EP 304: Another Round of "Epic Would You Rather"' plus, Mountain Lions in the Backyard

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire Epic Outdoors crew, except for Wyatt and maybe Cash. Where's Cash? We get to talk about these two today. If you're not here and present, you can't defend yourself. I'm glad I'm here now. Pretty awesome. We came off the heels of an incredible expo and then just put out the publication, Bronson. That was brutal. John, everybody that participated, all of us here. That was brutal. It was nasty. Not going to lie. Expo was nasty. An hour and a half of sleep in the last three days. Today could get interesting. You do surprisingly well, John. You do. I don't know at what point your heart is going to give. I'm not going to give, but you do better than I think I would be. Don't go anywhere soon, boss. It's pretty unbelievable how taxing that show is, just physically and mentally, just the amount of time.

I mean, we did those a couple weeks before at Dallas and Sheep Show. You talk to people and people come by. It was two long weeks. I was tired after that, but you come home and you work a whole work week. It wasn't a big deal. But Monday, when my alarm went off, I was like, no. No. No. And Expo give you spider veins in your legs. Yeah. It changed my voice. Oh, it changes your life. You and Adam are sick. And weren't you guys taking all kinds of concoctions for the last three weeks? Elderberries. Oh, yeah. We were preparing. Probably lack of sleep, probably. I might as well have been taking Smarties. I didn't. I'm not really sick. We just both smelled some. What's those little Pez candies? Yeah. A little head comes open. Sugar pills. We were taking placebos. I still believe in the elderberry, but it let you down. Let's go around. You'd have to start back in December.

I will say, this has not got a grip on me. I've got a little bit of a sniffle. That's about all I've got. That's all you've got so far? I think I could probably say it. We're a, what, Friday? We're a week out from that. I didn't get anything during any of the shows at any time. I didn't get anything, boss. Yeah, I didn't either. How about that? Do you guys ever wash your hands? No. It works. Just kidding. It works. Trust me. If you pee on your hands, it's like some kind of antibacterial thing, you know? No, that's like if you get bit by a... I used to ask a relative of mine. You ever going to wash your hands? I didn't pee on them. Well, some of those bathrooms there, you've got to be careful. Oh, my gosh. I'm just glad I don't have to walk on those tacky floors anymore. You have to have a stiff walk going in there. If not, you'll stick to the floor. You'll get stuck. Yeah.

It's a love-hate deal because if it's too stiff, you're going to fall. That's true. That's true.

You don't want to be in the wall. If you go on the escalate around the corner and down to the next one and around the next corner, there's a little bathroom. And they're clean. Yeah. Nobody knows about them. Nobody knows about them. Yeah. Good show, though. Saw many people there. Talked to many of y'all. It was good. It was awesome. Dug out this week. Got another magazine at the printer. EMAG will be live shortly. Or probably by the time you hear this, it'll be probably live. Right? I mean, so, yeah. EMAG's out. I'm just going to say. How about that? It's out. It's live. What did we cover, Bronson? Duh. Duh. Let's see. All species in Colorado. Yeah. Sheep, goat, moose in Idaho. Yeah. Montana, deer, no. Yeah. So, it's all out there for you. Start researching. Really, the only one. Well, I guess, you know, Idaho, you can't even apply it until April, but it's done and out.

And the others, you're due first and second of April. Montana the first. Colorado the second. That's right. So, anyway. We're excited. There's a lot of, speaking of which, we've got some tools. Colorado's, it is the season. People are going to be grinding us out on deer and elk options and things like that. And we have that minimum points query. It's pretty easy. Pretty handy. We've talked a lot about it. Yeah. We used it when we talked to guys, but it's still amazing how many people don't even look at the odds or have used them and realize how much is there waiting for them. So, I encourage you to go online. You do have to log into your members only section to be able to view the odds. You can see the e-mag on there, which, like I just alluded, you're going to be able to see that roughly 10 days before you get in the mail. Two weeks sometimes. Who knows? So, check that out.

Start playing around on the minimum points query specifically to Colorado. Colorado's one of the states like Wyoming, Utah, Arizona that gives a portion of the tags to the max point holder. So, you can predictably see where those maximum point tags are being drawn. And you can set your point level wherever you're at. You know, I would recommend shaving off a couple, two, three points from where you are there to about where you're at or maybe one over you're at. Just to get a range of stuff that's either able to get or right within striking distance and then let you decide how aggressive you want to be. I mean, anyway, very good tool. Set it from three to five or from eight to ten points or whatever and set the season. If you want to do that, second or third or fourth for deer. I love plugging and playing on that thing. I just have fun with it.

Even Arizona, there were some guys, I don't really want to just hunt kaibab or the strip and looking at some other options. There's a minimum points query for that. And it's pretty awesome. Throw in three to ten points, you'd be surprised. You know, there's a couple of decent options down there. So, anyway, a lot of moisture going on too. We're excited about that. More moisture in the forecast. I kind of don't like that word moist. Anyway. Precipitation. Precip. Precip. And then, I guess just before we leave the expo talk, John, maybe give us a quick rundown on our tripods. We blew out of them, like literally hundreds of them. I like what Adam said. I had somebody call me while we were there and said, hey, I want a tripod, set it aside for me. Of course, we were busy. And I thought, there's just no way we're going to sell through everything. So, I wasn't even worried about it.

And then, Adam had people that same thing. And he said, I just thought we weren't at risk. I could stop by. Yeah. I told somebody to stop by the office now, I'm going to be like. What the? Even Thursday, we blew through more than half of our inventory on one day. And I was like, this is crazy. And we sold out. We sold out. We sold the demo models. This is the large, the older one. Josh wouldn't let me sell the last demo. No. The very last one. I'm like, turn to Bronson. I'm like, geez. Because here's what's going to happen. I thought everything's for sale. One of his cronies is going to come in here. And I'm going to get cussed. Because like, where's that tripod? You moron. You sold that. It's your discretion, boss. Might be clear. I sense a little animosity already. It hasn't even happened. I could see the future.

But I think it was really rewarding because you spend a lot of time on development. We spent over a year developing this tripod, taking all of our pet peeves and developing a tripod that we wanted to use. And it's validating when other people see it and use it and say, hey, you guys hit a home run. I had three texts after the show that people took the tripod out, used it, and said, you guys have hit a home run. We had a significant friend of ours that go down and glass up sheds with it this weekend right after he left the expo. And it was like, he's like, dude, this is legit. And then we have another good buddy of ours that threw our little gun clamp on there. Gun clamp. And anyway, he was using his crossbow with it. So it's freaking awesome. So I don't know. Pretty awesome. We still have the light, the backpacker, the light tripod in stock.

The Ultra, which is the larger one, one you can stand up and glass with. That's the one we sold out of. But it's not going to be for long. We already had a big order in before we were. If you're 6'5", you probably aren't standing up with that big one. 6'5". 6'3". Yeah. How about 5'10"? I'll tell you, Josh. 6'5", yeah. You are? Yeah. You could do it with an adapter. Yeah, but he's ankle, so he's fine. Oh, yeah. That's true. Exactly. He's a crooked guy. He drops that. He drops that. Can you fit in a super cover? Have you ever tried? I don't know if you've ever tried. I haven't. This is going to be interesting. Based on what I've heard for this year and where you're going, you might need to figure that out. I know we used to fly. Are you 6'5", with shoes on? Because we might have to take those shoes off. Yeah, I have to.

I know we used to fly for the DWR, and we'd crawl in there next to those pilots and those little planes. And he was grabbing things and pulling things, and I was having to move body parts so he could fly those things. It was terrible. It was the longest four hours of your life. Okay. So anyway. But the good news is. Before we even left to the expo, we already had another big order in. We had launched these a couple of months ago, obviously, and we'd been selling them online. But obviously, people seeing them in their hands and using them, that kind of sealed the deal at the expo for a lot of people. And so, blew out of them. But we already had the others. They're already, you know, on route, I guess we'll call it that. So anyway, should have April sometime, which well in advance.

We stocked up knowing that we wanted a big supply going into the summer scouting and obviously the hunting season. So don't be too alarmed. We'll send a big email out. We'll probably announce it here on the podcast, I'm sure, as soon as we get them. We do have a few of the lights left. Not many. I mean, it's only a handful. We are keeping a list. So if anybody out there wants one, of course, we'd charge a card, right, Josh? Yes. Yeah. If you're wanting one and you know you want one, if you saw one at the show or your friend saw one, whatever, don't delay. Just call in and get on the list and we'll take your money. And as soon as they come in, you'll be the first one to get it. Managing a pre-order list is no joke. It's so, anyway, we just want, if you're super serious about it, call in. We'd love to get you on the list. It's your one way you can guarantee you'll get one. Yeah. Yeah.

