EP 249: Adam's Dall Sheep Double - Q&A Part 4

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, John Peterson, we got Josh, Wyatt, also geez, we got everybody but... Where's Devin? Devin. Devin, he's got a tag in Nevada, we're not going to tell anybody where, because he'll end up probably meeting them in the restroom up there in some famous place. But hey, whatever, he is having a good time, stalking bucks, and sending back text, pictures, things like that, and here we are in the office, so whatever. How about his tent picture from last night? Yeah, we should post that up. Hey, hey, let's post that up on the ad when we publish this podcast. Make sure your fly's done up. Make sure your fly's up. He went out scouting, and I guess it blew the tent fly off, and then it rained, it poured while he was out and about, and he came back to a bloody mess. He had a lake in his tent. And the world famous tent cop.

But I just want to ask you guys, do any of you feel bad for Devin? No. Hope you get wet, Devin.

Anyway, he's having a good time starting it off right. August 10th, the opener in Nevada, it's always kind of fun, because that's like the first major hunt except for California, and the California guys that are listening to this right now are pretty mad because they were hunting in July or something. I don't know. When do they hunt? Two of these have been dying for three weeks. That's right. We have gotten a few photos. That's weird, and they're rutting the end of July. Are they really elk? Just tell me that. Are they really elk? What are they, an African animal? I don't know what they are. They don't look. They sure look like an elk to me. They don't act like other species of elk, though. Aren't they bugling in like June, July, and stuff like that? Yeah. It's all that salt water they drink.

Whatever.

They live in California. I guess you've got to be weird. No, I'm just teasing everybody. All right. So, anyway, here we are. Bronson, he's been gone the last couple of podcasts. It seems like we've done two since he was gone. He's been up in the north country. Great white north. But it wasn't white, but the great north. Great north. And had quite an experience. Yeah. Lucky to be back alive, quite frankly. Well. Dude, you dump a raft, you're lucky to be back. Yeah, that wasn't fun. That was the first night. But it made me glad I had good gear because you had everything inside your pack. I also had one of the QU, the Teiku bags outside my pack. So, I had that, my pack in, and then inside that pack, your clothes are in dry bags. And now you're glad you do that. And the trash bags. Yeah. So, you got a layering system for the backpack. You do. And all the contents. And all your clothes.

And, hey, when you go over in a river, you're glad you have all that. Because. Did you have dry socks in the very center? Everything. Everything was dry. Wow. I mean, you go up to your neck. I mean, it wasn't that deep. But when you fall out of a raft, your legs aren't already up. So, you go butt first in and you're up to your neck. You know? So, everything's wet. So, it started off kind of interesting. But, yeah. We had a heck of a trip. This is one. I think it started maybe four years ago. We were up at the Western Hunting Conservation Expo. That's based in Salt Lake. For all of you who don't know. Speaking of which. Yeah. Might as well do a plug for that. February 2nd to the 5th. Save the date. 2023. You're no longer going to be able to take Carly and double dip for Valentine's Day. I noticed that a little bit earlier this year. You already noticed that? Yeah. I thought it was.

You get husband of the year award for even thinking of it. If Carly ever bashes you, you tell her to call us. We've got your back. I didn't quite get into it. Look at what's Josh doing. What are you missing? Josh. What? What tag is it? That's a good one. Come on. Antler. 0-1-5. 0-1-5 archery. Somebody's got a giant up there. Okay. Well, what I think is funny is here we are. The rest of us are really engrossed in a podcast. Josh is over there screwing off, looking at the Nevada first cup first serve list. I'm working. This is how you're going to accidentally buy a cow elk. That's true. And then you're going to be in jail. Tag jail for seven days. You should just add it to cart. Tag jail. Seven days. Just reach over there and add it to his cart. What? Nobody wants it. Break your finger. Somebody's got a big buck, but nobody wants it. Well, anyway. So here we are. Save the date.

We're going to be up there at the expo, by the way. February 2nd to 5th. A couple weeks earlier. Yeah, and we're joking about Valentine's Day. You know what's kind of cool about this? What? We're going to just send out a magazine. Well, the other. It's going to be nice. But it's also about two, three days probably before Arizona deadline, and that's not going to be nice. That's not nice. But we don't have to worry about that, Wyatt. Yeah. I'll be worried about that. Well. We got people for that. Wyatt's already worried about it. I can tell you. If he's already thinking about Carly and Valentine's Day, he's already thinking about the deadline for this year. I just knew that I wouldn't have an excuse not to do Valentine's Day this year. Here's a quick question. When's the next day that those special pajamas go on sale, Wyatt? Is that on your calendar? Hey, those pajamas are legit.

I have no idea, but Jason got husband of the year for those. I did. Hey, so tell everybody about it. Wait. What special pajamas I'm totally lost? So I guess there's pajamas that make your woman feel really special. They're awesome, John. I mean. They are. They're considered like better than fleece, whatever that is. Okay. Tell us about it. Are they still? Don't elaborate. I won't elaborate. Because we don't want to have to edit this podcast. Yeah, no editing. I don't know a lot about them other than they're called Lates by Kate. Lates by Kate. They go on sale twice a year. And they're first come, first served. Online only? Oh, online only. It's like a tag grab. Like, you've got to be on there. Oh, we had multiple screens up. Yeah. And all I knew is I came to work that day, and I'm like, what the freak am I missing? And for $80, you are a freaking hero. Oh, my gosh.

Maybe we should post that video on the Instagram. Oh, yeah. You did take some videos. There's a free plug for Lates by Kate. I mean, if you remember, like, you had somebody on the phone, and pretty soon you just said, hey, I've got to go. I've got to go. Because 10 o'clock straight up, and they sell out. Yeah. It's kind of like concert tickets or something. Yeah. Concert tickets, tag grabs, anything like that. Why? They come and go fast. So anybody out there that wants to be husband of the year or get that award or even try to get that award, try Lates by Kate. Get them pajamas. The most amazing pajamas ever. Right? I've been told. So I ordered Jana a couple of pair, and I'm still a hero. Was it Mother's Day? I don't remember. Mother's Day? Just ask. They sell Mother's Day and Christmas, I believe. Or just buy them any other pajama you can find. And say there's special. Yeah.

That's right. No, these ones are special. When you have to get in line. So anyway, Wyatt's been thinking about that, obviously. So what else? What about February 2nd to the 5th, Wyatt, that's really got you wound up? Yeah. Anything else? Just the Huntsville. Just noticing that it's not going to be over Valentine's. Over Valentine's. I think there's a lot of ladies that are going to be grateful it's not over Valentine's anymore. I mean a lot. I mean, I've used that line on my wife a couple times, and it worked once or twice. But back when there used to be some concerts and stuff that were bigger than maybe who they're bringing now, there were some, remember we went to the Delta Center and went to Alan Jackson. It was like, that's pretty good. That's kind of cool. That's a Valentine's. Well, one of the other things on the Hunt Expo that's just most important is get your hotel.

I saw that early. I mean, it's six months early, but it's not too soon. Adam and I both sent you and Janet reminders that we need to get our company. Yeah. Yeah. Motel rooms. Speaking from experience, one year we waited and we were scrambling. So anyway. So, Bronson, back to the Hunt Expo. Yeah. So, since it's in Utah, you know, a lot of our families, wife, not wives. You were going to say that. Because we're in Utah. We have multiple people in this room that are married. We are from Utah, but we have multiple people. So I use the term our wives. But we each have one. We are from Utah. We each have one. Come on. We're singular. Yes. And children would come up. Can any of you guys handle more than one? Oh, my God. One time, you know, Jarrett Dooling, he's been an epic-approved outfitter of ours since inception. We've known him for a long, long time. Jason and I have hunted moose there.

Jason's actually hunted doll sheep, fannin' sheep there with him once. And I think that's it. He's awesome. But anyway, great guy. We've seen a lot of clients. He lives down in the U.S. part of the year. And then, obviously, he's from Whitehorse. Well, one year, Ty was with me and was over there. My boy, Ty, was visiting with Jarrett. And he just looked at him and said, hey, when are you going to have your dad bring you up and hunt doll sheep? And what does a 13-year-old kid do? When can we go, Dad? He looks at me and like, I don't know, Dad. When are we going? And that's how this kind of was hatched. But he was 13. And I'm like, okay, I'm not dragging. I'm not going to drag a kid through the sheep mountains. You know, you've got to put some meat on your bones. Let's wait a few years. So we cooked. But I'm also getting older.

Not that I'm – I'm not saying I'm in the twilight of my hunting years. But, hey, the fun stuff. You're saying you peaked? Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. I peaked. Yeah, I peaked. I'm not too proud of it. He used to be like in three days, he'd be like, all right, my legs are hard. My legs are hard. Yeah. When you're in your 30s. Three days. And Garth used to go, what do you mean? I quit drinking pop for a week. And I'm like, all right, I'm in sheep shape. I'm in shape. That doesn't happen anymore. So, you know, I just see – you know, collectively it would be really fun to take Ty. I only have one son. So I guess I'm maybe in a little bit of a unique position. Some of you, Jason, others that have three, four, five, six boys. And, like, you take one, what do you got to do? You've got to somehow take them all. And I got Ashley too. Yeah. She's no joke. That's what I mean. You got – they're all.

So, you know, I said, all right, I want to be big enough, old enough, but I also want to also take them when I enjoy it because, let's face it, when they get out of college or if they go and serve a mission for our church or go to college and then get married, there's about a five- to seven-, eight-year period there that's harder maybe than as a, you know, senior in high school. You know, so anyway, UConn starts August 1st. That was also different than Alaska. Alaska doesn't start until the 10th, and they're going to miss some school. So, anyway, we work to do. If you grow up there, you've got a lot of – like you could do – Yeah. You know, right now you could do archery in Nevada. I'm home. I was home on the seventh or eighth. Kind of cool. So, anyway. Yep. So, and then COVID hit. The first year was a wash. Last year it opened, but like about August 1st, and it was like, all right,

9th of August you can get in. But Jarrett wasn't able to get guides. We weren't able to react that quick, so we put it off a year. So, here it is. So, now he's, you know, he's – I'm actually liking it because he's in a position. He's taller than me. He's obviously way younger, and if he needs to pack some of my stuff, he can. He's fully capable now. So, it was actually – The problem with Ty, though, is he wouldn't let you live it down. Long – oh, yeah. I can't imagine you put much in his pack. No, no. But he's carrying everything in his. He had a lot of stuff. Yeah. But overall, yeah, I didn't – I didn't have to worry about it. I wasn't going to worry about it because I can kind of treat him – Like a man. Like a man, so to speak. Say, hey, you sign up for this. This is part of it. Yeah. You know, 13, 14, 15, you're going to feel bad for him. I don't feel bad for him anyway.

But long story short, the time had come. And, yeah, we flew up to Whitehorse. I think it was the 28th or 9th, whatever it was. And we got flown out and dropped off on a lake like most people do and headed down the river. And we're hunting a range. Of course, not a lot of these Outfitters areas up in Canada have been hunted full steam for the last couple years because of COVID. The first year they had maybe some Canadians and last year some Canadians and maybe a mixture of Americans later in the year. So you're kind of – A, that's maybe a good thing. You have rams that are maybe getting old somewhere. But also you don't have – it's been three years, right? Like, all right, what's going on? They've had a couple giant winters across – like record setting. So that's in the back of your mind. Like giant snow winters, hunting sheep, that doesn't feel like you want to follow that.

They're hardy, but geez. Yeah. I don't even know how a moose survives up there, let alone a sheep. So, yeah, we got there and we set out. That first night we set up camp and then basically had a huge pull, a couple thousand vertical feet, you know, all day hiking that next day and just overgrown brush stuff. It's not like we're on a great trail or anything like that. But it was a grind. There's no – I mean, even for me, it wasn't – it was one of those days it wasn't fun. It was raining most of the day. So you're forced to wear rain gear because it's raining, plus all the brush you're going through, every time you touch it, it just rains on you. So you have to wear it. But you're sweating on the inside. You're drenched on the outside. And the mosquitoes were epic. They were – I've never seen something like it. And we're – I mean, we brought some deep, but we didn't bring near enough.

