EP 351: Game Processing and New Knives with Will Morgan of Outdoor Edge

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, John Peterson. Of course we got the Viking. Josh, how are you? Good. Sorry, we're settling on your name a little bit. His new Halloween costume was just, you know, engulfs the back pages of the recent magazine. Yeah, everybody go check out the back page. Very creative advertising. Probably a waste of a page, John. What do you think? Whatever. Waste of a page. I mean, what's the Viking got to say? I want to have it known that I had nothing to do with that, that it was a surprise to me. It was a surprise. We got a little advertising money out of the state of Minnesota. So much of a surprise for two magazines. Part of my job here is to check these said magazines before they get viewed by the public. You caught it. There was a blank cover. Yeah, and I was proud of myself. I was like, why is there no cover? We just told you don't worry about it, John.

This appears to be a problem. It won't go blank. Yeah, this appears to be a problem. Have you guys seen it? And you were just like, ah, no, I wouldn't worry about it. And then the second one came out, and I was like, again, there's no back cover. Is anybody checking this? And so I finally just said, fine. My job is done. I have said my concerns. I am clocking out and rolling your bell. I moved on. They know that I had a concern about the back cover. But I go back to checking applications. Yes. So it was pretty fun when we got the magazine. I made an ad, and it's got Josh as a Viking using the new Max tripod. John, you did a whole metal art. Yeah, and then I did a big, huge metal poster and put it outside of his office. It was pretty fun. He went all out. A little surprise. So whether you like it or not. And then the tornado, of course, that was Archibald's wonderful little addition.

Here's this tornado brewing in the background with sturdy legs. It's still going to glass that big bowl. Can I have a request in the next one? Put a little lawn sign by the tornado that says, pray for Enoch.

Oh, Jesus. Fitz Devon's. Because he gets tornadoes at his house a lot. He does. We always have to pray for Enoch. Everything bad happens. Everything bad that happens in Enoch happens at his place. At Devon's house, yeah. Like raindrops start to hit the roof, and it's. Oh, it's already hailed on him. The first thing it said, everybody pray for Enoch. Everybody pray for Enoch. Everybody's gun shy. Justifiably so. Justifiably so. A couple summers ago. Yeah, and he's got a basement. Probably be full of water before it's over. All right. What else? Anyway, yeah. So that Viking ad does talk about our Max tripod. Yeah, and I think it communicates pretty good how it's just freaking stable and tough. It is awesome. Yeah. I love that tripod. I don't know what it communicates, actually. It's built to be put on the bow of a ship. What is it? And run across the Atlantic Ocean.

Bronson and I have known of John's creativity over the course of 25 years. Or plus, 30 maybe. And once in a while it comes out, and you either just accept it and you go with it, or you're going to be surprised at the most in opportunity. And you're just, but at the same time, you're just grateful it's not you. I'm grateful I'm not the subject. I'll be the chubby Viking. We all were with the scientists. At least a Viking is a definite masculine type creep. It's very cruel. And I do think John learned a lesson. He did come and run it by us. He did. The mad scientist ad. Yeah, that was all him. That was awesome. We got more comments on the mad scientist ad. That was the first surprise. Did it turn into money? Yeah, absolutely. We sold out. Bumped the brakes. We sold out of those tripods. We would have anyway. When you have 10 of them. Not as fast.

When you have 10 of them, you're going to sell. Oh, whatever. I'm just teasing. We did sell hundreds. We did. But I don't know. So advertising may or may not have anything to do with it. Advertising is everything. You guys are just lucky. I dial it back about 50% of what my creativity is. Trust me. If you're dialing it back, I appreciate it. I believe you. I don't even question that. He's dialing it back. He works on stuff. He's capable of a whole lot more. Sometimes we're like, Adam and I are looking at each other. What do you think John's doing today? I mean, you know, if you've seen Josh's Valentine's Day poster for his wife. Him as a Viking. That was the Viking with a razor. Right? Was it shaved? Oh, yeah. You were shaved down. I mean, that had to take four or five razors. That's a nice segue for our podcast today, by the way. Oh, razors. All right. Dive into it. Razor Max. Yeah.

Really? I guess. Really? Yeah. What are we going to talk about today, John? We are going to talk about Outdoor Edge knives. The razor. The razor. Yeah. HDX and among many other things. The new APX is phenomenal. HDX. APX. They have all kinds of models. He's taken. They've taken kind of the pet peeves of what to do with the razor blades, you know, and how to manage those. Where to store them. Where to store them and solved it. I mean, I build a little pouch and put it in my pack. And they're specifically for. You can build pouches. Yeah. I mean. You're like a Cordura grade type sewing machine. I built a fanny pack for specific. You built a fanny pack? Yeah. Dude. I mean. Dude. I thought everything was graphic. You can turn graphics into real life projects. Let's just list John's strengths, okay? And abilities. He's a sewer. What do you call those people? Seamstress. Seamstress.

I don't know if it's a seamstress. John probably made wedding dresses. A tailor. You probably have. I've made a dress before, yes. What? It was on a dare. What do you mean? Someone dared me that I couldn't do it. Did you guess to say that? Did you know that? No. I just know he can do anything. I was in college. John. Have you or not done lots of body work on vehicles? Yes. Transformed vehicles. Yeah. Rebuilt motors. Yes. Rebuilt camp trailers. He impressed every single one of my roommates. With what? When I got those new tires on. They were just a little bit too big. And they were hitting my air dam under my truck. And so he comes out. Take a sawzall. He comes out with a sawzall. And he's marking stuff. And it works perfect. I can turn my wheels all the way. Either way. I'm like. And my roommate looks at me and he's like, that's your boss? And I was like, yeah.

And he's like, he's so cool.

I'm like, fenders? I mean, stuff rubbing, I can take care of that. The word graphic designer usually means nothing leaves the computer screen. John, have you had remote controlled airplanes? Yes. Okay. Have you carved fish out of wood? Yes. Okay. Let's see. Have you trapped skunks?

