EP 292: Early Season Unwind, Talkin' Wyoming and Utah Mule Deer

Anything to do with Western big game.

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, we got Cash and Wyatt here too. Logan, of course you're always here. Always here. How's your hunts going, Logan? Oh, it's going good. Trying to get close on some bucks, but haven't made nothing happen yet. Yeah, welcome to archery. Yes. The only person I know that kills opening day is Wyatt. And Adam, both. Well, that's twice in my life in whatever, 30 something years, 35 years. Geez. With a bow. Crazy. I have to grow up to be a little bit more like them. The first one when I was 14, but the first thing with antlers died that day. I put away the bow, now I'm into the muzzleloader. Have you blown any smoke yet, boss? Oh, no. I mean, decided in. One month deep. I got a question for you. Oh, yeah. With a muzzleloader, how many days of hunting do you feel comfortable leaving a charge in your barrel before you just want to blow it out? I don't know.

It's a good question. So, like. Rain, shine, moisture, everything. I'm pretty particular in where I'm hunting sucks. So, sometimes I don't even take it out of the truck because it's raining. And you don't want to have a problem. Yeah. I'm going to glass him up, bet him, I'm going to walk back to the truck, get the gun, figure it out. You know what I mean? Have you ever thought that? Like, once in a while, like, I don't want to go out. Like, the rain is violent. It's violent. These last storms we've had come through have been unbelievable. So, have you, since whatever Sunday, Monday when this hunt started, have you, is it the same charge in there? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, we're only three, four days in. Yeah. But I just. It's fine. It's fine. It might be in there a while. I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't go. I'm not a fan. Like, you. Okay. Here's another question for you, Adam.

So, you shoot that one charge. Do you swab it? Or do you just reload it dirty? Because they say, you know. Load it dirty. Yeah. If it's literally. You probably have it shot already. Fouled it once and then loaded it, right? No. I shot it and cleaned it. I swabbed it and then loaded it. And that's the end of it. Clean. Yeah. Okay. It's pretty accurate that way. Yeah. But I'm. But it's also bullet to bore very tight. Yeah. I'm resizing the bullets. The more you. Like, it's tight. The more you shoot, the harder it is every time to load. I only. Oh, yeah. Four max. And after that, you're breaking ramrods. Okay. Yeah. I've had muzzle loaders like that. You turn it upside down and hit it against a rock to get it seen. Yeah. So the other thing is, if you load it dirty, can't you in your mind just picture the barrel deteriorating from the powder? Yeah. If you keep it a while. But I mean.

It's hard on stuff. Yeah. I think it takes a little while. Yeah. You're going to be done in three weeks. It's over. I know. My old MK85. I mean, it finally pitted the barrel out so much you could look down the barrel and it was. You could see the pitting and then pretty soon it just lost its accuracy. I had to retire it to the grave. But then I walk into John's office and he'll have a muzzle loader that won't have been cleaned for a year, year and a half. And it's fine. With the most corrosive powders. Both. No, no man. Residues and stuff. No, no man. Yeah. And it's fine. Smoke full powders. We can pick on John because he's not here. We can't pick on Wyatt because he walked in.

Anybody that's here. Devin. Devin's not here. Devin's not here. Josh. Josh. Yeah. Josh would be a good one. They're ripe. They're ripe for the picking. They're ripe for the picking. What do we have on him? What should we talk about? He's usually pretty quick with a comeback. He is. He'll crush it. Definitely does. Yeah, there. He thinks about things and saves it. He's the one guy that saves the memes. Like, he'll save them. Anyways, there's some pretty exciting things going on. Hey, how about Utah? The technology committee finally coming out with a recommendation on muzzle loaders. Huh? Yeah. What'd they vote on, Jason? Well, they're voting to have it open sites. Go back. Open sites. Not just go back. Even prior. Eliminate one powers, even. Yeah. So not even going back. Which I think it's awesome. It's fine. I think it's awesome.

They're, you know, it's been a long time coming because there's so many opinions. I mean, you know what they say about opinions and probably can't even say it on the podcast. But, I mean, they're just, everybody's got one. And so it's hard. You can't make everybody happy. But, anyway, there you have it. They're going to come out with that recommendation. To the Wildlife Board. And we'll see. That's going to go through the rack and the board this November. And then if the Wildlife Board and racks, you know, decide they like it enough that they can approve it, then off you go, you know. So, anyway, good job. Good job to the technology committee. We're all behind you. You know, Nevada, of course, they're still open site. Never have changed. And New Mexico changed to open site. Iron sites only. Colorado's always been. Colorado is. So, we've kind of got an industry standard, really.

You know, a primitive weapon. We're talking about primitive weapons.

At what point don't they become primitive? That's probably multiple power scopes and turrets. You know what I mean? Especially with the technology behind the muzzleloaders now. Yeah. Bullets. I mean, you're not shooting a round ball. No. We shot those when we were kids. Oh, yeah. You could reshoot the ball after. I know. We found one out of a Buck Aaron shot when he was 14. It had the perfect little circle on top from the metal round watch hitting it, but it was perfectly round. It made me mushroom. You could shoot the round ball again. That was pure lead. Pure lead. Pure lead. What is lead? What's bad about lead paint? All I know. I used to put little lead pellets in my lip when we were hunting birds when we were kids. I used to suck my pellets and BBs. I'd carry them in my mouth. And I'm fine. But pellets. I'm not looking for a place to die right now. Because they're loose.

You don't want to be trying this for a pellet. You just. Yeah. You always have them in your mouth. I put pellets in my mouth. Always had them in your mouth. I mean, this lead thing is just. It's garbage. Nobody knows what. Found to cause cancer in California. Yeah. Something like that. Exactly. Like everything else. Condors. Only in California. Only affects condors. It does not affect humans. It doesn't. So anyway. There you have it. So yeah. We're going back to that. And remember even the patches you used on those round balls. Like if you went a certain grain. Yeah. Like you went across grain with the patch. Then you always go across. And it had to be perfect circular. If you had it. If you seeded it with too much of the patch on one side of the barrel versus the other. It would shoot different. You had to have that patch perfectly centered. That's right.

