EP 313: The Epic Musket Buck Stories

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire Epic Outdoors crew, at least the guy side. The girls are still working. Right? They always work. We got good ones. The ones that are here today. Well, it is a Friday. It is Friday. Can't blame them for a Friday. We should call them. Do we need to start over? No. No. No. They're awesome. They have flexible schedules, some of them. We're grateful. Anyway. All right. So let's see. Today's Friday. It is what? May 10th. We're talking Mother's Day. Y'all, don't forget Mother's Day. It's too late if you're going to order anything. Potential Mother's Day. Possible Mother's Day. We got Mother's Day gifts. Yeah. We did? Yeah. Thanks for a while. You could have jumped online with us when the rest of us did. What did you guys? Oh. You were counting down. That's right. Did you get yours already, Bronson? Those were, that was a concern.

I think the whole office was in on where that tracking number was tracking. It took a little longer than others, but they showed up. Making sure it got there. They were well received. So Wyatt, why don't you start us off on this Mother's Day gift? It's going to help some people out there. We're prior to Mother's Day. We can't be divulging too much. Yeah. No. This won't go live until Monday or Tuesday. The girls don't listen. We don't know that. We know that. I've been called out for stuff before by a wife that doesn't listen to this. It's because she was born that night at the hospital. But this is not going live until Monday or Tuesday. You have our word. So Mother's Day will have happened. Is it? Is it not going live? That's a guarantee. That's a guarantee. Monday or Tuesday. Okay. It's free. Here we go. Let's talk about moms. How good did you treat them? My wife? And mother-in-law.

Well, Wyatt, where did you come up with the Mother's Day gift that you always do? My wife told me that's what she wanted. So like any good husband, that's what I ordered. A listener. A listener. Three years ago. And so then you passed the good word along to us. I ended up, I jumped on board. And it's been a winner for the guys here in the office. Oh, it's a winner. So why don't you go ahead and talk to them? They're just pajamas. Pajamas. We don't need to give anybody a plug, Jason. You're going to give them a free plug for this? This is like Nevada tax. No, I'm actually trying to save for sure. We're not. We're not giving anybody a free plug that's a women's lingerie or pajama company. No, it's not lingerie. It's pajamas. And we're trying to save marriages. Well, it's too late. I mean, it's too late this year. But this happens a couple times a year. Right, Wyatt?

Call Wyatt next year, right before Christmas or Mother's Day. Wyatt? Might as well just throw it out there. They're called Lates. Okay, Lates. Lates by Kate. Lates by Kate. Okay. My wife loves them. Kind of a garage-type business, right? Yeah, it does a couple drops a year. One for Mother's Day, one for Christmas. Well, you guys, we're waiting for it like it's like an OTC Idaho tag or something. It gets you through. It gets you through. I mean, I ask Wyatt when the Colorado list comes out the other day. Brons had started at 8 a.m. in the waiting room trying to keep refreshing. No, I didn't. Created a profile. This is my first year. Created a profile. No, I didn't. Saved a card. Easy checkout for next year. Did you save the card? You ain't got your card on file. It's going to be a hit. He's going to win Mother's Day, right, Paul? He will. Oh, he will. Oh, they're next level.

I gave them to her like Tuesday or Wednesday. You already gave them? Yeah. Oh, yeah. What? What about Mother's Day? See, Adam's like me. She's not going to be here for Mother's Day. So, hey, if you want to take these on your trip, take them. Oh, that's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So, let's see. Josh, did you play? Yeah, of course. And did you give yours away already? That stopped Mother's Day, yeah. That's a good point. Cash? I did one last Christmas. Did you? Late by Kate? Oh, yeah. Do they got your card on file, too? No. Not yet. Not until Christmas. She's not a mother yet. Wyatt's got them on speed dial. Was it a hit, though? Oh, it was a hit. She loves them. All the time she's wearing them. Father Wyatt saving marriages by the dozens. Father Wyatt. No. John, you're out? There's too much fabric on those things. John. Whoa.

Okay, we need to tell Monday because we can tell this is going to need to edit. You can get the short sleeve and the shorts. We're going to edit it out anyway. No, it's fine, but it's a pajama. Yeah, John, they have shorts and short sleeve shirtboards. I've never bought any. Wow. Do you want a good idea? Go to Late by Kate. It's too late. How many times are we going to say that for free? Well, I don't know. We've already said it eight times. We're saving marriages. No, we're not. Yeah, we are. And it's good practice. It's a significant shareholder. You don't have to get paid every time. Add the carts. Yeah, it's good practice. Devin, did you do it? No, me and John, I guess. Yeah, we're the holdouts. You and John, what, like less material? We're the only customers here. Oh, oh. Like less material. I didn't know what you were saying. Okay. Well, I didn't do it either. Whoa. There you go.

Yeah, it's a little weird to give your mom a jam.

It's slightly odd. Some little rent gifts on Mother's Day are kind of weird, too. I thought that was off the table. Hey, Mom, can you give me your sizes? Mom, it's Mother's Day, but... Hey, Dad, what's Mom's sizes? Yeah. All right, so we got Mother's Day taken care of, right? That other way. Everybody's happy? Yeah, we're good. Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers and other figures out there. All right, so what about the weather? Are we in a monsoon season? Come on. You guys... I had two drops at my window yesterday. Dude, the mountains get... I would say yes, but I wouldn't be believed. So, no, we're not. You guys can sit down here in the office... Paul, when did you see the first green play of grass? He's still gun shy of the snow mold of 2023. Apparently it wasn't inches of rain hitting my windshield over the mountain last night. I don't know what that was.

It looks like it's raining out there now over the top of the mountain. We'll take it in May. Can't go to a little sunroom, green room, and call it the first green up. I saw what I saw. I saw what I saw. I saw what it's on. I can't unsee it. Yeah. All right, Bronson. Where are we headed with this? So, first off, we've had a little contest, right? The muzzleloader buck. Well, yes. Post your epic musket buck. Yeah. We had a bunch of entries in that. We're going to... We want to draw it live with a hot mic? I think we should draw it live right here. Like, Logan always, like, him and John go back in the back room and come out with the winner. And I know they're doing it legit, but we like to do some of that stuff, too. Well, and why don't you lay the parameters of what we did here? This was just hatched in the last podcast. What are you shaking your head for, John? You do, too.

You come out and tell us who the winner is. We want to see the winner. That's not true. It's not true. Did you not build a giant spinny wheel we can spin manually? No. I told you guys. It wasn't going to be sexy. It'd just get the job done. And it's... Okay. It's a bunch of aggressive programming. Coding. That's what programming looks like. It's 109 lines long of programming. Yeah. You know they make random number generators. And you could have done that. Then it takes forever to get the name from Instagram and put it into the website and let it save. And so this is just way faster. So how do you do this? How much time you got? Yeah. Artificial intelligence. He's trying to prove he's a programmer. It's not all that hard. Show me how you did this. All right. Well, just... We want to... This is for all the listeners to know the integrity of our little giveaways. This is airtight.

So it starts off... You give it a list of names. So we got all the Instagram usernames that entered into our competition. You're kidding me. 70. Yep. Something. And that's a separate file. And then you go in here. And that reads the names. Assigns each one of them a random number. Did you type in all those programs? Uh-huh. Little requests? Yeah. You did? These are all functions. Seems like if you typed them in there from number 1 to 70, then you could just hit a random number generator from 1 to 70, then you could just hit a number. You could. But this... But out of this, took 14 days.

Oh, yeah. I'm just checking. I wondered what I was missing. That's what happens when somebody comes and accuses me of giving somebody the golden number. Okay. So keep going. Hey, Logan, I like it. It assigns it and randomizes it and picks the number. And then it's going to output it in this folder. It's blank right now. And it's going to record the date and time and the person that wants. This is no joke. Bronson, we've got a new programmer. I told you. Probably very similar to the Nevada or Utah draw process. Or it might be similar to the Arizona process. Okay, yeah. Which one would you prefer? I want it tight. Keep working on it. Keep perfecting it. Keep perfecting it. We'll get a wheel in there. That's the next update. Does that make you feel better? Montana? Not always, no. Okay. How about Idaho? Yeah. And they had a dab reach. You like that?

Well, recently things have been going good. Okay. All right. So let's see. So what are we going to do? King John, what are we going to do? What are we going to do now, John? Do we hit go? John's just happy with a white monster right now. Okay. So they're all in their hair sipping. Let's lay, quickly, let's lay the parameters of what we're doing. Somebody maybe didn't hear the last one. So this was just, we had a. That's right. In the spirit of, I guess, what, Utah going to one power scope. I don't even know why. I don't even know why. Somehow it came out to be a muzzler. But, oh, the one power scope. Yeah. We were selling those. A little bit of change. A little bit of change. A little pole. Since we still have some of those available. Crossfires are gone. Probably until August. But anyway. We listed up their hashtag. What? Hashtag epic muzzle. Musket buck. Musket buck. Musket buck.

And just one thing that we found. There's a few people in the office that could see different people tagging. Because they were obviously following you. But if you have a private profile and not seen by everybody. And you tag epic. But we're not following you. We're not going to see that. So just kind of a heads up. Yeah, it was interesting. When we do these giveaways. That page is loaded. But you can only see on that page. The hashtag. A public. Or somebody you follow. So a public one. Yeah. If you're private. And you're not. And epic can't see you. Then we're not going to be able to see it. Right. I love seeing the bucks though. Yo, it was awesome. They were looking slow. Yeah, it was fun. We might do it again on some months. Maybe we want to go musket. Yeah. It was awesome. It was cool. There were some big bucks too. Big bucks. Big legit bucks. Throwback bucks.

