EP 369: A Colorado 2nd Season Mule Deer Double with Cache and Logan. Also, we give away three world class hunts.

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Johnson, Adam. Howdy. Bronson. John Peterson. Cashel. Lynn. It's not Cashel, right? People call you Cashel. The girls in the office do. They do, so I do every once in a while. I don't know why. I do once in a while, too, just to beat you down a little. Cash money. You got to do it. Cash money. Cash money. Logie Bear. Hey. How are you doing? You've been hunting a lot. I'm good. I'm glad to be back in society. It's nice. Oh, you've been back for weeks. Watching those paychecks go out and wondering when you're working is getting old. Yeah, I haven't been working. That's weird. I won't even try to hide that. Oh, you do a heck of a job, even when you're off in the wilderness. I was teasing these two 20-year-olds yesterday that they're the only ones in the office on a diet. You guys on a diet? Both of them. Seems like Adam mentioned something like a meat diet.

What are you on? The Decker diet. What's this? Eating chocolate? Yeah. Once in a while. Every now and again. I used to have a cheat Sunday kind of a thing where we could have chocolate or sugar on Sunday, but what do you do? You just cheat whenever you feel like it. Just whenever I want.

Yesterday he was disciplined. Today he's maybe not. Are you on a meat diet too? No. I simply had a salad for lunch, and I got a cue. It was not the register. You're watching your calories. He had no pizza, no pasta, nothing. He had a salad and a breadstick. Salad and a breadstick. Are you trying to avoid the dad bod? Did you decide? I mean, are you announcing something and you decided you don't want a dad bod, and all of a sudden you're what? No. No announcements. No announcements. I'm down some weight, and I want to keep it off a little bit. I like it. Logan, what are you doing? Logan, what's your excuse? I'm on carnivore right now. I know. Why? He's tried everything. He went five days without eating. Was it five days? Yeah. He ate cayenne pepper and Sprite. Yeah, that was terrible. I may never do that again. The smell of cayenne pepper to this day still makes me nauseous. I'm over it.

Logan, why are you on carnivore? I do it every, I've done it for the past three years after I get done with hunting season. Why? That's when you're probably the leanest. Well, you're actually in the truck eating a lot of trucks. Yeah, I was, we trucked it this year a lot, and so it was, it wasn't a good year. After my hunting season, I feel like I can do anything I want for about 30 days. Yeah. We should update the listeners on your truck saga. We talked to them about, we talked to them about the transmission. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. He's lucky to have a truck. A lot of truck things happen. I think we'll get into that later. A lot of truck things happened the past two weeks. But, fast forward, the transmission's not slipping. Yes. No, the transmission, they did the service. They said that my transmission fluid was the blackest they've ever seen it. They did.

And my filter was almost entirely clogged. I don't know how that works. It was just degradation. So, it's fine? But they said no metal shavings, no metal shear in the pan when they opened it up, which is really good. And he's like, I tried really hard to get it to skip on the freeway after we did it. And he's like, it won't skip. And I towed a side-by-side all the way to Colorado. And it towed like a champ. So, you've got a new lease on life right now. I'm getting it. Let me tell you about my new lease on that Tacoma. Bronson. I don't want to get started on trucks right now. Well, we can talk about that. Justin's truck, so I took it to Tacoma. Same guys. They're awesome, actually. But, anyway, I had some gearbox fluid, you know, basically hitting the driveway and not evaporating. You know, and it's got that viscosity. You're like, oh. So, I get under there. I'm like, oh, geez. So, anyway.

And then the power steering, I'm like, oh, I'm going to look at that. It's full of metal in the power steering fluid, you know. So, anyway, take it down there, Adam. You were laughing your guts out. Well, you just, like, think it's going to be this simple fix. No, the rack opinion's coming apart. By the way, you need new tie rods. Both. By the way, you've got a gearbox leak. By the way, you need a new CV axle. We didn't need the axle. It was just tearing apart. And instead of doing the boot, you usually do the axle. Your radiator was leaking. And the radiator fluid was leaking. And then they're going to put it all back together. And he's like, dude, your brakes are gone. It was like, really? And this is on a little Tacoma for Justin. It's been sitting in the driveway. It's been sitting a bit for all intents and purposes. Put a new motor in it. You know, the body's over 300,000 miles.