And I didn't bring a head net. You know, just lots of things. You're like, hey, head nets don't weigh anything. That's a tip of the week. They don't weigh anything. You mean you didn't cut the end off your toothbrush? Bring two head nets. You're still only weighing out. D ate away my watch. I'll never forget it. Remember, Iron Man watch ate the screen. D, 99% D or whatever. I think it's cancerous, no question. Well, yeah. That stuff's hard on people. It's no joke. It keeps mosquitoes away. But you've got to kill mosquitoes somehow, so whatever. Yeah, that's right. So that first day was pretty much – we had two guides, Carla and Cam, and then – And she's no joke from what you all said. No, she's an animal. Carla's an animal. So do you want to talk about Carla a little bit, a little bit of her background? Well, yeah. She's guided for Jarrett for a long, long time, Bert.

But about – I don't know. I'm kind of guessing here five or six years ago, she got invited, however that came to be, to – she was on Gold Rush, the TV show Gold Rush, for a bunch of years. Carla was on that. And she would drive semi-dump trucks. I mean, she's a – She's aggressive. If you know Carla from Gold Rush, she's a tough Canadian gal. She's not real big. She's probably five, two to four. I don't know. Maybe. Five, three to five. I don't know. Two's probably too short. But she's not big. But, man, she can carry a pack, and she'll crack the whip on you. I mean, if you're sitting down there resting for 60 seconds, it's like, all right, get your stuff on. We're going. We've got to get going. I mean, there's no – Wow. I mean, she just has it in her mind. We've got to get there, you know, sooner than later. Nobody's picking a fight. Everybody wants to – Nobody's picking a fight with her.

Yeah, and you want to get there sooner than later, of course. But, man, when you're heavy and you're wet and all that, you're tending a blister or mosquitoes or whatever like that. But, anyway, that first day, Cam, one of Jarrett's distant cousins, he was another one of our guides. And then Epic Outdoors member Steve, he's just been up with Jarrett a number of years. And he was there just basically to pack and be along for a ride. So we had three of us plus Ty and I. And, you know, the goal was simply to get – tie a doll sheep. That was the goal of this trip. But, of course, we had two guides. You have to have a guide for each potential hunter. And you were lined up to potentially kill one of them. It worked out. Yeah, tags, I forget what it is. Right. So if you're $250 to $300, you buy every species tag in Utah. And you're already there. Why not work a deal if the opportunity arises?

And that's all it was. Like, you know, I had to pay all my charter fees. I had to pay all that stuff to be there because I'm not going to miss it. But I might as well have it in case, hey, situation right. We really were – after we started going in where we were going, I saw the mountain range where we were going. I said, I don't care how big a caribou is or a moose is. It could be a new world record. I would walk away from any of them. I'm not. I'm not because I know what I'd be signing up for and you all would hate me for the rest of my life to pack something out of where we're going. A sheep or a wolf is the only thing that we'll shoot. You're nice because a lot of clients would say, I'm shooting it. You all figure out how to get it out. I mean, no. I mean, it's just one of those things. Common courtesy. Yeah. It's kind of like Josh with his dad in New Mexico last year.

There are certain things you don't want to do. So this first day is when you dump the raft? Yeah. Well, we camped that night on the river. We went down, you know, a few hours, stopped. And so then it's just the first full day that we woke up, the next full day, which is actually the day before the opener. We're hiking way into this mountain range that's, you know, they hadn't killed a lot of sheep over. Maybe three rams in about 15 years. So it's not, you know, Jarrett has mostly stone sheep in his area. But he's got some ranges that he's got light colored, maybe really, really light fan. Like mine. Just real light. Or doll sheep, you know. They're just, you know, the areas are so vast. And you've got pockets of mountains all over. Genetics. However, different genetics and stuff that just are what they are. And some of them are 30 to 50 miles from another mountain range.

You know, they're long ways. But, you know, we were targeting doll sheep. And that day was a grind. It was a grown man's day. That's the best way I could put it. Because whether I had my son there with me or not, it was all I wanted. It was just one of those days. You said something like it was, I should read it word for word, but basically it was the worst sheep pack, whatever pack in that you've ever experienced. And I took that as even an Escalante. Yeah, I was thinking mainly as my thin horns. Okay. The worst ever? The north up there. Like the most aggressive. The Escalante, you have heat and stuff there that just can compound things. And there's dimensions there with rivers and distance and all that. Those are some of the individual grinders. But thin horned, it was the biggest? Biggest pull day that I've actually done in a day. And physical. It was uphill the whole way pretty much.

And just the mosquitoes. I mean, I know I'm talking about a tiny bug. But when you have thousands around you, I mean, it just takes it out of you all the time. And then it's raining. And then you're sweating on the inside out. So it's just a normal grind. And you've got to be prepared for that. You know, Ty had a blister forming on one of his heels. And so we stopped. We had stuff for that. I mean, a blister can ruin a hunt. I mean, it can ruin the rest of your hunt. And we had to take care of that. And it was good the rest of the way. It was great to have great gear. I mean, we're big QU fans. And, you know, obviously they're a great supporter of ours here at Epic Outdoors. They have been from the start. So the layering system was on and off all hunt long. You're taking stuff off, putting it on. And that's what I like about QU system. Well, and it sheds the water like crazy. Yeah.

You guys had the tent. Yeah. It was great. It worked awesome. It was great. It was great. And even those Tecu bags, I keep going back to those. I put my backpack inside one of those because I have flown to Alaska in places with just my backpack and all the buckles done up. And that's a piece of luggage. But you run the risk of those buckles getting smashed and broken. Conveyor belts. One time I came home and in Salt Lake, my lumbar, you know, that big lumbar pad that's right there. It was dangling by a thread. And I'm thinking, what if you were just going on a hunt there and that's off? And you can't, that's not a needle and thread repair job. So you put them in one of those Tecu bags and it's just, and they actually have backpack straps so you can wear them through the airport. It's just a kind of a rubberized, if you will, zips it up. Your pack's in there and all the buckles can't.

But when you're in a boat or in a plane or all that, it just adds a big dimension to the safety. And like I said, it was nice to have it, you know, in those, in the raft. But anyway, we set up camp that night and, you know, tried to dry out. We're on the fringe of what I would call the sheep range. But, you know, that's as far, because from there on you could day hunt for a couple of days. And then if you needed to grab your stuff and go for a bigger bite, you could do that. Well, long story short, we had 10 days of food. We were going to hunt these first few canyons pretty, I guess, softly. We're not just going to crush through stuff. Because, you know, historically, when I say that, like three years ago and then four or five years prior to that, they'd kill the ram here. So, I mean, two rams in seven, eight years, it's like at least we were kind of starting there.

But so the next day comes. And, yeah, we worked our way up this canyon. Probably went three or four miles up there to where I had kind of some confluence as mothers. I hadn't seen a thing. And kind of that time, all right, we've kind of seen what's right here in front of us. We're going to have to get a different angle or go around the corners. A bunch of canyons that start taking off. It was like decision time. And as we're climbing up this hill, probably I had to go about 400 or 500 yards. We're going to look into another canyon, big canyon. As we're doing that, I stopped to rest. And I just turned back and looked. And I had the 12 piers on my chest. And, I mean, for a mile and a half, two miles, there's two white dots. And I'm like, I got sheep. And I sat down, and I could see horns from that far. And I'm just telling you. The 12s were next level and they're light.

Oh, and then the other guys had 10s. And they're like, I don't know how you can see that. I'm like, I'm telling you, they're ramps. I can see horn. And they all had 10s. And so we got the spotting scope on them, and they were both mature ramps. And initially, you know, in the back of my mind on this hunt, I'm like, how would it be really cool to, if I could shoot one and I could shoot one, it would be just an incredible hunt. You know, it didn't even really go to the level of, well, maybe two together. You took one gun? Yeah, just took one gun. The little 6.5. Yeah, just not going to, I mean, that's another seven pounds or whatever. Did Ty pack it or you pack it? I packed it. Oh. Yeah. All right. Well, he should say thank you. Yeah. I had that, so he had his stuff. And he did have the tent, but the gun's heavier than a tent. Yeah. So. That's right. Long story short, we got it in a scope,

and they were just feeding on the top of a little knoll going to the back of a big canyon amphitheater that had just giant rugged walls. Now, not really, could you say it's a box canyon for a sheep? They could get out of it if they wanted, but they're not going to go out of it unless they're like bumped. Really bumped. It's like the sheep stuff's down lower and up above. So you're safe. As long as we don't bump them, they're going to be here. They're probably in there. But the problem is there's no vantage point to get and look at them from a distance. They went over ridge and down into the back. Like, you have to pretty much follow them. So we stripped off the rain gear. It kind of broke. And so we burned up there in probably two hours. We were within 300 or 400 yards where they went over the ridge.

And all we could tell from that first distance was, you know, we saw one ram was really long on both sides. He bedded down. We stood up. He turned to look down canyon. We got a perfect view of him. We could see he was tipped out on both sides. The other ram, we could see was mature. He was a little bit wider set, but he fed away pretty much the whole way. We never got a good look. Thought he probably was a legal ram or ram you might shoot, but the other one was definitively. So as we start, you know, we're doing the cat and mouse thing now. You're kind of walking forward. It's getting four or five in the afternoon. You're just basically following where they went. Nothing quite looks like it does. There's a lot more up and down roly-poly, which actually is good. Instead of just one ridge and now you're exposed, you just, you peak and there's 70, 75 yards to 100. You work it.

There's another 50, 75. And then we got to the spot. I could see two sheep beds. We never saw them bed right there, but obviously that told me these guys have been right here for a little bit because they're fresh. They've been here for a couple days. And the mosquitoes weren't. There was no mosquitoes up there. Early in the day, there was a coming up to Canada. And I'm like, you see these caribou clear at the tops of these peaks in snow drifts laying down, which they do a lot. But they were way high. And I said, I'll bet these sheep are high out of these bugs because nothing like sitting around in this many bugs. So, anyway, you get up there. It's just cooler. You're closer to, you know, snow banks that haven't got away. It's just, you know, all that. So, anyway, one little rise. We're coming over. And Carla hit the deck. And she says, I got them. They're right here.

I'm like, well, like right where she's like, like 100 yards bedded staring right at us. And I'm like, did they see a sheep? He goes, I don't think so. And it's always like, okay. So, you peek over. No, he's just sitting there. It's the long tip ground. He's like 100 yards. And I'm telling you, you look at a dull sheep, it's pouring rain. So, that's what, instead of sitting, wait them out for the evening to come out, when it was pouring rain, I said, these things are laying down somewhere. They are not up. It's just pouring. And when you see, I don't know, 100 yards or 12 power bino is a sheep just staring at you. It's 45 inches long. I told Ty, he gets up there because he couldn't stand it. I says, we just don't let him see it. He's like, holy crap. And he says, I said, I'd shoot that sheep on any sheep hunt I go on. He's just beautiful. Just tipped him beautiful.

He says, well, that's the one we saw down there. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the one. But I says, I'd like to see the other one or how many is there in here? We've only seen those two. We saw them for 15 minutes. I don't want you to shoot it and just an eruption of sheep to come out of here. And I'm trying to sort something out. Well, or. Yeah. But anyway. You're trying to sort it out. So we sat there for about 5, 10 minutes and nothing happened. Carla said, hey, I'm going to sneak back and get Steve and Cam. We'd left them probably just over the last hill just so there weren't five of us trying to do a stop. Pack of wolves peaking. Yeah. She came back and brought them. And as she was bringing back, I felt the wind just a little bit on my back. And you're not wanting to shoot without Carla's blessing. No. I don't want to do that. Because she's going to erupt on you. Yeah.

