EP 278: Best Buck Stories, Muleys Matter Updates and Hunting Plans for 2023

Anything to do with Western big game.

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire Epic Outdoors crew coming at you from southern Utah. It's awesome. We're kind of in a little bit of a lighter mood, right Wyatt? Why? Yeah, a few application deadlines have now passed. How awesome is that? Got a few more coming up. Yeah. Nevada coming when? Nevada, points only, still coming up. Missed the actual application deadline. We can do points only June 5th to the 12th. So anybody that missed that, why you can get back on board, hopefully they slow down with the emails on the reminder of the points only deadline. Texts. Texts, alerts, deadlines. If you missed the first deadline, you've got problems. Yeah. I mean, between us, them, everybody else, even more. Yeah, you've got some problems. So anyway. So anyway, pretty awesome. We're excited.

And as we get started here, we want to let everybody know how much we appreciate UA for their sponsorship of us here at Epic Outdoors. You can get UA codes on our website, 40% off everything on their website. You can download your codes. I think they're, what, good for $2,000, Wyatt? Up to $2,000. Up to $2,000. So it's a one-time use. That card goes to nothing. If you buy a simple little pair of socks or whatever, then that card's no longer valid. So anyway, make the most of it. Download a code if you'd like, a little coupon code, and off you go. So pretty awesome. Great company. Proud to be affiliated with them. Let's see. As we get started here, Cash, you were on a prior episode, but we didn't really have an official introduction. Audible grunts. This is the unveiling. Some audible grunts. I got a couple spicks in there, I guess.

So Wyatt, why don't we go ahead and let you just tell us where you're from, what you've done your whole life, a few little things, and then, of course, these guys that know you pretty well, they might chime in a little bit, too. All right. Well, do you want me to introduce myself since you threw my name out there, or should we go with Cash here? Oh, did I say Wyatt? You did, yeah. Oh, I didn't even realize it. I meant Cash. Yeah. We all know you. They do come from the same town. Yeah, maybe that's what it was. Maybe I've been talking to Wyatt about Nevada for a minute. Sorry, Wyatt. Cash, we want to hear from you. Wyatt, we don't want to hear from you yet. They're all Nephites. But if Cash says something that's not quite accurate, Wyatt, you jump in. Or if he forgets to tell us one of his good stories while you jump in. Either of you. See, I didn't know him back then. Really? No.

Knew the family, but didn't know him. I'm sure you know a story or two. I don't. I didn't call. I've kept good secrets from Wyatt. I didn't call any connections. Nobody keeps secrets from Wyatt. That's true. I know. It probably goes the other way around because Cash is younger than Wyatt. And Wyatt had moved in, wrecked the town, moved on. And Cash comes up to the ranks. And now he knows the stories. That's right. Which is why Wyatt's here. To make sure we can't talk about it. Wyatt was not going to stay in there and code in Arizona today. He's going to be here to defend his honor. That's right. Doesn't want to hear about it on a podcast. All right. All right, Cash, take it away. Tell us who you are, where you come from, and all that. Awesome. Well, I mean, you know it now. My name's Cash. The last name's Lynn. I come from Nephi. I grew up in Nephi.

I grew up farming, ranching there for my whole life. Still do it. Even now, I go up and help once in a while. Grew up playing any sports I could handle. Baseball, football, basketball, stuff like that. Mainly baseball. Spent a lot of time in Spanish Fort, where Devin's from. I know pretty well all the streets in that town. All the main ones, at least. He's asking me about Main Street. You Nephi guys like to come up there. I know. It's a good spot. I'll see the midnight lights. It's a good spot. The midnight street lights. Especially Wyatt. He was older than me, but he ran with a rough crew. There you go. You did go to the Shopko parking lot. Here we go. This is why you're here, Wyatt. Shopko was gone by the time this kid grew up. I know, but when we were there, Shopko. I already love this podcast. I love it. I love where we're at it. Continue. Continue. Anyway. Yeah. Grew up in Nephi.

Farmed, ranched, all that. Grew up playing baseball. Grew up hunting a little bit. Not, I mean, when I was a young kid, I remember going on a few trips, stuff like that. But until I was actually able to hunt myself, I didn't do very much of it, a little bit. But I remember when I was a kid, just always my brothers and dad would go, and I'd be like, I want to go. And they're like, no, you're too young. Hike up back into Nebo. It's too steep for you. It's like, all right, whatever. And so I stuck with baseball for a long, long time. Pretty well did that. Focused my life around that and farming. And so once I got into high school, got a little more into it, started calling coyotes. My older brother did a lot. Got pretty into that for a long time, still do. Then went on a mission into Oregon, came back from there. And then I got into hunting a lot more seriously. It kind of consumed me.

Like real serious. Yeah, it consumed me. It's consumed me ever since then. Since I was, you know, away from the farm, the farm took up a lot of time. So there wasn't really much time to hunt at all. And so once I was kind of out from that a little bit, I kind of had some room to stretch my legs, stuff like that. I moved here, cedar. And then it consumed me. And that's all I've done. Adam said he's seen you casing over there by the golf course pretty heavy when these bucks were wintering. And Bronson's like, I see cash all the time. I don't even know where cash lives. You might live over there. I do. I live. Oh, you do? I think you live in the bottom of the street. He's like, I don't know what he's doing. No, not the bottom of the street, no. He's casing these bucks out. No, those bucks are over there. I'd go over and look. And I'd actually heard about them.

You're the one that told me that one of my neighbors chimney was on fire one night. Yeah. I'm like, okay, I didn't know that. But he told me. Chimney fire. Yeah. Now we're giving away some secret haunts. Yeah. So much for that spot. So much for that spot. Cedar golf course, everyone. Any golf course. Devin's been. Oh, yeah. Duck hunting's good. Devin's been swearing us to secrecy. Without swearing us to secrecy. If anybody tells anybody about this.

I like it. I could throw a rock a few times and probably hit Adam's house. We're not far. Really? Logan's got his maps up here looking for the golf course. That's the problem with Logan. You keep your eyes on cash. He's putting pins out. Marking spots. It's critical winter rates from Canarraville to Paraguna. It's nothing new, guys. It's on the whole front. I know, but. I mean, come on. It's not. It's not a. Logan's got his sippy cup over here.

Well, okay. Capri Sun. Too sorry. Capri Sun.

How'd this get turned around on me? Go back to cash.

Anyway, so cash. So we were obviously advertising for having an opening here at Epic Outdoors. You applied and were vetted extensively. Perfect. Yeah. I came over. It was actually my boss that brought me over. It was actually funny. I was working under Casey. Yeah. And I was sitting in his office. I was like, hey, Epic Outdoors is hiring and I might apply. I might stick my foot out there. I was like, I've seen other places hiring. I was like, I've always wondered what it's like, you know, work for those guys or whatever. I was like, and out of all the companies to work for, that would be my pick. I was like, I'm going to apply. And he's like, all right. He's like, I can't hold you back from chasing the dream. It's a pretty good boss. And so, yeah. So we actually, we were coming over actually originally for business. We were coming over to get some vinyls for a giveaway there. Yeah.

And then, you know, I just introduced myself and then Wyatt and Jason just grilled me. Put his name in the hat for a job. Yeah. They grilled me for a minute and I was like, oh man, that was kind of like an interview in and of itself. Well, yeah. He came in for just a minute. Yeah. Yeah. And while he was standing there, we ground him out a little bit. Huh, Wyatt? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely put some tester questions out there. Yeah. Wyatt knew your family a little bit. Yeah. Not tons, but if, you know, he knew enough of your background and whatnot. So it was definitely. But then, obviously, Bronson, we, I don't know, we had, went over about 30 applicants. We had a lot of applicants and a lot of good ones. You know, we did.

We didn't, you know, we don't really take any hirings here lightly. We go, we don't like to do it often. We like to get it right. We like to get the right people and put a lot of time and thought into it, involve all the crew. And that's what we did. And this was a specific need. Or just as we grow and any business grows, especially in a customer service-based business like we are, you know, we've got to be able to meet the needs of our members. Whether that be, you know, people calling in about how to apply or needing outfitters or, you know, needing help with their license application portfolio and things like that. And so that specifically the kind of the job that we hired Cash to do was working under Wyatt. And in that part of the business business, as we've talked about here, we're jack of all trades.

We kind of do a lot, even though everybody has specific, you know, responsibilities. And this is their, their main, you know, division, if you want to call it. We do a lot across everything. I mean, especially if somebody's gone or something like that. So anyway, that's what we hired Cash to do. We're excited to have him on. He's been here, what, a couple months? Has it been that long already? Yeah, two months. A little over two, maybe. So probably overdue in terms of having a unveiling of Cash on a podcast. But, hey, we didn't want to scare him off too easy for two months. We think he's here to stay. We've kept him pretty busy, too, I'd say. Yeah. We hired him. It's like right in the furnace, right out of the gate. You know, there's a lot going on. As we've alluded, you know, we had a holiday that we created here on Uno de Mayo after, you know, some other things passed.

And then Nevada passes. There's even lightening up more. And so as state deadlines pass, you know, there's only so many states left to be applied. And for all of us here, that means a little bit of, I guess, reprieve from some of the schedule that we've been living. But, anyway, glad to have Cash on board. Anyway, what else? I mean, Cash, I mean, I know you've told us a little bit about, obviously, your family and hunting and all that. But what do you tell everybody, what do you like to hunt the most? If you had to hunt one animal and one animal only for the rest of your life, what would it be? Man, I've actually. Can't say antelope. Carter's already said that. I wouldn't choose antelope, honestly. I've actually, the last few years, I've kind of gone back and forth. I've, like, friends and stuff ask that question. What would it be, you know? And I've kind of gone back and forth.

Until I killed an elk, I would have said elk. And it was just, I had been chasing them. You can hunt them every year over the counter, stuff like that. You can chase elk every year. And so I was chasing elk for the last few years and everything. And I would have told you elk. And then last year I killed an elk. And then for some reason, I don't know why, my mind has just switched over to mule deer, back to mule deer. Yeah. I grew up hunting mule deer. Where we all cut our teeth on. Yeah. It wasn't just an elk, though. That was an awesome bull on a tough, over-the-counter unit. I mean, that's not, there's a lot of guys that hunt that for a lot of years and never even see an elk. Yeah. Let alone kill him with their bow. Yeah. That good. So. He made me happy. I honestly didn't even really know what he was until I got to him.

I just kind of got a glimpse and saw him, you know, there was, he was a branch outland bull. My goal was a branch outland bull on that unit in that area. And so, killed him and walked over there and taped him out the next day. Surprisingly, he was over 315. So. Yeah. It was good. Pretty awesome. Over-the-counter. Over-the-counter unit here in Utah? Yeah. It went out pretty good. But. Yeah. I would say probably mule deer. It would probably be, that'd probably be it. Just because. I like it. It is. Join the crowd. Yeah. Exactly. I think so. Pretty much. Yeah. I mean. So, anyway. Well, it's nice to have young blood here at the Epic office. Logan. Nice to have somebody else. Nice to have somebody else with a sippy cup. Capri Sun or whatever. He's got a full-blown tan of hot. Oh, it's a monster. Monster. What? Monster. That's a man's drink. Did somebody card him?