Very recently. Very recently. Have you trapped foxes? Yes. Yes. Yes. Is that self-taught? Yeah. Did you buy leg holds the other day for the neighborhood cats? I did. I have not used them. I'm not going to. I had second thoughts. I dialed it back 50%. The skunk dialed it way back. Yeah. Let's put it this way. Yeah. If you live. What have I missed? If you live south of Highway 56 in Cedar and you've smelled the skunk, you now know where it came from. Have you replaced a fridge in a camp trailer? Yes. Have you replaced a heater in a camp trailer? Yes. Have you done the entire plumbing? Yes.

Did you get an eye full of what was in the plumbing? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. My son. He bought a used camp trailer. I swear it was like a mouse cemetery. It was so bad. So bad. Yeah. Anyway, that one pretty much gutted and replaced everything. John's a handy. He's a handy. John, have you built a website? Yes. Yeah. Of course. Many, many, many of those. You're the most amazing graphic designer. Yeah. The good Lord ever made. He is AI. All images get routed through. He's the AI checker. Graphic designers usually just say, here it is. And they turn it over to a machinist, an engineer, something. No, John takes everything. He puts a 2D image on a screen and turns it to real life fanny pack. Jason. I know he does. I know he does. I know he does. All right. Anyway. Okay. So off we go. John, let's keep talking about you. Why are we talking about you all the time? New knife.

I am impressed because it's a great design. John, do you collect knives? I do collect knives. I do. Okay. I just want to quantify why you're the expert here. And it's because you have hundreds of them. Okay. And if it impresses you, it impresses us. Yes. Yes. Should we buy one of these? I love knives. Should we buy one of these knives? Yes. For sure. Absolutely. Okay. Just the design is freaking elegant. And it just gives you. Elegant? It gives you a place. What about masculine? It's masculine. Elegant just means it's a great solution. We have the Viking. Is it Viking-like? Yeah. So you put the blades right in the freaking handle. It is awesome. Pretty cool. And they're magnetic. And it actually works. They actually work. Yeah. They work. And nothing better than just, you know, your knife gets dull. You switch it out. It's a good mix of artistic and functionality. Yeah. Yeah. Ergonomics.

Could be thrown in there too. Couldn't that work? I like that. Is that a good word? Ergonomics. Okay. I'd have to add something to this.

Functionality, maybe. All right. So Viking, go for it. What do you take away on this? Well, did you see that knife he whipped out a minute ago over there? The way he did it with one hand? Yeah. Yeah. So you have to fillet a sturgeon with that thing. Exactly. Okay. You're not supposed to kill sturgeons. They're like 70 years old. Yeah. I heard their eggs were good.

Sturgeon roe. Yeah. He squeezes them out on his breakfast cereal. That's on a Viking done. Viking the sturgeon squeezer. You think gold is price good right now? You should have sturgeon caviar. Oh, jeez. All right. I'm a Viking. Have you had caviar? No. What? No. You've all eaten it. Oh, man. Whether you know it or not. Is it better than raw oysters? I'll say, yeah. So I don't think there's a food that's as drastic as if you get bad caviar, it's so bad. Yeah. If you get good caviar, it's so good. Really? Yeah. Where would you get that? Where do salmon eggs rank on that? In France. In France. So a salmon egg. Salmon eggs. Salmon eggs in the middle? Salmon eggs. Yeah. So if you go to Cal Ranch, get a little salmon eggs. That would probably be considered bad caviar. Okay. Yeah, but it's probably edible. John, is France better than the USA? For a while. Culturally, as far as living there, no.

No. It sucks. But they've got some cool things. Mostly because, you know, government ruins everything. Jeez. So, yeah. But. Trump's going to fix that. Food-wise, food-wise, it's so good. Oh, my God. Is that? I'm sure thankful for French things. I don't know. Every time I have, like, French things, it's a bland. It's a very bland. We like sugar here in America. Yeah.

Sugar, salt. Yeah. Sugar, salt, pepper. And meat. All right. Let's move along. Okay, move along. Who's hooked up? What are we going to do here? Okay. We're going to dial in Will Morgan from Outdoor Edge, and he's going to explain these new knives. So, Logan.

Didn't introduce Logan today. He's here. Appreciate it, Logan. Thanks for sticking with us. You got him. Give you the mic. All right. Despite the heckling we give you from time to time. He deserves more. I'm getting pretty good at taking it. Hey, how's that finger going? Hey. Hey. What's happening, guys? Hey. Hey. Hey. There's a familiar face right there. How's it going, Will? Good. How are you? Doing great. We're doing good. Can you hear everybody? I can. How's the audio on my end? It's good. It's really good. Yeah. Yeah. So, perfect. All right, John. Well. Take it away from you. Yeah. We're excited to have you on the podcast and talk a little bit of hunting and also talk about your new knives and new designs. And we kind of teed it up that I think you've hit a home run with this new design on that APX.

It's taken a big problem with what do you do, you know, packing and what do you do with the blades and giving it a really good place to store them. For some of us, a knife was a knife, right? And then we went to razor blades and that would have changed the whole world. Yeah. And I'm thinking, what else could we do, right? How could we add on to that? Replaceable razor knives. Anyway, and it appears you've done it. John's a knife collector. He puts a stamp of approval on it. Adam and I do whatever John says. So, anyway. 50% of the time. Well, yeah. And then there's some things we don't do and we just don't tell them. This is one of those. But anyway, this is an awesome, awesome opportunity for you to kind of tell the world what it is that you guys did different this time. And there's a lot, obviously. But we want to let you go ahead and dive into that. Yeah. No, absolutely.

Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah. I mean, like you said, you know, the replaceable blade concept. I mean, just an absolute home run as far as I'm concerned in the hunting world. Oh, yeah. You know, our very first one was in 2013. I mean, we're going on 12 years of selling replaceable blade knives. And, you know, for the longest time, they were very utilitarian and they were just sharp. And that was the purpose. They were, you know, they got the job done. But as you pointed out, there were some, you know, some downfalls in this system. What do you do with spare blades? Can we make it lighter? Can we make it more technical and provide a better experience? And so, you know, as we started kind of, you know, ideating for these new lines, those were some major, you know, touch points that we keyed in on. You know, our entire design team and office were much like you guys.

You know, we don't spend as much time in the field as you, but we all strive to. So, you know, we're a group of hardcore hunters being Colorado based. You know, we're hunting a lot of the same animals, you know, a lot of elk, deer, occasional moose, sheep or goat. So we understand what it takes to kind of get into those, you know, more technical, more lighter weight, more premium, you know, replaceable blade knives. So, yeah, so this year out of our entire product assortment, the one I'm most excited about is our new Razor APX. We just launched that a few weeks ago. And, you know, so far this has been, you know, very well received. So a couple of things that we did this year on it, you know, we did a two and a half inch as well as a three inch version. And, you know, like we talked about, the blade transport is always an issue.

You know, you're shoving them in back in the wrapper, tucking them in a pocket and you're buying a harness, hoping you don't, you know, don't cut yourself when you're, you know, cleaning up after the hunt. So, you know, we had a big dream of, can we figure out a way to store blades in the handle? And luckily we have some extremely talented engineers that are, you know, they're always up for that kind of task. So, you know, what we did here is we created these silicone scales that snap on, you know, I'd say kind of much like a Tupperware container for, you know, better terms. And we have this little, you know, magnetic retention plate on there that now safely, you know, holds two blades on either side. So I can essentially grab this knife and I have five blades, two in each side and one in the blade holder.

And I would say from experience, man, that is, you know, you can do any North American big game with five blades. And now I don't have to worry about spare blades or what I do after I have a bloody blade. I can tuck it back in there, snap that cover on and we're good to go. And it's solid. They're not janking around. No, it's awesome. Like they're solid. You know what I mean? We put those nice magnets in there. So, you know, as you're pulling them out, your hands are wet and cold and bloody. You don't have to worry about blades going flying. You know, they just, you know, really kind of slide out nicely. Take that out. You know, I think most people are familiar, you know, kind of with our system. Push that blade and, you know, slide that new one in there. And, you know, you're ready to keep, you know, keep going and, you know, working on that animal. No plastic, no Leatherman juice.

I mean, I packed one of those for 10 years, you know, because you're always a little bit nervous at times. Yeah, right. You know, putting them on, putting them back in the sleeve. Sometimes you grab a Leatherman. And, you know, the little Leatherman juice is about that big. And it's in my pack for only one reason. Yeah. Some of these safety features that ease to do the one-handed, you know, removal and all that has gotten a lot easier as well, in my opinion. Well, and we can always, I always, because of the dealing with the changing of the blade, you always go longer than you should. Right. And you're going to get hurt when that thing's dull. Yeah. Yeah. And so you just, or you're trying to conserve, or you don't have the blades. You've got to go back and get in your pack, and you've got bloody hands and all the things. All that. Exactly.

And so then you just keep going on this dull blade, which is, you're putting more and more pressure. You're going to jack. Start hacking. I don't know how I'm not dead. Start hacking. I mean, it's, anyway, but here it is, an opportunity, you know, to have everything in one. You're not going to have to dive back into your pack. You're not going to have to wonder how many blades you packed, or you know how many blades you got on there. Yeah. Or just say, you could do a muskox, you could probably do a pair of muskox, a whole family of muskox. I mean, it's, seriously, I mean. More than anything. More than anything. More than anything. As far as more than that. What's your average of how many blades you use on an animal? I use one for the whole animal, and I use one for the head. Yeah. One for the head. I'm the fastest one. I'm about it, too, as well.

Generally, but if you went an extra blade, okay, it's nicer. Sometimes, elk, if you're cutting off legs of big animals, you know, cutting the legs off, you start dealing with bone, they can dull faster, but maybe three. But on a deer or sheep, I'll do one for the whole animal. One for the body and one for the head. And one to cape the head out. Yeah, I think a big driver is how clean is the animal. Is it middle of September, and you shot a bull that just got out of a wallow, and he's just caked in the head? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That'll chew it up. Are you shooting, you know, an antelope early season that's nice and clean? You know, that really is a big driver, because I get that question all the time. How many blades does it take to do an animal? And, you know, it is kind of case by case, but. But three is not. Three is, yeah. I mean, you're not.

Unless you're really irresponsible in what you're doing. So, I think five totally covers you. Totally covers you. Go home, start off on a new hunt. Make sure you've got a full set of blades on one knife in the handle. Yeah. And one set ready to go, and you're perfect. Yeah. Set up. And I think the outdoor edge design on the replaceable blade is the safest that I've used. Yes. Yeah. You know, I mean, I've been very, very nervous before. And this design is way better than I've used in the past. Yeah. Absolutely. Awesome. Okay. Right on. So, any other features that you want to talk about or models? Of course, we've got some other products right here. This knife has got a lot of cool tricks, in my opinion. So, you know, as I showed, you know, you can pull those scales off. There's that little magnetic retention plate. We have three little, you know, assembly screws in there.

You can back those screws out, pop those magnetic retention plates off. And then you're left with a really nice, clean, sleek, ultra-lightweight design. This is something you could, you know, tuck in your chest rig. If you, you know, really want to cut that weight, cut that bulk. And then, you know, you could, you know, put your spare blades in there as well. And then you're running a really kind of, you know, slick approach, in my opinion. Yeah. So, like, our two and a half inch, that's, you know, just a touch over two ounces. Yeah. Which, that's, there's a lot of knife in, you know, in two, you know, in a two ounce knife. And personally, I'm a big fan of the two and a half inch blade over the three inch blade. You know, I think, you know, you can get a lot done with that small blade. You know, let's face it, a lot of times, light's fading. You're up on a mountainside. It's steep.

