EP 303: Plans for 2024, The Utah Hunt Expo and Tough Questions for the Crew

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Aguila! Hey everybody, Jason Carter out of Bronson and the entire Epic Outdoors crew, minus John. John's getting ready for the Expo. By the way, everybody, are y'all ready for the Expo? I've been taking all my... Vitamins? Yes. What's your berry you talk about? What's your go-to? Samucus. Samucus, yeah. Elderberry? Elderberry. Elderberry. Vitamin C through A through Z. I mean, it's just... Lots of supplements. Not that we fear people we come in contact with, but there's just a lot of handshaking and talking that goes on there. So we like to boost our immune system. We got Devin's eyes squared away. Devin, you're not... We figured out you're allergic to some kind of acid. Possibly boric acid. Dang. Yeah. He's been struggling post... Okay, so I would think everybody would be allergic to boric acid, but I guess not. It's good for some people. Not me. Maybe. I don't know. So Devin has...

Recovering from LASIK a month ago. And, you know, the treatment after you have that is to keep your eyes wet with certain drops, some of them which have boric acid. Which is not good if you're allergic to boric acid. He's been a long 35, 40 days. And we have a little local doctor that's like, hey, by the way, try this. You might be allergic to something. Yeah. Stop taking everything you're taking, and I feel better. Imagine that. And you've already had another appointment up north with the main doctors, and they didn't catch it, right? They didn't. But without being there, it's hard to see. Just really bad luck. Devin looked like a tweaker for 40 days. Yeah, if you saw me in Reno at Sheep Show, I'm not a crackhead. I mean, it got bad enough he had a dentist looking at his eyes. And a dentist was trying to prescribe medication for you. Shout out to Ryan. Thank you, my friend.

Don't say his last name, because he might jerk his license. He was trying to prescribe stuff for you. I was out of antibiotics. That's a big deal. You start crossing from mouths to eyes. That's when liability insurance policy quits. Okay. Malpractice stops. So we are going to be headed to the Expo. That is happening this next week, February 15th to the 18th, 2024. That is this year. Can you believe it? It's already 2024. And we're going to be having some deals. Josh, you want to kind of talk about a little bit of that? We have a big booth, 20 by 50, every single year, Epic Outdoors. Same spot. We'll be talking to people, and we'll be selling optics and memberships and all kinds of things and talking hunting. And there's going to be some crazy good deals. Yeah, we're going to be on the corner selling optics again. You'll see us there.

We've been authorized to have some special pricing there, and you won't beat it anywhere else, so there's no reason to even look anywhere else. The only reason you need to look anywhere else is go find a Zeiss booth or a Suaro booth or something, and if you need to look there, then just come buy it from us, because they actually don't even sell product. They're good to talk to, though. They are. Yeah, they are, and they have usually one of about everything, which, you know, even stuff for, I don't know, a burger, ICUC type stuff. Come on. We're going to give them free shout-outs. They're probably selling more product because of us, the ICUC. I guarantee Monster is. Why don't you explain the ICUC? Let's just give them a free shout-out. Go ahead. If I'm looking at an animal, I could put something up to my face, and you can look also. I have to put my cheek right next to yours, basically.

That was always a problem, I thought. In the hills, people are friendly. It's a good husband-and-wife tool, I think, but that's where I can draw the line. But anyway. There's the buck. You don't see it. I do. That's cool. All right. So anyway, we'll be there at the Hunt Expo. Go to HuntExpo.com. There's also QR codes listed in our publication. We have a full-page ad in there. You can kind of check it out and then go register for those tags, right? Right. Absolutely. We've known a lot of people to draw, including my son, Colton Drew, an animal tag. Southwest Desert. How about that? Jeez. Kind of crazy. I'm still unsuccessful. It's one of our years. I'm telling I can tell you how many years this has been around. Every year is Devin's year. Yeah. It's going to be my year. Oh, 24.

Like Josh said, we're going to have some great deals on optics, and we are authorized to, at this show, it's going to end, what, Sunday at 4 o'clock? Whenever it ends, this show pricing is going to end. So, stop by. We also offer a few little things to sweeten the deal. You want to read a few of those off, Josh? A couple different products, maybe? Yeah. We've got a lot of Zeiss rifle scopes. Several of us have those scopes on our guns, and we really like them and use them. So, yeah, every Zeiss rifle scope you buy, we're going to throw in a free set of rings, Zeiss rings. Those are not cheap rings. I mean, that's $180 pair of rings. Built-in bubble levels on them and everything. Yeah, it's got a little bubble level built onto it, and I've used them on both of my rifles that I've put together as of late.

So, that'll be some of the things as well, is just some special pricing on some of the, like, the SFL binoculars and stuff, knocking those down a lot. So, if you're looking for some binos or rifle scopes, anything like that, spotting scopes, we're going to have all that with Zeiss stuff there. Saguaro, we're just going to have some pretty phenomenal pricing. And our inventory is no joke. Yep. I mean. We're going to have plenty of it, whatever you need. Bronson's told us we're to come back with no optics left. Right? Right? Well, we're also going to have our new tripod. There we go. Exactly. Tripods. Plural. We've got a backpacker and a regular one. Yeah. All the accessories. They've been a big hit. We've sold a lot of them at the... I think that regular tripod will fit, like, a 6'8 guy. Easily. I mean... I don't know.

You're going to have the Utah Jazz team come by and do it while we're there a while. I don't think we're going to advertise them all. Greg Ostertag is going to be in the booth on Saturday between 1 and 3. Hey, he's a hundred. Tripod. He is. But they are legit tripods. If you want to come check them out, there's some scientists here in the room that have built it. And it's amazing. It can be seen on the back cover of the magazine. Back cover. I actually love the return tension. We can talk a little bit about that. Wyatt, dive in on it. The return tension? Yeah. Or anything about the tripod that you like. I just know the scientists here at Epic Outdoor Design. Oh, the scientists? The tripod. Okay. So let's just talk about that. How did that get authorized? There's only one person in this room that knew about that. Who was that? That's not in this room, I admit. Oh, yeah.

There's only one person. Two people. John and my wife. And we didn't know about it until it went to print. Yeah. And then Jenna's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. John told me to keep a secret.

Okay, no secrets. Now we know why. Husband and wife, we're supposed to have no secrets. Anyway, it was fine. It's all in fun. It was. It was good. We all expect at the expo, we all expect to be addressed as doctor or professor while we're there. What would you prefer, Bronson? Professor Bronson? Probably doctor. Rills off the tongue easier. Dr. Bronson. If you were a doctor, what kind of doctor would you be? I'd probably be a dentist that tries to prescribe eye medication for people. That's what I was going to say. That's what I was going to say. Devin's even, we're actually bringing a special little corner of the booth. We're going to have some black screens. If you need to talk to someone, Devin can pull you in there. Look at a rash. I don't know. Like the blue tent on the football game? Yeah. We can zip it up. He's in there. Yeah, look for Devin. Oh, he's in the blue tent. Go ahead.

Yeah. Can't see what's going on in there. Oh, he's got a concussion. You're out. Yeah.

He's been concussed for many years. Anyway, what else did we? Yeah, come by, check out the tripods. They've been a big hit. We've sold a lot of them already so far at the few of the shows we've been to. And so we'll have those there. Also, Vortex, we've got a few cool things with Vortex going on. And basically, we're feeling generous. And for every Vortex piece of glass you purchase, come by the booth, you're going to get a free ticket into a bin. We're going to give away a pair of the Fury 5000 ABs. That's not a joke. How about that? Last day. That's a joke. That's for Vortex glass purchase. Not just something we're running through Vortex. You buy a Vortex piece, get a ticket in for that. If you buy two pieces, you get two tickets in. Yeah. Then we're going to have some other giveaways. We're giving away three other spotting scopes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll be doing three spotting scopes.