I was just about to say, I had to ask Jason if I was old enough. Can I see your ID place, sir? I love it. He kind of sneaks those by Janna. Yeah. I was going to say, Janna cards him pretty heavy. Right in the pocket as I'm walking down the hall. She cards me. Really? Yeah. Pretty much. I can tell her no. No. But, anyway. We appreciate you. You guys are awesome addition here at Epic Outdoors. Just awesome. Of course, you know. Wyatt's going to work you a bit. So, anyway. Good luck over there on that side of the office. You've got a lot of bosses over there. Hey, that's all right. It's been good. I've honestly. There is a lot of bosses. There's at least five I can think of. I'm tired of being bossed over there. That's what we've got to go through, I guess. Jeez. There you go. So, I believe on my introductory podcast, I had to tell a hunting story. Should we get one of those out of cash?

We've got a little bit of one, but, yeah. Let's get one. Okay. What do you want to hear? I don't know. Something you want to tell us? Bull or something else? I don't know. Unique. Whether it be that bull. Whether it be something else. Or something with a family hunt. Something that would stand out. Or we can let you chew on it and come back to you. Either way. I don't know. I could think of a few, but I'll have to pick one out. Let me chew on it for a minute. I'll pick one out. Well, let's talk about the Muleys Matters a little bit, Josh. Or Wyatt or whoever wants to chime in. We did have some more donations yesterday. We have, yeah. We had one come in today. Another one. Yeah. That other rifle. Oh, yeah. Well, that one. Yeah. That was a Mossberg rifle. Yes. Right? Yeah. Yeah. We had a Mossberg rifle come in. That's a 7mm PRC. Pretty awesome. We're super excited about that. Guy called in.

And, of course, that'll all be announced. We're just officially on the Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. We're just getting rolling on some of that stuff. They're coming in pretty much so hot and heavy. Like, you can't just keep telling them one by one. Well, yesterday we had sheep's feet, you know. Yeah. Ten pairs of sheep's feet. Are we talking about the puppies? Puppy? No. We had a puppy come in. A dog. Remember? Like a $1,000 dog. Devin's donating moose. Remember? No. He decided that this morning. My wife heard you say that? No. Shouldn't have ended to these guys. He donating a dog? He was a lot tougher when he wasn't on air this morning. Yeah, he wasn't. Let me tell you guys something. Six, seven in the morning. I was, yeah, I was kind of. He's got two strikes. Let's just say that. What'd he do? He just, it doesn't matter. We don't need to talk about it. Puked on the carpet?

Sometimes it's just difficult. He's a good, he's a good dog, but we're not giving away moose. I thought he was a great dog. Period. No, but we'll go through them all later. But like I said, we're just creating a page on our website, too, that we'll end up unveiling. There's not a lot to really, we're going to wait until we're pretty much, you know, to the point. I mean, by the end of summer, I mean, you don't have to turn a tag in as we've well announced until by November 30th. But we've announced some of the highlights, but man, it just keeps rolling in. We did last time, we did last time talk through quite a few. Like, yeah, cash, five days, backpack meal, fierce rifle, Hoyt VTM, Vortex package, bronze, books and a painting, Louisville rangefinder trail cams. What was the dog? A Weimerheimer? What was the breed of dog? Wait, somebody really donated a dog? Yes. Oh, that's news to me.

Choose the breed. It was a Golden Doodle or a Weimer. Yeah. Which I don't know. Weiner, Weimer, Weiner, Weiner, Weiner. Close enough. Yeah. Mike Osprey. He breeds dogs. And so that's going to be, you know, as we've talked about, winners are going to be drawn in order and they'll pick in order. There's two lion hunts. If you want a mountain lion hunt or if you want a, I don't know, tattoo. Yeah. I think there's tattoos. Yeah, that's awesome. Freeze dried meal. Starlink in a pelican case. I mean, yeah. There's a look. Got Elon Musk in the middle of this. Yeah. Elon called us up. He's like, hey, I love you. Hey, Josh, how's it going? Let's take this to the moon. Yeah. Well, we had a little mishap, but hey. All right. So, anyway. Hunter Biden's donating a pelican case. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. So, I just wanted to talk about that. And a laptop. Yeah. Those guys are heavy right now.

They are. They are. I mean, it's getting nasty. They're getting roasted. Yeah. All right. So, anyway. Muleys Matters. Of course, you can follow that. Josh, you want to throw a little. Even Logan. You've been working on a website. Yeah. Hopefully, the website is up and running in the next few weeks. You can go on there and take a look at the prizes we've got available. What category, the tags you have might go in. What prizes are available in those categories. So, I'm excited for that soon. It's just kind of new and it's going to get ramped up more. We're obviously going to have more time here in the next month or so. You know, we're trying to finish up a bunch of deadlines and draw results and things like that. Kind of hitting the end of our busy season. So, we'll have more time to put some of that out there. So, keep watching our Instagram page, Muleys underscore matter.

Go make sure you're following that because that's where a lot of those posts are going to be. Obviously, we're going to. You might see some double posts because we'll have some stuff with Epic because it is ours, you know. So, we'll push it there. We just want to make sure everybody that we can knows. And I guess to make it clear, again, I know we don't have to keep saying it, but this isn't a we don't want you to go hunt thing. We want you to go. We want you to go hunt. Hunt your guts out. Yeah, because we obviously want to encourage people to go hunt. It's something we do. It's something we love. And we're all going to be out there doing the same thing. But we want you to go, you know, use your tag. But just we want you to be selective and have a good time. But also, if you decide not to kill a buck, shoot, send in your tag. And there's going to be some awesome prizes. That's right.

Maybe a little incentive. A little something, something. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so keep an eye on that. Like I said, we're going to go over everybody that has given us donations and continue to hit us up if you have something you want to donate. It can be anything. I mean, we've got concrete lifting. We've got all kinds of things. I mean, there's a lot of – Somebody's going to need a project. Yeah. They're going to pick something. That's why we're going to let them – Rocky's going to say, hey, you get the puppy and you're a cat lover. You know what I mean? You get to pick the puppy. Yeah. Or the tattoo. Or the concrete lifting. Whatever it is. Or, you know. There's a ton. Not Cash Lynn. Cold hard bench cash. You can't – My wife might be mad if you try giving me away. Really? That's good to know. You guys might come knock on the door. He hasn't been very long enough. Yeah.

Guaranteed any of our wives would give us away in three seconds. Oh, Doc. Good. Yeah. Well, anyway. Well, quick shout-out to – before we continue on, I want to give a shout-out to St. James Sporting Properties. Blaine and his crew there. Great brokers there. Licensed in Colorado. Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming. Basically, if you're in the market either looking to buy or if you've got family property or property you've got, inherited, whatever. You're looking to sell something. Give Blaine and his crew a call. 855-711-7577 or St. James or just sjsportingproperties.com. Great crew. They'll help you be able to, you know, come up with a plan to sell it. They're good marketers. They're hunters. They know how to tap into recreational farm and ranch properties. So, anyway, might even – every once in a while there's ranch there Jason's pretty interested in, too.

What do you mean? Like this one? Yeah. This one's in Unit 7. Yeah. That's right. New Mexico. New Mexico Unit 7. I'm like, jeez, I'm seriously interested in that. Go all in, Carter. Whoa, it's $4 million.

I'm out. I'm out. Hey, don't round up. It's 3-6. 3-6. Well, the time you get tax license and registration. Burry dock. Closing costs. Abatement fees.

Exactly. Water and rules. Or whatever they got there. Lawyers and attorneys. Archaeological clearance fees. Jeez. Anyway, well, Bronson, we're – I guess we're kind of tired about talking about how incredible this year is going to be in a large portion of this southern part of the U.S. We're ready for it to happen. We're so excited. And we just had a new magazine come out. It covers Arizona sheep, deer, and bison as well as California. And there's some incredible trophies featured within the Arizona section. So much so we even held back on some, maybe even a future cover. And just unbelievable. Animals killed last year. And we're seeing, you know, some of those tag reductions off of the drought. And then when you combine that, you know, so you've got lower, you know, hunters in the field.

Plus you combine that with incredible moisture levels, maybe even record in some cases, especially the Kaibab and the Strip. I mean, it's so exciting right now. Just think about that. It was a pretty solid year last year. Not phenomenal. Not the numbers of giant bucks, but it was better than the previous two. Let's put it that way. But, yeah, this year we've had, you know, we've talked about it in total blue in the face. So, yeah, we're absolutely excited. But give me a tag somehow. Fired up. Also, who's trying to get an Arizona deer tag this year? I mean, when I say trying, I don't mean I'm putting in for 13 B&A because that's not even trying. But, I mean, who's actually going to try? You, namely. Well, I have points to protect. You know, I've got to have, I mean, when you're in the plans, you've got to have plans. 24, 5 plus range, it's like I'm not just going to burn them on something.

So, yeah, I have hopes and dreams. But not maybe like some of y'all that have 5 to 12. There's a lot more damage you can try to do. So, pretty incredible. I think, Devin, you're going to be trying. Everybody's going to be applying.

I'm just throwing that out there to get his go. I'm going to apply, yeah. You're going to apply. That's the end of it. I just, I love teasing Devin. He's from the guy that has probably been there how many times in a row. So many times. I hate to even talk about it. That's right. That's right. I have. I've been there a lot. I think it would be a great year to be in Arizona with any tag. I know. I always do things wrong. I always hunt years, states in tough years, and then the good years I sit out. This year you're doing it differently. I'm going to try to do it differently. Okay. Places like Nevada, Utah, and I don't know, Arizona, backwards, you know. Probably won't be there this year. So, anyway, it's just one of those things. Pretty awesome, you know. And the sheep, desert sheep, unbelievable record. Feels like they've never been better, really. Never been better.

Certain units have come and gone, but other units have come on strong. But collectively, numbers-wise, they're as high as they've been in modern areas. It seems like quality in 22, 24, some of those 28 curb just a little bit. But then other units are just coming on just unbelievable. There's a number of 180-plus rams taken and more to be had. A lot of splitting of units just to maintain hunt quality, basically. When you start getting four, six, eight, you know, nine tags, Arizona's always been kind of more in favor of splitting instead of just adding tags and having a bunch of people all out there at once. They've always kind of done that whenever you get to whatever that trigger is in their mind. So, you've got a really good hunt. But, anyway, and, yeah. There's 137 desert sheep tags going to be issued throughout the state.