And the ball right in the middle. Did you use double F or triple F?

You know. Double F, triple F G's. Generally double F. I don't know. Nothing fast about that process. No. No. That's the reason to this day. My dad hasn't done with muzzleloader since those days. Because of those days. Really? And they used to have wooden ramrods too. Oh yeah. They were wooden that break. Yeah. Pretty sketchy. They'd have brass ends. They are sketchy. But they would be wood in the middle. There's not. It's amazing more people aren't dead. Yeah. From using primitive weapons. Or a serious injury to their hand from trying to push that wooden ramrod down. Anyway. Yeah. Pretty fun stuff. I'm just. It's going to be interesting. I'm proud of them. Hey. These guys did good work. It was a long time coming. And it's not easy to come out with recommendations like that. Because your head's on the chopping block if you do it. Or if you don't do it. Or everybody's got these.

Of course these opinions and whatnot. So there you have it. Right? At least we're moving on. And you know. I guess they'll have this technology committee. It's kind of in place for who knows how long. Forever. Until the next invention comes out. And then they have to address it. Because let's face it. Within three to five years there's new stuff we're not even using right now. They're still addressing centerfire rifles and a few things like that. Because people are wound up over long range hunting and whatnot. And quite frankly we're hypersensitive as a community. As a hunting industry. When you've got long term droughts and then winter loss. No deer. Things like that. Yeah. You're just angry. Right? So I think it's admirable that the hunters are looking at themselves. Not only are we going to blame game and fish. Right? I mean of course we aren't.

But it's easy to blame game and fish and want to have different management styles. But then the hunters are looking at themselves saying are we too effective? What can we do to see an older age class buck during the times of drought? And winter loss and things like that. So I do want to throw a little shout out to these quick loads. Okay. Cool. They're legit. Did you see them? I've seen them. Yeah. It doesn't sound like you've used them much. You've got the initial charge in your gun. I used them at cash. I was at the range and cash was there. Okay. At the range. Oh yeah. Gotcha. Yep. Good. Dude. I can vouch. My problem is I have the old reloads, you know, whatever. Quick loads. They're green and they don't. They don't hold enough powder with the sabbat and bullet. They don't have enough room. Because of technology and whatever, we got guns that are 14 pounds that'll shoot 122 weighted

grains. We used to do like 70 to 100 volume grains. Yeah. Back in the day. 90, 70. I did 70. Shot a spike elk in the heart. Thought it was amazing. You know what? Volume. Yeah. Volume. Which is probably like 50 grains weighed or something. I don't know. It's probably not even fair to the animal. Not even legal. It doesn't have the sight of a lion or whatever. Luckily, it was a spike. I remember I killed my lion with some freaking muzzle. But I thought I did something, you know, at 50 yards. So anyway, so these reloads, I haven't kept up with the capacity that you need. You need a legit quick load. Yeah. And anyway, this Cedar Mountain quick loads here in our hometown, these are the best quick loads I've had my hands on. They're unbelievable. They're somewhat watertight. You can load them. It'll take the full load if it's a Magnum. They make a couple different versions.

100, 120 grains of, we're talking like weighed Blackhorn, right? Weighed Blackhorn 209. And then the long bullets, they're 300 grain Parkers. I mean, long plus a little felt patch. I mean, it'll hold that.

It's pretty awesome. And then you know how we all have muzzle brakes now, right? So you can stick it in the barrel and then twist it up. And that, it's got a kind of a three-inch funnel, two-and-a-half-inch type funnel already. It doesn't all go out in the ports. Dude, it's, I mean, he's thought of everything. Makes them right there at his place. It's pretty awesome. I'm just saying, Cedar Mountain quick loads, if you need something, I don't know, reach out to them. You can find them online. It's impressive. I'm not going to lie. And so, yeah, you know, that's, I guess, my gear upgrade for the year. How about that? All right. Gear or not? So, anyway, all right, Bronson, why don't you? Well, one thing, maybe we do a quick shout-out for Arizona. Wyatt, maybe you want to do it. We came out the magazine about two weeks earlier than normal, mainly because of Arizona's, it's

the fall draw, which is what? Bison, bull bison, and it's got turkey, heavy. What else, Wyatt? Yeah, bison, turkey, javelina. For the most part. Usually do about the 10th or 15th of October. Second Tuesday. Now it's the first Tuesday. Now it's the third. Third of October. Moved it right up. So, anyway, we've got, they've only got, they've reduced it from like three bull bison hunts down to two, so there's two options, you know? Yeah. And, anyway, we covered it in the publication of our- EMAG's online. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And we've sent out an email alert. Invariably, somebody will miss it. Just because of the change, people get really ingrained, and we had that happen on the deer. One particular guy just missed it, and, you know, we've, no matter how much email and- Well, and that's why that tentative draw schedule in the magazine, when we come out with it,

we, it's only, it's only accurate up till the time the state announces their deadlines. Right. And so, if you keep that in January and keep it posted up there and never look at it again, you're going to have a problem. And that's kind of what happened in that instance. So, you know, then they come out with the deer drawn. It was a week earlier, whatever it was this year. And we still come out with the MAG, the EMAG, emails, text alert. We always do a text alert. Yeah. And, you know, here for the Epic Outdoors members, obviously, if you're listening and you're not a member, we do do that for our members, so. Yeah. But, anyway, it's open right now, right? Why, you can apply. Right, yeah. Up until October 3rd. Go get it done. Get your bison application in or do a point only if you do that. Yeah, 11.59 Arizona time. Yeah, 11.59 October 3rd. So, pretty awesome.

Anyway, we've covered all the, you know. That's all the other stuff we've kind of covered. There was some interesting information, actually, that we ended up including in there, including, like, salt locations and a few things like that that are. Really? That are online. Yeah, on Arizona's website. They have legality regarding that? Well, they do in other species. Not them. Yeah, because they want them dead. Well, I mean, it's just, yeah, they come out of the park and they hit salt and they, you know, and they generally come out when it's hot and dry and need water. Yeah. Because you have water, man-made water outside of the park. And so, you know, and then they've got these salt locations that they're so used to hitting and stuff. And anyway, Arizona published the GPS coordinates of that kind of stuff. So, pretty interesting. It would help a guy, you know.

