life is, it's had a good life. It's done. But you can't get rid of it. You just want to spend time with it now. But he can't get rid of it. He's still bonded to it. Yeah. But my old bow that I used last year, it just, you know, I shot it good, but I just didn't like whatever you want to call it, the bond with it or whatever. I just wasn't dialed. I wonder if it was that elk in Colorado when it jumped off the cliff. I wonder if there was just a disassociation with that bow. Even when I was shooting it, I just like, I shot good, but it just didn't fit. Something, maybe it was a draw length or a peep height or something, just wasn't perfect. A quarter inch of draw length, especially a half inch. Like you do, is it a pain enough to go down and change it and then you have to reset up everything? Yeah. Or do you just kind of deal with it?

Well, and the new bow I got this year, it's the RX-7 from Hoyt. Yeah. I love it. The first, when I had Terry down in St. George set it up, he forgot, but he did a 70 pounds. Oh. And I was shooting it and I was getting it all ready and I shot it great, but the 70 pounds, like 12 shots, I was feeling it. And then I'm thinking half the stuff I've killed, I've been on my knees or, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, 70 is a lot for me, so. Yeah. Well, it's a lot for anybody. I like a lower, I like a lower poundage, but I've held, do you remember that I've held draws for long, long periods of time? Yeah. And I feel like, for me, that's more important than shooting 80 pounds, 75 pounds, you know? Like, I want to be able to really hold it. And sometimes you're on your knees holding a draw for, even if it's upwards of a minute and a half, two minutes. That's a long time. Yeah.

That is a long time. On top of emotion, on top of 14 other things. I just, I like to be able to hold it, but talk about your setup and what you decided to do and how you did it. I did. I bumped it back down to about 63 pounds, which is how all my other bows have been forever. And then the sight, it's a, I think it's option archery. Okay. I have a, I have, let's see, a four fixed pin. And then it, those pins will actually fold out to where you can't see them. And my bottom, which would be a 70 yard pin, is my adjustable. Okay. So if I go to, when I'm going to go to Kansas this year, sitting in a blind or tree or whatever, you're only going to shoot 20, 30 yards, just single pin it. Right. But I have to have, I have to have multiple pins. I don't, I would never hold with just a single pin. So now I have the option. Because you don't want to have to dial every time.

You don't, I mean, and then when you dial, you got to remember to dial back. Yeah. If you got a bull just crushing in on you and you know he's gone 10 yards closer, you don't have to think. Yeah. You know, it's just, yeah, I like, I like that. I do too. And then I did, this is a first for me. I did a four arrow quiver. Okay. Lighten it up a little because I did a. Because you didn't use very many arrows on that Colorado elk. No.

Not in the same day. Okay. Good boy. Good boy. But anyway, yeah. Yeah. I figure I've never. Remember, we used to just use six. We used six. We used six. Fives. I'm into a five now. But we used to use. So you're adding bulk and just stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I think I'll just go with a four. And then it'll offset because that'll save me some weight because I did a back bar stabilizer. Okay. You can put on there. And I really do like that. Yeah. Balance is better. Other than that, I think. And you can reuse arrows. I've done it once or twice.

And they work fine. Yeah.

Okay. And so now, how far are you on that adjustable? Just tell us. Like, it's okay. How far are you shooting that sucker in a target? I could shoot 130. Are you shooting 130? I've shot 100 a couple times, but I haven't gone. But it'll keep cranking down. Yeah. I hit the fence line where I shoot and that's it. 100 yards. Yeah. Pretty awesome. Are you shooting good at 100? I'd kill something. Yeah. I mean, I would never. Yeah. But it makes 60 feel better. Oh, yeah. And then you come up to 70 and it's like, waka. Waka.

Yeah. That's the good part. You know. All right. Josh, talk a little bit about what you've got going on. Yeah. I have the same bow, I guess, except mine's the Ultra. Again, I love it when you guys buy this stuff.

Like, you weren't getting out of the office without buying one. Right? And in your defense, mine showed up first. So, I had more time to set everything up. That's true. That's true. But, you know, I feel like the bow that I was shooting, it was a Hoyt Carbon Matrix, one of the first ones that they came out with. And it's an old bow. I mean, I guess it's almost 20 years old now. I had one. It doesn't feel like it is. It's a Carbon Matrix. That's what I killed Pretty Boy with. And, well, British was a Matthews. But, anyway. But, like Devin's saying, you have a bow. And that bow was actually a long story. But it was, I came down to an elk hunt, another bow that I was shooting. Just got a new string on it. And I don't know what had happened. Something with the peep. Anyway, I went to go shoot. And the bow pretty much exploded. And there was something rubbing on the string.

And it cut the string. And this was a week before my elk hunt. I'm like, I can't get a new bow, set up a new bow. Had a really good friend that had had one. This was his backup bow. And he was just like. The Matrix. Yeah. And, you know, similar draw length and sight and all that kind of stuff. And he hurried and helped me, got it set up. And it was just like, man, this thing's awesome, you know. Since then, I've killed deer elk antelope with it. And it's just kind of, it's just a piece of you. And I love that thing. And it shoots so much. Yeah. Well, and that was the first bow. I remember it's kind of like your first experience with long-range rifles. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, that was my first experience with a bow that really shot. Yeah. Exactly. Me too. It really shot well. It's kind of the new age, this new era of the last 20 years. Yeah. Of legit hunting. Yeah. Legit killability. Right.

And so, anyway, I figured it was probably time to upgrade, you know. And I did. And I love this new bow. I mean, to shoot those things, it's unreal, the difference between those two. I mean, you don't even, like, when they say dead in your hand, like, literally, there's no shock. There's nothing. It's just like, it's unbelievable. But it takes time because, I mean, they've adjusted the stabilizer on those. You know, they kind of have that, a new stabilizer that comes out off the limb almost, where the riser and the limbs kind of hit. It comes out there and it's this little shorty. But my other bow, I had a longer stabilizer on the front, right in front of your hand, essentially. And then I had a back bar on it. And so, just trying to play with all that. And I've got to get that slider set up. You know, I've got a five-pin slider.

I'm like, Devin, I don't, I can't think of a time when I would have been able to dial when I've been hunting. Unless I just, it's always been at something that I've never been able to, like, okay, take a second. Maybe it's in my mind I don't want to. But I can think of anything that I've shot, it's, I've had to just pull up and find the pin. And I wouldn't have had time to stop and dial, that kind of stuff, with one pin or whatever. So anyway, I go with a five-pin and, yeah, just trying to get that 20 to 50 set up so I can get that slider all set. But it's not, it's not easy. And part of me wants to just go get my old bow because it's already done, you know. Yeah. But you just have to keep going. And, I mean, it shoots amazing and everything. And it's pretty, I had it shooting 50 this weekend. And I just want to make sure it's all good before I get the tape on it.

How many times do you think you've shot it since you got it? And tried to set it up. Because with these new tapes that we did, you know, you basically side in your 50. And then you overlay this tape to make sure everything lines up. So the 50 has to be perfect. And I'll bet I shot 200. That's what I'm at. I'm at the 200 to 300 range. Just because I want to make sure. Because even then, because at the same time, I'm trying to adjust stabilizers. I have a back bar on it. And it's out, it's down, it's out, it's down. And you're trying to, so that when you pull up, the bubble's going to stay as level as it is when you first just come to draw. I'm still having to find myself trying to fix the bow one way or another. So I'm trying to adjust the stabilizers to help me fix that to get it, you know, so that I know then, okay, the bow's where it needs to be. Now I need to be on at 50.

And it just, that's one thing I've found with, like, the new bows. They're not finicky, but there's the slightest little adjustment can really help you out. So it's good to take some time and do it right. And I want to make sure I do it right. It's awesome. Well, that's great. I've got mine set up from last year, and I'm happy I'm not touching it. It's a spot hog. It's adjustable. And I freaking love it. So anyway, this is the year. It's going to happen. Yeah. Mark my words right now. Okay. It's coming fast. We're a couple weeks out. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know. A couple weeks. 33 days, actually. A couple weeks of deciding if you actually have to keep the tags you got. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, and this new trail camera law of August 1st, like, Josh, you said it best this morning. What did you say? I felt like I was all about it six months ago.

