EP 364: Hunting a Giant British Columbia Stone Sheep with Ty Bronson and Trail Camera Contest Winners

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, coming at you from southern Utah. It's a rainy southern Utah, Bronson. It's been dry for how many, feels like decades, let's just call it. But I would say like three months we haven't had a single rainstorm. Yeah, since early June, we haven't had anything. June, July, August. How about that? Dude, I can count. Jason counts on his fingers too, just so everybody knows. It's not just me. So let's see, Cash and Logan have a little banner going on before we got started here. Cash is just jealous because I can actually count. Logan had to count how many people were at the table, and luckily it was no more than a handful. I would just like to know what you guys know without ChatGPT. What do you know? I know almost everything. So we've been talking, Jen and I have been talking about this, I don't know why, it's off the subject, nursing program. Okay.

And they're getting through it with ChatGPT. Okay, and I'm just saying in the future, you're going to get operated on by doctors, people, medical. The medical field is going to prescribe and do surgeries per big pharma. Right? Don't you think? So if you see, and we're making fun slightly, but if you're in surgery and you got a guy with his AirPods in and they're directing, now, grab your aorta. Yeah. Exactly. And he's just narrating in his head what to do with some AirPods. ChatGPT. How to put a stent in. You know? Okay. I mean, okay. Hit the head. Going to be going up through the groin. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just saying things are going to be changed. And Jan and I were talking, it's like this natural medicine, there's going to be, it's going to be a huge thing. Oh, yeah. So any people that are Logie Bear's age or cash, I mean, if you're going to go out in

medicine, go out in the natural stuff. What do you mean natural? Like herbs and stuff? Because there's going to be a movement because. Nobody's going to trust modern doctors. Nobody trusts the government to begin with. Yeah. Big pharma, whatever. It's just that whole thing of the medicine field's all messed up. Yeah. But what do we know, right? Nothing. Who's in the medical field here? Yeah. Not me. Yeah. I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once. Who was? Okay. So anyway. That gold commercial. I don't know why we get, it's just, those are just ramblings, family ramblings. All right. Moving on. Just want to say hey to O'Fierce Firearms. What a great firearm they make. We appreciate them and their support here at Epic Outdoors. They're our title sponsor and for good reason. We all use our freaking rifles and they're amazing. You guys put one to use this weekend, didn't you, family?

That's right. We've all been. I don't want an early rifle. I should have Sean in here. We've got a special guest, Ty Bronson. How you doing, Ty? Doing great. Yeah. Good to be here. Anyway, if there's any single girls out there that are, you know, wanting to go out on a date, we might even fund you. Epic Outdoor sponsorship. What? Yeah. Let's do it. There's two of them in here. Oh, well, I don't. That's never been offered to me. No.

You're just a lost cause. Your tastes and women are slightly odd. Mine. That's the Gen Z's. Say we got their digits. Well, Ty, you guys, Snap's a big thing, right? Yeah. Do you ever have like your, it's the air, like your, I don't know, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. So when you walk by, you guys, you can like snap them without knowing the number or whatever, like things like that. Is that a thing? Is that like a- It is a thing. I don't think so. Is that like a walk-by airdrop? Yes. What? You can tell- You can touch the end of your phones together now. Well, that I know on the airdrop, but you, Snapchat has that? No? Yes. I heard there was. I heard there was. Jason, let's stay in our lane. Let's stay out of the millennial world. Or Gen Z. What are these guys? We've already had that discussion. Never mind. Don't get into that. Cash is born right on the- I know this. Anytime dads-

Bronson, maybe you know this, but anytime dads try to get involved in the dating scene, like they'll do the opposite. The exact opposite. Has dad tried to interject anything in the last little bit? Sometimes. No, not really. Yeah. Well, I've tried to make some suggestions. Strongful suggestions. Just runs the other way. Yeah. He'll just leave them unread. Yeah, dad. Don't worry. For the rest of forever. No, I'll leave her unread. You bring her up again. Yeah. Anyway. Whatever that means. I don't even know what that means, but it's a thing. I know you guys are communicating via unreads. How does that work? I don't know. He's left me unread. Unread just means leave me alone. You can't just say, no, I don't think it's going to work. You just don't text him back. You just say that? You just leave it unread? Yeah. Is that a thing? You just don't text him back. Yeah.

I didn't have to deal with all this stuff, so I don't know any of it. Well, yeah. It's pretty interesting. Is it beyond you? Jason and I didn't have self. I had mine tied up at 17. We didn't have flip phones. Okay. Imagine trying to date without a flip phone or without any phone at all. We would go to their apartment. They weren't there. You'd have to write a sticky note on their door and say, hey, stop by to see you. That's how you communicate. We drug main, Adam. Okay. I don't. You talk to girls in person? In person. On a hard line that at any time one of their roommates could pick up and try to make a call at the same time while you're talking to your wife's to be girlfriend. Yes. Because it was a hot line. Anybody in the house. Well, yeah. Or your parents. That's concerning. There was a lot of things that were concerning of our age. Yeah. It's amazing. I mean.

It's amazing we're alive. Amazing we're normal. Yeah. Right? Well. Yeah. Survive. Stronger for us. Normal as you could be. All right. So, anyway. If there are any single gals. I mean, Logan, don't hit us up on DMs because then Logan gets them and he will block Ty from really getting the date. I am not going to let Ty log into the Epic account. Hit up Epic directly. Try email. Write a letter. Send it to PO Box 2978. Yeah. Your name. Put Epic Outdoors care of Ty Bronson. Yeah. And your contact information, obviously. Yeah. But back to. Send a three by five photo. All right. All right. But back to your weekend. You actually put a gun to use. Yeah. We actually did. We put the Fierce. So, this is bad. Do I admit it on the podcast? I don't know. What? Why not? Don't. We never shot the gun for a whole year since last year when we put it away. Yeah. We pull it out. This is the way.

This is how confident I am in this rifle. It's a Fierce rifle. 7mm PRC. We're shooting the 175 ELDX. It's a little slower. Bronson, you know this. It doesn't matter. We've talked. Sometimes 200 feet slower than the exact same box. We'll shoot out of John's gun. And these are twins. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, anyway. It's a little slower. It doesn't blow up or anything. I know the ELDX guys have said, well, on a souped up version, you know, it could have a weight retention issue. I don't have that. I haven't seen that on any one. Nothing. 6.5s. Shooting elk deer. And a 7s. An amazing. It's an amazing combination. Anyway, so we grab the gun and we take it out. Sean's got an antelope. It is antelope. So, maybe that's part of the reason you're like, well. We're not taking it on a 200. You mean I have less respect for an antelope? Maybe. But a mule deer, maybe a mule.

Hey, what are the chances? If you went on a mule deer hunt first year, do you think you'd have shot the gun before you went? I would have. I knew it. But I have a lot of confidence in this rifle. You did. But you're going to just double check if it's a mule deer. Anyway, long story short, because I probably want to get this story out of Sean Direct. It was awesome. Performed flawlessly. Bullet was on the other side of the, right inside the skin, on the other side of the antelope. 550 yards. And, you know, there was a little bit of shrapnel, but a lot of weight retention. I showed you guys a picture of the bullet, I think. I did the little sneak, like, you know, like we get bloody, right? Yeah. Remember? Teased you a little bit. What do you mean? That came from you, by the way. Blood on your boots. And then, like, a day later, you're like, I feel like. Yeah.

I don't know if that's, I don't know if you're able to say that. I'm saying anything really bad. I mean, it's kind of like if, I don't know, your girlfriend's like, I'll send you a picture of my face. You know, like Logan and Ty's in a situation. Like, I don't even know what you look like, but I'll send you a picture of my face. You flirt around. I mean, it's been like a day and a half, and you're waiting and waiting and waiting. It's the same feeling when someone hits your group chat. It's like, bloody boots or whatever. They don't send a picture for a day and a half. Making you beg for it. Yeah. So anyway, I sent you guys the bullet, and then, you know. Of course, it's archery season for most everything. It's August. Yeah. Shouldn't be shooting a rifle unless it's a coyote or something like that. Anyway, it was great. Rifle hunt's going on over there. Antelope were rutting like crazy.

Had a great experience. The fierce performed flawlessly. Crushed him. We'll be showing that on a YouTube episode in the future. Got a lot of good video. Logan, by the way. Awesome. And anyway, where does that bring us? Okay. So that's fierce. Appreciate you. Hornady. Thanks for. Yeah. Hornady. Flawless. Awesome. A lot of good ammo out of there. I'm not a really a boxed ammo kind of guy. I reload. I have no problems reloading. We did too. But COVID kind of is when it changed for me when you couldn't. It was easier to find. It was hard. But it was easier to find factory ammo. Than components. First before the components were. And even today, it's still for certain powders. Still hard to get components. We got enough. I mean, I got enough for the rest of my life. But I want more. I know guys that were stripping factory bullets down. Because they couldn't find the bullet or the powder.

