EP 312: An Epic "Would You Rather" Part 2

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire Epic Outdoors crew, minus Logie Bear and John. Where y'all at? Those guys are taking the day off. They got project. I didn't think people get days off here during application season. It's a tough time of year to take a day off. Isn't it? It is. It was tough to even get in the podcast room. But they are not on the license application side of things, though, too. And they march to their own beat, right? But what we have learned is the rest of us in the office are. Are why? Everybody here works for Wyatt.

100%. He makes me nervous. When you just think about it, nobody could give a crap. If my truck, Devin's truck, your truck, nobody even comes and asks, Oh, is Jason not here today? Nothing. If Wyatt's truck is not in the parking lot, when everyone comes into the parking lot, everyone assumes something is wrong. Something's wrong. Like in a terrible way. Or Carly's home. She's crushing it. Yes. Or there may be some that start thinking, Today's a free day. Today we're going to do what we want. We're going to run wild. We're going to all ourselves today. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, we all work for Wyatt. When we walk in, the temperature of the office, we all check the temperature of the office, and it's largely predicated on what's happening at Wyatt's desk. True. This time of year, true. Just this time of year. Until June 5th. Then we don't care. Then we don't care. Right?

Because we just know you're good after that. Yeah. After that, it's all good. That's right. This year, that is June 5th. Sometimes it's the 10th or 12th. But this year, Arizona's the 4th, and Idaho's the 5th. So, we're done after that. Yeah. I contend, even in the summer, when the rooster's not in the coop, there's, it's, yeah. There's disarray. Yeah. We don't know how to function without the rooster. Eggs are being laid in the corners. Whoa. They're not in the box. Fluffy. The boxes are not being utilized. Yeah. Nesting everywhere.

Free range chickens are kind of the craziest. Oh, it's organic. Cage-free. If they could live, you know. Wyatt, why don't you start us off? A lot of feral cats. Oh, David. Yeah. Speaking of feral cats, how was last night in your house? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do I mean? You said yesterday that it was a UFC battleground on your lawn. Yeah. It was. House cats. You found blood, scratches, beds. I didn't hear about this. There were some feral cats, some half feral, and some one with a collar converged on my lawn, about to look like a LARPing session. But I didn't see any last night. They must have settled it. Oh. To answer your question. A couple gangs of cats, Matt. That's what he told me. One was the boss. The only one that's the good ones, there's an orange one that hunts. The rest of them are a bunch of just Gen Zers that don't know what to do.

Yeah, well, they get handouts. There's one that. Yeah, he was discerning dominance. Well, you know when Devin calls the, we'll just call it the local animal control authorities, for asking for advice on what he can do about a condition? I went to the office. You did? Yeah, yeah. How did I miss all this? I don't know. You just wanted to know what legal and moral grounds you had to stand on. Yeah, she said you're about the 20th person this week that lives in your town that has been in here or called. Yeah. And so what'd she say? That insinuates a big problem. Did she say kill him? No, you can trap him. No, Jason. You have to take him to a vet. They pay for it, neuter him, and then you bring it to them. But the next available opening is end of October. Oh, geez. The vet neutering. You have a pet cat until October. If you have a princess cat, they'll get it in by tomorrow at 5.

But if you have a feral one that needs neutering and relocated, they don't have an opening until December 14th. So did you make an appointment for October, November, December? I'll probably be busy end of October. Not worried about cats? No, I won't be. Why did you go in there? Were you afraid for your safety? No. It's the ruckus at night. He can't sleep at night. Yeah. I wanted to know what my rights were as a human. No. When I tell you it's a battleground, you should hear it sometimes. So it's not just one occurrence. I see a new cat every day. On your property? I've never seen that one. Never seen that one. There's this new fluffy one. I mean, he's the boss. He showed up, and he owns the yard, the neighborhood. You think the sounds coming from John's backyard were bad? That's right. And I want it to be known. I don't own cats. You should nickname that one. You don't even like cats.

I don't even like cats. They're sneaky, and they just, they are always watching. They stink. Dogs love you. Dogs are normal. Make you sneeze. Dogs have personality. I don't. Cats? I'm not against cats. It's just if you have 47 of them, and you feed 100 more feral cats, I don't like you. If you, put it this way, I think you're ruining the neighborhood. You are. You're attractive feral cats. If you died in your house, and you were there with your dog, Moose would lay by your side forever. He would die next to you. He would die next to you. He would starve, and he would eat you. Yeah, the cat could care less. If I'm on the couch, Moose is right here. He would die right there. Yes. The cat would eat you. Yeah. Starved my eyes. After it scratched up the carpet and covered you up. It cashed you up, you know. It's so true. Trying to keep you. How did we even have no loyalty?

I did not know you had projects going on at your place. Cat projects. Yeah. Well, I don't know what you call a project. It's just a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe what you need is some trail cameras. Yes, trail cameras. Wyatt, where can you get some trail cams? So, right here at us. We'll have them coming here pretty quick here at Epic Outdoors. Any day. Any day. We should get a shipment there. Stealth Cam. Been a great partner and friend of ours for a long time. That's right. So, it's about all any of us run here at the office. That's right. Wyatt, how many cameras are you going to run this fall? That's what I want to know. And where? I'm going to wait for the end of the month and results. Big month. Talk about that. I mean, that's going to determine a lot of my fall. Here. In fact, I guess you're not tired of talking about it in the license app section. Yeah.

You don't have to wait until the end. They said the 16th. Utah will be the 16th. What? We've got Nevada the 17th. You might draw a goat tag in Wyoming on the 8th, though, right? Might need to pack in a few cameras in the wilderness. Goat projects. Yeah. Got Wyoming coming out. Can you legally attach a camera to a tree in a wilderness area?

Let's just say we don't know, because if you get caught doing that, it might be a problem. Because they can prove that you knew it. We don't know. Because the Epic Outdoors podcast, you just admitted to it, knowing. No. No. I don't recall. Strike this from the record. Okay. Go ahead. We've got Wyoming elk on the 16th. We've got Colorado towards the end of the month. So. Nevada the 17th. Probably got Montana moose, sheep, goat, 15th or 20th. Upcoming deadline, Nevada. Yeah. Idaho. Nevada. May 8th. Due on the 8th. Yeah. May is a good month. It's a fun month. But also, May 2nd was a good day to get rid of Utah, Kansas, out of the way a few days before that. And then you get the Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, moose, sheep, and goat stuff. Move along, right? Oh, well. Talking about something else. Let's talk about the Utah survey you took, what? Real quick. Just real quick. A handful of us took it.

A handful of us took it. Yeah. New Utah survey. Very aggressive. Most aggressive survey. They didn't want Bronson's input. Yeah, they knew he's more of a sheep guy. Me neither. I didn't get it. Yeah, he's a sheep guy. I think my rat comments probably. Devin's more of an antelope. Made things pretty clear.

Could be read for years to come. That's right. Go ahead. I was just saying that Devin didn't get it because he's more of an antelope guy. Oh, he is. I've never played for. And the cat guy. Turns out he likes cats. He's not lions. He doesn't like. Lions and bobcats. I'm the antelope cat guy. Come on. I don't know. I'd fight. I'd fight. I have never applied for antelope in Utah. Yeah. So. I don't know what to tell you. Well, I mean, it's not going to be one of your choices. Not going to kick that over deer. Yeah. Unlike other friends that you and Wyatt have that choose them over deer elk. We've already talked here. Cameron Gilman. That's right. It happens. Okay. Just calling. So they have this aggressive survey coming out. We're looking at changing up some things in deer. No, the deer plan. Yeah.

So they just basically, first question was, do you kind of agree with our deer plan or strategy? And it just kind of worked all the way through there as far as do we agree with. What do you want? We're implementing more weapons. More weapon types. Restrictions. Restrictions. And, you know, what we look for in a general season hunt. What we look for in limited entry. How they should allocate tags. Lower buck to no ratios. How satisfied. Buck to no ratios. Yeah. Satisfaction.

Satisfaction. I like that word. Satisfaction. I know what I'm saying. Satisfaction. I like that. Satisfaction. Satisfaction's a good sign of the word. Rate your satisfaction. More opportunity for booger eaters. What? We got to, yeah, can't forget the youth, you know, youth of America. Well, there's so many youth. So many youth opportunities. My kids turn down youth opportunities. They turn them down. Well. Anyway. Yeah, I'm glad they give a survey, but why, kind of sucks we didn't get one. It's got to be random. It's a random. It's really random when they extrapolate whatever that to mean 180,000. It's all statistics. So we'll see where that goes with the mule deer committee they're working through here in Utah. I hope you represented my interests well, Wyatt Cash and Jason. Well, it wasn't to me. It was Justin. Justin. Oh, he did that. Yeah.

He had a survey, and he had to ask me what CWD was.

So I had to explain. It was actually a good bonding experience between me and Justin. It isn't a generic form of WD-40. No, WD-40 came to his mind. And some obscure disease that we've never seen came to my mind. Actually, prions that could live in the dirt for many years. Prions. Even after a moment. Josh's got it down. You need to kill every living creature within 200 miles of that prion. Prion. Exactly. So we have to have birds, bees, and CWD with our kids. Talk with our kids, I guess. All right. Josh, should we just start? I'm wondering if we should work on the would you rather questions and then give it a little bit of break with some of our stuff. I've got stuff. Yeah, what?

Nobody else brought stuff. We sell muzzleloaders, don't we? Okay, that stuff. Little pulled one powers are in stock. I mean, we've got some stuff here. What do you got? Where's your stuff? It's all right here, boss. So Adam's got some sticky notes in his head. I'm just finally. Baby, jump into the one powers while we're. Let's just dive into it. Dive, Bronson, dive into it. Well, I think we're pretty much out of the Crossfire 1 buys. Crossfire 2s, those went like hotcakes on a 4th of July breakfast. Flying out the door left and right. Ward breakfast. Whatever you want. Anyway. Lions Club. I think when guys, when we say, won't last long, call us ASAP, a lot of guys don't believe us. Yeah. And they should believe us. And then we made a second order. They were gone. Did you know it got shipped? Yeah. Well, those are the blue poles. The second order of them? Yeah. Oh. The Wazoo Leupold. Yeah.

As far as the Leupold. Yes. Oh, yeah. We got cross-sheroscopes. Yeah, I was talking about the Crossfire ones. They sold out. Red dots. And we're not getting more Crossfires. No. Until August, September. Vortex is not even coming out with more until probably right before the hunt. So anyway. Yeah. Good option there. The Leupold is a great option if you want a red dot. My preliminary decision has kind of been made that I think a dot for me is going to be better than a crosshair. That's just a little dot. It's a one MOA dot. It's really, really. It's so fine. It's unbelievable. But I've got both and I'm going to take them both to the range and I think everybody should do the same thing. Yep. Because some people might choose open sides. Seriously. I don't know. I don't know. Devin's little things might have some that. And in New Mexico, we're going to be using an iron side.

Don't have to worry about pushing. Yeah, you've got to have one of those. But the thing we learned, too, is when we were testing all these, go outside. Yeah. If you can look through these, if you're torn on what to use, go outside. There's that little square light down there at, what, 370 yards. It's got to be, what, a foot square? Yeah. And that dot, I feel like I could knock that light out. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. And it's got a turret on it.