Well, it's the only way they can kill those bison is if they leave the park. Yeah. They did the one year. Yeah. What was that? Whatever that. A little smash and grab. Whatever. Probably. Got everybody in a frenzy. Really got quiet during and after that hunt. I don't know. My guess is some stuff happened they didn't want. Talked about. Got files everywhere. I don't know. It did get real quiet. It did? Silent. After that year, they opened it up. We can't even get the people we know. They had a tag. We know personal people. That won't talk. They've got their own gag order. Protected. It's true. Probably court order. It feels that way. Probably court order. It feels that way. It does. I mean. So, I don't know. It's as if the hunt never happened. It's as if the feds are looking into something. I don't know. It's just eerie. It's eerie. I don't know.

They were the feds were the ones that put the hunt off. I know. But, like, it's like, they're like, we made a mistake here. I don't know. There's carnage. There's. I don't even want to talk about that. Blood, carnage. Yeah. Calves balling for their mommas. Come on. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't know. They're part people. Anyway. So, pretty awesome. We also have some point only deadlines. We've got Montana, Oregon, Wyoming. If you're looking to, you know, grab some points, then obviously, you know, everybody in Wyoming, if you want a point for deer elk and antelope, you need to do it and get after it. Montana, of course, you know, if you didn't apply and you want to grab points, you can. And Oregon, same thing. Normally, people apply in Oregon for points during the application period.

But, nevertheless, there's an option to do that as well if you kind of feel the super urge to hunt that state one day. I actually liked hunting Oregon. I hunted it. We hunted it quite a few times there in my earlier years. And it was fun. It was a good time. All right. What else are we going to talk about, Wyatt? What have you been up to? Oh, not a lot. I'm just chilling in the office right now, making sure everyone's points are bought. And Arizona deadlines, Matt, staying close to home. Why? Staying close to the phone. Yeah. What do you got going, Wyatt? What's going on? Oh, geez. Well, I'm going to have my first kid, so. Yeah. I didn't plan it, you know, exceptionally well. What do you mean? It's not bad now. Hunting season. Yeah, sometimes you don't get to choose everything. Think about this, though. That's true, too.

I'm going to paint this in a different picture because your wife occasionally listens to these. She will listen. Your son. She occasionally listens. She will. Just, like, be careful because we don't want to have to edit stuff. No, I'm not. I'm not. But you're going to have a son in mid to late September. And think of the hall pass you're going to get that time. I've got to take Junior. I've got to go hunting for his birthday. Yeah. You're always going to get a hall pass. That's a good point. True. That is a good point. It's not like an anniversary in September. I like it. I'm going to buy him a hunt for his birthday. Anniversary is not going to. Boys are going to be boys. We're going to hit the hills. Yeah. I mean. This is his birthday hunt. Mom's not going to get between father-son time. They're not. Or daddy-daughter. It doesn't matter. You never know. That's in the future, though.

Now I've got to look forward to the baby phase. The next two days. Where I hear there's not a lot of sleep. Okay. Well, there is that. Keep in mind, I do wonder if she thinks you're not capable of feeding and cleaning the kid properly. Well, I guarantee she thinks that. And so I don't think you're going to have to do much. In other words, she's not going to. She don't trust Wyatt. You're going to give Wyatt the reins. I'm going to give Wyatt my firstborn to take care of for one night? No. I don't have a lot of faith in myself, to be honest. I can't even cook a meat pie. Pot pie. Yeah. Pot pie or a freaking pizza. I can't start babysitting until I can eat a meal from a sack. That's basically what I know. Whenever you can eat a burger and fries. When this kid can wipe its own rear end and make a sandwich while we're going to be hitting the hills. Until then, Carly, it's all yours.

Well, it's pretty fun. But I know you're ready. I mean, did you decide on a name? There has been a name. I thought there was a couple names potentially. Yeah. But now you've got to see. You do got to kind of see the kid. I can't release it. You know, I can't. Oh, I'm not asking you to. I'm just wondering. How about a middle name? Is it going to go for Wyatt? What? I believe my name will be the middle name. She's allowing it? I like it. I believe so, as of right now. But it's also hunting season, so I'm not going to fight her on a lot because I've got to pick my battles right now. So this kid could be named whatever. It could be Ray Charles. Ray Charles.

Well.

That's exciting. Fun stuff. Fighting times. Yeah, we're excited for you. When are you going to be able to leave the house and go on your next hunt? Oh, well. Hopefully by late September because I think you've got some plans, right? Yeah. Hopefully very shortly after.

When mom and kid are healthy and settled. Yeah. All goes well by the end of the month. That is the one thing about having one in September is the actual year you're having it could be a little bit. Oh, yeah. Touch and go. Yeah. But from thereafter. If it hits the ground running and everything's good and all systems are a go, you're pretty sound. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That'll be the case. You'll be interested. That'll be the case. It depends. You know, guys I talk to, they're like, yeah, you could probably leave that soon. But if you talk to a girl and say, hey, I'm going to Alaska that soon after, I mean, it's not good. How's your wife handle that? What's she think about that? Yeah. And all her friends are your worst enemy. Yeah. That's what I found. Don't talk to your friends for a minute because they're not us. You know what I mean?

Yeah, you guys are a better influence on me. They're removed from the situation. They're too far from the situation. That's right. They don't know. We do things different here. Cash, how's your hunts going? Good. I actually haven't hunted for myself hardly at all. Oh. I've been helping a lot. I've been hunting quite a bit, I think. Some of the biggest bulls in the state even. Yeah. Or at least. And helping people with good tags. Yeah. Spent the first few days of the archery hunt helping one of my family members that has a limited entry elk tag. Very good. Archery. Archery. Still going right now. Archery's still going, yep. And it's been a grind for him. The rut's just slowly getting going. It's been, you know, really spotty, not much going on. But hopefully this little cold front coming through will kick it in later this week. It should be good. But we'll see. Hope so. High hopes.