Or nothing. They were stripping them down. And cutting powder back. Using what? Using the brass? Pulling bullets? Yeah. And dumping powder? Pulling bullets. Dumping the powder. And then putting their own powder and everything. Okay. I don't know. It's crazy. That would make me a little nervous. Yeah. Bullet pullers change things. Yeah. Sometimes I can scar them up. But I mean. Whatever. Whatever. They'd rerun their brass though. I mean. I know this. All that. Yeah. Anyway. Moving on. I'm not going to. But yeah. You're right. I didn't hardly ever do that with my big game rifles six, eight years ago. Right. I think COVID really kind of changed it. And whether, you know, we start buying in lots, you know, with 200 a pop. So a lot more. At least there's more uniformity in that lot than there is just buying a box or two at a time. Every time you need one at Walmart or another place, you know.

And then they're all just slightly different out of different batches and things like that. And some of the guns, we've all shot them. We're like, that's good enough for me. I don't need to go through all the load development to try to tighten up my group from this, you know, a two-inch group at 500 yards. We're not hunting film mice. Not hunting film mice. That's right. You know. So we went. So the one bummer is I'm thinking part of this, we haven't shot it for a year. And this was just a spur of the moment trip. So we just didn't have time. Take two boxes of ammo. Right. Because, you know, it might take a box to shoot it in. I don't know. You never know. Right. If you fell last go around, whatever. Go to the truck. Ash grabs a box. Comes down. Anyway, do our thing. Dead animal. Get back to the truck. Load them. And come home. Everything's great. Come home.

I'm like, you know, there was two boxes of ammo. Got other boxes. Out in the brush somewhere? No way. Do you know where? Yeah. You know plus or minus? Yeah. It was a four-hour drive. You know what I mean? And so it's just like kind of a bummer. But I am going to go get it. I'm going to retrieve it. But then there again, how much cold, hot, cold, hot, rain, snow. Rust. Yeah. I mean, there's not rust, but it gets that green, copper, copper. Yeah. Brass. Brass. Colors a little bit. You know, whatever. So anyway. Somebody finds a box of 20 out there. The LDX 175 grain. 7mm PRC. Jason will make it worth your time. It's great stuff. But it matches the lot. It does. And it's more than just a box of ammo. It's a box in the right lot. But anyway, whatever. All right. So off we go. Kind of fun. It's a fun time of year. We've got a lot going on. Been archery hunting. Ty, you've been archery hunting.

We've been archery hunting. Adam's been archery hunting. We've had a lot going on. Of course, you guys also went to Canada. And we'd love to get that story as well. And, Cash, you've been crushing it. Well, other people have. I've just been helping them. Yeah. I haven't killed anything. But I helped on one that was pretty fun. Pretty awesome. Yeah. Well, let's see. Ty, you're quiet. Of course, you can't get a word in edgewise with Adam and I.

Do you get a lot of words in at home? No. Come on. He rides you pretty good. Yeah. Especially still living at home.

He's got the reins of the house. You know, it's just that fine balance of, let's see, rents. How much is an average rent rent? $1,500. $1,500, yeah. Well, it depends on if you split a room. If you split a room, it's $500. Would you like to live a room? $500? Oh, I do got a room open. But that's fine. Logan's got a spot. Are you a $500 a room, Logan? About, yeah. Yeah. Oh, a room. But, I mean, I'm talking about. But to have a house or, you know, like an apartment or something. Or two or three dudes. Versus having dad ride you a little bit. Yeah. It's kind of worth it, right? For right now, it's easy math, right? Especially if your AirPods are in. Yep. And he's riding you and you don't hear much. Mom gets the groceries and pops take care of the gas money. That's right. Stuff just happens, right? Food just appears on the table. The fridge is always stocked. Yeah. Fridge is stocked.

There's nothing wrong with that. So, anyway, you guys had a hunt. Maybe let's dive into that because it's kind of the first time of the year. Pretty awesome experience. Maybe bring us up to speed of how you got to that point, Adam. Yeah. This was a kind of a, well, it was a last minute thing. I mean, it really was. Midsummer. And wasn't planning on anything. You know, Todd was going to be coming home this summer. We didn't plan any family vacations. We didn't, you know, I thought about maybe doing like a drop-off moose hunt or something up north in September, which, you know, we all know there's everything in the world's going on in September. Like, it's, you're giving up a lot if you go up there in September. Deer, elk. Deer, elk, guiding sheep, whatever. So, he said, no, I just want to get home, you know, get my buddies, do, you know, get back

in the flow, golf, you know, be with buddies, friends, family, whatever. So, but then this opportunity kind of came up. It's a place that I'd been to 11 years ago. And I'd kind of stayed. I cannot believe it's been that long. 2014. Yeah. We're old. And, uh. Not me. I feel young as ever. Broken ribs and all. You're like 11 months. Are you like. I can't even laugh right now. Yeah. That might be another story we need to tell today. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh. Just to stay in touch with this outfit. Um. You know, smaller one, northern BC. And, uh. You know, more. Once you go and have a great experience somewhere. When I say stay in touch, that's all it is. Hey, how are you doing on your sheep hunts? Whatever. And, you know, things that kind of slowed down. COVID put it on hold for a bit. And then afterwards kind of, um. You know, there's some possibilities of it selling and things like that.

And they don't get many tags. So, I just always said, hey, if something. You want to take sheep hunting again, let me know. And actually called me last year. But I had, uh. I had a hunt, uh. In the Northwest Territories last year that I had won three years prior to our Utah Sheep Bank. Which I've talked about a million times. So, I couldn't go do it last year. And then this year I didn't. I didn't really call. Because, like. If you call. And they say, yeah. Come up. And the opportunity's there. Now you're like. You gotta go. You have to take it. Because I called them. Yeah. So, if the price is reasonable at all. Yeah. What are you going to say? Well, why would you call at them if you're not really serious? Yeah, exactly. So, I didn't. You know. But I did last year. And so, I know I got hit up this year. And yeah.

There was a little bit of a change in who's going to administer and run the hunts there. They found somebody else new to run it. And I said, well, let me check him out a little bit. And I think part of this was offered to you. A, they know you. B, you can roll with it a little bit. Yeah. C, it's not super refined. Because it's. Call it changing hands. But it's not. The actual hunt and the participation and who's doing it. You've got to have somebody that kind of knows the gig. Well, and I've been there. So, it's like there's that. They know I know that. So, anyway. I ended up talking to this new guide, Adam Stellar. He's great. He's, you know, got his own operation in Saskatchewan for black bear and white tail. And then guides for several different outfitters for Dahl in the Yukon. And had a lot of experience. Talked to some of my past guides up there. And they knew him.

And spoke very highly of him. So, I started turning gears. And I ended up bringing it up to Ty. And, I mean, I don't know what any other 20-year-old kid that loves to hunting, loves to hunt, is going to say when their dad says, hey, I might have an opportunity to go hunt stone sheep here for you in, you know, a month. How does that sound? I mean, what are they going to say? Oh, yeah. When do we leave? That's what they're going to say. That's what they're going to say. Right. It's like. And they're young enough that it's not like they need a workout program. No, exactly. They can pretty well. If you can mentally make it, you can make it. Pretty much. Yeah. They're running on just push down. Of course, I heard that it's easier the older you get. Yeah. I've heard that. Yep. You agree? Accordingly. Is he going to do that? Hey, I heard it from him. I watched and saw differently.

But Adam and I talk fairly regular. Our offices are six inches apart. The width of a wall. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, we had a quick little meeting. I did sleep on it. Talked to Becky about it. But I just, weighing everything out. This is kind of one of the things I've, you know, done. Ty and I did a sheep hunt three years ago. Kind of a similar nature. You might have said, well, it's premature to go sheep hunt with your son when he's 17, 18 years old. But, hey, I'm getting older. Prices are going up. And there's also a period in these young people's life that they get into college and then maybe get married. And then they just have a little bit more. They got more obligations. There's a decade of, I'm getting through school. I've got a young family. Whatever. Just all of that that gets a little bit more awkward. And then, like I said, prices. Prices are going up.

They've gone up considerably. So, you know. Ty's your only boy. Yeah. I only have a son. Yeah. I've said that, Jason. Yeah. You know, I have my daughters hunt. They like to go with me. But I haven't taken on a sheep hunt yet. And so, I don't have to worry about son, you know, B, C, and D saying, well, you took him. When's my turn? You know, that's a natural. Yeah. Stone, stone, stone, stone. Problem. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty soon. You know. These are problems. Pretty soon. I don't own anything. And, you know, I live in a van down by the river. You do have nothing but memories. That's right. So, we had that. Anyway, talked about it. Price was what I felt was really, really reasonable for it was. You know, we're like 30 or 40 days before the hunt. So, all right. Let's do it. And, you know, fortunately, I've been kind of working out, but not like sheep hunting working out.