And if you're into speculation, maybe pick up a couple. Who knows? It might be. Scalpel. You know? Yeah. It's going to be like toilet paper and COVID. What are we doing here? Yeah. It's just, it was shocking that we sold out. Tickets to a Taylor Swift show. Hundreds of tripods just gone when we'd forecasted we might have them for a couple months. So you never know. Yeah, and then upsell them a little bit. That was the other thing people didn't know either. We haven't had a chance to really do a video or talk about a lot of the other pieces we have, too. We've got some phone holders that were really awesome. You don't think you need or know that you want one of those until you do need one. And to have something in your pack that weighs nothing that you can throw your phone on to get some trophy photos. Used all mine this year on my coos deer. Yeah. You're helped by yourself.

Yeah, we used it, like I used it on your hunt when we filmed that, you know, some of that stuff to do with the kill stuff. Oh, that's right. When we all get in there, got in there so nobody gets left behind. And who's the sacrificial, you know, camera photo taker that's not going to be part of the group photo. We were racing light and I only had my big camera. I didn't have time to get clear back of the truck and get back up there. So we threw the phone on real quick because I had that adapter. We've got a gun clamp, vinyl clamp. The window freaking mount we blew out of. Yeah, we sold out of the window mount. Before the expo. Right? Yeah, we took two of them, I think. We took two or three to the expo. That was embarrassing. I mean, and then all of a sudden, you know, when you can't get something, you want it more. And I mean, geez, how many people do we tell no about that? Yeah.

It's kind of crazy tough. So anyway, we've got those on order too. Everything's ordered. Got a big, big, we aren't going to sell out before that, so I'm just going to put it that way. Yeah. No joke. Okay. What else? We're good, right? We covered that. We're good. I mean, if you're in the market for a tripod, this is a good one. Well, it's $466 for the tall one. It includes the head. Everything. It was funny. When you were helping anybody up there, they'd go grab the bigger one, the ultra one, and the first word out of their mouth was, whoa. Just like the weight of it, you know, with the head. You can still blast with the BTX on it. Yep. Pretty mind-blowing. And the way that head, I showed several guys, but it's pretty awesome. With the head on there, we've got the fluid filled enough that you can tip it one way or another. To return. And the return, and it won't actually rock back.

All that weight on the eyepiece, it'll rock back, and then it'll kind of slow down, but it won't all the way max out, so it's not going to fall. It's pretty wild. I've needed that for the last 20 years. Me too. That BTX, it'll return that BTX. Yeah. When it's loose, that BTX will return. That return tension is next level, but it doesn't also, it doesn't fight you when you're glassing. No, it really doesn't. No. So, anyway, pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. Short-handled, rated 11 pounds, so is the little head. You know, and that tripod's three pounds, eight ounces, the large one. The little one's two pounds, seven ounces. Yeah. With a head. With a head, yeah. And it's a smaller head. I've had people ask us that. If the head's the same on both, no. Well, they're smaller. Very fluid on both, but the one's smaller as you would anticipate on a backpack or light tripod.

And it's truly, Bronson, like we were, I mean, we have our little favorite get-sos from back in the day. Go try to buy that. Go try to buy that. I mean, you and I bought the same one. I've had to use more JB Weld on that thing over the years now. It's just going to get retired. My kids are always like, Dad, I'm just going to take this one. No, you're not. That one's been on a lot of sheep hunts here and there. So, anyway, I think it's awesome where we did that one. One thing that frustrates me back in the day from buying heads in other places is they make a new model all the time. And you can't find the one that you liked. And you finally settled in on this one particular model or whatever. And then you've got to go to a different head. And it's a totally different experience, yada, yada. Anyway, so here you are. Tripod head. We like and adore. And it's very affordable.

I'm done with that. Bronson, take us to the next. Did anybody win an expo tag here since we're talking about expo? Anybody? No. At this table? No, I don't know. Just threw it out there. No. There's people on the list that have had two or three expo tags in the past. They're just lucky people. Luck finds people mysteriously. It's not found me yet. You know what's interesting about that? We looked at the odds. They've got the odds at the bottom of the list and whatnot. But we've been talking about this, Bronson, is you're just playing raffles. And you've just got to have your name in them. Many hats as you can. Somewhat affordably. You don't deserve one of the tags. Nobody deserves a tag that goes there odds-wise. But, hey, there's 200 and something names at the end of them. I mean, I did throw in the turkeys and the cow elk. But, I mean, yeah, 100.

We started adding up the amount of money that was spent on those tickets. And it was a little bit staggering. But, you know what? I don't give two craps. I had to pay double to just have my name in the hat for some of those tags. Really, you think about it. For a raffle, it's for the price and stuff. What it is. I mean, it's relatively inexpensive. It's awesome. But to get shut down by Arizona and the expo in the same week. I went from batting 1,000 to zero. You still might get a call. No, I'm not. What did somebody call it later on? A turn back tag. You've been offered a tag from Arizona in the past. Okay, turn back tags don't really count. But, I mean, it's not the same as, boom, my card just got smacked. You don't get the exhilaration. You don't get the wahoo moment. It's like when it's strike two and you think it's three and you walk off and they yell at you.

Dude, you've got one more chance. You're like, oh, here we go. It's not the same. But if I draw my next one, I'm going to be batting about 200 now. So, I'm going to have like four strikeouts before I get my first hit. Just psychologically, my ears off to the bat. This is the best part. Just correct me if I'm wrong. I love this. Does anybody know if Adam has a single availability week? Well, this is the best part about all of this. I have plenty of availability. How many times have we heard? Any state agency that's listening to this right now, crush me with whatever you want. Give me all you got. I'll take New Mexico. I'll take four tags. What I think is funny is he applied for expo tags that he said he would turn back. Before we won. Before the private came out. Well, well. Before they even drew any names, he's like, Wyatt, I'm turning that one back.

Wyatt got us scared once that there was like an order of when they drew the expo tags. Like elk, for instance. Like there's a lot of elk tags that are ranked from like beaver to wasatch. Those are just simply alphabetical. But if you draw two, they'll let you choose. Yeah, but Wyatt put it into our minds. But what if you drew a late fish lake tag before you drew the beaver early? Okay, that would be it. I wouldn't want that to happen. So we actually called and got very enlightened on this fact. Like the odds are one in three or four thousand. I know, but some people have it. But Wyatt, if one person is going to think about it, this is Wyatt. So he caused us to call. We called. They are all 200 independent drawings. You can draw all 200. You could draw all 200 tags. And they'll let you choose. All right. If that happens, you get to pick.

So when that was made clear to us, yeah, I went and threw another 50 bucks. That's my point. He got a little creative. And then he's like, Wyatt, I've turned this one back. I don't even know. I have buyer's remorse. And I said, Adam, here's the $5 that would cost you. I don't even have it. I'm going to give you the $5. And we're going to call it a day. But what was that? That was pretty solid before Arizona results came out. And then Arizona starts charging cars. And he would want two of those tags. The next day. And Wyatt was fast clicking on the expo back then, trying to just see if they were coming out. Well. Did anyone beat him today at seeing the list come out? Oh, I think we did. He was on the phone. We did. He was on the phone. I grabbed my phone. That's been my goal. I had a text and said they're about to go hot. I hit refresh. All day yesterday, Wyatt was refreshing. All day.

Even after they said, it's not going to be until tomorrow. It's not going to be until tomorrow. He doesn't take anybody's word for it. He's like, yeah, well, that's Adam. He's like, yeah, Josh. These people don't know anybody in the game of fish.

I cried wolf a few times yesterday. So Wyatt tunes me out on stuff like that now. He didn't even listen. He quietly said. He tunes me out. Dude, I haven't seen him come out yet. It's always Thursday. He's over there just hitting refresh like crazy. The good thing is that guy checks a lot of people's apps. He's on it. He is. He is on it. The moment it comes out. Should we be calling him? Yeah. He's calling him. Huh? Call the governor. Are you set with the questions you're going to ask him? Yep. We're going to do a would you rather boss. Well, didn't you? One of you guys said you had a good one for him? Yeah, you did. Did I? Yes, you did. There was a special. No, I give it to you and I thought you wrote it down. Well, I kind of might have somewhere. Okay. I'll hit him with me. But you know, but you got to come up with the alternate to that unit. I got it. Okay. Here we go. I'm going to.

It's going to be an open-ended would you rather? You think he's going to answer? He's on his way to his homeland. The governor returns. He's going to be ahead of meeting with the mayor.