That's 17 tag increase and then the highest number of total sheep tags ever recorded in Arizona history. Yeah. So, unbelievable. Just an incredible opportunity. And, like, I was listening to their commission meeting and the commissioner says, you know, it's kind of their goal to make this a once-in-a-lifetime experience for people and feels like everyone should have that potential at a book ram. That doesn't necessarily happen. But just to hear that that might be one of their goals or, you know, aspirations, whatever, for the state is just awesome. Yeah. That's rare with sheep. You don't hear that a lot. No, no, never been better sheep-wise, deer-wise. You know, Kyweb tags are extremely limited in comparison to, you know, in the recent decade or whatever. And so, the people that do draw are going to have an incredible experience. That's right.

The early seasons are a week later this year, which just means, right? Yeah. Even the muzzle. The conditions, yeah, you might flirt with a little bit of pre-rut this year going into the first five days or so in November. Not that that's a huge selling point, but it's a bonus. I mean, if you're going to have some weather, last year that early hunt had some weather, and it definitely kicked in some stuff, you know, just for finding bucks. You get some snow in the middle of a hunt. Anytime, mule deer hunting is usually better. Well, and you get, you know, some of that stuff, like those poncegon bucks and that, you know, they cross. They cross, and once they get down there, they rut a lot sooner. I know when we were down there classifying that stuff, I would have to be basically done classifying those deer by December 1st.

They were done rutting by then when a lot of our deer here in Utah, this way, they're still going at Christmas, you know. And so, yeah. Yeah, when you migrate that far, as far as some of those deer do, they only go there for one reason. That's to winter and breed. Yep. Breed dead well. So, yeah, by the end of October, if there's some weather, like Adam's saying, you can have some good hunts down there, even early. Those early hunts, I mean, realistically, it's from an odd standpoint. If you like to hunt a big mule deer, they're odds-wise about the only realistic thing. Some of the late hunts, yeah, most of those have. But there's a lot of guys going to be looking at the early because you start to realize the max. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're not, when you're realistically, odds-wise, that's all you've got. The late hunts have one or two tags, right? Yeah.

One to three tags in the random draw. Yeah. So. And you hear, I've talked to guys a lot, you see it a lot with Colorado. And hear about Colorado a lot, guys always feel like they have to have a third or fourth season or something like that because they really want a deep rut type hunt. And on a year like this one with good antler growth, those deer, most of them are down there for the most part. They're already on the unit. And so maybe it's a little harder to find if they're not out as much or whatever, but they're already there. And so, yeah, just to have a tag on a year like this, you should probably be there too. If you can force the draw, you should force the draw. Yes, you should. So, Bronson, be forcing the draw. Devin? I could bring like six people in there. I forced a lot of draws through the drought years. That's my point. That's my point.

I'll get two and three tags in places I shouldn't be getting tags at all. I should be hunting stags, goats, and sheep. And I'm trying to hunt deer. Velvety, growing. Muley box. So, anyway, Devin, why don't you expound upon that a little bit? Oh, what do you mean? Hunting tough years. Drought. But you still freaking. Are you talking about the last year? It's still awesome. Arizona, like Arizona specifically, is just a blast. Are you talking Arizona? Yeah, Arizona. Are you talking Nevada? Or where you force some of these draws that you maybe in drought years, tougher years. Or the reason I even got to hunt was because it was a drought. You could look at it that way. Turn back tags. Oh, yeah. Things like that. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Oh, that's true. Some people that have maybe max points and have the ability to draw again have turned

tags back in in drought years in states like Nevada or Arizona. Yeah. And it's led to some of that. Yeah, but Arizona specifically was just awesome. It was so fun. Yeah. Which particular hunt are you thinking about? Barkery. Barkery. Barkery. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All on board on that. One cool opportunity we kind of overlooked, too, in Arizona is the coos deer down south. They're incredible, too, right now. Especially if you don't have a lot of points. And let's say you apply. Didn't you make a fairly bold statement the other day out of your office? No. I thought it was a proclamation. He said he was a declaration. He said he was a declaration. That's what I meant to say. One of the two. Weren't you doing the cobenza for that? Proclaim. He was crazy about coos. I'm too large to live in the desert. You don't see large things that live in the desert. Well, okay.

I don't preserve water in a hump. But, yeah, Josh, to your point. You're not too large. Continue. But just, you know, that's something that for a guy that doesn't have a lot of points, and you're honestly, you're never going to catch the strip or something. We all want to hunt that. But let's just say you apply in three or four other states for a mule deer. Why not say Arizona? I feel like I haven't officially pulled the plug yet, but I'm getting there close to say. Entered the plug. Entered the plug. Plug and play. Pulled the plug on a muley and entered it into the great cows. That's what I mean. Yeah. And just say, hey. Are you going to do that? Yes. He said that. I'm going to do it. When did you do that? When did you guys talk about this? Because I thought that was a cobenza for an mule deer. No, this was a day or two ago. He made a declaration or proclamation, one of the two.

Are you doing it? He's all going all in on two. What season?

Honestly, I'm not going to be too terribly picky. I don't. The later it gets, it gets tough for us again. So, I would rather go down there. We better put this on our schedule. Can we pick him a hunt out? Are you doing the October 27th? I'd probably go down there. I'd probably go down there, tend to go down there more often is what I would probably do. Instead of wait for something, I'd probably go down there. Have you been talking to people? I mean, have you got a unit picked out? No. No. He's just saying in general. Yeah. It's a great option, especially because they grow later too. And, I mean, monsoons can really help them significantly. Why don't we talk about the early monsoon that's supposed to happen? Didn't you have some predictor? I don't think they used the term monsoon, but it was. Look outside. There's a monsoon. It's a monsoon. Devin's like, look out of my clouds.

This morning was not a cloud in the sky. Now there's a storm building out there. There is? It feels good. What about yesterday? It's monsoon-ish. It went from sunny. It went from sunny. How about that chimp that you sent us? That was legit. Yeah. Post that up on Instagram. Did you already? I did on my. You did on the story, but we need to do that with this podcast. Yesterday did the same thing. But if you look at the weather. People out in shorts golfing, by the end of it, they were hypothermic. Yeah. That's the truth. It was cold. It's starting Saturday in southern Utah, but it's into Arizona, New Mexico. There's a big green. Tropical plume of something. Yeah. Which talked about what? Moisture. Moisture. Yeah. For the next month or 10. 10 days. Well, for the next week. 10 days. It was like the 18th through the 28th or something. It's May. It's usually like it's over.

We need to go back to the farmer's almanac. Cash? Yeah. Did you guys ever go by the farmer's almanac? You hear about it all the time, Nephi. Coffee shop. All the farm, like in the farming, you hear about the almanac all the time. Have you ever actually, do they make like a book? Get it in the ground. Yeah. There's a farmer's almanac. Huh? It's a printable book? You can Google it. I don't know if it's a book, but it's all over Google. It's all virtual and online. Sure. Back in the day, it was a book. Yeah. Some kind of print. It was an almanac. Where did they sell them? At the auction houses? Probably handed them out. It was on the IFA feed stores. It was on the dash that most farmers would have the King James and the farmer's almanac. That's the two books they have. That's right. Farmer's almanac was wore out. How to fix an Alice Charmers tractor, swath or something.

That was probably another manual up there. But if you look, look at this, like next week, Saturday, starting Saturday, well, this Saturday, the 13th, Saturday, every afternoon, see that big thing of moisture? Rich. Percentage of moisture every afternoon. You see that in July. We don't get building in May. So just think about the last year. So if we get it in May and then we get it in July and August again, then the last year, the last two years have been incredible monsoon. Yeah. But the last time we had monsoon moisture in May was 2019. April. What I feel bad about is how many tags I ate when I was a kid. Out of ignorance. Not even knowing. Out of ignorance. Like we're an educated hunter nowadays. Every year was the same and you're just going to go with the dude. And then if I didn't find one, it's because I suck. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That I didn't, I don't know how to hunt or whatever, or just bad luck. When really there was nothing big alive. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? We didn't chalk it up to that because we, I mean. And you hunted the same spots. We don't even have these reports now. You know what I mean? I mean, they were keeping records, but where did you find them? The Almanac. 2003. You couldn't Google it on your Motorola chocolate. No. Your Razor, whatever those phones used to be. What? LG. Oh, you're talking. Blackberry. Some of the phones. The Blackberry. I think you got to go a little further back even. What? The Nokia? The first Nokia? When you were a kid, you couldn't look at a Nokia? No. You played Atari. Yeah, your phone was plugged into the wall. We didn't even have, we had nothing like that. Internet was embedded while we were, you know, 20-year-olds.

Anyway, I just feel like, I mean, there was tags wasted. In drought years, what did that mean? We didn't even, we didn't know how to quantify that. We didn't know what it really meant to add our growth. Some people thought, well, during drought years, you might even grow better because per leaf built, there was more nutrition. You know what I mean? And it could happen because there's still always a giant deer killed on drought years. But especially in sandy, crazy country like that. Low density areas usually. Yeah. A lot of deer in places like, we've seen it on the Henrys and stuff, some years when it's dry down there, the oak is high-lined everywhere between cows, buffalo, and deer. Yeah. You're like, it's too dry. Yeah, there's too much, there's too much trying to get out of what's there. Trying to eke out a pound of beef or flesh or medicine.

So now when you're getting these tags and it takes so many points to draw them and it's just a well-thought-out process, it's an educated dump of points or plan of attack. Or you have to adapt because we're also big proponents of being brisking a little bit, too. I mean, there's times when you're packing Wyatt's number of points, which, hey, maybe that's a good segue. Where? Utah. Wyatt. We're going to talk about – This is when you defend yourself. How many points he was packing. No, I'm just talking about when you're packing a lot of points. It's a thought-out process is what he's saying. Oh. He's not saying that you have a lot of points. No. Not saying that you're planning on – This is dang near past tense. Not going there at all. Just saying, when you have a lot and you're more in the driver's seat to force something, you're not risking as much naturally.

But when you aren't, don't wait for the moon, the stars. And the weather. And the sun. And the weather. Your shadow to all, you know, line up. Like Groundhog Day or something. Take the tags when you can. And make the most of them. Go hunting versus – Yeah, for sure. Kind of like Joss was saying about coos deer. If you go down there more often, if you're just starting Arizona, it really is the only thing you can do. Well, especially when you're never going to get a strip tag or a late kayak or something like that. Exactly. I think there's also – you've got to know the system. Like you've got to understand, like for Arizona, you've got a max point draw. And then you've got the regular random. And if you are going to draw, let's say your second choice on the max point draw, you'll never be in the random for your first choice. That's right.

It doesn't mean to get a bit 13B if you have 10 points and you're putting in for a coos deer as your second choice. On an early coos deer rifle. It takes three points to draw. You're right. Exactly. You're going to draw that in the max point draw. 13B was for nothing. You need to be in the random on both. Might as well put two pretty good, you know, early coos. Right. So that you're, you know, interested in drawing to make sure you get one of them. That's right. So there's a lot that goes into that whole thought process of it's not just, well, I'm going to throw it. And you can. You can just blindly apply. And that's good. That's better than not applying. But there is a lot of thought that goes into it. Speaking of, we also heard from a lot of people after the elk draw that are just beside themselves that they didn't draw the tag that they were, quote, guaranteed to draw. Who, you, Adam?