Just because I know how effective you can be with trail cameras and what trail cameras can do for me that I don't have to do myself. And here we are closing in on three weeks to having to pull them down. I'm not as happy about it as I was. I'm glad we can still use them. Me neither. But I think we admitted, like, even though we're kind of in favor of, you know, we're on the deer and elk side of things of, you know, increasing our age class, doing what we can to, you know, adapt to the changing of tactics and technology. And not having any laws change, it feels like. Now things are changing, right? People are wanting to change a bit. And anyway, I'm all in favor of having old animals, older animals on the landscape. And maybe a few get by because we, you know, we limit that technology a little bit. But having said that, it's going to affect me personally. Oh, it is.

I just think of the time, the time that I'm going to have to put in now instead of having a little thing on the tree doing it for me. You know, so it's just going to cause extra time. But you don't necessarily have a lot of these days when you have kids and family and work and just all kinds of stuff going on. And that was nice being able to be in seven places at once, you know, today. And I can't be, you know, after August. Today, you're doing cellular camps right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've got 5,000 pictures of some morning doves on a water tank. It's glorious. What about old Lump Lump? Wait. Wait.

Waiting for one buck. But, yeah. Did he show today or? Yeah, he showed today. Well, I actually had to switch it down. I was getting updates every hour. But those morning doves, it was sending me 500 pictures of those two every hour. That's a lot of notifications. Yeah, exactly. So I shut it down to two a day. That helps me focus, too, so I don't sit and watch my watch. Okay. Five more minutes and I get to see what's in there. So, anyway, yeah, there's a lot going on. And with those adjustments, of course, Nevada has had that truck camera law in place. And now, Utah, you know, we can't run cameras basically after the end of July. So, it's... We've had it good. And I didn't realize how good we had it and how much useful they can be. And good meaning, you know, helped us kill stuff. Right. Exactly. That's what I mean. Just being able to focus.

Or if I'm hunting over here, I can still keep a camera up over there and say, okay, I need to go over there. So, you know, as far as actually killing deer that I've got pictures of, that sort of thing, that kind of stuff's minimal. But I think just overall, it can help you be a lot more effective. Well, dude, there's tags going to be turned back because people don't know of a specific animal. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. That's going to save an animal. Because not that that tag won't be reallocated, but if that guy's turning it back or gal's turning it back, they're pretty serious. You know, they're very dedicated to hunting specific trophy or something legit. Well, and it's crazy. So, this morning on my drive over, I thought it was pretty crazy in relation to what we were talking about yesterday saying, you know,

I only have a couple more weeks to see what antler growth is going to be like before you make a decision. You know, and you've got a buck that's got a four-point frame already and may or may not have something else on there. And this morning I saw a buck that looked like it wasn't a yearling buck. It wasn't going to be a two-pointer spike. He looked like a three-year-old deer. And he was just barely starting to fork off his beam. And it's just crazy to think if that buck was in your camera, you'd think, this is terrible. I need to turn it in. But then if you have this other buck that's already half grown out, you say, okay, this buck might turn into something. It's, they can help you that way for sure. Right, and what we've got is like, for example, the Utah archery starts, what, August 20th, 19th or 20th. Yep.

And your 30 days prior to that, you have to have it turned in if you want to get your points back. And they won't give you all your points. They'll give you everything you had prior to the draw. They won't give you this year's point. But if it's, you know, within 30 days, 29 days or whatever, they won't give you your points back. So, by July 20, you've got to decide if you're keeping a tag or not. Any of the guys that drew archery, that's pretty significant, right? It's coming out really fast. And what's built by July 20th? Elk. Yeah. Deer not built. And, you know, I've seen deer, like even in like Nevada, specifically Buster. I mean, he grew from not even a consideration to number one on the list in 10 to 15 days. It was crazy what he put on from August 1st to the 10th. So, that kind of reminds me. I'm not changing the subject in the slides. We actually had a question.

So, we asked to do a question and answer podcast that we'll probably be doing here next. I would imagine the next couple. Okay. We had a question. You have lots of questions. Yeah. We got a lot of questions, which is a pretty awesome. I can just see by his face. He's already grinning. Like, you can't wait to ask this question. Oh, no. It's a good question. Okay. Legit. So, this guy actually sent this in, Kevin Billows from Nevada. He has a question. And it says, any thoughts? So, I guess we might do a couple of these. Then we'll do a full-on question and answer, I guess. But it kind of, we don't want to answer it twice, I guess. But his question was, any thoughts on why some bucks seem to finish out in mid-July, but others blow up the last part of July, first part of August? It seems if they are on good feed, they would grow, but that isn't always the case. Yeah. I don't know.

You know, my thoughts are, and you guys, we all have our theories, but some deer consistently, year after year, develop early. Just like they shed early. Yeah. That's right. And they shed earlier, so maybe they're starting to grow earlier, so then they finish out earlier. You know what I mean? But, like, I remember Pipes, we hunted Pipes, he was a 220-something-incher by the time we killed him. And, you know, we watched him for four-plus years. But, anyway, he would finish out early. He finished, like, toward the end of July. He was one of the rare bucks in Nevada that, and down south in the desert, hot freaking desert. And he would finish, and I'm like, that's a freaking, he's doing 205, 210 already. I can't believe it. And other bucks are, like, feels like half-grown. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so, but it was every year. It wasn't like he grew early.

Like, one year he finished out early, and the other years he was normal. He finished every year early, earlier than every other deer that I remember. And so, and you'll have a group of bucks. You'll have a group of bucks. They'll be shanks only to forks, right, to a major deep-forked buck. I mean, why is it? Is it the deer? Is it just like humans in puberty? You know what I mean? It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, you think about even as when that, maybe it had to do with when that deer was born in its life. You know, you see a lot of deer, obviously, I think around June 16th, at least here in Utah, that was kind of the peak of the fawn drop that they've noticed. Statewide, that was kind of the peak. But there were obviously some fawns that were two weeks sooner, and there were some that were almost a month later in some cases. And you think about the rut. I know I've seen several times.

You'll see a buck still towards Christmastime rutting when you've had bucks that are rutting their brains out in November, you know. And so there's obviously, there's a month lag in there. And I don't know. This is just my theory. But some of it could be with even when that fawn was born and timing of year. If they're a little later, maybe they're just not putting on some of that. They're taking longer to shed, taking longer to grow. I don't know. There's so much to play with. There is. And with that, and you also have geographic areas, right? So up north, you're going to have them, it seems like, finish a little bit earlier, even rut a little bit earlier. Like northern Colorado seems to rut earlier than, say, Gunnison or Squatch or whatever, or especially that Alamosa Valley country. They rut late. And New Mexico, they rut in December. Like it's just, it's the way it goes.

And same thing with Arizona.

You know, and so I just, you know, it also is coming to mind when I'm scouting these areas right now where these bucks are far from finishing. Because in their geographic area, they're known to finish late. I'm in country right now that's known to finish late. Very frustrating to me. Well, I'm at five something a gallon and whatever. You're checking cameras and getting nothing but beams. Yeah. I've got shanks. I've got shanks one, two, three, four, five, and six that I'm really excited about. And if you only have a couple weeks left to turn a tag back. That's a significant problem. Yeah. You know, and, but again, is that going to save animals? I mean, it's going to save. Well, it's going to save some. With that, I've seen groups of bucks. So it's not the feed, right? Like this group of six, seven bucks running together. And there was one, it was the last buck that kills my bow.

He, it was, it was about this time of year, first of July. And I was like, man, that buck's heavy, but he's just, he's not going to finish. All the other bucks were normal looking good. And I, I killed him because of the trail camera, by the way. But yeah, he finished. I saw him. Bigger than the other buck. I saw him in like first of August and I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Like I could tell it was him. Big old bass is heavy. I killed him. And I wonder if, I wonder like you're saying big old basses. I wonder if maybe some of these older deer are just putting more into the girth and the freaking shank and you know what I mean? And there's just a little more calcium going into the building of the overall frame. And these other bucks are putting on 160 inch frame. But he was, he was with that same group the whole summer. So it's like they're feeding together. It's just how he is.