I apologize on all the details on that. But I know it's if you purchase over $100 a ticket, sign up as a new membership, buy an optic through us. Such as Swaro or something else. Yeah, anything. You're going to get a free ticket in for a Revik 65 spotting scope. We're going to have three winners on that. Yeah, we're going to have three of those. We're just going to be giving all kinds of stuff away there. It feels like a giveaway. It's a straight-up giveaway. Anyway. We're going to be giving away free monsters. Free monsters. Yeah, free monsters. That's kind of a standard, isn't it? Do we even need to announce that anymore? Yeah, this is going to be no joke. Is it? Yeah. John's working on some stuff behind the scenes. What about my idea? I threw up there this morning. For children 14 years of age or older. There we go. There are some standards. Disclaimer.

There was a little seven-year-old just... There was one time that the monster girls were possibly going to show up at the booth, and that got stopped just in time. That's good. That got stopped. It is. But there's going to be pallets of monster. Pallets. And then probably the last thing as well for any optic that we sell, we're actually going to be teaming up with PhoneScope. They're going to be just across the hall from us right there, so it'll be easy. If you buy an optic from us, you can take your receipt, a piece of paper we give you, and walk over to them. They're actually going to give you a free adapter for that optic. So the ring that goes on the optic for that, you'll just have to buy the phone case. You may already have that. But if you buy a new one and you want to make sure you can start videoing the show. When are we going to start charging for stuff? I don't know.

We're supposed to sell stuff at some point. I guess we'll get to that. Yeah, we just talked about free monster, free this and that. What else? What are you bringing for free, Carter? I don't know. I'm bringing a couple rifles. I want to show people. Are you? Well, the Fierce and the Red Rock rifles all set up with the ZAI. No, I'd never sell those guns. We'll be giving away one of those, too, in our hunt giveaway. Yeah, we are. Rifle. Yeah. I thought you were going to say we're giving away one of Jason Carter's rifles. He's on personal gun. I've got. Devin wants to look at my arsenal. Is this the time we play the George Strait song? Just give it away? Yeah. Just give it away. Right before we leave, what we're talking about. We have member pricing on optics, right? Yep. We sell optics. We have member pricing. It's really, it's not beat out there in the industry. This is better.

The expo pricing is better than that. Yes. So you have to tell Sunday to figure that out. Come by the booth. If we don't have it, you can order it through us. We'll put an order in right there. Swipe your card, whatever. And you're locked in at expo pricing. After that, we change pricing back to member pricing, which is incredible. It's better than anything you can find online. But having said that, coming by the booth is a big deal. So come by the booth. We're not just optics dealers. Of course, we're talking hunting. This business was built on hunting information, Western Big Game hunting information. Right, Bronson? That's right. And Monster. It was built on Monster. Yeah. We always say they owe us for free shout outs, but really, we kind of owe them. The whole business. Shh.

Fueled by Monster. And now, I don't know, Bronson drinks all kinds of crazy drinks. Relight. We got Redmond. We got Relight. Those aren't crazy. The next phase is built on Relight. Good. Those aren't crazy. I just have a, I like it. Sometimes the palate's craving a different taste. Stay hydrated. That's right. It's unbelievable. I actually like it. You guys like it? I drink pure water, too. We appreciate Blake Butler stopping by, loading us up with Relight and some of that other, all their other products. Now, we're just kind of getting hooked on it. So, we got between Monster and Relight. I'm peeing all night long. I'm just going to tell you, as old man syndrome, it's every two hours. Now, we know why we got a couple of pistols, I guess. What are you hiding in the woods of Alaska? If you're going to be up all night. Oh, yeah. You got one for both hands. Zip. Zip.

Josh, you and I are going to be fully loaded and ready to go, but we're going to have the buddy system. Do I have all the light? No. You're getting up every two hours on the hour, boss. Okay. You got the handgun and that new flashlight. You guys are going to light up Alaska. I'm going to be safe.

I'm sure we do. And Wyatt just thinks he can bear, you know, just tackle each other. He's wrestling. Wyatt said he's. Wyatt, you're the last one to buy a pistol. We got Devin that's going to save you, but you're not going to save Devin? And he's self-proclaimed shakiest hand in the West. When he gets in a bad situation, he can just toss it out. You know, he's wrestling a bear, just toss it over to me. It's that simple. It's true. Oh, hey, Wyatt. Here's my gun. Shoot the bear that's laying on top of me. I gave Wyatt permission today. If there's a bear on me, shoot it. If you hit me, you hit me. It is what it is. And I kind of agree with that. After listening to that last podcast, kind of. If it's your time, it's your time. Just go ahead and pull the trigger. It's kind of like the do not. I'd rather take that chance. DNR on your stuff. Do not resuscitate.

It's kind of like just authorize somebody. That's true. We need to sign some paperwork before we go. I mean, just try not to hit me, but don't worry about the risk. If it goes through the bear and comes into you, you might live. It's not going to go. It's not going to kill you. Yeah, that's my. Unless it's. It's going to be slowed down to 700 feet a second. At three feet. Oh, still my. So anyway, these 10 mils. Now, we've single-handedly sold six or seven of those today. Well, today, but yeah. Anyway. You're welcome, Gary. Lots of people want to be prepared. Gary. Gary's our gun pimp. All right.

Well, he is. He's selling them like this. Anybody that needs a pistol, let us know. We're going to refer you to our buddy Gary. There's not even a gas station on the corner in L.A. that sells more pistols than a Sinclair. That's right. That's right. Ruby's hand. Well, and if we ordered them ourselves, it would look. We'd be red flagged. We didn't want to order that many all at once because pistols are treated a little bit different with the FFF. Well, I mean. And we just. We're not really. We're not really a gun salesman. But we sell hunting rifles. But Gary. Start off of a sudden. Gary treats people so well. Have pallets of 10mm show up with ammo. You know. Anyway. Stuff's going to happen. We just. I want Devin to attend one of those front sight courses. Just for safety for Wyatt. I can hit things. I just shake a little bit.

Especially when it's a bear. Especially when it's a bear. Yeah. 800 pound bear. In the heat of the moment. If that happened, I think you'd be shocked by it. That bear podcast was heavily. People are. It's jarred some people. People are buying pistols that are never going in the bear woods. Just in case they go in the bear woods. They live in South Texas, but they're buying them. It's true. All right. Well, anyway. So, let's also. Let's talk about our Epic Hunt giveaway a little bit. Okay. Yeah. So, the deadline's coming up. February 29th. There'll be options to enter there at the expo. Of course. You'll buy a membership. Gift a membership. Or sign up for License Application Service. We'll give you a ticket as well. Or refer a friend. I guess is the other way to do it. Giving away some great hunts. First one, I guess, is going to be.

I guess the first one and the big one would be a British Columbia stone sheep hunt with some great outfitters that we've worked with for a long time. Folding. Or stone folding mountain outfitters up there. They've had a great season this last year. And I expect it to continue. How about John Hymas coming in the office? Yes. Coming in the office. And he's right there. He's the poster child. Killed a dark, beautiful, big ram. Last year. Fun to talk to him. Fun to talk to him about his hunt. He said it's the number one, his number one all-time best hunt of his entire life. Just an incredible experience. Well, and we all, if you paid attention at all on the prices of sheep tags, whether they be doll sheep, which are double what they were, seems like five years ago. Yeah. But stone sheep, double what they were four or five years ago, it feels like. Yeah. These are no joke.

And it's slightly unfortunate that maybe they're pricing a lot of people out of it. But here's a way to win one with whatever means you got to put a few tickets in, join, refer people to join, whatever. This is a no joke, you know, $80,000, $85,000 stone sheep hunt. And it's not like it's bad dates. You know, it's just, it's a hunt anybody would want to die to go on. August 12th to the 24th, 2025. Yeah. It's not like we got you in October, you know. In BC. Snowflags. No. Up in the clouds. It's not. I really want you to have a long-haired cape.

It's not. So anyway, it's an awesome hunt there. So maybe, Devin, what else? Keep going down the list real quick. Doing two elk hunts this year. A Pilot Peak, Utah and Nevada. That unit runs, the state line runs right through the center of it. So you can actually hunt two states. Super awesome. Solid hunt. Been some giant bulls kill out there. And then another elk hunt in Nevada, 076 to 081. I love that place. It's an awesome elk hunt. And you get to choose your season. So if you're an archery guy, go archery, rifle, muzzleloader, whatever you want. That's a 2024. So the last hunt winner on that one was just completely shocked on the number of bulls he was seeing a day. Yeah. We've had a hunt winner kill a 370 bull on that hunt. In fact, it might be pictured right there. Nobody ever complains about it. That's one of them. Yeah, I believe it is. That's one of them. Yep. Pretty awesome.