Speaking of, we're going to talk a little bit about that. I want to know the story that Buck Wyatt posted. That's just too good of a throwback. It is pretty good. That was like 20 years ago. Well, I didn't even recognize him. Yeah. I was like, geez. You could have told me that was anybody. And I wouldn't believe it. Not much of a story though. Okay. Well, we're going to get.

Ramen noodles and freaking Mountain Dew. It was in college and probably should have been in class when that buck went down. Okay. Sounds about like college. All right. All right. So we're looking at a bunch of gibberish.

You ready? Yeah. This is going to be interesting. Just click. Did you steal this though? You could probably. Logan, you could go on the web. Did AI do this? Did AI do this? No. This is all me. Okay. I learned this in class. This is something I actually learned in school. AI does a lot of things, you know. Yeah. I don't know if you and John know that, but AI does a lot. It's not very. It's okay at this. Okay. All right. Here we go. All right. You're going to run it? It's done. The winner. What's the? Come on. T-check-its. Who? T-check-its. Just like that? Come on. Who is that? So that was date, time. Look it up. Look it up. Who is that? Should we do a runner-up? Yeah. Well, make sure it really exists. And they really did put that hashtag out there. Remember, this has to be a post. It can't be a story because they disappear as well. We already went through those rules.

Taylor Check-its posted a throwback muzzleloader buck from 2002. Got a picture of him and it looks like his dad. Yeah. I have not. Okay. Awesome buck. Yeah. Oh. Nice throwback 22 years ago. Throwback. First buck. All right. I like it. 22 years. So we'll give you a call. Hashtag winner. Chance of a loophole. Red dot or a crossfire vortex. Crossfire two. One power. You pick, right? Yeah, we'll pick. I mean, I... Give you a call. Thanks for playing. Anyway. We'll do it again. Maybe we'll pick another species, Jason. What about antelope? What would you do for an antelope giveaway? Okay. So you know how you go to the page once in a while and you're kind of excited to see what's being posted? Which page? What are we talking about? Instagram. The Instagram page. The Epic Musket Buck Challenge page, right? Would you even check the antelope? They're big. You would, baby? No. I mean... No.

Nobody gives two crabs. Listen, you are so... You so contradict your own verbiage. No, I don't. From last podcast, you talk about, yeah, I'm half excited about it. Well... And then now you're like, who would even care about looking at that? Nobody would.

Except for the Grimmets. And they live for them, and that's fine. But I mean, you can't be... You can't go... Tell me I'm wrong. You can't be... Pollock, are you checking that page once in a while? Yeah, probably. Epic Musket Antelope Challenge? I didn't say musket. You gotta be able to kill them with anything. Okay. All right. They'd be all right. But we are... We're like salivating over some of these bucks. Yeah. I mean, they're legit giants. We'll probably do something with elk then, since antelope might not... We don't need a runner-up, right? No. If this guy doesn't want a scope, we just keep it. Yeah. Speaking of which, we kept some prizes. We haven't even had anybody turn in those Arizona Special Troll Tags. We already talked about that last podcast. We moved. I called it last podcast. We called it. I mean, we got the accolades for giving something away or being willing.

And didn't cash. And then we didn't have to cash out. Cash. But let's reiterate that that sweepstakes is over. It's over. It's gone. Unless you drew that Kaibab tag, I want to talk to you. I work out a deal. All right. So, let's see. Bronson, does that bring us to an epic story? You said you wanted to hear from Wyatt. We can start with him. I just... Maybe there's no story. My buck didn't have a whole lot of story to it either, but I can talk about it. Your buck started with a $500 bat. Oh. That's right. Somebody had to pay you some money. You. Yeah. It was unfortunate. Yeah. Derrick. Wow. How was that? Oh, yeah. I put the money towards you. I think the archery and muzzleloader deer hunts in Colorado are undervalued. I might do it this year. And Jason's like, oh, bull crap. I'll pay you $500 if you did that. And sure enough, he did it.

And it's like, well, how did it feel giving up a second or third? It was awesome. Felt fine? Maybe. Would you do it again? Yeah. No, you wouldn't. Yeah. But not this year. This year? Some Septembers are better than others. This one's not one of those. That was a thick forest, too, as I remember your Elmer Fudnett through a rainstorm. I thought it was a cool story. I was. Well, I can talk about it in a minute. But I really wanted to hear Wyatt's. Just because it was like, I don't know. How many years ago was that? You just like their college stories. Well, it's just. They're interesting, for sure. I mean, these guys witnessed it. Both. I mean, he's got witnesses. I like their college stories. But I like anything that looks old. 20, 2012, maybe? You're thinking like 12 years ago, then, huh? So you got right in Archibald? Yeah, probably.

We lived together at college, Archibald High, during the time. This was in Cedar City. This was you. It was in Cedar City, yeah. How many years did you guys live together? Six or seven? Plenty.

Well, how many years were you in college? Six or seven? Pretty sure you had double digits. Eight. Right? It was eight, I think, right? Roughly. Eight years, yeah. Roughly. It was a great time. I honestly lost track. I couldn't even tell you. We can call you Dr. Archibald. It was a good time. I went through a couple of counselors. A couple of those. Yeah, mine retired. And we had a bunch of side deals made so I could graduate. And then, that was a problem. A couple of university. A couple of years. Yeah, mine expired. Yeah. Anyways, Wyatt. So, you got a hot tip or what? Yeah, actually, I'd been guiding a Ponce got muzzleloader hunter, and we filled tags out over there, so I'd come home that night and had been just BS with Bronson, and Bronson Ogden was another one of our roommates, and he had mentioned seeing a buck with cheaters. Okay. Told me where it was. It was just north of town.

Not very far north of town, a cedar. There you go. Ten minutes. Now, was this back? I'm trying to remember. Was this back when you just needed a southern region tag, or did you have a penguin? Yes, it was just a southern region tag. Okay. You could hunt the whole region. Last year's of the... Yeah. Yeah, okay. Any region tags, I guess. Yeah. So, he told me about this buck, told me, he'll come out there, try to find it, and I did end up turning it up that night, just right at dark, but I never got a great look at it. So, the next morning, or I guess I went to class the next morning, and later in the afternoon, I headed out there to see if I could find it bedded or whatever, and just started working the country around. Found the buck, glassed him up, and he was close enough to town, I text Bronson. Bronson was in class. I text him. I said, hey, you know, I've got the buck bedded.

This is before we're going to get some stuff. When he stands up, I'm going to shoot him. So, anyways, Bronson made it there by the time I shot the buck, like 15 minutes later. Like, he was already coming around, getting off the freeway in his truck kind of deal. Wow. Jeez. We're starting to put the piece of the puzzle together where it was. Yeah. Seven and a half minutes from the north interchanges. This was also before Onyx, and before you could see municipal boundaries. That's right. It was in a newer burned area north of town, so if you're driving north, look out the window. All right. He did not leave the house to intend to break the law.

There was no intent. No. He did. That's why, that's the reason I asked why, how long ago this was, because I think Statue of Limitation covers everything, right? No, it was 100% legit. Watched it stand up out of its bed. It actually kind of boogered up out of its bed a little bit. One power scope. One power day. Was it a Vortex crossfire? Or was it a Louisville red dot? The one your dad used on the Dutton? I have an old Louisville red dot. It probably was that old Vortex one power. It was that Vortex crossfire. Your dad had an L tag a year or two later? Two years later, yeah. Yeah. I, for some reason, thought you shot him, like, on the run. Yeah. I just was saying, he boogered up out of his bed, and he got up and started moving up and away from me, because I was trying to text Bronson and give him a play-by-play. And right then, yeah. Yeah, I had to shoot him. Awesome. Well, good.

That was a good throwback. What was it? I can't remember. It has a little cheaters on it, didn't it? A couple little cheaters. Yeah, it's got cheaters and split beams. Oh, geez. It's got, like, everything that a big deer would have. In line, cheaters, split beams, basal. It's got a ridge, a ridge of mass coming up the beam out on the end. Everything you can imagine a big deer would have, just not a big deer. Bring that into the office.

That's the first fish I pick ever. Cool.

Cropped the whole face and body off. Yeah, that's a reason, because he was shot in the neck. Oh. Had a little skinny neck, and the muzzle order did it. Actually, pretty good genetics. That's a good deer in the making right there. Yeah, guv tag buck, future years right there. Oh, you probably upset some people. Yeah.

Boss wouldn't like that. Sure wished he could have lived a little longer, huh, Paul? Yeah. Me too. I know. Paul is like that. Digging everywhere. How do you feel about that? Probably back when Pollock was the biologist over that unit. Pollock was probably high on a mountaintop watching.

I'm there, but you won't see me.

Carter, what about yours? Why am I? Well, it was a cool buck. You had a lot of history with that buck. Yeah, I did. I mean, you had. It was. I actually knew that deer for a couple years. Yeah, it was kind of just a, I don't know. He, I don't know. I mean. Was he a loner? Was he a complete loner? Kind of. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. That's familiar. But I mean, if you're a stag and you're a nutless wonder. What did he end up? You don't have friends. I mean, how did he taste when you ate him? Terrible. What? Those things don't taste good. Come on. No. Sometimes they. I just didn't want to tell you guys. Okay. Because the last stag we helped a guy kill was brutal. It was not good. I mean, that thing was terrible. Well, that was in the worst drought maybe in 20 years. You'd have to add 1,400 pounds of beef tallow to get that thing to do anything. It was brutal. What about this buck? Terrible.