But, you know, what are you laughing at? It's just funny. We're going to let you talk in a minute. It goes back to the workout thing. You had a 20-year-old. They're like, what's that? Oh, I grab a pop and I go look for deer. Remember, you were saying, back in the day, it was like two or three days and your legs are hard again. Yeah, that was when I was maybe 29 or 34. You know, Cash's age or Logan's or whatever. Wasn't that hard. A couple of hikes, literally. Literally a week. Remember, we went 20 miles. Remember the Escalante trip we did? I don't think we did one thing. Taking trail cameras in and out. We didn't do one thing. No. We just went. What was that? 2008? What? Three miles up the river. Seven or eight? Yeah. I don't recall. 15 to 20 by the time you're in and around and up and down and back to the river. And about died in the heat because there was no water. But anyway.

Yeah, I know we didn't. It was June and we didn't prepare for that. But I mean. No. That was those days. But anyway. So I ramped it up and, you know, knew that that would be the only thing that I needed to personally do. But anyway. So yeah. Off we went. We, the goal was to go up there because this was kind of a thrown together deal. They had one tag that they were going to offer this year and we were taking it. They wanted to go in three or four days earlier because, you know, this guy, Adam, he had committed to come do that and then some moose hunts there later in September. But after this sheep hunt, he was going to go guide a full season for another prominent outfitter up there, which means six, seven weeks maybe of sheep hunts. You know, five or six, I don't know, four or five sheep hunts after this. So he wanted to get in there early, opening day in both Yukon and BC is August 1st.

So if we get in early, hopefully find a ram, kill it, be done, then he could move on to, you know, everything else. So that was the plan. So, you know, it's really amazing how fast when you have a late July hunt, summer's over really fast when you, when you leave July 25th or six, whatever it is to get up there. It's, it's, summer's over. The training parts are over and all that. We got up there, had great weather. I guess we got dropped off, what, flew in four days early. And the next morning we, we what, Ty, we, we loaded up a little skiff that fired up. You know, you drop you off on a, on a lake somewhere that's got a little, you know, place, a cabin or something like that and a boat that probably hadn't even started in five plus years. Who knows how long. And then you find out if the gas is going to fire up. You take a fresh fiber in there.

Did they have it dried out or do you think just stayed stable or something like that? Flipped over and then, and then put the, you know, little 15 horse outboard, put it in the shed, you know. So it's just in there. Got destroyed by porcupines. But I mean, they, they chewed through the gas. So it was like, I don't know how it wasn't leaking. So anyway, that was one miracle. Yeah. You know, those little holes that runs down to the, you guys are MacGyver and things or getting ready. You have to up there, man. But anyway, so I guess, so then spent the night there in that little cabin, went down and start hiking. We knew we had a big, you know, big hike that day. They, they, you know, Adam had taken a couple of flights once in June, kind of when winter was really, really breaking just to get an overall feel.

And then kind of had a real rough, windy flight a few days before we got there and didn't see any sheep that flight. It was just a bad, it was a bad conditions, but he's like, Hey, I'm going a few days before you guys get there. But that was it. So he's like, well, I just figured we'd start, you know, kindly everywhere you guys hunted last time. Does that sound good? I'm like, yeah, I guess so. Worked good last time. What are you going to say? Yeah, we're here to hunt sheep. And anyway, I don't know, Ty, maybe I'll ask you just so you get a chance to say something. But you've been up there before to the Yukon. Well, what do you, when you get dropped off in a place like that, like, what do you, like, I always think back to like what we have in Utah, like our mountains. But our mountains are not, all of a sudden, not even mountains when you get dropped off that remote and it's so endless.

What do you, what do you think? Hours in a plane. Yeah. And it's just endless. Range after range after range after range. Feel pretty small. Yeah, you feel, you definitely feel small. You get up there and you're humbled pretty quick by the scenery and just the overall severity of the mountains. You know, I mean, it's not. There are no trails. Trailer 48, you know, you get to drive your truck on a two, on a two track road up somewhere, you know, you're. To a nice big trailhead and all that. No, there's none of that. This is bushwhack until you get above Timberline. And then, and then you're, you know, in steep, still steep country. The only thing like it would be like the Frank Church. Yeah. As far as Lord, yeah. Lord 48, you know. Stuff like that. Frank Church or Bob Marshall. Yeah. Something crazy like that. Some of those big, big, vast places. But I mean, they just are endless up there.

So anyway, you feel very, it's very awesome. It's part of the reason, I mean, sheep hunting, it's the places you get to go hunt sheep as much as hunting the animal itself. Is there just the places you get to go are pretty amazing. But, so we spent all day. We start hiking right off that morning. It was a, you know, 3,500 feet elevation of gain to get up into this basin and canyon. And then we're going to go over the backside and spend, our goal is to go spend five or six days up where we're going. And, you know, you have to take five or six days of food at least. Because if you find a ram before opening day that you want to hunt, you're going to camp on it. And you've got to have food for three days to even get to opening day. And if you don't kill it opening day, it turns into another day. You've got to weather day. You know, you've just got to plan that way.

And then we'd regroup and we had to come out and go somewhere else for another five or six days. But anyway, that was a steep climb. That was a steep climb. I mean, it was just, it's just, it's a cow's face mountain. And you get out of timber in about 1,500 feet or whatever. You start at like 20, I don't know, 23, 400, I don't know what it is. But you get above timber line around four-ish. And, you know, then it's steep, but you're not finding timber. And then that night, it was about five o'clock that night, we're walking up. You know, we'd zigzag through this basin because it's broad enough and crowns enough in places that you've got to kind of bounce back and forth. These little ridges as you're going up there because you're walking through the, you're walking up the canyon that the sheep are supposed to be in. So you have to, you can't blow them out.

You've got to see them before they see you or you just, everything's for naught and they're gone. And they're not coming back while you're there. So it's over. And so it was about five o'clock that night, I think. And we'd walk up the valley. And we were getting quite far up the head to the point we were going to start looking for probably a place to camp. And Adam was just in front of me and I was right by him. Pretty soon he just did the, you know, circle, rams, get down. And he was right in front of me. And I got down. I started taking my pack off. And he was mouthing, you know, like they're not that far up there or whatever. He's getting a scope on them and whatnot. And I look back and Ty, you know, he's coming up right there. I mean, this is fast. Yeah. When we're talking about a timeline of events. Yeah. Planning for a long trip. Yeah. But this is, we've been hiking all day.

So I fast forward. And we've been hiking since morning. And this is 5 p.m. that night. We haven't even made it to where we're going to camp that day. But it's right. It's all day long. I mean, it's, for all intents and purposes, the first hunting day. First big canyon. Yeah. And it's three full days before. So I don't know what it is. And what's going through your mind, Ty, the whole thing? I mean, is there pressure mounting? Yeah, definitely. You know, you want to make the most of your hunt, but, you know, you're going somewhere where it hasn't been hunted. And, you know, you're expecting to go hopefully find sheep, you know, to a certain extent. But, you know, like you said. It's still out of. Yeah. It's still out of your hands. Well, dude, there can be. Yeah, it's out of your hands. And it's big enough. Per acre, there's not as much game as a guy would normally think.

So, I mean, like we. You think there should be a lot more sheep. Just like places in Utah where we guide sheep. There's a lot of. A lot more room. That's quite a big game. Yeah. Yeah. There is. Yep. So you're trying to stay vigilant and all that when you're sheep hunting because especially when you're always in sheep country and sometimes you run into them or they'll, you know, crest a ridge when you've been walking up a valley and now they're up there at a thousand yards and if you make a move, they're going to be right on you. These happen to be right in the very bottom of the valley on a green patch. A couple of them feeded, one bedded. So he got a scope on the one. There was one kind of a real light fan in color around, probably seven, eight year old. And then he caught a view of the ram we ended up killing.

I guess we'll just jump to that because we're going to get to there pretty quick anyway. Because pretty much those are the first sheep you guys came up with. He's like, oh, there's one with some color that's pretty good there. And I said, oh, yeah, yeah, I have a look. And I'll never forget this moment. And Ty's going to be able to tell us what he did in a minute. I leaned up there and I'll bet I didn't look through his scope for not even a half a second. I look and I just pull back and I'm like, oh. And I got back. And Ty's right now just getting there, taking his pack on. And I said, you know, mouth big ram, get up here. And they're only like 550 yards. Oh, so close. What's that? If anybody knows the Bronsons. Okay. The expressionate ways that they communicate. I'm sure Adam's eyes were this big around. The arms, your wingspan is impressive. I'm sure it's like. Ty, you're.