Hey, I've got a license app guy. Can we add him in here? Patch him in. Patch him in and he's got a question for you. You got a license app guy that has a question for me? Yeah. Can we put him on real quick? Okay. Okay, Adam, go ahead. His name's Adam. My name is A.R. Bronson. I'd like to ask you a question. Would you rather? Oh, we're playing would you rather?

Well, just we know you're heading back to the homeland. Yeah. And you might have a little bit of time on your hands. So we thought we'd let you join the game with us. So being that you crushed a giant mule deer last year, it's been well documented. Those at the expo saw the beast and beheld the beast there. It was amazing. It's an amazing deer. You're now back to the zero points on elk. Well, first off, would you rather put in for elk or animal? What are you doing? Answer that. I'm going to go with elk. Okay. All right. This is right. He's playing. You're playing right into my hands here. Perfect. That's where I thought you'd go. So would you rather pick a, because I think you're going to play the odds, because if I know you're right, why in this five year wait, or is it three? I can't remember on mule deer. Three? Or is it five on mule deer? What'd they change it to? Three? It's five.

Five. Now like elk. Okay. So you got five years in your mind. You're going to want to go back to deer in five years. So I'm thinking you're going to want to be somewhat aggressive in your, these next five years of elk applications. So would you rather play, pick any, the best, call it the best, your favorite December archery elk hunt in the state, or a open sight hams on like a Barney top. Where are you going for that? I'm going with the open sight hams because elk aren't made to be hunted in December. Wow. Okay. Well, that was very definitive. Except you have to use your new 10 mm. That's it. You got a pistol. What else? Could you use that? No. Are those legal? No, but that's where our extra tag comes in. We're going to have a poaching reward. Oh, okay. I'm like, good plan. 10 mm. We're going to have a poaching reward permit coming our way. Just tell us where you're going to go, Wyatt.

Well, all right. That was quick. That was quick. And this is a guy that hunted 45 minutes on his last archery elk tag in Nevada. And shot a .370s bull. 45 minutes. How much time did it take him to kill his deer on the Henrys? Well, we gave it to him. It was called 12 hours. 14 hours. Everybody got to eat lunch. It was like 1.30, 1 or 2. So 6, 8 hours. First day. 6 or 7 hours. Not counting 40 days of scouting. You're no joke. You don't mess around. You're no joke, boss. But you didn't even give thought to those December hunts. I mean, think about it. Wyatt, you've hunted Pavant. You've hunted Monroe. You've hunted San Juan. You've hunted. Where else? The best units in the state. Where haven't you hunted? You didn't even pause to think about it. I've also packed elk out in knee-deep snow. And it's just somewhere I don't want to be. Dutton? I mean, you've hunted. Could I get you?

Could I get you? What would it? Okay, here's the game. What would it take to get you on Dutton, late archery, Wyatt, to actually apply for that hunt? Ugh. Because we know your love affair with that mountain. I have nothing. All right. There's no amount of money is what you're saying. Maybe like a white mountain tag to follow up. Wasn't it you and Devin that had the late Dutton story? That was in January. Where you guys were like, you went downtown. I failed. You went to the store. I failed. I had to transfer to business law because of that hunt. What? In college. Didn't you go to the store and then you came out and kind of waited at the trailhead? I can't remember this. Well, it was either that or we drove snowmobiles three miles in mud because of snow. It was a long day. And you both vowed that day. I was over it. And you've never been back. Is that true?

Neither of you have been back since? I have not been back. What year was that? I don't know. Wyatt has a better memory than me. Wyatt? 2017 or 16? Oh, not that long ago then. Jeez. 2016, there was good bucks in Nevada. Well, anyway, Wyatt, well, you played good. I guess that's all we got. I guess that's what we got. All right. Game's over. Do you have a would you rather for Adam? Where are you heading tonight? I don't know that I have one on the fly for Adam. Oh, you do. Oh, I'm sure you guys have grilled him out. Oh, we haven't even played. You're the first one to play today. Oh, the very first one. So, I'm sure you guys have some good stuff for it. Well, we'll find out, I guess. But we just wanted to call you since you're heading back to the homeland. Did you go grab Case? No. No, I didn't. No. So. All right. Did you go through Delta? What do you do? Yeah.

Devin wants to know why you left so early on a Friday afternoon after the expo and after a wonderful week of work here in the office. Yeah. I've got to score an elk before the game tonight. Oh. So. It's a big one? Yeah. I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know. Pope and Young or? Yeah. That I don't know. Okay. He's playing dumb right now. We just didn't know if this was going to be Case's big reveal, like Simba on Lion King, if you were going to take him up on stage at Pride Rock and produce him. Back to the crowd. Back to the hometown. No, that's not going to happen. Okay. Well, enjoy your night up there at the banquet in Nephi. Win something good and tell us all about it when you come back. All right. Sounds good. All right. Talk to you later. Bye. Later.

All right. Well, that was kind of.

I don't know. He wouldn't take. It'd take 25 G's to get him on that mountain. Yeah. That's what he basically said. It's not going to happen. All right. All right. Where are we at? Where are we out there, then? I had a guy text in. Hmm? You know, the last podcast, we had a little bit of a would you rather. And I've got one here. For Jason. No, it's not for me. It is. I've got one for Jason.

It says, would you rather for Jason a 241, 245 muzzleloader deer or a Colorado 44 fourth season deer? Oh, yeah. 240s. 240s Nevada. You can make it happen. Well, Bronson, you know. Yeah.

What do we think of 44 fourths, Bronson? If they ain't there, you can't hunt them. But Nevada, muzzleloader, you got a few bow hunters, chase them. Last year, they killed a couple good ones. But last year, man, you'd want that tag over any tag. Any tag. Pretty much. Yep. In the state. In the west. My final answer. Yeah, that was easy. One thing about the fourth on any of these hunts is they're either hunted really hard or they're dead. You know what I mean? I feel like the fourth was designed to be really special. And I think it is a special experience. I killed a big buck on one of the fourths when they first kind of got going with that on 35, 36. But anyway, since then, you know, that second and third is kind of where it's at. And then by the fourth. Especially in a unit like 44 where people burn a lot of points as a non-residence or resident.

They're putting a lot of resources in those second and third season hunts. And so like two years ago, 2022 or last year, year before, they crushed a bunch of big bucks on all the second and the third and then the fourth too. Conditions were right. It was ripe and it wasn't ripe this last year and nor was it, you know, anyway. It can show you how one year can, you know, you can cream out some bucks in a good snow year. There's nothing like 44. I mean, it's awesome. No question about it. But that muz, you can definitely make it happen. You can scout heavy in the summer and you're going to be hunting great bucks. Especially on a year like this. It's going to be next level, I think. Don't you guys? Oh, yeah. I think so. Okay, I got one for Adam too. Come on. Adam, there's this guy asked the same one. He said, Nevada muddy sheep or S33 Colorado sheep? That's an interesting question.

As of 2024, I would go to S33 Colorado. I want, really bad, a mountain rocky in my collection, I guess. I've been fortunate to draw in California, Bacorn, and Oregon. That finished was the ramp to go towards my slam. But I've not drawn a mountain rocky. I want a mountain rocky, not even a river gorge rocky. So I'm putting up a lot of units where I can do that in the mountains. And the muddies are just not the same place right now. They've been crushed. Good luck. You're talking desert versus rockers. Good luck killing a 160 ram in the muddies right now. That's right. I mean, good luck. Good luck. Like, you'd ask me that eight or ten years ago when we were killing the 175, 180s down there. I'd have guessed that. But right now, I've been there enough. Most people have. It's amazing how it cycles. It's just amazing how it cycles. I'll take the rocky. That S33 has had a lot of pressure.

It has. It's been, it's not gotten easier, that's for sure. No. It's been tougher. Yeah, that's right. But it is a rocky. It's been one of our, one of our life's, I smoked an awesome ram there last year. Yeah. So anyway, and it's a, it's in the mountain. It's a, a mountain hunt. I want, I'm getting older. I want one of those. I just want to hunt that style. Wyoming, Colorado, some places in Montana, you know, Idaho. That, that, that kind of a rocky is what I really want to do. I want to do one of those. So. I've got one for Devin. Ooh, yeah. Bring it on. A 230 inch typical mule deer out of Nevada. What? Typical? That doesn't, what are we playing? Option A. Avatar? Just making stuff up now? I'll take it. Deal. Okay. All right. Then you're giving up the 2006 double cab Toyota Tundra with 10,000 miles on it. That's fine. I'll take the deal. Wow. I'm kind of shocked. No, I'm just teasing.