I mean, I don't know. No. Maybe you were one of them? I was going to. I was going. You now have looked at the odds. And how many. What were your odds? 50, 50. But I was not talking about me. Okay. I'm talking about those guys that Wyatt has talked to. I've talked to several. With 20 to 24 archery points. And they thought, I was guaranteed. How did I not get a tag? Well, you were guaranteed last year when it was a drier year. And by February, a lot of people just sat it out and did points only because it wasn't looking like it was going to be phenomenal. And this year is the exact opposite. And those people and others came to play. Boom. And that's the same thing that's going to happen this year with deer. And draw odds are draw odds. Every year is a new product. Nothing is certain. Nothing is certain. I was guaranteed. How did I not get my tag? You guys told me I had to draw. No.

We told you what last year's odds were. Yeah. And the same thing, though, is what I'm saying with deer. Like, we're talking about the early kaibab and those things. You know, it's taken 13 or so. Those are going to jump. 13 or so. It's going to jump. And maybe two or three points. I don't know. A, because it's a couple of years into these low tag numbers. Really low. Yeah. I mean, really low. And it's been producing well. And the dates are a little bit later. And it's just. And last year did do that. And then you eliminate a state like Wyoming for a lot of people. That is always a last resort. I'm going to apply. You mean the go north plans fizzled? There are no go north plans. There's some people that are always going to try to go there. Because they always try to point, boost, or go to GRH.

But, I mean, collectively, how many calls have you got people clamoring to go to Wyoming this year? Not a lot. No. So, then all of a sudden, Nevada, which we had all kinds of hype about. Arizona, there's all kinds of hype. It's going to be harder to get tagged. Don't you think that the best year for Wyoming region GRH, let's just take those for example, would be this year or next year? In the next four to five years. Because the next four to five years, you're now hunting fawns that died. Yeah. You're right. I do think this year or next year. I absolutely do. The ones that lived are in that middle age class that are healthy, healthy, healthy. Yeah. So, you're just, your experience is going to go down because you're not going to see game. No. You're not going to see game. But it's not going to be better probably in three or four years than right now. No, it's not.

And so, people should do it. Yes. Either go now or you're going to wait a long time. Or you're going to wait five to seven years. If you want. And the next couple of years, Farmer's Almanac is saying, what, we're going to continue wet pattern. Am I wrong? For a couple. Really? No. What's that called? El Nino. El Nino. El Nino. El Nino. Yo. We're going yo. So, who knows? We're going to fill Lake Powell in two years. That's what I'm predicting. Come on. It's been a foot a day. It's been over a foot a day for the last four years. Well, it's over a foot a day right now. But, I mean, that happens every normal year. Doesn't it? Doesn't it happen every normal year? Yeah. But it might last for seven days, some years, and goes for, you know, 40 days in heavy years like this. I'm pulling for an 80 to 100 foot increase in Lake Powell. That's what I'm hoping.

Well, when you go down there, I've been down there before. We've taken little boats. And you haul them up on the shore. And you come back three days later, and it's the back that's in the water. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Little fishing boats. You go backpack for sheep for three days, come back. Oh, yeah. And it, you know, you have it 20 feet out of the water, but that's kind of horizontal distance. Right. So, vertically, three feet moves at 20-something feet. Oh, yeah. It's a problem. One more day, and that thing was floating.

It was serious. Little, you know, 15 or 20-foot aluminum fishing. You just drag it up on there, flip it over, and throw a cooler and a couple drinks under it, and come back. It's got problems. It's just about. No way to get home. And no way to get home. Thank you for Enridge. Well, hey, that was 20 years ago. That's a good point. What do you got? A mirror and some matches? Smoke. Campfire smoke. That's right. Hey, there's not very many of those on Lake Powell, so I'm sure you've been found. Oh, geez. Anyway, I don't know why we're. Anyway, so it's kind of interesting. There's a lot. Just talking Arizona, yeah. Yeah. That's why we're talking about it. It's the last, I guess we call it a big state. You can also mix and match. You can go mule deer first and coos deer second. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Deer points or deer points and change your mind next year.

You know, a lot of people talk about that, especially if you think you're going to go guided on a coos deer hunt if you drew one. And we always do like to point out to people, yeah, you should, but you can also go to Mexico for about the same price if you're willing and want to go to Mexico. And a lot of people, when they kind of look at it that way, like, okay, I've already got 10 or 15 points. Yeah, maybe I will just say, I'm going to do a Mexico coos deer hunt and do what mule deer hunt here. So just things to kind of weigh out in your mind. But if you are self-guided, good grief. I mean, there's more, you know. I've got some friends. Yeah. Now they've just thrown in the towel and they go down every year and they're killing some pretty good bucks. Like one of them out of their group, they're killing them over a hundred inch. And this is a zero point stuff every year.

Well, and if you, if you apply consistently, if you did the hunter ed, you go back to two points every year. You've got your loyalty in hunter ed. So you're starting at two and it's pretty easy to go back. Ethically hunting. You know, you've had a guy go and do the hunter ed, get ready to sign up for the actual day course. And you're like, whoa, you're doing the wrong program. It used to be hunter ed. You already did it. Yeah. I mean, I took my whole family down there. Yeah. And I did too. Ticks me off that you can just pay to play. You get a cent of a reimbursement for, for what you pay. It's 300 bucks a piece. You still came out cheaper. Slightly bothered. Probably. So I would say jump on that while you can. What? Ethically hunting. Yes. 300 bucks. Bronson, what is it? Like five hours? Four hours? Just depends. Everybody learns at their own pace.

Sometimes you can speed it up a little bit. Well, hey, if you take it as a family, you know, yeah, things go faster. All right. Logan, have you done that yet? Have you got your extra point in Arizona? So that's what I was going to ask, actually. I did the hunter ed thing a while ago. And you've got that. Do you do, can you do both? No. You can't stack? You're going to get one. Yeah, I do have people. I went down, stayed in the hotel. There you go. Did the day long thing. Downtown Fredonia. Did you? Was it Fredonia? I think so. I can't remember. No, it was probably Kingman. Her page? It was so long ago. I was little. So long ago. You're only 19 years old. That was like four years ago. How old are you? I'm 22. Oh. Come on. Well, that's a good dad, though. He was hauling them down there early. His dad knew. Paul's a good dad. Paul knew what a points man. World class. World class.

Every time I open up my points dashboard, I think Paul's a good dad. Taught you to tie down a side-by-side property. Well, there's some things he taught and some things he didn't. Sometimes you learn by experience. Cash, have you got that extra point yet in Arizona? I haven't yet, no. Okay. You need to do it. I need to do it. In fact, you're going to do it this weekend, okay? Perfect. Because it takes 30 days. Two weeks. You might not get it. They say 30, but it shows up earlier. Yeah, it shows up earlier, but they only guarantee it 30, right? Yeah, it says 30 days on the website. Well, they say 30, but it's always been faster in my experience. Just saying, get it done. You have to go to Arizona to do it? No. Did you do yours online? Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. It's online. Yeah, I'll get that. So you need to be doing it. Yeah, it's been online. And it's forever, all species. Yep.

Anyway, pretty awesome. You know that. Test my first try. Nice.

We're proud of you, Archibald. Thanks. I did it alone, man. I didn't have family home evening with nobody.

I love it. Family home evening tonight we will be doing. Dad's got the lesson. Devin, are you holding family home evening evenings? Yeah, me, Miranda, and Moose? Yes. Every Monday night. You're scolding the dog for a walk now. I can see it in the mailbox. You call Becky. Hey, Becky, I've got family home evening tonight. I've got it for the next two months. I love it. All right, so let's move on. You know what I really like in Arizona is these over-the-counter tags. Just the over-the-counter, kind of on a first-come, first-served, we're under a certain quantity that non-residents are limited to. And it's like 2,800 off the top of my head. 2,8-something, right, Bronson? You remember? Right in there. Yeah. Anyway, and so 2,890. And they go on sale December 1st. At least they did this last year. Kind of like your Idaho. Yeah. Ding, ding. Bell in your head. Yeah.

Think about the same time you do Idaho general. Same day. It was same day. Yeah. Yeah, and you can have multiple deer tags in one year. You can only kill one deer per year. Yeah, so you can get one of those in December before they sell out the non-resident quarter. What, it took it? Oh, it's a day. Let's call it a day and three quarters. Something like that. And then you can hunt in any open unit, but in individual units, they have separate harvest quotas that fill at different times. Right. So, whereas in Idaho, you get a tag, it's good for one unit. Arizonas aren't. They're good. They're good for OTC units. Until that harvest quota's limit's met. And they fill one area, you've got to go to a different area that's open. And so. Don't be getting one of these and hunting the kai lab. Yeah, don't be doing that.

No, and it's clearly in the regs what units you can hunt and the harvest quotas that are in there. But if you harvest a deer in, say, the January season, you can't harvest another deer in that calendar year. For that particular calendar year. So, you're going to have to do points only that year. So, keep that in mind, too. A lot of people don't care. Say, hey, I go down every January and that's my hunt and that's understandable. But if you like to apply in the draw, you may have to target the August and December seasons. Because then you can kill one and it won't affect what you do next year in Arizona. But what I honestly feel like, that's one of those opportunities that's going to go away and we're going to wish we'd have done it more. And the guys that are doing it, it's a great, well-kept secret. Even though it's not a secret, there's pretty big deer, dude.

I mean, we're going to Mexico and hunting big deer on the right year. Well, it's always been hard for us, Jason and I, over the years to do it. Because we get super busy. And even all of us now here, maybe some of you have done it before in the past. I personally haven't. But let's call it 20 years. My schedule from December to May has been really jammed. I mean, I don't even trap box cats anymore. And Wyatt's not going to let Cash go in January or December. Right? Why? That's a busy time. That's all he's going to say. It's not going to work for you. It's all right, I guess. I'll do what I've got to do. But it is a tough time. I'm not going to blame Wyatt. And it's also archery. So you don't do a two-day weekend smash and grab usually. So you usually got to plan a week and a weekend on each side. And go spend some time and build upon it year after year, hopefully. But it is.

And for a lot of people, I mean, most, I don't know, probably 45 out of the 50 states is a lot colder than it is in Arizona that time of year. So it's a good place to go in December, January. The rest of the United States is cold. Maybe not Florida, Hawaii, whatever. But you know what I'm trying to say. It's a good place to go, play around in the desert, and things like that. Pretty awesome. Well, you know, I guess, Wyatt, dive into our giveaway a little bit. Yeah. So, you know, we have our summer drive coming up. So if you join the membership or refer, you do get a ticket or an entry there. We're giving away, what is it, how many hunts is it this ticket? Tons. Tons, yeah. Eight. Doll sheep, Utah elk, Mexico elk, Colorado mule deer, Nevada mule deer, another Colorado deer. So we got archery, and then we've got a third season hunt. Yeah.