She's the boss. You have to be that way. But you've got wind hitting the back of your neck. That's stressful. Yep. That. And so I come over there and I said, get back. You know, I looked over. Ty's ramp stood up and he's shaking off. So I knew he's not alert. When they stand up and shake off, they're just, that's normal behavior. She gets up there next to me and I says, he's up. And I says, he's locked onto something I felt the wind. So now he shook off and now he's just looking our way. And right then I saw this other ram walk behind this first ram and he's just walking. He's not walking. He's like, I'm getting out of here walking. And he's going straight up, up the talus rock pile, which is kind of what you're doing. If you want to, Hey, I'm going to get higher ground. Something's not right down here. And as he did that, I didn't even look in the scope.

I could just see with my naked eye that, that one right long. So I'm like, well, that's long, plenty long. Whatever's on the other side. On the second. So they're both shooters. Yeah. So I'm like, well, I'll shoot that one. They're both legal. But, but this one's staring at me and that's the one we've really analyzed. And I said, all right, Ty, get ready. So the guns, guns laying between Ty and I. And I said, as soon as, as soon as we see him come out of this crease, I'm going to throw the gun up there. So pretty soon they started up and they're, they kind of would run and stop and run and stop, you know, 10, 20 yards. Anyway, long story short, I just grabbed the gun, threw it up there and said, kill your ram. Now he's one on the left. The other ram had walked behind his. It was up ahead of him. And he one shot shoots and it just stoved up. And now, now I'm at that moment. Okay.

Do I grab the gun? Yeah. I'm like, should I have him shoot it again, Carnage? She's like, ah. And right, right about then he started doing the back pedal. Then he goes down. I just said, give me the gun. And right then I'm like, this crap is going to happen. This is really, there's only two sheep. This is, this is it. This one's going to die. So I grabbed it, slapped the gun down. Boom. One shot. Dropped mine. And, and then we. How far was the shot? Oh, like probably a hundred. His was a hundred, 125. Mine was about 150 yards. All the long range practice paid off. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, the only thing I had to do was focus my parallax. They were so close. It was out of focus. I, I went to shoot and I had a white blob with a kind of a fuzzy crosshair. And I'm like, ah, just about shot. They get, I'm going to do it. I'm like, nope. Dial focus. Okay. He walks 10 more yards.

So backpedaling a little. Are these, what else? Are these the only sheep you guys saw? That's it. But it was opening night. So I can't pretend like. But I mean. Yeah. No. The rest of the trip. I hadn't seen. We never saw another sheep. Oh. You killed the herd. But I apologized. How do you feel about that? You killed the only two sheep on the mountain. Oh, a couple days later when we called Jared or we tech in reached him. But I said, hey, at first thing I got to apologize. We killed both the sheep that are alive. We killed every sheep we saw. That's right. So anyway. But it was some hooping and hollering. Yeah. It was. Yeah. It was pretty neat. Both are legal. Both are great. One's 11. One's like eight or nine years old. Yours was dull. His was fanning. His was fanning. A little bit of fanning. His had a black tail. A little bit of speckled black throughout. Just very lightly.

Mine was pretty much. I mean, pure white. I didn't even have a black tail. Yeah. Mine ended up being older, a little bit heavier, but it was broomed about three and a half, four inches on one side, which, hey, I don't care about that. But he's an old, heavy, cool ram. And so we walked up to Ty's first, videoed him walking up to that. And then we got to do that to mine. And it was just weird because I've guided a lot of sheep hunters and I've never had two dead sheep at a scene before. I mean, never had two legal hunters at the same time on a hunt, you know. Yeah. So it was different. And then I told him, I said, hey, guys, and it's pouring again. And I'm like, I know it's going to be a pain because they died up in this big rock pile where everything's like basketball to, you know, even four-wheeler size rocks. It's just, you know, a rock pile.

And I said, but we got to get these together for pitchers because I said, this is, and they were only like 45 yards apart. So we got them down together and propped them up and took a bunch of pitchers and just soaked it in. And that was a long night because, I mean, you take care of one ramp and then you get to do it all over again. And we had enough team that we kind of go on at the same time, but had a heavy pack out that day and, you know, got back to our tents about one in the morning, got to bed about two, had a mountain house. And that next day just kind of soaked it in because it was like a whirlwind. We had done a death march in. The next morning we went in and had all this happen. And we're just simply, did this all really happen? And fleshed them, kept them out, fleshed them, took care of the meat. Ate a bunch probably. Ate a bunch. Yeah.

Roasted all the ribs, ate a backstrap or two, a whole backstrap or two amongst five of us. Just incredible. The next morning woke up, had some more. And then we did a big push and got all the way out back down to the river and in that day. And it was a lot, it was heavy, but it was a little easier, mostly downhill. There was some uphill, but it's mostly downhill going out, which still just as much jungle. Josh, did you ever get a question answered that you had for Adam? What? How much video did you take for YouTube? Quite a bit. Did you? Yeah. Nice. There you go. I've got plenty. The only thing I don't have because of that sequence I described, there was no getting a spotting scope up and get the kill scene at 100 yards. But I do have the kill scene for my ram. Cam and Steve were behind us about 15 yards, and we were up on a little bit of no.

When Ty shot his, they watched him pass the gun, so they assumed, okay, one ram died. And so he had his phone up, and my ram climbed high enough that the little knob in front of them, where we were on, he came up, you see my ram walk up. He's just holding his iPhone above it. That's awesome. Like this. He pans to me, pans that, kind of puts it down, and then puts it up there, boom. You watch it drop and just rock, and then he pans over to us, Ty, and Carla and I just big hug. And so it's pretty cool. Cool. That's awesome. But a lot of incidental stuff, yeah, I did. Good. Yeah. Well, I've got a lot of scouting stuff for stuff I've been doing. Like, I don't know, we're trying to do better, Josh. We don't want you yelling. Good work. Giving you something to work with. If you want to see the pictures of Adam's ram, check our Instagram page. Yeah, they're awesome. At epic underscore hunt.

Yeah. Couldn't be better. No, it's perfect. It just couldn't. I mean, if you've paid attention to sheep hunters over the years, on occasion you'll see in one of the magazines, you'll see people shoot doubles. It's usually in a group of six to ten rams, and there's a father-son or father-daughter or somebody, and it happens. But I don't know. I could go six, eight, ten times and never have that happen again. And to have it happen on two great rams was, I don't know, more than I could have asked for. I mean, I know Ty feels the same way. He's a little bit shell-shocked because, you know, you leave Utah, you go up there, and you get back in seven days, and everything that happens and getting out and floating out and hiking back to a lake, you know. It's a logistical nightmare. To get picked out. It's like an adventure. It is. It's like it isn't just a hunt. Around here we go hunt.

You could have had ten days of hiking. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, you know what I mean? On top of the grind to get in and out. Yeah. It could have gone for it. We could still be there. I mean, our hunt was going to go clear to the ninth or tenth, and then you had two days to hike out and get out. So it didn't, but very lucky and just a tremendous memory. It was awesome. So here's a question. We have a little more on our question and answer in there. This one's a pretty valid question. I guess I'll be the question reader guy. Oh, please. Because Josh, he's just worried about the Nevada tag. So we'll let you go ahead and do your thing, Josh. You guys are still not calling this the narrator? No. It's the question reader guy? When you were gone, we just kept up with it. Okay. Mostly because we're idiots. But, hey, whatever.

But this, I know you've had extensive knowledge and background using the inReach because we got your inReach messages, and you were able to talk to Becky, I'm sure, and tell everybody. Yeah. And it's a little unnerving to be that far back in. You're a fly to fly to fly to float, a hike, a whatever, right? So a guy, Sean Jink, says, you know, got a doll sheep hunt in the Yukon book for fall 2023, so next year. Looking for an inReach or similar device to be able to text and check in at home. Which make and model do you recommend? Well, I do use an inReach now. I think you, Jason, as well. We used to have Iridium satellite phones. I had those initially. We had a couple of those between me and my brother and dad. You can't buy enough minutes and not dip into your retirement account. Well, and what I ended up not liking about them is 90% of the time, I don't have business

to conduct when I'm out there and have to have a conversation. I just need to get a message. Everything's okay, whatever like that. And to call, especially if you're in a tent with somebody, you don't want to just – it's usually late at night. You can just set out your inReach, get service, and shoot a text out versus I got to get out, walk out to a ridge, get a good satellite view. All the while it's grizzling. And get a call. Exactly. So, for me, about five years ago, I mean, I think if anybody wants my satellite phone, give me a call. I'll make you a heck of a deal because I still got one. Jason, you probably do, too. I do, too. And I think Aaron's got one. Battery might be bad, but who knows. They make an inReach Mini, which is just a tiny, light little relay. It doesn't really have a good keypad. It doesn't have a good screen. They're a lot lighter. My guides had a couple of those.

I got the full-sized one. It's got a screen. You actually can watch the map and navigate with it a little bit. So, I got that one. For most of my hunts, I'm not that concerned about that weight versus the mini weight. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I run as well. It's called the Explorer Plus. Okay. It's a little bit bigger. They only have two, don't they? You can actually text without your phone, without the Bluetooth. It's kind of like your old GPS Garmin Rhinos. If your phone went dead, that is another reason. It's a little bit easier to send a message out that way. And it seems like the battery's probably a little bit better on the bigger one. I can't remember. You almost can't run it. I use mine the whole hunt, and I still think I'm 65% or 70%. Never ran one dead. I know they did just come out with a new one that's like a real handheld GPS touchscreen kind of deal.

Ours double is a GPS. Yeah. It's a GPS, but you got maps. It's not my favorite interface. It's a little bit bigger. It's a little bit bigger interface. But you use your phone, the Earthmate app within the Garmin inReach app, I guess. For all of you, you don't have to put a bunch of numbers in your inReach. You use your phone contacts. Yeah. The first couple of times you text somebody, you got to kind of tell them, this is my inReach. Save this number. So they don't think of some spam or something like that. But that's what I would go with. If you want to use the mini, Sean, it's just a literal relay from your phone to the satellite and back. It's just an antenna and that. If you want to have one that has maybe a GPS and a screen and a map, buy the Explorer. Or this new one. These are great for – there's a lot of stuff in Nevada. There's stuff everywhere that has no service.

They're great everywhere. And that's the other thing is down here in the lower 48, like if you're out of cell service, like I've been up some river corridors like in the Green River or something hunting sheep. Well, I got to have my phone on and whoever I want to call has got to have their sat phone on all the time. Well, inReach, you just hook it on if you're carabiner, you're packing, you just walk all the time. If you hear a little chime, somebody's like, oh, such and such has found a ram. You just leave it on all day long. In another portion of the unit. Yeah. Whatever. That you don't have radio contact or cell contact. We use that a lot, you know, just to be able to, hey, I'm going over here. I'm not going to have service all day long. But if I find something, I'll inReach you. You guys do the same thing. Okay. Anybody else? Josh, I know you use inReach. John? I've got that mini.

You like it? Yeah. You can use it without your phone and you can pre-program some text. So if you have like a standard 10, yeah. But I usually just connect it to my phone and actually text through my phone. But you can't text through the mini without the automated messages that are saved in it. No. Or can you text? Well, you can. You can. It's really cumbersome. It's got like, you know, forward and back buttons and you're going through the whole alphabet. So you can. It's possible. In a pinch, you can do it. And the battery is really good, though. Is it still? Yeah. Good. It is really good. Man, they're little. Yeah. They are tiny. In fact, I don't know if you know anything about my dad, but he's 6'4". The only thing he's afraid of is the dark. And so, you know. So he takes his inReach to the bathroom? No, no, no, no. So every time I'm gone hunting alone in the dark, he freaks out.