Dial it up. Dial it down. Yeah, it really is. It's a great option if you're looking for one. We're going to have to take out our readers to read it on that turret, that MOA reading. Might modify it slightly. I've got some ideas in mind. Fingernail polish or what? Yeah. Maybe just make some bigger etching and cover up the bigger numbers. Call Kenton Industries, throw a little turret on there. I'm going to modify that. But I couldn't believe it. It was unbelievable. And I don't know if it was the diameter of the objective or the tube or whatever. I think it's that 34 millimeter tube. Yeah. It doesn't give some of those with like a one inch tube and stuff. You get a little bit of effect. It's like you're looking through a toilet paper roll. A tunnel. Yep. With that 34 millimeter, I think it's a little easier on your eye.

The other big deal is that red dot is not magnified or one power, correct? No. It's just your eye. Yeah. Which is better than one power. Oh, no kidding? Yeah. Your eye's like 1.2 or something. I don't know. I don't know. I call it a one power. Yeah, they call it a one, but I don't know for sure. I don't know. Fish hole, whatever. Well, I'm going with you, Devin, because whatever it did, it was next level. Yeah. If you look at a one power, it will back you out. Yeah. You can see it, but it could be the two, two. Well, anyway, we have those. The story you better call before those are gone. Yeah. Those have been going like hotcakes, too. On the 16th, when you get your draw results in Utah and you found out you drew a muzzleloader tag, then better get on it. We've had a lot of people. Get on it. In Washington. Get on it. Yeah, or Washington. South Dakota. Yeah, I would get on it.

Don't wait until August to figure out what you're going to do with your muzzleloader. Do it sooner rather than later. Pretty awesome. So we're selling them like crazy. What else? Speaking of muzzleloaders. What else are we selling, Devin? Speaking of muzzleloaders. Yeah. Big news. Let's talk about a new advertiser we picked up. You might have seen that in this last magazine. E-MAGs are all online. We are official approved dealers of CVA. Yeah, it's awesome. Muzzleloaders. Yeah. We're proud of it. Got a pile of them coming. Some of the more popular models. I would say more like a pallet or two. A pallet. You could call it that. Yeah. Read through a few of the main ones that we're getting, Devin, so people are interested. A lot of the Acuras, the LRX and the MRX. The LRX is, I have one of those. I love it. Yeah. 30-inch barrel. The MRX is a 26-inch barrel. We got Optimas, thumb holes.

I mean, all sorts of different models. Different price points. I think I bought Justin an Optima. Yeah. I've got, yeah, Chris. I've got two Acuras. Good. They're awesome. Excited about that. Those are on their way, too. We'll be loading them up. They'll be here next. They will be here next week, so if you need a muzzleloader, call us. 50 caliber is kind of what we. Yeah. You know, but if there's something special, they offer a lot of SKUs. If there's something special you want, call us. We'll get it on order. Not a big deal. Yep. So, anyway, we have them quick. Yeah. Under the whole CVA umbrella, we can order it. Yeah, it's awesome. Anyway, should be incredible. I don't know why. Muzzleloader hunting is kind of on our brain this year, it feels like. It's kind of the thing. I don't know. There's a little bit of change. Well, we've had to. Sites and things like that.

You're going to have to. Draw on a few muzzleloader tags. Yeah, we're going to have to change, you know, what we've been using and doing a little bit here in the States. So, when you change it up, it's like you, Josh, when you were talking. I've got this multiple power scope muzzleloader set up. It's awesome. I do not want to change it. Yeah. I think I'm going to buy it. Buy a CVA. Did you tell your wife that, by the way? Of course. Completely transparent. You're talking about an MRX? Yeah, or an LRX. Grace Aircoat, Alpine, 26-inch. I'm trying to decide. They're awesome guns. I had an older version of the Acura, and I love that gun. And then I have a Paramount now, obviously, that was set up with abilities to shoot longer distances and such. And it's just hard because muzzleloaders are not easy to set up, I don't feel like, as a regular rifle.

When you have one set, you don't want to touch it. I don't want to tear it apart, but I likely will because it does shoot good, and it'll shoot phenomenal even with the red dot. That's part of being an old man. You don't want to change it. You want Bronson? I want one for every state. I've got four.

You don't want to touch them. Once you get them set, you don't want to touch them. One of the fours is going to be back off to a Utah legal muzzleloader. But I'll leave the one that has a scope for when I go to Iowa or Kansas or somewhere, or Arizona, which I rarely do. But I've been to Iowa. I've been to Iowa. But it's not hard to put a scope back on either. But it's a pain. I may eventually take both of them. Go sight in a muzzleloader. I've got to swab between each round. And you can only handle so many rounds before your arm is jello as well. And the swabbing bugs me. You're talking about shooting sabbats that may be hard to find or powder that you don't want to re-sight in stuff all the time. You might be cost-effective to buy a new one, really. Yes, that's kind of what I'm thinking. Because, yeah, there's some components. Well, because these aren't that expensive, honestly.

They're a great gun for an affordable one. Ten ounces of black horn. What's that going for now? I was going to say, you go buy five jugs of black horn. 80 bucks? 80 bucks for. And you can't find it. No, 80 bucks for ten ounces of black horn. Yes. Oh. Yeah. Not a pound. Jeez. It's kind of like. I'm going to keep my 10-year-old stuff sitting up there in the closet. Huh? Just mix it up. Just pray our homes never light on fire. Oh. Clean your dryer vent. Mine would lift it off the foundation, plus my neighbors. Shim it with a six-pack of, you know. What? N.W. Rupert. Okay. Anyway. Pretty awesome. Pretty fun to do, actually. It's fun to be part of this stuff. And with change on muzzleloaders, on muzzler scopes and sights and things like that, caused a little bit of change on the entire system. And that's our point, is if we're wanting to change, you're changing up anything, pretty

soon you're looking at other options. And that's kind of what's inspired all this, is a little bit of change here in Utah and whatnot and surrounding states. Of course, we're still dealing with the Mexico being open site. Devin, we end up with muzzleloader tags, and you kind of, it's just continuing down that road of the muzzleloader thought process. And of course, there's a lot of great seasons that muzzle, you know, being willing to use a muzzleloader. Being willing to adapt. Move amongst weapons. We do it all. Archery, muzzle, rifle, and you have to do it. Sometimes your season warrants. A lot of you guys have busy plans in September, so the archery elk stuff was out. And, you know, you've got options. You have to avoid it. I've had to do the same thing some years. Okay. All right. So, if you need a one power Leupold scope, red dot, give us a holler. They're going fast.

We do have them at the moment with more coming, but you never know. Sometimes those are, you know, on back order for a little while on some of this stuff. If you need a muzzle or something, holler at us as well. Go onto their website. Great partner of ours. I just feel like we started off on the right foot with them. We're excited. That's a niche for us that needed to be filled. It feels like we've got a great thing going with them. Josh. Yeah. Let's dive in. What do you got for us? Of course, Josh is going to make some stuff up. Bronson, we need to have some would you rathers for Josh. Josh. Let's sit.

Wyatt, you'd be a good guy to give a Josh a would you rather. I love. I love Wyatt. Wyatt's got a devious mind, and he's thinking about stuff all the time. Yeah. We might have to think about that, though, and come up with one for him. I don't have one off the top of my head. Let's come up with something here in the office. Because I have a feeling he's not going to read one addressed to him. So we better come up with our couple of our own. I will let you guys glean this list. If my name is on here, I will answer it. So for you guys, would you rather, Dustin Lubicki279 says, sorry, the printer kind of was off there, but hunt in grizzly or rattlesnake country? Grizzly. Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake. Done it my whole life. Never been dead. You'd rather, you hate snakes that bad. But you hunt in rattlesnake country. Yeah, I have. I wear snake gators every. You do? Oh, yeah.

I did not know that about you. He wears them in his tent cot. When you were hunting antelope out here, were you in gators? No. Okay. When I'm hanging cameras in the summer, I have snake gators. Well, because you're always around water sources. You know, it's little spring and things like that. They like water because little rodents like water. I don't like snakes, man. Man, I remember last year. I don't like bears either, but that's a. Jeez, I don't know. We were within minutes of, well, I wouldn't say minutes, I guess hours of the trail camera deadline last year. And I had one more to get. And so I was just hurrying. An hour? Yeah. And I had like boots and shorts on. Like I threw my boots on real quick because it was one that was close to home. And I just got on my side by side, took off to get up in there. And I was like busting down through this chaining to get to it.

And I stepped and it had just rained. And so it was kind of cool outside. And I go to step and there was a rattlesnake stretched out across like an old pinyon log. It was in there just trying to get some heat and didn't rattle nothing like it was cold. And I stepped right off the top of it. And the words that were said and the sounds that came out of my body, it was not cool. And then I had to walk back in the dark and in knee deep grass. Did you kill him though? When you're, I mean. Jason smashed him. Yeah. Yeah. Human safety. Yeah, exactly. Because I had to come back past him. You can protect yourself. You can kill anything if you're protecting yourself. Yeah, I had to come back past him. So yeah, I rattled. I'd still probably stick. If it jumps on your face. So Josh, that begs the question. Were there any cameras that you accidentally forgot? No. I mean truly didn't know about.

No, they all came down. They all, every one of them. Come on. From back in the day. What kind of questions are there, Jason? I mean, geez. Hey, I've got questions. I mean. Sounds like you're wondering. A normal human, if you're running a big stack of cameras from, you know, 2020. There's times when you forget some. There might be some that I totally, completely forgot about. Yes. Because yeah, I got in the habit of just leaving them. Yes. And if I didn't have them properly marked on my onyx or something, I don't know. There could be some. But I'm not checking them. I don't know. That's not a good answer. Come catch me. You have knowledge. Not a safe answer. Intent or not. We can pull the card. We can pull the card and go over it together and see when the last picture was taken. I would like to go over those together. All right. Okay. Okay. So let's see. Wyatt. Grizzly, rattlesnakes.

Well, I was torn here. Are they Wyoming, Montana grizzlies that actually eat people? Versus what? Alaska. Well, Alaska. You don't think the ones in Alaska eat? They don't get eaten near as much up there as we hear about it. Like Wyoming. It's like the part of the grizzlies. Wyoming, they know they're not hunted. They're not hunted. They're not scared of people. I think those are the scary bears. Like the dinner bell is a rifle. Reportable rifle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe let's talk about, yeah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming grizzlies. Because going up north, Ibex? Yeah, in New Mexico. Well, I'm not doing that. Those snakes are no joke. That's what I'm saying. I'm not. Would you rather Wyoming bear? Well. Or a Floridas. Floridas? Rattler. Snake infested rock pile. The Floridas rattler is no joke, they say. Well, yeah, I mean. That paralyze a guy. I'd have to put my tent caught on blocks.