Is he pretty much hunting every day, even like today, this morning? No, not every day. Kind of going to work. Yeah, kind of in spurts. Doing that. Yeah, he kind of planted in spurts so it doesn't get burnt out. Because he's a doctor and so he's obviously busy. Got the last six or seven days though here. It's pretty much just about. Getting about to where you quit work for a minute. Yeah. You got to be there. The last, I think it's the last six days he's got straight off. So that's good. But he's hunting today. Right now he's hunting. That's awesome. I'll go up tomorrow and help for the end of it. He'll probably take a nap right now. Probably. Yeah. Making a sandwich. There you go. Hunting in his dreams right now. That's it. Well, good. And then you're going to do general elk. Yeah. I spent one evening so far and I'll probably spend tonight and that'll be it. That's all the time I got.

Unless he kills quick and then you've got a few days. Does that end 20th? 20th. 19th or 20th. The general. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got a few days left but I'm not holding my breath over it. It's like my kids. You know. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. So and then where do you go? You've got kind of stacked up. For a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Sunday I'll head down to Arizona with my father-in-law. He's got an archery tag down there so he doesn't have anyone else to go with him so I said okay. I guess I'm in. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's good. Awesome. So. Should be fun. I forgot about that one. Yeah. You're. Yeah. We hunted it last year and it was fun. It was actually above our expectations of what we heard so we decided he's going to dump his points and go. Especially on a year like this. Yep. It should be great. It should be fun. That's right. Arizona starts Friday. Yep.

So it'll be a couple days late but it's all right. There's some big animals that have hit the dirt this year with special tags you know governor type tags raffle tags things like that and then also regular draw type tags or landowner tags but I heard just yesterday there was a big old bull in Nevada kill like 434. Wow. Jeez. Crazy. Yeah. Just. So anyway who knows it'll be you know there's there's just a lot that you know that top end is there but it does seem just slightly slow. Well yeah. For the average. Yeah. Especially for elk and I think I mean deer deer been pretty good. I mean the Utah limited entry deer units were great. I mean we talked about Wyatt's hunt. It was a great year. Poncegont was good. Oak Creek killed a bunch of two hondo type bucks but elk is definitely I mean I took a stint to Colorado for five days and it was pretty rough. Yeah. Quiet. Yeah.

You spent some time clear. I mean clear. I mean I was early. I knew it. I just had time. We killed the sheep and I said I've got a week to go give her heck and yeah and luckily those Colorado archery tags are like 39 days or something so I'll get done with some other things and head back. So yeah that's pretty pretty awesome. So yeah there's a lot going on. I know Devin spent some time in Nevada is kind of scouting for a tag that he's going to grind on a little bit later potentially and then he's also headed to Colorado for elk and so there's a lot of tires being worn. Right now there's a lot. Yeah we're here this week and the next day or two and I don't know. I'm wondering if next week if anybody's here. Literally. I mean. Wyatt's probably going to be gone. Yeah. We hope. And then. We'll see. Jason you're hunting deer. Yeah I'm hunting but I'll.

I'm hunting sheep and hunting elk and you're hunting elk and Devin's going to be hunting elk and Josh has got kids with a deer tag and a youth elk. I mean. Youth elk starts this weekend. Yeah I mean it's. Oh yeah it does. I don't know who's going to be here. Oh I'll have to come in a day or something here and there. They'll be wanting to but don't let that deter you from calling them buying some optics or something. We've got. I do think we ought to talk about the optics just a little bit like I've been using the BTX. I used it this morning like it's pretty it's. Do you got the 115 on there now? Yeah. Do you change your mind a little bit? Well I mean. It's both. I would say it's just slightly sharper. Slightly sharper. Because of the lighter. Yeah. Is it light. Not lighter in weight but lighter. Edge to edge clarity like the edges. Gather more light. Yeah.

But the edges aren't crisp crisp like the bulk of the center. But it's good. I mean you're 115 whatever. It's giant but it's worth. Yeah. I've got it on there. I like it. That's you know. And then of course you've got your 95 for a straight guy. So that's TS. XTX. And you know. Anyway it's good. But I do. But anyway optics are. They're imperative. Like you gotta. You know what I mean. So anyway if anybody's out there looking for anything. You know. Swaro or Zeiss or Leica. Vortex or anything out there. You know. Devin. He's got that new Vortex range finder. The 4000 GB. Blown away. How awesome it was. Like anyway. He bought one for himself. So anybody out there. It's in that. And that's an affordable piece right there. I think he was just using it for archery and his muzzleloader stuff too. Because he's got you know. Pures. He didn't want to always have to pack his range finder. Right.

The pures are a little lighter. Yeah. So he just wanted a standalone range finder. A standalone range finder. And he. This Vortex 4000 is very affordable. And. And does. Has all the ballistic data in it. Yeah. And capability. He might be using it with rifles too. Haven't asked. Yeah. So. Anyway. Really impressive. I think the speed of the range too. Like. Yeah. You would hit it. And it just. Immediate. So just the speed of it was pretty awesome. And of course we've got the new EL ranges coming out. The 8 and 10 power. 8. 8 by 32. 10 by 32. That are actually smaller than the normal 10 by 42 EL range TA. A lot smaller. And. I mean. An inch. An inch. Yeah. An inch shorter. But it seems like. When you think about an inch. Like. It seems like nothing. Right. Well. Yeah. But they're only 7 inches. So you go 7 to 6. Or whatever it is. Percentage wise. Like that's 15 or 20 percent shorter. But.

And what would you give for an inch of clearance on your truck. Or whatever. You know what I mean. I mean. It seems. One inch is nothing. I want 35. Oh yeah. And hey. 33s aren't enough. Sounds to me like. Yeah. You're going to be top heavy in that little truck. There's a point when. There's a point when. They're just too small to be that tall. It's like this new. I agree. These Chevy ZR2s are coming out with that Bison. Edition. And it's going to be. They're coming 35s from the back. No way. They're not going to be top heavy. Come on. They're just. They're just going to roll it. You're going to roll it. This isn't a 12 inch lift. I would be nervous about it. Come on. If I was you. I'm driving a monster truck. I'm going to draw it. Drive it like that. Usually Chevys are really low to the ground and it's safer. Yeah.