We're proud. We're proud of these hunts. Just world-class elk hunts. And so, anyway, it's awesome. What else we got on there? We're also giving away a Nevada deer hunt there in 231. Some great deer getting pulled out of there on a landowner tag there. $21,000 hunt. Incredible opportunity. If you can't afford $21,000, then here's an opportunity. Throw a ticket in the hat and try to get there. Greg Krogh, Muggy on Rear Mountfitters. We appreciate our partnership with Greg. He's one of the best. I feel like he pioneered Nevada, even though he was a non-resident when he started there. And currently a non-resident, but has a local number. I mean, because he's been there so long. But, anyway, what a great hunt. Great people. Some of the best in the industry. Unit 231. Produced 215-inch with us last year. And you pick your season on that one, too. Yeah, pick your season.

And once your guide time with the outfitter comes and goes, you can stay. You can stay until you kill, as long as the season's in progress. So, anyway, it's a landowner tag that's in your name. Tag alone's worth probably $17,500 if you could find one. $15,000 if you can get one. Some guys are up over $20,000. Yeah. So, what else do we got on there? Got another mule deer hunt. This one's in northern Utah with bucks and bulls. Outfitters, September 1-5, which is when stuff gets going on CW Mews in northern Utah. You're hunting pre-scouted, summer, bachelor bucks, velvet hunt. First crack at things on the place. It's a very unique opportunity to kill trophy velvet mule deer there, September 1-5 of 2024. It's going to be, it's always another popular one. You know, fairly moderate terrain on the ranch, so anybody can do that. Nevada's not rough either. I'm just trying to give you an idea.

These are not like, you know, anybody can do most of these hunts. Okay. Next up, we've got a coos deer hunt for two hunters. You know, we bought this hunt for two guys. Instead of giving two individual hunts away, it's actually for a party or two. We'll draw a name, and that winner, we'll be able to take a family member, buddy, or whatever. So, anyway, pretty awesome. Mexico coos deer with Cucco del Cid. Rancho Benito trophy hunts December 2024, this upcoming December, through January 2025 with real flexible dates. So, you'd work out a date with Cucco, one of the best guys in the industry down there. We had a hunt winner, killed an absolute monster with him. Anyway, pretty incredible. I think it was in the 120s, if I remember right. Do you remember? It was. Yeah. It was right at 120. 20, 21, yeah. Kind of crazy. So, pretty awesome.

Just an incredible hunt that any one of us would want ourselves. So, we've got that one. And then we also have an Idaho wolf hunt for two hunters. Five-day hunt with Hardex Outfitters. Gus Thorson, just up in the Frank Church Wilderness. It's just what an incredible experience. He's touting that he gives every single hunter that goes with him has an opportunity to wolf, but people just lose their mind. And sometimes getting them killed can be a little bit Western. But what an experience. You'll be able to go with a buddy as well on that one. That's for a party of two. It'll be two winners, but we're going to pull one ticket and be for whoever wins it, plus somebody of their choice. We also have an epic gear package, Bronson. This is no joke. Yeah, the last package there. We've got a fierce firearm, twisted rival, 300 rum. We've also got a 2024 Hoyt compound bow.

You know, we've just seen the new bows being released by Hoyt, or being announced at least. And so you'll be able to pick your model there that you want that fits you, things like that. Like a Geovid Pro 32s, Zeiss V4 rifle scope, 6-24x50, Vortex UHT 18x56, and a Suero spot and scope and eyepiece. So anyway, $15,500 gear package there. So lots to win, lots of great hunts, obviously great gear. We also got a bonus hunt for if you buy, what, a $500 package, you get a $10,000 hunt credit to book toward any hunt of your choice, choosing on there, with any outfitters that we have. It doesn't have to be this year, but we'll write the check when you tell us who to write it to. That worked out really good for the guy who won it last time. Yeah, he did. He smashed it. Yeah, mid-340s, 350 bull in Utah. Just put a, and we wrote the check. Got a cancellation hunt.

He was paying like $5,000 for the hunt, right? And then we wrote a check to the outfitter. Yeah. And then he paid the difference. Made $4,000 or $5,000. I can't remember what the difference was. We stole that one. It was an awesome bull, man. There's no strings attached. It's not like, yeah, we'll give you a little bit of hunt credit, and we work with the outfitter on it. We write a check. We write a check for $10,000 on that one. All right. Pretty awesome. Again, deadline's February 29th. There's a variety of ways to get your name in the hat. Get your name in there. Just an awesome opportunity. We believe you should have your name in every hat. Draws across the West or whatever it is, if you're ever going to win it, you've got to have your name in the hat. Where do you draw the line personally? I don't know. I was thinking. I knew this was going to. Do you have antelope?

So I knew this was going to come up. I knew you have sticky notes you haven't told us about. I don't. You brought it. You said every, but we all have lines. Last year, I had. There was no lines last year, and this year there's lots of lines. I had every tag known to man last year, and you reminded me, hey, did you have a Navajo tag? I may or may not have. Did you have a New Mexico deer tag? I may or may not have. What tags? How many tags did you have in January alone? Quite a few. So I feel bad. Right now, 1st of February, how many tags do you already have? I don't know. Too many to count. I do not recall. Too many to count. Oh, I've got a couple. Not enough with the weather conditions out there. At least three. At least three. Geopet weather. I'm looking for more. Yeah. Things have changed a lot in 35 days around, well, Utah, especially central and southern.

We were all hovering about 40% to 50%. Ever since January, we've kind of every had four or five days. That's another storm. And this last week's been just nonstop crushing some wet, wet, soggy snow. We're not having to fight it in town, which is kind of nice, at least in Cedar City. Other towns, Bryce Canyon and all that, they're sick of pushing. Nevada's got a foot on the level down in the bottom of the valleys and parts of it. It's crazy. Brand new snow. Wet snow. So these later winter storms are always usually wetter.

Let's talk a little bit about what our theory is for last year's weather. Last year was supposed to be a Chia pet year. The Chia pet grew a little, but it wasn't crazy, crazy. Most places, well, yeah, Idaho, Wyoming, northern Utah, southern Utah, everything's 200% plus the norm. It was unbelievable. Dare say too cold in the summer. Great for Lake Powell. We needed some hot weather. We needed some water there. But, I mean, honestly, it was late May, some places early June, before you saw any green up on summer ranges. It was just late. Even winter range, mid-level, mountain stuff. Yeah, it was like you couldn't even get to summer range until July. Yeah, it was June. I remember the first cameras I put up were mid-June, and there were some 30-foot snowdrifts still on the north sides of stuff. And so it was a great thing because we were coming off, what,

three years of really, really rough snowpack years, and, you know, compromised, you know, range conditions, antler growth, all that, farm production, we've talked about that, and deer herds in Nevada, southern Utah really being hurt and coming down. But, I mean, it probably, I mean, it had an effect on, you know, bucks, probably bulls is more than anything, but getting off to a good start. I mean, I think they were eating winter range and browse until May in a lot of places. And when they shed in March, I mean, their body maintenance comes number one. And, yeah, what were you going to say, Cash? It gets hard to get going on that undergrowth. Yeah. Yeah. I think we saw it in, I think, some units, the deer, obviously. But other places was good. Little incidentals, like they're just intangibles sometimes that you don't think about all the time. And I'm thinking, how can a summer be too cool,

or how can an early spring be too cold and too much moisture and maybe not the right moisture? Maybe it was snow instead of rain. Well, if you remember, when this started, it was like opening weekend to the deer hunt in Utah, the late October rifle hunt, I'm talking. That first storm hit and it got cold, and it honestly never warmed up until spring. It was. And spring was late. It was. It was like we didn't have a spring. Yeah, November, our snow started. We didn't crest 80 degrees. The people that were hunting late season elk tags that year, remember, it was like Antarctica. They were on, like, Dutton and places. And it was like, I do not want to be what I'm seeing the pictures. Yeah, if they would have had those late hunts that year, the archery hunts, that would have been rough. Yeah.