No, I'm not. I'm moving on from the meat to the rest of the story. Look at all those droppers. Look at the basal points. They're sick. How many droppers is that? I don't know. A lot. 20. I don't know. Well, with all the basal stuff and around the backside is disgusting. So, yeah. Tell us about it. Everybody needs a stag in their life, but you only need one. I don't think I would ever shoot another one. I don't got mine yet. Who else has one? I scored him at like 249 with all the. I mean, so many points. So many points. Devin's killed one. Who else? I haven't shot one yet. What? We had a chance. Aaron and I in Colorado one year. He didn't shoot this deer, but whatever. You kind of need one, but you only need one. So, yeah. We went to inject him and the velvet's so tight and everything. You hardly took any formaldehyde or anything like that. But anyway, pretty cool. Pretty cool.

I mean, that one, Chris was with me, actually. Got it on video. It was awesome. Filmed it. It was a muzzleloader deer. And he ended up, we worked our freaking guts out. I want to say close to two weeks. I can't remember the exact days put in on him. And, you know, down there, it's, we're talking 100 plus degree weather, day after day, grind. You know, probably got some skin cancer that I'm dealing with because of that. But anyway, just, you know. And then finally, we kept working around on this ridge. And we just kept working away. And we would just consistent, persistent, glass, glass, glass, glass, glass. And one day, we. Were you looking for him specifically? For him specifically. Because we'd seen him in the summer one time. Yeah. And then just was grinding on him. And there's a couple of lions in there, come to find out, you know, anyway.

But I never, that never crossed my mind, but it should have. Because we couldn't find him for like 10 days. And then we finally hit a new knob and glassed on the backside. And he was living on the backside, kind of the shady side of north side. Even in the desert, he was on the north side. And I was dumb enough. I was dumb back then. I mean, there was big bucks to be had. And you killed a few of them. But I wasn't like smart like we are today. Like we're, you know, we're older guys now. And you would think. But I didn't think back then. I was always glassing the south sides. You know what I mean? Where you can see it's visible. Yeah. But I mean, he was hiding from the sun. I mean, deer, the sun melts them. You know what I mean? There's more feed there, too. Yeah. There's more feed. There's more shade. There's more everything.

And then you start to realize, man, I've been glassing this wrong the whole time. But anyway, I was a kid. It was fun. Ended up seeing him. We made a stalk and got in tight. And then, you know, smashed him. I mean, that was nothing. Back then, that's a chip shot. Really? I think, yeah. Open sight. It was nothing. And then, you know, fast forward to 2019 on my last muzzleloader buck. That felt like two miles. Same distance. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was just one of those kind of bucks. You were like, it did. It felt, it might as well have been two miles. I mean, it was just, I felt like I was going to miss. And I'm like, and I didn't miss. Freaking hammered him four times. You know what I mean? So, muzzlers don't, they don't shock and off. You know what I mean? They slap hide is all they do. Yeah. They just kind of like have this slow rock going through them.

And they're like, geez, that was a big rock, you know. Take another one. You know, they just never, they never just die. But anyway, that was awesome. That was just an awesome hunt. And then it all came together. And I think that's one of those kind of hunts that really instills in, you know, hunting one specific animal, finding him in the summer, and then spending two weeks on him. You know, I feel like, you know, now you'd be giving up a lot. Two weeks is a lot of your life. Right. Nowadays, right? I mean, Devin's been doing it in Nevada, and it works if you can really dedicate that time. Sometimes I have a problem getting too many tags, you know, and overlapping them and being stressed and trying to get to the next hunt. But anyway, that was back in the day when, you know. You didn't have quite as many.

Drew the tag, and you just, yeah, you end up just putting in all your eggs in that basket because you don't have a ton of tags, and you end up doing better, actually. But spent a lot of time on him, and ended up coming together and smashed him. And I was kind of, I mean, he's awesome, right? He's, I don't know, low 30s, 31 or 2-inch stag. Probably one of the best built ones frame-wise that I have, that I've seen out in Nevada. But, I mean, he's garbage, you know. I mean, I don't even, I have a hard time even looking at him. Oh, my. I mean, I've got him mounted and everything, but, I mean, there's so many points around the backside, and it's just cool, but, you know. Okay. Awesome. How many, do you remember how many points he's got? He's like 20-something by 20-something. Wow. One-inch points, but there's so many of them. That picture should show him.

There's like 10 around the backside on each side, you know. Like, anyway, Wyatt probably would make him unscorable just to be a hater.

Wyatt's kind of a hater that way. Brow beat the crap out of him. BNC doesn't accept stags, so. I know. Boy, there's a question. What would it take for you, Wyatt, to shoot a stag? What would a stag have to be and look like? I'd shoot a stag like that in a heartbeat. No question. Everyone needs one. Everyone needs one. Everyone needs one. All right. Just thought with that pronouncement. But there's some of them you need lots of. That is not. But some people like the freaks, you know. But out in the desert, I don't know what causes that. Josh, Adam, you guys. I mean, it just feels like the desert has more stags than other places. And obviously, we've talked about the feeding. And sometimes that causes it because it, you know, brings animals together. And they're maybe too tight a quarters with too many of them. But that's not what you get out in Nevada.

It's a desert area, and you find a few. Well, they're learning through some of that research, like on the Poncagant, too, that some of those long Indian summers is when those, you know, you don't get a frost and kill some of those. What are the flies that actually bite? Yeah. Bite them and pass on some of those. Viruses. Viruses to them. And they end up overheating. Like they'll run a fever. Yeah. Well, yeah. And so, like, you get a mountain area, and it gets colder sooner up there. You get frost. You get, you know, both the vegetation and the bugs. It kills those bugs. You get lower. That's why Zion National Park, you'll have them down behind Springdale and all that. They'll have stuff down there from time to time. And I think there's something to do with that. Just a warmer climate. You've got a buggy period for longer into the fall. And that's usually when it happens.

It's when EHD breakouts happen. It's late in the falls and all that. You know, when you have a long Indian summer that, you know, you get a breakout, and then you've got stuff that can live. And you'd know when it was happening because you'd just start finding random, healthy-looking deer just floating in ponds or, like, in springs and stuff. Yeah, what the crap. Yep. Yeah. Try to cool off. Yep. Anyway, it's a lot of fun. Like, you know, Nevada's, I love Nevada's muzzleloader seasons. You know, I've killed three or four of them, you know, over there. And I just thought, this is one that hasn't been posted a lot. I don't give him a ton of love. Yeah.

You know, it's what it is. He's the, I don't know, of the Carter collection, he's probably the forgotten one. Yeah. He's definitely the forgotten one. Yeah. I forgot all about it. Way to give him some love. Way to give him some love. I do what I like. Just the, I think the more, you know, more along the lines of what he taught me and the persistence. Yeah. And then you finally end up walking away with them. So, you know, we've all hunted those deer that just flat get away and you never get them and you put months in over the course of several years or something. Those are hard ones. Heartbreaks. But anyway. All right. Who's next? Josh. Oh. Adam. Oh, there's Bronson. Well, I might have told. In a thick forest. It was just a quick. Aspen trees. Yeah. Well, if you've hunted, you know, 61 or places like that in Colorado in the summer, 44 or wherever, you're going to have to hunt aspen.

Thick as. We know they're, they're very productive in an Aspen understory, you know, in terms of vegetation on the ground. There's a lot of deer and stuff that live in there. And when you can't glass out in the open, it turned into one of those. This is one of those days that, that started, had a, had a big front coming through and it was a 10 to 20 mile an hour wind solid from like daylight on. And so after I glassed and didn't see anything, I'm like, well, there's endless Aspen slopes and pockets. And this is like second to last day of the hunt. I mean, it's like the next day's it. And I, I'd seen a couple other decent bucks. Did you hunt the whole season? No, I had, I had about the first three or four days, ran home for a couple of days. I think I had a Nevada tag that year. And then I had to finish that. And then I came back. And so anyway, uh, it was all by myself this time.

So anyway, ended up all literally all day long, just puttering, still hunting, getting the wind right. You know, it was very steady. So I could, I knew which way the wind's coming. And these, these, these Aspen patch, some of them are, you know, hundreds of acres. We're not talking like a two acre, you know, Aspen patch. We're talking hundreds of acres on some of those slopes that you can just almost zigzag through them. And I stepped on a lot of deer or saw a lot of deer before they even saw me because of those Aspen leaves, you know, they quake. Right. That's how they get their name, quaking Aspen. They, they make a lot of noise in the wind and, and, uh, you know, did that all day long. And I don't know what time of day this was. You can stalk them when they're doing that. Oh yeah. And, uh, I knew, you know, midday, what are you going to do?

You can't glass, you know, the second to last day. So I just all day long walked and walked, walked, and passed a few other, you know, 160 style, 170 bucks. And then finally late in the afternoon, uh, I was going down through this draw here and like 40, 50 yards in front of me. I saw like a six or eight foot little Aspen sapling just whipping, you know, you know, abnormally. And so I got down, it was a buck. This buck was raking. He was raking in a thick little Aspen patch. Patch. He was bedded down raking the tree. Wow. So like, you know, just like sometimes you've seen a deer after watching for a while, they're laying down and I've seen them bed laying down or feet. I should say laying down. You're like, all right, he's going to get up pretty quick. If he starts to eat while he's in his bed, they're getting up soon. And so I thought, well, he's raking. He's restless.