Safer until your pumpkin hits a rock and throws you off the road. Anyway. So yeah. Lots of. Lots of good stuff happening. What else are you guys hearing out there? Just. Everybody's waiting for. I did get a couple pictures of guys from New Mexico. 16A. Killed a couple great bulls. They said it was phenomenal. And that's this early hunt. September 1st to 14th. When they have grass it seems like they rut well. We're not hearing that here in Utah but down there. Yeah. Arizona, New Mexico. Yeah. When they have feet it just seems like it goes early. But anyway. That's. Crazy bugling. Rutting. I mean. One killed like. They had a 390 bull. They were hunting. Killed a couple great bulls. We had our hunt winner too. From Utah Mule Deer. Send in a picture. Killed a great buck. Jeez. Yeah. Another hunt winner. He did actually. Yeah. I know who you're talking about. Yeah. He did.

He killed a great buck. Another hunt winner. Killed a stone. One sheep. Another hunt winner killed like a 70 inch moose. 70. It's a giant. And it's not just 70. You know a lot of times when you picture 70 it's just kind of. It's not built well in the middle. This sucker's big. Wyatt. Yeah. You're a scorer. I mean I know what. Isn't a moose boner like 224 or some weird number. Yeah. 224. Yeah. That thing has to book. I mean that thing is a big. That's. That's a hard thing to do to kill a buck moose. It really is. And it is a giant. And it killed like a 420 caribou or something. Did he? Yeah. Oh. No. No. I'm mixing. I'm mixing stories. You're mixing. That did happen. Yeah. But anyway. Somebody else. Different guy. But anyway. Had a bunch of hunt winners kill good stuff already on these early hunts. So anyway. Yeah. We've had a lot of that.

And then there's also been some pretty good opportunities coming up available at the last minute. We had a couple of Utah elk tags on the CWMU that were pretty impressive. Yeah. That we just sold two days ago. So anyway. If there's. If you're out there and you're needing something or looking for something. You know. Of course we're in the field. But we do check our emails and whatnot. You can always call into the office. And. You know. Our desks will have a few sticky notes on them. That's fine. We get back in the office. We'll try to take care of you and whatnot. So anyway. We always check our emails when we're out in the field. So. Pretty awesome. But yeah. If you're needing optics of any sort. Give us a holler. And we're stocking a lot of things. We're going through a lot of optics too. It feels like. You know. A lot of guys were holding off.

Making sure they kept their tag or whatever. I don't know if it's the economy or whatnot. Kind of waited. To order optics. Yeah. Then there's been a huge flurry. Big flurry here recently. But we're well stopped. So if you've been putting it off. Find yourself able to. Give us a call. Hey. I've got a sticky note on my desk right now. Somebody. I don't know. The circumstances. But somebody broke in their truck. Stole their glass. And they need some. They need optics. I mean. Whether it be that. Or Jason. You dealt with a guy in the field. That broke. Broke a pair of optics. And needed a pair. You did. You had delivered one. Good friend up there. In Nevada. Yeah. And he ended up. You know. We talked about getting some 12s anyway. And his 15s ended up. Getting tweaked. And. And. Yeah. And delivered a pair. Yeah. Anyway.

I'm sure we'll get paid for him at some point. But anyway. That's. Hey. Whatever. We're. He's a good guy. I wouldn't have done it. And. Just. You know. We've got him if you need him. So. I'm just wondering. Should we. Should we call Clint. He's got a moose tag. And then he's also got a. A deer tag up there in Wyoming. Just kind of. You know how Wyoming's gone through. Tough winter and whatnot. Kind of on everybody's mind. That's about to start. September 15th. What's that? Two days. With the rifle. Yeah. No. That's tomorrow. Wait. Friday. Yeah. Pretty crazy. So. Hit him up. Let's give. Let's give Clint a call. I'm not sure if he'll answer him. It's been long enough. He doesn't. He's not spooky right now. Probably. He probably doesn't even know what's about to happen.

Hello. Hey. What are you doing? It's been a while since we've had you on the Epic Outdoors podcast. Are you in a blind? I feel like we need to whisper. You're talking quiet. Are you in mid-stock right now? No. Oh. You in church?

What are you doing, Clint? I'm sitting at home. Oh. Getting ready to go get my mail. Oh. Okay. Well, we were just wondering, you know. Well, I had heart surgery yesterday, dude. You did? I can't do nothing for like five days. I forgot. Dude. How did I forget? Jason. He's been warning me. How insensitive. No, I'm not. How insensitive. Guys are guys. Clint, how you doing? Clint, what? I would not have called you today, but since we have you on the phone. What? I mean, are you all right? I didn't know about this. You didn't know? What did you have? Clint and I have talked about it every other day leading up to this point, but I forgot it was today. No wonder he's quiet. He has no breath, Carter. Well, we don't want to make you laugh too loud, but I think, can we divulge your medical records right here on the Open Air Podcast? I don't know if we need to do that.

There's a lot of HIPAA laws that I don't want to be violating. Well, I wanted to talk, get your take on Wyoming.

Wyoming? Kind of your experience up there. Of course. For deer, elk, what are you talking about? Moose and deer and just what your take is. You know, after the winter loss, of course, it's on people's minds. We got the rifle for deer, getting ready to get started. And just kind of get your take on it. I spent some time in Wyoming this year. Some high country stuff. Didn't see what I thought I should be seeing. I was seeing probably, I'd say, half or less of what I should have been seeing. I'd almost say the areas that I'm used to looking at, close to 70% type die off. Yeah. I'm sure there's still big bucks there, you know, but that's just kind of an average heel. And I've talked to a lot of other people that have similar. Some people say 80%. Some people say 50%. Everybody's a little bit different. I'm sure the die off was, you know, it's, I think it's going to take a long time for

it to bounce back. Not a whole lot of fawns out there either on the landscape. But there are a few good bucks being taken here and there. Yeah, I'm sure there are. I mean, there was, there was some of the bucks that survived. A good chunk of them were mature bucks and they were set to be really good bucks this year. So. But then they kind of have in the back of your mind that, you know, body condition and stress, you just feel like it may even, maybe affect their antler growth, right? Yeah. I've heard that antler growth hasn't been affected. A lot of people have said that they were pretty, pretty slow. They're behind. And, um, a lot of people that were seeing repeat deer that I talked to, they were saying that the bucks seem to be, um, horn growth, not as good as it was last year. Yeah. It was not going down and I'm sure it was just stress on them. Yeah.