Just the way he is. Well, and if you, I mean, if he just sat there and was feeding, everything was kind of going into his body for the most part. And he was just kind of growing. And then if he's a late, late grower and now you get monsoon and start kicking in now, there's still a month to grow for some of those deer. And if he's getting good, fresh feed and he's in good condition because he's been feeding heavy, you know, in the spring, I think that has a potential. It could blow up. That's what, and I like that. I like what you're saying because there's guys talking about the Navajo saying, you know, the Navajo reservation, which is largely in Arizona, parts of New Mexico, a ton of monsoonal country, you know, monsoons have been pounding it and they're late growers. And that's going to help them. Same with the coos deer down south.

Like you've got, you're dealing with a lot of coos deer. These monsoons, same thing with like the limiteds. Let's call it the limited opportunity areas, the 17 through 20 units in, in Arizona, as well as the COFA's and all that country. You get these monsoons, they grow. It's almost like they're mid-May right now. Right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so we're fighting for a monsoon type experience in May here, April, May in Utah, Nevada. Like when that happens, that's odd. But when it happens, we have incredible years here. They get monsoons pretty regular down there. And so a lot of times they'll have that great growth, even though we may be technically in a drought. Does that make sense? Oh yeah. Yeah. So kind of exciting. I know up north, you guys have seen it. Devin, you've been driving up there pretty regular with your in-laws and family and whatnot. It's pretty awesome feed.

Like people have it. It's like a whole new world compared to here. It's green. It's like yellow. Isn't that wonderful? It is amazing. Yeah. The difference a four-hour drive can make. This last weekend, I was in a country that I have rarely seen, and that's Aspen. Aspen. Hey, it's pretty. We slept out. It was like, man, this is enjoyable. I'm used to, like, I stick myself in the desert usually, and now it's just habitual. But it's, you know, back in the day when I was a little kid, it was just to get away from people. Like the desert has animals nobody knows about, way more animals than the game and fish knew about. You know, now I think people have wised up to it a little bit, and trail cameras helped us learn all that. But, man, it's kind of nice to be in green country. What's wrong with that? It's pretty. I was like, this last weekend. I was up there. I'm like, this is nice. Gorgeous.

I walked across the snow drift, you know? It's just gorgeous. Quakies, flowers. Yeah, flowers. Yeah. How nice is it to see a flower once in a while? Yeah. It's pretty nice, you know? It's spring out there. Pretty soon, you've got a vase of flowers for a ride. Hey! I got these for you. You wake up in the morning, it's actually cool. Yeah. Instead of the desert, where you're just, yeah. So nice. Well, anyway, some of this country over here is having hailstorms, and I don't know. We're coming into the monsoon season. We're hoping it gets here sooner than later in some of this other country. But then a lot of country there in Arizona. Josh, you were showing us some maps. Talk about that a little bit. Yeah, a lot of that stuff, they're pushing, you know, it used to be extreme drought, and now some of it's going to drought lessening, and even some of it, they're talking about

drought being taken away or being gone, you know? So like the maps show, basically, these are some major drought areas, and then it's saying, you know, this area was in the drought. It's looking like we're going to take it out of the whatever, a drought notification. I don't know what you call it. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's just kind of an index they have, and it'll come and go. But that's a lot of that stuff you're talking about down there in Arizona. And New Mexico, I mean, New Mexico, they were having 300,000 acre fires a month ago, and now it's flooding, and, you know, it's just crazy. It's pretty crazy. I talked to some outfitters down there that told me they got four to six inches at their house. Jeez. Constant drizzle. Wow. Well, let's take a break for a real quick second, talk about red rock. I've set up my red rock.

I actually put a new scope on it, and that's the one thing we were talking about our setups. I actually went down. And I like kind of a lighter weight scope. And with those lighter weight scopes, a lot of times you don't have the range of adjustment, you know. And so you end up with a 900-yard rifle, which is wonderful. And I haven't, well, we did. We did shoot an elk at 1,030 with a different rifle that was actually scoped a little different. But anyway, this red rock I have is totally capable of that if you have the range of adjustment. And so I went down and ended up putting on a 20 MOA rail that I had Kurt Pilcher up there at Red Rock send me. And kind of re-scoped it, so to speak. And I freaking love it. But anyway, shooting 1,200-plus yards with a lightweight little sheep rifle. I mean, just, you know, and it's a 30 nozzle, but just awesome, awesome company to work with.

They care about their product. Just want to shout out to Red Rock Precision, redrockprecision.com. And they've got a custom gun builder, kind of what you would call a little program on their website. You can go through and look at some different options and whatnot and give them a holler as well. Great people, incredible products, and you're just not going to see me getting rid of my redrock anytime soon. Promise you that. But anyway, it's been fun kind of re-scoping that. As I get older, I mean, are you guys, do you guys like the illuminated reticle? Just tell me. Like, am I the only guy in the world that likes the illuminated? I like it. Maybe we're getting old. I don't think we are getting old. We're taking you're 50. I know. That's not that old, right? I don't know. But it's nice. I love it. I love it. I've got one.

I just put one on a gun last year, and it was kind of one of those functions. I had never, I'd shot a red dot scope, you know, on a muzzleloader before, but never on an actual rifle scope. And it was a feature that I never thought I wanted or needed until I did, and I wouldn't buy one without it now. And that's what, it's unbelievable. I put on a, I put on a Swarro. You put on a Zykes, right? Yeah. And anyway, I ended up going with Swarro. Of course, Devin, Devin loves it when I buy stuff too. And he had a hand in which model we chose. And it is, it's an incredible piece of equipment. It's an awesome scope. And it's got, I like that little dot in the middle. Well, that's one thing I was going to bring up. I have an illuminated reticle, and it actually does the whole thing. Right. And I'm not a huge fan of it, to be honest. Yeah. I've never used it. I might need it. Yeah.

But the fine dot, that's what you need. So this is, and that's what I've got. You can adjust it. I agree. It is. And my other one, I actually have a Night Force on one, and it'll light up. I mean, it'll light up. The whole radical. Yeah. Christmas tree. But I like that little red dot. And actually, I was out shooting it. And of course, it's getting dark, as we all do. We try to work. We try to be the Father of the Year award, Husband of the Year award, and then do a little shooting on the side. And I'm out there just at dark. And I'm, dude, I'm hammering them at 900, 1,000. And I would not have been able, when you put black on a darker target at dark, you can't see. Yep. But when you do just a little bit of a red tint. Just that contrast is all you need. Oh, dude. I mean, bed. It extends your time. And so I think that's what happened to you. I mean, you hammered a buck. Yeah.

Basically, it was in that weird lighting. It was. He was kind of the sun had just set behind him. So it was extremely backlit. You know, not physical sunshine, but just the amount of light coming up from behind him. And he was dark side of the ridge, a dark deer, a dark target. And that scope I have, I actually got the fine. It has a fine crosshair. And I probably won't do that one again because I turned 40 a couple years ago. And my eyes suddenly started to get a little bad, too. But you just, you do notice. And all I had to do was, I got down on him. I can't make this shot. And then, oh, yeah, I can turn the illumination on. And I, like you said, I kicked it to like a two. And it just barely turned the line a different shade of contrast. And it was like, oh, geez, that's good. And it's the same thing. It's a tiny little cross that's in the middle of it. You know, like that was saying.

Very fine, though. Yeah. I mean, it's just, and it's your point of hold. Some of those scopes that the whole reticle illuminates, I feel like I get a starburst effect to it a little bit. And when it starts to get lower light, the scope just glows a lot in the glass. I like it when your eyes just focused, one little fine dot. I just love that. Well, speaking of that, I think we have a few of these products, Josh, that were actually kind of what we call a demo, but not a real demo. It hasn't been mounted on a rifle. Yeah. But ones that we've shown people and kind of handled a little bit. Yeah, it's one of those things. We'll get in a, you know, they'll come out with a new reticle or something like that or this whole illuminated thing. And we say, yeah, let's just, we want to physically look through it to be able to tell somebody. Or to say, yeah, I want that on my scope. Right.

Because you can. That's about all that's happened to it. Yeah, you look through it in a magazine and say, okay, that's a good reticle. But you need to pull it out and look at it. Right. And to not do that with all of our scopes, you know, we have a couple that we've done that with just to see. But, yeah, we actually have one of those Zeiss V4 scopes we're talking about. Yeah. That is illuminated. Illuminated. And then we've got some V6s. Yep. And we've also got even, you know, a Vortex. So, you know, one of their state of the art. Yeah. So if there's something that you need, we can make you a deal, like a smoking deal. And so, anyway, just call in. And, you know, probably best to talk to Josh or Devin. Yeah. Anyway, they've got them on hand, exactly what we've got available in that. And, of course, there's a few other items as well.