A couple antelope tags to go with your buddies there. And then Texas barbary sheep. Pretty awesome. Bronson, we changed it up a little bit and did the double on the antelope tags. Well, I mean, we're always at the times looking for something a little bit different. I mean, we figured landowner tag only in a very heavily public land dominant unit in southern Utah. Might as well give a pair of them, like two buddies or husband and wife or father, son, father, daughter, whatever, to go do something like that. That's just kind of a unique hunt there, fun self-guided hunt. But we always look for a few little different things, and then a bunch of the others, the bulk of them would be honestly hunts that we would all just die to go do ourselves. That's why we – it's kind of like when we go, quote, shop for these, which is a little bit what it is.

We've got to talk to the outfitters about who has the best openings and when and buy them years ahead of time and claim those and buy them and book them just like a normal person. It's fun to buy them. It's kind of like doing it like we would be doing. I get excited doing it every year because it's like I got it. I got a guy to commit for 2025 or 2024, and then the hunt comes around a year or so later. We do the drive, and it's always fun making the call. So, yeah, the deadline is, what, the day after Father's Day? June 19th. So, June 19th. I think that's one day after Father's Day. Yeah. I think it's a Monday. But, anyway, June 19th, whatever day that is. The drive's going on right now. You can join online at epicoutdoors.com or give us a call, 435-263-0777.

If you've been a listener to the podcast forever, need a reason to maybe join, maybe that's a reason to get your name in the hat for one of those, too. You'll get your name in the hat, plus you could, you know, sign up your buddies or purchase additional tickets. Of course, we're also giving away a rifle, bow, optics package. That's over $15,000 just for that package. One winner gets all. Awesome. Just another incredible opportunity if you're looking for hunts to fill up your fall schedule. So, speaking of fall schedule, a lot's about to happen here really fast. I was wondering, what are you guys all most excited about for these draw results?

I mean, I'm excited for Montana and Idaho because you got sheep tag riding. But the odds of that happening, I mean, if that happens, I've often. Sometimes I'm a Montana moose. Sometimes you're really excited about? No. Maybe. I'm excited I wouldn't have to talk about it for the rest of my life if that happened. But I would say, yeah, Utah, Nevada, I'm really excited. And they're going to be out. They always are out within like five to seven days of each other. When I say always for the last, you know, ten plus years. Utah moved their application period later this year, but their results should be, you know, within the next week or two. They say May 31st. They're always usually a little bit earlier than that. But I would say that. And then, of course, you got Wyoming elk coming out next week. You know, Idaho sheep, moose, goat, Montana sheep, moose, goat, bison.

You know, and like I said, we said Utah, Nevada, a lot in the next, what, seven to ten days. Even Kansas, whitetail guys. Yep. That, you know, which is, you know, not as. Exciting. Well, it's predictable. It's more of a plan. You know when you're going to draw usually. But I guess, you know, maybe we'll let Devin talk to this too. There's a lot that's going to happen, and a lot of stuff that is you expect that you're on the bubble of, but there's a lot of stuff that comes out of left field, and you've got to react and make a plan and give us a call, whether it be a self-guided approach or a guided approach. Devin, maybe just talk a little bit about that. I thought you were going to ask him how big the ticks are in Kansas. I thought that's where you were going with that. But Devin will never grace that state again. You know when you eat something bad and you never forget it?

You mean like apples? That airport, I never want to go to that airport. Beats for me, I hate beats. I love beats. You love them? I love them. Adam will load up his salad. I get them in a salad barn card and dry heaves over there. Well, almost. Adam doesn't just get a salad. That's true. This is a bowl that's like for like a one scoop ice cream thing, and I mean it's heaped. And right on top are two giant freaking beats. Anyways. What was I saying? Back to ticks and cans. No, before that. I want you to think about a hunt story. Okay. You and Cash are going to tell us. Hunt story for me? You and Cash are going to tell us hunt stories. All right. Go ahead, Devin. I was just going to say. Yeah, just wanted to tee it up basically. A lot is going to happen. Yeah, especially once in a lifetime tags. Those are the biggest curveballs for anybody really. Or by anybody. Every time.

Like we just had some Wyoming stuff come out. Those are fun calls to make. It turns people's, your whole life schedule, you think you know, and all of a sudden bam. You guys made some awesome calls. Wyatt had guys over in Europe or wherever they were calling them, telling them to do sheep tags. We had a guy calling yesterday for a sheep in Unit 17 in Wyoming. Wow. Resident guy. Talked to guys at two, three, five, several. So exciting. Anyway. And it can be a deer and elk tag could be labeled that. There could be certain places. You know, some of the Utah or Nevada. They literally are one or two in your life, you know, maybe. So if you're thinking about using an outfitter, just don't delay because either your dates or, you know, your availability of certain outfitters or guides can change if you wait and think about it for a week or two. You deal with that all the time.

That's what I was just going to say. 100% what you just said. Say it again, Devin. Say it in your terms. We say it every year all the time. Don't wait. Even on draw tags because, I mean, there's a lot of outfitters that cover a lot of areas, but we want you to be with the guys who want to have that tag in that specific unit. They beg. They beg. Find me a hunter for that. Yeah. Call quick so you get to go with those guys. They call Devin or one of us and say, find me hunters for this and this. And then other people are slightly different. There's a lot. There's some overlap. It's not like there's only one person for the unit or tag you've drawn. But there's some places there's clearly a number one. For sure. Absolutely. And if you wait too long, you're going with somebody that's probably that's their secondary unit or something like that versus their baby unit.

So a lot of good news, hopefully, coming somebody's way, somebody at the table. Yeah, answer your phones when we're calling you. Yeah. Might be something good. Check your emails. In a couple weeks. Check your credit card. Check your email. Call. You know. Might be cash trying to get a good credit card. You never know. Hey, I've made a lot of calls for credit cards, and I've left a lot of advice. You're asking me how to do that. And I've got a lot of non-returned phone calls.

But, hey. But we've made sure everyone got in. So we're doing good. Maybe it'd be better to just tell them, hey, this is Epic Outdoors. Got some news for you if you just want to give me a call. Even if it's just that you need a new credit card. You need to be way more vague. There you go. That's right. Yeah. We've got some good news. Sponsor rate will be way higher. It's coming past. But the next one is on the table.

What draw results are you most excited about? Ooh. Probably sheep. Montana. Nevada. Top of the list. Top of the list. Mexico already broke my heart. Waiting for that one for all my life. 20 years. You know, Arizona's going to have some sheep results here in a while, too. I love it. What? They are, Wyatt. You're right. He's wanting to sheep hunt. That's what I'm getting out of here. He is. Sheep, goat, moose, and stags. Yeah. This is a once-in-a-lifetime species these guys drop. It's a wet year. I'm really excited about sheep, goat, moose, and stags. I did buy Silver State tags in Nevada, too. I did, too. Also? I did, too. I'm excited about that. Yeah, me, too. Could you imagine if you drew that? I'll probably buy a dream tag or two when they come out here. Are you? Probably. How many? You didn't draw. I'm going to double what you do. You didn't draw the Arizona raffle deer tag yesterday.

I didn't get the Arizona raffle deer or elk. You did that, too. You drive down there. Got to follow the law, Jason. What do you mean? The rules are you have to be in Arizona to get those raffle tickets. I took a picture of where I was standing with location services on. Seriously. I wasn't out of it. And did we win? No. No. I would have felt better if I won. And they say, where did you buy your ticket? I just said, just send them a picture. Right here. That's right. What would you do? I even took a picture driving back through I-15 of the Welcome to Utah site. One of us is going to draw one of these kind of tags someday. Someday. What would you do? You've already drawn one. Which one? You know the feeling of opening up an email and saying, successful for sheep. Well, sheep. Yes. A once-in-a-lifetime tag. Yes. I'm talking about one of these raffle deer tags or something. Oh. Oh, Jesus.

I can't think of a single tag I've ever drawn that wasn't forced. Who? Can I? Really? Just saying. Yeah. In my life. Keep playing. In your life. Because it happens. It happens. We're living proof. I mean, that is the by and large of the majority of mine, too. But there's been a few wild ones. But then you've got some guys. Jason's got two sheep tags. Adam can't do a 50-50 flip. He cannot win. He cannot win. We were talking about it the other day. But the one in 100, he wins. Yeah. I've won goat tags in Alaska. I've won 150 or something. Yeah. Antelope in Arizona. I did get a sheep tag in Oregon. Yeah. I've had a few. Big, big elk tag in New Mexico. But I get down to the 50-50 almost. Yeah. I don't even want to get excited anymore. It doesn't happen. You've got to go for the long shots. Yeah. Always. Always. Because that's the only ones you really get.

Which tells me when I'm on the verge of drawing something, I'm going to be 50-50. I should probably apply dual with somebody, split our points, dilute them, and be in the random draw, and I'd have a better chance. Okay. I like it. I'm going to change my rationale. Hey, anybody want to use my points with me? I'll join you. I can help a little bit. You got 10? Hey. Adam, you need to go do Silver State. Well, you can. What? Did you do Silver State Antelope? No. I don't do that one. Those long shots. I do some of the Silver States, but not Antelope. I don't know. You have the whole office. I can't wait for our trip. What Antelope choices you were applying for? It's only because I have probably the most points in this office, which I'm not saying that's a lot. Teens or wherever. But, I mean, hey, they killed some big – I've been watching Devin, Wyatt.

Some of these guys killed giant bucks in Nevada. But then we throw out options, and you're like, that's not close enough to home. I want something. No. No. No, I'm not close to home. You saw that list. Well, I'm contractually obligated and promised to go with it. So, there's nowhere too far. I've got blood oath, and I may or may not have offered the meat. Devin just wanted to donate him the meat. I may or may not have offered that in writing already. I'll bring the cooler in the ice. Yeah. That's a deal. Hey, it's pretty easy to get a guy to go longer. He's going to make him cutting out the rib meat. But, anyway. Only neck shots. Headshot. Yeah. Headshots. I can't mount it. I can only do a euro on this. I can't use a cape.

Somebody's going to draw something, though. Oh, we are. I would say at this table, something. It's about to happen. It's about – something good's brewing. I've said that all year. Josh and I are doing Alberta. Why, too? Are you? Oh, yeah. November. I got my passport renewed. Wyatt and I did that. Yeah, we did. Online. That was awesome. It was kind of cool. Wyatt, it was cool. Why did you – do you got plans? Where did you get your passport renewed? Just 10 years? Yeah, 10 years. Wyatt keeps thinking about that tunnel. I think the minute we talked about the tunnel down at Tijuana – He realized, I need to get some – my affairs in order. And we went and applied and we got it. Mine just expired. It had been 10 years. But we're good to go. If some hunt comes up, we're good to go. Yeah, exactly. If somebody says, hey, I can't go, go to Mexico or whatever.

