EP 335: A 190" Colorado Muley and Element Optics

You're listening to the Epic Outdoors podcast brought to you by the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo and Utah Life Elevated. This is an event we don't miss. So come and see the whole Epic Outdoors crew February 13th through 16th, 2025 in Salt Lake City, Utah. For more details, go to HuntExpo.com.

Hey, everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Joshua Pollack, and, of course, Logan. Logan Marshall, he's at the keyboard. I don't know. It's a tiny little keyboard. Logan, do you know how to run that keyboard? I think so. I'm learning every day. It's kind of funny when people say, Logan at the keys. Yeah, the thing's like 12 inches across. But anyway, here we are. Another podcast this week, Bronson. Second podcast in two days. I think we're working overtime. I'd like a little break. Got a lot of feedback on the last one already. We haven't had as much. Positive feedback. Huh? Well, yeah. Some. Yeah, exactly. Feedback. We were a little amped. We were like caged animals let loose all out there bellering at the same time. We realized that, but hey. Talking over each other, but that's what we do. You can tell the excitement is, what do they call it? Like palpable here at the office.

Well, we just got a magazine to the printer. Carter had been fluided up. Did you have an IV of Monster that day? Well, I'm not going to give him any free press, but it may or may not have been a Monster mixed with V8. Mixed with a no-dose? Well, and I'm taking some Zycams. There were some concoctions there. Some heavy on vitamin B. Vitamin B makes you feel good. You're supposed to have it. And so in this, the Monster, and I'm not touting Monster, I mean, but it does have a lot of vitamin Bs of all sorts and varieties. You had some synergistic effects going on. The one plus one definitely equaled about eight. I'm good now. I slept good. We're good. I've actually felt like, Bronson, you said you had COVID the other day, and I felt a little COVID-y. That was clear back at, like, Thanksgiving time. I just, I had the day after Thanksgiving when you wake up and cook bacon.

Now, bacon has the most distinct, strong flavor of magic. It's naming something stronger. I mean, that's not disgusting. I mean, it's like when we couldn't smell a skunk one day. I knew I had COVID. But when you eat bacon and it tastes just like cardboard, something you had, probably had something like that. Yeah. I mean, you love bacon. You eat bacon for what? The taste. That's all you eat bacon for. Oh, I was thinking breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Well, yes. But you eat it because it tastes amazing. It does. But your clothes stink. Your house stinks. Every time we cook it, I get so sick of it. But it's one of those things that, like, makes the whole world better. But then when you had COVID and you taste bacon, it's just rubber. I'm just like. How did you like that? And it happened a couple of days right thereafter. And, you know, I avoided everybody and nobody else said they got it.

That's a crazy thing. I've had COVID, I don't know, 45 times. Who knows? Exactly. The last three or four years. But I've never lost my taste once. Really? Never. Oh, it's a terrible thing. It changed Diet Coke for me. It changed all kinds of stuff. Can we talk about that? She doesn't drink Mountain Dew anymore. And Jason. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean. She can't drink it. It was kind of edgy. Sounded edgy for her. Jason. And I was just like. Really? And she. Yeah. It changed it. It's like cough syrup to her now. It was a sad day. That's it. But anyway. So I felt a little bit COVID-y. Probably got it from Logan. Logan, you're out and about and bringing home all kinds of germs. That's what I do. Yeah. The stray dog. The stray dog effect. Getting us all sick. That's right. But anyway. Keeps us all strong. We are having a good time, though. This is going to be a good year.

That's the one thing we've decided. This is going to be a good year. We're starting off on the right foot with Trump. He's our man. And that's going to trickle down through the hunting industry. Of course, big deer are going to abound everywhere. Right, Pollock? Jump in the back. You're picking up. Oh, yeah. Hooves up at fork and horns. Right? Yeah. I mean, because if. I mean, if they got the genetics for 230, they're 230 whether they're forkies or not. Exactly. Right. We're not going to let them succumb to a winter loss or a potential lion kill or anything. They're going to be straight up going in the back of trucks. So, we're excited. There's a lot of good things, actually, to be looking forward to. Bookings are doing well. People are excited, Bronson. Like, I mean, I don't know.

It's not like there's abundance of money out there, but people are willing to spend it a little thinking the next four years are going to be a good four. Yeah, I think that's mainly what it is. You're the uncertainty of, oh, geez, are we going to have to deal with four more years of holding your breath? That's over. Right. I think that's where we're at. Right. Or wearing a mask and breathing your own breath or whatever, you know, things like that. All right. Well, let's talk about the Expo. Another place you can get sick on Expo.com. Everybody goes there. Everybody gets sick. That's just part of it. We're shaking hands and kissing babies over there. You know, I don't think last year, I don't think any of us did last year. Well, why? We started popping airborne and Zycabs. Emergency.

Maybe even Z-Packs that you get behind the counter once in a while. Yeah, Devin's all the Sam Muca stuff that he throws out. I mean, we took it religiously. It was good. It helped. It helped. By the way, we do wash our hands on a regular basis. We do. Come by. We want you to come by the booth. Yeah, you can't. You just walk the hall and you pick up something because, you know, it's that Saturday there. Yeah. Can't help it. It's like Logan walking campus. Anyway, February 13th to the 16th, 2025 in Salt Lake City, the Hunt Expo. Of course, you're applying for a ton of tags there. Doesn't have anything to do with your points. Doesn't have anything to do with bag limits, things like that. These are extra tags. Well worth doing. Plus, when you're there, you learn a ton of stuff, man. You get to rub shoulders with the best hunters out there. Thousands of people. Tons of booths. Tons of booths.

Everything Western, big game. Canada, Alaska, Mexico, maybe even New Zealand and other places. There's all kinds of stuff. Some Africa stuff in the room. I mean, it's a healthy mix. You're amongst friends there at the Expo. That's the one thing I like is people are there to have a good time. They're there to kind of see the trophies that were killed in the 2025 season. Of course, there's a few that, you know, emerged from the depths of way back. And it's just a good time. So, anyway, make sure you look at hunnexpo.com. Get registered. Get your motels booked. There's some motels. They're close hotels, motels, whatever they're called. Hostels. Hostels. Yeah. Anyway. Isn't there a homeless shelter just down the road? I guess if you put up. Logie Bear will be dragging it. Bring your camper. Bring your. I don't need to drag the homeless shelter. Bring your camper shell. Throw out a. Whatever.

Throw out a cutter in the back. Canvas cutter. You know. You know people are going to be doing that just to say they did it, which whatever. But, anyway, hunnexpo.com. Again, lots of friends. Everybody's there. Don't miss it. I think it'd be well worth your time going. If you've never been, you should absolutely go. That's what I have to say about that. All right. Let's move along, Bronson. What are we going to talk about today? Well, I think we're going to talk about some range finders. Or range finder company. Optics. Optics is a good thing. Yeah. We do have those there. Going to have those there. Another. All of our optics are going to have them. We're going to have them there at the expo. So, if you are wanting to get into some binos, a spotting scope, rifle scope, whatever you need. We're going to have everything there. So, save some money. Bring it with you there.

And you can get it on the spot. Take it home with you. That's the one thing about us here at Epic Outdoors. We sell all of this stuff. We sell a lot of optics. We sell guns. We sell muzzleloaders. And we're just kind of slowly doing some things as demand dictates. There were some things like the tripods that we came out with. Tripods and the heads. There was a demand there. Because Bronson, you and I. And, of course, Pollock. Logan, not so much. He's using Dad's hand-me-down still. But, anyway, you grab the pair of legs. But then you always match it with a head that's not even of the same brand. Because you like a certain, you know, combination. Yeah. The head and a certain set of legs or whatever. And so you're mix and match. And we're like, wow, this is dumb, you know. And so there was a little, just a little natural thing to go out and do something like that. Yeah.

We made an awesome tripod or two and some accessories. We've, they've been selling like crazy. Yeah. We've got the, what, the gun holder, which is basically a clamp. Got a bino clamp. That actually was surprisingly popular. Where it'll, it's universal, hold any binocular on it and mounted on a tripod. So, anyway, some of that. Phone holder. We started doing trail cameras too and all of these things. So, anyway, that's going to continue. With the optics, we're also talking electronic optics. There'll be some thermal stuff. It's heavily used in Texas and other places. And, anyway, whether it be rifle scoped thermals or handheld binoculars, binoculars, all of that. As well as range finders. These electronic range finders that are next level. And that kind of brings us to what we're going to talk about today. And so, anyway, just a little bit of a plug.

If you're looking for anything, definitely want you to reach out to us. Call us. See if we offer it. There's some things coming out. You know, there's some muzzleloader restrictions and whatnot. We are right on the heels of that. If you're needing to. We're in the works. Exactly. We're not going to, we don't want to create demand. Yes. We don't want to create supply chain shortages until we get what we want. Okay. Is that kind of what we're saying? Well, what we're saying is we need some open, what do you call it? It's called an open ignition. It's basically, what, we got to cut that? I don't know. No, it's just. We're ready to solve this. We're not going to be able to buy it. If we tell the whole world, they better go buy it. Well, trust me, we've already got orders in the process.