You knew I wasn't joking. There's no joke. You know your dad. What did I know when you. What did it look like when you saw that? You're like. So you look through the scope. Yeah, I know. And this is right off the bat. Like these are the first sheep you're seeing. I mean, we didn't even get to you. We thought we were going to camp. We still had half a mile to go. Yeah. We're probably going to. First going to camp even, you know. And they were sitting right. We were planning on camping. Yeah. And I just. You know, I'm looking up at them. And they're looking through a spot. And I didn't know what they'd seen at the time. I'm 30, 40 yards behind them. Yeah. And I just see them turn around. And, you know, you see a few mouth cursed words out of the mouth. Oh. I might have said. Holy moly. Or something. Holy crap. Yeah, exactly. But. That was probably it. You know.

Get up there and look through the scope. And it's just looking right at you. You know. And it's. Yeah. Got it. Got the look. Head tilted. And it's just like. Yeah. Is that picture of that ram bedded in the boulders? I think I've been on my post. Well, it's not even in boulders. It's like on a flat boulder. Yeah. With a big boulder as a backdrop. Yeah. It's like. It's a pretty cool bedding spot. Yeah. How many rams have bedded on that boulder? I don't know. It was pretty unique. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

How long did you take a look? Not very long. I just said. I remember his words just say. He just looked at me and says. What is that? I remember him saying that. That son. As I said. As I said. Well, it's just like. You know. You have it in your mind. That's the first stone you've ever seen. Yeah. Was the ram you killed? Yeah. Gee. Don't. Ever looked at. I mean. There was a dink. Two or three year old. That had. But he hadn't seen him. No. No. There was a dinky ram. And then there was a white ram. And now we're like. Okay. We got to get out of here.

We've seen enough. Yeah. And it could be three miles. Let's get out of here. That they don't. Yeah. They don't quit. You know what I mean? It's just so. So we didn't watch him for very long. We got a couple pictures. He actually stood up out of that bed. And we got a few more. Like. All right. Let's just get it. We've seen enough. We had to back down the drainage. You know. However. What. Three quarters of a mile. Lose. A lot of elevation that we just hiked. With full packs. And find a flat place to camp. Which we did that night. Just before dark. But now it was like. All right. Going to turn into babysitting. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That day was pretty much over and spent. Going to have the next two days now. To just watch him. And. I don't know. We could probably fast forward through those two days. Because. We could make this an hour. Oh. I got. About something.

I got some in reach messages. You do? I mean. Yesterday. We hiked up a big. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe your timeline's wrong. I don't know. We'll find out. We hiked up a big steep canyon. Where I killed my ram in 2014. Found three rams. One is big. Good color. Babysit till Friday. I guess. With the emoji. Ugh. You know what I mean? It's like. This is going to be a long one. Well. Then the next one. Watch rams again today. They seem content. Hopefully they stick around. And then I'm replying. And.

Anyway.

Yeah. Here's some more. What do you think Ty. About. How are those next two days? I mean. It was good. Because. We've all been there. This is when I snapped a leaf spring. And so I'm giving you the update on my stuff. I snapped a leaf spring on my side-by-side trailer. And I've got 30 cameras to go. So this is almost the 31st is why you're kind of. I'm stressed. You're stressed. Because of legality. And I'm having to use a one ton diesel to go around and gather up my trail cameras. Because I mean. Can you imagine Jason Carter having a trail camera illegally out in the hills? Like. Anyway. And I'm like. Oh. My heck. It was terrible. And you're telling me. Well. We're chilling out. Watch that. I'm chilling out. No. Anyway. Watched our. Time or life. Watched our ram again. All day today. That makes three straight days. They move around a lot in the basin. Hopefully we can get a spot.

A spot to kill tomorrow. And then. It all came. Okay. It all came together. That's where we're at. Yeah. It was. I mean. We've all. If you've ever. If you've hunted for yourself. And you've waited for opening day. You know. Deer, elk, whatever. Whatever. Sheep. Anticipation. And you're waiting for opening day. And you're sitting and watching the ram. And you feel like this. How is it going to go right? The anxiety level. Is it really going to go right? Really all you think about is everything that could go wrong. And you try to prevent those things. All right. Nobody skyline. Nobody build a fire because you're cold. Wolves and people. Yeah. Wolves. Exactly. I. We thought about that. I thought. Is there going to be residents blow over the ridge unbeknownst to us. Yeah. And just blow these sheep out. For all three days they would go up in the cliffs and then midday they'd come down that

little green spot in the bottom of this valley. It was a lot of bubbling water coming out of the upper glaciers or whatever. A lot of green. It was the high. Picture the highest green on the mountain. That's probably the freshest green because green's up low early. That's under ice. And now you're at the highest. The youngest green on that mountain is right where they're feeding. The youngest, most fresh. Succubi. Yep. Yep. And so for three days we're like, we knew. We've got to be in position of that somehow. But, you know, if they're in the right spot, they can see you coming from a mile. And there's no cover. So, I don't know. What do you think? And they have eyes. Yeah, they have eyes. What do you think about those days? That anticipation was pretty tough. Those three days were long. Well, yeah, you don't have Snapchat. Not even that. I mean. Instagram. I don't know. Not even that.

Just the fact that, you know, just to sit there and watch them a mile or two. The spot is good ball day. It's just like. Literally long days. Just bugs, yeah. I mean. You know. It's dark for three, four hours. You know. It's like a long day. And you eat dinner. I'm surprised you're not like, yeah, let's go look around. Maybe there's a bigger one. I mean. It was just. It is hard to shoot the first round you've ever seen. It is. But he's gorgeous. Yeah. The picture is unbelievable. We thought. We thought that. But I don't know what we thought going up. You know. When you hunt a stone or even a doll. Ninety. Eight percent of people. Just. A good representative. Legal ram. That's what you should shoot. You know. A lot of places have had. Shoot with the mountain gives you. Yeah. Take what the mountain gives you. You're there. You know. You can't. You know.

If you're not in a place where you can do a ton of aerial scouting. Or maybe helicoptering. And move around a lot during your hunt. And like. You're going to probably move once. During your hunt. Maybe. Or twice. And we don't have airplanes to do that here. You're hiking off. You're going up to a different. Different place. And you're going somewhere else. What do you think is going through your guide's mind? Oh. I'm so glad. Well. You know what I mean. I mean. He actually. He actually. He was mellow. He wanted to get up and over the. He wanted to look around. Because he never hunted either. He wanted to go. He wanted to look around. Because he was going to go back. Because now it's his first time here. And he's learning one. Basin. Small spot. One basin. But. But he also understood. I'm like. Yeah. I mean. I told him. I said. I don't know why. It's the night before. We're going to go.

I don't know what we're looking for. We've got a 40. We're going to go look for a 45. That's basically what you're going to say. And you're stupid. To even talk like that. Because you're in an area with not a lot of sheep. And you have a chance to go. They can kill them. You're going to move. You're wind. They could wind you. They could whatever. Even if you're a mile away. Or a half mile away. So those two days. We actually didn't even go up where we see him the night before. We hiked clear back. You know. Got up on the ridge high. And stayed way far away. All we needed to do was see him. We didn't need to. Chill out. Examine him. Bone scope him too much. We did take some bone scope footage and whatnot. But we didn't want to wind them. Didn't want them to see us. And they had no clue we were there. And then opening day.

This is when you waste time just enjoying every piece of Kipper snack you can. Yeah. And I'm telling. He smoked oysters. He was on me, man. Was he? Did he try to trade you? No. Well, every time I get my lunch bag down. Take it easy. I was like, hey, this dram ain't dead yet. You know. Because, you know, these 20-year-olds. They can just start. You need to make all this food last. It might be 10 days. Well, yeah. You're like, you know, he ain't dead yet. If he dies, we're gorging or so. You eat everything you want. Having fun. But, like, we got two days plus the day to kill him and then the day to get out. I mean, that's about all the food we brought. But if something goes wrong, pretty soon you're eating blueberries. Yeah. Yeah. And there's none of them. They're all green right now. So I was just like, take it easy. I'm like, only.

When we left the tent, I said, only put in your pack what you can eat today. Don't take all your food. That's a tenth of what you brought. The rest of it. The rest of it you leave in the tent? Because if it's in your pack and you're sitting in the spot for 12 or 14 hours, what are you going to do? You're going to turn to it every hour. You don't just get to go to Brad's and get another burger. Or if you're out here hunting deer and elk, you've got a 20-pound pack and you always have more snacks than you could eat in a day. That's what's in. I have stuff in there that's probably been in there for two years. Yes. I do too. It's disgusting. Because it's at the bottom of my gallon Ziploc stuff. You know, I don't want to eat that, but it's there if I ever need it. The fresh stuff's on top. If it's a real rainy day.

I've got something in there that'll make me slightly sick, but it'll fill the void. So then we get to opening day and we woke up earlier because it's opening day. You can hunt. I think it was like six, which is not super early, but it's early for up there. We were kicking around five probably. Yeah, I kicked around five. I walk out and I walk up there 50 yards from the tent just on a windmill and I look and I can see the rams in a spot they hadn't been way up on a different ridge. And I'm like, oh, this is going to turn into a hunt. I've got them. I'm like, if they go over that site, it's a hunt. But we'll see. And then I went over to the guy, told him about a scope. I'm watching him and told Ty. We all got dressed, got up and looked at him. Everybody get dressed. Let's go. And then what happened, Ty? Mother nature likes to. She's mean. Yeah. We had perfect weather.