And so it started in early November, late October, early November, and the storms just came relentless. And that's why it was so hard for the deer and antelope and Wyoming and other northern Colorado, southeast Idaho, northern Utah. Utah, it just lasted as long as it possibly could. It got started and then lasted as long as it possibly could. It was a bad recipe. This year feels completely different. We were warm and mild in almost every state. But it also, now it feels like all these storms, some of them are going above us. Northern Utah is getting crushed. A lot of it rained in the valleys. I don't think they're piling up quite as much as they had last year. The mountains are getting a lot of snow. When you start getting it in late January and February, you don't have that extra two months to fight it. They had nothing to fight until January. I agree with all that.

Having said all that, Wyatt, you smashed, how big was your deer? Just over 220. I mean, okay, we're not complaining. He had a little bit of a chia pet. Bronson, you killed a giant butt. That unit as well, though, the Henrys. It's a desert. Yeah, southern Utah. They can be down getting green up on a unit like that. Some units you can't get out of. So there's a little bit of that. San Juan had an incredible year. I mean, there's a number of units that did good. Bulls, there was a number of giant bulls killed in Utah. There were. Penguich produced well. I mean, you guys. I mean, so it's not like it was bad. It was just. Statewide, though, it was off here. Yeah, more of the northern part of the state. I-70 north definitely suffered. You definitely could see that. Yeah. And Nevada was really good in a couple of their units for deer-wise, and I thought it would be better.

But then you'd start to realize, well, maybe just numbers of mature deer. There's not a lot of old, big deer. Numbers. That's right. That's right. I think that's what we're talking about. But anyway, I think there's a lot of optimism. Of course, we're. Anytime it rains in Utah, Nevada, I mean, we're the second and first dryest states in the nation. So it's like we talk about it a lot. If it feels like we talk about it a lot. Because our excitement. We're affected by it. And we live around it. Whether it be your farming, ranching community, whether it be recreational lakes, whether it be hunting and antler growth and all that. Like we pray for rain. In drought years, you hunt stags, sheep, goats. Okay. Maybe a bison or two. Years like this, we're hunting deer and elk. Right? No. I really think it's going to be special. Milder. Are you calling it a chiapet year? Yeah.

I think it's going to be phenomenal. I think elk are going to be unbelievable. Elk we have, especially in Utah, we have a good age structure already. It's there. It's just like some of our limited entry units. We already know like a Henry's or Poncegon or Oaks. Age structure is there. You get the right conditions. Stuff can just be next level. Unbelievable. Oak Creek is actually kind of rough last year. It was tougher. Might be because it was a little further north. Remember those? That unit was also better in the drought years than the other units to the south. It's a little bit further north. But being a little bit further north, maybe it just, it's an ice, that valley below, that's an icebox. Yeah, I feel like it just gets held up with snow and just sits there and snows on that thing and gets a little bit more than other places should or do. I think that was maybe it.

But it, for the same reason, slightly further north, a little bit better precip in the dry years than the others. It did better in those dry years. So anyway, lost to anticipate. So we're expecting really good things out of New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Utah. By the way, we have some landowner tags in New Mexico, unit-wide tags, muzzleloader if anybody's interested. 13, 15. Yeah, give us a holler. It's going to be awesome. In fact, you know, with the new muzzleloader restrictions down there, there was a lot of bulls that made it. And, you know, a little bit of time, it's going to be interesting to see how that works. But they had a great year down there last year. They did. There were some great bulls. So anyway, we've got that. We've got some landowner tags here in Utah for elk. So anybody that's interested, give us a holler. I want to, should we just change the subject real quick?

When are we ready? I don't know what you want to change it to, I guess. What are we going to talk about? What am I restricted to, boss?

I don't know. Logan. Oh.

Logan. Logan's fair game. I heard that you participated in a mosh pit recently. I did. Yeah. Why don't you tell us that story? It was a really good concert. What would you like to know? Why I'm a little sore today? Backstreet Boys hit. Backstreet Boys hit. Did you dislocate your jaw? I might have ended up in a hospital after the concert. Are you crapping me? Jeez. What? No. Taylor Swift went too hard. Taylor Swift was amazing. Jeez. Urgent Care in Idaho did pretty good. Yeah. I went to a concert and there was a mosh pit going on and I had my little sister with me and one of my friends who aren't quite... Is this your girl friend? No. Oh. Okay. I didn't know. One of my man friends. And yeah, I was trying to get them out of there because they're not accustomed to that type of behavior. And so I... So you were being kind. I was. Yep. I was trying to get them out of there and some guy just...

As I was moving, some guy just whipped his elbow right into my jaw right here. And I started bleeding and I could feel that it was pretty bad. I was trying to hold onto my jaw and went into the bathroom and couldn't close my mouth all the way and couldn't open it all the way and so I... Jeez. I didn't want to miss the show though so I stayed for the rest of the show and then went to an urgent care afterwards and the doctor said that based on... Since it was a flying elbow and it just got hit perfect going this way, he thinks it just displaced it temporarily and then it went back in and so that's why I was in so much pain. But yep, I'm on soft food for a couple of days. Soft food. I mean, yeah, he's taking his peas and grinding them up. Yeah. No one... Well, we've got plenty of Capri Suns and juice boxes. Yes, we do. Yeah. That did happen to Archibald one time too. Whoa. Really?

Oh, I love these stories, Bronson. I love these guys' stories. How many stories? These guys have unlimited stories. I just said this morning, I'll bet I've heard a thousand stories of these two and I've never heard the same one twice and I love it. Me neither. I wasn't in a mosh pit. I wish I would have, man. That would have been a cooler story. He was in a very safe environment in an Eric Church concert. That woman did fall off the balcony though. Yes, she did. What happened there? Eric Church? What? The chief? Go ahead, Wyatt. Just tell the story. Oh. Well, Archibald's always been a big fan of Ray Wiley Hubbard. Oh, yeah. And that happened to be Eric Church's come out to song or walk out song was Snake Farm. Really? Yeah. And I yelled too loud. Yeah, as soon as it started, Archibald started yelling at that.

I gave a big woo-hoo, you know, and all of a sudden I'm like, man, my eardrum hurts. I thought I hurt my eardrum, but it was my dislocated my jaw. Munch of physical therapy. Yelling? I'll talk to you after, Logan. I know how to fix that stuff. You know how soft food diet works? Jaw saddle.

Jeez. Oh. So. Wow. Just by yelling yeehaw, you dislocated. Something around, yeah. Seems like you guys have another concert story. Some guy. Oh, lots of them. Didn't some guy about die? He did die. Wyatt's arms. Yeah, not quite in my arms. In front of us right there. Got drug out of the front of the concert. Literally? Yeah, out of the ambulance, yeah. Did he literally die? Resuscitated, yeah. Brought him back. Said it happens all the time. Then he celebrated. They let him come back to the concert. He was there by the end of the night, yeah. Wow. Did they actually shock him? Yeah. The fibulate? He said they burned him, right? Yeah, some kind of. Pacemaker? Pacemaker. Yeah, he had a pacemaker or something. How they restarted it. They got him restarted and, I mean, let him come back out. We just thought he died. We're just like, kind of ruined the night. Like, holy cow, this just happened.

Didn't he give you something to be able to participate in all the rodeos? All the rodeos? I can't remember at this time what all took place there. Super nice guy out of Colorado. Made sure you were welcome at all the rodeo events. Yeah. That was good. That's awesome. Secret pass. Initiated, I guess, kind of deal. If you watch me die, I'm going to give you three. Logan, when can you have a good chunk of meat again? He said probably four days on soft food, so I'm probably Saturday. I'll be good. Well, Wyatt knows all about soft foods. Wyatt, did you give your kids some soft food last night at 2 in the morning? Is he eating soft food? I didn't have to feed him, no. I just had to watch him play in his bouncer for half the night. He was just ready to play, I guess. Well, hey, he's taking after his dad. You're supposedly a night owl back in college days.