So I, I didn't even know what he was. I could, I mean, I had 12 peers on my neck at 50 yards and he looked freaking 210 inches, you know, but that's not the reason I shot him. I thought he's a mature deer, whatever he's. And then when I saw the big three point side, I'm like, I don't care. As soon as he, as soon as he stands up and he stood up and took like one step and I pounded him like 44 yards. It was just awesome. So it was just perfect muzzleload range. He's in there tight and walked up to him and he's stoned dead. I love that he's a three by four. Do you? Yeah. Well, no. Tell me more, Jason. Well, no, what I love is just the three by posts that we had coming and they were coming at us fast and furious. Yeah. I don't know how that happened really, but they did. I mean, it was nonstop. Bronson was like, okay, all right, already. But he ended up being a three by four. But he's legit.

I wouldn't say just mature. Good looking, good looking cape. Really cool looking buck. He's mature deer. He's, he's. Yeah. Fat G4 on him. Anyway. Just heavy. That was that. That was, that was only three, four years ago. Something like that. Fun time. How long ago? Probably three, four. Yeah. 20. Not very far. 2019-ish. 2020? Yeah, probably after that. 2020. Same year we all had Nevada Tech's. 2021. Was it? 21. So three years ago. Okay. Yep. So anyway. So a little more, would you, would you, I mean, would you do it again? Yeah. A lot of people out there are thinking, you know, the second, third, fourth is what Colorado's known for. Well, and we, we've said it. Well, and we, we've said it many times here. We, we like those in general because we usually have a fair amount going on. We live in Utah. A lot of times, most of us here, we archery or muzzleloader hunt if we get a general tag

more times than a rifle. I think we would, I'll, I'll say we do that. And plus just other stuff, whether we're helping other friends on limit entry elk or my case sheep hunter. September is busy. The whole world kicks off in late August, September. So it doesn't always fit our schedule. We can show up to Colorado and just hunt a second or third many times without even scouting. And we've said that many times and there's benefits to that. But this is one of those that, that, yeah, I did take a summer trip. I was familiar with the unit too, to some extent, but never hunted the highest part of the unit. So, uh, yeah, I'd do it again. I mean, I, I do think in general, and I think we could always, I'll say that, that the archery muzzleloader hunts in Colorado in general are undervalued to some extent because we are so pro everybody, you got the late dates, you might hunt the rut.

If it snows, it can be awesome. And every, that, that's where it feels like the vast majority of people's minds turn when they think Colorado. So yeah, I'd do it again. How, like real quick, one, just one more thing. How, how, how do you hunt that thick stuff effectively? Like what's the, that was the, that, I had done that a couple of other times during the hunt, went during the middle of the day, but man, it's pretty thick as you can see. You went and scouted, let's call it pre-scouted. You went and pre-scouted and found a few bugs. I never saw them again, Jason, during the hunt. Yeah. So I knew, I knew there were deer in this area. And legit good deer. Yeah. Deer that were, you know, that caliber deer, but four points and one of them had a cheater out each side. Yeah. But then you can't find them again. No.

They're just, just in the summer and, and whether they bounce over to, maybe they bounce over to 62, who knows? Cause you got general season elk hunting going on one side of the road and, you know, not on the other. It's just hard to effectively hunt it. People everywhere. So it's like, you're a little bit at the mercy there, but, but that day, honestly, the wind is what helped me kill that deer because I'd done this a couple other times just cause you don't want to sit around your truck all day during the middle of the day. Oh yeah. And when it's quiet and you're walking, still hunting, it's, it's pretty effective. Well, you're down to the last couple of days. Yeah. It was pretty, it's pretty ineffective at times. This was just the perfect storm. When you get a, when you get a good wind like that, you can take advantage of it in the aspens. That's why I killed that deer. Right.

If it wasn't windy, I probably never would have. Oh, all right. That even gets me fired up. Maybe we do. Or like a fresh skiff of snow. Oh yeah. Then you can be deadly quiet too. I love that. Because you know, the next morning after it freezes, that two inches is going to be so loud. You can't walk on it until about noon or one o'clock. It's a blessing and a curse. Yeah. It's good when immediately. It's like cutting turkeys. You hunt turkeys in the spring after the snow, evenings you're all right. The next day, you can't even, you can't walk 500 yards from a bird before they hear you. They'll hear you every time. Every time. So anyway. All right. There we go. Archibald.

There it is. Well, tell us more. I think we might, we might've done this on a podcast. Yeah, I think I've told this story. But maybe, maybe the bridge or reader's digest. My favorite thing about the dropper got him killed. I mean, he was a slick shank. No eye guards. Great mass. Old sucker. Big bodied old ding. Yeah. I was alone. I hunted him archery. And I was, he was bedded, dude. Dead. I'm like, this is it. I'm going to kill him the first day. And I had to walk like a mile or two to get there. And I'm like, okay, I should see. I know I'm within 35 yards with a bow. Yeah. And I'm like, I got to see tips any second. Well, there was two tree. There was two pieces of like the same exact looking stuff. And I had picked the wrong one. There was one behind. And I'm like, where is he? And I heard something. I look over and he's just, he stands up and he's morbidly obese. Ox body.

And he jumped, he tried to jump a fence, didn't make it. And he's not even wounded. No, I scared the crap out of him, you know. But he was, Josh, you saw him on the ground. He was literally obese. Jeez. Jeez. Yeah. So you hunted with him, you hunted him with a bow too prior. That was that. And then you learned, what I liked about this story is you learned by the end of it, you, you, knowing during, if you'd have known what you ended with, if you'd have known that during the archery season, you'd have killed him during archery season. Every day. Yeah. What is it that you learned? Just learning the country and his habits and what he was doing. I mean, he was smart. He, he, one time he heard me driving in there. I got a little too close. And I saw him, it was like two in the afternoon. All I could see was his eyes and his antlers. Looking at you? Just watching from like, dang it a mile.

You knew he was there? Well, once he saw me, when I jumped him and he fell on his face because he couldn't jump the fence, he knew and it changed, you know. He did. He changed. Somebody knows my bedroom now. Yeah. But this day, Josh was there and he was in the same spot. It was muzzleloader, obviously, and come out and there had been coyotes, a pack of them. I'd been seeing them. I was out there for 10, something. That place has more coyotes than any place I've ever been in my life. And so they, all the deer are like. On edge. Literally in a herd. Does, fawns, bucks. And it was just kind of like, I had to really, you know, he was mixed in with so many deer and he was, of course, being obese. Just, he was the last one standing there feeding and killed him. There's him and that cactus buck. Remember? Yeah, he was with a cactus buck. That was that weird cactus buck. Yeah.

Because they were, he was with two other bucks when I first glassed him that morning out on that bottom. And they were kind of going north a little bit and moving around. But that was the thing going back to what you said. Just knowing what they were going to do and how they did it and when and how many times they would do it. Like, Devin was set up perfectly. In the dark. He knew right where to go. And so, yeah, we, I hiked in on the one side from the dark. So I was looking towards Devin. He was looking towards me kind of thing. Wow. But, yeah, those, once those coyotes started going nuts, there were some does that came right by you. I thought it was going to all be over with. And they were looking your way pretty heavy. But those coyotes just had stuff so weird. And all of a sudden, they just, there were deer. You didn't really know existed.

All of a sudden, they were just this big ball. Like a bison herd. Yeah, it was the weirdest. Like this big ball. And they just were moving out through this little flat bottom. And his buck kind of just eventually tailed off slower and slower towards the end as they were all pushing and went right past him. He was always the last one feeding. He was hungry. Always the last buck to bed or go in. It's crazy. Yeah. So, you freaking shot. Was it opening day, Devin? Yeah. Killed him. Yeah. You shot. We had to. It was a significant shot.

Yeah. How far? 220. Five. Open sight. And here I am whining about 125. Well, I wasn't going to. I had it in my mind like, all right, it's over. It's too far. And then him and that stag sat there. And I was watching through my binos. And he turns broadside and he was next to this giant, really, almost like a white bush. It was light green. So, his body really stood out. His body. I mean, yeah. So, I could put my sight, my open sight right on that bush and see exactly where I was. You know, relative to his body has killed where I wanted to shoot him. And just as soon as it hit high, poof. And he just, yeah. He didn't go. Yeah. He smacked him hard. Yeah. He didn't go 20? No. Pretty much not. I mean, you made a heck of a shot. Well, we already know it. Unless that was just a shot just for the camera. You know, you walked up to him. That's like a perfect shot. That's it, man.

That doesn't get better than that. No. Yeah. Sometimes I hit him on the first shot.

Okay. Now, you should follow that up with what you learned about your rifle scope. Yeah. When your rifle doesn't track, you may hit high. Yeah. But it's okay. Yeah. That's all right. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. That was fun. We, the hard part, well, not the hard part. It was just after I put so much time into that deer for the archery, I'd be lying if I said it was, wasn't the same shooting him at 200 or something yards. Just, you know, like, man, I had him within 50 yards like three or four times. One day at 70 for an hour. Yeah. Well, you know. You've got to give yourself a little more credit, though. That's still. Oh, it was awesome. It's not like shooting a tom out of a rooster. I had an elk tag that started the day before. Oh. And I had to make the decision. Stress. I told Josh, I'm like, we're going to go and we're going to give it two days and we're going to kill this thing.