I mean, hiking in those three days. We didn't get rained on one time those three days, even watching the ram, you know. And that's pretty unheard of up there. It's pretty unheard of up there. You know. You live in ranger. Yeah. We see the Rams opening morning. And, you know, 10, 15 minutes later, it turned into a two-, three-hour ordeal of just hunker down the tent. I'm just. My blood is. He's going. He's getting a taste of what we've gone through a lot over our lives. These are good lessons. There's curveballs, you know. Yes, stuff happens. And you just had to say, hey, we're going to get them. It just might be this afternoon now or whatever, whenever this breaks. And, you know, it's finally about, what, maybe 11 o'clock. There's guys that have seven days of drizzle. Yeah. You know. Yeah, exactly. And we, fortunately. Forty-mile-an-hour winds.

Fortunately, we looked on the forecast, and it actually said it was supposed to clear up that afternoon, which it actually was pretty dead on, which up there, I don't know how. Yeah. That was a coin flip, probably, and whether that was an accurate, you know, forecast. There's many weathermen that are fired on the daily. That's right. Because forecasts are always wrong. That's right. Yeah. It was finally about 11, 11.30. It broke. We were more than ready. And we started up the valley basically the way that we found them the very first night. They can't see you as you're going. Not for the first 1,000 yards. Still up there high in the cliffs. Yeah. We get to the first little ridge in the valley where we spotted them the very, very first night. And they're up there. They're headbutting. And they're actually putting on a show. The sun's trying to poke out. So they've been in the rain, too.

So they've been. Usually they'll just, they'll either feed or they'll lay down, just take it on the chin in a rainstorm. But anyway, we knew that we wanted to get within shooting range of that green spot, right? That was, that was critical because we'd seen them come there three times. And it's such a big open valley and base in the head of this. It's like, you're not just going to walk there if they're on their way to it, or if they're there, you're not going to, you're going to be, it might turn to the next day if you don't get in position before they do. Well, finally, they started dropping down. He says, we're now, we're 1,000, 1,200 yards maybe from them. And they start dropping down toward us. We're like, oh, geez, they're coming right toward us. But there's nothing in us, in our way, significantly that we can keep moving.

But they fortunately hit a little patch of green and bedded down. We couldn't see the one ram and the big ram and the dink were bedded looking straight away from us. And it was like, okay. Oh, let's go. All right. So, yeah, we just decided to. Bear crawl. Bear crawl, yeah. Literally. We got bloody knees from that. Literally. It was like 250 yards of crawling on your knees in just sharp rock. And we're just in single file, full pack, you know, going on there and just doing that. And about every 10 or 15 yards, Adam arrived, looked up and said, yeah, they're still looking away and just keep trucking. We figured if we got 250 yards, there was another little bit of a down slope. You could get behind them and then you could more or less run up the next little rise for another 100 yards. So, we're going to shave 350 yards off and they're going to be close because they bedded

down about 750, 800 yards, which is, we're not going to shoot from there. It's windy. Even though you totally could. Possibly could. But I mean, you just don't want to, you know. So, fortunately, they let us do all that. They let us, you know, get that 250. They didn't stand up. We basically ran up to the next little ridge, 100 yards, got the pack on there, got Ty set up and dialed in. I mean, he was so-so about the rest first. Let's go through your mind, Ty, the whole way. Are you thinking, let's just stop shooting from here? He actually didn't want to shoot from right there. I didn't. Oh, really? They asked me and it was pretty windy, too. I was like, you just want to be comfortable, you know. What gun are you using? Do you remember? 6.5 PRC with a 143 LDX. And it was 450, 480 somewhere. It depends on the rock you had. I couldn't tell if I was hitting.

Because all I could see is the sheep's horns, a boulder, a big boulder I could hit, you know, like 480. I knew there was a little bit closer to that. So, had him set up there and dialed on it. And, you know, if they stood up and went to the left, like, they were going to get out of our sight really fast. And the wind was also blowing that way eventually. Kitty corner a little bit. Yeah. So, like, you wanted them to come to the right more and down to the green patch that they'd been on. And, I don't know. How long did we have to wait there, Ty? I don't know. 30 minutes, maybe? It wasn't long. Really? And you were just on the gun watching them through the scope? Yeah. Yeah. And now you're calm. You, like, realize it's probably going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. It felt pretty good. Or sometimes when you're watching them through the scope, it gets worse. Yeah.

The anticipation of knowing that it's going to happen is worse. Yeah. Or some guys will chill out and just relax. And sometimes even just chill, lay your head down, wait until your dad tells you to get on the scope. What do I do? Well, I made one comment to him. I said, hey, Dad, just pretend it's a cow elk. And then he reminded me, Dad, if you remember, the only cow elk I've ever shot out I missed. And I'm like, okay. 10 years old. And he did. He was like 10 or 11 years old. And I think it was up on the penguins. Those days haunt you. Well, and I've said that to the girls. I don't know. It's just what, or my hunters. I just pretend it's a two-pointed cow elk. Pretend it's not them. This is not your once-in-a-lifetime desert sheep. Don't make it. It's big, but don't make it big before you pull the trigger. And I said, just remember the cow elk.

And he just looked at her dead face like, Dad, if you remember, the only cow elk I've ever shot out I missed. Did you say that? Yes. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, not a good time. Okay. Maybe, pretend it's a two-point, you know. Anyway. Anyway, but, you know, just trying to talk them through like you do with Hunter, just because, you know, it's, I don't know, I get really nervous when I go to shoot. Well, when you. I really do. If things don't go right, you know you've got another eight days to relocate them. Yeah. And knew that. You'll have a couple more shots, and it'll be, you'll be dialing and shooting, dialing and shooting. Like, this could get wild. Yeah, really wild. And then when they go over the hill, you're like. Probably over. Yeah. Yeah. And probably not going to see that ram. Probably not going to be a better ram. But, we might learn the country. Yeah. We might learn this area.

I was all going through everybody's head. So, there you are. You're on the gun. 30 minutes. Yeah. Take it from there. Well, I mean, they'd all still been bedded behind these big boulders, and, you know, we didn't wait long, like you said. And they'd just come walking straight for the green patch. And, you know. I like the cabbage patch. Can we call it the cabbage patch? Why not? It was thick stuff. Like, it was good feed. You know, just that glacier had been coming down, and it'd been growing right there. And, little varieties of greenery. Yeah. No, it was good. I mean, they'd just come from those boulders behind in that last picture, just up in there. Oh, okay. And, they'd just come beeline. Yeah, you can see it's yellow up there. Yeah. There's nothing. And, it's green where you're at. Yeah. And, they'd just beeline straight for it, and he's just sitting there.

Which is cutting the distance? Oh, yeah. Straight to us, theoretically. Yeah. You know, just about. Kind of angling. Yeah. There was three or four shooting opportunities, but, you know, there wasn't an accurate. I needed it. They wouldn't hold still, either, and the rams are chasing. And, they're also wanting to keep walking, so they're feeding, and then they just keep walking first night. That's what sheep do. And, they're trying to beat each other. One gets a little too far. And, I'm getting six different readings on the MOA dial here, and I'm just sitting there on the gun watching them just one click down, one click down, anyway. But, they finally got to the green patch, and I was like, okay, we can just settle down. You know, they're going to stop and feed and take their time. 250? 300. 300, just about. And, I was like, okay, we can take our time.

And, he finally, you know, had to re-insure himself 10 or 15 times, okay, this is the MOA, here we go. Dialed. Yep. Okay, I said, okay, you ready? Pulled the trigger and dropped him in his tracks. That was it. One time. Wow. One time. One and done. Finished up. Wow. Yeah. That's pretty awesome. It was just. And, all of his buddies just look at him like, hey, Frey Lump Lump, get up. Where are you going? Wake up. Why are you going to look? They stood over in 10 yards. To all the sheep, I love how they do that. What happened? Especially those up there. I don't know if it's, they just don't see people. I don't know. I don't know if they don't know what you are. Yeah. A lot of times, like, literally don't know if they've ever seen a person. They don't know where the noise came from. Yeah. And, but yeah, they stood there, you know, until we walked right up there.

And, then they stood over there at 100, 150 yards and just fled. Well, he'd been leading them around all week, too, you know. He was always there. He was always there. And, you know, where they end up feeding. What do they do? Why is Grandpa taking a nap? Yeah. Literally. He'd never been to Tire for.