You know, less blade, I think, is a lot safer. And, you know, we've done elk with two and a half inch blades all the time. And quartering them completely out and, you know, really had no issue with it. So, yeah, there's kind of, you know, multiple configurations on how you want to carry that knife.

And personally, I just think this looks pretty cool. It is. So, John, does that pass the artistic test? Absolutely. I mean, I, before you were on, I used the word elegant and I got some pushback on it. But, I mean, I think elegant design doesn't necessarily, yeah. I mean. There you go. It would change the vocabulary a little bit, but doesn't necessarily mean bad. But I think it's a really great design. This is something John would have designed. The thing I like, too, is I think I would use it in that form because it's still very comfortable to hold. It's lightweight. But you can actually, like, screw those scales together and still use that to carry your blades in. And you can keep that in your pack or whatever if you want to. So, you can still have your blades. Okay. So, we're talking about the blades. Yeah.

Like, kind of a, basically in the handle that's not dealing with the knife anymore. Yeah. It's a blade holder. It's not really a handle. You screw them together. Yep. You screw them together and you can still, that's still your blade container or holder or whatever. You can keep that in your pack and then just have the knife and use it without them if you want. So, that's still pretty cool. You still can utilize that magnetized handle to hold the blades for you. Pretty awesome. Jeez. That's crazy. This is awesome. Yeah. Then the three inch, you've got even more features, right? Oh, I know. I was going to jump into that. Don't let the cat out. Don't let the cat out. Oh, okay. Just tell me, before we leave the two and a half or whatever, why? Just the overall size just is perfect for a North American big game. I mean, why the two and a half versus three? And then we'll dive into the three.

Some guys are going to want a bigger knife. Yeah. I mean, you know, if we look at them side by side, you know, the three inches is definitely a much larger handle because we had to accommodate for those spare blades. It's still, I mean, extremely comfortable knife. Fits in the hand well. You know, like I said, my personal preference on the two and a half is I prefer a smaller blade. If, you know, especially deer and antelope, smaller, you know, if I'm just field dressing and not worrying about quartering it, I like having that smaller blade. You know, plus it takes up significantly less space in the pack. It cuts, you know, quite a bit of weight off of the overall platform. We definitely didn't want to go up in size, like I say a three and a half inch. Yeah. So we based on how we're getting into this big old. Yeah. With a sturgeon knife. But this is a Viking. Yeah, buoy. Exactly. Anyway.

Okay, perfect. Yeah. So that's kind of, you know, we're, you know, all the input for, you know, not only the product team, but also our internal team of hunters and avid outdoorsmen. We really, you know, when we go into these products, it's not built in a silo. We pull in, you know, internal input. I talk to friends. I talk to guides and outfitters. And that's really how we, you know, come to creating some of these new models that we did. So, yeah, the three inch is definitely, you know, from a functionality standpoint, more of a workhorse knife, given some other benefits. So one thing we were able to figure out this year is kind of re-engineering our blade holder and adding what we're calling saw safe, which is a secondary lock. And what that allows us to do is now you can, you know, place a three inch bone saw in your pack. And it's not necessarily just a bone saw.

I mean, maybe you're brushed out a ground blind and there's a twig or you're up in your tree stand and you got to, you know, take down a little sucker off of a limb. Now you don't have to rummage through your pack. You have a little lightweight saw right there. So what we did is on the back, we added that little lock there. And that locks out our blade release button and overcomes that excessive push-pull motion of sawing to make sure that that saw blade is completely in there. And, you know, and if you want, you can also engage that lock for use of the knife blade as well. But what that, like I said, what that does is that that completely locks out that pin mechanism in there so I can push that button and that thing is. You're not, it's not moving anywhere. It's not going. I mean, I could, you know, zip up through the sternum on an animal.

You know, maybe I want to take the legs off if I, you know, try to cut down weight. If I'm not, you know, feeling to, you know, work the knife through that knuckle joint, I can saw through that. Or, you know, maybe I'm field dressing a deer and I just want to cut the pelvic bone. So we're really trying to create more of a kind of a multi-tool utility tool. To our knives where, yeah, you could, you know, you can field dress, you can cape, you can, you know, bone. Now you can saw all with one knife. And then, you know, with that, obviously trying to store a saw blade into the blade, into the handle is going to have its own limitations because of the, you know, the, the profile of that saw blade. So with that three inch, we included a little, little blade storage pot. It's a polymer box. It's got three compartments in there. It stores six blades, your saw.

And then this, as simple as this is, this is one of my little favorite add-ons we're throwing in. Yeah, it's just a little micro clean-out brush. It's got a, it's got a pick on the backside. Hey, you could use this as a toothbrush. These people are cutting off their toothbrush handle. I mean, here. Yeah. Just toothpaste. Yeah. Hey, I'm just saying. Multi-tool right there. Yeah, so, you know, so now you're, you know, your blade holder gets gunked up. Maybe, you know, you shot a late season deer. It's cold. There's hair and fat in that blade holder. You can, you know, run that little pick in there, you know, clean that out, run that brush in there. So then when you're, you know, swapping out blades in the field, you know, you're going to get a good, good seed in there. So that blade's nice and secured. Wow. That's crazy. What haven't you thought of? I mean. What's next year's problem?

This is what I love. Solving problems right there. Anybody who's used these knows these are solutions. I'm the guy that never knew there was a problem until there's a solution. Then I'm like, yeah, there was a problem. Why didn't we think of that before? Yeah, exactly. I killed myself a hundred times. No, this is good stuff. Man. And solid. That's what I can't believe. All the moving parts, but then how solid it is when everything's put together. It's just like, there's no moving parts on it. It's that solid. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's really hats off to our engineering team. Those guys are, you know, we dream up the ideas and, you know, we're sketching out napkins and designing it. And then we kick it to our engineer team and they roll their eyes, but they're always up to the task.