So, anyway, if you need a muzzleloader with a number 11 percussion cap or a musket cap that's open to the elements, we're going to have that. Okay. Is that. I didn't know you were going to say that. Yeah. So, we'll be selling that and kind of satisfying that demand. I just think with the Boulder, Cash, Beaver West, which is Logan's favorite, and some of these restrictions, you know, there's going to be guys looking for that kind of stuff. And we want the best. You don't want just the first janky thing that comes to mind. You don't want to be looking for it in August because you're not going to get it. We've learned that, like, last year with the one power scopes, whether it be Vortex or Loophole, they disappeared. And if you didn't have them by August, you didn't get one. Speaking of which, if you do want one of those, of course, we have a little pulled in by the stacks.

Both of those in stock. And, I mean, yeah, you don't need them right now. The Vortex crossfire. But who knows how well that supply chain extends. You know, last year Washington changed, you know, liberalized their laws. You could use a one power scope instead of just open sight. So, they were thrown into the mix on top of Utah. They were on the other end and we both landed at one power. And we ordered both of those aggressively. Hundreds. Aggressively, yes. Hundreds. And it was still frustrating the amount of guys we couldn't get stuff to. Yeah. Partially a lot of them because they kind of waited, put stuff off and waited a little too long. If you were with us already, you got one. But if you remember with Vortex, they only had so many at the warehouse. And we were going to buy them all and we bought maybe half of them. And then we were like, oh, we should have bought them all.

But anyway, crosshairs with turrets or a red dot with turrets. So. That's right. Anyway. How can you go wrong with that? We'll go through some of that stuff. Maybe some of the slightly odd stuff right before the expo, what we're going to bring there in case you're interested. Yeah. Bring it by the pallet. All right. So, that brings us to Element Optics. Josh, kick us off on this for a sec. That was a new range finder. We actually, last year at the expo, Ryan came up and talked to us for the first time. And so, he kind of wanted to throw this range finder out to us. And we said, yeah, sure, we'll try it. And he sent us one. And tried it out. And actually pretty impressed. You tried it out up on Penguich Lake. Yeah. Uh-huh. It was perfect. The thing I loved about it the most, the first thing that I like about it, it's the size of it. It's extremely small.

So, I primarily use a range finding binocular. But I always carry a backup when you have batteries and things like that. You just never know. And especially with lasers and things, stuff could go out or go wrong no matter what you think you have in control. You don't. So, I always have one as a backup. But it was perfect, especially for like a muzzleloader. Yeah. For that, I just had my muzzleloader stuff right in there. It's a nice little handy piece that for a quick shot or whatever, you could quickly range without having to get a pair of binoculars in and out of a harness. It's just on the side, hooked to a lanyard. You could range really quick. And I was very impressed with how well it did there. You were so impressed that you ended up ordering a grundle. Yeah. I coughed a little bit when they showed up. I forgot we probably gave you the all right. Yeah.

You know, Bronson and I looked at each other. We're like, did you authorize this? No, you authorize. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, glad we did, actually. Yeah, yeah. Because for what that range finder does for the price is pretty unbelievable. Okay. So with that, my kids decided they needed to have, you know. Well, they are old enough to hunt alone now, which when you're with them, they use dads there to range their stuff. And that's true. But they're pretty independent souls. I don't know where they get it. But anyway, they decided they need their own. And I'm thinking, yeah, you do. I'm sick of my six hour going down the road or whatever else they could find. I have three like as I can't ever find. EL ranges, who knows? EL ranges. I know there's a pair out there in the woods somewhere. Can't find those.

And so I'm just saying, so this Element Optics comes up and what are we at price point? I mean, we're well under $500. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's call it half, roughly. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. You're talking like a $400 range finder, essentially. Yeah. It's amazing. And it does everything. And it does your ballistic calculation, all that clear out to like 1,500 yards. The laser is really fast. It's nice because it's really user friendly. You can have, there's two buttons on it. There's basically like a fire button and a mode button. Everything else you set up, it has its own app. There's like four rifle profiles in there. So you go in there and you can add a couple different rifle profiles. So switching from just a prime example, I was in Alaska with a 300 ROM. I had it saved in there for the same kind of thing, a quick range or whatever.

I had it with me there and it stood up to lots of weather conditions. We've heard it there. Boating. Boating. Yeah. Weather. That was built in there for my 300 ROM. I also have a 6.5 PRC in there. And I went from like Alaska with that. And then I had my muzzle loader, actually two muzzle loaders. So I had two different muzzle loaders built in there. Just as a backup or backup gun? I had my both CVAs, but they're both completely different loads and shoot different and everything. Dopes. So I had four guns loaded up in there that I used in a 30-day period. And they were all loaded up and ready to go. And you used them with this. Yes. Element range fighter. And it was a matter of I'm going hunting with this gun today, hurry and swap it out, go. So I went from Alaska to Utah to New Mexico, back to Utah.

We're doing the same thing with some of our, you know, more traditional range finders, Bronson, that we're using. Like, say, the 6 Hours, the 8Ks, the old 2400 I'll never get rid of, even though it's not that user-friendly compared to the 8K. But you kind of, you're raised with it and you trust it and you never want it to die. Right? And then this, you know, I had Sean, my son Sean, he's like, I think I want a range finder. And I'm thinking, yeah, I think I want you to have your own range finder. Yeah. And so we sold. He was like our first customer. He was. Then Ashley that night decided she needed one. Yeah. So then we drove back down to the office, got her one. Then we sold one to Justin. Then we sold one to Justin. And I was like, and I'm thinking, dad won here. Yeah. Okay. So then. They can all hunt on their own while you're doing your thing. Yeah.

So then we're driving down the road and Ashley's got the light on. She's like, what do you think? I think I probably ought to get used to that using that app, open it up, get after it, put the app, sync them, yada, yada. And so anyway, next level. Awesome. Kids have accurate readouts. I mean, we're comparing them to the, to everything else. They're just the same. Yeah. Accurate readouts. Yeah. Like Jason always says, math's math. It's just math. Right. So I think we should probably give Ryan just a quick call. Sure. And he's here in Utah. And the thing I like about it too, is it's nice, you know, there's always different, all different kinds of optics, different price ranges, you know, how far they'll range. It's different. Yeah. A lot of different. Well, dude, you were ranging semis driving 65 to 75 mile an hour. And it was coming back. A thousand yards. And it was reading them. Yep.

Giving you a ballistic. So it's nice to have different options for guys because not everybody can afford one thing or another. Everybody's at a different point in their life or whatever. And I just like to be able to have something for kind of everybody that we can provide and help them be successful when they're hunting. So I think we should give Ryan a call. He's up there with Utah Airguns. He's probably just going to want to talk about Airguns, which I kind of want one for this new law here in Utah on the open site thing. What if we shot a 230-inch buck with an Airgun? DIY, FSS. I have something to say. Airguns. You chewed me out two days ago for wanting to be some king of the Creedmoors, which I'm not. And now you're going to go to an Airgun and not get abused? Just don't. I'm going to be all of you for that.

If I kill a deer with an Airgun before you kill a deer with a Creedmoor, or let's call it a Needmoor. 30-caliber Airgun, they say they're no joke, guy. Let's hear it. All right. Let's get behind. The day you leave, just like I wrote in my soapbox this year in the January magazine, I heard a lot of ideas thrown around out there. I took a personal. No, you said left me shaking my head. Exactly. Just like this, you and I both know you're never going to go hunting big deer with an Airgun. I want to, though. It doesn't take away the fact that I want to. Okay. But you want that 7 PRC or 300 with you. Plus, you know, as a doomsday or whatever, it's good to have it for food storage. I mean, air's air. All those things are good. All those things are great. It's just a... You just blow it in the barrel. Don't have to have powder. Don't have to have nothing. Okay. I'll believe it when I see it.

Hello. Hello. Hey, Ryan. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Good. This is Josh and Jason and Adam and Logan here. Hey, guy. How are you doing? Yeah, I'm good. How are you guys? Good. Good. Good. Good. So, when I think about air guns, I can just picture myself over there counting 20 pumps. But do you remember, though, that when I was a kid, roughly, but when you started killing birds in your grandma's fruit cheese for 25 cents a piece to two or three years later, they came out those days that you only had to pump once and it was good. And you thought, I have the world by the tail. I can mow stuff down. Yes. One pump and shoot. It was like... Yeah, it was. Speed. That 10-year-old, like, this is the long-range rifle of the 2025. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, we better go check them out. We just got done talking about what we'll be at the expo. We better... I don't know. 626 yards.

I mean, what kind of energy does it have out? You know what I mean? No, it's a prairie dog, Jason. So, it doesn't mean much. Yeah. It's not much. The range of adjustment on the scope, you'd have to dial down. I got... So, yeah, shooting the first focal plane scope, I dialed up all the way and still had to hold... I had to shoot it on, like, six power, so I had enough reticle to hold. Yeah. Okay. And then your dad holds the record. And is this the family record, or is this an industry record? Is this like a... I think it's industry record. I'll give him that. What is it? What is this yardage? It's 759. Jeez. I'm going to break some record. Really? Yeah, the office record.

Oh, sure. Well, and so what kind of... Are we talking... So, they normally say 1,000 foot-pounds of energy for, you know, as good... Like, killing power for an elk. Like, what kind of energy can you get out of a 30 cal? Out of a 30 cal, I mean, you're getting like 100. The 30 cal's are... There's the difference between the small boar and big boar. So, like, the big boars are classified as a 308, which you... You know, a lot bigger slugs than a 30 cal. Okay. They're going to come around. Okay. All right. Well, we can kind of dive into some of that here in a bit. Josh is... Josh... We've been using... I just wanted to key up Josh because he's used these more than we have. But we were talking range finders, affordable optics, but yet high quality reliability is kind of on everybody's mind. People are willing to... Yeah.