I mean, I'm just saying you like those Toyotas. Toyotas. I mean, I'd sell for a 198 if I'm good. What could we get? What's a good option for Logan here? What's some good would you rather game? What are some good? I don't know Logan well enough to know what trips his trigger. He wants an Arizona elk. Ask him maybe. I do. I have. No charges on your card there? I have $700 in my account that I wish I didn't have. Oh, crap. You had it ready to cover. Put it toward the gun. It's going right toward you. Right back into the gun account. You messed up, bro. Elk.

We'll run it right after we get done with the podcast. Right back into the gun account. We even take the scum. Okay. What do you put in for in Utah? What limited species do you do? Elk or deer? Right now. What have you been doing? I'm doing deer right now. Okay. I had a would you rather, and I might cut this out after, but we'll see. Well, there's no cutting here. Oh, okay. We're going full bore. Would you rather a... Who's this directed to? Anybody. Anybody. Maybe Jason specifically, but anybody. John's a good one. John. Okay. My bad. Would you rather Utah, late muzzleloader, beaver, or southwest desert? Southwest desert. Why is that bad? Why was that a bad one? That's a good one. Southwest desert. Because that's the holy land for Beaver County people. Nobody knows about that place. That's a secret. John. Okay. Start working on Josh's would you rather. Because this is... He's ready.

He's primed. He's ready. Okay. I'm going to... I got it. But heaven does start on the other side of the tracks there, Mel. Right? It's true. That's what everybody said. That's what everybody knows. A lot of home. So anyway, southwest desert, the late muzzle on good years, two or three out of the five tags will kill 200 inches. Yeah. For a general... Yeah. I mean, a general unit. Limited entry in nature as far as the late muzzle. Yeah. But it's next level. Yeah. Okay. Even on a tough year like last year, they did good. For local knowledge. With local knowledge. What'd they kill? Last year? Yeah. Oh, I think the best one I heard it coming out of there was a mid-190s. Hold on. I need to know what Beaver County local knowledge means. Does that mean that the border goes into 231? Dude, at the next rack, if you show up at the next rack or a Beaver SFW, you're going to get shanked.

That's what I was going to tell him. You're going to go to the Flying J and get shanked. They don't mess around. Back behind the Wendy's. These are our people. I skirt around Beaver County. I mean, I... You don't stop at Wendy's ever back in that alley? Probably shouldn't going forward. If you're an elk or a deer, you do not want to be hunted by Beaver County. It's true. Because it's open all year long. Josh! You don't have a chance. They'll kill you whenever. This feels like Jason Aldean at a small town. It smells like a song. I might be removing myself from Josh's podcast. I got one for Josh. Would you rather sleep a day on Beaver Main Street on the ground like a homeless folk person or in Dallas by the Kent Bailey? Oh, the Dallas underpacks. What's it going to be? I basically did for five days. I'd say probably... Probably Beaver. Yeah. See, Beaver is a great place.

Just didn't hope that somebody would throw me a chunk of curd out the window. It is known for cheese curd. I'm not going for a minute. Yeah.

Logan, this is for you. Since we're going to get off of that subject, got Garfield and Beaver County rivalry going over there strong. Logan, would you answer your own question? Which one of those two would you take? Ask somebody from Beaver County. Beaver, late muzzle, Southwest Desert, late muzzle.

I'd probably nine times out of ten. A little bit less than that. I'd probably take the Beaver. Beaver sucks. Really? No, it doesn't. Seven? Seven out of ten times? Yeah. Okay. Interesting. It'd be tough. It'd be really tough. All right. That's very interesting. Wow. Did you guys see that Remy Warren got a late muzzle off of Pine Valley? Congratulations, Remy. Hopefully he kills a good buck. Oh, he will. He's a good honor. All right, Josh. Here's one for you. I thought I already had one. We're moving on. Is this what you did, Jay? You asked that one in a minute. Oh.

Go ahead. Let's do. Would you take. I'll do deer versus elk. Ponds archery deer. Ponds got archery deer versus pengwich archery elk. Well, I already answered this last time. No, there was some similarities. It wasn't both archery, different species, different units.

Oh, that's a tight one. I don't know.

I know what ideas. You've already killed a Fahundo. I know, but there's even more in your life.

They're all dead. You got four seconds. That's right. The tag is going to be issued to the next guy. About to light on fire. This is an alternate. After five seconds, it goes to an alternate. I'm taking the elk tag. You are? Archery? Me too. Me too. You are? I like deer more. Just the Ponds. Devin's going to say this. That archery season is just kind of. It's awesome. What do you think? It's 28 in. 28 days. The Ponds is not my favorite place to hunt archery deer. Something about slow rolling the pines you hate? No. I don't like jumping out and trying to intercept and trying to flange. You use techniques that are used in the pit maneuver. He's not even talking about hunting the deer. He's just talking about outmaneuver guys. He's just talking about getting to where you want to be in the dark. Yes. I mean, it's just a joke. You found a big buck, Devin? Yeah. Devin, you found a giant.

A lot of people knew about that deer. You found one of the best bucks on the unit. I've seen it on Instagram four times today. Me and Logan put it on Tic Tac. Me and Jude. Do you remember that? That buck went 220-something. I think you misjudged him slightly. Slightly. Well, he grew. I thought he was going to be like in the 90s. And we're like, and this thing hits the ground? Yeah, his one kicker turned into like two. It was kind of disgusting. But it's also in a place, to my point, how much competition was around that deer? I don't know. I wasn't there. He was dead. Here's an example. If you had to guess. I love this. If you had to guess. How many people? Oh, a dozen? Eight of them. Bag holders? I don't know. There was friends and family that showed up on that deer within a week of when you had him glassed up. Yes.

I heard when he died, he had moved a long ways probably because of pressure. Yeah. But with that, Ponce Archery, every deer I found, because we were hunting a muzzleloader after the archery. Every single top, call it top five or six deer. They're dead or wounded. They were dead or wounded. Yeah. So, archery's a big deal. You want to be there on the archery. You do. It's just also, I like to glass and spot the stock. And I would agree with you as long as you go with me on the outcome. Okay. I think he'd go with you, but I'm wondering, would he give you the big one? I don't have any big ones to give you. If he doesn't have the tag with you, it's different than going with you or going with you with him having the tag. It changed me, though, hunting. That's a good point. I'm close to drawing that, and I don't know. I don't know. It did change you a little bit.

Well, you're going 48 miles an hour. That's pretty fast for me on a dirt road. And it's never fast enough. I don't know who you people are. If you go faster, it'll be smoother. If you go faster, it'll be smoother. Oh, trust me, dude. I'm talking drifting. Drifting. You did? It didn't matter. You did? You had to. Oh. Yeah. It's just a different culture. It is. Did you win? And then I go to the Henry's, and we had a blast. And I love that. Yeah. It was a whole different deal. There's about, what, a third of the tags? Or a fourth. Or even on general. Yeah, a lot less. I mean, hunting the general, a lot of the time, you don't see a headlight in the morning. You know what I mean? Not there. Yeah. You're getting lit up. This next year, though, it's going to change. Who knows what else? I think the pressure's going to be amped up a little bit on the Henry's. Oh, yeah. Do you? Yeah.

It just seems like there's a little more. The tag numbers aren't changing. Nope. So what do you mean? Nope. But people expect a little bit more. I don't know. Had a good year. I think people are. Well, that mountain just needs moisture. It's good when it gets good moisture. And it's more susceptible than a lot of every other unit in the state, probably. It's a desert. It pops out of the desert out there. You don't get a big, big winter, a good winter. Those mountains get missed, even when it's a decent winter out there sometimes. So anyway. It was pure white not very long ago. A lot of snow on that sucker. What are you saying? Would you like to make a projection? The three-year-olds are going to grow a lot. Yeah. That's right. It's like last year. There was a bunch of four- to maybe five-year-old deer that got killed that were great bucks. Great bucks. Anyway. Any more games? John.

That was pretty fun. John needs one. I like it when you have. John needs one. I've got one for John. I like it when Devin gets riled up. John, we'll get him riled up. Riled up? What are you talking about? Pumpkin patch on Pine Valley with hunters above you and below you.

All right, Bronson. Hit King John. Would you rather a desert sheep tag? Oh. Yes.