And yeah, they knock it out of the park to make sure that, you know, the structural integrity is there, all the functions there without compromising the design of the knife. That, that we want to have. Wow. Right on. So are these available for the public? Like how to, how does somebody get their hands on these or when? Yeah. No, great, great question. Yeah. So like I said, we, you know, we just kind of started launching our, our entire 2025 catalog over the past couple of weeks. So, you know, you can go to outdoor edge.com buy them. We got them on Amazon and they're getting loaded into all, all of our major retail partners and dealers across the country. Um, so, you know, they're going to go fast. That's my prediction. They are. Yeah. They're going to go fast. It's May. I mean, everybody's starting to think about equipment and gear and. Yeah.

Well, we got spring bear season and, you know, tail end of turkey season. And the next thing we know, I mean, what antelope's going to be opening up, you know, sheep up north will start, you know, turning on. And then, and then that's just the, you know, the kickoff to all the other fun stuff we'll be doing this fall. Any other major differences in the two and a half to three other than the size? I mean, not just the knife itself, not the, not the blade storage pod and thing like that with a three inch. But is it just a, is it simply just a, just a little bit bigger. Size and saw. Size and saw. Yeah. And size and saw. Yeah, exactly. Size and saw. I was going to say, visually they look identical, more, more or less identical. Yep. So there, there were a few different, you know, blade options. Yeah. In the pack where you can choke up on one for, you know, if it's a caping, a gut hook.

So stick with the ones you like. The caping blade, three inch. Yeah. Buy the ones you like after you get, you get the first initial and then you buy the ones you really love after that. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, three inch is compatible with all of our three inch blades. Same with the, same with the two and a half. Anything that's, you know, two and a half or labeled 250. That's kind of our numeric indicator that, that will allow that knife to accept those blades. And same on the three inch, 300 or three inch. All those blades plug right into that, that blade holder seamlessly. Yeah. I kind of like this, this one blade to be like a caping blade, I guess you could say that allows you, it's kind of got a little finger hole that's up higher. Yeah.

For like, say, if you're getting around the base of an antler on an elk or a deer or something like that, and you need to, you don't need that long a blade to do it. It can kind of get in your way. So you can get in there around the base of a sheep, something, whatever. You can peel that hair back and you're right there next to it. And it's just a little short blade to do that with. That's, that's pretty cool. Yeah. That's the taxidermist coming out in Josh. He's got a lot of that. You can love the two and a half then for that. You can really, you know, like a little pencil and get all those detailed cuts around the eyes, the ducks. Yes. Yes. Pretty awesome. Wow. So I'm the guy that's going to order like a hundred spare blades. I need them in every truck, every pack. You just don't want to have, you don't have to order them for a while.

We go through dozens of fall between ourselves, kids, guided clients, whatever. So. I contend that that's what is going to revolutionize our legacy here on this earth. You know, a lot of Native Americans, they leave arrowheads around for stories. You know, you find an arrowhead. Yes. These are, these are the 2025 Hunter's arrowheads. This is from a warrior. Yeah. I wonder what was killed here. Look at this. This is sharper than any rock I've ever seen. Then you'll see some other brands that are like broken halfway, you know, they fly off in the middle of nowhere. And they're like, oh, if this was whole, this would be an awesome one.

Yeah. Now they've got these features where you can. People aren't, people aren't leaving the blades in the field. No, they're not. They're not supposed to be. Other people might. Nah. We want to make sure that they're responsible blade management. That's what the case, that's what the case is for. Now we've got a reason for that. Exactly. I do think there's validity to that. I mean, when you have the old dull blades, where are you putting them? You're putting them in, you know, you're packed just in some kind of storage. Might drop one. Whatever once in a while. You're putting them back in this little plastic thing and, you know, trying to keep it away from everything else. That's what is nice about the carrier, too. You know, you can throw your old ones in there. It's actually got some holes drilled in it, so it's going to breathe, too. It's not going to dry out. Pull this thing.

Real dunked up. Yeah. You're not going to pull it out in four months when you're done. Your pack's going to smell like cultures. The next COVID-26 is going to start in one of those if it's not drilled out. That's right. That's funny stuff. Because, I mean, we'd cut off the coyote ears, right, for the bounty. Back in the day when you were younger. Anyway, don't do that much anymore. But, anyway, we'd make a peanut butter sandwich on the tailgate. And, I mean, you know, it's a used knife. Jenna and kids would be like, Dad, did you cut off the coyote ears? Yeah, 1943. It's fine. It's all dried. We're good now. This is a peanut butter sandwich. This is Daryl. It's Daryl. Now you've got brushes and blades for each species to take care of. Good point. All right. No, I'm bucking it. That's cool. I'm loving that.

Aside from the light here, light stuff, are any other products that you want to talk about? I know you guys are nonstop engineering tons of different things. Anything else you want to talk about? Or is this pretty much? Yeah, we can jump into some other stuff. Yeah, so, you know, this year we had, I think, 26 or 27 new products. Giant year for outdoor riding. Wow. But, you know, we really are focusing on razor. I mean, I think we can all agree. It's, you know, it's one of the solutions. You know, sharpening knife sucks. I always tell people that. And even good knives get dull over time. So, yeah, we built on. There's very few guys that are good at sharpening a knife. Well, we tease a lot, too, Will. Like, our boys. Like, our dads taught us. You know, we used, I used bare razor heads growing up. And, you know, he'd sharpen them before the bow on.