If you're looking for something in the Swarrow lineup, you know, a BTX or 95mm objective every pair of 15s come to mind of just we've been through the show season. And now we're just getting ready to hunt and got a few items that we wouldn't mind making a guy one heck of a deal on. So, anyway, as we move forward.

To John.

Just this past weekend, I took the Razor. We have the Epic Razor. Yep. Pretty unbelievable. It is unbelievable. Freaking machine. Yeah. I did 100. So the one thing, not 100 miles an hour. I was like, okay. But I might have. You drive it faster than I do. Trust me. Better get a spare belt somewhere on there. When we go to lunch, Adam hates it when I put on a seatbelt. Why would you hate it if a guy's trying to be safe? You know? Well, a lot of the time, people's cars ding and it's annoying. So you want to be. Right. And I fixed the ding. In fact, we did a little family vacation up in Hawaii. We rented a van and I fixed the ding for him. I didn't even charge him. It's a brand new van. Has 3,000 miles. No. That's just fire alarms. Because I can YouTube it. It doesn't mean. Anything you can YouTube is not going to put you in jail. And so anyway, I fixed the ding. Hold on.

Let me write that down. I fixed the ding and nothing flat. I mean, it was just like, even if you're just trying. You're just getting in the car. You just want to go gas up. Nothing. Say, Josh. You're in your hometown. Yeah. Or you could just get on a dirt road. I hate wearing my seatbelt. I hate it. Freaking hate it. So in a Chevy, you can unhook. You climb in there under your seat and unhook the freaking. Manually unhook it. You can still do it on the new ones. Have you ever done a Tundra? No. I don't remember. Yes. Chris is. Yeah. Yeah. Old. The old one. Not the newer one. The new one, you have to.

They can do it for you. You have to tell them you're a farmer and threaten you'll never buy another product from them again. Or something like that, I remember on mine. It's a computer. Or you go buy a receptacle on some junkyard and just snap in a fake receptacle. The lights on the Tundra used to bother me, those orange lights. And so I actually just undid the bulbs. Mine will turn all the way off. But yeah, that ding. Like on a dirt road. You jump out to get gates or whatever. I hate that. I hate it. So you got a soul in the Razor. Go ahead. No, I just say I had a DWR truck once. Same thing. And I always wore my seatbelt when I was driving that truck. Especially on company time. Right? Yes, exactly. But as I would sometimes pull in my driveway, I would just unclick it real quick. And it bothered you. Yeah.

But it was like this whole process. Is that what yours was? Was like click it, unclick it, click it, park, neutral, get out, one foot, stand, turn, back in, turn lights on? Oh, yeah. Well, you turn it on, but you don't start it. Turn it on. You turn it on. And then when the seatbelt light comes on, you unclick, click, unclick, do that three times. And the seatbelt light comes off because you left it clicked. And then when you turn it off, it'll ding. And then the light's off. Yeah. But it has to all be done in 6.25 seconds. Oh, that's right. But it's worth it. I just sit there for an hour. It's worth it. It took me three times. It was pressure. I couldn't perform. I couldn't perform on that pressure. It's worth it. Yeah. So anyway, but come back to the Razor. Yes. You've got to have it. Josh, you and I, I've got to adjust this. You and I were in your side by side. Yeah.

And remember when it was so dusty, it caused us grief. Was that what it ended up being? Yeah, it was. I actually bought, they sold, my brother-in-law has them because he has one too. He bought some little thing that bypasses that you just click the two pieces together and it bypasses. But yeah, it was starting to, almost like the government was kicking in. It was lugging and stuff. Because of dirt. Because of dirt. Yeah. And it wasn't making, the seatbelt wasn't making a good connection when it was in. So I just, a little plug for some of these sport machines, the Razor instead of the General or instead of the Ranger or whatever, is you can go fast. It's like really fast. And so I plug that thing in behind me and then you can run, right? And you don't have to have the seatbelt on. But there were times, John, I put the seatbelt on. I put it over my body.

Yeah. And that's rare, right? I must admit, I mean, there have been times when I ride with you in the hills that I put my seatbelt on. It's offensive to me. I know it's offensive. I've never wrecked. I'm staying near 50. Yeah. I've been with you in four wheels of Ropper, full-size pickup. I did it. But this thing, so my point, I guess, with this Triple S Polaris Razor that we're running, the Epic version, you can cover some freaking ground. And one day we did 160 miles-ish. I did 125 or 30 out here in Nevada. Crushed 30 cameras, was home by 4 p.m. and mowed my lawn. So I, A, got husband of the year award, got dad of the year award because my kids didn't have to do it, and I did all my trail camera work. And out there in this other part of the country, I crushed cameras like it was my job because it's hard to fit in.

Work life, home life, make sure everything's happy, you know, mix in some church. You just end up, you've got to, time is valuable. And, I mean, we crushed the place. And so, and I'm not saying I wasn't wore out or whatever, but I'm just saying there's a reason we kind of go with some of these sport machines. And, yeah, they're fun, but a lot of it is. Colton set it up, I mean, changed up the gear reduction, made it to where it packs the weight, a lift, major tires. I mean, Jared got in and he goes, these tires are bigger than my truck. I'm like, yeah, they are. They're legit. By the way, feel this, you know. And off we go. But it's unbelievable. So, anyway, if you're looking to get set up, you know, don't hesitate to visit Triple S Polaris, 435-865-0100. Tell them we sent you. But super happy, John, you came over and got it and freaking went downtown.

Of course, I don't think you were supposed to do it downtown. But go ahead. No, I mean, if you check it out, one of the great things about living in a small town, living in Cedar City, is they've made it legal on all the roads. But state highways are off limits, so. Aren't you supposed to have blinkers and stuff? I'd stick my arm out the window. How about insurance? We got insurance. I have a road kit on mine. And one time I got out and my elbow bumped the horn. First light. Dead calm. Done with that. Done with it. I always pull the fuse on the horns. Yeah, it's over now. Even in trucks. Because you end up leaning on them, you know. Glassing. Yeah. Man, there might have to be some touch and goes in Colorado lots with that trailer this year. Coming from north, south, east, west. Swapping. I don't know.

I think just one more thing about Triple S is if you're thinking about getting a machine, a lot of them now, they're saying with COVID, the best way is just to call ahead and talk to them about availability and stuff. You might have to preorder, and that's the best way to get them. I'm so sick and tired of that. We're here in America. We should not have to preorder everything. John, you're talking about still shot cameras. You have to preorder because of all the chips and the computerized parts that come from other places. I'm tired of it. I don't want. But that's our day and age. It is. It's our day and age. It's crazy. Yeah. If you want to go to dinner. If you want to go to dinner. Sold out. Sold out. Sold out. People act like it's their last meal. You know what I mean? Yeah. Everybody's doing everything. You can't do anything without forethought. Yeah. You know? Crazy.

Well, and I think that's one of the things that you're talking about. Optics, we just loaded up during COVID, and so we've got good stock on stuff that's hard to find. Yeah. So, yeah, if you're looking for something on optics, too, give us a call. Even these smart range finders, we've got, like, the SIG range finders we have in stock, those 8Ks are unbelievable. And that's another thing. When I was talking about my rifle setup, you know, I took out the SIG 8K. It was pretty unbelievable, and I talked about it a little bit earlier. But I also, I liked it, and I don't know, Devon, John, Josh, what you guys like to do, but I like to test it. Like, I have a hard time. I go back to tape and stuff on the side of my stock. Like, you remember how you used to have to tape on, you know, what you'd dial to? Unless you had a cut turret for the yardage. Yeah.

You know, you would say, well, you dialed a such and such MOA, or you use this reticle. I used to use the BRH reticles and the BRX. And you would say, this reticle on this hunt at an average of 7,000 foot in elevation and 55 degrees, this is where your reticles would come in at. And you use an app to figure that out, right? It's all math based off of bullet drop and, you know, the different environmental variables and whatnot. But I use a bullet drop app, and it's just called Bullet Drop. And I enter the weight, the ballistic coefficient, the muzzle velocity, where you're zeroed at and whatnot, and then check it. Well, I went out to the range, did that, and I threw in that great big old muzzle or bullet, 300 grainer. You know what I mean? But it's cooking at 2,600 feet a second. Did this whole app, and then it said to dial 26 minutes of angle.