I mean, jeez. I mean, they can climb that stuff. They climb up into your wheel wells, into your cab of your truck. That's awful. They'll go up your steering column. We should give away something for somebody that sends in a picture of a snake in a truck. No. Please no. Jason. No. Where do you come up with these things? I don't know. It's just fun. You know people out there. If you've got one racing. You're driving down the highway and one's sticking its head out of a heater vent coming right to you. Send me a picture. That's the truth. Could you imagine? No. You send a picture in, you're going to get something. I'd lock it up so fast. I guarantee. Which, by the way. We'll buy them a pair of snakeships. I had one on the Pavant underneath my truck as I came back from glassing one night. That's a bad place, man. That's it. Yeah. South end there is loaded with them. Cash? Hmm?

What did you say? I didn't say anything. Grizzly or bears or rilemer? Oh.

If we're talking like you guys are talking Idaho, Wyoming, whatever, I'd say snakes, but Alaska. I've never been hunting in Alaska, but I'd probably not. Alaska, you just know that's part of it, but everything else overrides that when you're up there. Everything. I just don't know the odds that you survive a bite. Like if you're remote enough. A grizzly attack? No. I wouldn't worry about that. If you're back there a mile. I think your odds are high. You're going to survive a snake bite. You think? Yes. So I always figured if I was deep. It's just if you're deep, you have that in reach. I would just sit under a cedar and write my wife a book. No, you wouldn't. You would hit SOS on them. No, you wouldn't. Devin. Devin. No. You're going to hit SOS and they're going to come. Back before in reaches, that's literally what I thought. Like if I was two or three. Really? You thought that?

Yeah, I would just sit under a tree. No, you don't. You try. You never give up. Make a pictograph of your last. Because what if it's a dry bite? Well, I thought if you got your heart rate up. Devin thought he got bit, but it was a dry bite. And then he ran out of water and he sat under this tree. Why am I not dead yet? He's got knife marks on his wrist. He slid his own wrists. He thought it would end it quicker. And then we find this letter. And then the toxicology report says no venom. Turn out it was a blow snake. Turns out it was a blow snake. SOS, you get picked up, you got bit by a gardener snake. Sorry, Miranda. This was a suicide. Don't a snake bite. You don't get the life insurance. That's right. Exactly. That's exactly right, Devin. Death by suicide. But we do have bite marks. He tried to suck out his own poison. Jeez. I don't know. He bit all over his body.

I assumed you're more than likely just going to die. No. You walk. You may lose fingers. You walk. And you try to chill out and don't hyperventilate and keep your heart level low. That's why I said you sit under a tree. Do a half a tourniquet depending on where it's at. I thought you weren't supposed to tourniquet at all. They say it, but I'd do everything. I'd try everything. Jumping jacks? No. That's a heartbeat. You're not supposed to get the heart rate up. What do you want it to spread through your whole body? If you tourniquet it on your arm, your arm's toast. Yeah. I'm cool with an arm being toasted if you're going to live. Yeah. Then you might be getting extended seasons. Mobility impaired. I want the mobility impaired exerts. Yeah, the crossbow. It's end of season dates. You could use a crossbow, Dom. We're looking forward to it. We're going down a rabbit hole. One power sculpt.

We're never going to get through the other 20 questions. It's a good question. It's really good thinking. It's interesting stuff. Devin, you walk every time, okay? You walk. What do you mean? You walk to the truck. Slowly. Shuffle. Shuffle. I'll walk. If you guys find me face down in the desert. Either that or it's under a tree. At least you try. You know I tried. I tried. Jeez. But hit SOS as well. Funny crap. So High Desert Reaper wants to know, Jason, would you rather hunt Arizona over-the-counter mule deer or Wyoming GRH this year? Oh, OTC Arizona. What? What are you talking about? I have one. I know you do. Yeah. Arizona OTC. How's it gone so far? How many days have failed have you done? I was doing it with the group minus Adam because he wouldn't answer his phone. Our group hasn't yet done anything. Is your envelope even opened? No. It's filed. Same. Mine too. Come on.

When's the opening? August like 24th or something? When does it open up? Money well spent. Money well spent. So the week after Utah usually. Yeah, but that's rattlesnake season right there in August too. Like we might have to stick it out. You just lost Devin. There's some options.

There's some options. You're not going there. I feel like that's the most underutilized, underrated opportunity there is. Is there? It's one of them. Wouldn't you say? Like you're not. We're not dying. Well, you're just saying that because it's one of the last remaining. I mean, it's really not even remaining OTC. It's a cat. And when it comes available, you're just like, I have nothing for next year, so this gives me options. You know? It's not that expensive. Yeah. 250 bucks. Yeah. 300 or something. But you might have Wyoming plans maybe even. I don't know. Who? Deer. You. No. I'm not. My plans have changed. Since yesterday when I talked to you? It wasn't yesterday, but they've changed. Okay. I'm trying to remember now what they changed for. It's day to day in this office. You never know. But it's true. Jeez, guy. What are you thinking? Yeah. I'm not going up there, I don't think. Yeah.

Well, anyway. Okay. Oh, yeah. I know. All right. Yeah. What? Hasn't happened yet. Got big plans, though.

All right. Just being optimistic, May is the month where hopes and dreams start to come true in the drought world. I've told you guys, there's big things brewing. Pollock's already had his big thing for the year. I've had a pretty big thing, but there's more big things in store for people at this table. Just trust me. Yes, I like it. Because that was the talk last time when big things happened. Positivity. And then we know. Come out with Oryx. Adam has a gift. He does. He does. But I think it's my turn, though, too. Wyatt does deserve a little love, although you... After New Mexico? Come on, guys. Yeah. I mean... Yeah. But we don't know what you applied for. Oh. What did you apply for, like... He says everything. The best of the best, or did you... He even did Barbary. Did you even do Javelina? Or is that even available? I did do Barbary. I did the Oryx. I did off-range Oryx. Yeah.

Barbary. What were your deer choices? My deer choices were tough. Yeah. That's... I don't feel bad for him. I don't feel bad for him.

Although, Cash drew. You didn't. I drew. You did it. Adam drew. You did it. Yeah, we did. We drew. But it was abnormal. It was one of the most abnormal years. And I did feel bad for you. But, Wyatt, you've got plans. I know it. I'm not sure what they are. We'll see. Part of my problem, just to answer your question, Jason, before we move any further forward with Wyoming, There we go.

Is that, as you know, that's been shortened to a 10-day hunt up there. Maybe 11. 11 with the one-day... What is it? Well, one day, the one-day extension... It's like the 15th to the 25th. So, it's like 11 days now, right? The addition they just ratified. But our Utah sheep season opens the 15th, which I'm usually really busy on. You know, not myself, but maybe one of you's table. Drives the desert tag, and that's where we want to be. But if not, I'll probably be with others for a few days of there. So, there's, call it three days of that gone. Yeah. And then I'm showing up for the last six or seven. No, it doesn't feel good. Yeah. It doesn't feel... It used to go to the 30th or October 1st or 5th, even. Now, it went to the 30th last year. This year, it went to the 25th. You know? The season date was kind of what did it for you? Kind of bugged you just a little. Well, I like to hunt...

And it's understandable. I know why they're doing it. October 1st. I know why they're doing it. And I'm not disagreeing with it. But just some years, our Utah sheep season starts, you know... This just starts the day, weekend, day before. 14th this year. So, I'm not going to be... Yeah. I'm going to miss the first few days. And then I don't want to get up there and hunt the last five or six. So, I'm out. All right.

So... I feel better about that. So, Jason... That explanation. Good. I feel better about that. Would you guys rather have random odds like New Mexico or preference points like Colorado? Douglas Miller would like to know. Yeah. I don't like Colorado. I mean, in general, I think everybody should have a chance at every tag you put in for. Just like Wyoming. I don't want to get off on a tangent, but the Wyoming sheep is a joke this year. They're taking thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars of people, sheep applications with no random tags. That's a joke. It is a joke. But I... But we do... We have said... Just a little bit... We have said that we do like the different systems. I like the diversity of all the states. The diversity of the systems. I don't want them all one... No. I don't like them all like New Mexico either. I don't... I think Colorado's the extreme.

I like a 25% random, at least, something. Yeah. And I know Colorado... Who knows? The nice thing on Colorado sheep, goat, moose is they are random. And then on... You know, even with giving a little more preference to people that have more points, and then with the deer, elk, and antelope, you can obviously kind of... I like being able to know and plan for what you're going to draw. The preference point side. I like that. And you do know that in Wyoming. You do know that in Utah. You do know that in Arizona. And still have a random element. Yeah. Yeah. It will make point creep worse in Colorado by taking 25% of them to random. It will. It will. But for kids or your second go around, it's nice to, hey, I want to put in for something hard. I may get it in a random draw. And the one thing about Colorado is there's so many deer options that it allows people down to zero points. Yeah.

Second choice. One, two, three, four, four. There's options for everyone. And so... Yeah. You still will have that. They've been able to get away with it and not have too much negative feedback because of that. Now, 44, I'll never get it. Well, you look at the... I don't even have a chance. Well, you look at what's going on with their elk. The elk is probably the worst example. Everything that's really... It's very extreme. They'll call it elite or call it their best. It all takes 26 to 33 points and it's never coming back. It's still not worth it. Most of them aren't. Yeah. Worth the points it takes to draw. What do you guys think? What do you think, Devin? I agree with you guys. I like the mixture. Both sides. I like a mixture of it. Random in some states. Yeah. Preference in some. I think Colorado is unique. Colorado deer is unique because there is a breadth of different... Yeah.

Options. Options you can draw.

Looking at both of them there, like a modified, I think, is definitely the best. Some kind of modified point system like a Utah that offers both. Utah. But if I had to choose between a New Mexico system or the Colorado preference, I'd take the New Mexico. Would you? Just for the random element. I would. Yeah. If that was the only two on earth, I would pick that. Which is hard. The random is so hard, too. Yeah. But it's hard looking at Colorado and knowing all these tags, you're never going to be. When was your last Idaho tag? Like you just, you know. Yeah. Or New Mexico, if that's all you had to rely on. This year? Yeah. Last New Mexico tag? That was below the belt. I was asking him that question.

What's your last New Mexico tag? That was very deliberate. I knew what the answer was. Colorado got caught. Like 14 days ago?

We're just teasing Wyatt about that. It's okay. I'm kind of over it. I tell you guys my cutting plans every year or every day, and then he brings it back. You've got something in store, Wyatt. He was the only one in New Mexico last year, though, if I remember. All right. Who? I beg to differ. I beg to differ. Well, okay, okay. Sorry. By choice. I forgot. I forgot. That was two years ago, too. Was it? Two years ago? No, Wyatt. Come on. What was it? That elk tag was last year, wasn't it? It was two years ago. Two years ago. Was that two years ago? Okay. Adam was the only one then last year. Yeah, it was two years ago. Yeah, last year I was in Alaska in October. That's right. So, two years ago you were the only one. Man, we're getting old. Adam wasn't the only one last year, either. Oh, come on. Jason? Come on. Yeah, how did that go, Jason? That blows the belt.

I've got some stuff for you, Coach. I got your back. Thanks. That's one of those fire starter tags that just wax paper burns better. Arizona OTC, for all intents and purposes. Okay. It's an option. All right, Paul. Okay, so this one's going to be probably fairly quick, I would assume. Would you rather shoot a 220-inch muley or a 150-inch desert bighorn sheep? Or Barnes 8 would like to know. Okay, well, start around the room.