It's true. Yeah. But it was, so that was, I don't know, early afternoon that day. I want to call it, I don't know, 1, 1.30. And then I just told Ty, anything that's in your pack, better not be packed off the mountain. Eat everything you got, you know. Or leave it. Yeah. Because you're not going to pack food off the mountain. Yeah. But pretty special. And, I don't know, it was pretty neat. I got some good people walking up on him. And just that first reaction and touch of a ram is pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. You know, 10-year-old ram. And, you know, has good color for the area we're hunting in very, very northern BC. Pretty awesome. Pretty special. And then we, you know, had all day to take care of him. Just getting out for life-size. Ty's like, well, Dad, we're life-sizing this. And I'm like, you know. How do you not? I'm not going to say. I mean, like, I wanted to.

But, like, when they said, like, it's like, yeah. He's thinking what I'm thinking. But who's paying for it? And they're no joke. You know what life-size runs nowadays? I know. I trust me. I know what they run. I don't think the price amounts have gone up in the same relation to wages. I just feel like they've outpaced wages. I don't know. But it was just one of those. It answers your question for you. When you sometimes, you know, I've done a few of my sheep that way. And this one just, that's what we have to do. So, pretty awesome. Skinny mount that way. Had good weather. Took care of him all day. You know, didn't have that bad of a pack out. Back down to camp that night. And just ate like kings that night. And the next morning, just everything we wanted. What's that? Just moseyed off the mountain the next day. Yeah, it was steep, though. That's a steep mountain. That is steep.

And now you're not. You've got three guys to split a sheep up. It isn't bad. But it's still steep. And that was actually harder on my knees than anything. Yeah. Just you're downhill for 3,500 feet in about that last mile and a half. I mean, it's just as steep as it can get. Jeez. Anyway. And to add a half mile or three quarters of a mile where you killed your ram 10 or 11 years ago. Oh, that's the other thing. Yeah. Probably 800 or 1,000 yards from where mine literally died. And the same canyon, same drainage. But literally 800 or 1,000 yards. I can pinpoint it exactly after that point. It's interesting. That's pretty awesome. Because we have that here in the States for deer and elk and things like that is the same areas produce year after year after year. Yeah. I tell my kids all the time, like, you give me 10 cameras, 10 trail cameras, and tell me

to go put them out, I would have gotten the biggest buck each and every year that I get instead of running 80. Instead of running 100 or 150. Like this year. I know that the best cameras I had were the ones I would have picked if you only gave me 10 of them to work with. But you run all the others because you're out there anyway. And you never know where something might show up and all that. But then at the end of the year, like, man, I wasted it. For some reason, those same areas. And that's like this too. Yeah. You know? Some of those same areas produce. And who knows why? Just is kind of what it is. Combination feed genetics, things like that. But pretty awesome. And so here we are in the lower 48. So Cash, you got out and about. Yeah. Helping buddies, scouting a lot. Of course, it's still August. Things like that. Right. And we've got the archery deer hunt general going on. Yeah.

And take us into maybe a little bit of your story. Yeah. Gosh, I've just been, I work for an outfit a little bit, guide a little bit. And just been spending a lot of time scouting for elk and focusing on elk. And I haven't hardly touched anything deer-wise this year other than a buddy has a tag and whatnot. And helped him a little. And Corbin called me a couple days before. And was like, hey, I've got this buck I sent you back in the summer. And was like, do you want to go hunt him with us? I was like, yeah. I was like, I know that deer's big. And I don't know how he finished out. But I was like, heck yeah, I'll go hunt a big deer with you. And Corbin hasn't hunted for himself not a single day for the last six years. Yeah. He's been guiding elk hunters and whatnot. And so I said, heck yeah. And we went over there and tried to find him that evening.

And didn't turn him up, but we knew he was there. And went back the next morning and sure enough turned him up. And the hunt was on and got him killed. And gosh, it's not every day you get to put your hands on a 200-inch general buck. No, but what I find fascinating about this story is just the track job and what those track jobs teach you. Right. You know what I mean? And we got an arrow in him a couple hours after the morning. Kind of took a while to get him in a spot where we could kind of have a play. And some wind swirled. And we had a guy in the right spot to get his wind. And he came up just like he did the morning before and got an arrow sunk fletchings deep in him. And it was a good shot. Yeah, it was a great shot. Yeah, a great shot. A shot you would take again. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so anyway, he gets over a ridge.

We all thought he was going to be dead in this bottom. We all lost him in. And they start tracking him. And after a while, they get over another ridge and start zigzagging back and forth. And I was up on the hill. And just the direction they would go back and forth and back and forth, I thought they were just trying to cut a track or whatever. I asked Corbin on the radio, I was like, are you on a track? He's like, yeah, we've been on a track and a little bit of blood every 20, 30 yards. Wow. And that buck switched back and doubled back 180 degrees multiple times. What I can't believe is when you relayed the story, it was 15 or 20 minutes of story on tracking. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was hands down the most impressive track job I've ever seen. Which, I mean, granted, I haven't seen like tons and tons. But I got down there. But you've been around. Yeah. You've been around. Yeah.

You're a good hunter. Yeah. I feel like when you talk about this deer, I feel like it just reminds Adam and I of some of these deer. And we call them smart. They're just getting away from you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. But you're like, you can see where he's thinking. But when you're tracking him, you can see. He stopped, made a 90, a 180, went back on his back trail, went down to the river, through the rocks, up through the, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You can tell that it was a thought-out route and where he was going. So maybe walk us through the tracking. Like, you know, you know in your mind how it went down. Mm-hmm. You thought they were aimlessly looking for blood, but they ended up telling you, no, we've been on it. No, you're not. We are zigzagging on the track. Yeah. In the blood. Yeah. And so they went down over the ridge into a bottom.

The buck went up the bottom. And this is like in thick trees where you think, you know, he's over a ridge. He's going to feel safe. He's going to bed down. Doesn't bed. Goes up the draw, out into some open, hits a tree line. So you're like, okay, he's going to be in that patch of trees. And I'm watching these guys just thinking, oh, this is going to be in that patch of trees. They end up going down the tree line, back out into the open, back down towards the bottom. And this is all like, that's 180, that's a 90 degree turn, all this. So then when they're headed back to the bottom. 100, 200 yards of wop. Yeah. Yeah. And so they're headed back towards the bottom. I'm like, Corbin, are you guys on the track? He's like, yeah, we've been on the track the whole time. And at this point. Those are always things that make you nervous. Yeah. Even though it was a lung shot. Yeah.

Kind of a lung shot, you realize, and maybe one lung. Yeah. But I mean, we've got a broad head in this deer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. How is he doing all this? That's probably adding to the uncertainty. Maybe going to lay down hurt him. I don't want to do that because of the way it's shifting in him. And he's just sick enough that he's just unsure. He's, you know, probably had a lot of uncertainty. Like, what is going on? What is wrong with me? Part of it's acting smart and surviving. But other part of it's just acting. You know, he's being affected by being real sick, too. Right. Yeah. Right. So, anyway, he gets down. Gosh, he gets to a part. And this is when I come down off the hill and we kind of take a break for a minute, give him some more time. And we go back to where there's last blood. And there's, like, this perfect lane, like a trail walking trail kind of deal.

And we're like, okay, he's got to be going this way. So, we send a couple guys that way. And there's a bottom. And it's like a pile of dead cedar. And this buck, he jumped over that onto a bank and then down like a, I don't know, maybe three-foot little embankment into the bottom of the creek. And we ended up finding tracks behind us back on the other hill. But you get and you're standing there and you're like, okay, you try to think like a deer. Like, okay, you're going to go the least resistance. Like, he's this way for sure. But, no, like, he straight up went the other way, bounced out. When he got over to that little top, he got over there and we had a track, like, right on the, like, basically on the road.

And his last track and then it straight up 180, straight back behind, makes a 90 over there, goes over onto the hill that I was glassing from, around into a canyon, into some stuff that's like, he's dead right here. Like, he's in here. If we haven't bumped him out of here, he's right here. So, we go in there and I go across to glass across to see if he comes out anywhere. Sure enough, he doesn't. And come to find out after a while. You know, we go through that, track him through that. And he had doubled back, went uphill a little bit, doubled back over top of us as we were coming in, and went back down the other hill, crossed back, crossed his own track and our tracks back. And you guys, you're dry tracking. Dry tracking. And this is where I was like, this is where, like, Corbin has a freaking knack for it. Because I was following and I'm like, hey, yeah, there's a speck of blood.

There's this track. But, like, Corbin's, like, walking on this. Like, you would walk down the sidewalk. And I'm, like, looking. Part of it is. There's a track. When you're in the zone, it's your deer. Yeah. And you're in the zone. I don't know. It's almost like an adrenaline track job. Like, you're picturing. Hyper-focused. Yeah, you're hyper-focused. And every little indention, you're on it. Like, you're just so in the moment with that track job. Yeah. And it, I don't know, it was just impressive to me, like, being just a guy there, you know. So, anyway, we come back around the hill and we see him bedded across the little draw. And Corbin goes over there and sticks him again. He kind of runs over, kind of hobbles over the hill. And we're just watching, seeing if he comes out anywhere and he goes up there. You skipped over a lot right there. Did I really? Well, it took him a while.