And I keep telling him, Dad, I have my inReach. If I get in trouble, there's an SOS button or, you know, or I can text. But anyway, it's just so funny. He's not afraid of anything. And I will say my wife likes it better because I can send her multiple messages throughout the day where if I have to think of calling her, it's just different. And a lot of times if you're out on a mountain ridge, I don't want to call and talk because your voice carries. Like if you're in the middle of a hunt. But if we're sitting there having lunch, I turn it on. I say, hey, have a lunch. All's good. You know, she likes getting. She'll get a couple, two or three sometimes a day from me versus once every three days if I'm calling or two days. Anyway. Makes us all feel better. I mean, that's the way it is. It's all about dad. My family, too. Husband of the year. Trying to get it. You're not going to beat Wyatt.

He's thinking about Valentine's Day already. Who else out there? Just tell me. Who else out there is thinking about Valentine's already? Wyatt? You guys kind of threw that on me. I don't necessarily know why I was thinking about it. But I just noticed the dates didn't overlap. Who notices that? Just want to know. We all couldn't be lucky like Devin and marry a girl that's born on Valentine's Day. That's right. Knock out two holidays. And they had an August 8th anniversary. What does that mean? That conflicts with scouting or hunting archery Nevada deer. Aren't you like the 6th? I'm the 6th. I'm the 6th. Something like that. What are you? The 6th. The 6th? I'm the 2nd. Jenna, I think, forgot our anniversary this year. Jenna, if you're listening. She didn't. No, she didn't. She actually hit me prior to me hitting her about it. But sometimes, once in a while, she forgot one time in 26 years.

And that set me free. It's okay. We have a great relationship. So it's kind of fun to teaser. All right. So moving on. Let's see. Question reader guy. You can take a break from that endow stuff. Go ahead. Question reader guy. All right. Josh, any other tags come up? I don't know. I don't know. You guys never know. This is very applicable. Read this one, John. Tim. Read it. Here we go. Tim Baker. It says, when, Tim Baker says, when should we start checking for Nevada sheep tags that have been returned? That have been returned. Isn't it like 15 business days prior is kind of when they quit looking at the alternates and they actually throw them up on the first come, first serve. But there are a couple September deserts. Oh, that's a good point. Well, in California. California is starting out September 1. And we're eligible to get the resident only tags, too.

So California bighorn, he could have in another week. Or say like a 173 early. You know what I mean? The Arc Dome early. I'd say just, yeah, go through the guidebook and see if Hunt starts. So any tag you're interested in and just kind of count 14 days back. Approximately two weeks. Or 14 business days. Did we find out, Wyatt? I said 15. Did we call on that, Wyatt? Was it 14 business or day days? 14 business days. So it actually could be up towards maybe 16, 18 total days, right? So most of them start November 20th. So I'd be looking, what do you think, Bruce? First of November. Yeah. There's always the slim chance, too, that it was nobody's first choice on the alternate list. Yeah. Yeah. So it has to be an alternate. Somebody that checked the box and it was their first choice. Because we saw a muzzleloader deer tag come up today.

And the start date to that hunt isn't until September 10th. Oh, you guys did? Must have been nobody as a first choice. What unit was it? I can't remember now. Not a great unit. Nobody put it as a first choice. Well, we had a 211, a 213 archery came up today. What else came up? 015. 035. 015. 035. Yeah. So anyway, there's a few. And they're not people's necessarily first choice. On top of that, they must check the alternate box. So anyway, you never know what's going to be out there. Definitely look at the regulations. But yeah, the biggest peak is going to be. Anybody that's not hunting rutting mule deer, which is not. We're gone in November. Most everybody should be hunting in November. But if you're not, have that app open or your phone open or something. And grab a sheep tag, don't you think? Yeah. There was sheep tags. There was, what do you think? 6 or 8 or 7 last year. But I mean.

Hey. We know guys. I have relatives. We had a story in one of our magazines. Wyatt knows a couple guys, too, that got them. And I think the end of October, early November, that's probably when it's going to happen for a desert. It's tough to get tags now, though. I am going to say. Yeah. They made some changes. And so it is hard. You've got cart prison now. If you put one in your cart and decide not to buy it. Wyatt, have you been in jail yet? I have not been in tag jail. Josh? You put one in your cart and don't buy it. They put you in prison for seven days. I think maybe if Wyatt leaves his desk and leaves it up, I might sneak through there. Just put him in jail. You could really ruin a guy's day. I mean, if there's one tag and there's two of you. That's true. About time sheep tags come up. It's just about, oh, it's helping you out. Yep. I'm going to come click all ears.

I just, what I think is funny, Bronson, is I'd like to really know what these guys would actually accept. Because sometimes I think they're just looking to look. Well, Wyatt. I took a tag off it last year. I did, too. But it was like the best tag in the state. What would you take? Wyatt's watching. I said, what do you really want? And he goes, I don't know, maybe rifle. Just interesting to see what comes. It is. It's so addicting to watch it. It's so addicting. I find myself watching it. What would I take? Nothing. Well, the only reason I'm kind of looking at it right now is I got home a week early. You sent me a screenshot, and I'm like, I thought you got it. These guys had to tell me this morning that you didn't get it. I thought, when is he going? I know. I figured. I said bingo or something. I didn't say I got it. I just said bingo. Yeah. Screenshot attack. What does that mean?

I wanted your mind to go there. Well, I did, and I was like, I'm like, wow, yes, go. Get out. Go, go, go. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, he's probably trying to make sure Becky's happy, came back from the sheep hunt. Maybe he'll go by Saturday. I don't know. Anyway, and then these guys are like, no, that was a joke. That was bingo. Just bingo. There's a tag. Yeah. Not mine. I wish you'd have got it. I would. See somebody pioneered that. There's a really good antelope tag. I'd probably buy it right now because I've got some time. It doesn't open until 22nd. I'm sitting around chomping, ready to go. Ready to smash and grab. All right. Well, here we go. Question reader guy. All right. Here's the next question. Not sure who you are. I apologize, but we do have your Instagram name at Modern Builders LLC. They said, how do you guys financially prepare for your hunts?

Like years in advance, what are some tips to help guys who don't necessarily make loads of money but love to hunt save up for some of these hunts? Man. This has evolved for me over the years, definitely, because we all, usually when you're younger, newly married, maybe young kids, man, it seems tough. Stuff seems out of reach a little bit. And that time I'd trap bobcats and pick up elk sheds. And now it feels like if I had to save up, if I had to buy stuff with elk sheds right now, I'd never buy anything because there's nothing. Hey, the price has gone up with inflation. They've gone up, but like the number of sheds you actually pick up per person is like. Do you know anybody that picks up a lot of sheds anymore? It feels like it's just ruined out there. Yeah. It's just like, it's tough. So the extracurricular funds, that's what I call it.

That's how I justified it, at least in the old days, old days. But it's harder now. You definitely, and the cost of hunts, it just keeps going up and up and up. So yeah. Got any tips? Well, I mean. Mow some lawns? Well. I'd say my help is don't accept the fact that you're not going to be able to afford everything. You're probably not going to be able to afford every state. So maybe prioritize some states or species or hunts, tags, something like that that you really want to do. And just do whatever you can to make that happen. Well, he's talking years in advance, too. So like years in advance. I would assume that he's talking maybe a little bit bigger ticket hunts. 2025 going doll sheep hunting. Some outfitters will work with you. Kind of play your 25% down, 25% at the one year mark. Get your 50 there and then 50 before the hunt. So there is those kind of possibilities as well.

Kind of a payment program, but it's common. It's not known as a payment program. It's common for outfitters to get a deposit. You don't have to come up with 10 EGs up front unless you're doing a cancellation hunt or something that's right now. But it's a tough situation. You know, you can only bite off what you and your family can chew financially and all that and prepare for without strapping things a little bit too hard. I mean, I remember my first doll sheep hunt was $5,000 and I had to walk into a bank because it was a cancellation. It was a true cancellation. And I had to walk into a bank to borrow $5,000. But you also probably had a plan to pay it off. It's not like, hey, I'm going to make a 30-year payment program. But it was an outfitter's lodge had burnt down and they needed money now. And if you paid all up front, they would do a half price. So the normal price was $10,000.

How about half price if you paid it all up front? That's dating. That's bad, though. So $10,000 was. Oh, yeah. Well, that was $2,000 and like. There you go. $7,000? Yeah. Yeah, that's 15 years-ish. Yeah. Right. But, and that wasn't a, I mean, but at the time you just get out of grad school. Maybe I just built a new house. Trying to stay married. $5,000 felt like $50,000 right then just because of situations. But, I mean, within the year I paid it off or whatever. But I just, they had to have the money wired to them within a week. It's like, you know, stuff had to happen. So there's situations where that hits you. But, I don't know. I guess, you know, I had to go without a little bit. Everybody has a different lot in life, too. I think, you know, like your marital relationship. How are things, you know, could you work an extra job? Could you work more hours?

We all have a good fortune at times. Maybe more of a tax refund one year. Who knows, right? Like there's things that happen. Yeah, Biden bugs. I don't know. You know, I mean, if you're Hunter Biden, you can just, you know, rob Peter to pay Paul. He's got so many businesses going on. You just pay whatever. It's going to come somewhere. And we lost the podcast. You could know. Well, I mean. Off the rails. Hey, I mean, you know, he could weigh some substances a little bit different. Maybe save a few bucks there. But, anyway, I'm just saying, generally speaking, there's something out there. I mean, we all, we're dealing with this. Wyatt, you know, Wyatt's got pre-marriage money saved and stored. Folgers cans. He's even forgetting where the Folgers cans are buried. I think he is. He had to go out and vacuum-packed and sealed. Bachelorhood for a long time right there.

Well, I'm both bachelorette and bachelor. So, anyway. It's kind of fun. We tease Wyatt and his wife. She's been very financially stable prior to marriage, too. And so, anyway, we like to tease Wyatt a little bit. And, yeah. You know, other jobs is probably what I've had to do the most. You know, I started guiding. I guided. But I guided the stuff I wanted to guide. So, I had an interest in it. Maybe sheep and big mule deer. But even when I had a job that maybe right now I'm a little bit with Jason Jones blessing. I'm a little bit more of my own boss, so to speak. But in the past when I had like a set vacation and all that, you can't just say, I'm taking three months off guiding to save money to go hunting. I mean, that's not practical. Part of the guiding money helps with the lawn and garden. Yeah. And then part of it might be able to be played in.

It's not as much your budget money because your budget money usually is pretty allocated. But, I don't know. Find something like that. And, like Josh said, you've got to prioritize. If you have a huge list, don't get overwhelmed to say, I can't do all those. You've just got to bite them off one at a time. And the ones that are most important to you. Or, if some of them, like a sheep hunt or something, I'd probably elevate them higher because you want to do that with the better body. And you can probably hunt a moose or other things like that. Or even a brown bear later in life if something like that's on your bucket list. Yeah, we get some cancellations here and there. Like Adam had a half price or come up. Even though it seems like a tiny amount of money back then, it wasn't. A dollar was a real dollar back then, it felt like. And so, anyway, there's things that come up.

And you might want to just be able to have an attitude of taking a risk and jumping on stuff when it does feel like this is a once-in-a-lifetime deal. Jenna loves it when I say, this is a once-in-a-lifetime hunt. Don't all women like that? They love that. But, anyway, and, John, I think, like, you built websites on the side. Like, you did work on the side. Everybody has a little bit of expertise. Wyatt, I know you've guided a lot through all of your other jobs you've had. Josh, you too, a little bit as well. I mean, I know you do that. I mean, that's maybe a natural for several of us in here because kind of what we like to do. And you take a week or two off here and make some money guiding and some pips to, you know, play with. And we joke about mowing lawns. But I got a neighbor who mows lawns on the side. He makes ding near pretty much when he makes his regular job. Yeah. In the summer.