Want to save a few bucks, but also they don't want to lose the buck of a lifetime, right? And so, we were talking about some of these range finders, and I'll let you teach the world about what you've got available and then can dive into a little bit of what we found out, too. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. I mean, it's... Yeah. Josh has been using the Helix 1500. That's what we're talking about today. So, the Helix 1500, I mean, what we really wanted to accomplish with this unit is affordability and capability. So, you know, we call it the 1500 because it ranges out to 1500 meters. That's what we advertise. We want to keep it conservative when we're advertising, but it can go much further than that. It's just a matter of reflection just because people aren't, you know, ranging mirrors when they're hunting. So, like, I've taken it out to 2200. So, it does go much further than 1500.

That's just what we want to advertise, which is 1640 yards out of 1500 meters. Okay. But that's what we want to accomplish is, like I said, the affordability and capability. And with that capability, you got three separate modes. You got the line of sight, HCD, and then what we really wanted to come in with our price point is the ballistics. And it has ballistics built in, uses our chip, and for that price point, there's not a lot of competitors. And that's where we want to come in strong is our ballistics chip. So, on the ballistics, you know, are ballistics ballistics, meaning I know there's different programs like maybe Vortex uses something different than Swarro, right? But, I mean, we've always teased that math is math. Yeah. You guys build your own program? Are you using a universal program out there? I mean, what's the industry? Yeah. That's our own program. It's our chip. Okay.

Yeah. We spreadsheets and spreadsheets and spreadsheets and bullets. As far as environmental stuff, I think, is this the website? Oh, no, that didn't have it, Logan. I was going to say, what environmental data does it capture? It captures it. So, yeah, once you Bluetooth it to the app, which is our app, you can pull from any local airport and have that weather. It's going to take that into account once it Bluetooths. Okay. Once your profile is uploaded, it's taking all that into account as far as environmentals. Oh, okay. So, that's, you know, that's wind, that's barometric pressure. Altitude. Temperature. Yeah. Yeah, altitude. Then I think you can adjust in the app. And, of course, you've used it, Josh, more than me, but you can adjust the app on the wind and the direction and all of that. Just like you can and just so you set it at a 10 mile an hour or whatever, 20 or whatever you want.

Yeah, you can do it. So, like, if you're, you know, you're out there and it feels like a 12 mile per hour wind all day, you can adjust that and, you know, you can make it an average and you can manually switch the direction. It's really fast. That's the nice thing about it. I think Josh was saying it holds four bullet profiles in there, gun profiles at a time. Yeah. Yeah, at a time. Yeah. So, we are currently in the process of rebooting the whole app because we want more profiles. We also want it to connect Bluetooth to the Kestrels, if you guys are familiar with those weather meters. So, then you got the weather and wind. You're not guessing angle and MPH. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's at your location. It's not relative. At the airport. Yeah. Yeah. It's user. The one thing I loved about the app, too, extremely user-friendly. One of the easiest that way.

So, it doesn't take, you know, an average guy who's like, I don't know, I'm not good with my phone or technology or whatever. It's pretty simple, like self-explanatory. And then you guys also have a lot of bullet profiles already loaded into it. And you can either select one from a manufacturer that you guys have loaded in the app or you can manually do your own if you reload your own. Or you need to adjust because sometimes a bullet manufacturer tells you your gun's going to be shooting at 29, 38, and it's actually at 31 something. And you can adjust that and put it in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I like that. There's a lot of guys, older guys even, that are a little bit nervous about electronics, smartphones, whatever, right? And so, it's just they haven't upgraded to a smart range finder, let's call it.

But quite frankly, I mean, we're selling cell cams to guys that are having their grandkids, you know, work it for them. And pretty soon they've got photos on their phone and they don't know how it happened, but they're ecstatic. I think if you can just bite the bullet, get one of these, you're going to be fine. You're going to have a family member, grandkid, whatever, be able to help you out. And once you get it loaded, there's nothing like it. You're not going back. Yeah, they're not that. It may be intimidating that first time for people that haven't done it, but in an hour, it's all alleviated by just what you see entered in. And then when you start spitting it out and your gun starts tracking the way your range finder's telling you it should go, and pretty easy to trust. We're not the most computer savvy. I mean, regardless of what Logan thinks, he thinks we're geniuses.

Yeah, that's right. And all that. I do. Yep. That's what I say all the time. Yeah. But regardless of what he thinks, you know, Bronson, you and I are challenged as anybody, and we can make these things sing. I mean, anyway, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, this element, the Element 1500 is what, a six-power optic? Yeah. Yeah, six-power magnification. Basically out to a mile, depending on the brown body, dark green trees are hard to reflect. I've easily hit deer, elk, that kind of stuff, to 1,000. No problem. No problem. Yeah, it's no problem. Yeah, no problem. And that's the beauty of it, is like something that we're super proud of is how fast it is. It is really fast. Using a regular battery of CR2, which is common in most all rangefinders, it feels like. Yeah, yeah. And that battery life is, you know, 3,000 ranges. So, 3,000 button pushes on max brightness. You can go further. Yeah.

But on max brightness, that's what we rate it at. I do that in one hunt sometimes. I like having a rangefinder. You're always kind of interested. But, anyway, it is super compact and just an awesome optic and awesome piece of gear. You know, sometimes there's some confusion when I'm talking to guys on the phone selling these, or any rangefinder in general with the ballistic stuff, is once you build the app and have your profile made and Bluetooth it over to that rangefinder, you can essentially put your phone away. You don't, at that point, you don't need your phone anymore. You don't need cell service. You don't need all that stuff. It's all in the rangefinder, and you push the button, and it tells you what MOA to dial to. So, what, give us maybe a little bit of a history on element optics. Maybe just a little bit of background, so, you know, of why it started, how it started,

or maybe some of the other product lines, just brief. Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to talk about that. So, we started back in 2020.

Started in Europe. It's based in Sweden. It's actually the sister company, 2FX Airguns, which we can talk more about. But, we started in 2020, and, you know, obviously it's been really big in the airgun market, being a sister company. And, you know, we took over distribution of it and importation of it last year, and, you know, we really want to bridge that gap because these optics, they can transfer over no problem. That's what they were built for. And that's kind of what we're trying to do here is make products for everyone. So, that's our bridge. This is the bridge we're trying to gap. And, like I said, been in business since 2020, so very new in the optics world. Yep.

That's pretty young for an optics company. Yep. So, we're just trying to make a splash, and that's why we're excited about this product and some of our other rifle scopes. We got scopes made in Japan, which have very unique features to them. And, again, like we're trying to stand out because it's very hard to stand out in this market. There's so many optic companies. Yeah. Some that you don't even know exists that are just companies that… Well, there's… You go to the basement at SHOT Show. There's all kinds of optics. Yeah. Yeah. Just go walk around at SHOT Show, and you'll be amazed. But, yeah, that's what we're trying to do. So, we got scopes for everyone. We got optics for everyone. That's what we're trying to accomplish here is making a splash with something unique. You even got rechargeable rangefinders like this. I don't know if it was a Titan. Yeah, the Titan 3K. Yeah. Yeah.

So, kind of like the big brother to this thing, the Hewitt 1500. Yeah. Kind of crazy. There's just a lot of different options. We kind of chose this option to talk about today specifically. Yeah. And you were able to sell all the different options within the Element brand. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What… I don't know. I was just wondering, how did you get involved with them? How did you start out with them? We started out by selling them as the retail side at Utah Airguns. Okay. And then, you know, they trusted us to do the distribution for the United States. So, now we sell to all the dealers. And, yeah. That's the realm I wanted to jump both feet into is optics. Because that is the opportunity of a lifetime is to get into the industry I already love, which is shooting. Yeah. And that's anything. Shooting anything.

But to be able to do the airgun thing, which is just near and dear to my heart, but also branch out to something else that's near and dear to my heart, which is, you know, rifles, pistols, rangefinders, optics. Optics, I've always been intrigued by ever since, you know, start selling them. Yeah. Well, awesome. Yeah. I guess, do you want to, I mean, Utah Airguns, best airgun company in the world. I mean, do we want to talk about that a little bit?

We can. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to. Yeah. Don't get me going down the airgun rabbit hole. We might be here a while. We can go. Okay. Yeah. We charge by the minute. Yeah. Let's start talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of funny how we got our start. You know, my dad, he's the owner. He's the founder. He had a gas station convenience store for 16 years. Okay. He started selling out there and then, you know, they were like, hey, we need you to get a brick and mortar, the companies that he was selling. And he's like, okay. And then, you know, one thing led to another, sold this gas station. Now we're here. That's awesome. And you're going to have booths for both these things at the expo, we assume? People want to stop by? See you? Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. We have a booth at the expo. Okay. I think we're right around the, are you guys in the same spot as last year? We're not ever leaving that spot. Yeah. Yeah. I don't blame you.

We're right around the corner. We've got a pinch point. Yeah, it is. It's a pinch point. So, all right. So, guys that want to come visit, you sure can at the Hunt Expo. Again, February 13 to 16, HuntExpo.com and Element Optics. Of course, we're dealing in them. And we're buying them. We're using them. Our families are using them. It's just awesome. Great piece of gear. Great product. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've got three or four kids, women and children, using them like crazy. Right, Bronson? They're just so user-friendly. It's hard not to. I mean, like Josh said, it's so user-friendly. A kid can really use it. It's so easy. Oh, yeah. My kids, I was like, I put it to the test. I'm like, you know, they were like, well, what do we do? I'm like, well, they use a thing called an app. Do you know what that is? Oh, yeah. We've got 250 of them on my phone.