But you're like, well, of course you're going to put a new motor in. Like, you can't go buy a truck. That's the taxes on a truck. You know what I'm saying? But then 14 repairs after that. And then another 14 that I don't know about that are going to come up here in the next few months. At some point, you are throwing good money after that. Are you ready to sell it now? I know you wanted to buy it. Really? No, you wanted to buy the ZR2, I thought. Well, yes. I want a small truck. How much? I'll tell you what. You make me an offer. That thing is tight right now. On that 4Runner? Or is it a Tacoma? Tacoma. And it's got a camper shell. Yeah, I'll think about it. I'm very interested. Garnish his wages. Do I have to take Franklin's or Benji's? What do you got? I mean, we'll work it out. Remember that paycheck you said? You were just talking about that I do really good work. Garnish your wages.

A lot of bosses give out bonuses. Oh, my God. This is quite personal vehicle. Deal's off. I like it. I'll be talking to you. It's a brand new truck right now. Anyway, interesting stuff. Kind of fun. What you need to do is you need to list that thing and then tell him it's listed. That'll get him off. Ask him how much he offered me for it. 15. Nuh-uh. Yeah. Dang. You better come with some Benji's, guys. Whoa. I don't know if I can. I'm just teasing. Not teasing. He actually. But that was sight unseen. Didn't know what it was. And before he listened to this podcast. Call him back before I hit publish. But, hey, all that stuff got done. Yeah, it's done. It's a new truck. It's a new rear view mirror. Couldn't be better. Ashley's driving it right now. Working your clutch over. All right. She's actually a really good driver. All right. Bronson, John, we did this fall bonus hunt giveaway.

Just kind of something as an afterthought. Like, hey, let's give away like three hunts this fall. Right? Yeah. And Adam came up with the Yukon doll sheep up there with North Curl Outfitters. And then we did a Nevada 231 mule deer hunt. And that includes the tag. And then two Utah antelope tags not guided just for the tags. Pretty awesome. Gave them. The ending date was November 3rd. And we gave them away today. So, now here we are. It was fun. Yeah. Really fun. Here we are going to give these guys a call. So, who should we call first? Let's do it. Whatever. Who are you going to call?

Let's call the antelope guys. That's my favorite species. You did put your hands on a couple. You did, yeah. Smash three this year. Hey, Sean says he's killed enough antelope for a lifetime. He killed two of them. I think he's killed enough for two lifetimes. You only need one. You need one big one. You need one. But they are good. They actually had sausages. And, I mean, even Jan is eating. We ought to call her and ask her about it. I mean, she's not a fan usually. All right. So, anyway, let's give Russell Shields a call. out of Kentucky. He won the antelope hunt. Of course, you guys know this because we just barely got done drawing their names. Let's tell him what he's got. All right. All for one. All right. All for one. Okay. Here we go. Let's give the Nevada mule deer hunt away. Justin Green from Idaho won it. Let's give him a holler. It would be a pretty good day for him. Yeah. Okay.

I'll still be hunting in Idaho this time of year. Who knows? I don't know. Oh, there's Justin. Justin. Jason Carter and the crew here. How are you? Good. How are you doing, bud? Good. What's going on? This is Adam. You hunting still up there? Are you working? Back to work? Oh, well, I'm trying to sneak out of work when I can, you know, play a little hooky. Got a little. You still got a few tags to kill or fill up there? Yeah. Yeah. Just kind of getting into, you know, white tail time is getting good. We got a little bit of mule deer that we can do here for a few more days over a general tag, you know. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, we were just, you know, we had this bonus hunt giveaway coming up. Deadline was November 3rd. I don't know if you remember, remember that the last 30 days we've been working on that. And anyway. Hey, hey, hey, you're getting my heart rate up.

Well, I mean, there was a check that bounced and we just want to make it. No, no. Just teasing. Yeah. You. Speaking of mule deer. Do you remember, I mean, do you remember, you know, what, what bins you put your tickets in by chance? I believe I had some in the mule deer bin. Probably the sheep bin. Yeah. I think that was about it. Yeah. You, you're the lucky winner of the Nevada mule deer hunt. Unit 231 comes with the landowner tag. Woo!