Yeah. Nowadays, it's huge. Well, there's a will, there's a way. If you're just going to work your regular 40 and you have a regular day job, so to speak. It's hard to get out of that. And you're going to work your day, regular 40, and your wife doesn't want you working extra. Not going to lie, it's going to be hard. Hard to afford a sheep hunt, so to speak, or brown bear, some bigger ticket item. And let's say you're 20. It's hard to imagine you're going to make more money. But you are. You are. It is. You're in your 20s. We've all been to that point. So, well, I just wish I could. It's just out of reach. It's never going to happen. But it's not true. Be disciplined during that stretch so you don't dig yourself so big of a hole that when stuff is good, you just got to pay a bunch of stuff off. But anyway.

My dad used to say, you know, buy the most you can absolutely afford in a house, so to speak. You know, buy the most you can absolutely afford. It stretches you to the max. But your wage is going to increase over the course of your life. And so, you know, your house is going to appreciate also with inflation and everything else going on. And so, as that goes along, you know, it'll work itself out. But you cannot see it when you're 20, like you said. No, you can't see it. You can't see that. You can't even imagine. You're just like, all I know is I'm stressed. I'm stressed, you know. I'm poor and I'm stressed. But one of the things you should do when you're 20, because you can't make up time, is apply where you can get points and start doing that. Make it happen. Yeah. We wrote credit card checks. I wrote credit card checks. I've lived on those.

And, you know, Janet still thanks me for it to this day. It's whatever. Hey, hey, it is what it is. Right? It's an investment in my personal self. So, all right. Let's move on. Question reader guy. Are we good on this? Yeah. Are we good on this making money? Josh, how did you do it? How do you afford a few extra things here and there? Do you have any other advice? Yeah. Just doing everything you can on the side. Maybe saving where you can. Try and rein it in. I thought you were going to say sugar mom. You've done taxidermy, too. I'm having you. You missed a sugar mama. No. Yeah. Try and find you one of those, I suppose. That helps. All right. Keep going. Try and rein yourself in. Let's just, I mean, strictly hypothetical. All of a sudden, a bunch of guns roll into the office, you know. Josh is already on the hook to buy one. I love it. I love it when people spend money.

You have to, and everybody's so willing to spend yours for you. You kind of have to learn and maybe rein yourself in saying, I've got six of those. Maybe I don't need a seven. Josh is now a 6.5 PRC fan. Well, we're on that topic. I was just going to say, well, we're on that topic. We do have fierce rifles in stock, too. Yeah. And we're kind of talking about Wyatt. Wyatt got a great one. He kind of did a, I wouldn't call it a full custom order, but just the scheme. Obviously, the caliber, the scheme, the stock, the color. Bannett's a sharp-looking gun, and there was a couple others that came by that are very similar to it. That we have in stock that Bronson about stuck his name on this morning. Josh about stuck his name on pretty soon. I'm like, well, I need one. Give me a couple of shots. All because of Wyatt. And Adam's got a shotgun or two that rolled in, and I'm like, I need a shotgun.

What do I need a shotgun for? I got five of them. But, yes, you're right. I do. In fact, order me two. So, yeah, but we do. If you, we got, I don't know, a handful in stock, and more coming in. It's the hunts if you want something. It's not too late. And we've got scopes. You want to top them with something. Zeiss, B4, B6, something like that. That's another thing. Save money where you can. I had a guy call in today, actually, and was talking about a Sguaro scope for his .270. And I'm like, you know, don't know that you necessarily need to spend real big money. Here's another alternative. And, you know, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be the 700-yard gun you're looking to get. And so maybe you save a little bit where it makes sense and then spend when it makes sense. And, of course, we can help you with that. We love spending money. Frugally. Carefully. All right. Yeah.

Well, the next question kind of goes along with what we were just wrapping up. Oh, and Nicholas asked us if you could go back and give a piece of hunting advice or application advice to your 20-year-old self. What would it be? I mean, we talked about it a little bit. But some of these we can't do anything about, one of which was I would have started Wyoming Sheep Points a few years earlier. And kept them. Kept them going. Because it was a guaranteed tag if you had done it as a 20-year-old. But it goes back to what we were just talking about. As a 20-year-old or 24 or 3 or 2, whatever, I think I was 23 or 4 and I got married. I mean, you only can do what you can do. And in hindsight, it's, you know, difficult to have. But there's a couple of those that I wish I had back. But really, I guess maybe not as much as there's a couple of those individual regrets I wish I would have done.

But to any 20-year-olds out there listening right now, within reason, try to get points where you think as many as you can. You know, in the states that have, say, deer, elk, you know, antelope, you know, maybe add the sheep on the side. And those that maybe strap you a little bit. But hopefully you grow into that ability to be able to lose that discretionary income. But then you have 5 or 10 points built up when that's all of a sudden not as big of a deal to you. That's probably what I'd say. Stretch yourself as much as you can. We all understand. There's families. Your family is more important than points. It's your situation, finances, and all that. But stretch yourself a little bit. That's why I always tell you, younger generation, because if you wait until you're 30, 35, when you can afford it, they're just 15 years gone. And 15 years, a lot of points. Yeah. Anybody else?

I agree with that. I don't like questions like this. Well, it's hard. Or like you're 20. You're just barely done crapping yellow. You know what I mean? Like you're just getting going in life. You're just getting going. Like it's hard to say. You don't have two nickels to rub together. You don't really. You know? It's hard to tell you to just do it when you can't just put gas in your truck or groceries. It's hard. But try to. I like what Adam said. Try to stretch it. I like that. Like apply everywhere you can apply. I wouldn't say go out and go on a doll sheep hunt and let Uncle Sam figure out how to do it. Take care of the debt. Like I'm not promoting that. And I think it's smart to make good financial decisions for a family. Not just your selfish hunting self. And then 20. We've learned a lot about hunting since we were 20.

And so it's like I would like to take the wisdom I have now and put it into a 20-year-old body. Yeah. You know? The hunting wisdom would be a cool thought. Would be cool. Like if I knew then what I know now about all these Nevada units. Oh. Disgusting. Yeah. We'd rewrite the record book. And I think that about all the places we've hunted. And then. And I will tell you this. As time goes along. Hunting. And the quality of game is not getting better. No. It's consistently going down. How about the Arizona over the counter? Yeah. Archery deer. Yeah. When we could do that every year. How about a muzzleloader deer hunt you guys had? In Utah. For the first handful of years. It was just there's things that went away. And now that's a limited entry hunt in Utah. I do think. I'm watching kids that are 20 driving brand new Tacomas. Okay. To 40. Mid 40s. Upper $40,000 type trucks. And I just.

I do think you can buy grandpa trucks that are lightly used for a deal. If you watch KSL Craigslist. Just all these different places. And just really. Don't be so strapped in other ways. Somehow you're going to pay. You're going to pay interest on the money. Like just. I think be careful financially. So. You do what people aren't willing to do. Now. So you can do what people can't do in the future. I think that little theory. Holds strong for your. For being able to hunt. And do the things you want to do. 20 years from now. 25. 30 years from now. Whatever it is. If you're 20. So. I don't know. I think more financially. So I would tell myself more financial stuff. I don't know. What do you guys think? I think you're on the right track there. I'd say enjoy your physical abilities. Before when you hit 40. It's like. You hit a wall. And it's. It's a lot more difficult to do stuff.

And then you hit 45. And it's another wall. And then. Yeah. So. I've had guys that are losing their physical abilities. One. Actually. Yesterday. Today. And I don't want to name them out loud. But. Something happened in their life. And now they can see where. There's a potential. They won't be able to do some of the hunts they want to do. And so they're. Booking it now. Also to give them. You know. I would say. Enthusiasm for. Recovery. Yeah. Like I've got a hunt to look forward to. I'm going to recover from this. And. There's just. There's real things that happen in life. Let's call it cancer. Or heart attacks. But. But. It could be. Accidents. There's. Things. Josh. You're driving over here. You've seen. Crazy stuff on your little drive. Yeah. Wrecks. You know. Guys wrecking motorbikes. Or. Wheels coming off. Or whatever. Right. You never know when this stuff happens to you. Yeah.

You know. So I'm not saying go out and hunt everything your dreams ever. You ever dreamt about. But. But. Don't. Don't forget to enjoy a few things. That's for sure. Right. John. Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying. Long and short. Yeah. Long and short. And that. You know. Whatever. Yeah. I'm not going to add to anything. Right. But. Yes. I mean. We've had. We've talked about them before. There's. There's sobering things. We all have individuals in our lives that have had sobering things happen to them prematurely or out of nowhere. And. Hey. You're one. You're one. Bad misstep or diagnosis or something. A way of something. And. And I don't. I'm not telling us all to live afraid of that. But I mean. Just. Do. Do what you can do. Do what you can do. Do what you can do. Be cognizant that you're not. We're not going to be good forever. You're not invincible. That's right.

So I'd kill some of the deer that we've passed over the years. There's a few that I look back and I'd kill them. Dead. Deader than dead. Yeah. And ate them. And taxidermied them. But whatever. So. I'd kill more elk too. I'd look at some of the things that we didn't value. And somehow get more elk tags when the elk were awesome. Knowing that the elk weren't going to be awesome forever. They're going to cycle. But. You know. When you're young. It's kind of like your life. You're invincible. The elk are invincible. These big elk are going to be around forever. And that's just not true. We were talking about it just the other day. About a few years back. Not that long ago. The 15, 16. 14, 15, 16. Somewhere around there.

You know. I was younger. Not that much younger. But still. I always. I kind of thought. Well this is getting great. Like the hunting is just going to get better. Better. If it's this good now. It's going to be this much better later. And it didn't stick around. And I wish I would have went in 100% more. Or. Think instead of. There's always next season. Or during the archery season. Well I got my muzzle loader coming up next. Or whatever. Do what you can. Why it's there in your hand. Yeah. Like it. Okay. Question reader. Here we go. All right. Brett Miller asks. For desert bighorn sheep in Utah. Or any other western state. Is it best to cover country? Glassing for short periods of time. Or is it more like coos hunting deer. And sitting behind the good glass. In one spot. For long periods of time. Well. I guess I'll qualify that. I guess I start talking. I don't know why. Yeah. Jump in.

Just. You've done a lot of it. Especially here. Desert sheep in Utah. When I know I'm in an area that's got sheep. I. I sit. I mean. I'll sit there for half the day. Because they're moving. Yeah. All the time. And there's so many little cuts and creases that sheep can be in. That they just. Are right under you. Especially if I. During that first couple of hours of glassing. I'm picking up. You can't always see tracks. But I usually try to read tracks. Like in the clay. The dirt. The side hills. You'll see tracking. Even up in the Yukon. I was telling the guys. I'm like. They're here somewhere. There's tracks. Up in this. This hill. Remember the trails from years of use. And it rained so much. I can see. I can see. Four to six tracks on this. So. I knew there was sheep there. Similarly. When I'm in a canyon. And I'm seeing stuff in the clay. Or the talus. I'm not. I understand.

This is not universal river. But southern Utah. With the red dirt. In the deserts. Or even some of the clay that we have. You can see tracks real well. I know there's. There's sheep there. And I'll sit more like a coos deer. I'll generally. On a. On a southern Utah area. I'll sit for. Half the day. And then I'll move. And then I'll sit another spot. For the. The second half of the day. And that's. That's what I do. I don't. Now. There's other areas. That I guess. If you're on a forward with a ride. And it goes through the heart. Of great sheep country. You can stop. And glass. Stop and glass. The whole way through that. Don't. Not. I've done that. And just popped out. Of my side by side. Or truck. And just keep hitting a face. Every two miles. But. But most. Like if I'm. If I'm in a good area. I'll sit more like a do coos deer. Well.