The only thing they wanted to know is if it charged them. You know? I don't know. I'm just teasing. But anyway, good stuff. Good stuff. Very user-friendly. They're using them. Actually used them this year on their hunt. So anyway, it's great. Awesome. Do you guys think it was Pollock? No, I don't think so. I appreciate you taking a call from us and stuff and teaching us a little bit and helping us out there. Oh, no. Thank you, guys. Yeah, I really appreciate it. So, yeah, thanks for having your trust in us. I appreciate it. All right. You bet. We'll talk soon. Okay. Sounds good. We'll see you later. All right. You bet. Thanks, Ryan. Yeah, thank you. Bye. Speaking of on their hunts, did Justin have his for his elk hunt and the deer hunt? Or do you remember? Yeah, I don't remember. I mean, the deer hunt for sure. Oh, yeah. Deer hunt for sure. Because that was just a couple weeks ago.

Deer hunt for sure. But, okay. So, full disclosure. I mean, if Dad's on the hunt, you might be using Dad's gun because I know that thing's cherry. Well. And I'm not tracking anything. Okay. A .338 Lapu? What's he got? Yeah, a .338 Rom. Really? Yeah. Dude. Wow. Did you see the size of that deer, though? It took a .338 Rom. Well, it was a nice buck for sure. And it's one of those. Let's back up. Let's back up. We're diving into that. Yeah, we are. Yeah, let's talk. We haven't talked about it. Where do we want to go with this? Let's see. Full disclosure? Partial disclosure? What do you mean? We're just hunting deer in Colorado. I don't know. I don't know. Didn't know. It's a mule deer. There's a lot of ways to tell a story. Well, just said you and your son hunting deer. There we were. And here we go. You're going hunting. 1,400 miles later, in a truck. Okay. No, it was good.

Yeah, we had a great time. It was one of those, like what Josh was saying one day, he's like, man, I got to where I could care less about hunting in Colorado, or just wondering if we really need to be there every single year. Bronson, you and I, since the day we were born, felt like we always needed to be in Colorado. 20 years. Yes. 2004, I think, was my first year. And then you do start questioning, like, man, we haven't had a good hunt in Colorado for how long? And then you go one year, boom, shoot, like, a couple years ago, I shot a big deer. And then you reinvigorate, you know, I'm never leaving it again. Never leaving it again. Always should be doing it forevermore. And then you have three or four dry ones. Two years in a row, haven't seen a deer, we're putting a bullet in the chain before. Pollock, this comes on the heels of Pollock's brother on a hunt that they're on, smashing

a freaking giant. If it would have been put together, 205 typical. Yeah. He was brought up. Right? I don't remember if he got his on a turnback tag, probably. I mean, it's not even burning points. No. It's not a hype. Right. If he had burn points, it was like a two, three-point unit. It's not. And 10 months later, Josh is like, I'm not even sure I need to go. It's even worth it. I have a real short memory. Josh has a real short memory. Well, the last podcast, we lined up his schedule from about August 28th through about October 16th. Yeah. And he was, he had a leash on him at the end of that. And I think. I was tired. But no, it's funny because I remember four years ago, five years ago, we were talking about Colorado. And it was, the buzz then was the dates were late and everybody was waiting for the late dates and the epic storm to bring all the deer.

Like at one of these years, well, it wasn't this year. Next year is going to be that year. Well, it wasn't this year. It's been five or six years. We realized the deer aren't there. Everybody's wondering if the deer are still in the forest. Yes. They're not in the forest. Because we've had, we've had three or four years. Last year was one of those. Some big snow. So not, not statewide in every unit, but there's been several units where there's been that, that last year in that unit where we were at, there was a significant storm. And those first couple of days, it was second season. We didn't hardly see a deer for the first couple of days, but there was a big storm. We actually ran into the game warden there and he said, you know, it's either. Or a three footer, a three footer. I'm sure you did. That's not so nice sometimes. They check everybody.

Either a three foot snow storm or like November 5th, the deer won't be down here. So like you guys are a little early, but the big snow storm, there was three feet and he was right. It was like three days after. Flood. Floods of deer. And so, you know, deer were down and, and there were a few, few big deer killed here and there, but it's not like everybody is going home with a big deer because of the snow There's a lot of attacks. There's been a lot of late rut hunts with a lot of snow pushed down and nobody's had that second, thirds and fourths. The last five year cycle kicked everything later even. And, and, and we knew it was going to be a, you know, a. Get it while you can. It's going to be a slaughter. It's what it felt like. But so having said all that, what made you want to go yourself? And then with Justin. I don't know. I just. The answer is a no brainer. That's the answer. Yeah.

That's the answer. Well. Cause now I am now reinvigorated. But part of this, part of this Adam. Ready to burn points. Okay. But part of this. Pollock between us all. We love to hunt nearly every unit in the state. Yeah. Right. Like there's something about just keeping going and going and going. And the smart thing to do to kill big deer is to hunt the same place over and over and know it intimately. But we're just suckers for grabbing something that's somewhat new or just what's available. The mystique of something that's not been to the lure of it instead of our general season unit that we're disgusted about in Utah times. Oh, I know. And I even hop those a little bit. Yeah. Kids are hunting local ones and I'm hunting them further away. But, you know, we'll hop around a little bit even on those. Well, here's the thing too. And I think Utahns are especially.

Where's the newest, latest, greatest? Yes. And then when you do, you go. Then your grandpa goes. Then your mom goes. We bring our 14,000 layers of relatives. And for five years, Utahns crush a unit. And it's. Teams. Time to look. Teams. Somewhere else. Two states. Wyoming, G&H, and Colorado. There's more Utah plates in those states than all the other states combined. Because you get on. It's true. And you see some Texans in Colorado. Like you'll see. But that's generally around. It's regional. Huddle around Cal Elk Tech. It's regional. Yeah. Pennsylvanians are the Cal Elk. Yeah. Pennsylvanians, Texans. They'll drive 2,000 miles. Californians are generally deer guys. Utah are always deer guys with the. They'll smash them out. We'll smash them on an opportunity basis. Well, it's just funny. You get on any forum and everybody's just like, too many Utahns.

There's too many non-residents in this state. Blah, blah, blah. But we're not afraid to go to your state. Smash your deer. You know. You want us to come to Oregon? Let us know. Yeah. So, anyway. Actually. So. Okay. Say this. I mean, come on. You're not even believable anymore. Stuff that you're a threat. Hey. Seen some things. Take it. Okay. First up, take an air gun to Oregon and kill a 200. I mean, do that before you die. Now that they'll let me pump my own gas, I might go.

I'm just saying. Hey, you and I have been there. We like it. We're fond of that state. Well, I gave you a sheet. I do think there's validity in going to places that aren't necessarily on the map with teams that are killers. Yeah, exactly. You need. And we're always looking for the older age class. So, like, where's the average age? Where are they getting old in spite of game and fish management practices or whatever, right? Whatever it is, right? Or tag numbers or whatever. Yeah. Because, yep. As a game and fish or, you know, some units. Or somebody, they thought there was a win or kill. And so, they slashed tags when in reality it wasn't as bad as they thought. And all of a sudden, you got a few more deer. For two or three years, you carried some over. Yes. It feels like we're fighting that. We're trying to find that. Okay. Did you find that this year in your mind?

Well, I mean, I felt like it was pretty decent. You went somewhere new, I guess. Somewhere new. Two different units this year. Yeah, I learned a couple different units, actually. And just, you know, and that's stressful. Actually, three units, dude, between the elk and two deer. Oh, yeah. And. We didn't talk about that on the bottom. No, we don't need to either because I'm going back. You are? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. I don't think you and I have even talked about that. Nope. Haven't disclosed everything. Mr. Brownson. You haven't disclosed anything. Well. I don't even know if you saw. We're just getting into our early mornings. Apparently. This will all come out. Apparently you saw a bull. Well. I mean, I know you saw a bull. Actually, no. A year or two prior to that, you saw a bull in a different part of Colorado. Yeah. They got you pretty wound up. And it did. And I swear, what did I say?

You drove straight to town. Straight six, 390s plus, maybe 400. Okay. And you drove straight to town. General OTC. Straight to town. About attack. Yeah. Went straightway. What do they call it? Straightway? Straightway to safeway. Straightway to some janky place. And they couldn't print it out right. And I had to show up on a Monday and this and that. And finally got it with Game and Fish. And of course, the bull was long gone. Why are they doing it? It was a waste. Such a waste. $700. But go ask why. What was officially scored? What do you mean? Bull. 390s or something. General area? Net. From that area? Yeah. Think it was the bull? How could there be two? Yeah. No. There's not two. The same year? Yeah. No. Next year. Yeah. Go. When we're done here. Go look. So everybody go look at Boone and Crockett. Wow. The stuff you learn from your own coworkers and friends on a podcast. Well.

Big Elker Kale. Big Elker Scene. Nobody knows about. You know about that one. No. Not about whatever the one possibly this year. Not much to say. But. But you go back. There's an inkling. So anyway. Some of this stuff. One thing leads to another. And we're always looking for that older. Just a little bit older deer. And if you get enough of the older deer. One has the right genetics. And there you are. Yeah. And so anyway. Justin. We had hunted.