And you'd tell it could cut your hair on your arm. Swickies. Swickies or bare razor head. Both those. And your knife. Your knife had to be sharp before you went hunting. And, you know, before bow season started, your arms had no hair on them. You know? And that's what you did. And now we kind of joke that we've not really passed that. Call it an art. I mean, I remember in fifth grade, you know, you had to do a speech presentation to your class. And I remember taking my knives and showing the class how to. Which now you would be in jail. I would be in jail. But I showed them how to sharpen knives in fifth grade. It was my, you know. Your talent. Communications deal. I don't know. Was it for communications or whatever? So. And now my, I've never even taught my boy how to do that. No. Because he grew up in the era.

Well, if you gave him a sharpening stone, he would look at you like you're stupid. Like, what is this? What is this? This is a sharpening stone. But it's true. It's the era. Like, you guys, you know, 2012 or 13, I think you said. I mean, about when they really started following us. We've had these their whole life, really. They've had our outdoor edge knives with them. And, like, they know no different. Like, Dad, give me a blade. That's how they sharpen their knife. That's how they sharpen it. And I still, I don't know how to sharpen it. I don't know how to sharpen it. It's really, I feel bad in a way. It's kind of like a compass. What am I going to do with this? Yeah, we got GPSs and stuff. Hey, go find the truck. Really? Yeah, it's the exact same thing. Get a map and orient the map and use it. My dad is a surveyor. So, I grew up with that stuff. He had to show us with a map.

I still have a compass in my pack, but I don't know what to do with it. But the same thing with knives. And it's just very, I feel bad in a way, but I'm not going to go back and revert. It's a teaching. No, you can buy more blades. So, you're saying when you go to the expo and you see all these guys walking around with flat beams and their freshly shaved arms, they sharpen their knives? No. Is that what you mean? Is that what that means? No. I thought it was something else, but I didn't know that was a term of good hunter. They're using nair. You know, maybe Logie Bear would know what they're doing. Why are these guys all shaved down, Logan? Hey, the nair flies off the shelf as always. Okay. All right. All right. Well, let's let Will maybe talk about a couple more projects so we get on. The projects that might, yeah, just a couple of the fun projects that just shows the, you

know, the other options than the replaceable stuff. Exactly. Well, I mean, like I said, that's kind of our bread and butter is replaceable what we're known for. But yeah. So, you know, we also just kind of did a big facelift on, you know, call it more of your everyday hunter. That person has less concern about weight, less concern about bulk. So we came out with a line called Razor HTX, which is also available right now online, web, Amazon, and all of our other retail partners. So that line has consisted of three folders and two fixed blades. Okay. You know, they're really nice knives, great ergonomics. We put a nice non-slip, you know, coating on those. Once again, they're, you know, the folders with the lockback. I think my opinion, lockbacks are arguably one of the safest locking mechanisms on a knife,

which, you know, that's why, you know, we landed on sticking with that lockback for hunting knives. So like I said, there's a three, a three and a half. And then we also, you know, came out with a big five-inch version. Got that, you know, nice kind of curved boning blade on there. Good flex on there. So if you're working around joints, you know, if you're really taking down a complete animal and boning it in the field, it's awesome. But that blade's also really great in the kitchen, at home when you're processing game too. Jeez, there you go. Yeah. See, if you're on a moose or something, you need a bigger knife like that. Yeah. And it's replaceable. Yeah. Yeah. You need a moose. You need a, you need a bigger knife than a two and a half inch. You wouldn't believe the knife, the janky knife. Something big. Yeah. Kitchen. Yeah.

No, I mean, I got my Colorado moose two years ago and that was my, this is my favorite blade. Yeah. I mean, there's just so much meat to bone off a moose if you can't quarter them. Yeah. Having that long stroke of that blade, it really, you know, it was a, it was a lifesaver. And then we did, like I said, some fixed blades as well. So we have a three and a three and a half inch fixed blade that, that come in a drop point compatible sheath. And then we added, you know, kind of a modular bolt on clip system. So you can orient, orientate this. If you want to carry it, you know, on your shoulder strap, or you want to turn the clip sideways to carry it on your belt, or, you know, just pull that, pull that off and run that sheath. A lot of the same construction, you know, nice ergonomics. You get that good pinch grip while you're skinning. Non-slip grip.

And then we did some nice jimping down the back. So you get that good positive grip. And these knives are also all compatible with that same saw safe locking mechanism. So, um, I can, I can, I can pull that, pull that saw out of my blade pod. Okay.

And, and there, and there you go. Now, now, once again, that same kind of multi-tool mentality approach to our hunting knives where I could, I could run this three and a half inch with a, you know, a gutting blade, a drop point. I can put that big boning blade in there. Now I can put that saw blade in there. And now I'm confident with one knife, any, any animal's not safe out there. Yeah. I say that, that's breaking moose down no matter what you need to want to cut off legs. Like I said, if you, if you're not hitting a knuckle on a moose and you get sick of it. All right. Give me the saw blade. Give me the saw blade. So bloody and dirty. And I've been wallowing in a lake and I can't feel it because it's down in the water. I mean, there's all that stuff. It does happen. So exactly. Well, you've thought about everything.

And you, like I said, the attachment stuff, you know, whether it's up here on your hip, you know, those, a lot of those are just personal preference things. How you've, how you've gotten the habit of using knives. Some people, you know, you know, I have some of the hunters that I hunt with or, or guys that hunt with me, they, they wear their knife a certain way. And I, I'm like, why do you do that? Well, that's just how I've always done it. Well, you're not going to change that about somebody that likes it in a certain spot and that's where they like it. So you've made some of those. Yeah. So to give them that opportunity of carrying it how they want to is, was a big, you know, goal of ours on all these hunting knives. Now, you know, we opted to not put a clip on the APX just cause we wanted to keep that