A mule deer. I'm going deer. No question. 220. I mean. You said 220? Yeah. 220. Deer. I mean, come on. I'm lucky. I've already shot one, too. But, yeah. Probably would have had me at 197. 37, but. Net?

How's he built? Let's not go there. He's got three on one side. Is he a slick shake? Go ahead. Keep going, Paul. Okay. So, this is a pretty good one here. It's going to make you think. Paul, what are you shooting? Sheep or deer? Oh, deer. Okay. All right. Keep going.

Joe Sema would like to know, would you rather kill a 210-inch buck yourself, help your buddy kill a 220-inch deer or guide someone to a 240?

I'd shoot my own 210. Would you? I mean, I've guided 240s, and they're great, but I want a 210 for me. And I'm not being selfish. I've done that. You've done that, Jason. You've helped people do that. And then helping one of you guys shoot a 220 is not a whole lot bigger than the 210. But if there's a buck, so sometimes you're following these bucks, and you name them, and you love them, and you can't wait to see them again, and then you finally put your hands on them with a client, and he's 240. Like, sometimes a 240. Oh, trust me. A 240. It's a great feeling. But is it? Is it the same? You don't get to go home with it. It's not yours. Yeah. It's just like. What do you think, Wyatt? You're being kind. You're thinking hard. I'd take the selfish one and kill the 210 myself. That's what I'm saying. You wouldn't help Devin kill a 220? I mean, I would help him any day of the week.

Yeah, but we're not. Except for that day. Helping Devin kill this 220 over here, me kill this 210 right here. That's almost the same dude. And I don't blame you, because I do the same thing. It's just so hard. Well. Yeah. Kind of a cool question, though. Paulette? What'd you say? That's a good one. I'd probably do the 210. Geez. I can't answer it. I'm not going to answer it. Come on. That's not an option here. That is it. We're answering the question. What you rather is like, there's a gun to your head. There's a snake right there. You have to answer. 210 typical or 210 grosser grosser? Well, here we go.

210-inch mule deer is what it says. And he's going to ask if it's velvet or hard animal. Do you have one? If it's velvet. No. But anyway, because fleshed out. You're talking about a 190. Come on. Something. What? I was going to ask if you have one that scores exactly 210. Because, I mean, you kind of need them all. Is that it, Jason? You need a 208. You missed that gap. You've got a 207. I know you've got a 207 for Nevada. Yeah, so you're missing that. At some point, the way this management's going, we're not even going to have 210s. Yeah. So maybe you do. Maybe you smash every 210. That's what I'm saying. No matter what. That's what I'm saying. All right. 210. Smash it. All right. Like it. So here's a good question. Open sight. Muzzle. Addle, addle. Slin and M Hunt 74 would like to know. And this is a question for all of us except for Jason, I suppose.

Would you rather hunt with your wife or Jason? My wife. Really? That's the question. Does it say that? Yeah. I didn't like him. I just read him. Is that J.M. Carter at 74? Who wrote? Who typed that with him? This is Lynn. Slin and M Hunt 74. And CJ. Yeah. I don't know, Jason. That could be Janice's question. I'd be careful answering that. But he doesn't have answers. He doesn't have answers. All of us. No, it's for all of us. Would you rather hunt with Becky or me? Come on. She knows I would rather hunt with Becky. Yeah. I'd be disappointed. I'd be disappointed. I'd be disappointed. I'd be disappointed. I'd be disappointed. I'd be disappointed. Yes. Thank you. I'd be disappointed. She wouldn't even want to go. It's not. Your wife's pretty particular. She likes to go. She'll get it. She's okay? Are we hunting together? Yeah. Okay, I'll bring the chefs. You're pretty good on the glass.

Snake chefs. Snake chefs. Yeah. All right. Makes me feel better. Pollock? Pollock. Your wife is a hunter. That's a good one for Pollock. She'll even hook up to the camp trader without you. Oh, sorry.

Sorry, darling. But hey. Who put their wife in aggressively for any tags this year? Just while we're on that topic. I kind of did. I applied, Jan. I'm pretty aggressive. In what state? Most of them. She has 20 plus points in some of these states. Yeah. So, well. I mean, she's the point booster of all point boosters. But you're using her for that purpose or for a wrong tag? No, I'm using it so she can kill stuff. Yeah. Unless there's a real need for the point boosting. Yeah.

All right. What about you? I think I'll be hunting with my wife this year on a good tag. No kidding. Probably. We'll see. We'll see how Colorado goes. Oh, yeah. I remember. The other ones, she's got mid-teens. She's going to be doing the preference point where you can kind of gauge when she can get drawn. Oh, she's drawn. Trust me. Yeah. Okay. What about Miranda? She's got her in for maybe a general. She says we have enough deer meat. We need antelope and elk meat. That's her exact words. Do you need antelope meat? She needs. My wife does not need antelope meat. It's just what she said. She wants to do Wyoming. Does she do in Utah or does she choose deer elk in Utah unlimited? She is elk. Oh. She must be. She's applied. Yeah. Okay.

Antelope is in the Wyoming thing maybe, huh? Okay. My wife's got quite a few points, but she's still just in the random. Yeah. Yeah. Utah elk. Utah elk. You can have 20 to 25 and be in random still as a resident. Just the way it is. Do you apply aggressive for your wife? She's in the random. She's in the random, so I did like muzzle order elk. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Well, for all of our sakes, hopefully we get a chance to hunt with our wives this year. Even though, despite what the answer to this question.

We love them and we'd like to take them hunting. That's right. We love you, darling. Okay. This one is for Jason. Since how the last one was. I love these for Jason. So, would you rather take 10 million cash? I love these ones. Cash? Or? Hunter Biden cash. 10 million. Yeah. Cocaine cash. 10 million cash. Or know where the world record mule deer is currently living, but you have to tell someone else about it. What do you mean? What kind of question? That means you don't get to go just kill it? You don't get to kill him. You have to tell someone else about it. Well, that's what? That's a no-brainer. Take 10 now. What do you mean? Yeah. That'd go by every tag. Is it non-typical or typical? Jason. It doesn't matter. It's not yours. You got to tell someone else about it and they're going to kill it. Are we going to see a new world record animal? We're talking beating the Burris buck.

Could you imagine? Or the Chip Lake buck. And are you happy where you're at? Like, is 10 million going to change your life? It will. Jason, do you have to ask yourself that question? Do you really have to ask that question? I love this. Here's what you do. You take the 10 mil and you go buy the tag to hunt that deer. You can't. You have to tell somebody that kills them. Oh, come on. You can't hunt him. But you could buy governor tags until the day you died and hunt. Yeah. That's a lot of gov tags right there. Yeah, you take the 10 mil. But, man. Do you guys think we're going to do this? No. This spurs on a bigger question. Do you think we'll ever break a record? No. Not unless there's, let's put it this way, fishy stuff that goes on. Yeah. South the border. Or maybe even North Saskatchewan comes on. Yeah, it gets under quotes, free range. No. But the records are kind of there.

I feel like we're flirting with that happening. Under the auspices of free range deer and all that. It feels like crap like that. That's how I can see it. You just never know. You know, Arizona or something without having trochams and, you know, I don't know. And they're pretty tightly regulated. There could be something. If there is an opportunity, it would come out of something like that. Like a kayabab buck. Like the strip, I wonder if it's got a little, it's limitations. I mean, that desert stuff is pretty, but you've, you know, kayabab, they get fed water. I don't know how they make a living. They've sealed plenty of 250 to 300s over the years. Oh, 300 each year before. 300 like hardhorn threes. I think they're more like. We're going to get nitpicked here. Two seventies. One was a three by frame. I mean, yeah. That's no joke. Dino's no joke. I mean. So I call 290, 300.

That's what I, that's just in that realm. All right. So I. That's a no. And I'm. And what is that? 320 is what? What's the record? Every day. The Burroughs box in the 355. Yeah. It's 355. Yeah. Yeah. And that was what? Not without genetic modification. Yeah. The VC. That ain't without modification these days, releasing and like I said, fishiness. Yeah. That. I don't see it happening. And the Burroughs box, what? 227. 227. So net. Typical. What'd you call the VC buck? Chip Lake buck. 235. Yeah. You said. 355. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. You flipped those. But anyway. Yeah. It just. Anyway. Cool stuff. Yeah. Take 10 mil. Got to pay taxes on it. Okay. It's a bummer. You got five mils. It's cashed. If you get it right. Split your assets if you have to have. If you have a bad relationship or something. You know. Anyway. I'll never have to worry about that. Nice recovery. Now you're down to two mil.

Pretty soon. Pretty soon. You wish you had the world record. You could sell it for two mil. You didn't say you could kill it. Speaking about those crappy fuzzy horn strip bucks. General unit would like to know. Would you rather have a strip tag? Or be the only one that can hunt 24 during archery? Oh yeah. A strip tag. Don't you guys think. I don't know. 24 is pretty. Let's just assume it's a great moisture year in both places. And healthy. Yep. Healthy. Robust populations. I'd take a strip tag. It tests everything you got. But you look at last year. No. Would you rather have the 24 tag or the strip? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. 24. Produced a couple 250 plus. It does say with archery equipment only. So that is a disadvantage. Yeah. But still. They're killable. And you got long seasons and stuff. So I don't know. How about that? You guys? That's a tough one honestly. Definitely. That's tough.

I don't want to hunt the strip. You know. Most consistent I think would be the strip. Strip. Yeah. I don't know. That feels like you're better. But teams and. Better odds of rolling. It's heavy competition. If you're by yourself over here. It's so nice. Did it say if you were by yourself? Yeah. If you're by yourself in 24. It's pretty dang good. What do you call it? The enjoyability. Satisfaction rate. You're going to have an epic hunt. Well. If it's good moisture. You will hunt to 20 to 30 bucks there. Yeah. You're by yourself? By yourself in the 20. In 24s. Yeah. You will. You will. With the ball. Yeah. On a good year. I'm just saying. You will. When does it not have that in really good moisture years? It really does. So. Down there. Last year. It didn't produce. No. Last year was kind of a. Ho-hum year. But they still did really well. Still did really well.

But we're just judging it from strip standards. You thought it would be even a little bit better. Yeah. We did. This year, Wyatt. What do you think? Maybe the second moisture year is the good one? What's your prediction? On the strip? I think it's going to be a good year. I've always heard that. It's going to be phenomenal. The second moisture year is the. In desert areas. That makes sense. Give them a year to recoup. Get their bodies in tip-top shape. Their bodies should be in tip-top shape. Going into the second year. Still great food. First year is for their bodies. Second year is for the antler. Kind of thing. Yeah. On the fat reserves. Yeah. I don't know any. Condition. Scientific data behind it. Just have heard that. Just a gut. Hunter feel. Yeah. On the ground. Boots on the ground feel. What do you think, Cash? Yeah. I would agree. I think second year, likewise.

It just makes sense. If you feel like Nevada or Arizona for you. I'd rather be by myself. Yeah. Out there. With your team? With your homies? Yep. The epic homies? With the homies? Yeah. All right. Yep. I'd be out there. Okay.