It went all the way around one, and then came around again, you know? And, dude, freaking hammered the target. Perfect. Within inches. I'm just saying, like, guys that are listening to this, if you don't have a smart range finder or whatever, like, we can talk you through this over the phone. Like, don't be scared of turrets. Don't be scared of kind of this new age way. It makes 500 yards. I remember it, and my first big deer, you know, the second 200-incher, but net, booked non-typical, 2003. Guys used to laugh at me. The guys were just getting into long range then. And I had a regular scope, and I was proud of it. I thought it was awesome. And it was a 300 Weatherby mag. It was a Remington 700 chambered in a 300 Weatherby mag, one of the rare. And it was synthetic with, it was synthetic stock and a stainless barrel. I was freaking, I thought I had the cat's eye, you know what I mean?

I mean, the best of the best. And it just had the regular old crosshair. I can't remember. It was, I mean, I was aiming up, aiming high, this and that. And long story short, the deer died, okay? But to get it to the death point was a little bit of a struggle. And it was 400 and something yards, okay? And my point is, we're so much better. We know it was nothing. That's a chip shot. And I have guys asking, you know, on this particular hunt, you know, this gun I have is good to 500. Honestly, the gun he has is really probably a 700 or 800 yard gun, no problem. It's just a matter of knowing how to use the equipment he has, even the equipment he has. And so if anybody needs help on that, we can talk you through that. We've got, maybe you add a range finder to your arsenal and that helps you utilize the most out of your scope that you've got on it.

Or maybe you need to sell the scope you got and for a few hundred bucks you can upgrade to a turret with a smart range finder. Even a bullet drop app. My kids don't have smart range finders, but they have guns that are thousand yard guns out of the box. Set up the scope. We went out. We were shooting. We were shooting 1,100 yards with Justin's rifle. And all it was, and bullet drop app, you can calculate that, put it on the side of your stock, and just a regular range finder that would angle compensate would be all you would really have to have. Although we're spoiled, and I like it when it just spits out a perfect exact value. Based off of all the environmental conditions that this little machine knows what it is. So pretty fun. Even the muzzlers, you're like, I'm not going to shoot a muzzler 750 yards.

But when it's nailing stuff at 750, I have all the confidence in the world at 300 and 400. And it's got enough energy to do it. Now it's like throwing a rock. By the time you get to 700, it's going to probably bounce off of something. I don't know. It probably won't. Well, my elk last year, I was good out to 700 at the range, and I ended up killing it at 350. Right. You know. Right. Which in that country you're in. That's not a long shot, really. No. I mean. Did it just feel like a chip shot, though? Yeah. Yeah, it did. You know. But I'd practiced out, you know, out to 700, and I was pretty confident. Yeah. I've got to throw you under the bus. All right. Throw me under the bus. Have you cleaned that muzzler? Seriously. No. I'm not going to. It was raining. Jason, it was raining the whole time. It was raining the whole time that gun's cleaned.

I'm never going to shoot that gun again in my life. Isn't it right there? Yes. I'll take a home and clean it for you. The reason why. Yes. So black powder, very corrosive, John. I know. I know. So I looked at this gun, and I'm like, this freaking thing hasn't been cleaned. John's like, no. And I'm like, it changes color. Like, that stuff, it eats barrels. Like, I have eight barrels. It took 20-something, 30 years. That old night rifle, I wish it would have never pitted. And I was careful with that. But anyway. Whatever. I'm just saying out there, the guys, your gear is good enough with a little bit of adjustment. Maybe it's a scope. Maybe it's a scope and even an inexpensive rangefinder. A Vortex makes a great inexpensive rangefinder. And you could be shooting long range. And when you shoot, it goes back to this theory of you, Devin, shooting 100 yards with your bow.

It makes 60 feel like nothing. 70, totally doable. Right? Yeah. It's the same theory on these rifles. And so, you know, 6, 7, 100 yards, just nothing. No problem. And I think a key thing that you brought up was you went out and tested it. Yeah. So, you're real world testing your app, testing your equipment. Yeah. I mean, with bows, everything. Like, we talk about drawing or holding back a draw. I've been trying to do that lately, be better at that. Like, my last couple shots of the day, I'll try to make it to two minutes before I shoot. It's brutal. Yeah. Because you're going to have to do it. Yeah. Even if it's 30 seconds in the heat of the moment, it'll make you that much better. Yeah. And, like, the other day, you went shooting. And I was like, you shot yesterday? It was like hurricane of winds. Dude, we shot. But that's testing. Well, it was. It was 50 miles.

Well, I called the airport because it logs the knots. Yeah. And then we did a knot conversion. It was like 49.8 miles per hour. And I was like, and Justin was like, holy crap. I don't know. I mean, we still hammered it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so. But, like, yeah, I always pick a calm day. Well. But I shouldn't. I need to go. Yeah. You should go out and test it. See what the wind does. And you talk to a lot of guys. And, like John was saying, 350-yard shot. I mean, that's a long shot with a muzzle on it, for sure. It's a long shot with a muzzle on it, yeah. But at the same, like, that country that you're in, big canyons, across canyons, a lot of times, we're in those burns. If you're the same level with them or something, you're not going to get a shot. So you may have to get up and shoot across something. So a 350-yard shot is a reality.

In some country, with a muzzleloader, you know, and a 5-plus with a rifle, you know. Well, and even it's so thick, sometimes you have to get up a little bit. Yep. To see, you know, down into little openings. Yeah. So it's a reality. And I think a lot of guys, oh, yeah, I'm good to 200. Well, that's not going to get you. You do need to practice it farther than that. So another thing with that 8K that I'll just mention out, like, technical thing, they come with, those Sig Sauer rangefinders come with a wind meter. Well, in the past, they have never worked with an Apple phone. Oh, really? And the new ones do. They'll Bluetooth to your Apple phone. It just, they wouldn't communicate with the Apple phone. Which means they could never really be marketable to a graphic designer. Right, exactly. Because graphic designers only use Apple. That's right. You don't even like my PC at all.

No, and I have to fix it all the time. Didn't you say that Apple products never get, like, infiltrated with, what do they call them? Well, I mean, they can. Parasites. They can. Virus. They call it a virus. That's right. A fungus. They can. They just don't very often. Apples get funguses. They don't get virus. And they don't slow down. Like, mine hasn't slowed down. Like, I keep one for six years, and it doesn't slow down. Yeah. Well, I know Devin and Wyatt love theirs. Yeah. You guys love them. The Samsung Active I had for four years, and I almost turned it up. Well, we don't want to go down that road. I miss it. Let's just say that. You've got an Apple product now. Yeah. I can tell when you're typing, there's bubbles that come up. Yeah. I can tell when messages have been. What did you say? Turn blue or something? Yeah, yeah. I don't know how that works. Messages get delivered.

It says delivered. I know he's got it. Because I have an iPhone? Because you have an iPhone. Yeah. So when I'm out hunting and ignoring you guys because I'm in the zone, and you see delivered, you're like, he has service. He knows. He's checked. Who doesn't check their phone? You're checking for your wife. You can turn that off. You can? Yeah. B.S. No, you can turn that off. I'm turning it off as soon as we're done with this podcast. Sometimes I want to. Let's have a tutorial. Sometimes you have to think about it. But I don't want to offend them. Same thing with when people call you. If you just send it to voicemail, they know you got sent to voicemail. No, I like the iPhones. I just don't like how the photo conversions and all the. Wyatt hates the. Well, and that's also because you've got a PC. So if you had a Mac. Wyatt hates the alarm on these. Somehow the alarm bugs him.