The complete opposite of a night owl now. So, Wyatt hasn't babysat the kid for probably two or three weeks, and I think he's looking wore out this morning. It hasn't been that long. Let's put it this way. He came in whatever this morning. Wiped out. He went on record and says, I am not responsible for the lack of productivity that I might have today. He did. My wife is a saint for being able to take care of that every night. She's awesome. No question about it. And Case is lucky to have her. Yes.

It gets better, Wyatt. Just hang in there. We're almost to five months. Jeez. Jeez. Time flies. I still haven't seen the little fella. Still don't know if he even has a kid. I have a photo of him. Give him Wyatt in my office if you want to see it. I also know that you work with John, and he can make anything happen on a graphic screen. That's true. I need some time you need to bring him in. Is he going to come to the expo, Wyatt? I doubt he'll come to the expo. He's not into crowds yet. I wonder where he gets that. Oh, I wonder. Exactly. Wyatt, when are you going to have another one? Oh. Maybe never. He almost had to beep him, Logan.

Almost had to beep him. Oh, shiz. Oh, shiz. I don't even know how to reply to that.

Yeah. It's just such an overwhelming thought. We'll ask you again in six months. He's going to listen to this podcast in the future and realize that he was hard on me. He was no joke. Yeah. That once every two weeks is wiping a guy out. What are you guys? I'm proud of you, actually. I'm proud of you. I don't know that I gave it a full night. I didn't give it quite a full night, but I gave it long enough. Good stuff. All right. Well, Bronson, you're up. I'm out. What do you mean? I don't know. We had some subjects we were going to talk about. Well, what you wanted to bring up was Logan. Maybe some plants. Logan's mouth. Mosh pit. Okay. Talked about that. That was one of them. Talked about that. Yeah. Let's talk about some plants. Seriously.

I've outlined some of mine, and it's probably in the Fit Brewery magazine, which y'all might have just got. Is that that when I did? No. That was January I did that. I'll go first. What, we're going to draw in Arizona that was completed this week? Arizona came and went. Thankfully. It's nice to have that. Occasionally, that's been open at the expo, and it's not anymore. Some of us applied where we don't even know if there's ever been an elk killed. No, one of us did not. Some. One. Okay. Good luck. Did you apply? Oh, yeah. Of course. Did archery hunts down there this year. I really want an archery elk hunt or two this year. It's kind of been my, I think I've been on record saying that. Partially because some of the deer hunts, you know, I killed a couple good ones last year, but one of them was kind of a total extracurricular tag.

If it wasn't for that one, it would have been a one-day hunt in Nevada, and then the rest of it would have been. Grind. It was a grind the whole rest of the year until I got to end with that Nevada or New Mexico. We all got to end with that. Yeah, but I mean. I was grateful to be there. Yes. I mean, so you really can't ever plan on ever duplicating that experience. So I am going to have two, three deer tags this year, maybe four. We'll see. But they're going to be quality. One of them is going to be Utah General, which I still think is quality. You know, we all have a few places we like to spend and chased a good deer around last year. But anyway, nice to be able to pick a unit, having a lifetime license. So building my year around that and have to see how the draws go. But I hope to have, yeah, Arizona elk or maybe Montana elk. I want a couple elk hunts this year. Depends on if I can.

Change it up just a little. Well, it's just, I think they're going to be big bulls, man. I mean, I'm much more of a deer guy than an elk guy, but I just can't get over how good I think some of these elk states are going to be this year. I think they're going to be next level. Yeah. I really do. So anyway, that's me. I've already said I am going up north this year to hunt, hunt doll sheep and caribou. That was a hunt I won actually three years ago. I keep forgetting you have that. Yeah. That's, that's a full year. What do you mean? Well, if you do that, you're going to do Canada. I will be home by August 10th or 12th. So like the rest of the stuff having done it. You can't say that's a full year. Sheep and mountain caribou. Yeah. Looking forward to that one. That was a hunt I actually won. So, I mean, we just got, you know, your principle of having a name in the hat.

Well, whether it's the hunt expo, whether it's the sheep camp they have up there Saturday, whether this one happened to be at our Utah Wild Sheep Foundation banquet, you have to be in the room every year to win that hunt 30 years ago. So I was, I won it. So it's time to go and do that. Looking forward to it. I'm going to pay for a few extra days where that whole base hunt was paid for. Appreciate sheep camp and all them for stepping in and helping cover all the rest of the stuff there in addition to Utah Wild Sheep Foundation. But anyway, yeah. So I'm going to extend it to a 15-day hunt and try to hunt for a big mountain caribou there in early August. Full velvet. Anybody else want to have him fill out their tickets? Yeah. Drop them in. Yes, please.

I've had 99% of my tickets lose. You've got to have, that means you've got to do 100 of them to win one. That's the way. I think they pull mine, but they can't read it. I'm guts. I'd second mine. That's a possibility. You need to go there with address labels pre-made. Yeah. You might. Dr. Kaja. Dr. Kaja. You in the room. Okay, moving on. Next guy. Nobody by the name of that. Oh. A Dr. Bronson. Oh, yeah. Never won one of these four. They'll do that. Big B. Big B. I like it. So, anyway, that's the foundation of my year, but that's a late July, early August. I'm looking forward to that. And then, yeah, get back into, you know, archery deer, hopefully, and then archery elk and other deer, and see what else happens in the draw. So, somebody else tell us what their plans are. Pollock, you're up. I don't have anything. Come on. I got some blackout dates. You guys are talking. What do you mean?

You four have options. That's what I mean. I got some blackout dates. What does that mean? You guys pregnant? What do you mean? Got another kid coming? Not me. If we are, there's some major. I got a lot bigger plans. You going to lose half your assets? No, I'm gaining half. I'm not losing anything. I've already lost. You going to get half back? Yeah. Hey, we are waiting on the Alaska draw. They'll come out next week, the Expo. So, that's what some of us all. Friday, the Expo. You guys. And then, I think. Well, all of us. Well, I didn't this year. I don't have time to go there. I'll swear that time frame. But anyway. No, just going to go up and shoot a moose. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't know exactly the time frame. So, blacking out some dates there. How many to black out? I don't know. But. Wyatt was talking about September 1th to 1st to the 25th. To the 25th. To the 25th.

By the time we got home. Yes. Yeah. So, that's why I don't know. Wyatt's looking. Most people look at that long in a tent as, I'm not going to sleep well. That's too long. Wyatt's like, that's peace and quiet. 25 days. These guys didn't see a bull for, what, seven days? Yeah. He's going to do the starfish in there for 25 days and sleep like a baby. Wyatt wants to scout. June and July. We did go a long streak of not seeing a bull up there. But when they did come out, there were some good ones. Yeah. I don't know if we're going hunting or on an episode of Alone. I don't know what we're getting into. None of us know. That's the adventure. Just naked and afraid. Yeah, I've been told to be. I'll probably be like. It would be interesting to watch. Why don't you guys. A little dash cam in these guys' cam. You got the. With Archibald. GoPro heads. Wyatt.

Why don't you guys get dropped in from four separate. Instead of being in pairs, just four separate places. All right. Wyatt wakes up. Let's get real wild. Let's get real mono-y-mono here. You guys up? Wyatt wakes up and wants to know where the Oreo cookie went. Don't Devin took that before we got dropped off. Wyatt got left with all. Every Mountain House is the same flavor. For 15 days. Remember, he lives on Snickers bars. I did. Peak Refuel is a little bit different. I actually enjoyed those meals. Mountain House was not my cup of tea. But you've lived on Snickers. I did on my doll sheep hunt. Yeah. Straight up. Snickers bars. I'm going to live off those little birds this time. Grouse. You taking a .22 with birdshot? I've looked at those things for so many days, and I was just like, I've never thought about fried chicken. Churches. Churches chicken.

Churches, Fat Albert's, Chester's, Popeye's, whatever. KFC. You wanted some poultry stuff. Yes. Are you going to take a .22 with birdshot or something, probably? I would. I'm going to take a 10 millimeter. Well.