Probably, hopefully the first day. And it worked. I like it. All right. Anything else to add? You good? I'm good. You're good? Josh. Dolick. What do we got here? Oh, that's, I think I've told the story about this buck, too. Really? Yeah. I don't know. Well, do the reader digest version, then. Yeah. I don't know. It was a deer that I actually hunted. It was one of those deer that I hunted for several years. He was a lot bigger two years prior to that. It was in 2018 when it was that really good drought. Wyatt, do we know those bushes around there? They look familiar. It does feel like you guys met on one of those bushes. It's over there. It's still like you guys have had some projects. That was a smoke screen picture. That is not where that deer died. I was going to say. That's off the side of the road somewhere. Yeah. That's not where that deer died. It does look like the ponzi guy.

That's probably 30 miles south where that deer died. Okay. But, yeah. Good boundary. Or good background. Excuse me. That was on the way to the cooler. Stopped for some pictures. There you go. No, that was a deer. I hunted him for a couple years. He was always over 200 for several years. But he was a deer that, I don't know, bothered me more than anything. He wouldn't live more than, I don't think, more than a mile radius his entire life. You'd see him in the same spot, summer, winter, spring, fall. Doesn't matter. Sheds were picked up there. You'd see him. I'd see him all the time except during the hunts. I never, you'd never see him. You can see him during the rut of the summer. And we hunted. I mean, I hunted there. I had dedicated hunters. So, I hunted there for three years. Every day I hunted. I would hunt there. So, I didn't go anywhere else.

If I went somewhere else, I felt like I was cheating on him or something. So, I had to go back. Jeez. Yeah. Don't want to cheat on that feller. Yeah. Don't hear those words every day. It was just a thick. Do you belong in this office? It was just a thick sea opinion. And so, it was just hard, you know, how hunting opinion stuff is. But, finally, I don't know. I think he got old and lazy that year. Because he was. They aged him. He was an eight-year-old deer. So, he was old. And I think he just kind of started getting lazy. Because for some reason that summer, I could go out and find him every day. And even, usually by the archery hunt, I wouldn't see him ever again until the rut. And this time, I could still find him. And so, I went up there for several days. And I actually just, I'd go find him and watch him for a little while. And see what he'd do.

To go see where his kind of natural path was. Where he'd go bed. And he'd kind of go bed in the same patch of trees all the time. So, I let him do that several times about a week before the hunt. And then, oh, three or four days before the hunt, I went down there and let him do it. And then, I went and bumped him to see where he'd go. Just what he did. Before the hunt? How'd that work out? So, and he went out and he went down the canyon. And away from me around this big ridge the one time. And then, I did it again. And the second time, he went out across this big, huge flat. So, I was like, well. And I knew there were some guys going to be in there hunting him. And so, I just went up and found a spot where I could either see. I could see where he was going to come to bed to shoot him before he went to bed. Or as he busted out. Either of the ways.

But I couldn't see the downward hill very good. So, I sent my dad down there. But I went down to that spot where I could see him really good. And I actually set up and kicked a little dirt hole in the hill and stuff so I could sit. Because it was on a steep hill. It was across the little canyon. And I showed up there that morning and there were headlights. And literally right down where I was going to go sit. And I'm like, you've got to be. Like headlamps? Yeah. People? Yep. Walking in the dark. And a vehicle. Just like people in a vehicle sitting there. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. What are the odds of that? Like literally in the exact spot. And I'd never seen this vehicle there before. Or those people. I'm like, wow. Did they just find this? They're just deer around them. Yeah. Hunting. Yeah. So, then I was kind of mad. I had to adjust in the dark.

And found a spot that I felt like would might work. So, I sent my dad down lower in case he went that way. That he might get a shot at him. And I said, I'll cover kind of either if I see him coming to bed. Or the uphill part. And kind of basically like clockwork. It was before light. I could start to see deer in the 15s. Just some bodies. And some guy came hiking off the top of the ridge. Right down on top of him. And those deer all moved down into the bottom where they were bedding. Well, he came and ran straight up to my dad. Right up to him. And he didn't see my dad. But my dad, he came up right on basically the other side of opinion. And finally stopped when he saw him. And my dad couldn't get a shot. So, he actually ran back down. And Torrey bedded and came running out right in front of me to take his second path out where he went. Running? Yeah. So, this is how far?

Was this a muzzle? Yeah, it was 300 yards. So, patterning his escape routes helped? Oh, yeah. That was the only way. That was the only way. Gee. You anticipated a lot of pressure. Oh, yeah. General season, southern region. He was living 500 yards off a main Forest Service road. That was the other thing that was so hard about him. So, but I just knew. And I just knew something was going to happen. So, that was the only way I knew I was going to be killing him. But that was the only time I ever saw him on the hunt was that day I killed him. Gee. It means a lot to you. Oh, yeah. When you've hunted him for so long. Yeah. And it sucked because he was way downhill and score and all that stuff. But, like, I felt like I won. Cool. Eight-year-old buck, man. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like I finally won. So, he kind of means a lot. He's the one that's in my office, obviously. Oh, yeah.

But it was, yeah, he taught me a lot. Taught me how bad I suck at hunting for a long time. It took a lot of years. I hate it when they teach you that. How bad I suck. And it worked out good. You finally get the last laugh. Yeah. Put him in the dirt. The best part. I shot him and I got down there to him and I was screaming. Because I had my dad come back up and I told him. Because I hit him and he went down in this little wash and I couldn't see him. And so, I walked down there and I got down there and found him. And I just kind of started screaming, you know, so my dad could hear me and stuff. Anyway, one of the guys that came walking off the top of the ridge comes down and he'd seen him. And he's just like, oh, what are you screaming for? And he acted all mad like it was his buck or something. And then his sister or wife or somebody comes walking up. She's like, why are you screaming?

I'm like, are you okay? We have called 911. Because I just killed this deer. Because I just killed this deer. She's like, you're not supposed to scream. We're hunting. I said, I'm done, honey. But we're not. I don't give a crap about the rest of you. We're not done. We're all hurting each other. It's like it's some kind of domestic dispute down there. So, it was fine. We did a welfare check down in the brush.

J.F.P.'s down in the brush. He's falling. He can't get up. Somebody help him. Well, I like it. So, it was good. I don't know. Sometimes you have to get weird and do weird things to get them killed. I think these are classic examples of how sometimes we shoot management deer thinking, you know, not that this is a management deer, but. Almost is, basically. Almost is right here. And I'd like to know a little history on your deer. Did you ever have yours aged? No, I didn't. But I'd like, but they're old deer that. He had to be five or older, for sure. But you know he was built differently. Like, yours was built differently. You know, right? I feel like Adam's was. I don't know. We don't know. But I feel like they have those odd years. And we've seen some of that where. Well, that's what this was. He was old enough. The green was terribly dry. And a drought.

I mean, he was over 200, 205 to 210. Typical with a cheater. And he'd throw a cheater off each side one year. He'd switch sides for his cheater for a couple years. And just giant, heavy four-point. And then this is what he was this year. Sheds are out in people's houses. I've got two sides off of. I've got two sides off. The same side off of him for two different years. Wow. Crazy. Cool. I like it. Congratulations. Cash. No. There's cash. There we go. What do you mean? Got a split G4. Let's hear it. That's what got him killed.

I like it. It happens, right? Yeah. It'll happen. Yeah. No. I saw it before. From the moment I saw that deer to when I killed him, I saw him in total for maybe, as far as like his head, for maybe seven seconds total. Jeez. No joke. Did you have a cap on? No. Ready? I sat on him all day, too. So I saw him in the morning. I glassed the morning. Didn't see anything. And went up to the top of a knob to look in a different canyon. And looked across the canyon. And the sun's shining over there. And I see something moving. So I pull up my binos. And right as he's ducking into a tree, I got like a two-second look at him side profile. And there was just enough to notice he had a split. I was like, oh, that's got to be a good deer. He's like, he's got an extra. He's like 600 yards. And so I bust down through onto this other knob that would put me right on top of him.

And it's crazy thick, just like Josh's, like just thick juniper. And I get to that top of that knob. And I'm just kind of waiting to see if he pops out on this ridge. And I can actually hear him, like down like 80 yards, scratching out of bed. I'm like, oh, he's down there somewhere. I was like, I can't bump him. So I was like, I'm going to back out and go to this other side of the canyon, see if I can glass him. So I pull out and get on the four-wheeler, go down, clear to the truck, up this other road, and walk in on this other knob. And there's a ridge between us. And so he's down on the bottom. I can't see. And so, but I know he's in there. And so I was like, you know what, I have all day. I'm just going to sit on him, sat on him all day with about probably 45 minutes of light left. He, something must have boogered him out of there.

But he comes trotting out, trotting over the ridge and immediately beds down. See him for like trotting through the thick for like four or five seconds. And immediately beds down. I can just see from like middle of his neck all the way back down his body. And he's like 230 yards from me. So I know there's, that's him. Like I watch him, whatever. So I just lay down, like I'm going to shoot him. Like I have an idea. I have an idea of what he is, which was not accurate. But what did you think he was? 35 inch, eight by eight, triple eye guards. No, I never saw how wide he was. I just saw a side profile and just like replaying it, painting it in my head. I was like, it's got to be like 170 puck. Like he has an extra, like he's got to be mature. He was really like, he's, he's taller from like his base to his tips, whatever. And what I saw, I saw what I thought was a front.