Midday. Afternoon. Midday. They're up and about. They're not like deer and elk. And you're sweating your guts out. They're happy. Not like deer and elk. Where they go in the timber. And you don't see them for six hours. During the day. Or eight. If you got a late start. It's not the end of the world. You feel like on sheep hunting. You know. Whereas deer and elk. If you miss the first half hour. You feel like you've ruined the whole day. You're off. Wouldn't you say Wyatt. Right. You've missed the first half hour. No. In the mornings. It's most important. That's right. I'm teasing Wyatt a little bit. No. I mean.

The first half hour I've ever missed. I feel guilty. I know. Yeah. But sheep. And you feel guilty. When you're not on it. You kind of feel. But it doesn't really matter. Going like up here. Where we're just hunting. I mean. The Yukon. I mean. You could. You could. Shoot something. Yeah. At 1130 at night. Yeah. I mean. We got back to our tents at one in the morning. I never need to use headlamp. So my point is. You. You can go to bed for like four hours. You can't get up. You can't hunt for 20 hours a day. You'll wear out. So. But you're in overdrive. You're just constantly working on it. Yep. And sheep are a little bit different. As they are up and down more throughout the day. His second part of that question. Brett. Is. And know this go around. Yeah. What's your guys opinions. On the best. Do it all. Hunting caliber. For Western. Big game. 243. Come on. 22. 250. Hey. My relatives.

I skilled more deer.

22. 22. 250. It's hard to say. Go ahead. Do it all. Everybody's got their opinion. But somebody. A bunch of people were buying 6.5s this morning. So go ahead. Well. I love that caliber now. I love it for like sheep. Sheep are not generally. They're tough. Don't get me wrong. But they're. They're not like an elk or something like that. 6.5s plenty for them. They're going to die. But that. And antelope of course. And rifle deer. I've even been packing mine. I mean. I've killed several of my last deer with my 6.5. But I. You couldn't. It wouldn't be my first go to on an elk. I would probably go with a 7 or a 28. Just because the 300s. Which are awesome. Man. They're big for sheep and antelope and stuff like that. I don't care. I know. I know. I smash them. I know. Hey. Colton smashed his antelope with a 338 rum. Okay. First animal that gun killed. And it was awesome. It died. Yeah.

Died right away. Didn't even hit it. It just threw it to the ground. Hey. A hole in the lungs is a hole in the lungs. No meat was wasted. I. I. I personally like a 300 rum. I don't know why. I. And. You can tone them down. I've got some of them that'll shoot a 180 at 3100 feet a second. Some will shoot 3350. You know. Like that's. You know. Cruising. I've got one of those too. Yeah. And I like it. I just. They're not as fun to shoot. Right. When you don't need it. Like. Right. But. So I don't know. Right. What do you think Wyatt? I shoot the 7 Remington mag. Yeah. I have one of those. I like it. Not an ultra. No. Just kind of a chilled out. 7 Remington. A little bit chilled out. But it's awesome still. You guys. Didn't you smash your moose with it? Yep. That's what I shot my moose with. Devin has the exact same gun as mine. And. What do you have John? Oh.

For years I used that 300 ultra for everything. And I'm talking antelope. And yeah. They had like softball sized holes. And. I don't know. Just anymore. I'm a big fan of having multiple guns. So I've got a 6.5 I use now. Yeah. Do you? Josh. I know you've got a 6.5. But do you have. I had a 7mm short mag. Did you? That I used before primarily. And it's the same thing. What did you use on shanks? 6.5. Oh yeah. It kills coyotes too. It does. Hey. I shot that one. Well. Long shot. Before we get. 830 yards. Any memes made for us too. We better clarify that it's the 6.5 PRC. PRC. Yeah. I would. You know I have my kids. Creedmoors. And they're just. I don't feel like you can get a. Like a little bit of a heavier slug. And a little more powder. Just a little more. That's why I like that PRC. Yeah. And I got one of those too. For one of my daughters. Before the PRC was even hatched. Born and bred.

But. But I've got PRCs now. I feel like the Lone Ranger. I need a 6.5. I don't know why. Well. They're just. We have some. I call them the little kid guns. You've seen some of these things. All of them. But little kid. It stops me. I get stopped. When you say little kid. Yeah. I'm blowing by it. Going to the big man gun. But. You don't need it. I think that's why I went with. But the gun. The same. The gun. My guns are way the same as yours. And I'm thinking I've got a .30 cal. I don't shoot it. But five times a year. Whatever. It kills everything it points at. Well. Pretty close. Last year. That scab got ripped off. Last year. I had a. First time I ever missed anything. Ever. My life with a rifle. Ever. Ever. My whole life. So anyway. Might be. Might. In fact. I'll just take one of those. I'll take one. But I want. I don't know how much I can tease Wyatt. But the. So Wyatt.

Take this with a grain of salt. Are you going to bring up the antelope? No. Oh. Okay. Go ahead. So a good. I thought that's where you're going to. A good gauge of a great round would be. You know. One shot kills. What do you mean? One shot kills. How many. What are we talking about? Well. Like if he killed his moose with one shot. I killed my moose with one shot. What about Devin? Well. That was Devin. Devin's not here. We can tease him. If there's one in the horn. I mean. And you're the only one that witnessed it.

All right. Warning shot though. It needed it. What did you want to talk about on your antelope? I can't remember now. Let's talk about this. This next question. But I think part of it is if the bullet would have hit the animal, it would have died. Yes. So it's not. It's plenty of guns. It wasn't the seven that was the problem. It was me that was the problem. And I think more or less when you've got a giant standing in front of you, a guy has a tendency to get a fever. Were you a little excited last year? Yeah. Yeah. And hey, if you don't get that, stop putting. Because that still comes to me every time. I always get excited after and start shaking and coughing. I cough like crazy.

But anyway. I think it's important just to get a gun that you're comfortable with. You know. Get as big as you can, but you're comfortable with. It's not. You're not going to be nervous on a recoil or anything like that. You know. Get a good, comfortable gun. That's why I like that 6.5 PRC. I can shoot it, my wife, my kids, anybody can shoot it, and I can just hand it to them, and they're not going to be afraid of it. Well, a lot of times I find myself on elk. I hunt elk with a bow more than I hunt with a rifle. I mean, sometimes because of my season dates, New Mexico, sometimes you're doing the October stuff. Elk were made to kill with a bow. So I don't, when I say all around, 90% of what I hunt with a rifle is sheep, antelope, and deer. Yeah. So the 6.5 or a 7mm for me is enough. Makes sense. My .300 rum, I have, I've shot a moose with it, I've shot elk with it.

My boy shot his elk with a Thompson long range gun last year. Yeah. Awesome setup. So anyway. Anyway. I like it. I can't just, I guess the answer, you can't just have one gun, Brett. You need seven. Even if you think you have enough, you don't. So I like, there's something to be said. Even Ashley said, I've got her shooting a .300 rum. And because I, hey, 3,100 feet a second, it's tame. She doesn't even feel it. It's got a break. But I think part of it is like, I've got the dies. You don't, you know. And you reload for the same ammo for all four or five of you guys, right? Similar to what, like, you buy an ammo. Like, you could, one stop shop. Yeah. And now I go to my reloading room. I know I have 180 Acubons. I've got Rotombo. I've got crap loads of primers. I'm good. You just said that on a hot mic. Yeah. What? What? That you have lots of primers. Yeah. And Rotombo. I do.

It's heavily guarded. Y'all. All right. So, anyway, let's move along. Whatever. I tease Wyatt a little bit. I don't know. Wyatt, I just like teasing you a little bit. I don't know. Josh, too. It's all right. I'll take it. I've got some more stuff for Josh coming up. What?

Any Nevada texts showing up right now? No, nothing. Okay, keep going. These next two questions, I think we're going to answer them at the same time. This is Justin Cadone. I apologize. I probably butchered your name. And Dave Johnson. And essentially, Dave's asking us what kind of an arrow or broadheads arrow setup we feel like we'd like and use. And then as well, Justin's kind of asking arrow and broadhead combination. What are our thoughts on those? I like the fixed, personally. But, geez, I mean, not like I've killed just bucket, you know, truckloads of animals per se, but I have killed a few big deer with them. I just like the fixed. You know, I'm shooting the Grim Reaper 100 grain, you know, inch and 16th cut. Just they're kind of a low profile fixed. They shoot awesome. They perform awesome. I mean, that's currently, you know, kind of the broadhead setup I'm using.

How about you guys? I've always been a fixed. I mean, there's obviously way more options today than there was when we started hunting with, like, bear razor heads and stuff like that. But I always remember some of the demonstrations on the cut on impact broadheads of penetrating hide and stuff way easier than, you know, some of the chisel pointed, you know, mechanicals. The reason those are round is they fly like a field point, let's face it. But they also have come a long way in terms of how they perform and how repetitive and how dependable they are. So I use a Trophy Taker Shuttle T. It's a smaller profile, 100 grainer, but doesn't have any, you know, holds cut into the blades. So I think they're quieter, you know, than those that have big holes cut. There is something to be said with the way they fly. Yeah.

But I've been, it's been a, I've never, like, shot something even hitting a bone that I thought this broadhead, this, this, I was under broadheaded with what I shot. And I'm not saying you make a perfect shot with everything or some, unfortunately I've lost animals just probably like most bow hunters. But that was my error, not the broadhead. So that's what I've used. And, um, but it comes down to they, they fly great. I do have to have a slight adjustment when I put my broadheads on versus fill points. Some people don't like that at all. They want them to fly exactly to me, as long as it's a slight adjustment and then it's right on. I don't mind slightly changing my size, but that's just me. I mean, they group great. They just, they just shoot slightly different in my fill points, but they group great.

So, so it basically, you know, part of it is, do you think the mechanicals are just as deadly as the fixed, considering the new bows are fast and people are paying attention to the weight and setup. And, and yeah, they, yeah, I'm sure they are just as deadly. I just don't use them. So I could reference. Yeah, that's right. What about you guys? Actually, I'd shot fixed broadheads my whole life until last year. We got that new bow. And right then I switched over and shot mechanicals because I just couldn't get the, the right grouping I wanted out of the fixed broadheads. So I switched over, shot mechanicals. They ended up shooting awesome. Just right off the, right off the bat. I shot the G5 dead meat. Okay. And that's what I took my Nevada elk with. And I was way impressed with the penetration. That was a good name for a broadheading, by the way. Jeez. Dead meat. Yeah, dead meat.

They have the mega meat, too. The mega meat? The mega meat, which is. Which is an African broadhead. I don't know. It looked a little too serious, but I'm sure guys are putting holes in animals with those, too. See, that would be me. Three, three thirty-eight rub on animals. Well, so anyway, and that was no joke, Wyatt. You smashed that bull. I don't want, we don't have to say it out loud on a podcast. But you practiced at long range and ended up sinking that sucker right in the heart. Yeah. Super, super impressed with how it penetrated. Almost went entirely through the bull. It got stopped by the offside shoulder, but it did go through the offside shoulder before it stopped. Come on. So. That's good. It was pretty awesome. All right. Josh, what are you? I have, I shoot that. It's just a fixed blade, like you guys are saying. It's a slick trick.

It's a pretty small, small diameter, little foreblade. It's got a, a little mild chisel tip on it. Yeah. And so. I don't know. It's the same thing. Kind of like a muzzy. Kind of like a muzzy. Yeah. It's kind of like a muzzy, but a significantly smaller. Yeah. But it's, I've been impressed. No joke. Deer elk antelope with all three of it, you know. And I, I know, I was, I was really impressed when I shot my elk a couple of years ago. It was a quartering away shot. It went in, it hit a rib when it went in. So the first thing it did is it went through some hiding a rib, broke that rib and went all the way through him and actually went through this opposite shoulder and was poking. It almost poked out the skin, you know, it almost came out. And I, when I went up and got up to it, I just couldn't believe it. And it was quite a considerable shot. It was, you know, 60 something yards.