So. Pollock? Yeah. I'd probably take it. Archery? Nevada, too. Yeah. Archery? Yeah.

All right.

One weapon. Horse season. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. That RX-7 that I haven't really. Wouldn't get a new bow. The new tags require new bows, right? They do. Hey, speaking of, yeah. Remember that? New tags, new bows. Let's throw that out there again. Throw it out there, Bronson. Got a couple of hoids. How about that? Around here. We're going to use some of them for some promo things coming up, but might have an extra one or two. If you draw an awesome archery tag or an RX-8 or Alpha-X, give us a call. All right. So, you have one weapon. Steve Evans would like to know if you have one weapon slash season date forever. Bow, muzzy, or rifle. For what? It doesn't say species or anything. It just says one weapon or season. Like you are an archery hunter for the rest of your life. So, essentially, you have to identify as that hunter the rest of your life. I'd pick a bow.

I just, if the season structure stays, you always get to go first, like in the case of elk, usually, and deer. I usually do that right now when I get to choose. It's what I usually pick, and I know that's least effective, but I love scouting and hunting first. I've said it, and I'll say it again. Yeah. There's validity there. Especially elk. Longer season dates. Elk is no brainer. Deer, even, they're patternable. They're patterned. You get to scout them all summer, and they're still acting the same in opening day. That doesn't always happen on muzzleloaders and rifles later. It's just, that's my philosophy. Yeah. To hunt big deer. And, yeah, we love hunting big deer in the rut. But, I mean, those tags are so rare. Yeah, they are.

What do you think, Wyatt? I think I'd have to go archery as well. Archery? Yeah, for a guy that hunted for eight hours last year and killed a .220. And eight hours is just because we wanted to have our lunch. That's the best book of your life. Eight hours was rounding way. It was more like rifle. Yeah, I was about six. Sitting in that three-legged chair for a while felt like eight hours. But it couldn't have been. Well, you had your pants on. What about muzzleloader? The muzzleloader gives you kind of a happy medium. Yeah. I'm kind of fond of muzzleloaders. Solid dates, too, with a muzzleloader. I guess in some states. Yeah, it depends on the season date. Because you can still pick up some summer pattern to them, but have a little more reach. Generally speaking. Not all states even have muzzleloader seasons. I mean, for the most part. Wyoming doesn't for the most part.

Montana added that new heritage one in December, which is a token. And then token. But. Oh. Yeah. So, let's see. Cash, you got an opinion? After you mentioned muzzleloaders. But you got a new rifle coming. I think I'm still going to go with a bow, though. Just to echo what Adam said. Like, you can scout them. You got archery elk in September most of the time. And that's the ruts. They always go first. I like that, too. I think I'd go with a bow. But having said that, even Adam and I, we're all applying for various seasons. Rifle, muzzleloader, archery. Depending on the state and the plans. And what you think you're going to get in one state might take care of the archery dates. Like, say, archery general in Utah or something. Like, I don't want a whole bunch of other archery deer tags. You know, or if you're getting on archery deer in Nevada or archery elk in one state,

you're going to draw in September. All right, now you've got to avoid other stuff then. So, I don't put in for archery in every state. Because I know if that happens, I've got tags on top of exact seasons. And we've always contended, like, the muzzleloader season, deer season in Nevada is the best season. Yeah, it's a good one. Least amount of tags, September 10th opener. And it's almost like an archery season in other states. And you can kill them. September 10th opener is not a whole lot different from a behavior standpoint, patternable standpoint. And I like the least amount of tags. They give more on the archery, less on muzzle, more on rifle. Yeah. So, that's, yeah, I'm kind of in that same boat. It just depends on the situation. We've talked about Wyoming, G&H. And, you know, you can go early. September 1, if you want. With archery. But when we've hunted it, we never have.

Because the rifle is generally early enough. 15th, yeah. And then you always got stuff going September 1. You know, other stuff. It feels like. What do you think, Devin? I'm with you. I'm with Adam. You make some good points. Archery? You're always going first. Yeah. You really have more opportunity. Length of season. And there's even archery. There's even late season archery tags. If you want to hunt rutting bucks, you could. Really. And there is nothing. When you arrow a giant deer. With a bow? It does feel really good. There is nothing like that. It does. There's no joke. For the rush. It is such a rush. Oh, yeah. What do you think, Wyatt? You're the. Wyatt. Oh, I went with archery. Wyatt went with archery. That rush. Yeah. On the hills. Cut one loose on that. On the eight-hour kill from last year. Totally. And that's eight because he was up at three in the morning. He couldn't sleep.

He was probably up before that. You know why. Oh. I don't know. When he was dead by one or two. Midday. I don't know what it was. But one or two in the afternoon. He was totally. But it was a lot of days of scouting that went into two. Yes. No. Yeah. We knew where it needed to be. Tons of prep. Tons. But, I mean, it happened. Yeah. Yeah. It came together. But you've got to go first. Wyatt. If you weighed a rifle, that deer would have been dead. Yeah. Never would have weighed a muzzle. So, would you rather shoot your rifle buck, your big deer first? Your first? There's something about a hard-worn deer with bloodlines. There is. There is. Bloodlines. If I had to pick, I'd pick a hard antler buck over. You kind of asked me to pick my favorite child. So, now we've done it. It's easy. So, now we've done it.

Would you rather archery hunt deer the rest of your life, but they are velvet bucks, but they're patterned, or swap it up once in a while to be able to hunt hard antler deer with bloodlines and beautiful brown antler. Brown chocolate. It's going to be harder to kill them in October. But velvet gets, I like velvet, but then you're kind of like, man, but you get something. You kind of want to see what's underneath. Yeah, you kind of see it. They're mule deer, and I feel like I love them all. Yeah. You know? That's right. Okay, whatever. Just like your children. What about your two bucks that you have killed, the hard horn and the velvet, standing side by side? There you go. We're talking muscle order. So, he's killed more than two, but we're talking the two giant. Yeah, the two giant. Yeah, I'm saying you don't have either one of those, and you have to relive that. Net Booker.

Which one do you choose? Hard antler. Probably the Net Booker. I mean, that's a pretty hard feat. It is. Yeah, it is. It's one in a million. Pollock, you haven't answered that question. I don't know. I'd probably have to say archery as well. Yeah. But thankfully, we don't have to choose. Thankfully, we don't. I've had hardcore archers that won't veer from archery because they either have an archery shop or that's their thing. That's what they're known for. And one of them said one day, he says, I'm kind of jealous you guys get to kill wolves. He says, I feel like as an archer, I never get to kill wolves. I'll put that down. Go for the right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But that's who they are and that's who they identify as and so they can't veer from that. Yep. And you're like, man. I'm weapon fluid. Yeah. There you go. It's a good term.

I can transition to a muzzle loader pretty quick. So you identify as a... I can transition to a... You identify as... Yeah. As a... Whatever the season date is at the time, I can transition back to an archery hunter. Whatever. Yeah. All right. All right. Okay. We all do that. So, let's see. Are we about done with these? Close. Keep going. Let's get them close. Crank them out. Rifle CJ underscore hunt underscore one would like to know, rifle hunt bucks on the Arizona strip or hunt rifle September on San Carlos for bulls?

Strip? Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. No brainer. I mean, that would be special though. Like Jason. Let's talk... Well, that's the one thing I need. We talked about 400 inch elk and they got them. I don't have one. Josh does. That's not cool. He's the only one. I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. And you've killed 380s. I've killed 380s. Like we've killed some big bulls here at the table. Like, Bronson, we should talk about this elk thing a little bit. We fleshed out just even getting the tag. We've talked about $2,500 tags. You could kill a potential giant in Colorado. Give yourself a $2,500 elk tag. What do you got? Do you even have a chance? You can't even buy your way into a big bull at times in comparison to deer. In blue collar terms. You could take a general deer tag in Utah, even though we're disenchanted.

Or a one or two point draw tag in Colorado or a landowner tag $1,500, $2,000, whatever. And you hit it right. You might kill a 200 inch buck. Devon and I's tag in New Mexico. You know, there's potential for it. Yeah. But you go take that same caliber of tag on the elk side of things. Yeah. What's an equivalent elk in the 200 inch? In New Mexico, you're going to kill a .380 or .400. No. Right? So it kind of puts it into perspective of how hard it is to kill a big, big giant. Really hard. Bookhead bull. Big, big. 400 plus gross, whatever you want to call it. You got to be at least .385 gross or 10 inches of deduction to even get .375. 12s light. I mean, maybe 15, 20 sometimes. A real symmetrical bull. Yeah. I mean, it's a feat. It is. And we see a few of them every year, and they're at the next level.

So you bringing up the fact that when you start to remind us all, well, yeah, but you've killed some deer. You need this on the elk side of things. San Carlos is one of the few places it could happen.

So you switch it. So I'm going to switch. I don't know. Well, Bronson brought it up, and I'm just like, yeah, the debate. It's a great question. It actually, 99% of the time, I'd usually just say strip deer and move on. Well, there's some things about the strip. I've been to San Carlos and seen so. Like, if one of us draws a strip tag, we're all going to be there. Yeah. And so that is how we're going to make it happen versus the San Carlos. I'm going to hire somebody because you have to. Yeah. And let's say. And I don't get to enjoy it with y'all as much. I mean, maybe. Let's just say that aside. Let's say, yeah, just the pure experience of going to the strip and holding the rifle or San Carlos for 400. That's just. Strip. Straight up. I'll pick that, too. I'd be strip. Strip. Strip. Strip. Strip. Pollock. Strip. Okay. Pollock, you said you identified as a big bull guy the other day.

Yeah, but he's got something over 400. That was your thing. Right now, he's got tags in his pocket that he feels like he's, you know, king of the elk world right now. Tag. Like the best tag in the state. No, ma'am. With the 416 on the wall already or whatever he was. 18. When are you going to feel like you've had enough of the big bulls? Don't I kill enough? It's never going to happen. Yeah. You can't. You can always need to kill more. Yep. All right. So.

He's gleaning past the ones that are dressed to him. That's what that awkward pause was. CJ. That's coming from CJ. He's a good hunter. He's killed a lot of stuff in New Mexico. Back to CJ's question. Just. Anyway, those guys know their stuff down there. I kind of. It reminds me of the residency questions. And like, where would you want to be a resident? So that's what. They're in New Mexico. I freaking. So I.K.A. Like New Mexico a lot. There's no named animals. There's animals that are giants that don't have any names. But anyway. The kale cook says, which state would you rather be a resident strictly for hunting purposes?

What are you grinning about? I'm just wondering where you're going to. Where are you going to live in New Mexico? I don't know. I was thinking. Cuba would be my place. It's a pretty little place. And you can afford some property there. I mean, it's. Dulce. Trust me. Farmington. You can live there if you want. Where are you living, Wyatt? Gallup. No. Sorry. Albuquerque. No. Santa Fe. Carrizosa. No. Corona.

No. Truth or Consequences. Tucumcari. These are all. These are all towns we've been to. I've spent nights in these towns. Some of you guys. Concepcion. Reserve ain't bad. You live in the mountains. T or C? Yeah. All right. What is the real question? Reserve. You're going to live in reserve. Yeah. You're an elk guy. That's where you live. There or Alma?