Or? You drawn a desert or Kate drawn a desert? Oh. Oh. Because every dad wants their kid. He picks his only daughter, though. Oh, man. Well, he's the one that says all young people shouldn't be able to ever draw. Since she's under 30, she should not be allowed to draw a desert sheep tag. Or even apply. No, she should be able to apply. It's only for 15 years. Yeah. But you're going to put in your time. Yeah. I'm just seeing 70, 80-year-olds that can't draw. Didn't have a great hunting life? No. 70-year, 80-year-olds that could kill multiple deer? Never killed a sheep. What luck? See, 70- or 80-year-olds had it made. See, my favorite argument is when these old guys, but they're like, they want special treatment when they're old. And they killed so many more deer than we ever thought of. They killed so many more big deer than we ever thought of killing.

They killed so many deer for grandma and grandpa. Dude. They hung five in trees. They had the most amazing hunting career ever. 50s and 60s. And then when they're 70, they're like, geez, all those old guys abound. What do you mean? Give me five of your years, boss. Give me five of them. That's right. So, John, if you were King, you're saying, if you were King John. King John. King John.

He moved up there. They didn't have an HOA. He's wanting to start one. John's starting an HOA so he can have some clout. Authority. The gavel. You can't have a rooster? What do you mean you can't have a pig in your backyard? This is a Cedar City HOA. I think this is the freaking zoo. We do have a lion back here. I was going to say, have you talked about that on a podcast of your backyard? No. Did we play that video ever? Did you ever? What? No, we haven't. We haven't played it. Did we ever play the video? Plug in. Yeah. Yeah, okay. This is crazy. Wait, wait. How about would you rather? So. On the table. Let's finish that. Yeah. To heck with Kate, you're smashing the ram. So also, so for the first time we were talking about, you know, our website, I have, drawing a desert sheep has been so far out in the future. I've just never even thought about it.

Just put in for where I want and thought, you know, random odds. So tell me if I'm wrong. I finally went and I've got 22 points. Right? I counted. I like it. In the unit that I'm applying in. Which is what? There are 56 people above me. And they draw how many? Two or three above you? I'm only, yeah, max is like 26. And they draw two or three above you a year roughly. Yeah. There's, I think, two tags. Two plus maybe every occasion only a random one goes above you. So we're talking. 15 or 20 years to get rid of those people. That's about. 28 years. Well, you're 56 people. How many people? 50. You need to watch what you're eating. Yeah. You might not. You might not make it. That's what I was going to say. You've got to L. That's where my would you rather question comes in, John. Yes. Okay? I mean. We're dropping a tear down. Or maybe two or three. You need to eat your Cheerios.

A heart healthy. Yeah. I just think. Realistically, I don't know if I'm. What do you mean? If you ever. If I ever draw before I'm dead. Change your units. Would you rather a Henry Mountains or an Escalante tank? A Henry Mountains. This is all desert sheep. Henry Mountains. Or Escalante. I don't know. I think. Johnson. I think if. You'd be better able to answer that. Would you rather guide somebody? Really? Right. Would you rather guide somebody? What I'm trying to get out of John. I would take John anyway. I know. But what I'm trying to get out of him is what happened in 2007. Okay. And it wasn't pretty. No. And it wasn't pretty. He swore in blood. It never happened again. He had a flask. He had a flask of goo in one hand and a picture of his family in the other. And he made it. He made it out. It's true. So I had never been or had that experience.

And being young, I would do things a lot different. What would you do? Well, we were 30-something and we just thought. We were carrying video gear. Throw it all in your pack. Tents, extra shiz. Yes. I had video cameras. I had a tripod. We took in those Leaf River trail cameras. They weigh four pounds. Well, Ds and C batteries. I know. So we talk about our tripods weighing 2.7 pounds. The tripod I took was 10 pounds alone. Just the tripod. What? But you wanted to get good video. My pack was 77 pounds. Mine was too, but. Did you bring water? I was the hunter. We had a filter. With a 10-pound gun. Yeah, and you had a gun. Oh, I had everything. Yeah. Gun. Spotters. Everything. And 10 days of provisions. Like, we were all in there for 10. And camera gear and video stuff. Me, you, Chris. Bronson. Yeah. Your wife. Your brother. Yeah, it was fun. It was. Yeah. It was.

It was a next-level experience. The only place I've ever been. So how did you end up with a flask and a photo of your family at what point? Okay. Well, we sucked it. Come on. This was on the way out. Well, this is before energy drinks. And goo was the energy. Remember the goo? Oh, yes. I take those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shots of caffeine. I have them in my pack frame. John OD'd on it. I did. It was next level. We hiked. How many miles? Up a river. 20-something each way. It's like 18 or something each way. Yeah. And we're hiking. I've got a 77-pound pack. And I'm not used to that. You know? And we're hiking up a river. Well, not only that. You were working out, but then you quit. But yeah, I had some magazine stuff. I was stuck in the office pretty much. Like before, I would be like, no, I'm not. So on the way out with the dead sheep now. So you're not that much lighter.

You have, we're spreading the load with the sheep cape, sheep meat, sheep head. I mean, I don't know who I would want now. But you know, you're not like, oh, we just ate a week of food and we're all light coming out. John. Going in was worse for me than going in by four. Oh, yeah. It was. We were lighter. Because I burned all. Now you burned some stuff, John. I burned all of my gear that was. So I decided there was a threshold. So Adam and I are like, we're packing up. And we're burning our trash. Like just a little trash fire. Yeah. Burn your mountain house, you know. And we look over there. Just stuff that is literally combustible. And it's like a forest fire. 20 yards away. John's got a bonfire of his belongings. Pretty soon we thought we're going to get dropped by retarded at some point. Because it's been reported. Old underwear. Sleeping bag. It was under $100 in value it got burned.

Literally. John had a threshold. I had the clothes that were on my back. No other clothes. This is no joke. You're literally like. Oh, literally. I don't need a toothbrush. I don't need this. No. Anything that was under $100. So I kept my backpack, my sleeping bag, and my tent. Tripod? And that dang tripod. Okay. I almost swore. But every other piece. Yeah. And the video equipment. We didn't know it until it's. No. There was 30 pounds of something. You know. The atmosphere. You make some bad decisions. And people might stop you if they know. You just got to start burning. So. Adam and I. We looked over. And we were like. You know. There were flames. Two. Eight feet high. We were good with it. I mean. We do. You're literally feeling bad. You're like. I got to get rid of this shit. Or I'm not going to make it. Or I'm not going to make it. Well, it was that. It was live from death.

You're going back. It was 16 or 18 miles. It was the only place I've ever hunted. Where I thought. If I. Get separated from the group. And have to walk out by myself. I don't know if I'm going to make it. I would say he wouldn't. It was aggressive. There's a certain route in. Yeah. And if you miss it. You're stuck. You're done. You're done. You're not. And it wasn't an easy route. No. I mean. At some points. We can laugh about it now. But it was no joke. On the way out. Picture. The two motivating factors in life. The goo. And how do I ration this to get me out. And the other is. How do I want to see these people. That's my family. Again. I'll tell you what. And there was a sand slide at the end. And I mean. It's no joke either. It's straight up. And it's sand. For a mile. It's like a sand. It's like a sand. I don't know. Up. To get out. One step up. Two steps down.

And once you get up on top. Then you roll to the truck. But I mean. I beat everybody the truck. I tell you that. From the goo? I don't know. I don't know how he did it. I don't know. But it was. It might have been. It might have been that his pack was 33 pounds. We were all 60. I mean.

So anyway. That's why when I threw out. A tier two or three unit. Yeah. It was the Henry's or the Escalante. It was just an honest question. And the Henry's is no joke either. It is. It is. That's what I want to ask. But these are. Would you rather guide. The Henry's or the Escalante. Now this last year. It happened to be. It worked out. It happened to work out. But the Escalante is also. The minute it doesn't work out. John. The Escalante is also not at all like it used to be. There's a lot more sheep on the fringes of that unit now. Yeah. That's where everybody's killing the sheep. No. Yeah. But. I mean. But. You wouldn't even go in the middle. The heart. Yeah. If you wanted to kill a big gram. You would. Yeah. And we could go right back. And I think. I think it would be different. Just. They make some real good goos nowadays. Yeah. I mean like. Different flavors. Donut flavored.

Carbuck spot. Yeah. Anyway. Well think on that John. You've got about a month. Okay. And then we're going to make. We're going to make something happen. We're good at. I'm ready. We're good at burning people's points around here. We're really good at that. On good stuff that they want. Do you want to kill a sheep or not? That's right. Heck yeah. I could put you in for the Dirty Devil Archery if you want that. Yeah. Yeah. We know some people that have done that. Yeah. They still have their tag. They mounted it.