Second. We hunted elk deer. We hunted. Or third. Devin and I. And whoever else. You. What season were you on? Everybody was on third. You were on third. Yeah. And then Justin had fourth. And you know. We were kind of excited. But also five day season. New unit. You kind of. You know how you get that feeling. You learn the unit after you're done. And you wish you would have started with what you ended with. Five days. Knowledge wise. Like that. It is. So fast. And it was warm and wonderful. Beautiful weather. That was terrible. Right. For hunting. And so. Anyway. Just started grinding it out. And seeing. Actually seeing deer. But. But grinding it. And. It's a unit. The game warden met. Him. A nice guy. Of course. You know what to expect. And I mean. It was. It was everything. And we fully vetted out. And. And. Had a good. Chat with Justin. And all. You know. Fleshed him out on his rifle.

Making sure everything was in order. Everything's in order. And. And. And. Visited with him. And. He was just like. Yeah. It's just. Do have a few older deer. But. This is a unit. Known for low densities. Yeah. And. It didn't feel like it was that low of densities. I can take you to some places that have some pretty low densities. Yeah. So we were seeing. You know. I would say like. Seven to twenty bucks a day. And. Which. We were feeling pretty good about it. But it was all day grinds. All day. And. Anyway. Just seeing a little bit older age class. I sent you guys a video clip. Two different bucks. I think that was like opening day. Or second day. Yeah. Opening day. Like you almost smashed more than the first. And Justin's like. What do you think dad? What do you think? What do you think? And I'm like. That's a pretty hard. On the tag. Not to shoot for. His goal was one ninety. Okay.

Justin. Nineteen year old kid. He's like. I want a one ninety. Because on the heels of. On the heels of some of the reports that I'd heard. And so. I was not there. I'm like. Hey. Join the club buddy. I was kind of like. Man. They probably ought to be shooting that buck. Yeah. They ought to be shooting. Slapped it up. And that deer will be a next level deer this next year. It was. Those are hard deer to see. Well. Yeah. For. Well. A beautiful. Eighteen year old kid too. Perfect. You know. Oh. Perfect buck. Rutting. Bucks. Yeah. He was rutting. And pretty soon the doe. They were kind of over it. Us being there. And pretty soon up. And off they go. And. Anyway. That was fine. Then went and saw another deer. It was kind of taller than he was wide. Just. I didn't like that look. But a lot of guys like that look. You know. Anyway. I was. I was like. And Justin's like. Dad. And I'm like. Dad.

I don't know. I mean. You said what you wanted. I said. You can kill. Anything you want to kill. That's. You know. Legal. Obviously. You can. I mean. You get to. You get to choose. You know. And he's like. No. Let's keep going. And so. Third day into it. Went to some new country. Talked. Talked to the. Game warden a little bit. And he goes. You know. I just feel like the deer are higher. He says. And it was kind of interesting. His. Theory. Is every. Not every. Well. Eastern plains. No. But. You. These units. Have some migration within the units. Like. The migraine. Yeah. Even non. Like Josh was talking about. Yeah. Something causes them. Whether it's data on the calendar. Storms. Whatever. And he says. You know. We have not had the mass migrations yet. We were seeing deer on the. Low. Low. Low. And so. I didn't. I thought maybe they had migrated. And he says.

I'm just now starting to see the road kills. During the migration. In the migration corridors. Across. Roads. You know. Paved roads or whatever. And he's like. So. I'm starting to see the road kills. Just two days ago. He says. So it's happening right now. We're like. During the fourth. And he goes. I just feel like some of these older bucks. You know. Haven't moved. I haven't moved. They're up high. And I'm thinking. Well there's loads of does down low. Like. And it's four season. I don't know if that's. Cover the numbers. Right. Yeah. Cover the numbers. Right. But. But I don't know if he's totally right. But whatever. What do we have to lose. Let's go up high. Higher. And so we did. And it was pretty awesome. But it took us a minute to get into him. And there was some leapfrogging going along. With. With other trucks. Turned out they're elk hunters. Yeah. I mean. Four season.

You're dealing with hardly any. Any deer tags. So. Anyway. They're just. And they've got backpacks in the back. And I'm like. Oh yeah. Those are cow elk hunters. So.

Jeeps. And chains. And everything. You know. Winches. And. Open cab willies. Yeah. You know. I mean. Just a little. Everything. And so we're leapfrogging. And whatnot. And. Anyway. We start getting into the deer. And I was like. Jeez. You know. They're. Full on rut. Lip curling. I mean. Multiples. And I was like. Man. This is pretty awesome.

Came down.

Came down around a corner. And. Anyway. I was. We both. We both looked up on the hill. Simultaneously. Pretty much. Like. And. I was like. That's a bug. There he is. Yeah. That's a bug. White face. Yeah. Just naked eye. Yeah. Pretty much. I mean. I mean. Pretty much. You know. It was close. 350 yards. Or whatever. 380. And. With does. With does. And you could tell. Like. There was other little bucks. Just. Just. Kind of like a swarm of bees. Just working on a doe. It was. You could tell she was in heat. It was in the air. Yeah. It was in the air. And. Big bodied sucker. Anyway. Jeez. His body was giant. It was. It was. Healthy. Calling. Just. Yes. Dang. We've always talked about that. The healthy deer. Giant. There are bodies. But anyway. And am I seeing what I'm seeing. And Justin. I'm like Justin. I think that's a freaking deer. I think that's 190 inch or plus.

And Justin's looking at me. He goes. That's our deer dad. I'm like. All right. All right. So. So. The 338. Loaded 225 nozzlers. Anyway. Got down. And you're shooting through some brushing. I remember seeing the kill scene. Pretty thick. Jungle. Oaks. PJs. I mean. A lot of people are going to scream. I don't have a call. You know. But any. Dude. It wasn't that far. Oh. And this thing's going 3250. On a 225 grainer. When it looks like somebody was throwing an NFL football. On the side of this deer. The chem trail. That it leaves. Anyway. Justin. Not just a vapor trail. Justin was super. Trying. Trying to get the dead rest. And make it happen. One shot. Of course. He's got me in his ear. Quietly. Hey. Really? I'm sure it's right. Yeah. It's quiet. It's like heavy. You miss your dad. Yeah. You wound him. You're dead. Not so. Anyway. I was just. Hey. Take your time. Make it count. We. Like.

You got to take your time on this one. And he was. If you can picture uphill. And when you're down. You're crouched down. On this set of shooting sticks. You know. You can't. And you. And you don't have a back rest. Or. Or a rest for the rifle. On the butt of your rifle. You're just not. Perfectly dead still. Yeah. You've got that going on. And you're crouched. You know. It's hard to look through a scope. When it's uphill. And so. Anyway. He's like. Dad. Lean up against me. And I've. Slapped this. Phone scope on. Got it. Rolling. And he's like. Lean up against me. Put your foot against me. Well. You remember when people ask you. Like. Hey. Let me rest my rifle off your shoulder. Okay. How much of a dead rest is that? I'm thinking of that the whole time. You're like. This. I'm going to make him move. I'm shaking. Yeah. When your kid's going to shoot something.

You're shaking as much as they are worse. You're looking through your binos. I'm trying to wet your leg against this guy. And I'm trying to make sure. You know. The phone scope's getting the right footage. Because A. When they drop. Or they run off. Or whatever. You want to see what you did to them. And see if he's going to die. Or whatever. How good the shot was. Or wasn't. And so anyway. 14 minutes later. It felt like. Which it wasn't. He. He squeezes the trigger. And this thing just. I mean. Just hammers. He unfolds. Yeah. And it did hit him. Kind of front of the shoulder. In the neck. And just. You know. And it was. He was just. He did the best he could. Under the circumstances. Felt good about it. Justin's super calm. Just got a great personality for. Making that happen. Anyway. Long story short. He. He. Clambers up there. And I've got to guide him in. Thicker. Thicker than crap oak.

Guide him into it. He calls me. And I'm like. What do you think? And he goes. Dude. He's freaking a good buck. You know. That's what he said. Yeah. He's like. I don't know what to think. He was kind of breathless. Get up here. Yeah. Get up here. You know. And of course. I'm trying to figure out the closest route. And on and on. Because you got to pack them out. But. It was kind of fun. We just had. It was just one of those moments like. I don't. It could. I could. I would give up shooting a 205 210 buck for him shooting that book. Like it was just. As a dad. I mean. Geez. They're awesome. And he just had that kind of a year. Justin's. Just had a great year. Luckily. He had the right deer tag. None of the other kids. Could go. They. You know. Whether it's school. Mostly school. School. Work. You know. Sean was working heavy. He had. Limited time this year. And so. Justin. He had.

Just the right schedule. He had an 11% draw on his elk. Ended up lucking out. And getting that tag. Which was somewhat. Of a shoe in from the year before. But then there's this. Onslaught of applicants. For some reason. An onslaught could be. 10 new applicants. With the right point levels. And it just. Edges him out. I thought he would have been edged out. He wasn't. Killed an archery bullet. 62 yards. Spot and stalked him. Just. Another huge. Proud dad moment there. And so. Anyway. And. And it just reminded you. There are big. Mature. Blocky bodied deer. Yeah. On the landscape. Here and there. Even. Even as tough as it is. Compared to what we used to have. Now I'm all back in. There. Got me there every year. And 10 months from now. Paul could be like. I don't even know. If I need to be in Colorado.