Um, and that was, and that's, I mean, I was, I was in G, I'm not, you know, and I've talked to a lot of guys in H too, but that's that whole. Yeah. Um, part of kind of Wyoming, Mecca. Well, they all, yeah, they, I mean, they winter from big piney to Colorado line. And I mean, they winter such a huge area that uniformly they don't die the same everywhere. And then they disseminate throughout such a giant summer range. It's hard to isolate. Like, you know, where's it really going to be any different or better than. Yeah. And so, um, I don't think the moose got hurt as bad. Um, I've been, I spent some time up there. I got a moose tag. I've been a moose hunt. Look mostly scouting moose with a bow in my hand. Mostly. Yeah. It's awesome. It's. But you're seeing, you're seeing some good bulls. Yeah. I've been seeing some good bulls. Um, there's, um, but in those same areas.

I'm looking for moose. Occasionally used to see deer. I've seen, I'm seeing like nothing for deer. Like no deer. Not even one deer. I saw like two, two points and like 10 does. And that's like a week. It was like, it was, now this is kind of, you know, more of a lower elevation stuff and it's not your classic. Yeah. It's probably more of a mid range or winter range. But on a normal year, you would have seen 40 deer. Yeah. Normally there are some resident bucks that hang out in these places and you'd expect to see them after you kind of grind through a lot of it. Yeah. And not seeing any. So pretty rough out there. Yeah. Pretty interesting. Pretty crazy. Well, good. Have you heard anything about Northern Utah and some of that, some of that stuff? Um, I haven't heard much of Northern Utah. Um, heard it, I think it was real similar to Wyoming as far as what the winter tail was

supposed to be. I haven't talked to anybody that's actually hunted it. Um, some of the places I've been in central Utah, um, I'm seeing bucks. Um, in fact, I'm seeing better deer on some general season, Utah stuff than I am in Wyoming. So I got a general season, Utah deer tag, and I got a, that G tag in Wyoming and, um, I'm laid up right now. So I'm not going to be up in G for the opener on the 15th this week, but, um, I don't know if I want to go anyway. I think I have a better chance of killing a buck on general season, Utah. Yeah. Spending time scouting down here versus hunting up there. And I, yeah. From, if I just went off based off of scouting, I'm going to be going to Utah before I go to Wyoming when it comes to deer right now. Okay. At least with the general season tag that I have. So that's what, that's what we, that's where I'm at, which doesn't sound, you know,

you got a Wyoming tag that takes what, eight plus points or something to get. And you got a, uh, over the counter, not over the counter, but kind of an easier to draw general. So very easy to draw general, like every, you know, every few years you can get. And I'm seeing better stuff on the general season, Utah this year. Did you hear that? I'm sure it's all winter related. Did you hear that the Utah technology committee come out with the recommendation of open site muzzles, open site muzzle loaders? Did they recommend it? Yeah, they recommended it. Just wondering what your take is. Eh.

I would prefer scoped, but at the same time, what I don't like is I just keep changing it. I have to have a different muzzle loader for every state. It feels like. Yeah, I got three. Well, now you're Nevada. Want to work in Utah. Yeah. Now you're Nevada. Want to work in Utah. Clint, you could sell one on eBay and take that cash and bank it with an interest rate, put it in a CD. Now all of a sudden you can buy two or three guns down there. But you can only sell it to someone in Arizona. Yeah, it could be your Arizona gun. What about Kansas? Kansas? Okay. Yeah. Okay. See, did New Mexico just change theirs too? Yeah, it's iron side. Yeah. But these guns will still work. You just pull the scope off. It's no big deal. Yeah. I shot mine. Cash watched me. Oh, yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. So my last one, though, I got like a CVA. It didn't even come with a front sight on it. That's a problem.

It's meant to be a scope gun. Those are the ones you glue a B. B to the front. I do. Sell it to your neighbor before the law is enacted. Before the law is enacted. I didn't think that. I actually think it more dare will survive. I'm actually okay with back and back some technology. Well, my thing is everybody says, well, the percent kills the same. It doesn't matter. And my point is you're a human. You know if you have the open sight laying up against the wall and a turreted multiple power scope muzzler that's well dialed, which one are you going to grab? You know you're more effective. I'm going to use the most effective technology that's available to me. Right. And I do feel like, take Colorado, for example, Colorado muzzleloader. I do feel like that it's just a little bit better than a bow. Yeah. With the loose powder. What's bothering you about Colorado?

So primitive is what you're saying. Yeah. Like a primitive weapon like it's supposed to be. Yeah. And it's what it's supposed to be. You know? And I think more stuff lives. And as a result, I think less people actually want to do it too. Yeah. And I think people are more picky when they're more effective with a particular weapon. You know what I mean? It's easier to be super picky because you know you can roll up the last thing and smash one at 500 yards or something. Yeah. So, and I think so, it might make the muzzleloader tags a little bit easier to get. The muzzleloader season, I think. Now you're going to have to be a muzzleloader hunter to want to go, right? Not just a centerfire rifle gun. You're going to have to be a little bit more, a little bit more emitted to it. You know? And then it's iron sights. I mean, I'm sure you can still use a peep, right? Yeah. Yeah. Iron sights. Peep.

Can you still use pelletized powder? Yeah. They haven't made any. Can you use sabots still? Yeah. I mean, you're just going to have to start dialing in a new system, you know? And people will dial them in and people will still shoot farther than they ethically should shoot. That's just the nature of the game. Open sights are no joke, though. When you go looking down there, downrange, you've got this little post. I mean, you know, it does affect you versus, you know, a 16-power scope. I'm getting older now. You know what? This is like age discrimination. What do you mean? Just because somebody else can shoot with an open sight doesn't mean that they've got to make provisions for you so that you can shoot a muzzle or two. Maybe they're a disability waiver or something. That's when they say, you know, with a rifle, Clint. Yeah, exactly.