You guys glass him up. He's bedded. But then he goes in there and it takes a bit for him to get up there to where he can make another shot. Yeah. I mean, he gets to as close as he can, which is. Without blowing him. Without blowing him, yeah. And this buck knows we're there. Like, you can hear. Just sick enough that he's slightly tolerated. Just sick enough that he would look back at us once in a while. So, we just sit him down there and he gets over there. And all of a sudden we hear the ball go off. The buck jumps up. And, anyway, Corbin goes up to his bed. Okay, he ended up hobbling that way. He's like, all right. So, he dips into the trees and radio goes quiet for 30 seconds, 45 seconds. And he comes back and he's like, I got another one in him. Like, it's good. He's going to die right here. We've been there. Just a rodeo. It's not a matter of ethical or not. You just keep going.

You are. When you get an animal like that that's already spooked and you bumped him and you've got another one in him. It's just you're just trying to get another one for whatever. Whether it be a rifle or a bow, really, at that point. Yep. And so, he gets another one in him. Radio goes quiet for another 30, 45 seconds. He's like, all right. I just slipped on his last rib. Quartered away. He's dying right here. You guys can come over. And we all ran. Like, I ran over there as fast as we could. Like, 200 yards. And it seemed like we were there in, like, three seconds. Had your parachute cord. Was it lasso ready? Yeah. Ready to go. If you needed to. Ready to go. Not getting up. And so, anyway, we all walked up to him, you know, taking his last breath and stuff. And, gosh, on a general unit. And a buck that. Nobody knew about it. Yeah. No one really. Like, no one was in there.

Nothing like that. Wow. It was just awesome. So, I don't know. Rare. Rare experience. Rare. Yeah. It was awesome. And for a guy that's the day and a half that he's hunted for himself in the last six years, first buck with a bow, you know, pretty incredible. Pretty awesome. Oh, yeah. 32 and a half wide. First buck? That's his first buck with a bow? I think so, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty insane. Hard to beat it. Yeah. Yeah. So, that was really fun to be a part of that and good to just experience it anyway. Pretty awesome. Learned a lot. Yeah. So, yeah. It's a good start to the year. Yeah. Now, I'm going to go kill some bulls.

Pretty awesome. So, yeah. All right. Well, let's see. Bronson, let's maybe a little shout out to St. James Property. Blaine St. James, super good friend of ours, buys and sells properties. Basically lists them. Doesn't buy and sell them. Just lists them. Properties for sale also helps guys make purchases. Does it with Hunter in mind? Knowing the different states and landowner tag programs or application systems, things like that and the value of having properties with the right feed, the right water and that are managed properly or just guys that just want property. They're not just hunters. He does a little bit of everything. Recreational property just to have a cabin out west that you come out to, you know, two, three times a year. It doesn't matter. You know, he's a great guy. Read the website off there, Jason. Yeah, www.sjsportingproperties.com, 855-711-7577. Just a great guy.

I'll take time, visit with you. Of course, all of anything, when guys are wealthy enough to buy properties, they're smart and they use these as investment properties. They're not making a bad choice. You know, they don't want to make a bad financial choice. Something, a lot of times they don't keep it forever and ever, but they're also wanting to find a great ranch or something they can enjoy from the hunting perspective, at least as it's from an Epic Outdoors member angle. And a very avid hunter. Yep. He's killed in North America 29 and still feels like Jason and I get pictures from Blaine all the time. He's still going and doing weird, wild stuff in wild places. Yeah. He loves it. He's got a, you know, he's been around, he's got a lot of perspective when he talks to you about property that you're looking for or property that you have that you want to sell. That's right.

So again, www.sjsportingproperties.com. I don't even know if www a thing anymore. I don't know. Do you have to say that, Lowe? You don't have to type it in. Because we used to do that. You're probably the only guy here to say it. Al Gore. Which I think is good. Al Gore, who created the internet, taught us that. It's pretty awesome. I mean, yeah, I just, yeah. I'm joking. I mean. But yeah, it was, I mean, there's songs sung about it, right? W-W-W-W-W. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know, whatever. You can find it. ChatGTP it. ChatGTP does everything. Although I hear Elon Musk's, you know. Grok. Yeah, Grok. Is that what it is? Now there's the new Grok. They say it's better than chat. Grok is good. It depends on what you want. This is the first time. It's another AI search. It's an AI search. It's AI system platformer.

Pretty soon there's going to be an AI to replace Logan, and that'll be a good day. It's coming. Just kidding. It's coming. AI's going to replace us all. That's true. Right? That's true. Bring it. I dare it. I dare it. I'm unique. There's nothing going to replace me. Anyway, I don't know. That's how you got through school, right, Logan? That's right. Yeah. All chat. Well, can they take away my degree now? No. No, you just have to. No, it's just there's a caveat that anything that comes out of your mouth has to go through chat because that's how you graduate. That's how you graduate your education. It is, yeah. 10% of my earned. Now you can't be unique or else because we don't know if it's right. That's right. You know what I mean? No, I actually, it wasn't. When I started college, for the first few years, it was not as big as it is now. AI was like just barely coming around.

I've talked to college kids. It's like, I'm like, well, so you chat it up? And they're like, oh, come on. Yeah, you know. It's to study for, like this last semester I just did, studying with it. You can immediately get your answers and help you. You still probably learn something, right? Yeah, well, like you can have it talk to you now. So I'll just be whatever, drive it or whatever, and I'll just say, ask me practice questions, ask me practice concepts. Come on. Seriously, I've got like a 45-minute chat log with one where it was just asking me questions. I was getting ready for a final. Did it help you? I got the class high on the final. Wow. Yeah. It was honestly like I couldn't believe it. If the school's like managing it somehow to where it's like if you write an essay in it. Yeah, they have checkers. You can tell if somebody cheats with AI. So it can tell.

Like if you write an essay with it. Kind of like plagiarism. Yeah, exactly. You can run a paragraph through it. It's exactly like that. So you can't. It's hard to cheat with it now. You can't really do it. You have to put more work into hiding the fact that you cheated than it did. Than just write it organically. But yeah, studying with it, unreal. The class high. Do you believe it? I'll show you. I know. I'll show you. I was proud. That's pretty awesome. I know. Didn't you say one of your classes was like so bad that the class high was like 71? It was that class. Was it? So you're the one that got 71? No. The class high before me was 74 and I got like 79. Wow. Yeah. You got a hot one here. Didn't even get a B. You got a C plus. Good job. Well, and then he curved it. And then they curved it. 21 points. Yeah. It was a straight up A. You got an A. I get it.

But at least when I went and stole 79% was a C plus, right? Let's call it a gift. You guys can't take that away. We got what we got. We didn't get what you get. You don't throw a fit. Yeah. And what are we going to do? You know? I mean. Yeah. You guys are too old for the curve. Anyway. All right. Where does that bring us? I think. Okay. So we also need to do this stealth chem. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Competition. Yeah. From way back. Yeah. We ended this at the beginning of August and took a minute to vote and get it all together. It's like August 5th, I think, is the last day or something like that. Yeah. So not so long ago. But huge thanks to everybody that participated in our- This will be interesting. I don't even know who the winners are. No, I don't. Yeah. I just got them tallied up right before we came in. Maybe remind us what we're doing here. I mean. Categories. Categories.

We voted and then people are going to vote after. Yeah. Predator. Unique. Beginning of the summer, we wanted to do a stealth cam competition. So any from the last, I think it was 2023 was the cutoff. So from 2023 to 2025, you could submit trail camera pictures. We had five different categories. Mule deer elk, all other Western big game predators, and then we had a Stranger Things category. So we're going to have two rounds of winners. The winners out of this initial round, the office staff, the Epic office staff, voted on- Blindly. I don't even know where Adam chose. Yeah, they all- We all individually replied to you, right? So we didn't- Nobody could influence each other. Was it an overwhelming? And it was really funny because it's almost unanimous in every category with very little audience. Really? Really? Wow. Like, was I the odd dog here? Okay, let's announce him. No.