They just turned 15. More wolf of those. In that state. Yeah. Right. So. Well. That's awesome story. Yeah. I love those moments. Like. It doesn't matter if it's a 194. Whatever the buck was. Or just a shooter animal. When you're with your kids. Oh. Especially as we've seen them progress. From 10, 12 year olds. Up to. You know. Teenagers now. You know. Josh. You've got. Mid-age teenagers. Ours. Yeah. Jason. I was a little bit older. Her 20s. There's. Excitement. So I can picture Jason's cab of his truck. It was not calm there. It was not calm. And. And. And as far as. Coming out. Quickly. We won the Super Bowl. And didn't come off that high for a solid week. Yeah. Exactly. You know. After this kill. And after the elk kill. Yeah. Exactly. So. Hook set deep on Justin. He's. I mean. It just. When you have those. And I think it goes back to having those world class experiences.

You've got to have one once in a while. Yeah. You can't hunt pork and horns your whole life. Like. You. Like you said. If. Or. And. You know. We've talked about in the past. Is if. If all you have is just. If you're not seeing bucks. You take kids out there. How many days in a row can you take a kid hunting. And not see. Even. Just a small four point. Yeah. Or a three by four. Whatever. If you're not seeing that. Yeah. When are they. At some point. Going to be like. Eh. I don't have to go today. I really don't believe the contention of just giving them a tag is enough to get them hooked on hunting. No. It's really not. It's not. And if that's the case. They don't have to have a poncegon experience. We've got. We're not talking about that. You've just. You've got cow tags for that. You've got. You can get. I mean. You got. All that opportunity in the world. You know. For stuff like that.

So. We're talking about. Have a little bit of. Yeah. Rush of adrenaline. Excitement. Not that you don't get that on your first buck or forked horns or stuff like that. There's nothing against that for young hunters doing that. Or old hunters. I don't really care. But. At some point. You'd like to. Know that. That all of the. Getting up in the. You know. Freezing your butt off. Getting up early. Morning after morning. You know. Things like that. Following your dad. Just over this next bend. You know. The next ridge. I mean. You'd like to know there's something. Maybe. You know. A little bit. A little bit special. Well. It's. There's. We've all. We've all walked up on some special animals. And. Whether it was us that killed him. Or we were with somebody. Or whatever. But. There's nothing like. Walking up on. A special animal. And I know. Like when I killed my bull years ago. Just.

I don't know. It was just some weird feelings that I thought. I wish. Everybody in the world. Could have this. Same. Feeling of walking up on. And I guess that's. That's why. You know. We're obviously here. We're fairly trophy minded. And it's not because. I need to kill something big. I need to have something for the gram. Or whatever. But just. The feelings of a couple. Defining moments in my life. When walking up on a giant deer. My dad killed. Bulleye killed. Or whatever. I was just like. Man. I wish. Everybody that hunts. Could feel that. Feel that feeling of walking up. And just seeing. A giant. Mature. Whatever it is. You're hunting. Whatever. Just laying there. I don't care what it is. Big antelope. Yes. Exactly. It doesn't matter. Just that special shock and awe. And we all. We eat them all. Like we're feeding families. Yes. We've raised on this.

We're talking about this meat era we went through. What? Five years ago. I mean. Gag me. We've eaten some mini freaking deer and elk. And it was. It was actually a lifestyle. It wasn't something you talked about. It's all we did. You didn't have to worry about it. We didn't buy beef. We ate everything. Yeah. You didn't need to talk about it. No. You were raised on it. It was a given. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. This wasn't a new thing. And the whole industry was acting like eating meat and pure meat and organic meat and all this stuff was a new thing. Yeah. It wasn't even a new thing. So. So it wasn't that we didn't appreciate it. We just. It was just what you did. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so. Anyway. But those experiences are what keep us hooked. Family experiences. Things like that. Let's just talk to Justin. Oh. Let's. Let's. I'm just thinking. Let's just. Now. Now. Okay.

Why don't you mute Jason's mic? Let him tell the story. Okay. I don't mind. I'll be muted. But I reserve the right for final editing.

So. I will. I'm going to shut. I'm going to shut my mouth. I just want to know. Just. Just ask him. Say. I just want to. You feel a little spoiled. What other 19 year olds killed him? I just want to. 194 inch typical or a 370 bull with a bow. Just. I want him to understand the gravity. How cool that is. Oh. And see if he does. We'll. We'll mute you after you ask him that.

Is he going to know who's calling? Yeah. Okay. I think so. I think he's got your number saved. Yeah. Hopefully he answers. Yeah. I don't remember him and Sean saved you one day when you were a turkey hunt with some girl. Hold up. Oh. Hey. Yeah. Good point. Josh just brought up the turkey hunt with Logan having a girl out in the hills. Yeah. When you wasn't. Is that when you had to rescue him, Justin? Logan? I got out by myself. They just showed up at poor time. But wasn't the story you and Sean were coming down the hill. You stopped to listen for a gobble and you heard what you thought was a female crying. And you actually rounded the bend and it was Logan crying in the road. And the girl was out digging. His date was digging and Logan was in the road crying. I love it. Is that what the story was, right? That's about what it was. Yeah. That's about what it was. Come on.

The real story is embarrassing enough as it is. You don't have to lie about it. No, we just got done talking, Justin, about the heck of a year you had. The elk. But most detailed, we talked about your buck in Colorado. So, a couple things. Your dad. Wait, Justin. What are you doing? I told you he couldn't do it. He can't stay quiet. I'm going to be quiet. Your dad said he was going to mute his mic and let you tell the story. But he had final edit. Justin, you've got to shut the door.

Put your seatbelt on. Put your seatbelt on, son. Oh, cool. I'm getting in the car. Okay. All right. Okay. I am going to mute my mic. Go ahead, boys. Take it away. Well, we're just. Your dad thought it would be fun to call you. We just got done. He was telling the story. We hadn't done it yet on the podcast about your awesome buck in Colorado. And, you know, we're just talking about that moment. I think it was day three or four. And you finally went a little bit higher, rounded a bend, and boom. It's a no-brainer. You've got to shoot something. Take us to that moment. What was that moment like? Took some videos of the buck before we actually got on him. And then we definitely decided that he was the one. And so we grabbed the gun and we hiked up the hill off the road. And so we get up on the hill. And it was in a whole bunch of oak brush.

And so we're trying to shoot through all this brush. The buck's moving around. And he disappears. He comes back out. He disappears. Comes back out. And finally we get him. He's stopped. And we're shooting through all this oak brush and stuff. But we get a good shot on him. And I lay down. And I'm breathing hard from getting out of the truck and hiking up the hill. So I have to calm myself down and wait a couple minutes. And he's just being really chill about it. And just kind of sitting there and waiting for me to shoot. But it turned out good. So after a couple minutes I finally calmed down. Made a really good shot on him. And he just tumbled over. Didn't go nowhere. It was awesome. Awesome. And then he said. His version of the story I might add. He said. You walked up to him by yourself. And what did you say? What was that walking up to him all by yourself?

Your dad was back there kind of giving you instructions. Where he's going to be or whatever. What was that like? Yeah. Walking up on him. Yeah. So through the oak brush you couldn't tell exactly where he was. If we were both going to walk up to him. So I had to walk up to him. My dad had me on the phone instructing me where to go. But yeah. I walked up to him. And we'd guessed that he was right around 190. And I wasn't disappointed when I walked up to him. I knew that we guessed probably right. And we hit it on the money. He scored 193. We taped him out right when we got to him. So it was awesome. Really hard. Really hard to keep quiet. That's pretty much just what you said. Exactly. Yeah. What did he do wrong? No. Nothing. 193 and change. Oh, geez. 31 incher. I'm definitely jealous, Justin. That's a stuck deal. 31 and a half incher. No. I mean, Justin just killed it.

Justin's just got a great demeanor about him when it comes to killing stuff. Just calm and collected. Yeah. I don't have that. I get wound up. Took a minute. Took a minute. Remember, Justin? Just took a minute when, I mean, it was probably three minutes of him standing there before we could get you. You just didn't have a good rest. You had to lean up against you on your back. Yeah. I was shooting uphill. And I was kind of kneeled down. It wasn't really good. I had to get a little above the brush. So I was kind of kneeled down. And I was shooting uphill. So I was shaking from trying to hold myself on uphill slant. So my dad had to get behind me and used him as a backrest kind of. It was good. But it did take a minute. Did it. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And then you feel a little spoiled. I just, you know, I mean, what kind of night? He's not even 20 years old.

Smashes a 370 bull with a bow. How many out there listening to this has killed a 370 bull with a bow? I mean, on a draw tag. Yeah. How many of us in this room? Exactly. I mean, it's just, you know. Anyway, you've had a heck of a year, Justin. Oh, yeah. I've been definitely spoiled. Definitely spoiled. I cannot argue with that at all. But he earned, like, you know, he spent a lot of time hunting on the elk. Scouted. You ran cameras. I ran cameras for a month. Yeah. I ran cameras all the way through July. Yeah. Good answer. Your dad likes that answer. July 31st, it came down. We have new rules. And I'm like, Justin, you better not forget a camera. You know how stressful it is as a dad? You own Epic Outdoors or part owner of Epic Outdoors. You got kids putting cameras up in random places at midnight. Better get them all. Running on Mountain Dew and, you know, Red Bull fumes.