And, and I don't shoot on that bow. I wasn't shooting 80 pounds, nothing like that that you'd think you'd have to really drive one through. It was like 65 pounds and got plenty of penetration. Bull went like 50, 60 yards and he was done for. So, yeah, I don't know. I think a lot of guys get pretty crazy about all this stuff. They got FOC these days. There's a lot of arrow nerds out there, I guess. I like, I think part of it is there's a lot of guys that don't reload, you know, for rifles too. Like it's, you know what I mean? But they, they still shoot. Right. And so, you know, you know, things have come a long ways. We've also got good friends that are really good at tuning bows and making up a great arrow setup.

Anyway, so. I think, and the thing is too, you're, you're not going to be able to get a bow and an arrow and shoot the same thing all the time. It changes. There's some bows. It's like, it's just even rifles. There's rifles that like different kinds of bullets and stuff. And you've just got to find what that bow likes and what shoots best. And it's going to take a little time. Okay. We got anything else to add? No, that's about it. All right. Okay. Sounds good. Moving on. Brent Scott's asking, what is the best tripod for a Swaro 85 or 95 spotter when weight is primary priority? Like on a sheep hunt. Man, we've got some ones right here in the office, Bronson. They're actually, your brother got one. I grabbed one. My wife grabbed one today. I got one. Yeah. They're awesome. We made sure we got paid from her, you know. But anyway. She had us working this morning.

The optics department this morning was working. It was. At Jana's expense. It was amazing. Yeah. She did. She bought an SLC adapter maker. The stud, her NL-12s. I didn't know she was bringing them in. Yeah. Brings them in. Hey, I want to put a stud in these. Over my shoulder. Make sure I'm doing it right. Oh. She's no joke. She's no joke. Did you tell her, say, drop it off and, you know, come back in a couple hours. Come back in a week. We got to take a number. So, no, it's awesome. But anyway. Well, the one thing about that, too, when you talk about a Saguaro 85 or 95 spotter, there's pretty big difference in an 85 and a 95 in terms of weight and a sheet punt. But you can't go ultra lightweight on a tripod with a 95 in my experience. Right. They'll hold it in dead calm. You're fine. But if you get some wind and all that, which I've done a lot out on points and all that,

as we all have on sheet or type places where the wind's blowing, you're out on a cliff and all that, you're just going to have a lot of bounce. And if you're willing to accept that, okay. Because we do have small ones. You know, Revik makes a nice, tiny, little, great backpack and tripod. We took one of those with us on the sheet punt. It was awesome. We've got these Canadi's that are short. And that's the ones I was thinking about that Jana grabbed. I grabbed your brother. And they're short. But yet, they've got the double center column. And so, you can stand up and glass off them. With a pair of 12s or 15s, you could. Right. But it wouldn't hold like a 95. But if you're on a sheep hunt and you're doing a 65 or 85. No problem. Right. Yeah. That's probably what it's more. And so, it depends on what kind of sheep hunt.

If you're going on a backpack sheep hunt, you have to go with a small tripod. You do. If you're hunting the lower 48. We've still got the old Gitzos. Those tiny little Gitzos. They're awesome. I've had a JB weld some legs on. But, I mean, they're great. You know, they're. I don't know why they have to, like, discontinue models and bring on new models that suck. They just do. I don't know why. Anyway. But if you're in the lower 48, there are some backpack hunts. But if you, a lot of them are day, you're day hunting for sheep. So, you can pack an extra two pounds of a tripod to have a little bit more rigidity and sturdiness for a BTX or a 95. And so, we all have the midsize tripods for that, whether that be, you know, something like Revic or something else. The carbon fiber lake still. We sell them. But, you know, so, depends on what type of sheep hunt.

If you're talking about, hey, glass of a sheep in Arizona and you come back to your truck every night. All right. You don't need a backpacking tripod for that versus, hey, I'm going on a sheep hunt up north. And if you're going up north, double check with your guide because you don't need, you don't take two tripods. You don't take two spotting scopes as long as they're spotting scope and tripod or as good as, you know, great quality and all that. You take one. You just take turns around a spotting scope. It's kind of a luxury on a backpack hunt. So. Okay. Well, I like it. Speaking of 12s, did we get a box in? Oh, yeah. A new one. We got them up. We got them in stock. Still in stock. And it's taken a long time, but we've sold, I don't know, I want to say hundreds. Oh, yeah. Hundreds of pairs. And everybody on the list got them, and we now have them. And, you know, it's nice to have them.

But, of course, a lot of places have them now. But if you're wanting a great deal on them, give us a call because we got them in stock. We put a stud on them. You can use them for your hunts right now. By the way, even when they were out of stock, let's say, and on backorder and nobody could get them, we were still, we were the same price whether they're on the shelf or not. We treated people right, clear back. Two years ago. When they first came out. So, anyway. So, it's not like we're, you know, cutting the price or changing the price. Yeah. That's what it is. And I know we've talked about being financially responsible, but for a pair of 12s, you should be irresponsible. You should. What do you mean by that? I mean, everybody I talk to says. Invest in your hunting future. It'll change your life. It's one glass. I'm like. That sounded like Jason said that. Things are overrated.

There are some things that my life has changed. Those NLPures, they're not overrated. So, yeah. Absolutely. If you need to save up for something. I'm phone scoping. So, a little plug for phone scope. I've got the NLPure adapter. It's so easy. Ha-ka. Ha-ka. Like, it's so easy. They slip on, and the video is incredible. You do? Yeah. Oh, dude. I got video that's pretty cherry. But, you know, at 50 yards, you're going to see some things.

So, hey. All right. So, here we are. What are the chances, Josh? Maybe this is for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is for Josh. So, let me be the question reader guy. And you be the answer guy. I don't know why I have to answer this. What are the chances of getting a decent turn back tag in Colorado for deer? Let's say Gunnison's second or third season. I don't know why I have to answer this, because I tried all last year and struck out. Never got one. I even tried the last two weeks. I still haven't got one. I still have to this morning. She got one. She showed us how it's done, Wyatt. She smoked it. She did. It's disgusting, actually. It is. I mean, she's kind of like really. I was excited, but it really bothered me. Yeah, and she did it all the while she was on a Zoom call. You had to give her her password and CID last night.

Yeah, the first time she has seen her CID in her life was last night in an email from me. Saying, okay, you've got to get on with a big instructional email, pictures and everything. You sent her everything, like what it's going to look like. Oh, yeah. Screenshots. Yeah, everything. What she needs to do. And while you're sitting here with one thing to do, she's at work multitasking. I think maybe. Oh, yeah. She had a conference call going. We don't want to hang her out for dry. Conference call, mowing the lawn, feeding the chickens, and grabbing a turn back. And she had a loaf of bread. Yo, it is. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, pretty, I don't know. It's kind of exciting, though. She ended up snagging a tag off the list that my son already, he got a second season tag. In the same unit. Yeah, the same unit. He has. He got a youth alter, what do they call it? Secondary draw.

The youth secondary draw. These are tags that normally sell for $2,500, $3,500. Yeah, yeah. I mean. So I told her last night, I said, you know, if we're going to go clear down there, we might as well try and take a couple tags with us. And she was already going to be going. So you're going to do another family trip. But yeah. How'd the first family trip go? It was terrible. It was great. It was very similar. We had a lot of bonding experiences. And we did it. I took the meat wagon. I thought we were going to have elk quarters hanging from every corner of this box trailer. So did I. And I took the meat wagon with one little four-wheeler in it, and then it came back with no meat. It was so good. If you asked my two kids that had the tags what the highlight of the trip was, was, oh, getting back to the tent every night and eating bean with bacon soup.

But they loved it that they want to go again. There was memories. That was their highlight. We had some memories. You had some memories. I'm trying to make, you know, dad of the year award, husband of the year award. None of it happened. As far as getting a tag, especially in Colorado, it's a crap shoot, I guess you could call it. It's tough. There will be more. I mean, Colorado had a few right at the first. We've seen a lot of archery and muzzleloader tags, seemed like, this week. Every week's going to start changes. If we get closer to the end of September, early October, you'll start seeing more second and third season stuff. Well, the chances are slim. It's no joke. I'm getting one. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like, and it's random. You know, you're on there clicking away, hoping they load. You know what?

You know it's going to start around 11, but every time it doesn't seem to load right, 11, and you're just. Random. Yep. If you get it, you're lucky. A little bit like the Nevada system. I mean. Yeah. And Gunnison's popular. This guy's asking Gunnison. I mean. I mean, it's a popular. I mean, I will throw that out there. I don't want you to. I'm not a big fan anymore, myself, of trying to be a hero somewhere on a no-namer. I've done a lot of those in Colorado. You're wanting to go to a full namer? Well, not a namer. Just somewhere that I feel like has got the age of deer that I'm going to want to see. Now, it's different, though. I've got units in mind for my kids. And go to the best units. I've got units for my kids. You know, they're different than I would take. You know, in seasons. Like, second season, my kids will have to do that versus a third.

But part of that, too, is you as a dad have got to go, so you kind of want to be half excited. Yeah. You don't want to get them bottom of the barrel. Well, that's right. It is still expensive, gas expensive to get over there and time there versus whatever else you could be doing in life. So, but, yeah, maybe don't look at the very hottest, awesomest tag if, you know, just increase your odds a little bit. Just like drawing that same tag. You look after a Gunnison Basin third season, you're going to have a lot of people clicking on that tag on the track. And if there's one? And if there's one of them versus two or three or five or something like that. I mean, how about some of those antelope tags? There was like nine on one unit. I missed out. Last year there was a good elk unit that had like nine in it, too. You know, I don't know.

You may want to not just chase the single sole tag on there or just one particular unit. You may need to adjust a little bit. You're going to have to be persistent. You're probably going to have to be on there every Wednesday from now until third season. If you're hungry, yeah, you're going to have to maybe make a few concessions. Don't just stick to a Gunnison third season or second even. There's a lot of eyes looking at those same tags. I had fun watching you guys today, just going to say. Josh is over there quietly doing his thing. And I'm like, I didn't even know he's really looking. Wyatt's owning it. It was like it was pajama day, too. It was late by Kate, and he got messed. He did not get any late. He was late. And I got reminded three minutes before that it was there. I was looking for login. John's trying to talk to Adam. Adam's trying to log in, basically being nice to John.

I'm trying to tell him to shut up. Let's talk at 1130. John, let's have a business meeting some other day. So, anyway, kind of fun. But slim, chances are slim. But choose one you would accept and jump on. There will be a little bit less people interested in a non-Gunnison area. All right. Okay. This is, believe it or not, this is our last question. Good grief. How long has this been going on? We're here. We've been here an hour and a half. I've got a few questions. But this is our fourth podcast on this, trying to get through these. It's awesome, though. We appreciate all the questions. It's great. And we just go on for, like, hours in answers. Like, why do we do that? Yeah. We have to fully vet it out. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think there's nothing better than to finish it on a fellow question from a fellow gamey down in New Mexico.

A game warden? A gamey? Do we even accept these questions? Yeah, we do. I don't know if he's trying to get some information or what. He's actually a good guy. Yeah. Actually, a lot of the game wardens are good guys. Who's this? This guy we're reading from now? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What does he ask? I didn't know he was a fellow gamey. I think Josh has been. Okay. Josh has talked to him. Oh, I've talked to him. You say fellow gamey, though. He did say fellow, which leaves me and you out, Wyatt. Me. If I was done. I was never a law dog. You're on the wrong side of the office, though. Never a law dog. I could never, never even. Wyatt and I aren't so sure. Because people that say they weren't might have been. That's exactly what a warden would say. The trust is just, you know, waning a little. I didn't even have the phone numbers for a game warden in my phone. Wyatt, do you believe that?