I saw his, it'd be his G3 and his beam on the one side. And I was thinking of this front just from the flash. Oh, that's big. Yeah. And he's got another, he's got a double G4. I have a magnificent seven in my mind. But I saw the other side of him. So he was going the other way. So I saw the far side. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, that's just a flash. A big front. And so I was like, he's got a good fork. Like shiz, I got to get this two killed. And so anyway, I smash him and he runs clear down the canyon, crashes. So I follow it and get down there and there's basically a coyote sitting in a bush. Come on. He's better than that. No, no. He, yeah. He's awesome. I was like, oh, well, that's not what I expected. But I guess he has an extra. Utah General, right? You knew that was right. Yeah. I got that part right. Everything else wasn't quite as accurate. But yeah, it was fun.

What did you use for a muzzleloader? I had a Paramount. There you go. I had a TVA, so it was like, I'd shot a ton. So that was like a chip shot, it felt like. Yeah, you're kind of a, come to find out, you're kind of a shooter guy. You built your own rifle before, things like that. I did, yeah. Lozloader. Yeah, someone else owns that rifle now. Yeah. Some other lucky soul. Yeah, I built them a good rifle, so they better like it. If they don't, it's on them. Yeah. So how did it feel to be rifle-less for a minute? Kind of scary, because I have a bear hunt coming up. So I was like, oh, hopefully that comes in time. Only like a month. If I get it by this day, I can shoot it that day and maybe have good enough to shoot a bear. But primarily, I'm going to do it with a bow, but we'll see. But now you're set, right? We're set. You just got to go zero it. Yep, that's it. So we're good.

Got a new fierce. The old fierce boys got me. That's right. Got it quick. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Super fast. So it was awesome. Like a week. Yeah. Feels like. A week or ten days. I told him August, and then the next day we got a shipping thing. Yeah. I like Devin. Devin's like, gee, what do you expect? It's going to be August soon. I just don't want to get your hopes up, man. You never know. But yeah, that's that deer. I packed the entire thing out in one load, and it wasn't terrible. I want to be in the 20s again.

I've done a few of those, and they hurt bad. Yeah, it was not fun. Colorado. Not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was. Sticking to it. All right. Okay. Logan. Are you next? Keep scrolling. I thought that was everybody. Come on. What do you mean, Logan? I got my Utah whitetail. Hey, you've got a split. Yeah. Hey. Are those 20-inch eye guards? Yeah, they are, actually. It's a fork and horn. It's a fork and horn with eight-inch eye guards. Back in the Midwest, that would be called a nine-point.

No, mine was, I killed him this last year, and we were hunting these bucks all through the archery hunt, and we had one big old three-by-four that we were going after pretty hard in the muzzleloader hunt, and I told my dad, they were running this group of bucks, and I told my dad, last day of the muzzleloader hunt, if I've got them at a good range, I'll shoot this super old three-point. He was just disgusting.

Anyway, I told him, I said, if I got him at a good range the last day of the muzzleloader hunt, I'll shoot that big three-point, because he's pretty cool, and we've got to get him to stop breeding.

We parked the truck, and we're going to walk about half a mile up to the glassing hill, and we just get over the top of the first ridge, and all of a sudden, there's this group of four bucks that just take off running 75 yards in front of us, and we're like, what the heck? We've never, we've hunted these deer for two months now, and we've never seen them here, and so my dad's like, that one's that big old three-point, take him, and so I get set up. I'm on a pack, just ready to shoot. It's like 75, 80 yards they've trotted to at this point, and my dad's like, wait, wait, that's not him. He's like, it's a different. He looks old, because his horns are all weird, and he grew weird, so you just assume that's an old buck if you were seeing him in the heat of the moment, and so I'm like, well, if it's an old three-point, he looks pretty cool. I like the look of him.

I'll take him, and I shot him, and he went down, and we walked up, and I'm like, oh, he's kind of young. I feel kind of bad. But I'm like, one less three-point to worry about. That's right. But it was really fun. Kind of one of those super quick. You got to decide now. Yeah. It's over. Decide now or forever lose the chance, and so it was my, actually the first buck I've killed in a really long time. I'm kind of picky. Yeah. With the muzzleloader last year. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the story was going to be, well, so we live in Beaver County, and so on the last day of the muzzleloader hunt. Here we go, Josh. Right in on the Beaver County, guys. In Beaver County, you get to use a saber fire on the last day of the muzzleloader hunt. If they're not in the muzzleloader hunt, you can actually use a rifle. The hatred runs deep. What are we going, Paul? Why are you so angry?

Even your hashtag last night. Brutal.

Where's the anger, Bollock? I don't know. Have you set up on high hills above Beaver County, guys? I really like cheese curds. It's weird.

When I was interviewing for a job here, I'm just really glad Josh wasn't on the decision committee. I might have never gotten high. Oh, there's not a chance.

I have lots of friends from Beaver County. I have a friend. There's vindictiveness, and then there's all the grudges. I just thought it's about where I expected that story to go. Well, where's the truth? Now go ahead and tell us the truth. All right. So what I like about the Marshall family, I can just picture, you know how Paul, you're talking about your dad? Oh, I mean, dude. The animation and the excitement. I mean, I can. He gets excited. There he is. You can cut it with a knife. It's just like. So you can picture the whole thing going down. It would be an entire yard sale all around that. Bucks blowing. Oh, yeah. Guns coming off. Scopes. We should call Paul one of these times.

He's. And he's serious. Oh, yeah. He's no joke. I mean, he is no joke. I don't know anybody, and I know I'm sitting in this room, but I don't know anybody that gets excited over hunting as he does. Yeah. Well, and expression it. Yes. Visibly excited. It's one thing to get excited.

It's pretty fun. So. Well, that was. Well, those are fun stories. Have we caught everybody's? Is that it? That's all. John. That's everybody. King John. We're going to skip me. Because. Yeah. Yeah. Next time we do the muzzle. I killed my elk with the muzzleloader. I haven't killed a deer. John's ready for the muzzle elk. Musket elk. I would go into the elk. I've had more bad experiences with muzzleloaders. Not going off. I was going to talk about some friends that you had sitting above you and the pumpkin patch. Yeah. Those are being. Just bad. Bad experiences with muzzleloaders. Except for. I killed a good elk. But. Yeah. No. No deer. No good experiences. Do you have interesting experiences? They're all bad.

All right. I don't know. I had a muzzleloader and it went click a lot. Just. Did it? Click. I can't imagine. That's crazy. That's crazy. I started with a muzzleloader. Ended with a rock. Oh. I mean.

Yeah. And then. A shovel. Not as wide. And then we had to. And then we had to cape them. We had no knives.

No. When you talk about having a primitive weapon. And. You know. Having less success. It's. It's true. It is. It's true. Well. Yeah. Bronson. I want to. I want to dig a little deeper. On your other muzzle buck. That I thought you were going to post. Just because. This is why. It was. These stories are kind of fun. Because you never have an opportunity to tell. Like. If we don't tell that story today. It never gets told. Because. Those were a long time ago. You know what I mean. Yeah. Well. Yeah. Logan hit us all up. And said. Hey. Send us some pictures of muzzleloader bucks. And I sent him two. And. I had forgotten about the. The Colorado buck. And then that's the one that got used. And I'm like. I was kind of. Well. I had forgotten about the. Story. On this Utah buck. Well. We were actually. Me and a couple buddies. We were actually. I'd seen a. It was. 2005. Jeez.

That was in a previous life. Logan. When were you born? 2006. Teen. No you were. 2000. Oh. Okay. Because I was going to say. You were an egg. That's it. I haven't even asked you. Okay. Go ahead. Bronson.

He wasn't even a thought. All right. Go ahead. Well. 2005. And. Yeah. So. You know. During that summer. I actually worked for the Division of Wildlife at that time. That was. Way back when. It was. A year before I left. But anyway. I found a really good deer in the summer. He had a. He had a. 10 inch dropper. On one side. Heavy. Big. Heavy. Tall buck. Had a three by four frame. But the three point side had a. Had a 10 inch dropper coming down. He was. It was an awesome. Cool. Awesome. But. Utah general. And so. Me and a couple buddies. You know. And it was an area that they had done it too. But anyway. Before. So. We were all just basically. I mean. There was some other deer in that country. We were all just basically going hunting. Looking for that deer. It was not a deer that I had. Patterned. Or anything like that. And. Late in the morning. We were all out on different glass knobs.

It was probably you know. Between a mile. Or half mile apart. And. I hadn't seen much. And. Those guys had. They'd seen. This. This other deer. Dropper deer never showed. So that. This other deer. They found it. We got a pretty good deer over here. He bedded in some thick mahogany. Way down in this deep canyon. But. We think he's a pretty good deer. So. Late morning. I moved over to where they were. You know. Would never have seen the deer. But they. You know. Had a scope. And you could see pieces of a deer through mahogany. I mean. Had no idea. Yeah. I mean. What it even was. But they. Somewhat described the deer. And you know. He's got some extras. And whatnot. And. And I'm basically. All right. Extras get you killed. Well. Go kill. I'm like. Yeah. I didn't see the deer. Legit. I'm like. Go kill the deer. And they're like. I don't know. And it's in a deep. Freaking abyss. I mean.