You know what I mean? That's right. Who knows if you put a pin in your phone or Onyx. Oh, I got them on. I said, no, have you got them all? Count them. I had two separate lists. I had all the cameras on Onyx, and I also made a notes list of all the cameras. I checked them both off. Well, that was probably because I can't imagine somebody would make you check it less twice. But that probably sounds serious. That's right. That's right. I was still nervous. We'd drive up to Waterholes and I'm like, where was your camera on this one? Oh, yeah. Dad, I forgot it's in that brush right now. Yeah. I forgot it's set up. Let's go look at it, Dad. No, none of that happened, huh, Justin? It's good. Just solid. A lot of effort on your part. It was proud moments here this year. It was awesome. It was good. It was. It was awesome. Are you hooked for life? Am I hooked for life? Yeah.

You going to hunt for life? He probably was even before this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The hook's deep with both barbs buried. Yeah. That's right. 380 and 200's next. Oh, wow. Good luck, Jason. Okay, now it sounds like Logie Bear here.

Hey, looking at your deer pitch, you got that go-to. You still got that thing for a day or two more? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. God. Sorry, I don't mean to rain on the parade, but it looks pretty good in that kill pick.

I appreciate it. Yeah, all right. Well, anything else? Dad, does he? Oh, just awesome. Does storytelling work? Just awesome. Getting him mounted. Of course, Mom. What? It doesn't fit. Well, I mean, you can run out of room. You got a bull to mount. Well, deer. So, we settled in on a Euro on that. Deer are also a lot smaller. But then the deer, you know. They fit in places. Elk are hard. Oh, Mom. She's good. She's like, are we mounting the deer? Come on. Yeah. I've got questions. It is true. It's a deer. You mount an elk that early in your life, wherever you're going to live throughout your life, Justin. College. Like, there's only a couple places in most houses that an elk would even fit. I know. And so, if you claim that spot as a 19-year-old, you pretty much aren't mounting many other elk. No. Oh, yeah. So, anyway. I know. But deer, yeah. You can fit.

Well, it's like, Ty's killed some good bucks. I mean, you know. Yeah. I've got one mounted. Yeah. The elk are just, they're a year old. Yeah. But anyway. Well, thanks, Justin. Are you still there? Yep. Yep. Okay. All right. Well, thanks for clearing the air on a few things. Good times. Good times. Of course. Okay. We'll see you guys. Talk to you later. Bye. Bye. Anyway. Good stuff. I'd say the two-step authentication was about 95%. I don't think there was much different, but, man, he just couldn't stay on mute, Logan. Couldn't do it. We need to go through the text log beforehand and say, okay, do say this, don't say that. No, it was none of that. Because he didn't even know. We didn't even. I didn't even know we were talking about that. Yeah, he called it from Logan's phone. But it doesn't matter. You're trying to. You've got.

I've got a Harris bipod, old janky stuff I can't get away from, the old classics, right? Spring. Yeah. You know. And sure enough. Anyway, you're up above some of the brush in front, right in front of you. But I don't know. It was awesome. So another reason you just, you do all, we're doing all we do. We're out experiencing this stuff and trying to find the next best thing, which, of course, all this passes on to Epic members. Yeah. It's the time of year. It's the time of year if you're not a member, you're a listener, it's the time of year to join. You get all the magazines, the January magazines at the printer, the e-mags live. And, you know, this day and age, you know, just good information, timely information. You know, it's worth the price of it, not to mention all the other benefits, you know, like optics discounts and member experience lists and outfit recommendations, anything

like that once you do get a tag. The member experience list helps. We talked about this five-day season. Wish you knew at the beginning of the hunt what you knew after. I think that member experience list helps that. Oh, yeah. You, yeah, it doesn't completely give you five days in a unit, but you can really save two or three days on a unit without wasting time on something you thought e-scouting looked really good. And everybody says, no, that's way too, way, way, way too high on the season you're going there for. Yeah. Or whatever. Vice versa. Yeah. So, anyway. That kind of thing. So, anyway, well, just to throw a little shout out to Thompson Long Range, Mark Thompson, Scotty Thompson, two of the coolest dudes in the world, really have a great relationship with those guys, and they were kind of the first, and I've talked about it before, first

introduction to long-range shooting clearback in 2000. I want to say four or five. I mean, it was not, it may have been just a little bit later than that, but I just remember I shot my first, you know, 2003 was a big year for me. Shot a great buck, but then, and I didn't have this setup. And then after that, we had that setup. Chief. I shot Chief with their gun. So, anyway, they specialize in having Weatherby rifles, the best, considered to be the best out-of-the-box guns there are, and then they mount a scope with you, you're watching, you're assembling your gun right before your eyes, you basically shoot it close range indoors, and then you go out to the hills and shoot their course the next day, and you're shooting a thousand yards with this rifle, and you walk away with it. Also, if you're just to order a gun and get things squared away, their touting rifles will

ship within two weeks. Yep. And you're shooting a thousand yards. Yep. Awesome. Very simple. Setup. I've got one of their setups. In fact, maybe I need to use that gun again. Yeah. I'm saying that about a lot of guns that I have, but I just want to shoot someone, everything. I love this subject. I'm so glad you brought this up. Pollock. I'm going to use... We're going to vet this one out. What can you use? I'm a little nervous for what 2025 is going to look like for him, because there's a lot of guns and promises, a lot of death, wished upon, all kinds of things. I'm going to kill some stuff. Trust me. We love... We talk about hunting predators with thermoscopes on rifles. Sells that system, basically, then gets into that system within days. I did get into that system. I would... All but did. All but did. No. Pollock. No, it's like... Wyatt. Wyatt is the one that's on that bat.

Wyatt has been participating in that with friends. Which got you going. And it just kind of gets you excited for a minute. It's contagious in the office. Well, at this time of year, you're back. You get new toys. We talked about these Element rangefinders. You talk about a new scope that Zeiss is coming out with. We talked about it a week or two ago. So I got two of those. We talked about six hour in the stabilized 18s. Yeah. Who doesn't need a pair of those? I know. Exactly. We're all being in a pair. I'm buying one. Exactly. Josh is doing something for the gram today on those. And you watch it and you're like, who doesn't need that? Everyone needs it. So it's like... When are you not in a truck and you just want to throw them up and have them be stabilized and chill and see what you're looking at? And want something a little more than 10 power but don't want to put a spotting scope on a

windmill mount. There you go. And you're in a blind, a whitetail blind, Josh. Now we know. You're getting one. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. So that's a lot of what this is, Jason. They're not threats of... I'm not making threats to kill stuff with an air gun. I think it's a promise. A 200-inch with an air gun. Okay. That's a threat. I'm glad. I'm glad that permits are going to be increased in Utah so he can... Always have a tag in his pocket. Yes. He can indulge. Tag in his pocket. Hey, unless you have a tag, there's no hope. I got one of those in Utah for life. You're one of those guys. Those guys try to find it from my cold, dead hands. You're the enemy of children.

Wish you guys would just die. Trust me. I'm over halfway there. Every year there's less of them. Yeah. That's right. We're just teasing. Inside stuff. Lifetime license is kind of a contentious topic here in Utah. But nevertheless, moving right along. Thompson Long Range. Give them a holler. Just incredible. ThompsonLongRange.com. 435-713-4248. 435-713-4248. And Mark, he's a killer. But Scotty, I don't know. He's raised a deer-killing crazy kid, man. That kid's killed some big deer. And he's done it in multiple states. He's hunting Colorado heavy, Wyoming, and Utah. Idaho. So anyway, just got a lot of knowledge right there. Great guys. Friends in the industry. Definitely should be supporting them. And you can affordably get into an incredible rifle. If you're looking for an excuse to get one, which we all are, always looking for another rifle. It's like food storage.

You can't have enough of it. All right. You know, I had a guy the other day call me trying to make a plan for his Utah elk points this year. Oh, yeah. And it's never too hard. You taught a geesteria. I would call you in November. Did you steer him to your backyard? He gave me some options. And my response was, what flavor of ice cream do you want? I don't know. I mean, you're touting a couple of the best units in the state. So I don't know. Just go hunt. Flip a coin. They're both awesome. Just go hunt. But one of his big things is he's from extremely far northern part of Utah. And we're down here on the units he was talking about are extremely opposite end of the state. So northeast and southwest. And one of the things he was talking about was cell cams and how, for him, he was talking about how well they. Yeah.

That was one of the things he was talking about was how good the cell service is in some of these areas. You don't think that that would be kind of maybe something you think about. Not now that you have a satellite phone. But, you know, we were talking about it. And I told him, yeah, if you get X amount of trail cameras and set them up, because basically he has a two-month season now. So you have two months. Even if you put up enough cameras and paid $200 to have these cell cams out there, that's less money than what it would be for him to have to drive down here to check them in one trip. One trip. Yeah. You know. It's a no-brainer. So, yeah, very much. Call it a grand. Yeah. You're saving money. Yeah. And so he's going to try and come down to do some glassing and scouting that way. But he wants to use some trail cameras to be able to see what's out there, the bulls

and antler growth and some of that kind of stuff. And these cameras, you know, cellular cams you would think are way expensive, way more than a regular camera. They're just as cheap and cheaper than a regular camera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The camera itself is really not any different. You obviously, depending on how many cameras you get, you know, when you're up and all that, that your monthly service changes. Daisy changes fees to get that. Exactly. Like I tell my wife, yes, this one costs $20 to be set up unlimited. And everyone there after is fine. But after that, they actually get reduced in price. So it's actually cheaper for me to run more. So I'm bundling the more the merrier. Yes. Yes. So I actually save money by adding more cameras. The bundle ruski. I can see where you and your wife's problems arise. Wow. Yeah. Don't pick those fights. I wouldn't pick them. For that reason, I'm out.