If you can't pull a bow back, you shouldn't hunt with a rifle. That's a whole other topic. We could talk about the crossbow exemptions for people. There's just so much abuse. That's all. This is the year, though, too, that Utah's deer plan's up. So imagine a bunch of changes to watch forward. I think there's definitely – and I think part of this, all the change, Clint, we've been talking about this. I know what you think because we talk enough. But, I mean, it's just people are angry with the droughts and winter loss and things like that. We're hypersensitive to anything and everything, and everybody – even the hunters are looking at ourselves saying, well, what can we do to help the deer or whatever, right? And so, anyway, that's good. Have a little reset. Well, if you want to kill big deer, the more you limit stuff, I think the better off. Yeah. The greater chance to find a big deer.

Now, is it going to – going from a scoped muzzleloader to an iron sight muzzleloader, is it going to change the total number of deer we kill? I doubt it. I think we're still going to probably kill the same amount of deer. So from a management standpoint of if you're just looking at straight deer numbers, it's probably not going to change it that much. But I do think it's going to put – Allow a few older deer to live. Older deer on the landscape. Okay. It's going to – people are going to – they're not going to be as picky. People are starting to become opportunistic more. They're like, you know, I'm just going to shoot little bucks now instead of – or the first buck that I get, the first buck I can get underneath 100 yards that's not a two-point. I'm killing it. Yeah, that's right. Now you can pass them knowing you can shoot them at 300 yards the last two days somewhere with the scope.

But the other thing is like – Yeah, you've got some options. Like this new elk structure that we have in Utah, they limited the early rifle to five days because that is the most effective weapon, and they shrunk it from nine to five and cut the tags. And now the muzzleloader is 12 days right behind that, and you can use scopes. It's really – Two rifle hunts. It's a rifle hunt. That's what we do. Now it won't be as much anymore as appealing. Now it won't be, and that elk plan will actually take hold a little better. They might kill a more uniform, you know, splattering of elk instead of – 330 bulls will die instead of everybody holding out for 370. Yeah. I mean, there's some things like that, you know, if you start looking at other species. Some intangibles. Yeah. Instead of just deer hunts like that elk, you've got 12 days with a scoped muzzleloader right now. It's pretty awesome. Yeah.

Hunt. It is. It is. Open site now. This open site will be – You've got to decide if you really want to hunt with that. Yeah. Some people. And I think there is a legitimate argument on these draw odds. Everybody's really concerned that drawing is tougher than it's ever been. And so, you know, for a muzzleloader hunter to be competing with rifle hunters too because, you know, for all intents and purposes, muzzleloaders – It's just a single shot rifle. That's right. Yeah. Right. So, anyway, I think there's some positive things. I think kind of the most positive thing is just the hunter's willingness to look at themselves and curtail ourselves a little bit to try to ease up on the game a little bit, you know. We haven't really cut much. I think the biggest thing too – I still think does – you've got to eliminate all antlerless seasons, okay? Yeah. Just eliminate them.

I know there's some other states. Colorado's big at keeping those. I mean, it's – Just on rangeland for like – If you're trying to build a herd back, there is no reason to shoot antlerless anything. And I know there's some, you know, crop – Landowner conflicts. And there's a whole other can of worms that we'd like to talk about. You know, let's just pony up the money and pay them, you know? Just raise the price of tags, pony up the money, pay them, let them grow more deer for us. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's some landowner tag systems that work better than others. You know, so anyway. And those are more items for discussion coming up, I'm sure. So, well, good. Clint, I'm feeling guilty. Well – I'm feeling guilty. But we called him, so maybe we should just let him get some rest. No, he needed something else to think about. He was going to go get the mail for heck's sakes.

Yeah. Well, that's going to be my activity for the day. I'm going to drive to the post office box and pick up the mail. That's going to be my outing for the day. Clint's a healthy sucker, and he can grind in the hills. And so, yeah, we all have a little whatever. So I told him I can't do anything for two days. They don't really want me to do much of anything really for a week. But day five, I'll probably be back. What have you told your wife? Does she think it's nothing for two weeks around the house? I think – Did they say it was okay for you to go to higher elevations and test out your heart a little bit so you needed to go on a hunt? Solo. It's also secured now. We'll see. I've been doing some solo stuff before this, but – Well, we might as well say it. You had an oblation, right? Yeah. And so these are just electrical impulses. This is kind of a common thing, but it's nervous.

Did your wife have that? Yeah, my wife had it. And she had it since she was born. But it's one of those things that's nerve-wracking for the individual, but for a heart doctor, they're like, this is a walk in the park. Fix that thing. Yeah. Cauterize the herbs. So they just went in there and – they didn't cauterize. They actually froze it. They used like helium and they freeze it now. So he went inside and froze part of the inside chamber of my heart on the muscle there. And then it's supposed to – whatever part makes my heart beat irregular. Fire weirds. That's supposed to be stopped. Yeah. Yeah. Because what I was doing is anytime I get over about 6,000 or 7,000 feet, I basically go into a-fib. My heart, you know, just start beating twice as fast as it was supposed to without moving anything. So when these issues were starting to occur, Clint went in and got checked.