In the morning, the riverbeds were just chucked full of them. They'd all fly down and just be sitting out there kind of stuff. Gritting up. Yeah. Well, I would. That's free protein, man. Yeah. You can't pack enough meat. Give us your best moose call. Not on the podcast. I think we're going to save that for the summer. I think that'd be a good one. Let me practice a little bit. Cash and I, we're not going up there part of that this year. But those that are, we did this infamous taste testing water test about two, three years ago. And Devin crushed it. Devin was impressive. I'm just going to say that. I'm going to give that to you. He was able to nail every kind of bottled water known to mankind. And anyway. You throw some relight in there, he wouldn't be able to tell. Yeah. Oh, that'd be tough. Make it a little tougher.

But I think we could do, Cash and I could get blindfolded, face the corner over there and have these guys walk in one at a time. Yep. And we just hear the lonesome cow moans and vote for up or down who we think's the best. Is that a challenge? Yeah. Is that a challenge to be an issue right here? You guys, how many moose calls have you heard? In the wild. Devin's just proven. I'm just worried that our judges aren't seasoned enough. I've spent hours and hours of my life running into the trees. So you're just saying you've won no matter what? No, I'm just saying. It worked. I told you, I've got two hours a day to practice a good estrus moan by myself. In the green lantern? In the green lantern. Going up over the mountain. I could even stop and see if the elk like it. We still don't know if it's proven until September. That's true. So I guess we just decided.

Brought a 65-incher out of the trees. He's no joke. Lovestruck. He is no joke. Yeah. And he was getting up all night, right? And you were laying in the tent letting him.

That's just a teaser right there. Just a teaser. I prefer the bull magnet to really reach out. All right. Well, I like it. I think we need to have that, Logan. You need to put that in your phone. Sometime the end of August before everybody goes their separate ways on the four corners of the earth. We need to have the moose calling unveiling for these four guys. We'll see if you've done your homework between now and then. I don't know if Wyatt can physically do it. That's what you told me. I can't get my voice tones that way, I guess. He just did that so he could lay in bed while you went out all night long. I was a raker. I had a scapula just up and down on the trees. Just working it. That's another thing. We need to somehow get a big scapula. Get it dried out. Any of you beef butchers out there right now that are listening to the podcast that you're trimming all off on there

and you want to box three or four up, throw them in the mail? You have to visit with old Tugnay or something. It'd be much appreciated, right? That or we'd just cut off the bottom of an oil bottle. We'd probably be just fine. You're going to carry a bone this big in your carry-on archibald. We did. Oh, not only carry-on? We found the scapula up there. Yeah, we found one randomly. I mean, to me. But it's also the color. When they come out, you hold that up and you'll see that. Like a paddle. Yeah, yeah. Like flagging an animal. You wouldn't want a blue one. You don't want a yellow bottle of Preston jugs. Or like Delo 400 or something. Anyway, I think you better have the real thing. Real bone. And Wyatt, you hunted most of your dad like two or three years ago. Maybe it's four. I don't know. But you could have kept those two right there. That would have been perfect timing off your dad's.

They were Shiraz. And I said that deliberately for all you guys. They were. It's got a tactical antlers. Maybe we just pop it off. I said that on the phone this morning. Shiraz. You said it. Somebody you were talking to. Certain people call them Shiraz Moose. You're now getting in the habit where it's just rattling on. Shiraz. I think it was me. I thought about that. I was like, I need to stop saying that. You do. I think it was me. Because people are going to be like, really? They don't know what they're even talking about. He doesn't even know how to say it. But anyway, your dad's Shiraz Moose. He said it this morning. It would have been great to keep those. You packed them off. It would have been a good thing. Throw them in the beetle pile and slick them up. And they'd have been good. Maybe we'll go back to the kill site. I could find it. Huh? Really? Maybe we'll go back.

Did you depot it? Oh, no. I did. I quartered it. So they made it to a butcher shop. Dang. They're long gone. Yeah. I don't know if a beef scapula is going to sound the same as a moose scapula. Wyatt will have to test that one out. Okay. Well, that's pretty. I'm just saying. We're getting pretty particular. Beef might be thick. It might not have the same tones and all that. It just might be blocky sounding. Maybe it'll be closer to actual antler, though. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. And it might be more like an Alaska Yukon moose. A Shiraz scapula might be like a white-tailed deer. They might not really buy it. Shiraz. Oh, boy. I do know they're Shiraz, but we're just having fun here, people, before we get the comments. Who else? Somebody else talk about your year. I divulged. Cash. Let's do it. I should have an archery deer tag this year, in theory.

I convinced my brother-in-law to point boost me. Okay. Just enough to where I think we'll both draw. Is this a limited entry or general? No. No, just general. Just a general. Any more? That's kind of a big win. Yeah. With the tag cuts. Yeah. Other than that, nothing really set point. Luck of the draw. Luck of the draw. Hoping for random tags somewhere or whatever. There were some big bucks killed on the general last year in some of these units. Yep. Great opportunity. I think it's one of those overlooked opportunities when you don't have the commercialized pressures. What else did you say was the most underutilized opportunity for non-residents in the state of Utah the other day? I said, I want you to say that on a hot mic. It was this morning. Dedicated hunter. Yeah. The dedicated hunter for non-residents. Go look at draws. Dedicated hunter. You can get a point for dedicated hunter.

You can get a point for general. You can get a point for limited entry deer. Three different deer points. And I'm just saying, you get to have a deer tag for three years. And you can hunt all the seasons. And you kill two deer in three years. And yeah, you've got to buy your hours because you're not going to be able to come here and work them. Forty bucks an hour. Thirty-two hours. I mean, but dude, that's one of the most underutilized opportunities. Look what people are doing in virtual waiting rooms in Idaho. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And in Arizona. But the reason for that is it's a set-aside number of tags. It's not like an up to like some of these. Not like you're out. Residents is a popular program. The non-residents get a set-aside for the tags in most units. They don't even have enough applicants for the tags. Do they? No. So we've looked at the odds. I'm just saying. Yeah.

And we've got the odds in our publication. We've talked about it. Got them online if you want to research one. Do it. Honestly, there's some of these limited draw units. You asked me. Would you rather have a X tag or your general? I'd rather have a general. In a lot of cases. What X tag? We play the would you rather game down here quite a bit. You and Devin play that right now. Go ahead. But would you rather. Okay. I'll play it. Would you rather have. Who are you asking? You. No. I don't want to play. Anybody. Okay. Okay. Somebody else.

A Floyd Canyon hams. Oh, come on. Tag. Hey. It's a limited entry deer tag. Would you rather that or your pick of a general season deer unit or dedicated? No question. No question. Say it. I mean, not the hams. Okay. I think I'd say this absolutely the same thing. I'd take a hams and others, but not that one. Yeah. Well, that narrows it down to two others. I know. Morgan Southridge. I just don't want to say it. The Morgan Southridge. I don't know. Maybe. So, anyway. Let's move on. Bronson. Would you rather.

Would you rather have. And you have to answer. So, just be honest with me. You're going to say. You're going to be honest. Right? Honest. No lies. He has to be. It's the word you rather. Would you rather have. A book cliffs.

Whatever you're about. Whatever you're about to say next. Whatever the second option. Vernon Archery. Vernon Archery. Or. Or. A Pine Valley. Any season on Pine Valley. Pine Valley. Yeah. That's also biased because I live close to that. And can put time into it. And scout it. And I've never been on. Would you rather have. A book cliffs. Archery. Or the Abajo. General. Archery. Abajo. Dude. Yeah. That's legit. That's saying a lot. Not even. Wyatt. You'd answer the same. Wyatt. I don't know. He's the book cliffs king. I know. He's the one. He's the one trying to get us going on. Wyatt is actually. A friend of the book cliffs. He's looking at the book cliffs in a positive light. Well. With the Chia Pet Year. Part of the reason is tag numbers have been. Yeah. Tag. Way cut over there. The last few years. And the archery and muzzle loader. You can hunt the whole unit.