It's a deep canyon. So they're thinking like. We're going to get down there. It's going to. We know how this ends. We know how this ends. And I don't know. I don't. You don't know. Maybe I should. Maybe we should call. After I tell the story. Maybe I should try. Try it. After. But. But. And again. This is a. 2019 year old memory. So. I just remember. Me thinking. All right. I'm going to stay here in glass. One of you guys stalking this deer. And they just weren't. Eager to do it. And they're like. I'm like. Lord. Do you want to go down there? I'm like. Oh yeah. I'll go stalk it. I mean. I see where it is now. I don't know what the deer even is. And so I said. All right. I'm taking off. And I said. We'll sit here. We'll sit here in glass. Okay. So. And this was not like. A. You know. Hey. This is my area guys. I'm bringing you to my area. This was just.

We're all just hunting deer on the Utah General. So. But. So then. In the back of my mind. I'm like. All right. Probably not a deer. I'm going to shoot. But hey. It's the middle of the day. What are you doing? Nothing else. So. I got down there. And stalked in. Real close. I'm 30 something yards. Of the deer. Within like an hour. And I can see him. Bedded down in there. And. The first time I got a look. Of the deer. I could tell. He. Of course. 35. 40 yards. When you look through anything with 10 powers. What's he going to look? Yeah. He'll look pretty good. Well. I've got stories on that. We've heard them. And I feel bad about it. We've heard them. I know. The infamous 15 spot. That deer. That deer's in a garbage can. He is. I threw him away. Well. Mostly. It was a bad memory. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. But keep going. I don't know why we have to talk about that anymore. So the deer.

I basically decided. I think I'm going to shoot this deer. Because remember. This is the first time I've ever seen it. But it's in thick mahogany. And if you know thick mahogany. You never. Kind of like one of you guys described. You don't. You're seeing pieces and parts. You're trying to piece it together. You're also wanting it. You're not sure what it is. Because they've told you. And you want it to be. And you want it to be. You want it to be. 220. More than it is. Oh yeah. More. 90% of the time you're. You're over hyping. Yes. And then it stands up and you're like. You know. Now I'm here. Yeah. But this one. This one kind of went the other way. And anyway. The deer stood up and I smoke it. Like 38 yards. And it's. I see it. Go down. Pretty fast. And it's in a thing. And they're. I remember they called me on a walkie talkie. We had just cheap little. Cabela's. You know what.

Talk about. Like where's that. I said he's dead. And I walk out into the clearing. And I remember grabbing the deer like this. And basically showing him. Like he's dead. He's right here. He's right in here. And I'm like. I remember saying something like. I can't believe you guys didn't shoot this deer. And I just remember that the whole time. I'm like. I feel. I feel kind of guilty. Like I shot. Quote their deer. They spotted it. They bedded it. And I stalked it and killed it. I'm like. What's the. What's the deal? Give him a tenderloin. Yeah. So I'm like. You know. And then I'm feeling bad. And so now I'm like. Okay. This is. This is a bad. Going to be a bad. Bad pack out. Because it's steep down. All the way down here. It's going to be straight out. So I said. I can do this. I mean. How old was I back then? You were 23. Let's see. So. In 2005. You were 30. 32. 31. 31 or 2.

More or less cash's age. So you're like. I got this. Right. And I told him. I said. You guys don't need to come down here. It's going to be a bad pack. Because we had pretty good packs. I don't remember if we were going to stay the night. Up in there where we hiked into or not. But I mean. We're nowhere near the trucks. We're. We're a couple miles from. From trucks. But we're down in a hole. And I said. I can get this. So I took the self timer pictures. All that. And got it. And I. I packed it out of there. And I was. I was spent. But they topped out. And then I sat down. And they sat on the pack. And. They said some words. They were like. That's the buck. And I'm like. What's the only buck? The only buck. You pointed to the bush. And I walked to the bush. And shot the deer. Yeah. That's the buck. You guided me to it. Thank you. This is the deer. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you.

But it was some of that. But. Oh you won? I don't know. I feel. So what I'll answer. Oh it's like 195. Yes. Yeah. Got. I mean. Extra high guards. Like two cheaters at one. And one out. One out the other. And two on the other. I'll bet if you were to rescore it. No one. It was probably even a little bit better. Yeah. That was the day. I remember bringing it to you. That was when we didn't know. Yeah. I remember bringing it to you. Oh yeah. And it was. It's just a boxy. Cool. It's a cool buck. Really tall. Big backs. I had forgotten. Anyway. Anyway. But. I don't know. Maybe. Let's get a different side to the story if they possibly would answer. Is it Gary? Yeah. I like it. So we're going to try. I don't know if he'll answer. But we'll find out. He usually will. He's not going to expect us. We've never. We've never. We've never surprised him on the podcast. So he. Unlike Clint Lindstrom.

And it's not like you call him. Like. Anyway. He'll. He'll think there's an American. Hey buddy. What's going on? I'm not live. Am I? Well. You're not live. But you're being recorded. We can edit anything. But. Okay. Well that's good. That's good. Well.

Gary. Gary. Do you remember a story. Of Bronson's buck. 2005. 2005. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I told the story. I told my version of the story. We want to know. And it's been almost 20 years. And we're all over 50 now. So. We want to know your side of it. I. I. I told about how I felt a little guilty. Because. I hiked over to you. You and Bryce. And I never saw the deer. And. You guys guided him into a giant. I expected to sit down and watch you guys stalk the deer. But it didn't happen that way. And I. I was confused as to why. I wonder. He wasn't gone. And so. So. Tell. Tell yours. Take it away from there. Gary. Gary. We want. So. We want the truth. So. The. The. The truth is that. No. The last time we hunted down there. We. Me and Adam had found a giant buck. You remember that buck Adam? The drop time buck. The drop time buck. Yeah. He was just. One of.

One of the biggest deer I've ever hunted or seen. Yeah. I said about that. And that's what we were all looking for. That morning. Like a 220. I don't know if he's that big. I've got video somewhere. But. He's a big cool buck. Anyway. So yeah. We. We backpacked up into there. And split up. And then that night we didn't see much. Just some small bucks. And the next day. Adam went back to his glass and coin. And Bryce went. Back to his. And that buck came out. Across from me and Bryce. And we watched him. And I'll be honest with you. I just didn't realize he was quite that big. A little while. A little while later. And it was in his. It was across the monster. It was not a good. It was a deep. It was. It was a hellhole. Let's just say it was. In fact. In fact. Bryce. Bryce came back down. And we looked at it. And both of us were like. We ain't gonna let it kill that deer.

Am I telling pretty much the same story? You are. Yeah. Okay. And this is back in Adam's famous lines. He would say. Well in three days. Your legs will be hard. Like he didn't work out. Adam didn't work out. And he's got a stride. That's like 14 yards long. Well Gary. We were in our. Low 30s. I mean. No. You didn't need to work out. Then it was just. You just did it. You just did it. So anyway. So yeah. You guys called me over. And said I got a deer over here. And I remember looking through a scope. And not even. Okay. I see a flicker. An ear or something. Okay. There's a deer there. And you kind of described it to me. But I couldn't figure out why you guys weren't going. I'm ready to just watch one of you guys go kill it. And you guys were not interested. Well the part. The part. And I'm. I don't even know if I want to tell this. Yeah. The part I mean. But I still felt bad about.

Was we were like. Hey. You can go kill it. But we ain't going with you. We were thinking that would deter him. That was in our early hunting days with Adam. And he said. Nope. I'm gone. And he said. He's back on. And away he went. We felt bad about that for about a year. So. We would have went. But we really didn't think he would go. But. He went over there. And I remember. It was not a good spot. No. It was. But. Hey. I still doubt if it was big enough to go kill it there. And I know it was big. Yeah. So. So awesome. So then I got. I thought. I fast forward a little bit about how I got in close. And. You know. 30. This is leading. This is leading. This is leading. Yeah. He got right into 30 yards. I just remember. I just remember killing the deer. And you guys didn't see it run out. You didn't see. You didn't see anything. You're like. Where is it? Where is it?

And I remember walking out. And grabbing the deer. And lifting it. And showing you guys. A mile. A mile and a half away. You remember that? I said. He's right here. Yeah. I did. I did. So. Anyway. It happened pretty fast. It was just. I don't remember. The conditions must have been perfect. But got in there. And killed him. And then. Then I start. When I sit. I'm like. I'm crapping. Because I'm like. I can't believe they didn't want to come and shoot this deer. This is a big deer. So then I'm like. Yeah. I can get it out of here. Gary. Remember. You guys don't need to come down here. I felt guilty for shooting. I don't blame you. Their deer. I don't blame you. I was wanting to prolong. I don't. Prolong the face to face as long as I could. We. Well. That. We told you. Hey. We'll come over there. And you told us. No. Just stay. Just stay. We're like. All right. We'll stay.

And keep glassing. Oh boy. So. Yeah. Regrets. Dang. That was. That was a. Good day. I hiked up there. And I hit the ridge. And I remember seeing you guys. And then. Then you guys were like. I don't remember what you said. May or may not have sworn. I don't know what they said. But it was like. Holy crap. That's the deer. You remember that? Oh yeah. Yeah. I knew it was the deer. Since I seen it. But anyway. I'm still going to blame it on bad glass or something. Well. I'm thankful for good friends. Is what I'm thankful for. And that. Because I. That was. I'm getting leftovers. Is what I'm thinking. I'm like. All right. I'll stalk an unknown deer. And then. I shot it. So. Anyway. So. Gary. Seems like you've made a. A habit out of glassing for Adam. You know. You know. The funny thing is. I was thinking that. Just a minute ago. I'm like. You know.

I don't remember him glassing for me that much. I know. Seems like you. I still owe you. I've watched some deer in their beds. For long periods of time. May or may not have lost him.