And, of course, the natural thing is that because we like to eat a lot of red meat, you're probably clogged up. Blockage or whatever. He's as clean as a whistle. Like, he's in better shape than most teenagers. And I'm – I'm not that clean. But I don't know the difference. I just keep drinking. I can't dissolve everything. I'm trying. It's trying. It's working. Working its way into some things. It's like Drado. It was a little bypass. Hopefully bypass is not in my future. Yeah. Well. Or something like that. Yeah. Well. Hey, guy. Appreciate it. It's going to hit you guys someday. You know? Everybody. Do you got a set of reading glasses yet, Adam? Oh, yeah. I'm the only one in the office. I'm the only one here. Well, I need them, but I don't wear them. Carter's prep. Don't you go through a year where you struggle and then you finally just have to get them, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I'm in that phase. I'm in the struggle phase. But now I have a pair at home here and I actually need to take a pair of honey. You might get an exemption and be able to use a one-power scope. Come on, Carter. Yeah. What do you mean? So, Adam, do you get like a 1.25 magnification or have you had to move up to the 1.5s yet? I mean, I can't believe we're talking about this. That's all they are. They're just like the 1.25s. Cash is like, what are we talking about? Oh, I know what you're talking about. They're light. My eyes ain't good. Really? No, no. Not that good. They're light. Well, at distance. I can see close good. Oh. You need less. That's fine. You need to get less. Well, that's how I was because I still wear contacts. Yeah. It's like every time I go. Anyway. All right. All right. Okay. All right, guys. You feeling good? Yeah. I think I'm feeling great right now. Good. Good.

A little sore. Sorry to bother you, but hopefully you're back in a week and go kill a moose. You could always do the dishes or something and earn some more privileges. No. You breathe soap or something. Don't give an inch. Don't give an inch. Seven days. That's what I heard. Jobs are jobs. Your job chart's your job chart. My job chart's mine. The mail. He's doing the mail. Just stay in the mail. I can't do the dishes. They're too heavy. That's right. I can't do that. That's right. All right, guys. Okay, sick. Sounds good. Talk to you later. All right. Bye. Bye.

I forgot it was today. You lose track of time when you're in the hills. Oh, you do. And this is the first day back, and I'm like, anyway, we've been talking about it every day. I could tell you he's quiet. I'm like, this is not planned. What's it, Taylor? You're going to play? No. He's trying not to get his heart rate above 63. You know? I don't know. Oh, it's good stuff. All right. Well, interesting stuff. I've heard, you know, talk a little bit about more Wyoming. I have heard this similar thing. People are encouraged about seeing some mature bucks, but overall numbers are no question lower everywhere. Like we all thought they would be. Yeah. Right? We all thought they would be. Yep. All right. Well, a little shout out to St. James Sporting Properties, sjsportingproperties.com. Good dude. Of course, you've heard us talk about him on the podcast.

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We've done that in the past and do it quite often, actually. So, able to do that. Our pricing is as competitive as you're going to find out there. We're $50 for the first species, $100 for two species or more. In that state. In that state. Or, $750 for unlimited states and species. That does not include your non-refundable state fees, of course. Your license fees, everything like that. Are all paid for directly with a client's credit card. We let clients be as involved or uninvolved in this service as they want. They can have guys that go through and kind of finalize their whole year right there. Saying, I want to apply for this state, these particular units. And then that's it. And we just basically file that for them. Have other guys that just kind of give us the criteria of what they're looking to hunt. Or what kind of hunt they're looking to go on.

And we can go through and pick their choices to fit those criteria. So, we can handle about anybody. What I like is just, if I'm personally, y'all are going to be doing my applications at some point. Really? No. Maybe. Wyatt, I called. I would love to plug and play with this. I would trust Wyatt with my life. Come on. He lays awake at night thinking about clients. Particular, specific clients. And it doesn't even, they're not even people that maybe he necessarily knows. But if somebody's looking to do something, Wyatt, he has a knack for it. And he treats it like it's his own. I'm just saying. He sure does. Well, and obviously, you know, Cash is here to help me and you, Deb and Josh. We're all trying to help Wyatt. We're all doing it. But like he alluded, you can be as involved in the unit selection process as you want. Or give us the sets of criteria that you want.

I'm an archery hunter for elk. I'm a rifle hunter for everything else. Here's my size criteria for deer. Here's my size criteria for elk. It doesn't matter. I'm a sheep or a goat. I want to go. Yeah. I'm a self-guided guy. I have heart problems. I've got, you know, you know. Whatever. Whatever. I can't get hunt high elevation over 7,000 or 8,000 feet. Whatever it is. You know, there's a myriad different layers of information that we all store in your personal profile. So that when it comes time, the regulations are finalized. We analyze the units. It's time to apply that state. We use all that information to try to be as aggressive as we can. Because, yeah, there's one thing. We're trying to, we get your applications done and on time. But the real goal is to draw you tags. That's really what we try to do. Is to go use all those things to spread out applicants.

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There's things that he recalls from conversations even just me and him have had that I'm like, how do you remember that? He doesn't forget anything. He doesn't forget anything. Him and I have had some conversations about you. Right. Exactly. And, man, that's so valuable when it comes to people's license application. Because if we have a question, he knows. You know? Well, we have a great system that stores the data, too, for guys like me. Right. That don't have this perfect photographic memory. And so very organized and very personalized. And so, anyway, just a great team as well as, you know, a whole group of gals that just kill it behind the scenes. And so, anyway, it's awesome. And Adam and I are right in the middle of it as well. So, anyway, it's awesome. Just wanted to throw a little shout out. If you're thinking where you need some help or just don't even need it, you just want it.

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And, of course, that will be routed to Wyatt or Cash or myself or Adam or, you know, any number of our staff where it belongs and we'll get you taken care of. And so, also, in this newest publication, there's also some license application forms you can fill out. And, you know, you just fill them out basically and then get them to us and then we'll contact you for the rest of the information. And develop a personalized profile for you and get that conversation started. Easy to do, not a big deal. And now is kind of the time to start thinking about it. People are generally going on a few of the hunts that they got going or maybe even have finished up, you know, and are thinking about next year already. And that's crazy. We're getting those calls, aren't we, Wyatt? Yeah, we are. I've been getting them this week. Guys are, you know, maybe had plans up north planned this year.

They went on a hunt in Alaska or Canada. So, they kept their plans really, you know, points only or something like that down here. And now that just happened and they want to all talk about next year. So, anyway. Don't wait. It happens fast. Yep. It's about to turn over. So, yeah, consider giving us a call. Okay. All right. Okay, everybody. Well, Bronson, I guess that's about it. Yeah. We should wrap it up. Yeah, let's wrap it up. Good luck, everybody, on the hunts. Take good pictures. Send them in to us. And everybody here, too. Good luck, Wyatt. Good luck, Wyatt. Good luck, Wyatt. Naming.

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