That's the only place out of the country I've ever been is Mexico for hunting purposes. You'd be mad if you didn't have that and a guy says, hey, I need another gun in Mexico on an awesome ranch. You know some friends down there, good friends, Wyatt. So that could happen. Yeah. I did the exact – again, I did the exact opposite. Well, Chia Pet year and I'm going to Iowa and Alberta. Going north. I mean, in prime deer hunting. And he's taking a friend with him. Yeah. And I phoned a friend and he said yes. I mean, do you think about it? November 20th to the 30th, I'm in Canada. The end of October to the first part of November, I'm in Iowa. That's news to me. And it's a Chia Pet year. I didn't know that. What? I did not know that. Oh, I've already applied. A done deal. That opened up over the weekend. I wish you could point boost in Iowa. I had to point boost at somebody right there with me.

You had seven, didn't you? Yeah. They don't point boost. No, they don't. So anyway, where were we? Let's move on. We were just talking about schedules. Yeah. And what you're excited for. And whitetails, 30 days of whitetail hunting came up. That's what you brought up. Yeah, I got that. So anyway. No, I'm a little disgusted. I know a guy in Ohio if you want another one. No. How about Kansas? You could do that December 1. Ticks. December. Tell us about those ticks. What about, they're just ticks. I mean, usually ticks don't really. Especially December. We've talked about this before, haven't we? Not on a podcast. College. Wyatt, me, ticks. Oh, we better not even go there. We. What? Oh. What? Oh, yes. Who checked who? We are going there. That's what I wanted. Who was checking who? Oh. No, there was a lot. I didn't check nothing. You guys are disgusting.

We got a whole Brad Paisley song written up in these guys' college chair. Check you for ticks. No. Ticks don't typically latch on to me, but. They did. In Kansas, they liked me. No kidding. And I had never had COVID, you know. He had a double whammy. Oh, yeah. And I felt dizzy. And I'm like, I don't feel right, you know. And I just felt yucky. I've been butchering my buck all day. Googled lime. Ticks. Before you left, or in Kansas. In Kansas. Your buck you killed. Yeah. And I just felt funny. And then the next day. Yeah. I just. Let's just say I brought some home with me. All the way home. All the way home. I told Miranda, my wife, not to get, you know, way down that road. But I said, hey. Let me put a little song on for you. Yeah, let me put a song on. Like, check my back. Like, she's like, what do they look like? My little black bug. She's like, like that? And I look at my shoulder.

Come on. And a big old whopper on. I don't mind to check his back. After what? She had to go get a hairbrush.

Josh.

How did she get it? I mean, because by then, this has been a day or two. Two days. Two days. How did she shave his back first before she could check? This was two days. There. Two days. This thing was plumping up, probably. Probably, yeah. It had to plump. It went on my leg in the night. It was terrible. It just grossed me out. And you literally had COVID right then. Yes, I did. I felt very strange. Maybe it protected you. Anyways, yeah. So the thought. Killed the ticks. The ticks got it. Ticks got COVID. They died. Could have saved you. That's how the world works. It sure was fun, though, to smoke a bug. Like, 28 yards with your bow. It was fun. Yeah. That's good. Not bad. Kind of a similar Kansas incident where I went back to the lodge after sitting in one of those big blinds, box blinds all day. Went back to the lodge and went to pull the hoodie up over my head and a brown recluse

came out of it. What? It hit the floor right in front of me. This big old brown weird looking. You'd worn that in that blind? It had crawled in there when I'd. All day long it had been there. Yeah. In the hood? Crawled into the hood, yeah. So I was sitting in my hood. They're no joke. You're lucky. They're no joke. Go and get the outfit. I'm like, what the heck is this? And he looks at it. He's like, yeah, that's a brown recluse. Good thing you didn't like it like the ticks do. It was just chilling in my hood. So we got another story about these things. I would go shed hunting and come home. Me and Wyatt were roommates, obviously. I lived way down the hall and I had a little storage room and I'd throw my pack in there and my camo and whatever I was wearing. The storage room was perfectly halfway between Devin's room and my room. No, it wasn't. It was in my room.

No, the storage room they were coming out of was the dungeon. Maybe. We had a lot of dungeons.

Trapdoors. Don't. It's the lair. The lair. Dungeons. Anyways, they would migrate to wives. Don't incriminate yourself. Yeah. He had to quarantine them. Yeah, so I had to clean the whole entire house with tick killer. Get rid of all these ticks. He brought a whole nest in one day. Did you guys bring one in and it's like some gal left with the tick or something? I forewarned him. I saw one and he fell off me. I couldn't find him. It was a brown carpet. In the 70s. Sure enough, one of the girls. She found it. Right on her neck. She was latched, huh? Yeah. That's disgusting. Did she ever come back to your place? No, not that I remember. Don't blame her. Yeah, no. Well, it's that time of year. She's a nice girl. She's kind of disgusting. Spring. Turkey hunting and bear hunting brings out the ticks. I find them every year. May is bad. Turkey's been kind of fun. You guys were slaying.

Yeah, it's been fun. Geez. Ashley missed one. Called one in. She's disgusted with herself. So she'll have to redeem herself. But pretty fun. Justin's truck. Yeah? Let's stop talking about trucks. I got done and you started with another kit truck. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And the busted ball joints. Yeah. Anyway, so, all right. Should we talk about a couple of stories? Cash, you got a story for us? Sure. Yeah. Oh, he got a goodie. I don't know if it's a goodie, but it's one that I hold near and dear to my heart. Could it be fact-checked? Yeah, it can be fact-checked right here. All right. What does that mean? Day and time and everything, but I'm not going to get too deep into it. Locations or nothing? Not locations. I won't give you locations, but I'll give you day and time, time learning. Well, right. If we know the rough year, you can find out where.

Yeah, I was going to say, you know who you're talking to. Yeah. I know who's in this room. Wyatt, you were going out into detective. What were you? Criminal justice. Criminal justice. I did take some criminal justice classes. Isn't that your degree? I took some criminal justice classes. I honestly wish sometimes I went out. We're back to Cash's story. Sometimes I wish I went out into that. It's kind of- It's a tip team. It is. It's a tip team. He read books about terrorism in college. I remember that. I did have to do terrorism classes. Did you ever read those handwriting analysis books? Have you ever seen those? Were you like- We talked about handwriting stuff, but we never- They're like profile, like all the serial murders. Do they? Yeah. There's all these different- I'll write a quick note to my wife. This is before texting. Yeah.

But when you had to leave a note for your wife on the kitchen counter when you went out that night. Right. Well, she kept it one night. She was reading one of those books. She's a reader. She kept it and internalized that you're writing- That I have some felon's claw or whatever the way I signed it. And I'm like, you're lucky you got a note. Because I could have not told you where I was going. And I just scribbled one out and left it on the counter. Don't judge me by that. But anyway. Don't make me mad or I'm going to become a felon right here and now. Don't know where we got to that, but that- Didn't know if you had one of those classes. I wish I would have went out in that sometime. It was pretty cool. Pretty interesting. Did you have the crime scene class from Williams where you had to go in there He did have evidence. A few of those. Pollock took some of those classes, too.

How come you didn't go out into that field more? Like, it was just kind of like, uh- Because I'm here with you guys. I know, and I love it. He works in that field every day.

I'm actively working. Here with you guys. Joe's going to the hunting world. All right. Okay. He learned how- He also learned real life about that same time, how one receipt can be a big lead in a case. What was this? We did talk about that on the podcast already. One of my all-time favorite Wyatt Bull stories.

That's when he turned anti- Let's just cash. You probably haven't heard it. It has to do with the FBI. Oh, perfect. Yeah. But anyways. Anyway. The smallest piece of evidence can be found. It can. It's probably related to do that, huh? This is what he did. It wasn't my receipt, though. Tried to set the whole forest on fire? Well, a point, a 32nd of an acre. One 64th. A 64th of an acre. Basically a campfire that burned a little bit of pine. Dang lucky. Pinion noodles. Yeah, we got dang lucky. But it was raining so hard, I don't know how anything- Have you ever started a fire since? No, I haven't. Never have. He's frozen it on every hunt. Make sure he uses the receipt. You never have started another fire? No, I don't start a fire when I'm glassing or anything. I believe he would never start another fire. Fire. Wyatt's got that in. I don't either. That scared the crap out of me.

Have you ever started another fire? Like an accidental fire? No. On purpose. Like a fire. Oh, yeah. One time. For roasting marshmallows. Oh, the hunt? Southern Nevada, there was six inches of snow. And you had to. Felt safe. Do or die? I felt safe. Do or die, yeah. Wyatt? I felt safe that day, too.

Next thing you know. Next thing you know. Also safe. All right. Okay. Fun stuff. All right, Cash. Okay. When and where? When and where? Well, where was Utah? Really? And when was 2020? Wow. Recent. It was recent. It was actually the first deer I ever killed with a bow. There you go. And I have had some heartbreakers with a bow when I was younger, too. Yeah. Just other ones. But that's a different story. But 2020 killed my first archery buck. Still actually my biggest buck to date, which is somewhat sad. But that's okay. You're young, too, though. You're very young. But I got the hunt that year for maybe 15 minutes. Whoa. I like those. That's about all the legal hunting light I got that year. Jeez. What? Was there some illegal hunting light? What? Yeah. No. No. It was all legal. It's a weird way to phrase. We were 15 minutes into legal hunting light. Oh, I see. Legal hunting hours.

There you go. It was opening day buck. Opening day. Opening day buck. And so. I thought there might be a poaching reward for the whole moon. Full moon?

Damn it. We've got some basic questions for you, Kat.

No. Anyway. No. I had, I guess. You found a buck? Backstory. Yeah. I found the buck actually the year before. Me and my buddy have actually hunted the area for years now. And we've killed some good bucks out of there now. But I found this buck the year before with my wife. Went up one night. I was like, I'm just sick of being at home. I had to get out and get scouting or whatever. So I said, we're going and we're glassing this meadow. And we're going to see what walks in. Because we knew of a couple good bucks that have been around. And one in particular had started out really well. So I was going to say, go see if I could see him in person and figure him out. And so we go up, glassing this meadow, can't see anything. And I adjust by like 25 yards. And here's this buck sitting there feeding. I'm like, what the heck? I have not seen that deer. And he is tall and narrow.

Like super narrow and super tall. Just a straight three point. You could tell he was younger. Maybe four years old. Probably not super old. And so we watched him. Watched him. Ended up calling him towers. Just because it was just straight up. Straight up. And just cool deer. And so that was actually the only time. I'm pretty sure the only time that year that I saw him in person. He was in some really flat stuff. Thick pines. They could go 20 yards and be gone. And so we knew where he was. Knew roughly of him. And so never saw him during the hunt. Ended up killing a buck later that year. Just a little four point. Kind of wish I wouldn't have killed him. He would have been good. No one now. Could have entered your tag in the Mealy's Matter. I know. It could have paid off to not pull the trigger. But anyway, the next year. That was 2019. So 2020 rolls around. We start our scouting.