Good point. That's a good. That's a very tough question. You're starting to move to the desert. There's gas in both places. What was the real question, Paul? Which state, strictly for hunting purposes, would you like to be a resident in? Be a resident of? Oh. Okay.

Go ahead. It'd have to be Arizona or Wyoming. That's what I think, Arizona. I think Wyoming. Wyoming, clearly, you're the superior. Do we need to move to Epic headquarters? No. No. Wyoming, you would be the superior resident. I feel they're the superior residents above all residents. Just ask them. But I think Arizona probably. I mean, think about it, Devin, when we were down there hunting on your tag and you were talking to those people that they're like, oh, here's four years ago. Every four years. They draw a lot. You know? They do, but it's still, you have. Like, they have all kinds of crazy stuff. Well, and I guess you get the OTC deer. True OTC deer. Javelina. What? Jason. Really? We get it now. That's a selling point. Well, I'm just saying. That is not even in the equation. Game in general. I'd hunt the three kinds of quail before I shot one of those. Is there only three kinds?

I don't know. Is there only three? Whatever. Hybrid quail. I'll shoot them all. Fishing. Next level. Summertime lake activities. Incredible. The only thing I. Porky swine. I do think it's nice. Yeah. 110 degrees every day. Sam and these guys are dry hunting lions. Right now. Today, he's hunting lion. Guaranteed. I think Arizona, though, we do have alluring places we like to hunt, but in all reality, I wouldn't pick it because it's still for the stuff you want, Jason. Or maybe we would, I would want on the upper end elk. It's still not coming around that often. Big bulls. Big bulls. Big bulls and big deer. You're not getting. Versus a Wyoming or even a Colorado deer. Colorado residents can draw deer tags. Easy, good tags. They can. But I don't know. Colorado's politics. I couldn't live there. I couldn't go there. No. The politics are rough. I guess if we just say for hunting purposes.

All right, Paul, that was the question. I would probably say, yeah, maybe Wyoming. I don't know. Wyoming's awesome. They do have incredible games. You would get the most tags consistently in Wyoming. You get general deer and elk every year. What about Idaho? Idaho guys have it good, too. Not bad. I mean, you're talking like geese and duck and freaking. You're going to javelina and waterfowl. I'm just saying. That does not even enter my mind. I'm just saying as an outdoorsman. Okay. As an outdoorsman. When's the last time you've shot a duck or a goose? I don't even like them. Okay. Why are you saying it, then? As an outdoorsman. Outdoor activities are numerous. You can look at those. You can go with Wyatt to the freaking snow goose place in Delta and see him. Wyatt, did you kill one? I did not. Did anybody in your party kill one? Yeah, they killed someone.

And you can be unplugged out there. Not in your party. Uh-huh. The people next door? The people next door killed a bunch. And some of your guys did kill someone. All right. I missed out. Jason, you bring up javelina and waterfowl. Have you ever shot either in your life? I just look. A selling. Those are selling points. I would never kill a. You know why? Because javelina, you've got to freaking eat it. Or you want wasted destruction of wildlife. And everybody else feeds it to their dogs. So why would you bring it up as a selling point? But Jason Carter would be hung to dry. I'd be in prison still to this day. My point is this. Don't use them as a selling point. You can't. Same with the duck. I'm going to have grandkids someday. We're going to kill some stuff. So we need to have an epic porky swine hunt down in Arizona. And we're all going to kill one. We're all going to eat it.

We're going to bust the smoker out. And we're going to take care of it. The snakes are big in Arizona, Devin. That's a problem. I always said I would move to Nevada. I always said. Nevada would be there. But it's changed. It's changed over there. And then you've got a seven-year weight, man. On your elk. I mean, yeah. Is there seven or five? Seven on elk. It's seven, too? As a resident? Okay. It's not. You're not. You're going to hunt deer a little more often. You're out for seven freaking years. And is an antelope still like three? Three on antelope? Yeah. Like you don't get to hunt very much in Nevada. Even as a resident, you really don't. It's not the one I'd pick. I'd pick Arizona over Nevada and take my chances drawing something good, personally, and not have waiting periods. I know. It's not the state for me anymore. We didn't consider, like, Iowa, your whitetail state out there.

Over-the-counter whitetail. I can't stand the place. I actually can't stand the place. Whoa, that sounded harsh. It is harsh. I actually like it. What I like here, though, is I like mule deer, elk. And public land. Public land. I like mountains, our seasons, our four seasons, all, you know, a red state comes to mind. I mean, things like that. This was just for hunting purposes. Right. We have to eliminate. For hunting purposes, strictly hunting purposes. And I'm not. Tags. Under the current systems. If you did, let's do this. Utah's not a bad place to live. Yeah, it's not. Utah's not really not that bad. Utah's not a bad place to live. It isn't. Okay, let's do this. Utah changes their deer system to where now it's all on a limited draw. One point system, one deer. You choose the species, deer, elk, or antelope. If it's elk, it's elk. End of story. No general deer for you.

How does that change Utah in your mind for ranking on your satisfaction as a hunter living as here as a resident? Do I still get my lifetime license somehow? That's not fair to ask. Yes, it is. Because people are out there wondering, and you're jaded with a lifetime license. No, I just want to go. No, for this purpose, no. Okay, I like it. Okay. I'm moving to Arizona. You're moving, period, right? No, I don't. If they take the general deer away, dedicated deer away, all of that, what are you hunting in Utah? What would you be hunting? Spike elk. That's what I was going to say. I like it. Archery, you could shoot a cow. Yeah. How about that? Like it? I'm moving. I'm moving. I'd be moving. We might. You'd want to live in Wyoming or Arizona. I would like that. And so then we would vote. If it was only hunting and nothing else.

So then we vote as an epic crew, and let's sell our places, and let's move. We ready? Start a settlement somewhere? No, we don't even need to be that creative. We could live right next to St. George.

No, we might. I'm telling you. Yeah. Hypothetically. I don't want to hunt once every... You know what? We're going to come away with this podcast. We're going to go do some realty work and figure this stuff out. If you're a realtor, why don't you go ahead and give us a call? We'll find it. I'm being dead serious. If you've got compound with eight-foot walls around it. If you're an elk and you're even semi-deep into it... You've got to stay. You're screwed? You're not hunting deer, period? Yeah. Not hunting deer. That's what they're talking about. Are they not talking about that, Pollock or Bronson? Yeah, they're talking about it. I mean, there's people here in our town that are pushing for it. Yeah. That are even leading the charge. And they're not even long-term residents here. But anyway, what do you think? I'm moving.

That's a big deal, right? It would change. That's a big deal. And when was the last general deer you all killed? 2018. I just had to answer that not long ago. Oh, you did? On your survey. Yeah. I hope I was right. When was the last general deer you guys killed? Seriously, I'm looking at mine going, I mean, that changes my mentality. But part of it is because I like the option to go. I go. I go with my kids. There's 14 layers to the satisfaction on a general hunt. I want to see mature bucks. But I also want to be able to go. And right now we can go. We're not going every year with the exception of a lifetime. But you're playing the point game, dedicated, general. Maybe it's an archery general. If you really want to go, you can feel like you can name bucks and maybe even have a tag before they die of old age. Things like that, right?

Pollock, you've been running a ton of cameras on your general stuff. You get a lot of satisfaction out of that. Oh, yeah. You're looking for a buck you saw this last year. Like, you've already got plans, right? Oh, yeah. But if you couldn't ever draw that once every 10 years, once every eight years, whatever it settles in at. It'd be terrible. It'd be stupid. Yeah. Kind of crazy. So do we need to move? Are we talking about that? Are we talking about where we would go? Well, that was the original question. Yeah. Colorado City? No. There's probably some property you can afford there. Half-built houses. There's probably some compounds, too. We could do an epic compound down there. They have them. Live out in the cane beds? I get floor one. You get floor two. Or you get floor one. Choose your floor. My family gets the basement, okay? Your family gets floor one. Bronson?

Probably a lot of feral cats. Good call on that. Probably a lot of feral cats down there. But in Colorado City, you probably get away with doing whatever you wanted with them. I don't know the Arizona laws. Good question reader guy. Yeah. So let's get back to. So I'm intrigued by that, by the way. I think we need to revisit that. Let's do. We'll have a meeting after this. You also said something the other day. You were really intrigued. That would be a heck of an incredible spike hunt. What unit were you talking about? There was a unit you said that about. And it was on my sticky notes in my desk. I don't remember the unit. Well, what we were talking about. You said that would be an amazing spike hunt. We were talking about the numbers of spike hunters in all of these units. And we were going over those. Yes. You know, saying, holy crap. Yes, that's what it was.

There's 1,300 hunters over here. Yeah. But then over here, there's nothing. Or say, I was thinking about San Juan, where there's no population base. And then you reminded me. People like San Juan. They'll drive from Salt Lake to San Juan for the spike hunt. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, that's a good point. Okay. Man, that's. I mean, incredible spike hunt. And it was all in relative terms. You didn't give yourself. A conversation was meant for me and you only back in the office now. You didn't. Well, you didn't give yourself 15 minutes before you actually spoke. I know. I never do. And that's my problem. Ask Jana. So, on that note, Tanner17 Stanford says, would you rather have an Arizona strip tag or an unlimited use of get out of hot water with your wife card?

Go ahead. Yeah. I'm going to pass on that. How many times can I say a strip tag? Yeah. A strip tag. A strip tag. Yeah. A hundred percent. We got good wives. Yes, we do. Every one of us here at the table have good wives. Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead, somebody. Tell me I'm wrong. You are not wrong. You are not wrong. Your wife would want you to be happy and they know I'd be happy on the strip. I'd take a camp trailer 50 miles out there, clean out the dust, and invite her in.

Set a few mousetraps. Set a few mousetraps. Bring some water. Put on some. Bring some white mousetraps. Bring some spray foam to hit every track in that tree. Heat up some javelina loin. Oh, come on. Come on. That thing, you'd get a stink in that trailer. Those things are disgusting. You'd never get it out of the cushions. You'd never get the scent out of it. We should give away something for somebody to send in a recipe of javelina. No. Their favorite javelina recipe. No. No. Which, the last thing we asked out of Arizona, we still haven't got a reply. By the way, let's announce that. Let's announce that right here. Go ahead. We announced to everybody on the podcast that one of those, I think there were six limited entry hunts that they drew down there this year. Wasn't there? Six of them? Yes. No response. No response.

If you drew one of those, we were going to give you like, what was it, $500 worth of stuff? No, more than that. $600 cash. No, no, no, no. Two from you, two from me. Oh, yeah. That was for the 12B. That was if it was a tryback. Oh, 12. Yes, that's right. Thanks for quantifying that. Just anyone, even if it was a coos or whatever, they were going to receive a window mount, a vortex spotting scope, and a tripod. Yeah. Didn't happen. We still own those. So we're going to sell those at half cost here. Wyatt's theory, which I'm actually siding more with Wyatt every day. He says it didn't happen. They say the states, they've all been contacted. Really? I think it's a money grab. They say they've been contacted, accepted, and charged for the tag fee. Wyatt said it before the application opened. Yeah. He said, you know, we've never heard from a winner. Not one. Ever. Well, and then there was one.