You just don't believe that. The best part is now I was a game warden for five years of my life, many, many years ago. And people will still be like, I shouldn't tell you this. I shouldn't tell you this. What the hell am I going to do about it now? I didn't renew my four-wheeler registration. By the way, I didn't have four-wheeler registration this weekend. And I'm like, oh, crap. How did I not do this? I went over there. I went to the cell service. Renewed it. And then I wrote on the sticker, I have renewed this. I haven't got my sticker yet. I mean, dude. Because that works. That's how you live your life. That's clean living right there. I'm nervous waking up in the morning. Good. Because it's because. If you're worried about little things like that, it makes me more confident that the other big things are not. So, Wyatt, I got a question for you. Oh.

The gameys hate it when the public lie. But don't you think the gameys lie? Yeah. I do. Me too. Josh, why do you lie? Why did you lie? Adam, you said you didn't have law enforcement in your phone. That's a lie. On speed dog. Not in your favorite tin. Let's try it. My favorite tin. I had a Franklin planner that they handed out that had all those numbers. Franklin planner. You're dating us bad. Yeah. John, you worked for Franklin. John, I worked for them. John, did you design the Franklin Covey, Franklin day planner? Some of them we did. You did? Yeah. Holy cow. That's what you did for your extra hunting money. Yeah. Yeah, we did some of that. We did. Good. Yeah. More of the. Seems like my sister might have kept some of your extra hunting money. I mean. Jeez. We got to read this. All right. Let's go to the next question. Let's dive into this on the extra hunting money.

We're going back to that question. We have to go back. All right. Just so you know. We're talking about 20-year-olds trying to get hunting budget. I had $50 a month. As a hunting budget? As an everything budget. That's it. What? $50 a month. For Cokes and everything? Everything. It was allocated by who? Everything. You as a couple or her? Oh, my gosh. We're going down some roads. Memory lane. Just to say things are better.

Wow. Hey. A restart never hurts. All right. Let's go. Let's get this last question out of the way before somebody gets in trouble. Hey. We're having a good time here. All right. Sergeant Benjamin O'Toole asks.

You only can go on one hunt this fall. What hunt are you choosing and why? Boom. Wait. I was going to ask this, Josh, and send it to you. No? It's already off. All right. It's already off. Go around the room. Let's start with Josh. I'm taking an elk tag somewhere. Somewhere in the state. Well, be a little more specific. Like in Utah? Oh, yeah. Or probably because you live here. No travel? Yeah. Close to here. On a unit I may drive back and forth across every day. Right. In a unit that might be named after the town you live in. And where you killed a giant already. Yeah. Don't you think you've killed your fair share? No. If you kill one four hunter, you shouldn't be able to kill another one until everybody kills you. Right? You should be out of the pot. Yeah. It's like John saying, nobody under 35 ever gets a sheep tag. Right? Yeah. I love that John has a tweet. Send the hate mail in.

John's still writing letters to the editor about that. He's still doing it. Oh, what other John favorites do we have? All right. Okay. So elk tags for you. Like we said, yeah, Utah elk's going to be, 2022 is going to be the 2019 of deer in Utah. I'm calling it. Well, let me think. 2023. And 2016 in Nevada. 2022 is going to be the 2019 for deer. You think, okay, you're calling. This year for Utah is going to be an incredible elk here. 2022 for all is going to be on par with 2019 for deer. If guys can shoot straight. Well, they're growing. They're here. Yeah. And it's time, right? I mean, we're talking August, what, 25th? Yeah. 20th or so. 20th. Yeah. 21st. Wyatt, which way are we going? In circle. John, are you next? I mean, talking about Utah elk, I was up pulling some trail cameras from last year because, you know, I like to leave them forever.

But, oh, it made me sad that I don't have a tag this year for elk. Just, man. Just awesome. Well, you invested a lot. You had 18 years into that one last year. Yeah, 18 years. So, yeah, there's no getting another one this year. But, man. It was the excitement of pulling them and checking them. Speaking of which, I don't know why I think of this stuff. But, John? Oh, no. Where's this going? You just, I love when your camp trailer's set up and you are the electronic king. Okay?

Right? You are. And so, we were talking about Elon Musk's, you know, satellite system. Starlink. Yes. Starlink. Starlink. And I want to talk about that and flesh that out a little bit. What have you learned? So, Chris got one. Okay. And so, yeah, he signed it up. He says speed. Tell me what's going on. Speed is awesome. The Starlink. Elon Musk has a system where you can buy the equipment and then have a monthly fee for high-speed internet via satellite anywhere in the world. Okay. Yeah. And there's some made for mobile trailers. Yeah. They're hitting RVs and, you know, targeting that. They've got a little dish. The thing that's great is you can start and stop service. So, typically, with something like that, you've got to pay. $120 a month or $120 a month or $120 a month. Yeah. For a year or whatever it is. Yeah. And apparently, apparently works really good. I haven't tested it out.

So, you could do it for three months in the fall in your camp trailer. Yes. And get great service. And you get high-speed. And then if you're an iPhone user, Wyatt. When you say service, your phone. You can iMessage. Right. It's phone service. Yeah. Like, you can have Wi-Fi in your trailer or whatever. You can FaceTime without having phone service. Yes. And for someone like me, like, it's a no-brainer. I'm going to have to do it. Because I love to take my wife, but she hates to camp if she can't get, you know. Service. It's boring. You can watch. You're out on Instagram. Well, you're out in the hills. Talk to FaceTime friends. Watch movies. You're out in the hills all day. She's sitting in the camp trailer that's dead quiet and watching DVDs. So, I brought this up to Jana. Oh. I think I need to support the Musk movement. And she's not a fan. How do I participate in the Musk?

The Musk-y movement? The Musk-y movement. How do I participate in that and buy Starlink and not get her too mad? You guys got any suggestions? I got it. When's your birthday? Oh, you already had that. I just said, ask it for your birthday. Could she tell you no? Anniversary's over. Birthday's over. What's coming next? Christmas? Well, I mean, it'd be next year. I could participate, you know. But sometimes I want high-speed internet right now. I just can't believe it. I mean, I want to do it. I want to do it. Okay, then it's for the safety and well-being of you and your family. Maybe you need to put her in a camp trailer by herself somewhere and tell her, can't talk to kids. Sorry. Oh, no. I like it. Quarantainer. I wish we could. And you know how guys know every little tree you stand by that has service? Like, we know. In the hills? Yeah.

She never, I would be like, hey, there's service going to be coming around this corner. You know, you can check your phone if you want. Okay, we're coming up around another corner. Guys are just, we're just knowing, you know. We know where we get service. A whole lot of driving somebody's place. Half of it's thinking, how far can I walk to service to get somebody to call me? Remember this spot. If I break down. If I break down. All right. So, anyway, there's the musk. John, are you going to do it? Are you going to buy the musk? Yeah, I think so. I haven't. I mean, I don't have a reason to right now. This year, I don't have a specific hunt, but yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, totally worth it, even for family camping. There's a reason he's a freaking big. Do you have a, maybe there's more packages, but what's the basic equipment package? I don't know. I'll have five or six hundred bucks. Yeah.

I think it's five or six hundred. It's something like that. It's not like you would be. It's like a hundred and something per month. And then a monthly service. 30 days to 30 day chunks. Yeah. 30 day chunks. Monthly. Month to month to month. How awesome is that? Like, just disgusting. He deserves to be a billionaire. I'm not a fan of everything he does, but hey. All right. So, moving right along. What tag then, John? Another elk? Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, if it's that, you know, like a couple podcasts ago, we talked about dream and we could get any tag. And so, you know, I'm like, yeah, I get a sheep tag somewhere. Yeah, it was the same question. But this is a, this year, no. If we talk this year, realistic, I mean, yeah. Like a Colorado deer tag in a good unit would be the one, you know, that I'd focus on. You pull me a 30-inch or out of a no-namer.

You kind of mean, you mean kind of like the tag you already have. Yeah, but we weren't going to go there, Adam. Which tag? What? What do you mean? What happened? What do you mean? What tag? Does he have a tag? I forgot what does John have. You had it down. I like to, like to keep the lip sealed on that. Hey, I mean. 1830. All right. Next. Fourth season. Edit that. So, John, let's say you're going to, you don't have that. What are you going to have? Something similar? Oh, yeah. I would look for another possible landowner tag or I'd be hitting these turnback tags. It's real hard. That's right. Yeah. All right, Bronson. Well. It doesn't even have to be realistic. What would you choose? I've been ready. I'm sick of talking about it. Points in Arizona. Yeah. I want my Arizona rifle deer tag. That's what I want. If it's any consolation, we want you to get it too. Yeah.

I want to quit talking about it. I want to hunt. I want to have a, I want to go down there and take the musk package to the desert and all stand in touch with their family and friends and have a great week. Yeah. I want to do that. I agree. On a big buck. I would like to relive my Arizona deer hunt. I'd do it again. But back then, we felt like we had the governor tag. We were out there by ourselves. Nobody was there hunting the biggest deer in the world, right? So, anyway. That's what I'm after. And I've been trying to relive that experience for every year since. 14 different tags every single year and never have experienced the same thing. Well. And I'm just afraid that I'm going to die and never experience that again. You're going to die and not break 275? Wow. Well, just the whole experience. You know what I'm talking about. We were by ourselves. It was. You're right.

You and the animal. You and the animal. It feels like there's no more of that, you know? I don't know. Without cameras and some of that stuff going on in Arizona, it's going to be interesting to see if as much of the hit list gets killed off every year as it may be used to. It'll be interesting to see. We're already seeing it, right? Why? Look, we're already seeing there's a lot of game animals that aren't known about because of the cameras, the lack of cameras now. Right. It'll be interesting. Even the guides know it. Everybody knows it. Wyatt, what are you choosing? I'd like to have another Nevada elk tag. I think I'd like to do that one again. Other than that, I'd... You hunted like 38 minutes. Yeah. Into the first day. But you killed a great big bull. So it's not like... Made it to noon. Jeez. But you have the right friends in the right places. And you know the unit. Yeah.

You already know it. And it's pretty close to us. I don't think anybody... I don't think that bull... Didn't you just randomly... It was like two or three hours. We found that bull that morning. It's like three hours from our house here, roughly, too. It's like for a non-resident tag, it's like... There's something to be said. You can go across Utah to San Juan, and that's five hours. Six. Five and a half. Depends on if the bull is right there. Well, pretty fun. We appreciate everybody. I know this has taken... I don't know how many podcasts to get through that list, but a lot. But it's been good. It's been fun. Has a lot of discussion. I know we've rambled a lot, but it's been fun. What should we choose for Devin for one of his faves? What do you mean? Like for Devin. Like what would Devin choose? Probably like a U-tag in Nevada. What? You must be his best friend. Guys are brutal.

That's insider information. Jesus. Hey. Is that kind of part of a slam? Crossbow Mormon cricket tag.

Just hope Devin has a warm bed tonight. Yeah. I just hope it's dry. Tie the rain fly on. Hey, you know, quite frankly, who cares? He's going to be down... I'm jealous. He's going to be down in his skivvies at the spring. Guaranteed. After dark. Oh, yeah. The hot pot. The hot pot. Yeah, he'll be down there in his skivvies. Just sitting in there. Lots of those around Nevada and southern Oregon. Yeah, there is. That's what makes that state so great. All right. Well, anyway. All right, everybody. Well, are we doing anything else? We kind of followed up on a few things. Finished up our question and answer. Bronson, we got the great story. Anybody that wants a sheep hunt, give us a holler. We work with the best outfitters out there. 435-263-0777. Definitely help you get started. We got guys. We're planning hunts for 2023 through 2026, if you can believe.

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