You don't have to do north or south like the rifle. So. I mean. I'm not. Once again. You picked the wrong unit. I grew up on San Juanabajo. No. I picked the right unit. I knew. Meaning. I would pick that over a lot of things in Utah. So. Wyatt. Kay Bronson. You put Wyatt on the spot. Wyatt has a good one. They used to have to do with like. Spotters and stuff. We can't talk about that. So. Who would you rather be your wingman? It was kind of in the spirit of Top Gun. Who would you want to be your wingman? But I don't think we're going to go down that road. Yeah. We shouldn't go down that road. But. I don't know. There's a lot of cool scenarios. Wyatt. Would you rather have a LaSalle Dolores deer. Or a Pine Valley deer attack? Ooh. That's kind of. What season on Dolores? Kind of tough. Yeah. What season? Rifle. Whatever. What do you think?

Rifle or muzzle. Because it's deep. Deep. I would say the late rifle on Pine Valley. Oh. The October rifle on Pine Valley. I guess both of them are October. No. Yeah. The later one. Yeah. The later October. Or a Dolores. I take to Dolores. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dolores is freaking fun. Yeah. It is. But. There were bigger bucks killed on Pine Valley than Dolores. Yeah. Yeah. Probably true. Upper teens. Yeah. Probably. All right. It's getting a little stale in here. It's a little too serious. I had to put your thought into it. Josh. All right. Josh. Josh. What'd you rather?

Give us something good. What is something good for Josh? Who can think something good? Would you rather have a Poncagont. Hold on. Hold on. This is a serious question. Management bug. Oh. Would you rather have a Poncagont archery deer tag or a Panguitch Lake archery elk tag?

That's a hard one. Oh. I like it. And it's in the same year. So both of them are growing. Chia pet year this year. Their fullest potential. You have five seconds left. He loves. He loves Panguitch. You got to decide. That's a tough one, man. You ain't going to get either if you don't answer. Dude, come on. A deer. Probably. Ooh. Wow. Why would you say that? I need to kill a big deer. Okay. Yeah, he's got a 415 bull. Hey, Jason, you got a 415? No. I do. Who needs another one? For hell's sakes. I need some elk. I do. I need some elk tags. Well, this game has been fun. I like it. Logan. What do you got? What are your plans this year? What are you thinking about? Hoping for an archery elk tag this year. Wow. In Arizona. General? Arizona or Utah? Where are we talking? Yeah, Arizona. Oh, cool. Mm-hmm. Well, hopefully you got it.

Yeah, your dad, I think he got you kicked off at 10 years old, right? Oh, yeah. You probably didn't know what it meant then, but now you do. Oh, yeah. You're pretty appreciative. Yes. Got some points to play with. Yeah. Guy in his mid-20s with points and 100 points and loyalty points. Did you apply? 50 points and gas card? What? Did you apply? Is the deadline already passed? No. Who wants to break it down? Logan. Not in Arizona. Logan. Are you going to buy a custom gun before you get engaged or after the marriage? What? Does she listen to this podcast? Oh, when I tell her that it's about her, but we might not tell her this time. Well, she'll be listening to this one, man. What were you telling me this morning? You're saying like you had a whole list of stuff that you were going to buy. There was a list of financial priorities before. What were they?

Well, nice gun first, and then maybe side-by-side, four-wheeler. Jeez. Trailer? Side-by-sides are worth more than your truck, boss. That's fine. Just as long as the truck pulls it, it's a good enough truck. You're giving them, hey, that's a list. Isn't that describing you pretty much? Truck? Side-by-side, trailer, guns, all that. If that's your plan, you're not going to get married until you're 29 and a half. And Devin, speaking from experience, is that bad or good? Devin was a lot older than 29 and a half. When I got married? Yeah. Oh. Really? Yes. Yeah, you're right. I was going to say. I have to think about it. Maybe it's when I graduated college I was 29. I can't remember to get those two mixed up. Oh, boy. This is the best. Boy, you got married two days apart. I was in my 30s. I was going to say, I looked at 29 and a half, and I'm like, I don't know.

You haven't been married for five years. Devin, would you rather have a Northeast Nevada rifle deer tag or a Zion deer tag season of your choice?

Does that include the late muzzle? Dedicated. Tag of my choice? Yeah, tag of your choice. I love Nevada. I'd be in Nevada. Jeez. Doesn't include the late muzzle, though, huh? Because that would be tough. Yeah, it depends on how east you're going.

I don't know. That would be declared limited entry, I guess, too. That's true. Okay. Would you rather games a little off? I love it. People are getting sweaty palms here. Don't save my unit. Don't save my unit. Don't save my unit. Don't edit this podcast. Because when I leave, these guys are going to ask you to edit certain things. No, I'm not. I'll ship it through as is. Except for Jana. Run it by her. We did talk about a couple of things. We have to, yeah. Do we? We've been good. No, we've been good. All right. We've got to move this thing along. What else are we going to talk about, Bronson? I can't think of anything else. But it's kind of a February anymore is a little bit of a, I can't say it a slow month, but it somewhat is. I mean, you can apply in states like Oregon and New Mexico if you really want to. But Oregon's deadline is mid-May. And New Mexico is the 20th of March.

So might as well let Arizona come out and see if you have to alter plans, right? Unless you're Jason. Did you really apply for New Mexico? No.

I'm like, man, you're loaning them like eight grand for like an extra almost two months. I'm so excited. I don't know why. I mean, but I actually am going to have a lot less tags this year. Last year it was like. Mark the minute he said that right there. What number is this podcast? We're going to write it down. 303 or something. 303 at whatever minute. Because that is going to be played again. And it's going to be a lie. I had so many. It was. Yeah. And I'm over it. I proved I could do it. I got them. And I ate them. So anyway. Got some plans this year.

Okay. That's good enough. Well. Anyway. Did apply for Wyoming Elk. And you know, we can amend.

I can withdraw. I can withdraw. I can withdraw. I want to. That was my only request today. Don't talk about the amend. It's kind of fun. You can plug and play. I've already changed my selection three or four times. You have? Yeah. In Wyoming's just the 31st? But I want to. I want to. Just because I can. Well. I love the option to plug and play. I've been very vocal around the office about some things I've done within a 15 minute shocking period. Things I bought. Things that you guys have taught me into. You have an amazing gun with some cool imagery devices on it for wolves in precarious places. Or predators. Yeah. Texas. Or Utah. And now you're trying to give it away. Well. Not necessarily. But it's just. I did something within the 15 minutes. You know. Some people say sleep on it. Like if you get in an argument with your wife. Devin has a 30 minute rule usually. Mine's 30.

I might need more than that. But 15 minutes. If you get me within 15 minutes of a really hot good idea and a neat product. I'm very vulnerable. Yeah. And you guys pray upon that. How about those 10 by 32 EL ranges? How about those 32 EL ranges? 10 by 32. I got a pair of those too. They're unbelievable. But I will not regret those. But. May have talked you into some things. Here and there. What are you thinking of? But you're not alone. What are you thinking of? You're not alone. Like this pistol. Okay. I mean. Aaron told me he bought it. He did all the research. The ammo. And then you reminded us you also have a .45. I don't know where that came from. I don't have a .45. I thought you said you did. No. I don't. Oh. I don't have a .45. What do you have? 38s and 9s and stuff like that. Yeah. Anyway. What are you referring to, Devin? We don't need to bark up that tree.

Just talking each other into weird things. Well. Luckily, I was guiding a . . . To put in for, apply, and buy. Like what? Just . . . Tags that I find in the folder that I forgot I bought because we all decided to do that. Like Idaho? Yeah. I know. Yeah. And it was after the 75 and 50 percent refund deadline. So it was like you might as well just keep it. Yeah. Let's just say there are plenty of tags for people to get. There are plenty. People complain you can't get tags. It's not true. It's not true. I was guiding a . . . Luckily, I was guiding a desert sheep hunt November 1st because I would have bought a deer tag there. If you just had my login information, I would have bought a deer tag without my knowledge. UOTC Arizona? Yeah. How many of you, if I'd raise your hands in here, got that? Well, I mean. Yeah, I did. Everybody but me and Logan. We're excited about it. I got one.