I'm going to have to ask him. Well, we're going to call him in a minute and see if he's working. We probably need to make sure he's still here. Well, that's a good point. He might have contracted COVID in the last 15 minutes. He has been vaccinated, but I don't think he trusts that. But I don't know. So anyway, yeah. Triple S. What else? There's a couple other things. Well, let's throw out a. Let's just shout out to Blaine St. James. If you're looking for a hunting property. They specialize in like hunting and fishing type properties. And have some stuff that's just, you know, if you're ready to buy your dream place, you know, they've got some amazing places. So give him a call. 855-711-SJSP. Or see them on the web at SJS. Okay, let me start that over. SJSportingproperties.com. You know what's cool about his stuff? You'll see it on Instagram or advertised or anything like that.

He always has like trail cameras and stuff. And I'm thinking, how many realtors are going to involve trail camera photos of things on the property to try and sell property? That's what I like. And he also knows he's such a, he's a very avid hunter and trophy hunter. So he knows like the Landowner Tab program. He knows the value to a hunting site of a property. And so, yeah, he's a wealth of information. He's also very savvy. If you didn't listen to a podcast we did with him on all 40, 50 podcasts ago. Where basically he's pretty privy to the local economies around that ranch. So like this ranch is a good value. You're going to, you know, never lose on it, so to speak. In fact, there's actually growth and you may make a ton of money plus be able to hunt it. Like he's thinking about a lot of those things. He's very business oriented.

He's got a business mind, but he's also an avid hunter and can help a guy from a hunting perspective. So anyway, someday down the road if I have a, you know, good chunk of change, which probably will never happen, I'll be definitely giving him a call. But he does work with smaller ranches too. So no matter how much money you're willing to spend, if you do want to invest in a hunting property of any kind, why, definitely worth a phone call. He's a good friend of ours and he's fun to visit with. He's a hunter. He's one of us and just a super good guy. So anyway, and we talked about Stealth Cam. Josh, we ended up with some, my wife loves it when there's new products that come in the office. We've about had a parting of ways. I just hid behind my computer. We call my office, we call my office the fish bowl because I've got, I'm surrounded.

Like everywhere I look, there's somebody looking at me. You got beta fish staring at each other over top of you. We had these cameras come in and Jana was like, what are these? None of your business. That's the downside to having your wife work in your office. There's some things that are delivered to the office that aren't necessarily needing to go through the front office gals. And I do want to interrupt and admit, I kind of threw you under the bus. I don't think I told you yet. No, you, what, what? Well, Jana came in and she's like, what are these? Who's like, where did these come from? And I didn't know. And I said, I maybe, I think Jason was going to look at those or test them or. And so I said the word Jason.

She knows. She knows. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Next thing I knew, I was a clownfish between two betas. Going at it. Just typing away. Well, she does. Bless her heart.

There's a lot of good there. But there's some products that need to be tested. And there's some new cameras. Anyway, we've got a whole shipment of them now. But there was also a new camera that GSM Outdoors promotes. And we need to test them. And Josh, who better than me, you, Devin, and John to test some of these cameras. And so anyway, some new cellular type options. Of course, I had a buddy that's like, hey, cellular cameras in Utah are outlawed. And I'm like, no, they're not. You can use anything you want up until. Basically considered a regular camera. Yeah. So there's times when it makes sense. And of course, we're all jealous because your big deer are in cell range and mine aren't. And it's kind of bothersome. So anyway, Devin, you're talking about it too. Even though you don't have a tag locally, you're kind of half thinking you need to be knowing what's going on.

I was thinking tomorrow or the next day putting one out. But I've never put a camera there and not had it stolen. So this time, I'm going to get their face. You know what I mean? You are. If you see an antenna there, maybe they'll think twice. Well, it's true. Like, oh, he already knows I'm here. I put up cellulars without a box because it's got this antenna. And I do immediate downloads. Unlike Josh, I like to see the doves. I do immediate downloads. And I don't care. Hey, come take this camera. You know? And you might make social media. You know what I mean? So I think there's a lot of truth to that. And that's fun. Like, I mean, dude, you're scouting from your desk. It's pretty fun. But anyway, if you need cameras, we've got a ton of them. Give us a holler. Happy to help you, you know, get set up. Of course, there's finite windows in a lot of these states.

And in some states, there's no problems at all. You can, you know, New Mexico, they, you know, they're going to change their muzzleloader, the muzzleloader restrictions and a few things like that. But I don't see much change coming from what I'm hearing for camera usage or, you know, some of these other technologies. And so they, and they, they like it. There's a lot of crazy wild country in New Mexico. You all know that's the way I feel about New Mexico. I love it. They, we name all our animals here in Utah because we know about them all. You know, it feels like Utah is just so aggressive. But you go to New Mexico, you could have a giant bull in Unit 6 or 23 or 21 guaranteed there's big bulls. And nobody talks about that, you know, because a lot of people don't know about them. They're just, there's a lot of big, giant, roadless, amazing country in that state and a low population base.

We, similar to Nevada, you got a couple of, you know, Albuquerque or whatever. You got a couple of, you know, Reno or Vegas, but then there's a lot of country with no people. So pretty fun. But anyway, I'm just wondering, do we, didn't we have a question for Wyatt? Yeah, there was. I'm pretty sure it was specifically asked for him. I'll have to find it. Maybe. I'm thinking about. Do you want to call him? Yeah, I'm thinking about giving him a holler. And then maybe what we do is we just visit with him for just a quick second and talk about, A, what he's doing and if he's still here. And then, and then, B, maybe, maybe a concert goer question or something like that. I'm sure you've got something there for him specific.

Okay, we ready? We're ready. Here we go. I found the question. He's not going to answer. Call Wendy. She'll put us on park one. And then, uh. I guess you have to call the office. Oh, hold on. I've got you calling in on the other line. Hey, what are you doing? No, just working. B.S. Yeah. There's a rumor going around that you don't work, especially on concert weekends. That's what I've heard, too. Is it true or not? That's what I've heard, too. Sometimes you've got to take Mondays off to get caught up, I guess. Are you going to, like, defend yourself? What do you got to say for yourself? You let these guys have busy Mondays on their own. Nobody talks about the six fire months that you didn't miss a day at work. They bring up the two that you did miss. It's so true. I remember the girls when, you know, when you came in, you came in to work, like, I want to say it was 8.20 a.m.

And you were just dropping a truck off to get an oil change or something. And the girls were worried about you. Like, they came in and they're like, is Wyatt okay? Like, is he okay? And I'm like, yeah, he is. And he's like, well, I've just never seen him miss a day at work, let alone, you know, 20 minutes. It's a big deal. Well, anyway. Wyatt's the hub of his place. Every spoke runs away from him. When his. Runs away is the key. When his routine is off, all of us, like, something's wrong. It breaks us. It does. Makes us nervous. We don't know what to do. I know it. Somehow you've got a clench hold on these guys. But Wyatt, you know, Josh, we were getting ready to do a question and answer podcast, you know, the next couple of podcasts. But we've interjected a couple of questions for this podcast. And one is directly related and meant for you.

And so Josh is going to go ahead and read that question. Yeah, this guy actually asked two questions. And so we figured we could use one now. This is Garrison Kinzel. And he says, because concerts were brought up on the last episode, I want to know from you guys, if you had to get up on stage with one artist slash band and sing a song, what artist would it be? And what song would you pick? I guess while you're thinking about that, Adam, Adam did leave his response. He said he would go back to 1983 and get on stage with Cyndi Lauper and sing Girls Just Want to Have Fun.

He did? I'm sure it's on a sticky note.

That's hilarious. So with that, Wyatt. Yeah. I could picture Wyatt singing Girls Just Don't Want to Have Fun, huh? Yeah, that's a good response. Wyatt, what would you be singing? I think I'd have to go with like Billy Joel and the Piano Man. Yeah. Very good. You know, this is where I think I'd have to go with that. All right. All right. Well, Wyatt, so things have been cranking in our office. We've had Arizona results come out, all kinds of different things. But how's your schedule looking? And have you been shooting your bow, rifles? What have you been doing? Gosh, you know, I haven't been doing much besides concerts, as you guys probably already talked about there. That's how my weekends have been spent. And you got COVID yesterday, right? You had COVID. I don't know if it was COVID. I had a sickness. I don't think it was COVID because I'm feeling good today.

Well, you went and got tested, didn't you? Yes, I did test. What did they say? They made me test. I got negative. I didn't go get tested. I had a home test at the place. Do you think those Biden tests are even accurate, really? I don't know. But my wife's a nurse, and she gave it to me. Do you take everything she gives you? No. I try to fight her on most things.