Throw some cameras out. And on that same meadow. Threw a camera in there. And sure enough, this buck comes up. And it's early. I think it was like June. End of June. And he gives us a picture right there. And shows his left ear really well. And his left ear, he has a big kind of cut out of it. Not a big cut, but just a little cut in there. Notable. And so I was like, that buck looks really familiar. Starting out. And so I went back to that particular video I took of him. Zoomed in. Found out he had that cut in his ear. Knew it was him. And so I was like, well, he's in the same general area. We hunted all of this area last year. There's this ridge that runs down to where we're thinking they're bedding. And so as the year winds down, we run our cameras. That doesn't do us a whole lot of good, but we see him as he grows and whatnot.

And so we actually got one day a picture of him in late July. Um, they're on the travel corridor where we were thinking they were using it. And so opening morning rolls around, or day before the opener actually, the evening rolls around and my buddy goes up this different way. I go another way and he sees another good buck. And it's right near this water that's not far from there. And so we kind of get a game plan together. The opening morning comes. He goes over there to kind of go after that deer. And I decided to play the travel corridor that this buck, we were thinking this buck was using. And it, it could have been, I could have missed him by 40 yards, you know? And so, um, end up in this little pocket meadow and sitting there waiting. And I can kind of hear some crashing. Cause we know a lot of people come up over top and they'll push deer down quicker in the morning.

So we got in there in the dark and, uh, I can kind of hear some crashing coming down through. So I was like, well, it's either a person or a deer. And I'm sitting there just behind this little tiny pine tree. That's maybe a foot and a half wide. And just as tall as me, just kind of as a blind. And I'm standing on a rock and I figured, you know, if they come in this meadow, they're, we're good. It's just a little pocket across all the furthest shot would be like 40 yards. And then there's one strip where he could shoot out to like 70 and it'd be, it'd have to be a miracle for him to stop in it. And so I get everything ranged and I ended up hearing the crashing. He comes and I can see him about a hundred yards sitting there and I'm like, holy crap, that's towers. Like, whoa, he's standing there like a hundred yards. He's looking kind of down into that meadow.

And normally after looking at it, he should have just normally stayed right on the elevation he was going right down and right into his bed. And instead he jumps over this log. I mean, big old log. Hops over, takes about five jumps and he's like on top of me, like covers ground. He's busted from something above. No, he just decides he's going to bound through and it's a lot of deadfall. So he just bounds through really quick. Yeah. And then he hits the edge of the meadow and kind of goes into a trot, starts walking. And we'd see this particular group of bushes, whatever we, we had seen that they'd just been feeding on him like crazy. So that's why I wanted to sit originally. And they're sitting at about 30 yards. Is he alone? Alone. Completely alone. So he comes trotting in, walks in, gets to that. And I was shaking so bad. But I drew back when he's behind the tree.

And when, when he gets there, I gave him my best right out there. And it was like the shakiest little like. So I'm like, he probably thinks there's some retarded sheep over here sitting in the trees. Like, what is that? Yeah. So he stops, looks over and I smacked him. Really? I put him at 30, 27 yards. Yeah. So I put him for 30, ended up hitting barely higher than you'd want to really. He takes off and crashes through these trees, goes over there. And so, and we had told each other at, I think it was like 730 or something. At 730, we'll get on our radios and we'll just see how we're all doing. We won't turn them on until then. And, and we'll just check in. And so I, it was like a little, a little bit before that. So I turned mine on and that time hits a few minutes after that hit. And my buddy's like, Hey, how are you guys doing? My other buddy reports, I haven't seen anything.

He was hunting elk. And so I get on there and I was like, Oh, I just shot towers. I'll calm. Just playing it out. Like, I just shot towers. I'm like, no, you didn't. You'd be way more excited. I was like, no, I really did. Then I got really excited. And so they. You hadn't even started tracking them yet. No, I'd, no, I'd went over and found blood. I went and found blood. It had been probably 15 or so minutes, whatever. I went and found blood. So I knew where to start. And he actually didn't bleed for like 80 yards for, for a minute. Slightly high. Yeah. A little high. Yeah, it was high long. So his lungs had to fill on a few feet.

So ended up, they got over here. Okay. And we get over there and I could hear him. I heard him crash when I was looking for blood. I was like, he's got to be right there in that pocket of trees. I was like, I know he's going to be. So we start tracking him more and more and more blood as we go. And sure enough, we're walking over. There he is laying there. And I can even tell Devin to fact check it. We took pictures. I'm not the fact checker. Oh, right here. Here's a picture. At 744, we were taking pictures in the morning. Wow. And that's after waiting a few minutes. And all those guys getting over here and tracking. So you're just saying. So it was like 15 minutes. For these. The windows. Does it have, does it have locations? It has locations on? I don't know. I'm not sure if it does or not. Well, you should know. Screenshot that. Send it to Jason. We need to work on your settings there.

I haven't dug too deep into that. Was he a three point that year? He was a three by four. Four that year. He actually split. It's actually kind of cool. I can show you.

Let's see. There's a picture somewhere right here. But on his three side, he looked like he was going to split. But it never actually separated. It just kind of separated with like a circle time on the bottom. It's kind of weird. But you can kind of see it there. But it never, like you can feel under the velvet and everything, it never separates. So it's kind of cool that way. But yeah. Super tall. Not super wide. Anything. But that's probably one of my favorite hunts. Towers is dead. Yeah. It's like a good photo to use when we announce that there's a new podcast out. It'll be a good photo. Yeah. So. Whatever you call that. Simple photo. Yeah. Whatever we call that. We're going to use a couple of photos. We'll use a couple of photos, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'll have Cash send me that. Air drop so it keeps the location on. I'll get you a tick photo or two. Just be careful. Yeah. Be careful.

No tick photos. Right. Yeah. Got to watch out now. He knows how to work all these phones and stuff. I didn't grow up with them. What do you mean you didn't grow up with them? I didn't. No. In high school, I had a dinosaur phone. What was that? A flip phone? It's just a flip phone that I'm not kidding. I could. Wyatt knows. Above where the gym is, it's a stairwell. I could drop that thing from the front. It did not break. Not ever. How old are you? Was that the test? 25. There you go. The test there. It wasn't a test when I was there because we all had just the old flip phones that were invincible anyway. With me and my friends, that was kind of the joke. I couldn't break my phone, but they could break theirs. So, we did all corners of crap for that thing. I have a question for you guys. You and Logan. You brought up the cameras.

You guys came up hunting through the ranks and cameras were already cranking. Right. Right. You've never hunted without cameras. Did it make you nervous or bother you when they were doing camera restrictions? No. Me, not one bit. You could care less. You could care less. I could care less because last year, we didn't even run them. Or, I guess the year before, we didn't even run them. Okay. We decided that me and my buddy in the area we've been hunting, they did us no good. We knew what bucks were there. Right. We'd go up and scout ourself. It's way better that way anyway. Right. And so. Because you guys are keeping your scent and everything out of it. Bronson, you and I have talked about it. We hunted way before cameras. Oh, yeah. And then you've got a segment of the population that started. They were, cameras were going. It was part of what you did. We had the evolution of film.

Then we went to the evolution of batteries and CFs with like three C's and four D's or four D's or three C's or whatever. Four pounds. What were the brick ones called? The big old brick batteries. Oh, those were six volt. Six volt batteries. That was my first cameras. Had to hook the wires up to them? Wires. Yeah, with little alligator clips. With film. I think. Had to go to Walmart. But these guys grew up in SD cards. I mean, they never even. Right? Those cameras are the definition of janky. For sure. Janky. For sure. Look it up. So, Logan. You guys like cameras. I know. Yeah. You can't freaking pull the wool over my eyes. No, we like cameras. But the more. You twitched a little bit when they were going to take those away. Well, it's more of like it's fun. And it's nice to see what's there and when. Yeah. But the more you think about it, it's kind of luxury.

And there you can go find them either way. It's not like. Yeah. I don't think it's taking bucks out of anybody's hand either way. Yeah. I think it's just a good luxury to have. Just fun. You can still go. We all used to hunt without them. Just like bait or everything else. You used to hunt without it. So, you can do it again. But I love checking cameras. So, I sell them for a reason. You guys never hunted without them. That's what I was kind of getting at. You guys have never hunted without them. My earliest hunting memories is those big, giant, black flash trail cameras with all the D batteries on the side. Yeah. And checking those with my dad. Uh-huh. That's what they were. They were. Does he still have them? He has two of them. Guaranteed he does. I think just for memories. We don't put them up in them. Those are good deterrents around your house. People think, oh, geez.

Pat flash is crazy. They haven't taken a picture for 15 years. That's a good point. I got a big flash on those things. Yeah, they do. Big old white flash. Yeah, like the colored night photos. Yeah. Pretty sweet. Probably weigh like eight pounds with the box on them. All right. So, let's see. Logan, you're up. You got a hunting story for us? Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite experiences is that buck right there. That was my first mule deer I ever killed. I like it. And yeah. Yeah. It was. Whoa. Oh, we got the camel up and going.

Okay. Is tonight the. He's off. He's off air. Tonight's the game. We're going to announce it. He had to run. Josh had to run. He tried to sneak out of here.

He's right now. He's walking on his own legs. The camel has left the building. He's like this. I hope tomorrow you're walking in here. He's going to a celebrity softball game. Hey. Don't hurt yourself. The parents play the kids at Penguich High and the barbecue. Hopefully. Hey, be careful. Hopefully you're not out for months on end. He's got to go stretch out. Yeah. Be careful. Stretch. He's got to go do some yoga and get ready for the game. Guys aren't young anymore. He tries to nimble out of here. He handed me a note and he said the dinner thing. And I really, I forgot, but he's got a softball game against his daughter's high school team. I'd go there and I'd give it 100%, man. I would just. Until you hit line one off of a girl's face. That's not fun. I did that to my buddy in high school. So, I told him, we were playing softball for PE and I said, don't pitch me outside.

I said, just keep it middle end. Otherwise. Where was he playing? First place? He was pitching. Oh, and if you did that, you'd set it right up the middle. Oh, yeah. I said, I'm a pull hitter. You know that. I was like, don't pitch outside. You pitch it outside. Pitch it outside. I'm not taking it to right field. I'm going. Yeah. I didn't push it and it hit him right in the side of the head. Jeez. Crazy. I felt so bad. Yeah. You can't control it. I was like, well, I kind of told you about all that. After he comes to. Anyways, Logan. Yeah. Back to you. Oh. Yeah. So, that was my. Camel has left the building. He was like, what? What? I got distracted when Josh knocked everything on my desk. Yeah. Your desk is so. Oh, it's so funny. We'll put it back together. Can you imagine him in a blind?