Josh was mostly the odd dog. Oh, that makes sense. That makes complete sense. He is odd. The Viking. Yeah. All right. He does everything different. His mind works in weird ways. Okay. So for this first initial round of voting, they're all going to win a couple of trail cameras each. And then we're going to post up these five winners on our Instagram, have our Instagram followers vote on an overall winner. And that person is going to walk away with a tripod and a couple more things. Okay. Okay. So go ahead. Who do we got? For Mule Deer, Calvin Guglmeyer won. He had a video. Kansas. The four-point side. Yeah. The Bucks Right was amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

For the elk category, Larry Staley won. Okay. That was a beautiful six-point. Yeah. For the other category, we had Cash Crandall. I believe he had a couple of sheep. Yeah. And not just sheep. They were like giant deserts. One was really big staring right in the camera. Yeah. I mean, and the other had some ewes and another ram there, if I remember right. Yep. That one with the deserts. That one was a sweet picture. And then for the predator contest, this one was completely unanimous. Jay Gilbert had a picture of a lion mid-takedown on a doe. That was sweet. That was unbelievable. And it was. That's a National Geographic picture. I've got some lions running through stuff before, and it's the trigger speed or whatever camera I have or the light was. That was a crisp picture. It was a good picture. Snappy. Snappy. Snappy. The dust is fluming up. You'll see that. It's awesome.

There were some other mountain lion pictures that were really cool. But that one was like, how do you. He's. He had a wow factor. The claw is on the deer's back. Yeah. And there's dust flying. The doe is. She's dead and doesn't know it. Yeah. You know, in the predator, there was a lot of black bears submitted. A lot of bears. Yeah. And they're very animated. Like bears are. They're just. I don't know. They're the most animated of any of the animals. Yeah. And they're uninhibited. They don't give two craps what anybody thinks of them. They're doing weird stuff all the time. Yeah. Humanistic at times. Yeah. Humanistic. I mean. I was like, I am not going to vote for a black bear. I don't know why. It was mostly black bears that we had submitted. It was. And they're kind of. Overwhelming numbers. They're kind of just gross. Yeah. You know. Yeah. They can be.

Black bears doing black bear things. And speaking of black bear, the Stranger Things winner was Trevin Packard. And his was that video of somebody shooting at the black bear and missing. Yeah. Oh. They hit him. Did it go through him? Yeah. Twice they drilled him. Yeah. So. You can just see the. Whatever he said. Well, he starts rolling around. Yeah. But I think he was shooting from the right. Like the trail camera was on video mode and happened to hit record when him or whoever was shooting from a different direction. From the right. And it goes through. And it hits the bait. It hits the bait. Rolling around. Then he shoots it again. It was. That video is awesome. Again. So animated. You know what I remember? Most animals amber off and die with a little bit of respect. These things are like rolling around. They're rolling. I mean. They're basically talking. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That's right. And then they skin them out. And then they're still. And they do. They look like a dead person laying there. Yeah. I just.

So is that the five? Did we get them off? That's the five. Yep. So now what happens? So now you're going to. When you hear this podcast, the post will be on our Instagram. It'll be labeled 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the pictures. Everybody vote. Go comment. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. So the MVP of that. Yep. Of the contest gets what? Whoever gets the most vote, they're going to win a couple extra trail cameras and then an epic ultra tripod combo. And on your post, you'll post the cutoff deadline, right? Yeah. When you're going to cut it off for a week or so. Yeah. It'll be. Because we don't know exactly when this podcast will come out. Next day. But it'll be a week from the spot is posted. So do you remember what Josh voted for? Do you remember? No. Because I just wrote down the names. I know a couple of mine are different. I guarantee you on the Predators, he went with the Bears. Yeah.

A couple of mine were different on there, too. Yeah. Cash did have a couple of different. Did you? Yeah. I did. Which one did you like? I don't remember. I plead the fifth. I can't disclose that. You know. I can't disclose it. Well, it's okay to have a fave that didn't win. Anyway. I don't know. Pretty fun. Just different. That was cool. Well, thanks for participating. That's awesome. Yeah, we appreciate it. It was good. It was good. Well, Logan will be getting with you guys. You five winners. Stealth Cam. And this is epic. Stealth Cam doesn't give us a thing. Okay. So Epic's providing cameras. We're giving you cameras. But it's just something fun to do. But it's fun to have the Stealth Cam competition. And the photos were submitted by all kinds of cameras. Oh, no. They were. You know. Yeah. We didn't pick it. It was. Yeah. I don't even know what cameras they used on us. It was just.

I was focused purely on the picture. Yeah. Yeah. It was purely on the photo. So, anyway. Kind of a fun podcast. Thanks, Ty, for coming in. What's next for you, bud? You've been out and about. Been out and around. Doing a few things. Gonna kill a buck, maybe. Yeah. Stealthing around. Trying to hunt deer. Yep. And then, let's see, back in school, right? Yep. Starting this weekend. Maybe field some of the little requests. Little honeys. Sending in stuff in the mail. Hard pictures. We'll stay. You know. We'll stay on top of the hunting that's fallen. Maybe we'll get their resume on, you know, what they've killed in life. And bucks they've tracked. I like it. Yeah. That's awesome. Maybe if they own any property. Yeah. Key areas. Hey, just remember. You can marry more in five minutes than you can make in a lifetime. Whoa. Whoa. That's advice from my grandpa. That's a good analogy.

That no one in my family advised. Okay. Well. You can marry more in five minutes than you can make in a lifetime. Love is blind. You just. Speaking of which, somebody said Taylor Swift's got. Oh, yeah. She's off the table. Gag me with a dirty sock. Oh, you're going to do Taylor Swift news on this podcast. I hate that girl. I'm just saying. What do you mean? Who wants to hate about a billion dollars? There is a video. Okay. This is why I hate her. There is a video that's like this lady saying up. She gets some award. She's like, I want to thank this person, this person, all of it. She's like applauding. She's like, I want to thank God for this. And she shakes her head. No one discussed. I'm like, nope. I immediately hate your guts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's a piece of crap. So Taylor Swift is a listener for this podcast. You realize people can change. I'm not changing on that one. Right.

And we're loved by the almighty. Every one of us. We all are. But I personally hate that person. Okay. Gosh. How about Biden? What do you think of him? He's too old to really hate. You don't hate Biden? You can't hate a guy with Alzheimer's. Yeah. I'm going to control over it. Yeah. Maybe it's hate the deep state. I don't want to say it. Yeah. That's right. Because you're. I'm not going to say it. It seems like your generation likes. They just provide a lot of funds for. Anyway, they were going to forgive all the college debt. And the 14 reasons they were buying off the young generation. Yeah. That I would have paid for. Yeah. Yeah. And you would have paid for it. And none of that happened anyway. So. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway, I could. I'm over it. Sorry. This is a good. We're good. The hate. The hate. Let's end on a positive note.

So I want you to say something positive about Taylor Swift. Some of her first music was actually decent. Okay. Okay. I like it. When she didn't own it. I like it. Okay. Now. She owns it now though, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's why I said some of the old stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. Well, I like that. Logan, can you say something positive about Taylor Swift? It'd probably be easier to say something positive about Cash, which. Hey. Yeah. Let's do that. What about Logan? I can say something positive about Logan. Say something positive about Cash. He didn't abandon me on the top of a mountain in Colorado when I was on my neckbed. Right. He's a compassionate fellow. The puking is in your DNA because your dad puked on me in 1953. That's true. Well, you were hiking. You hiked his guttum. I hiked his guttum. And he was. There was a fox following us. And then he pukes. And I'm like, I'm out.

And he's like, dude, it's not even daylight. This thing's following me. It's going to eat my pukes. Anyway. So the puking is in your DNA. So you're puking. He didn't leave you. He didn't. What a good guy. I want you to say thank you. Thank you, Cash. Okay. I'm alive. Say something good about Logie Bear.

It's hard. Can I have a minute to think on that? No. We're ending this podcast. No. Logan's a good egg. They probably gave him a hard time, but he's a good egg. He's always willing to go and film a hunt for you. Yeah. Even if he didn't get the tag. He's a kind. He's a kind soul. And he does care about you. I don't see Logan in a bad mood. I don't know if I've seen him in a bad mood. No. I just don't. I have once. I know. But I inflicted it. I fully admit I get in bad moods. I fully admit that. But Logan doesn't seem to. I've seen him a little frustrated when I've ridden him just five minutes too long. Yeah. Or two minutes too long. He's like, all right, Jason, I'm over it. I have my boundaries. He does have his lines. I crossed them once in a while. Jason's kind of wearing this Dr. Phil headset. He's kind of, you know, matchmaking me. Yeah. You talk to you.

You know, you tell him how you feel. This is good. We can have a pod. We can make a new podcast. Therapy with Jason. Well, I mean. Deep thoughts with Jason Carter. Jason Carter. I am not a therapist. I hear that word too often. All right. Off we go. Let's have a good day. Let's call it a podcast. Ty, congratulations. Thanks for coming on. Good work. Awesome. Way fun. And appreciate you being here and sharing your story with us. And of course, learned a lot from you too, Cash. Yeah. Good work. It's good. Off we go. It's August. There's a big year in front of us. Good luck, everybody. Have a great weekend. Go kill something. Let's face it. If your goal is to kill big stuff, you need to draw quality tags. Quality tags are typically hard to draw. To increase your odds of drawing good tags, you need to apply in multiple states. That's where an Epic Outdoors membership can help.

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