Oh, good stuff. We did do that. Okay. So you're – but being sick yesterday, you did get out of a little bit of family stuff. So there was a little positive. A little positive there. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we need to edit that out.

I don't know that she could be keyed into my – Yeah, you're good. We actually weren't recording, Wyatt, so you're good. You're good. I wouldn't even worry about that. A little basic strategy. I'm just teasing you. That came from me. It didn't come from you. All right. All right. Well, good. Is there anything you're excited about? What do you got? Usually you've got a little anxiety going, some draw results or something else. But what's going on today? Anything good? I'm relieved the application season is officially done, other than points only. A little disappointed. I didn't draw any great tags, but relieved that it's done. You've got a great schedule lined up. Yeah. So. So. All right. Looking forward to next year. Well, mostly, Josh just wanted to make sure you were still here. And, you know, it's 4-17. And just making sure you were still here and you weren't super sick.

You drink plenty of water today, Wyatt? Plenty of water. Yep. I haven't tried your mountain spring water, though. Your green aluminum cans. You're safe. Oh, I drank the last one yesterday. Yeah. I figured. Pretty good. Arkansas water. They say it's the best. So. All right, buddy. Okay. Sounds good. We'll get back after it. We'll see you in a minute. All right.

All right. Well. I think that's. I don't know. We're going to talk about a quick story. You know what's funny? I just realized that there's an inordinate amount of us who have wives that are either have been nurses or nurses or work at hospitals. Yeah. We need the good insurance. Devin's the only one. I'm the only one. And an inordinate amount of us that get told what to do. Yes. By all those wives. I was just thinking. Like 100%. I mean. If my wife wanted to poison me. I mean. It would be easy. I just take anything she gives me. I know. She's a nurse. And it's like. You got to think about this, John. Okay. I'll just do it. I just.

They say all women are crazy. And every one of us are taking anything and everything that they give us. I don't know. I know. Just saying. Just saying. All right. Well. Are we about done? Or do we need to leave a story?

A bonus story on the end? Huh? Oh. I think we were talking about shot placement, Devin. We were going to talk a little bit about shot placement. And there's something that always sticks with me. And it was. It was my dad. Years and years and years and years and years ago. Said. You know. At times. You're not always going to have the perfect broadside shot. And if you wait for the perfect broadside shot. And you give up. Other great shots. Maybe just as good. Honestly. Then. You know. You ought to rethink things. Because sometimes it's about. If you can picture your arrow going in and getting into the vitals. That's the goal. And I had that. I had. The pretty boy buck. As a 220 buck. And. You know. We. I had stocked in on him. I think it was like. Five or six times. And the wind had swirl. Or change. Or. Something always happened. Well. This particular time. This deer. I was in a burn.

And. This particular deer. Is. As if. You remember. You know how burns have. Like carbon. And you remember how carbon was a big deal for scent. You know. Kind of.

Deodorizing your clothes. Or whatever. Anyway. I don't know if that had something to do with it. But I had a doe. Came out. He got up to feed. A doe comes out. And she comes over. And she freaking sniffed my arm. Okay. Right. Chris was watching it. Filming it. Whatever. From a distance. And she comes up and sniffed my arm. I'm like. It's over. It's over. She's going to blow. It's over. I mean. I'm not wearing any cover scent. Or anything like that. I never do. It's just always. Wind in your face. Kind of thing. And she doesn't. She doesn't spook her. Nothing. She just keeps walking. I'm feeding. Nothing. Right. So then he comes in. He comes out. And. He's feeding. And he's feeding. Toward me. And. When he goes behind a dead tree. Or at least his eyes do. I draw. And he comes out. And he's feeding. And he's facing me. He's 23 yards. Okay. And he's feeding. And he just keeps feeding.

And facing me. And I'm at full draw. And it goes back to your two minute thing. I'm sitting there holding it. Holding it. Holding it. And I'm like. Hey. I'm starting to shake. And like. And I can. I can hit a quarter. At 23 yards. At this point in my life. Right. And I'm like. Okay. Where would you take. If I'm that deer. And I had hands. Where would I take my pulse. Like that carotid artery. You got the. You know. The indention in the neck. I aim for that. And I'm like. If I hit that. He is freaking dead. But if I miss it. Where's that arrow. Going to go. And a lot of times. You could aim a little bit high. And end up in their back strap. Or you know. Backbone. Or whatever. And so I brought it down. Still standing in that crease. But brought it down. Into where it's going to go. Into his body. And going to go right through the vitals. Like. How can I go wrong? You know. Like.

I'm going to touch it off. And I touched it off. And it hammered that artery. And went through the length of his body. And came out. Right in front. Of his hind quarter. In the gut section. So it went. It went. Hit the artery. And went through the length of his body. Through all the vitals. And came out in that little soft skin. Right there.

Right there. And. I don't know. He didn't go far. Oh. It was like. I don't know. I want to. I want to say 50 or 60 yards. But he shouldn't have gone that far. And it was like. You just. You know. Blew up. Gallons of blood everywhere. Like it was everywhere. So bloody. And. Anyway. It just reminded me. You know. Of. Of. Making it happen. Like having the mindset. Like I'm killing this deer. Or I'm killing this elk. And. And. The aggression. You know. A lot of guys are scared. They get within 100 yards. But they kind of lock up. If you're in thick trees with an elk. Or whatever. Elk make lots of noise. It's okay. To make a rut. To make a rush on them. It's okay. When you're in tight. If you can. To make that happen. And then when you're in there close. How am I going to make. How am I going to put this arrow in his vitals. I'm going to put this arrow in his vitals.

I'm going to make it happen. And. And if it's just. The most picture perfect. Everything's perfect. Never. You know. Whatever. That doesn't happen. Very often. And so. Anyway. I know you were talking about it as well. Yeah. I was. Well. You talk about that. Within 100 yards. Sometimes you just have to go for it. If it fails. It fails. You're giving yourself a chance. Yeah. But if you stand there. And let it. Let the animal decide. A lot of the times. Most of the time. It's not going to happen. No. But shot placement. But I always try to think like. If. You know. Laser beam. Boom. Straight through. Where it's going to go. Like shoot through. You know what I mean. Yep. And I killed a buck. He's. He was like. He was drinking water. And he was steep angle. So I had to think like. Okay. I can't. You know. Just. Same thing. Boom. Hit him high shoulder. And it came out right down there.

Same thing with you. He went 50 yards. Done. Shot another one. That was. He was quartering away. So far. That I was. Just off. Where I set my pin. Was just off his hind corner. And just. Just smoked him. You know what I mean. And it buried him. Went up into his heart. The only thing sticking out was the knock. He went like 110 yards. Wow. No blood. It was all internal. Because there was no exit. But. Yeah. If I would. If I would aim to that deer behind the shoulder. Right. It wouldn't happen. But. Yeah. Just little things you have to think of. Just like shoot through. Like where is that arrow going to go if it goes clear through. Straight line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you were to aim at the lungs. I mean. You'd have been in front of everything. Right. Or you'd have caught maybe part of a lung. Yeah. Instead you've got to aim back to make sure. And you've just got a picture.

Where that's going. I've had clients do that. Where they. They shot. And I thought. What. I said. Where were you aiming? He said. Right behind the shoulder. And it's like. That's not always the right answer. Right. Yeah. You know. It's just not. Well. And I've seen people. A lot of times. And it'll be. Whether they. They hit. Hit them. Or they'll eventually kill them. Or whatever. But a lot of guys. When they hide. Hold behind the shoulder. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But they're not just. Just behind the shoulder. You know. They're. A foot behind the shoulder. Mid body. You see a lot of that. And it's barely. If you're back far enough. It's just barely hitting the back of the lungs. I feel like. When a lot of guys shoot. Behind the shoulder. They're shooting. The spine. Or kind of in that pocket. Just below the spine. I've seen a lot of stuff. Get away. Getting shot up high.

Like that. And back. As well. Stuff that gets shot back. And it takes a day or two. To die. Because they're just. Behind the shoulder. And I think. Especially for a right hand shooter. One way or another. You may even pull a little. You may pull that way. If the deer stand to the left. You may pull it farther. Than you think you are. And I always. You know. When I'm with my kids. Especially with rifles and stuff. I don't. Just go straight up the leg. You know. I was just trying to tell them. Just go straight up the leg. And as soon as you start to hit the body. That's where you need to be. Because. I feel like they're probably. Going to go up a little higher. And probably go back a little farther. Than what I'm telling them. But. I don't know. It's always just something. I always really try. And. And try and tell them. And something I've always focused on. Is. Don't think about.