Does anybody here have to buy? I will say I am. I am excited. I'm still excited about it. We just let January go by, but I'm still excited about it. We let January go by. We kind of have to every year. Yeah. Certain units are closed, so it's not really letting it go by. Christmas week next year or August? August in Arizona. August when every other hunt in North America is just kicking off. But we have a new fresh set of... It's like a fresh set of downs, huh? On the football field. Oh, no. We have a fresh set of quotas. Yeah, I know. But... Okay. Anyway. But anyway. Don't ruin our excitement. Well, I'm not. We're excited to eat this tag. Hey, I got one of those tags, and I didn't even give them any of my information. I don't know how they got it, but I've got one of these tags. You were laid down on a deer. Wyatt, I was in the heat of a moment.

We were trying to get a deer killed, and I'm getting a phone call. Hurry, they're selling out tags. Okay? You have a matter of minutes. Are you going to do this or not? We're all doing it. You're not. Wyatt is doing it. Adam has no missed. I had no voicemail. I had no voicemail. Dude. I had to FaceTime Devin, remember? Devin was in the field, too. I scared a lot of deer away that time because I was like, this has to be serious. Why would he FaceTime me? Wyatt's FaceTiming me. Why did it need to be FaceTime? It wouldn't go through if I called him normal. Really? He was on silent mode. I thought that took better service than just an audio call. He said he called like three times, and it wouldn't work. Then he FaceTimed me, and I get this FaceTime. I'm like, where's Wyatt? This is something. Maybe he's in trouble. CPR advisor. I don't know. Maybe Case was choking. It freaked me out.

How do you do mouth-to-mouth? I don't know, but I answered. I'm at a concert here, and it's weird getting weird. You're going to have some liability if you decide to do mouth-to-mouth. No. It's a good Samaritan law on that. You learn about that in CPR first aid. It's like you're protected. If you're doing the best, you can. You still want floaties in your blood. That's all. All right. I guess we're wrapped up. We're about there. We've got a lot of stuff to go, but I'm just going to challenge everybody. Challenge? Yeah. Just be accepted. A little bit more exciting when we talk about the Would You Rather game scenarios. Yeah. These guys brought nothing. Maybe we should have had some listeners send them in for Carter. Would You Rather? Yeah. That's a great question. Come on. That's a good send it in. Would You Rather for anybody direct it? You kind of get to know everybody a little bit.

You know their likes, tastes. I would say Would You Rather for anybody here at the table. That's what I mean. Not just me. No. Anybody. Yeah. Send them in. And then we'll give you reasons of why you chose what you chose. So more than just the answer. It could be educational. It's educational for people. Yeah. This is why. This is my thoughts behind this particular hunt or why this species this year. I like it. You know what I mean? Some years you just don't want to do antelope. But then there's some of us that do antelope every single year. I was just going to give you one. Here's a Would You Rather game. Oh, no. I've got all my Colorado points. You've got to. Would you rather a Colorado muzzleloader antelope hunt in one of the better units of the state? Come on. Come on, boss. Or? I got all my antelope points back.

That means you've got options for this year. I was busy. You've got that or?

This is not for you. This is for the listeners. Or what? Or what? Go ahead. What? A fifth mule deer tag for the year because you're about on number five if you add another deer tag. So is it a fifth mule deer tag or a muzzleloader open sight, loose powder, full bore? Bullet to bore. Bullet to bore. Loose powder, yeah. Which one are you picking?

I don't know. What tag is it? This is part of the game. You only have eight seconds. That's right. There's a gun to your head. Milder. Milder. Wyatt. There it is. Milder. Okay. It's it. All right. Milder. Well, he's on record going to mule deer tag number five. And right after he promised I'm not going to have as many mule deer tags. Ron, not all of us are after antelope like you are. Trust me. I killed three, I think, in my life. Maybe four. Big ones. Well, one. Yeah. One big one. So we call it 33%. Shot him on the run. 33. After I missed him, broadside at 300. But hey, yeah. Rainstorm. Lightning storm. Just gave him a chance. Well, that was packing him out. And Eric in Arizona contested that. That was kind of sketchy. We both. Ran. Wondered. Yeah. Told each other to tell her wife. All right. Kids, we'd love him if it happened. Yeah. Yeah. It was sketchy. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Okay.

Sounds good. I don't know what else to add to this crazy podcast. It's kind of in. We do have the February magazine out. Covers Nevada Guide, John, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah. It's pretty exciting. Utah just came out with their rigs. You can't even apply yet for quite some time. Month and a half more. 21st or something like that. Can't apply for Bear, though. Utah Bear is now open, though. Used to be kind of open at the same time. It was nice to knock them both out. Now Bear's a standalone. It's going to make all those people that think they want to put in for Bear, but they've got to buy their license to do it. Do I do this and give up the two for on the big game draw? It's a big decision for some people. If you don't know what we're talking about. Would you rather? Would you rather buy your license in February this year just to get a Bear point? Or skip a year?

Put it in April to get a two for next year. That's cool. People are laughing because they know what we're talking about. They've thought about it. I got one for Wyatt before we close. Whoa. Oh, yeah. I love it when Josh speaks. It's going to be slightly edgy. Forever, Paul. I'm worried about it. Wyatt, would you rather eat a fresh jalapeno from the garden? Oh. Wyatt. Wyatt is not a spice guy. Wyatt can't even have a little dab of pepper. I feel like they just answered a question for me. There is no pepper in Wyatt's house. Devin, you know him better than anybody. What has been his limit? His maximum spicy limit is orange chicken at Penn State. Come on. And he sweats a little. It is. We were at Outback Steakhouse and the ranch was spicy for us. Yeah. We're eating it. It was. I look at the garlic on bread. It was at the sheep show. The garlic butter on bread is too much.

You've got to wear it. This is something I can help.

It's called tough it up. Is that what the jug of milk? On a scale of what? That's what the jug of milk in the fridge is for. Not for me. That's probably the whole milk. Devin's not whole milk. Raw milk that Devin's been bringing. Uncasturized. Let's hear the option B for Wyatt. That was going to be it. A raw jalapeno or what is it? A raw jalapeno or the ranch from Outback. That was going to be it. Oh, geez. Oh, geez. Can't have either. Probably have to choke down that ranch. And then go to the hospital. I laughed so hard. I was eating it and I looked at it. I'm like, there's some red flakes. It's kind of like spicy. And I immediately looked over at Wyatt and he's just kind of playing with it. And then I said, do you guys have red flakes in your ranch? He's like, yes, I thought so. It's spicy. I'm done. That was it. Not a bite more. On a scale of zero to wimpy, how spicy was it?

I thought somebody had – I thought I put a little pepper. It was very mild. I didn't even notice. So was the bad to express orange chicken. So, I mean, it's not like I'm trying to be brave here. All right. It's time to be done. It was funny.

I liked that one, Josh. That was good. I would pay so much money to watch you eat a jalapeno. Oh, me too. I couldn't do it. Even just a slice. That's another dare I did as a kid. You might have a seizure or something. Maybe. Literally. He's already based you on. It could be detrimental. I can't decide if he's white right now because he's thinking about it or if it was Case last night. When you're up with Case tonight again and you can't sleep, just go into YouTube and query those pepper eating contests on YouTube. My boy, Ty, used to watch those. All the ghost peppers, Carolina Reapers, all those. It's next level. Yeah. The Scoville units or whatever unit of measure for hotness that they have in a pepper. I mean, it's pretty wild. Yeah. I couldn't do it. I mean, it's unbelievable to watch these guys. Anyway. All right. We don't have a code word for the optics deals, right? No.

Coming up on the expo. No. No. We talked about it. We talked about it a little bit. It's out there. We've said it. I mean, you better be a listener. But if you can't come up and partake of something that we're giving away, I don't know. Don't know what else to tell you. There's not much out there for you, I think. We joked about playing King George. Just give it away. Over the booth. We've got a bargain bin. I don't know if it'll be out front and center. But if there's something you're interested in. A little bit. Some odd stuff in there, maybe. Parts, pieces. Adapters. I'm just going to kind of clean up the office and whatever gets thrown in there. Who knows what'll end up in there. That's in addition to all the real stuff. Don't get rid of our new Phoenix lights. They're next level.

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