Definitely for scouting season coming up, we're going to get in a whole bunch of trail cameras, cell cams. The new cell cams are awesome. Any model that Stealth Cam's coming out with now for their cellular cameras, both have like an AT&T and Verizon chip in them. So you don't have to worry about Verizon or AT&T anymore. You just go slap a camera up. And I've noticed, I feel like last year with those cameras, I feel like I get better service. I think it's just strictly because the camera's picking which service is best to send to me. So Logan's shaking your head over there. You were running those last year. We had. I did. Yeah. We tried to put you on the, you know. We challenged Beaver County to find his camera. Yeah. They did. They did. That wasn't even a fair fight, though. That wasn't. I mean, in Beaver County, even the people that don't even care about it in Beaver County

have enough skills. They watched him set it up. Their cell cams. They have enough skills. They can find it. With 200 people in the town, they can watch me leave my parents' house to where I hang the camera and come back with relative ease. But no, I put both those cameras in places that I never got service with other cell cameras. Really? The dual. Really? Yeah. Picked up service just like that. Really? Yeah. That's a nice thing. I don't know if that was. Oh, man. For that reason. That would make a difference. Oh, man. Josh, you said the same thing. Maybe just you're flirting with a bar to two bars just to try to make a picture and a send work. It's like the old. You guys remember the old phones? You folded the little keyboard thing down and then you pulled up the antenna to the extent that. What do you mean? Jason and I, we used those for 15 years. Yeah.

But these cameras, they have an external antenna and I think that helps with getting a little better service than your old iPhone. You couldn't beat the service those phones got. No. Now we're janking around. When I was a biologist. Buying boosters. Josh, did you ever use the bricks that stayed in your phone? No, I missed that. Those big five-watt bricks, cell phones in your truck. They were awesome. You felt cool. They were awesome. They were strong. They were three-watt, five-watt. They'd sit right there. I'd put it right in the center, down the floorboard. Were you shifted into four-wheel drive? I was a big deal. I had 30 minutes a month.

Jeez. And no texting. That's a license to go get lost. I can get out of any pins. Yeah. No. No. Anyway. Well, anyway, yeah. Keep us in mind, I guess. We've got some in stock now, but obviously every year we stock up in the spring of the year, too. And that's kind of what we do. Just so you know, we've said it before, we kind of just do a big stock now with a lot of these seasons and such that there are. We do a great big stock up in the spring and sell a lot of those cameras over the course of the spring and summer. So don't hesitate then if you get a tag or anticipate you're getting a tag. When we get those, you know, give us a call and get them. Get as many as you need. And they are affordable, you know. Yeah. Let's call it $100, $100 and a quarter, whatever you end up being, depending on the model. Yeah. You know, I don't know.

You could spend more than that, depending on where you get them, obviously, and the model you get, and if it's the brand new version and 14 other layers of whatever. But generally speaking, Josh, you're kind of the camera king the way I see it. And that you love all the gimmicks and gadgets, and they've got new solar panels that are next level. Yeah. Yeah. Those are for some of those remote places that you don't have to go put batteries in. Because some of these are three hours one-way, Jason. Yes. And I think you know a few of those types of things. Yes. One-way drive to put batteries in. Yeah. And cell cameras, they can go through batteries faster, depending on how many photos you're taking and transmitting and all that. So. Yep. Anyway. You've had that too, Bronson, out there in the desert. Oh, yeah. Exactly. On this last year. Exactly.

You were making trips just to check on a couple of cameras on one. Yeah. You know. If you label Josh as the king of gadgets. Josh, Logan. What would we label Jason the king as? Okay. And this is going to go to Bronson, too. So go ahead. Just kind of. It was a fun little game I thought we could play. By the way, final edits are mine.

There's one more editor after you. The king of trucks. Trucks. Oh, my. He's. He's. For all of you. Just got an engine done. We didn't talk about that. No, we didn't. Because it's a sore. But Justin and Sean Trucks is going to be used by the old man, Carter. Sure. So we talked about Justin doing his own truck hammer work and all of his own scouting, right? In a particular 98 Tacoma, right? In the middle of nowhere. Out screwing around. Who knows? And ended up blowing the motor, right? And so anyway, just kept running it. If you lose service for three hours and you lose your snap streak, what do you kids call it? That's bad news. Yeah, exactly. You lost the streak. You lose a snap streak. You snap every single day at the certain time. Does this have to do with Snapchat? Yeah. It's a streak. You have to Snapchat people days in a row. You know, kids, what was streaking when we were kids?

Well, that meant a lot. These kids are just texting each other. That's a snap. Really? That's a streak. So it's kind of like the loyalty point in Arizona. That's right. For five straight years, you have to streak every day. That's right. And Snapchat for people to know you're even alive. Yep. Yep. Really? That's a thing. These kids like people to know where they're at. You and I are trying to hide. I was sitting there the other day watching Sadie and Judson keep their snap streak going. And I'm like, you just took a picture of the floor and sent it. Yeah. It's the same. Really? They'll just take a picture of the ceiling. Usually nothing. Just to say you did. Do you have to have your locations on? Because I think Snapchat has that. You could. Kids that are out finding sheds are leaving their locations on. Snapping a pick. Here's a big shed.

I mean, it's kind of like that Tim McGraw song, you know, back when a hoe was a hoe and crack was, you know, what you're doing. This thing's coming south. You were cracking jokes. Okay. When you streaked, it was just somebody that ran on a football field. It was on the quad. You don't streak it. Yeah. That's all you did. It wasn't this, you know, taking a picture of a floor and saying, hey, I'm alive. Yeah. No. I'm alive again. How are you today? You know. Yeah. I'm in service. Jeez. Come find me. I'm finding big sheds. My locations are on. It just drives me crazy. But anyway, my kids are careful with that. Do you take a picture of the floor and say, guess where I'm at? Do you even know? Is it just blank picture? No. And the girls leave their, what, locations on so everybody knows, right? Yep. I mean. What is that? So come find me? Come hunt me down? No. This is where I'm at.

That's kind of, is that an invitation, Logan? It's part of the. It's not. Part of the dating. It's part. No. Heck no. Really? You don't just go. You can't just go track down people. Really? You're a creeper if you do? Yeah. I would say. Why else? That's got to be a multi-generational thing. Okay. No. I'm just asking the question. Have you ever been a creeper, Logan? No. I'm not the best Snapchat user. How much results would you put your locations on a tile floor picture? There's only one. Well, it's on. Your locations are just on. You can turn it off. Yeah, it's like find my iPhone. You can turn it off. It's a setting. Yeah. Yeah. But why, okay. Yeah. I guess you do it because I've seen that little map and it's got little emojis and heads all over the world. They love to know where all my friends are. Yeah. Friends. Yeah. So anyway, they crank the truck, which I'm not blaming them.

You know. Pretty soon it's running like a diesel. They're engulfed in smoke. They take a video clip. But anyway, then they're. Then they're done. Well, so anyway, now. That truck's running. No. Well. Well. You know. I had to work the magic from a blind in the middle of nowhere on a white-tailed blind and get an engine coming and 14 layers later, I've got a truck that's running out in the parking lot. Is it for sale? No. Got to get some juice out of it after the. Well, that's going to be a little truck, camera truck, a little. That's your Jason's truck of the year. You're not going to know who's driving it. So what's weird is you've got a janky old truck that I don't want anybody driving. I'd rather have him drive my brand new truck. Because I want to keep that truck, that clutch cherry. The 1998 cherry. Cherry. Clutch cherry. I don't want that clutch to be abused. I mean, geez.

Are we weird or what? It's funny, the things that you're raised with. I'm going to be looking for a. Taking care of a clutch. You know, letting it out properly. Not riding it. All of the things. I'm going to be looking for a truck here. Logan, have you been. Do you know how to drive a clutch? I learned how to drive on a stick. Did you? Yeah. Were you taught all of those things? Yes. Loudly, but yes. Your dad was pretty working you over by. Well, that thing was a little tiny four banger and way too big of a body. So you didn't do it right and it died. Every time. Kill it. Yeah. Every time. No matter what speed. No matter what gear. You can kill that thing by just breathing. He still figured out which. What RPM at every gear you could get again without hitting the clutch. I guarantee you. Yeah, exactly. Those were fun. I had vehicles like that when I was a kid. You just knew you hit that.

You just shove it from second to third right there. It's just kind of fun. Yeah. It is. So anyway. And all new fluids and all the gearboxes. Anyway. Now I'm partial to it. He's so attached to it. He'll never let it go. And that thing needs a carpet kit. He needs new seats. I mean, that thing's hammered. Okay. So. You're going to rhino line it on the outside. I might even go wash it tonight. I don't know. All right. Okay. Well. Fun stuff. Whatever. The joys of families. I think we're done. Yeah. Christmas. So let's wish everybody Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Maybe even Happy New Year. I don't know if we'll do another one of these before then we might next week. Maybe. Maybe a Monday or a Thursday. Depends on how. Joyous. We'll be joyous. Yeah. Just depends on if we got something else better. We're set up for a good year. We're going to have a good time. Absolutely. Tags for everybody.

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