We did. We put one on a cover the first time. Besides that one. That's right. Right. But then after that. And just so we know, that contest is over. We gave you a month to reply. No, it's not. I really want to know. No, it's over. Bronson, I'll give him something. My $200 is off the table. Okay. Well, John's isn't. Okay. All right. They get $400. Get $200. John. John's not here. John will pay you $200. Anybody that drew that Unit 12 tag for deer, we want the story, and we're going to give you a plethora of stuff. On that special draw. On that special draw. The limited entry. We're not talking caibab archery. Talking the draw that just occurred in April. Yeah. I don't know how. Why don't we get sidetracked over to there? I don't know. Something movie. Yeah. Okay. But I'm with Wyatt. We're getting down to the wire here. So have you guys thought about a couple questions for Pollock?

I don't know. I've thought about lunch. There is none. I've thought about lunch right now. Would you rather survive? End-down commission meeting. Huh? End-down commission meeting. Yeah. Let's get this done. Would you rather survive a bear attack or live without white monsters the rest of your life? You have to think about it? He's still thinking. No. I'm just thinking. So did the bear attack happen and you died? If you select the white monster. Survive. Survive a bear attack. Survive a bear attack. How about... So either way, you're giving up. But if you say, I would rather have white monsters, that means you died in the bear attack. Yeah. So you're not getting a white monster either way. I'd rather quit white monsters right now and never get attacked by a bear. Me too. That's what I'm thinking. That's what... If that's the answer, I mean, I'd quit that cold turkey.

You'd never see me turn back. I've thought about... I thought yesterday I was going to quit monster, then today came. I've done it for periods, just to show myself I can actually do it. I don't know if I want to quit. I don't know why you're looking at me. Maybe we should quit. Maybe. Should we quit white monsters? I haven't had one for quite some time. Jason, you speak for yourself right now because we've all got our own vices at certain times in different places. I don't know. I thought it's probably not healthy, but I haven't had a kidney stone yet. I don't drink water. I had one today. Right here. That's dirty water. It had the redmond relight in it and relit me. Pretty good stuff. Okay. So we are down to two.

Arjorne2 wants to know if you want to hunt a unit with a total deer population of 500 with a buck-to-dow ratio of 10 to, or excuse me. Okay. One to one. Hunt a unit with a total deer population of 500 with a 20 to 100 buck-to-dow ratio or 1,000 deer with a 10 to 100 buck-to-dow ratio. How many big bucks? What's the average age?

They're both going to be tough. 10 to 20, yeah, it's double. We're hunting the 20s. That's still not a huge enough difference to me. I'd take the 500. Yeah. You've got to see some. When you go down to 10 to 100. And you realize eight or nine of them are yearling bucks probably. Yeah, and you don't call them bucks. When you're in that phase, right? Yeah. You're identifying them as half and half, not even a buck, really. They're apparently a dead deer walking anyway. Yeah, apparently. So you might as well kill them now before the coyote gets them. But the coyote's still going to eat, so he's going to kill his twin. You know, anyway. Save your bullet.

Jake breaking somebody else. I thought it was red dawn. We live on an airport. Okay, so the last question. This is it. At least from the audience, we've got a few ourselves. This is the last one, and then, yeah, the recording's going to stop here when this one's done. It better be bouncing because it's not recording this. It's been gold. It says, would you or honker coal? We don't need to read all the names. I'm just guessing he probably identifies as a honker. As a goose hunter. Probably one of our best friends. Don't even go there. He's a waterfowl hunter. Would you rather never hunt again or vote for Joe Biden in 2024? Do you care about the future and your grandkids? I'd be voting. My vote actually doesn't feel like it matters. Yeah, I'd vote. Vote Joe Biden? He's going to win whether you vote for him or not. He's not going to win Utah.

Your vote might not even make it into the real conference. Well, with that attitude, Wyatt. Yeah. Sorry. We live in Utah. Wyatt's got a good point. This goes back to Wyatt's six tags in Arizona. Did it really happen? Did your vote even happen when you do vote? Well, in Utah, the way the electoral college works, Utah's all of our electoral votes are not going to go for Biden in this state. So if six of us vote Democrat, it's not going to change it. So that's what we're doing. But it doesn't matter. Do you feel good about it? No. Even if my vote... But I feel good when I get to go hunting. Even if I was the only vote, the only American, and I was the only one that mattered, I'd still do it. You'd do what? Because I'd rather be happy and deal with that. Are you going to be happy? What would I do? Joe would come take your gun. If you didn't hunt anymore, what would you do?

But if you're the only American, and it's you and Joe, he's going to be like, Devin, hand me your hat. Yeah, that's something to think about. He's going to be like Devin. Do you think Joe could pry that out of your hands? Yeah. It would be you and Joe. You would really hurt an old guy? He'd wrestle you. He wants... I'm just saying, if you didn't hunt, what would you do? For recreation and just to... Vote? Have other hobbies. Golf? Learn how to read? Learn how to read? Start golfing? What are you going to do? I don't know. Do some good things for humanity? I mean, I'd probably go to the Elks Lodge and see what they got going on. Bingo? Join a bingo club? I might. Okay. I just don't think I... I know I wouldn't be as happy. I'd go to the hospital. I'd go to the hospital and visit Pass Out Flowers. It doesn't matter anyway, because any vote you place in 2024, the machine's going to say

it was a Biden vote, so it doesn't matter. Which is what Wyatt would contend. It can happen. So our vote's going dim. So either way, you're voting for Biden and we're still hunting, I guess. But you still have no soul if you vote dim. That's what I'm saying. You don't, but... But I guess... At that point, it's... I'd be with you. It's a free-for-all. Fed for yourself at that point. Yeah. Take my serial number dam-o. So... Wyatt, do you have anything for Paulette? Did you come up with anything in this last hour? I haven't come up with anything good enough to... To really give it to him. What's a good would-you-rather for him? I just... I want to make him think. I don't know. Well... Here's...

Would you rather...

So something based off going back to work for the DWR and allowing them to change your ratios the way they see fit.

Happened anyway. That's not a good would-you-rather. Jeez. I never got to give a recommendation that I liked. Honestly, that's the truth. Do you feel that way? Maybe for antelope.

No, it was a fight for everything. All right. No, that doesn't work. Okay. I don't have a good would-you-rather. So, Pollock. Here we go. Hey, Mike, and he came alive. Pull off the gloves. This is keeping a lot of lines of hunting. Okay. The biggest bull you've ever seen in your life or the biggest buck you've ever seen in your life. Which one would you rather have on your wall? He probably has one on his wall right now. Is that elk the biggest one you think you've ever seen with your own two eyeballs? I've been scouting some good bulls in the last few years. Oh, she has. Yeah, never mind. Last year. So, say it one more time. So, the biggest bull you have ever seen or the biggest buck you've ever seen? He's an elk guy. So, your biggest buck is your dad's deer? I know the biggest deer I've ever seen. Oh, your dad's deer? Did you see your dad's deer?

It sits about three feet from me in my office. But it's through the window.

It's in Jason's office, but it's like three feet from me.

Oh, geez. He's thinking on this one hard. I've heard a few sighs. I mean, just the sheer amount of bone. There's something about picking those big bulls up. Yeah, the sheer amount of bone density. They're going away. When you grab a bull. I don't know. Yeah, but you like the bone. They do suck to pack out. No, they do. Hey, that doesn't matter. That's over. You get minions to call on the mountain. Friends. Minions, a.k.a. friends. You get that. Horses, mules, or people that are treated just as mules. You just get them there. Probably the bull. I don't know. The bull. Really? When you grab a brow tine that's that big. How wide's your dad's deer? 42. Almost 42, yeah. Really? 42-incher. Do you want another bull? You've already got one. Did we score it at 250? Did you score that one? Yeah, you did. It was 250. Gross? I don't remember. It was. Right on 250. It broke 250 gross, wasn't it?

I think it was right on. It's mounted, Jason. Jeez. Bring it back in. You know how it is. You like moving your mounts around. I can't even get you to take one to the expo. Bring it back in. But if you said, what's your biggest bull? What do you think the biggest bull is you've seen?

Well, 420s. Okay. I'm not asking you to bring a 420 bull in, but I'm asking you to bring your dad's buck in.

Jeez. I'm disappointed. You've got to remember, his bull is... 42-incher? I haven't even... What do you mean? Okay, I've seen a 40-plus-inch deer. But imagine ever taking one that was built good. We're not talking a San Juan freak. We're talking a built... That was 250 built. 42. Jeez. Jeez. That's a rarity. It's hard because I was there when he killed it. So it was... I mean, not like I shot it personally, but I mean, it was... You were how old? 14. I mean, for crap sakes. You don't even remember that. Oh, yeah, I do. You never forget that. Like it was yesterday? Oh, yeah. When my brother and I pulled that... Because we beat him to it. We pulled it down to Manzanita, and it was like... But back then, you've... I think... I contend you feel like it was a possibility in your life you would kill him that big. Because back then, it... There were bucks killed. I didn't know.

Not like that on a regular basis. No. But they were not like today. Today, it is not possible. It felt like... 42 inch by 250. Name the last one you know that was killed. On a general unit? Let alone a strip. But it did come from the best general unit in the state with the highest... Wyatt, can you think of a 40 inch plus, 250 plus killed on the strip?

40s. Trying to think. What were the last 40s? What lucky? What was lucky? Lucky was 40. Cheater to cheater. He was 40s. All right. Rare. Yeah. Rare. Okay, Pollock. Just for that answer, you're up. Okay. Sorry I let you down.

Jeez. If you do have... You know... If you identify as a rifle hunter. Yeah. If you identify as a rifle hunter, which I often do, let us know. We've got several options for you. One of those is a Red Rock rifle. We've got one of those in here. Best of the best. Yeah. They're amazing rifles. We've got a .300 ROM here, don't we? Yes, we do. Yeah. I don't know. Five boxes of ammo, custom case, custom hand load, you name it. List off. Do you remember... I know it's just off the cuff, but it's got a stack of options on it, which makes this rifle. It's unbelievable. It's got the rings. It's ready to go. All you need to do is slap a scope on it. Jeez, man. You have the ammo. Huh? Got the flush cups. Yeah. This one does. Yeah. And it's a .300 ROM. All you need is a scope. Maybe we need to go run a bolt when we're done with this. Devin's already done. It's wore it out.

Paul, did you see that look on his face? Devin, how does a bolt sound when it's cherry? Zing.

It's got a zing. We've been over this. It has a zing to it. It has a zing. They're all a little different. Yeah, they are. Yeah, give us a call. We have that one in stock, or we can help you get another one ordered. Go check them out at redrockprecision.com, or give us a call. We can help you out with them. They are awesome rifles when you put them in your hand. And I've seen some of them shoot, and they shoot phenomenal. So, awesome. What else we got? Bronson, can you think of anything else? We've got on the docket we need to cover before we call it a day. I think we've been pretty good. I think we've covered a lot. How about Zeiss? We've got a bunch of Zeiss products in. Want to talk about that real quick? Sure, yeah. That's another one of our optics brands that we've been dealers with from the start here at Epic Outdoors.