Hey. I'm still blaming that on Josh.

It's definitely Josh.

I just wish I would have been a fly on the. On the tree next to you and Josh. When you're like. Who's telling him. Gary. Gary handed me the radio and said. You call Adam. We. We lost your deer.

You. What. We lost your deer.

Geez. I love these stories. Well. Anyway. We did this little muzzleloader. Epic musket buck thing. So we've been talking about some of our muzzleloader bucks. Jason asked me about that one. And I kind of told the story. Then we thought. Well. Let's. See if we can get the other side of that. I'd seen a picture of it. And it reminded me of the deer. But then I'd forgotten the story. And we didn't post that picture. And so anyway. I was just like. Anyway. It was probably on film. That picture. Probably from. It might have been a digital camera. I don't remember. And you just. If you don't tell that story now. It's just one of them stories. It probably never gets told. So anyway. Kind of fun. Well. I owe you one still Gary. That's. One of these days man. One of these days. Maybe you guys could have a unit 61 do over. Well. Why don't you draw a tag in Utah this year. You know. That'll work.

Next week. How about that. That'll work. That'll work. I'm hoping to get lucky. I can't make you guys into telling that story again. Colorado. All right. Okay. All right. Well. Have a good day. Well. Thanks Gary. Sorry to call you in the middle of that. Hey. No. No. It's. Hey. No. It's fine. I just. I. I. I. I didn't realize. I thought it was just you. So I wasn't. Hey. We knew. We knew there was a good chance you'd answer. But we now know from now on. There's a good chance I'm getting screened for the rest of my life.

Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. I'm from. See you guys. Bye. See you later. Bye. That's pretty much exactly how I said it. Yeah. I didn't. I don't tell us no lies. I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't figure it out. But I'm like. Well. It's the middle of the day. I'll go stalk an unknown deer that looked decent. But. Whatever. But when you're hunting some of that country. They know what they're getting into. That's not an easy place. I mean. That's a grind. We should have hunted a lot of it. There's just. It's not an easy place. Yeah. Hey. We could talk about Thompson Long Range. You know I smashed chief with Thompson. That Thompson Long Range. So he was my first inaugural type experience with long range rifle shooting. Okay. Mark's taught me a ton. And. You know. A lot of it. We were even talking about him when we were mounting a rifle scope. He believes in a high. Kind of a higher scope.

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Or call him. 435-713-4248. Or thompsonlongrange.com. He's got a lot of different things going. You know. Mark and Scotty. Super good people. And we appreciate our partnership with them. Please support him. If you're looking for something affordable. Simple. Using the Weatherby. Out of the box Weatherby. Which is different than most out of the box guns. As we know. Their reputation precedes him. Super good. Quality products. And uses Leupold. As a scope. So. Anyway. Very simple system. Give him a shout. And we'll go from there. Alright. Hey. I've got a question. Something Josh said. And it made me wonder if I've got the same. Or if everybody's got the same opinion as I do. But. The. He mentioned hunting in the pinion junipers. Is. What's the hardest. Country to hunt for. For mule deer. I think it's the pinion junipers. But. Just wondered what everybody else thought. There was a deer.

I hunted in Nevada. Forks. Remember Forks. And he was in a sea of PJ. And then we could run trail cameras during the season. How about Buster? Okay. Buster's still alive. Oh. But. 14 years later. What did he live in? Buster died. I don't know. A sea of. A sea. Pinion junipers. He did. Almost unhuntable. He did. He proved to be unhuntable. Yeah. Another one of those. You waste 30 days of your life. And anyway. It's a hard. I don't know why. It's a hard vegetation type. Do we have to end a podcast on a downer? Well. But is there anything tougher? No. It's pretty tough. A sea of it. No. I mean. When they go in there. You're done. I mean. In a sea of it. I mean. That's why. Let's keep it real in the parts of southern Utah. That had. Sea of pinion juniper. That's why. Baiting got so popular. Because you could kill deer with bows and pinion juniper. That never would be killed ever. Yeah.

Frankly. It's true. It revolutionized killing big deer in tough country. Yeah. It made deer vulnerable. In tough. When they were. Otherwise not vulnerable. Not touchable. Yeah. Not touchable maybe. Kind of like Josh's deer you alluded to. That deer was almost. He was smart. He knew where he was living. And you know. Made one mistake. The only time. Three or four years. And the day you shot him. But you know what I mean. That's very very tough to do. Let alone. But he was not even in a remote spot. He's living off. You know. In a populated area. Off roads. But. They learn how to live. In that stuff. In populated areas. Yep. I mean. Anyway. But yeah. Forks. I went. He would live in thick trees. And we'd have the eye in the sky. I call it. The tallest knob in the country. And we were glassing down. We'd glass him up. But getting down in with him. You'd lose. You can't. You can't do it.

But we'd run cameras in the. During the season. Back in the day. When it was legal to do it. And we knew he was on a rotation. That he was due to water that evening. Or. Or in the night. You know. Nine to eleven. Three days. Whatever. Yeah. But he was in that cycle. He was due. And he was gravitating toward the water. And I was like. I'm just going to get between him and the water. And that's all on YouTube anyway. With a bow. Chris was over my shoulder. We picked the right trail. Glassers had lost him. We were just. Down there in the thick sea of trees on a main trail. And he walked by us. But I mean. That was just a gift. You know. But I think that's what. It almost takes that. Yeah. To kill a deer like that. The luckiest thing ever. Ever. The luckiest thing ever. Well. That was eight days. With a bow? With a bow. Yeah. Yeah. But just walking by. And I shot him on the walk. You know.

Just. Anyway. But. But you say lucky. But I knew he was going to water. Like. We knew he was going to water. And. The water. You know. Anyway. We were probably. May not get there by. Yeah. Until dark. No. I just sat on the water. He never watered in the daylight. Yeah. That's what I mean. So you know. He's going to start feeding that way. When he gets up tonight. Probably. That's my best chance. Yeah. That's what you're saying. Yeah. It's interesting. Anyway. I can tell a few more stories about that deer. He was an interesting deer. That was a. Really cagey. Someone in your office. Right. Yeah. In my. Yeah. At home actually. Oh. Is it? Yeah. Oh. I'm thinking. Oh. Yeah. The other deer. Forks. Remind me how he was built. Big front forks. Giant forks. 205 one cheater or something. But. Yeah. Giant fronts. So I just call them forks. Anyway. All right. So. Let's see. We're talking. John.

Did you have any other interesting questions? No. That's it. I just. I just wondered. Because. I mean. If I were a deer. And I had to live somewhere. That was safe. I would choose pinyon junipers. Thick cedars. Thick. Or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. BG. Yeah. Pretty tough to do. It's about like dark timber. I mean. In the high country. You get. Tall spruce fur. Kind of the same thing. You start living in that. Yeah. Pretty tough. Do you think the absence of baiting is going to help? Do you guys think that. Like. They help the quality? Well. I think. I think people still might kill deer. So. The metrics of. Harvest percentage. Maybe they don't change as much. But. I. I definitely know. The specific. The specific deer. These older deer. Like. Like we're talking about. In. A lot of chances. I mean. Everybody can shoot two points over bait. You don't need to shoot one already. You can hunt.

Hunt your bigger deer. Hunt bigger deer the whole hunt. And. Most definitely. A little more picky. A little more. Oh yeah. Yeah. Added selectivity. And. Vulnerability to deer that are otherwise. Literally. Literally. Not killable with a bow. Yeah. I mean. A hundred percent. Not killable. Even. Even people that never pick up a bow. Picked up a bow. Yeah. When they could bait. You know. Gee down at 20 yards. Or whatever. Yeah. Call it 99 percent. Unkillable. Yeah. Because we all know there's the. There's the flukes. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Unhuntable deer. You wouldn't even. You knew there's really no option. Right. Why. And some of those deer. Yeah. Move on. Most definitely. I mean. We all know. They're just like. It's not even worth spending. Back in the days when it was legal. I wish I had done it a lot more.

Don't we all. You look back on the good days. Wouldn't you. Wouldn't you do it more? Oh. For sure. Do it more. Not a doubt. Never. Never did it. But I think. I might have missed out. Because we let. There's a lot of people killing big deer. I know that. It wasn't me. Yeah. But. Anyway. All right. Well. Okay. Sounds good. We got anything else? I'm caught. Uh huh. Yeah. Let's just shout out to everybody. Utah and Nevada is going to come out this week. But the results. The end of. Midweek. End of week. Whenever. By 16th or 17th. That's what their published date is. So. Give us a call. Let us know. What we can do to help you. Whether it be a member experience list. Or if you need an outfitter. You draw something. You know. You think that warrants that. Or. You just need a member experience list. Or need gear. Opics. Whatever. We're here. Good luck to everybody in the draw. Kind of excited.

Wyoming Elk too. So exciting. Comes out too. This week. It's so exciting. Well. We were excited. And then everything came out. Excited last week for like three sheep states. Right. What? Yeah. We had a chance. It did not happen. And then you realize you have no chance. Hey. We made some good phone calls though. Yeah. We did. Had some really lucky clients. Drew some phenomenal tags. So that was pretty fun. It sure did. It was awesome. But I'm glad that there's more than once a lifetime species. I'll call them that. Sheep, moose, and goat on the docket this next week. Because it feels like there's a little bit. I'm excited to talk to some antelope hunters. He said you're flip flopping again. See what I'm talking about? You make their dreams come true with just a fork and a fork. You're hard to figure out. Two points make these guys' dreams come true.

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