Just saying. All right. Where are we at? We were going to talk about when we were in Vegas. Who's we? In the truck. All of us. Okay. And John said dude check this video out. Oh. That I got on my back. We're driving to SHOT Show and he plays a noise that all of us. I instantly knew what it was. Our hair stood up on the back of our neck and we were like what do you mean what is that? Since John's had game and fish at his house very often. Yeah.

This HOA situation you got to get it under control. Logan you have a. Do you have one where you live John? Yeah. You do? You don't have one. No. I've talked about that. Form one. I did it. Just go to your videos. You used to help me. Yeah. I got it. Here. All right. No. So tee it up first. You're. Okay. You're. You're laying in bed. You're laying in bed. At some point. You got your sweetheart. I don't know where it is. But at some point your wife tells you shut up and turn your phone off. Basically. Yeah. So. So tell us. A lot of times just to wind down or whatever you know. My wife will like watch a little video or something you know. Talk Facebook. Yeah. You know. All of a sudden I'm like it's really loud. And I say what are you watching? You know. And it's. Did you say it in French or English? It's in French. They only speak in French. Bronson. We're going to lunch. What'd you hear?

Which is French. It's a real disadvantage when you're arguing. I lose. I heard a little bit of English though coming in John. Well it's only when he doesn't remember. I had my head down setting up the booth. And I'm like I had my head down. We're just putting stuff trying to get ready. And all of a sudden he starts rattling off French. And I'm like John did you just speak French to me? Because you remember I don't speak French. And John or Jen had snuck up behind. He was trying to talk to her. I thought he lost it. So you asked her in French what she's watching. But. Yeah. What are you watching? It's like someone's screaming or something weird. And she's like I thought that was your phone. And it's loud. Like I mean. Do you have windows open? No. No windows open. This is December. Yeah. This is freezing cold. Like there's nothing. No reason to have your window. Yeah.

And I sleep with mine open. Did you think. So I'm like right outside. Just a little. We have a sliding glass door out of our bedroom. And there's a deck. And so. I listen again. And it's screeching. And I'm like. There's something on our deck. And Jen's like. Don't open the door. You know. And it's loud. I'm like. I'm King John. Well. You know. So I. I mean. I turn on the light. Owners. Owners. Association. President. Open enough to put my phone outside. It's my duty.

So you slide the door open. Put your phone out. With a lot. What was your first thought. Like aliens. I absolutely didn't know. Kids. We have. We have some pretty aggressive crows on our street. Okay. It's midnight. Go ahead. And it's midnight. But. They will. If the garbage can is open a little bit. They'll figure out how to get the lid open. And then. Those are late pal ravens. Yeah. I mean. They are big suckers. And so. All right. So you open. Let's just. And they like to hang out on the roof. Let's listen to the sound first. Okay. Because you don't want to give it away. What. This is what John. Heard middle of the night. On his. Deck. Of his house.

There's like two or three of them. Obviously. Obviously. At least two.

Oh. It's a cat. Parrot. So I have no idea. And then I start. On and off the lights.

And they get wound up even more.

They got to be in there. Right there. So. That one was deeper. Yeah. So you can hear two. There's one. Was it like on your property? Oh yeah. You have like a half acre lot? Yeah. And. I mean. It's right around the corner. I didn't even think. And they're calling. They're answering each other. Jeez. What time does it say on the video, John? 4.01. A.M.? P.M. In the morning. P.M. You guys were just hanging out. You were in bed? Yes. It was the middle of the night. No. Wait. Wait. Wait. No. That's not right. That was when you like. Don't. That must have been when you saved it or saved it or something. Yeah. That's when I saved it. Okay. I'll go look it up. But either way. It's pitch blind. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. So I would say like 6 or 7 p.m. Like it's December. So it gets dark early. But it was. You know. You can kind of tell like how far it is away. It was right around the corner of my house.

But I couldn't. I couldn't see it. I would have had to like go outside. Go downstairs. It's going on forever too. Yeah. You hear that deep. It's starting. And there's a deep one that was on the other side of my house. And. You're sandwiched. Yeah. But I didn't know what it was. Okay. So then you YouTube it. Right. Well Devin sends me this video when we were in the truck.

Jeez. Oh. What is. That's awkward. I've heard that in the wild. Yeah. I have to. You guys. Yeah. Oh yeah. I do that. Place I don't want to admit to. Me neither.

So that. You can hear that. 100%. That one calling back.

And then. This is mine.

That's what it is. That's what it is. Lions. Puma. Lions. It's not like you live out in the boonies. No. That's what's crazy. This is Cedar City, Utah. Literally. It's a subdivision. Subdivision. Yeah. Okay. Winter range for deer. 11.57 PM. Should have been winter range for deer. It was the time. Sorry. It's midnight. 11.57. You got lions calling. Come. I've just made a kill. Come and eat. Yeah. What do you think they were eating? Did your wife check for dogs? Well. Your puppies are in the house. Everything's safe. Like. When was it? Mid. Mid-December. We had our neighbor. Saw a lion in our neighborhood. In his driveway, right? Probably a week or two before that is all right. Oh. Yeah. Let's see. I remember we looked at this. It was only within a couple weeks. This was January 20th. Okay. So it was a month later. The month before. Yeah. So saw it. It was kind of following. There was.

There's a trail behind my house that people like to walk their dogs on. And it's kind of in the junipers. Yeah. And cool. So anyway. So that was. Yeah. A month earlier. Then. So this. This video kind of. I guess. I sent it to my wife. And I sent it to. To my son. And apparently. You know. They sent it to the whole world. So I get a call. And the guy's like. This is so and so from the DWR. And I'm like. Why are you calling me? He's like. Again. Did you take the video? Okay. I've talked to you guys a lot. I told you everything I know. I told you everything. I gave you my phone. And I was like. Oh yeah. That was me. So he's like. Well. I guess it's going around Cedar City. And we're getting call after call. Call after call. Well didn't you try to warn them. You told them the first time. Yeah. Yeah. Called them. They didn't do anything the first time. They didn't even come. But.

When the hikers. So then. Then they're like. We've been out. We've been out. And blah blah blah blah blah. We've been looking for tracks. So. Then I get a call from. Skat. Then I get a call. Or from the neighbor. Did you check my driveway? That's not fluffy. Okay. Go ahead. There's a neighbor. And he's like. There's a dog collar.

There's pieces of dog collar in this cat. All right. Keep going. So the neighbor. Calls. And he has a little bit more property. But it's right behind the subdivisions. And he says. Did you take the video of the lion? And I was like. Yeah. And he said. Well. I've got a goat farm. And I was like. Oh dude. What? That's like lion bait. It's like when they chain that goat up on Jurassic Park. That's what I was just thinking about. They put that goat out there. Yeah. And just try to lure in the T-Rex. I mean. Come on. So they've been living there for. So. A month and a half. And he's got them in an. In an enclosure and whatnot. Also like the SUU farm is right there. And doesn't he bring him in at night? He said. He has since. Yeah. So he's been bringing him in. Has he lost a goat to one? Not yet. Yeah. But. You think you've been hearing loud noises in your house. Imagine having heard of goats.

Oh yeah. Then. There's a cat jumping. What do they sound like? Bring him in. Google that. Then like two weeks ago. He said. He pulled up 4 p.m. And. He pulled up in his car. There's a lion around his fence. In his driveway. In his driveway. He goes to get out. And starts yelling at it. And it comes at him. He jumps back in. And he's just honking the horn. And stays. He's locked. He stayed in his car. Like stuck there. So anyway. That's when the 10 mil comes down. I was just going to say. Do you pack a gun? You can't shoot within the city limits. John. Yeah. You can. If it's. If it's attacking you. If you have an attacker. You're going to dump him. I mean.

Sir. Prove that it's attacking me. Let go of my arm sir. I don't know. We are in the city limits. Just make sure you kill it dead in your driveway then. Or on your porch or whatever. Yeah. That's crazy. So. Well. Anyway. Yeah. This is not really. I mean. You're not really on that. Very edge of town either. I mean. You're. No. But there's a little bit of. Wild area. In between. There's a little bit of. Yeah. Undeveloped. Cedar hill country. Yeah. But still. Surrounded in every direction by houses. Yeah. Every direction. That's green space. What they call green space. Or Walmart. Yeah. Right. Walmart on one side. Houses on the other three. Yeah. Don't go to Walmart and cedar. Lots of cougars.

May or may not be a lot of cougars. You're prowling.

Dropping stuff off. Oh. All right. Let's. Jeez. All right. I forgot we hadn't even covered that. That almost brought up a couple other would you rather.

We better go. Go back to work. No. I'm good.

Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I want to. Let's. Let's talk about our raffle real quick. We. That's coming to an end. Right. Oh yeah. It's last. Last week basically. Yeah. You got. Last week to get in and apply and. Get your name in the hat. Got a lot of hunts. That we're going to be giving away here shortly. Within. I don't know. Seven. Eight. Nine days. Somewhere in there. Just depends. We got to get it squared away. It'll end February 29th. Anybody that's interested. Go to our website. You can purchase tickets there. Or you can call in. 435-263-0777. Seven.

Awesome opportunity. We're giving away a ton of hunts. And we've even had guys. I mean. We're giving away that elk hunt. Utah-Nevada border. Good friend of ours. Ryan Benson. He smashed an absolute giant there. Four. A couple years ago. A couple years ago. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Stone sheep hunt. Which. I mean. Hard to believe what they've got. Done in price. In the last four or five years. They've doubled. Got one of those. We're giving away. Another elk hunt. In Nevada. Northeast corner. A couple elite deer hunts. Nevada and Utah. Wolf hunt for two. Coos deer for hunting for two. In Mexico. Gear package. 10K to order to hunt of your choice. I mean. There's a lot going on. Headlamps. Knives. Depending on the package. You purchase things like that. So anyway. Go to epicoutdoors.com. 435-263-0777. Now is the time. And again. It's just. You've got to have your names in the hat.

Just like the X-Bone. Thursday night. What? 11.59 on the 29th. Right, John? Is that when you turn it off? Yep. That's when I turn it off. Thursday night. I was checking out. Well, we just do the end of February. Whatever. Yeah. End of February. This year's a late deer. We gave them an extra day. I'm just saying it's like right now. Well, yeah. It's less than a week. It's nice. Anyway. I was finding out a few more details on that coos deer hunt. It's pretty cool. You just fly to Tucson. And then the outfitter takes you in. Yeah. You know. When I've gone down and hunting. Like we've driven in ourselves. From Tucson. Same place. No. We're actually going from. Further east of there. Yeah. Like Deming or whatnot. So, anyway. That would be. Yeah. That's kind of a good deal. Like you just drive it in by yourself. It's a little bit sketchy sometimes. Gun all the gun permits.

Fluent speaking Spanish outfitter. So, that's cool. Things like that. You win that. You choose a buddy to go with you. Yeah. Well, and maybe. I don't know. Maybe we'll try calling somebody who's been on one of these hunts. I don't know. We know a couple people that have done it. I don't know. But, John Hymas. Good friend of ours out of Nevada. I don't. He doesn't. No clue that we'd be calling. Maybe we just. He could be crushing gravel right now. He probably is. I doubt he'll answer. But, you never know. Anyway. He went on this stone sheep hunt this last year. Yeah. The exact one we're giving away. Should we give him a holler real quick? Let's try it. I don't know. I don't know in Nevada. It's Friday in Nevada. Probably not working.

You never know. You're making Beaver County mad. You're making Nevada mad. No. He made Beaver County mad. Not me. You're making Nevada mad. Pollock. He's not a friend in Beaver County, Nevada. It's all the same, right? I don't know. It's all imaginary lines. Yo. What are you doing? Oh.

Babysitting kids. I didn't know you had kids at this age. Grandkids. You're on the Epic Outdoors podcast.

Oh. Nice. Sorry, guy. I apologize in advance. Oh, I'm good. We just want to hear a little bit. A, you just smashed a rocket. Congratulations. That's awesome. But we want to hear a little bit on this stone sheep hunt, too. Oh, cool. Yeah, the Rocky hunt was very tough. I think that was 35 days. Jeez. Wow. Nevada Rocky. This is Nevada. Yeah. They've seen better days in most units. You know, 115. It's just tough there. It's a grind. Yeah. Nine-year-old ram. That's awesome. Good for you. But, yeah. We're giving our stone sheep hunt away in about a week, 10 days through our membership drive with Stone and Folding Mountain Outfitters. And so, we thought, hey, we'll call you. And you just hunted with them this last year. Tell us about your trip. How it went for you. If it was all you ever thought it was and more or whatnot. You know, the trip was amazing.

The stone and folding, those guys are amazing. The hunt was, I told you guys last time the other day in the office that, honestly, it was the best hunt of my life. It was fantastic. When you got done with that, you said, literally, this is the pinnacle of your hunting life. Like, it was unbelievable. The whole experience. Yeah. It was kind of my number one bucket list hunt, you know, that I wanted to do since I started hunting sheep. I was, you know, really excited. You know, I booked him because of you guys. I called Jason to say, hey, who do I book through? And he said, those guys. And they were phenomenal. Blair, his guides, the team, the hunting. It was, I mean, the one thing, I had no idea what I was getting into. I mean, no idea. Yeah, but you worked. You worked out. Like, you know, you were ready and prepared physically, I think. I did. I got ready. I lost some weight.

I had worked. You know, I was nervous because I had heard the one podcast with Adam. He said there were bugs. You know, on his sheep hunt. Depends on the year. Yeah, on the year. And a lot of times if you go very first of August, they're worst. If they get one or two freezes, they die dramatically. And I don't remember when you went on your dates. But I've been up there before, and, yeah, I've never seen more flying mosquitoes. I mean, it's unbelievable. So, anyway, it's terrible. But you plan for it, and if you don't have them, thank your lucky stars. And you feel like you can leave your guides, you can tip them in DEET. They'll take that as encouragement. Well, that DEET's not healthy. It ate away the face of my watch. I know. But, I mean, those guys up there, when I leave, I leave it with them. They act like they want that more than cash. But, anyway. No, I was nervous.

So, I literally called them and said, hey, what kind of bugs are going to be up there? And he's like, you're going to be good. And we barely had any. So, it was perfect. Well, anyway, well, that's good. And every year's different. You know, I think the late, sometimes you get big winters that's later, and, you know what I mean, they hatch, you know, later. Timing can be bad, just like gnats in our country in the desert, you know. They're bad by three weeks, four weeks, either direction. But, anyway, awesome trip for you there. And remind us, you killed a Rocky just now. Where does this put you on your slam? Did these finish them? Yeah, all I need is a doll. You need a doll, which is not the. It's kind of the easiest one, so to speak. You know, maybe. Likely one to finish the slam. So, you killed a desert in Nevada as well earlier, John? And I've killed a California, yeah. Oh, okay.

So, you've killed all three of them in Nevada, plus this stone. And you got a doll sheep hunt booked?

I'm working on that. All right. Well, that's awesome. And do you want to give us a quick, like just a quick, quick version of your story on this stone? Yeah, sure. Just kind of how it ended was just awesome. So, really how, I mean, I'll just give you the quick. So, basically, we flew in. We had opted to do the horseback. So, I had a friend of mine, Rod, that went with me. And so, you know, we kind of flew in. They lost our luggage. We started it off great. It was one of those experiences. Only thing I got was my gun, but with no ammo. And I didn't know how hard it was to buy ammo in Canada. But, anyways, we got our bags a day later. But, anyway, so we got there. We took off with the guide. And I kind of, it was kind of cool. I told Blair beforehand, I said, I kind of, I would love, like, to sample everything.

I would love to have a hunt where, you know, I kind of get a little bit of everything. So, we actually, we moved three times. So, we'd set up camp. We'd hunt for a day, day and a half, and then move. And then we did that three times. And I wasn't ready for, I had no idea, like, the horses, how awesome these horses are. Like, what they could do, how they trail. I mean, literally how they go through just a forest, and you just hold on. It's amazing what those horses will do. Yeah. So, we had trailed in really far. I mean, we had actually went to the, as far as we were going to go. And on the last day, when we had moved in. So, this is my third trip. Third time we had packed up and moved. And we were going in, and the last mountain ridge we had went over, we looked up, and there's some sheep on the top of the hill. And this is, you know, it doesn't get dark until, like, what, 10 o'clock.

And so, we made a mad dash. We hiked this hill. It was a monster. I barely made it. And we get all the way to them. The guide peeks up over, and a little ram sees them, and boom, it was over. And so, yes, so, literally, there was two good rams. I think there was six feet total. But there was two actual two shooters, one really long one and the one I shot, which was heavier and long.

Anyway, so, we get back to camp. And the coolest thing that night is we get back, and my guide had never been to that camp spot. And there really wasn't a trail. And so, he gets on the horse that had been there the longest, and he basically just tells this horse to go. And that stinking horse led us right to camp. Wow. I mean, through the thickest, nastiest, it was amazing. I mean, I was literally astonished. Wow. So, that was really cool. So, anyways, the next day, it's raining all day, and we spot those sheep, that same group, over two ridges just on this little rock outcropping. So, we kind of watched them that day. It rained on us all day. And I think that's what – I wasn't really prepared for that, but it would rain hard, and then the sun would be out 10 minutes later.