footprint as small as possible and allow you to, you know, slip that into your chest rig or put it in the pocket in your pack. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. So your Colorado moose, you said that, when was that? Two years ago you said that? That was 23. Wow. Okay. Tell us a little bit about that, huh? Yeah. I mean, now that you draw these Colorado moose tags, you can, you have different seasons and different weapons. When you draw the tag, you have to go from archery to muzzleloader to rifle, but what did you use any of them? Yeah. You know, but what unit did you have? I was up in 18 and 181. Sure. So kind of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That'd be like west of Rocky Mountain National Park. Cremling. Cremling area. Yep. Gamby. No, it was, it was remarkable. I mean, I remember I was sitting in the car wash, washing my truck and I opened my phone

and, you know, I'm so used to like sheep, unsuccessful, goat, unsuccessful, moose, successful. I'm like, holy shit. I can't believe that. So, I mean, I dedicated every weekend, all summer, pounded the miles, looked at just, you know, a ton of country, found a lot of animals. I mean, the, the moose population, it was, it was immense. I mean, there were, I mean, every single time I'd go out, I'd see four or five moose, cows, calves, bulls. So, you know, going into the season, you know, real, real optimistic that it was going to work out. And yeah, what's, what's cool is they do those, um, you know, any weapon so you can hunt all the seasons. So it opens on muzzle loader so you can hunt muzzle loader archery and then it goes into in October, it switches over to rifle. Um, so I spent every chance I could during the month of September chasing him with my

bow, um, probably saw the best bull of the season opening weekend. Um, got within about 15 yards of them in the thick, you know, 10, 12 foot willows. And I could just see his body on the other side. And, you know, we played cat and mouse for about three hours. I think there were, there were nine moose in that area, um, three bulls and the rest were cows. Like I said, played cat and mouse. I can never turn that bull back up, unfortunately. Um, but just, you know, tons of great encounters during archery season. And then, uh, I convinced my 65 year old dad to come out from Wisconsin and hunt with me. I'm like, look, I got a moose tag. Like I'm, I'm not going to hunt moose in Colorado. My checkbook's not big enough to, you know, go up north and hunt the big moose. Bring a back brace and a pack and let's go. Yeah. I'm like, this is your chance to come out.

So, so he came out, we hunted the tail end of archery into rifle. Um, I had a couple other buddies that weekend. They had to peel out for, you know, work obligations, but I had like 10 days off and, uh, you know, um, logged him in like two miles or so got set up and he and I, you know, we, we got it done. Um, you know, I ended up getting a nice moose for the area. He's, I think he was like a five and a half year old. So, you know, he wasn't the oldest bull, but he was a, he was a big body, real, real good animal. And, uh, you know, I think nine hours later we had him completely out of the woods and it was, it was good. I was, you know, it was an amazing experience to share with, with my dad to bring him out and, you know, strap a front shoulder on his pack and watch his eyes go. Whoa, this is big. This is not a white trip. We, we, we, you know, we got it done.

So that was, uh, that was, that was really, you know, memorable experience. Um, now I'm just waiting for all my friends to draw moose tags so I can, you know, get out there and do more of that. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, we should know in what, about three weeks or so Colorado will come out with their stuff the last week of may, it's just kind of trickles out and they're. My boy's been asking me when, when do we find out about, when do we find out about tags? It's coming up. May's finally here. And yeah, Colorado moose are, they're really for shyrus moose. There's no better state right now. They're awesome. For big moose. And they're just been expanding all over the state. Yeah. I mean, during, during the hunt, I mean, I saw over 30 different bulls. Wow. Oh, that's a lot for a, for an animal that's more of a solitary or small group. You're not, you don't see herds of them like elk.

So it's, that's a lot. Did that big bull just disappear on you once the rut started kicking in? He did. Yeah. I, I don't know. I mean, I don't know a ton about moose, but I was talking to some guys up there and they say once the rut starts, those bulls will find the, find the hot cow and they push them up high to breed them. Oh. So I think he just pushed it out of this, um, swampy basin and he was probably up, up high in the timber somewhere. Um, but I ended up shooting the bull that same spot where we saw that, that good one. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Really cool. All right. Awesome. Okay. Anything else we haven't covered that you want to touch on? You've got a lot of products here. Like I said, you dropped your website and they're going to be showing up. You said if they're not already starting to show up, but very soon in retail areas. Yeah.

We're shipping out orders, you know, every day to retail, but yeah, the full catalogs on the website. Um, you know, we, we, we release a new product, you know, over the next, you know, two, three weeks still, we got some other, you know, kind of carry knives, work inspired knives as well that we're, we're pushing out. And, uh, we've got some really exciting stuff coming this fall on the game processing side as well. So there's never done. Yeah. Wow. Well, we'll have to get you back on later for some of that, but this is awesome. I can't wait to, like I said, before, when we get done with this, we're going to go order the blades because we have a big supply here. We usually get the office. Well, I have a feeling you and I are going to need some knives. These are Johns. Well, that's a good, but you need, you only need one knife. You need a lot of blades. So I'll take care of you guys.

You know that. Well, we're not going to overstep her welcome because we get a lot of blades. I'm just going to say that. We're glad to hear you have enough right now.

But, uh, we'll appreciate your time. It's been great. We've had a great partnership with you guys. You guys are always thinking, always trying to innovate and improve and, and think you've done it. I'm looking forward to putting this, I think I'm going to grab the two and a half. That's what I think I'm going to do. I do mostly with deer and a lot of sheep. You know, I don't, I don't need to do it. I'll just fine. You could, if I need to. Absolutely. But, uh, 90% of what I do, probably like you alluded, that's probably what I'm going to go to just to be lighter. Um, and all that don't need quite a big blade on most of the stuff I have. That's right. Me too. And a lot of times, even if they're not in retail locations, a lot of times a knife, like it's kind of the feel of it and whether you fall in love with it.