Hey, let alone with a blind buddy, too. Blind buddy and Devin. I mean, geez. It's a solid deer for a first deer, though. Oh, yeah. I can't complain. Are we talking about. Yeah. Yeah. That was my first deer right there. What's his name? Uh-huh. The four. Tin can, we called him. Tin. Okay. What about the five gallon gas can? So, that was gas can. Tin can, gas can. That's kind of where the story starts is me and my dad were hunting this buck. Big old hook cheaters on both sides. Five by five. We called him gas can because when we were initially looking for him on the watering hole we knew he was at, somebody had left a full gas tank sitting right there. Fiver? Yeah. Oh. And, you know, we're good people, so we didn't even take it. We just put it up underneath a tree so that they could find it when they came back.

Maybe that was an old school deterrent to gas fumes leaking out of the water to keep the deer off it. They were really getting one to force him to do a different water. No, I didn't think about that. It was gone. And over there they'd steal trail cameras in that vicinity. I'd have put gas and diesel together, thrown it out there and let them throw it in the truck. Yeah. We didn't steal it, but they came back and got it. Yeah. And so we called that buck that five by five gas can, which my dad actually harvested the year after I got that one. And anyway, through trail cameras and scouting, we found this one. And we were saying, well, he's kind of like, they were definitely brothers or father-son. And so it's like, we got to call him mini gas can, but that doesn't make sense. So tin can sounds good. But anyway, there's an insight into the naming convention in the Marshall House. I like it.

I guess. I guess. Pretty sweet. There we go. Yeah. They are in-depth conversations. I like it. And this was the year that I really fell in love with hunting. It was always something I did with my dad, but this buck showed me the challenge and the contest about it. And I really fell in love with hunting this year because we had to work hard. You were on a specific buck. There was one deer. Two deer, I guess. Two or three deer, yeah. And we had to hunt our guts out. We were walking miles and miles every day and getting skunked and getting close and the excitement and disappointment. And finally, so I was young, so when I had a rifle tag, you could hunt all three, right? As a Utah. Uh-huh. As a Utah youth. Youth general, you can do that. Yep. Yep. So I hunted all through the archery hunt, snuck on a buck a little smaller than him, got like 50 yards away, and just shot right over his back.

And then muzzleloader hunt, nothing happened. And rifle hunt comes and goes. And it was the last day of the rifle hunt. It was actually the Saturday, but we don't hunt on Sundays, so it was the last day for us. And we saw him in the morning sneak up into the trees, and so we knew he'd be right there the whole day. And so it was about 11 o'clock. It was late. This is it, man. The last day. Yeah. It was late in the morning. It was 11 o'clock. We knew he was in those trees, so we just pulled out for a day because we didn't want to blow our shot. We knew he'd be more active in the evening. And so we pull out. We come back that night. We're on top of a knob, and we're glassing, glassing, glassing for hours. And I'd hunted so hard that year, and I was pretty young, so I was pretty disappointed. How young? How young? We weren't even. I was 15. Perfect. And I was just sitting on that knob.

The sun was starting to go down. It was starting to get to where I could see the end of the tunnel, and I was super disappointed. And my dad's glassing, and all of a sudden he goes, okay, I got him. And he's a mile away, and we got an hour, maybe, to get him. And so I remember we had the two-way garments. We had the garments. He puts a waypoint on his garment. Says this is about where the deer is? This is where our stuff is because we were running. Oh, okay. And so we take off sprinting, and he is. So we're on top of a knob. There's a ridge, and then there's another hill, and he's on that hill. So we got to go down and up, and then our plan of attack was it was a rifle hunt, so we were going to get on the other side of this ridge and hopefully be within shooting distance, shoot across to the hill and get him on the – as he's circled around that hill.

Well, we get down to the bottom, and he's going to kill me for telling this, but we get down to the bottom. These are the guys I like. We get down to the bottom. Throw Paul under the bus. And he's got his gun. It's a big old .300, and he's kind of holding it because it bounces on his shoulder, and so he's holding it, and he's got both of his hands behind his back holding it as he's sprinting. And he hits a tree root and just boom, boom, and bounces. Face plant. Yeah, and he literally bounced. He was running so fast at the bottom of his – and he's going to kill me. It doesn't even catch your phone. Yeah, but anyway, so I stop, and he's like, keep going. You know where it's at. He says, keep going. Keep going. I'm going to put my teeth back. I'm going to fight my teeth. He took his scope cover off, and he made sure he didn't just crack his scope. And so I keep running.

This is how I got ahead of him and how I ended up eventually getting the buck. So I top out over that, and he hits my radio, and he says, pull out your shooting sticks, have them down because I had that Harris bipod. He says, pull them out, have them down so when you see him, you can just sit because he knows we're coming. He's going to be running or, you know, moving or whatever. And so I get up over that ridge, and I'm gassed. I'm just breathing like no other. And I pull out my bipod. But I have it so I can just sit down and put it on there. And my dad catches up to me, and I'm sitting behind this big cedar tree just as this ridge starts to go down. I let my dad catch up so we could kind of poke out and see this hillside at the same time. I remember I peek around this cedar tree, and I can just see him. He's walking fast. He's not running. This buck. Yeah, he's walking fast.

He's not running or anything. But he knows something's up, and he's trying to get out of dodge. And so I just sit down and shoot, and it hits him, and he hunches. And then shoot again, and it hits him again, and he lays down. And after everything was over, we're kind of sitting there. And my dad says, well, I don't know if he's dead dead. We waited a little while, but it was getting dark. So we had to do something because we wanted to get it all finished up this day. And so this is the only part of this story I don't like. I can tell you're kind of squirming over there. He is squirming. I hate this part of the story because it's not something I like to do. But, you know, it just happens sometimes. So he says, I'll go over there and make sure he's dead. You stay up here where you've got a good, clear view. If he jumps up, hit him again.

And so my dad walks down into the bottom and starts hilling up the other side. And the deer picks his head up, and I radio my dad. I'm like, stop. He just picked his head up. I'm going to shoot him. And my dad goes, hold on. I think I can get him, or I think I can see him. And so my dad pulls up his binoculars, and the deer just takes off. And it is like, and he takes off, and we got 15 minutes of daylight left. You're like, Dad, why did you have to look at him? I know, and he said the same thing. And this is when you never listen to your dad again. I shouldn't have radioed. I should have just ended it. I shouldn't have radioed. But you know what? I was young. Hey, you're sick. Yeah. I didn't want to do something wrong. And so, you know, I wanted the clearance first. So he takes off, and it's dark. And we got headlamps, and we're looking for blood.

And we're like, well, we're just going to keep pushing him. So, you know, what do you do besides leave it and come back in the morning? And anyway, so we get, we round up. Church must have been empty in Minersville that day because we round up everybody we can think of to go look for this deer. And we come back out the next morning, and he ran maybe 50 yards and died. He just piled up right there. So, yeah. Just one last adrenaline push. Just one last adrenaline push, and he was done. Yep. And so, anyway, we find, I'm 100 yards away, and they walk up on him, and they're screaming. And I remember as soon as they started screaming, my heart just dropped, and I just start running. And I get up there, and one of my dad's buddies has a video, and I'm just like, holy cow, holy cow, just screaming. That's awesome. It was awesome. Might need to find a piece of that video. I'll have to ask around.

It's old, speaking of technology. It's only seven years old. It's like seven years old. That's a long time for a video, to us, Chase. That's still on digital. We're not even talking tapes. What I love is when he says, when I was young. I feel like an iPhone 4. You're 22, boss. Yeah, the revolution's way bad. A young hunter. Yeah, it was only 720p. Yeah, no. I don't know what that number means. Hey, the bloody hell talking. We don't even know what you mean either. But that's an awesome story. Tin cup. I like it. Yeah. Or tin cam. Tin cam. Sorry. I mean, yeah. I like it. Good buck. Good work. Now I know the story. Good job. I like it. I like stories from you guys. It's awesome. All right. Well, Bronson, we've been plenty. Hopefully in a week from now, we've got good stories of draw results. We've been gone long enough. Plenty. A little shout out to Phone Scope.

Hey, Logan, why don't you do a Phone Scope shout out? You know them guys from Beaver County. Yeah. Of course. I love Phone Scope. Really good scope adapter for your phone. We don't leave home without it when we go hunting. So definitely something you need. Check them out at PhoneScope.com. They got some awesome examples of what their hardware can do on Phone Scope's Instagram. So check that out. Awesome. Yeah. You can go at Phone Scope. P-H-O-N-E-S-K-O-P-E. Misspelled. I always like it. Beaver County misspells their stuff, right? That's right. Pretty awesome. I also want to throw a shout out to Red Rock Precision. Super good guys in the industry. Custom rifles. Incredible. I've been building sheep rifles for years. Of course, we use them to kill deer, elk, and anything else that comes in front of us. Get a hold of them at 801-425-6574 at redrockprecision.com.

So, Wyatt, did I say anything, mispronounce something or anything like that? No, I think it was good. You saw him flinch. I saw him flinch. No, I think it was good. I think he just – you probably just wanted to say something. Yeah, it's just been in here for a minute, so just get a little – He's sick of it. Wyatt, you got a quick story for us? I don't have a quick story. Tell us a guided client story. Gosh, I don't – Somebody that spit one too many seeds on your floorboard. Maybe one day we'll call up a client or two. I've got some good ones in mind we can call up. You do? Yeah. That'd be awesome. Let's do that. So, let's do that next week while we're – or in a week or so. We've got some dry results coming out, and all we've got to do is look forward to hunts and talk about hunts gone in years gone by. We like it. All right.

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Absolutely. Awesome hunts. So, mule deer. What else? Musk ox. Musk ox, mule deer, brown bear. Musk ox in July. Yeah. That's my kind of musk ox. I'm just saying it right now. Me too. And they're archery. They're killing almost all archery hunters. Yeah. I mean, giants, like 90% booners. Big bulls and no snow. I mean, they're rewriting the record book. They should change that. No snow. Or something. I don't know. Something. I agree. If you're interested, hit Devin. Devin at epicoutdoors.com. D-E-V-I-N at epicoutdoors.com. Hopefully they're available, but they may not go fast. They were just emailing out hours ago. And if you're looking for something specific, call me. I mean, stuff comes across my desk every day. We ain't working with janky outfitters, Devin. I mean, if there's somebody that... I'm pretty picky. We all are. If they're looking for something, you can definitely help them.

We have, generally, these emails can go out weekly or bi-weekly. Well, bi-monthly, I guess. Every other week or every week, depending. Kind of depends on the schedule and the email blast we've got going. So, all right. That's enough. I agree, Wyatt. We've been in here just a little bit too long. Back to the sticking out. All right. We'd like to thank all of our sponsors here at Epic Outdoors. For top-of-the-line hunting, clothing, and apparel in every environment, visit UnderArmor.com. We'd like to thank Under Armour for being our title sponsor and making this podcast happen. Visit our website, EpicOutdoors.com, for discount codes to Under Armour hunting apparel. Handcrafted, quality, precision rifles from start to finish. Red Rock Precision is one of our sponsors, and many of our staff uses Red Rock rifles. Visit RedRockPrecision.com to find out more.

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