So, it rained all day. Next day, we got up. We hiked all day long. We saw all the sheep but the two shooters. And, I mean, we probably hiked, I think, nine miles that day, maybe a little more. Jeez.

Get back to camp, and we started making dinner. And it was like 8 o'clock, 8.30 maybe. Started making dinner, and one of the guides in training says, I hear something on the mountain, and he looks up, and there was the ram that we were hunting. Didn't you have a little bit of a bet, like, who finds the shooter? What were they doing? What made the noise? Were they headbutting? What were they doing? No, I think it was just in rock. Yeah. Kicking rocks off. Just walking. Wow. So, I had said, so it's funny because I was messing with the guys, and I said, all right, whoever finds the sheep, I'll give an extra thousand bucks to. Just to make it interesting. Just for fun. Just to make it fun. And that dang guy, he hadn't found a sheep yet. Only thing he did, he's a herd one. He heard one. Yeah. So, he heard them. So, anyway, he looks up, and he's like, I see sheep.

Anyway, they were like 900 yards away. But it was, you know how it is up there. It's straight up in thick, thick cover. And we look, and my guide's like, hey, how far can you shoot? I'm like, not 900 yards.

I did not feel comfortable. And so, we took off. Same thing. Mad dash like the two days before. And we hike up this hill. And one of the other guys stayed behind, but the in-reach wasn't going through. So, we didn't know what was going on, what they were doing. And the guide and I, Travis, we just kind of kept moving up the hill, moving up the hill. And finally, we got to the top, and I peek over, and they were like 280 yards away.

Crazy. The rest was history. Dumped him. Yeah, the rest was history. Well, you made a heck of an offhand shot, boss. Well, yeah. So, yeah. And I'm not a good shot. I can shoot a shotgun really good, but with a rifle, I'm not great. I missed that Rocky twice. I don't know. You did? I haven't even heard this story yet. Yeah. No, I missed him twice. I don't know what happened. 100 yards? No, it was 700. It was 700 yards. Okay. Well, never mind. That could have been the wind. You know. We're going to call it wind. Call it wind. Yep. Chalk it up. Just a bluebird day. With the stone, we tried to put the bag vertically up and down, but it was happening so fast that I couldn't get a dead rest fast enough. Nothing. And he heard us and started getting nervous, and he's like, you better hurry. So, I kind of had to offhand and shoot him. And anyways, he was awesome. He was. 300 yard offhand, right?

Yeah. Or so. Just awesome. Dang. Yeah. He was everything I wanted. He had mass. He ended up, he was like 164 inches. Awesome. He did have great mass. And I was, I was so happy. Well, and they fortunately do have good shoe numbers. So that, I mean, I've been in those shoes. I've been, I mean, I killed a couple stones, one on like day seven and one on day nine, both of 10 day hunts. And I mean, by day five, you're starting to think, okay, you know, you're probably going to have some weather between now and the end or whatever, or moving, like you said, and there's a half day or a day just moving. And so, those are real things that creep in your mind. It's a mind game, mental game up there when you're doing it, trying to stay positive. You know, it's all, it's all fun and games until the last days within the next few days ahead of you. I've had enough of the experience.

I'm ready to experience the kill. Yeah. And when you, when it hits you, like, I mean, I really, at that point thought, man, there's not a chance that I'll come home without one. I mean, I didn't even, it wasn't even in my head. Yeah. And on that hike back instantly, I'm like, you have got to be kidding me. This really could happen. I didn't realize, you know, that the residents up there can draw over the counter. I mean, I didn't really realize how much competition and how hard it really was. Yeah. Yeah. It's a real hunt just because they're expensive doesn't mean you get one. Doesn't mean it's like you pay for it and you kill them. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Pretty awesome. That's awesome. And it's awesome. You drew a Rocky tag the same year in your own state. It's really cool that you drew on all three. They don't give Rocky tags away. I told you you have to kill one on that hunt. Yeah.

They just don't. Yeah, you do. You know, Jason's put the pressure on me before. And when he told me the other day, he's like, you have to kill a Rocky. I went back to the guy. Well, you were passing. This Ram. Nice Rams. Right. Like you were looking for a rumored giant and whatnot. But at some point, it gets real again. You're 35 days in. Yeah. And, you know, 35 days in, we had a three-month season. And I was down to the last seven days. And I was like, all right. You know, you said, hey, make sure you get it done. So we had made the decision to get it done. I had went in. We had got on him. And then me and my friend, he's like, man, let's just, we got a couple more days. And I'm like, no, we don't. We're shooting this one right now. We've had that full experience again. Now it's time to experience the kill.

So, yeah. No, it was great. I'll tell you, this was the best sheep hunting year of my life. It was unbelievable. The stone will be something I'll never forget. It was definitely the pinnacle of all the sheep hunting I've ever done. Well, that's awesome. They're pretty special. That's cool to hear it firsthand. And somebody, you know, a little over a week from right now is going to get that same opportunity you did with the same outfitter. So we wanted to call you just to get your perspective with this hunt we're giving away. Same exact place. Hey, my name's in the hat for that. I'll bet it is. Yeah. My name is in the hat. So I want to do it again. Might need to buy your odds down a little bit. I don't know. Hey, just one other question. Did you guys end up finding a one horn ram? We did. Come on. We did. The last day. Well, the last day that they could hunt, we found one. And smashed it?

Yep. Got it. Awesome. Yep. So we got them both done. Good. That's good. You've done a lot of sheep hunting. That was getting down to the wire, too. Yeah, you wouldn't think that a one horn in 268 would be hard to find. But we could not find one. Didn't you see like something like 60-something rams in one day? So we saw 48 rams in one day. Yeah, the most I've ever seen in there. You guys know that unit. There's a lot of sheep. But 48 is a lot of rams. It is. But, I mean, also, that one horn's been around for a few years now. So, I mean, not as easy as it was to find them. They killed a few of them. Yeah, they killed some. And it's not like, you know, they've got to break. You've got to break them to have one. It's not like they grow. You know what I mean? They don't make them every day. They don't just let them grow up. They don't make them every day. That's right. So getting tougher.

But, yeah, that's a lot of sheep hunting. You've had a lot of sheep hunting the last month or two. Oh, got a lot of experience there. Yeah. Yeah, it's been great. You've had some other good tags. We'll save those for other podcasts. Yep. That Swarro 95 did us good up there. So thank you. That's awesome. You bet. Anytime. All right, John. Thanks for answering the phone. I guess we'll let you go back to chasing grandkids. Yeah, start worrying about Muley's Matter again. All right. We're definitely going to be doing that. We're going to be doing it. Hey, so I do want to throw in. I do want my company. I want maybe a couple of youth that didn't have the opportunity to win something. I wouldn't mind some optics or something. Maybe some 10x42s. All right. Okay. 10x42. High Rock's buying? Yep. So maybe two youths under 13 years old that didn't have a chance to win. Okay.

Let's talk afterwards, and High Rock will get them a pair of binos. All right. Okay. Sounds good. Logan, you on it? Yeah, I'll be on it. Okay. John? Yep. I love it. Let's make it work. Yeah, we appreciate it. We appreciate you. That's awesome. And we'll incorporate you into the new one upcoming this year, too. How about that? Okay. Thanks, fellas. All right, John. Thanks a lot. Thanks. Have a good weekend. Bye. That's awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Not a lot of 13-year-olds, so you never know. Yeah. No. They're probably pretty good odds on that. Yeah. He's awesome. There's a lot of kids in there, though. All right. So, anyway, get your tickets in. Refer. Really, it's a membership drive. Refer your buddy. Very minimum. And if you want to buy tickets, why, you can do that, too. Deadline is February 29th. EpicOutdoors.com. 435-263-0777. Or if you join yourself.

If you're not a member and you listen. New members get in there as well. Yeah, new members get in there. You get a free ticket. So, put your name in for that stone sheep hunt or another one that you want. All right. It's Friday, February 23rd. Should we call it a day? Yep. If you hunt in multiple states or want to expand your hunting portfolio, the Epic Outdoor License and Application Service is for you. We have dedicated hunt consultants and a team of application specialists to help you develop and achieve your short, medium, and long-term hunting goals. We do the work. You draw the tags. Epic Outdoors License App. 435-263-0777. The Utah Hunt Expo is right around the corner. Head over to the Epic Outdoors booth, chat with us, and get access to exclusive optics deals. Don't miss out on the 2024 Utah Hunt Expo at the Salt Palace Convention Center in Salt Lake City.

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