But this one, I guarantee that, no, those APX ones, sight unseen by it, you won't be disappointed. Like I said, there's just nothing, there's nothing there to hate. There's two ounces. There's two ounces, you said, right? Nothing to hate on. Yeah. How can you hate the two ounces? Yeah. There's nothing to. Sharp razor knife. That's right. And light and feels great. Feels safe too. Absolutely. Like the little sheath too, obviously, but on a straight blade, you need something like that. So anyway. All right. Yep. Okay. Well, sure. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks a lot, Will. All right. Thanks, Will. Good luck in the draws. Have a great weekend. Yep. Likewise. Okay. All right. Okay. It's pretty awesome to talk to Will. He knows his stuff. The company's incredible. We appreciate their partnership with them.

Of course, it's easy to be partners with people that make the first class products that they do. And so anyway, it's awesome to have him on. Bronson, we've had a lot of draw results this last week. There's been a flurry. I don't think anybody in our office has landed. It's mostly been sheep, moose, goat type stuff. And, you know, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. So we're all tagless. Tagless. Kind of like Toothless the Viking. I know. But anyway, yeah, we're tagless right now. But hey, we got Utah coming up next week. We got Nevada coming out. Nevada in a week or so after that. Wyoming elk will be coming out. Of course, we're applying like crazy still. Oh, yeah. There's a few applications out there. There's a lot to apply for still here. May just opened up. But anyway, May's the biggest month, it feels like, for draw results. We've just had a flurry this week. We did. And a bunch more coming up.

Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, all sheep, goat moose. Yeah. Iceland in places. Things like that. There's still hope until there's not. So good luck to everybody out there in the draws. Yeah. I tried to put some good juju out there and said, this is the year someone in the office is going to draw. But it's proven me wrong. Well, I mean, Logan and General Deer. No, I mean sheep. Sorry. I said a sheep. Someone's going to draw sheep. Sheep tag? Not happening. Not yet, John. Just not yet is how it goes. I'm going to keep that positive energy going. That's right. Actually working over some Arizona choices right now. All right. All right. There's still hope out there. Ready for that to kick off. Well, that's the one thing I do like about sheep hunts is you draw and it's, you know, all your buddies want to go. That's right.

Well, John, just think of all the memories you have of Jason's hunt that we've talked about. It's a lifetime of memories. Yeah. It's a life changing memory. John, you and I have lifetimes of memories. This is true. Life changing memories. We've been through a few things. You, me, Bronson, a few others. You know what's funny? Cash came in the other day and he's like, you know what? Last night I just, I watched your Southwest Desert Elkhorn again and went through the whole thing and I'm like, it's been like 10 years since I was there. Cash needs a few kids. Has he really got that kind of time on his hands? He's bored. He did. And I was like, oh, that was a fun hunt. It was. That was a great hunt. It was. Back when we were kids, man. Yeah. But it was. No, Cash is watching YouTube for entertainment. That's for sure. Yeah. About like 2008 or 2009. You're dead. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

Same year I had my Utah elk. I think it was 2008 or 2009. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Been a minute. Seven years ago. We're due again. Yeah. Someone's going to get on the sheep tag. That's true. I like it. Keep sending it out. It'd probably be. Manifest. Josh or who knows. Not me. He's pretty darn lucky. I don't know. Not me. Not you. Logan, are you in for sheep or what do you put in for once a lifetime? I'm a desert sheep. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think, Mel, Jason, Jason and I are Rockies now because we have to here in Utah. Yeah. Kind of. I started playing my kids. You know, back in our day, it was, desert was the bottleneck. Well, it's kind of, now it feels like. Now it feels like Rockies is the bottleneck. Yeah. And so I started all my kids on Rockies. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not all of them, but most of them. Yeah. You know. Anyway. All right, everybody.

Well, get your applications in. If you need help, call us 435-263-0777. Of course, you can email us too. Get on epicoutdoors.com. You can join. And we're here to help members of Epic Outdoors. So anyway, anything gear, applications, anything Western, big game, hunts with guaranteed tags. Of course, we deal with that as well. Devin is at his desk right now sending out referrals and helping guys get on hunts with guaranteed tags that don't deal with the draw. Or even a few of the draw tags out there that have come available. So anyway. I think if you're not a member, now is a great time because we've got our summer membership drive going. Good point. The giveaway. So if you join now, you get a free ticket and you could win a desert sheep hunt. You get to put that free ticket into any of the hunts of your choice. World class. Elk hunt, deer hunts. Yeah. It's awesome.

You know, not a better time. Desert sheep. I mean, speaking of desert sheep, we're giving one of them away at the end of June. So anyway. It's fun to talk to those guys after they go. I mean, it's a lot of them, something they wouldn't get to do otherwise, you know. World class experience. Yeah. And just with the membership, I'm going to throw a plug out there. You guys all hate when I'm like, I guarantee you you're going to kill bigger animals and get better tags if you join our service. And everybody hates the guarantees, but I maintain. King John. I maintain it. Sending out a guarantee. You're getting our magazine. It's in front of you all the time. The better places to go. What to do with your points. You can call us anytime. If I have, you know, let's say five or seven or 13 points in Colorado, I'm trying to put in my application. We usually help you, John. I guarantee.

It's going to be better with our help. Yeah. John will come around and be like, all right, what do you think? And then he'll go to Adam's office. Hey, Adam. And I guess that's why I'm such a big believer. I use it. I use you guys. Well, it's better if you can, you know, throw your ideas around. There are legitimate changes, especially for some species. You know, sheep, most notably, their stuff comes and goes fast. Two to three years can be an eternity for a sheep bird, good or bad. Yeah. You know, improving or tanking. So, and then other stuff that happens. Other species as well. You know, antelope, mule deer, winter kill, drought. And then you get two years of drought. And then you essentially had no fawn production in that unit for two years. Look out in three or four years down the road. You're not going to have many mature bucks.

Now we've got Nevada teaming with antelope, for example. On the upswing. On a positive. And they mature fast. You know, two to three-year-old buck antelope are a lot different than two to three-year-old buck mule deer. So, anyway. Lots to stay on top of. That's what we do here. But, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, get your apps in. Let us know if you draw.

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