Where my shot's going to be. As far as. Just like. Okay. I got to put it behind the shoulder. Like. Okay. That's the spot. Like. Think about that spot. Where it's going to go. And focus on just that spot alone. After you've made a determine. Is it three. Is it quartering away. Quartering to me. Straight on. Whatever. But. Once you decide. Where that arrow. That bullet. Whatever needs to go. You just really need to focus on that spot. And nowhere else. Yeah. Make sure you're on that spot. I think another thing we. You know. Need to do. Is. Is to make sure you. Have range. You. You range fine. Where you are. Aiming for. As best you can. And at times. We talked about this. At times you're. You know. At times you end up.

Ranging. The tree. Or a bush. Or whatever. And he's just not. Quite right there. Or whatever. And we just misjudge it. Yeah. And it can cause you some grief. So. Yeah. So one story. An admission.

When they're tight quartering. When they're a tight quarter. No matter how good you are. It. It. Sometimes doesn't go off perfect. Right. You know. I had a tight quartering. 50 yarder. And. And. I hit exactly. Where I was aiming. I hit exactly. And the. In the broad head. It was such. So tight. Right behind. It was right. Right behind the shoulder. But. From my. Perception. The area. The arrow buried in him. And. And off he went. And everything was great. And I was like. This. This bull's done. And. And. And. And he was. It was a good shot. But. What it did was. Is it went up the ribs. It was a tight. Tight enough. It went. It kind of went up the ribs. And into the armpit. Oh. Yeah. Okay. And so. But there's some. There's some major. Vein feeding the front leg. And it severed that. It went up in the armpit. And then when they're running. It just. It severed all that. And. And. So.

We tracked this bull. And it was like. You. You pricked a. A gallon jug of milk. And. And put it. Under your arm. And start walking. Consistent. Consistent. And heavy. For a mile and a half. Like. I did not know an elk. Had this much blood in it. You know. You know. I mean. Just like. How is he still going? Yeah. Like. How is he still going? And it was like. That was a heck of a great shot. Bleeding. Everything is amazing. We didn't push him. We waited a half hour. Whatever. 45 minutes. Probably should have waited an hour. But I can't. And I'm like. What is going on? And it was like. That jug emptied. And they pricked another jug. And another jug. And we just kept on tracking this bull. Chris was there. And anyway. All on film. And. We walked up on him stone dead. You know. Wow. And it was like. A mile and a half. Well. When we dissected him. And we're. We're.

Quartering him and everything. The arrow never penetrated. The rib cage. Never penetrated the rib cage. Wow. And so. Sometimes those tight ones. They can skip up the ribs. Even though it didn't look like it did. You know. It. Just a little bit. Went right up in there. And buried in there. Buried in there. But never actually. You know. Went into. Well. It's hard to tell how they're. What those angles are. Yeah. A lot of the times. I think they were perfectly broad side. And I get up to them. And the exit holes clear back here. Yeah. Coming out their chest. Or me. And. I thought he was perfectly broad side. And it could have been the way it. You know. It maybe hit a rib. And it glanced. Yeah. And it changed the angle. Or whatever. There's a few things. And so. You want things as in your favor. As best as possible. Especially on a big animal. But. Anyway. It's kind of fun. Kind of.

An experience you'll never forget. And. Got a few of those. Interesting moments. Seems like I remember the ones that I really messed up on the most. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well.

What were you going to tell the story? I was going to say. That range in the bush idea. Doesn't work so good sometimes. When did you do that? I lost a lot of sleep. Last year. Would have been my biggest bull. And I. I had ranged the bush. And it was at 60 yards. And there's one tight opening. And. All of a sudden. The bull bugles. It's the last five minutes. It's over. Basically. Like. This is it. Comes out. Puts his front leg out. Like. Kill me. And I just. Everything was fine. Touched it off. Right under him. Jeez. You know. And. Yeah. He was at like 70. We don't like to. Yeah. He was deeper in there. And that. That 10. 12 yard difference. That was the last evening. That was it. Right. Yeah. The end of it. Yeah. Well. And then there's. One other story. Rifle. We got to throw a rifle story in there. So. I'm in Colorado. Unit 68. And. I'm going to. I'm hunting on my own.

Videoing on my own. Videoing myself. Set up the camera. So. It's just one of those times in your life. I'm just. I'm young. I'm super aggressive. And. I. You know what I mean. I. Nothing. Phases you. You just. You're. You're invincible. Right. So I'm crushing the mountainside. But I mean. I'm. I'm hiking down this ridge. I find this buck. He's like a mid 90s buck. I'm like. I'm shooting this deer. And I set up the camera. I talk into it. Hey. I'm going to smash this buck. Like. You know. I should have just got down and shot him. I think I've seen this video. Yeah. And so anyway. I get in there. And. I. I shoot him. And. And. I mean. It's perfect. And he. Just humps up. And then. Turns around. I'm like. What? Turns around. Hammer him again. And down he goes. Well. I walk over there. So I'm shooting.

A custom rifle. But it was. But it was set up for burgers. You know. A lot of these guys really like burgers. And. Burgers. There's a lot of. People that like them. I. I don't really like them. I like a solid core. That. A bonded bullet. I like a lead core bonded bullet. Personally. But. But even the solid coppers are good. The burger. It's just. To me. It's designed to blow up. Right. Well. This one's doing. This is a. 180 class. I think it's a 178 or something. And it's going.

Probably fast. Like 3700 feet. Probably fast. No idea. 3700 feet a second. It's freaking smoking. Okay. It was like that 300 Tejas or whatever round. Remember.

The entry. My fist could fit. In the entry hole. And it hit nothing. It did not go in sideways. It didn't hit a little branch. The entry. The entry. Was my fist going through there. And so anyway. I called him up. And I'm like. I don't get these burgers. Like. The entry. Was like. And he goes. That's what they're supposed to do sir. He's like. It's like a little atom. A little. Or a little. Grenade. A little hand grenade. Going up in their chest. With crap going everywhere. And I'm like. I don't even know if there was a real exit. I think. It literally blew up in the chest cavity. Which you would say. That's amazing. Like it obliterated every organ that deer had. But. I want. What if I would have. What if I. What if it was quartering away or something. And the wind. Made the bullet. You know. Hit him in the hip or something. A bonded bullet would shove up through.

Or what if you're shooting through some sagebrush. Right. Or calders or something. Right. So I just haven't been a burger fan. Yeah. But. But. Part of it's probably the speed. And a lot of guys will say. I've only shot burgers. And everything's died that they touched. A lot of guys would say that. So. Yeah. Back in my prior days. I had that argument many many times. And so now what? My. I like. Well burgers. If they're slow enough. They're good. They'll mushroom back. And they'll. They'll. They're fine. But they're very accurate. But. How do you beat a Nasser Accu Barns? I. I can't. I love. I shoot a Barnes. A full copper. Yeah. In one of my rifles. And it. It's fine. It performs. But the Hornady ELDX is a bonded bullet. And it's awesome too. You know what I mean? Doesn't hold like an Acubon. Those. Acubons hold. Yeah. They don't. They don't hold.

They're similar to a burger in my opinion. Well. My. Yeah. But they. A lot of the calibers that shoot them real well. Shoot them slow enough. Yeah. Like my 30 Nosler. It's just. It's toned down. It's not a 300 ultra. Those 143s. They're all going under 3000. And they. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. My 30 Nosler is kind of a tone. A really toned down 300 ultra mag. Where the 300 ultras. You know. It's spitting them out there. If you juice it up a little bit. So. Anyway. Just a little something something. Just interesting stuff. That you learn as you. As you go along. And you kind of get what you like. And. You learn what you like. And whatnot. So. All right. Fellas. Do we got anything else? It's freaking hot in this office. Yep. It feels like. We didn't even turn the fan on today. Gosh. And it feels like. It feels hot. Right? Yeah. Yep. Glad I'm not the only one. All right. Fellas. Okay.

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