Obviously, they make everything, but binoculars, rifle scopes, probably what we sell the most, I have no question, from them. Versus, you know, some of their spotting scopes. They're awesome, too, Harpy and whatnot. But, yeah, we've got a lot of those in stock. Binos, rifle scopes. You know, if you need a new gun, you draw a new tag, you need a new gun, give us a call. We've got some of those, but we've also got rifle scopes. So, if you just feel like what you've been putting up with or using for years and years is maybe time for an upgrade, keep us in mind. Zeiss makes great products. A lot of us have those. A lot of our guns. Probably coming up here soon, it's going to be a good option to get one of those because we may be doing a little giveaway here. Talked to Hunter the other day and going to have maybe a little Zeiss giveaway coming up. No kidding.

And it's infancy to say just yet, but if you're in the market for some size or some epic stuff, for sure you're going to want to get in on it. The next podcaster, too, will probably mention that. Probably throw it on socials as well. So, stay tuned. I like it. Let's talk about Kinetrek real quick. Josh, you've got a pair of Kinetreks on. I hate to put you on the spot again. But keep talking. A new model. Yeah. It's the Bridger High, I think it's called. Seven Incher. I've been pleased with them. I put them on yesterday. You're wearing them to work. Just kind of. Business meetings. Breaking them in. Yeah, yeah. Church. Letting people know on the hunt. Board meetings. Hey, wear those to church Sunday. See if you get any comments. They're nice enough, too. Yeah, that's a good church boot. Up on the mountain up there, that's probably common attire. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Well, up there they wear shorts up on the mountain. Yeah, that's true. That's the nice thing about being up at the cabin. They wear flip-flops and a freaking tank top. Yeah, you're good to go. I've been there. No, they've been awesome boots. I've actually never owned a pair before, so I do now, I guess. And we're going to try them out. I've been breaking them in a little bit here at the office. Do they feel good? Oh, yeah. They feel like they're a summer boot. They're kind of a summer boot, but they're built well. Yeah. I think they're going to be just fine for anything. Obviously, later season, you probably want some insulation. Looks like you've got some dog crap on it. Yeah, I was going to say, you've got a problem on that left heel. Look at that. Jeez. That's disgusting. Sorry about that. That's a tootsie roll. Come on. Who knows what it is? No. Probably is at Devin's house.

It's cat crap. Oh, come on. Mixed with litter? Cat litter? Yeah. That's disgusting. I hate the smell of cat litter. That cat litter box? I hate the smell of those things. Okay. That's just anything cat related. Anyway. I don't even have my mountain lion in my house. I don't like them that much. Go to... No, I've got one in my house. Go to www.kennatrek.com, K-E-N-E-T-R-E-K.com, 1-800-232-6064. Awesome. Well, it's definitely... We definitely... We've gone about a half over what we should be doing. I do... I would like to give something away. Can you... I'd like to give something away.

We do have a Vortex One Power Scope.

The last... You're going to announce the last one? Give away the last one? Give away the last one? Okay. How? What? What do you think? Pollock, can we do anything on... Tag us on socials? Do you want to, you know, throw up... Throw up a muzzle at her buck? Throw up a muzzle at her buck and tag us on Epic and we'll do a random draw or something like that? Just... Yeah, we could. Just not a three-point. Yeah. Not a three-point. Okay. Okay. Let's address that. Let's address that for a minute. Okay? And we like the post, but I mean, we got... Bronson. What? Three-point lives matter. But, Wyatt, how did we define that context? This is what we want to see. We want to see a buck killed from 2013 to 2019. With a muzzleloader? With a muzzleloader. And we'll give them... In any state, you're not confining that to Utah, right? That's kind of what we're talking about.

We're celebrating muzzleloader hunters everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Because you need a... You're going to need a muzzleloader scope. So, whatever. We just want to see... Prior to 2017? The best buck you killed. 2013 to 2019. Has to be in that five-year period. Why that period? Yeah. Why that period? Why are you restricting it? Because I want people to see what deer hunting used to be like. Oh. And what it could be. I like it. What do you... What kind of bucks could live on the land if we let a few bucks live? Does it have to be a Utah buck? What are we putting the parameters here? That's kind of where your mind was going. No. No. Muzzleloader buck, 2013 to 2019. But it has to be a muzzleloader buck. And why do you think it was better than... What made bucks better than... There was just deer. There was more deer. Yeah. More deer on the... More deer. Yeah. So, not the ratios.

The ratios were ratios of ratios. They're the same. It's the number. Yeah. It's the 500 to 1,000 principle. Oh, yeah. Because we had... In relation. When you have 20 bucks per hundred does and you only have 500 does, or when you have 20 bucks per hundred does and you have... To 3,000. 5,000 does. Yeah. There's significantly... That's a lot more bucks. More deer. And so, we've got better deer hunting coming if we don't kill them as forkies. Yeah. We've got better deer hunting coming because we haven't had wet weather and there's... So, more bucks are growing at the moment. More bucks are making it through. Yeah. So, more bucks are making it through. In Nevada, too. So, when you had all these little yearling bucks getting killed, you still had a significant amount of them making it through. So, it wasn't big a deal. And you think we should let small bucks live. Yeah. Okay.

So, let's define this one more time. So, any muzzleloader harvested buck between 2013 and 19? Yeah. Well, you... We're going to eliminate some guys. Let's just go all muzzy bucks. Really? I think just anyone that killed a buck with a muzzleloader remaining. Post it up. Post it up. And if we do that, I think we should up the ante. You get to choose the Vortex or the Little Pold Red Dot. I know there's a difference in price, but somebody would like the crosshair. Okay. And somebody is going to want the red dot. And they get to choose, right? And we'll do a random draw. And we've got to do it all next week until next Friday. How do they enter? Has to tag us? Yep. They're going to use... Epic muzzle... Epic muz bucks? Epic musket buck. Epic musket buck. You've got to spell musket right. Well, if you can't, then you don't get in. Okay.

We're only going to query that one hashtag and whatever pulls up, right? Epic musket buck. I'm pretty sure. Let me make sure it doesn't exist first. I think we've got to make sure... I think the word epic was probably going to take care of it. We better make sure it's available. What do you mean? Does it matter? It's just a hashtag. It's an aggressive hashtag. Well, even if it matters, or if it's already there, it doesn't matter, right? You could still... We'll see it. Epic musket buck. Tags. None. None found. Okay, perfect. E-P-I-C-M-U-S-K-E-T-B-U-C-K. Is there one T or two? I want to see. I think there's one, but... I've got one in this one. What did you... That's good enough. Musket with one T? E-P-I-C-M-U-S-K-E-T-B-U-C-K. I like it. Okay. Here we go. Say it one more time. Hashtag. Hashtag E-P-I-C-M-U-S-K-E-T-B-U-C-K. Epic musket buck. That page is clean. There's no page.

And we're not picking the best. We're just going to draw from that. We just want to see them. And you'll see the three points, too? Three points are okay. Whatever you want. If you want to post... Three point, fine. It's fine. Three point, fine. Don't want a forky find? Yeah. Jason, it's a buck. If it's a buck, it's got to be five inches. I can guarantee you. I can guarantee you. The forky's not a buck. Jason. We're not going to see many forky. We want the forky's to live. That was part of this. Well, you're going to exclude them? No. Awareness. You said buck, not two-year-old or bigger buck. All right, fine. Post them. Post your forky. Post it. Epic musket buck. From any area. And it has to be on your... Not a story. On your feed. Yeah. Can't disappear. If it disappears, we lose them. It's gone. Good point. So you need to go post on your feed that stays an actual post.

And do a throwback. Whatever. Just do it under the guise of throwback. Maybe we'll do that. Can we all do that? Does everybody got a muzzleloader? Jason, you've got some. No, we're not eligible. What do you mean? You work here. No, I'm not saying. We might join in the posting fund. How about we will... I'm going to make a post. Oh, the posting fund. Yes. I'm going to make a post, and we'll all produce a buck. Yeah. How about that? Jeez. Does everybody kill the muzzleloader buck in this room? Not in that time frame. No. Okay. We eliminated that, didn't we? We eliminated the time frame. Okay. We eliminated the time frame. All right. Let's see them. We're going to just have fun at this. Yep. Fine. We'll post, but it's just part of our job. We're not getting into the drama. No. It'll be an announcement, so check our Instagram. Have you killed... You've killed one? You've killed...

Everybody's killed him. I'm not going to... I haven't. Whoa. Yeah. Wyatt, once again, he's left out. Yeah, you did, dude. Oh, yes, I did. You did. Yes, I did. Where? Do you got a picture? I'm not going to say it, but you killed one. I did kill one. I like it. Legally? What do you mean? It was an awesome buck, actually. I overthought him. I did kill one. I was thinking it was a rifle, but it wasn't. Six by seven. Legit pick. Seven by eight. You got a pick, Wyatt? Is this a pick I haven't seen? You see picks. Hook cheater. What happened to it? You're going to post it. Split hook cheater. Then you're going to post it. I can see there's a story here. There's a lot of talking and looking and... I wasn't even there. It's just a... Yeah, that buck. We're in college. Oh, no. Their college story's never in. What's the statute of limitations? Oh, boy. I see. Jeez. Okay. So, yeah, this...

You think you've already have posted it, is what you're saying. Well, it's on my social media feed here. Well, then you posted it, right? Is it one that... Did you overjudge it or underjudge it? Did you misjudge it? We killed it.

There's a lot of... Okay. Moving around, Lombie. No era. No year. No. Post up a muzzleloader deer, and we have muzzleloader scopes. So, we're giving away a muzzleloader scope. We're going to play. We'll post this week. When's the deadline? When do you want them to enter by? I think we should do it sooner than later. Let's do it. Well, the thing is... This may not... I don't know when this will go out. Tonight. This podcast. Who's doing it, Jason? I don't know. Oh. Yeah. Remember. Yeah, no. We need Gen Z here. Monday? Sunday, Monday? Logie Bear. Well, we're going to do what? Next Friday? Let's call it next week. We've got to put it in. Next Friday. Huh? Right. What is that? Thursday night. Is that the 10th? Thursday night, midnight is the deadline. Friday, we'll pick the winner. Sound good? We'll do a podcast that day, maybe. Oh. Friday the 10th. So, is that the 9th? So, the 9th.

You have to have it in by the 9th. Thursday the 9th. Hashtag epic musket buck. We should do it on the day of the deadline. Nevada deadline. Well, I was going to say that until we found out he's going to be... It is. He's not going to be here to make this live and hot. So, anyway. All right. Everybody have a good... Well, have a good week. Get your Nevada in. Cross your fingers. Enjoy the warm weather. If you hunt in multiple states or want to expand your hunting portfolio, the Epic Outdoor license and application service is for you. We have dedicated hunt consultants and a team of application specialists to help you develop and achieve your short, medium, and long-term hunting goals. We do the work. You draw the tags. Epic Outdoors license app. 435-263-0777. Handcrafted, quality precision rifles from start to finish is Red Rock Precision Rifles.

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