How about that? You guys, I never win anything. I'm actually excited. I've put in for years and years. There you go. You win today. Yep. Pretty awesome. Landowner tag, fully guided hunt, White Rock Outfitters. Choose your season. Yeah. Choose your season. You get seven days, but then, of course, you can hunt all three seasons. You can hunt archery, muzzle, rifle. They're back to back to back. I mean, literally, you can hunt for, what, three months all the time. Three months. Two and a half months. Yeah. I mean, so anyway, you can come and go as you please, obviously. You get seven guided days, and then after that, as much as you want. It includes that landowner tag. Landowner tag in and of itself. 15 plus. Yeah. 15K plus. Hard to get your hands on them. So, yeah. Oh, man. I've been looking to get a good mule deer on the wall, and I've, you know, I've went to

Colorado, you know, with you guys helping me, and, you know, just, yeah, it's high on the list, and that's one I've been wanting to get on, so I'm really, really excited. Pretty awesome. Well, it's kind of weird making these calls during this year's hunting season and have to wait, you know, nine, ten months or whatever to next year, but you got a good hunt to work around already for 2026, so congrats, Justin. Absolutely. Thank you, guys. I can't be happier. I mean, my gears are turning already. I'm going to have to talk to you guys and the outfitter and figure out, you know, where to land my, you know, I got all disciplines that I do, so I got to figure out when to go with them. Yeah. Well, you might need a new bow, a new muzzle, and a new rifle. Yeah. You can hunt all three. You know I do. That's it. That's it.

Well, we'll be shooting you an email in the next day or two, just introducing you and the outfitter, like I said. Then you've got all the time in the world to kind of select, talk with them. They may be busy still hunting elk and things like that right now. Deer season's over. Sure. But, yeah, got plenty of time going into prior to the draws and kind of when you're going to gear up, whether you do something archery or whether you do muzzleloader in September or whatever you do. The rifle hunts in October, but lots of options. It's a good one to scout in the summer as well. Yeah. You just put a lot of, you can put as much time and effort in as you want, you know, not being too far from it. Yep. I love it. Yeah. I love it. You get three months. I mean, I might have to move to Nevada, I guess. Yeah. Well, now pump the brakes a little bit. Jackpot's not the favorite place in the world.

You're definitely right about that.

Anyway, it's a long ways from jackpot. Awesome. But I just, anyway. Well, congratulations. And, yeah, good luck up there with your deer and whatever else you still got going up there in Idaho. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, guys, as always. And great to talk to you. I did send you some pics of my stone sheep hunt and Astoria wrote. So, John's got that stuff sitting there. And I think, Bronson, you probably saw it on it. I did. Socialists or whatever. But pretty awesome. Yep. Those are good. But, hey, you got a good start to 2026. That's more than I got right now for next year on the table. So, yeah, you're ahead of us. I'll take it. I'll be in the lead for a very little time, but I'll take it. Okay. All right, Justin. Sounds good. Thank you, guys. You bet. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Pretty awesome. Yeah, that's fun to give those away. Okay, we're going to call Brian Newman.

He's the winner of the Yukon Doll Sheep Hunt. And bend his ear for a minute.

Hello. Hey, is this Brian? Hey, it is. Hey, it's Adam Bronson and Jason Carter with the Epic Outdoors crew. Sounds like you're out on the mountain. You out hunting somewhere? I'm working. Oh, dang it. Sorry. I assumed you're out having fun.

I'm pushing the wheelbarrow. Oh, no wonder you're out of breath. Yeah. We got a minute.

I do. Okay. Well, as you may be aware, we had a little bonus. You guys have got to be kidding me. No, I'm not. I mean, yeah, you want to put the wheelbarrow down unless you're going to dump it quick or I don't know where you're at. You're kidding me. No, I'm not kidding. So, we had a little drawing just a minute ago for our fall bonus hunt giveaway. We had a few hunts there. Oh, my God. And, yeah, you act like you know what hunt you want. I don't know if you put tickets in all three of them or if you did them all in one. I did them all in one. Oh, that's pretty easy. You got the antelope tags.

No, yeah. Well, then you know what you got. You're heading to next August. How's the Yukon territory sound to go hunt doll sheep? Oh, my gosh. Oh, I'm shaking. That's where you got. That's what you got. Well, that was funny. I thought, well, he knows what he's got apparently. But if you put it all in one hat, that's pretty easy to decipher. So, yeah, congratulations. Next end of July. This is so cool. Opening day is August 1st. North Curl Outfitters. You know, $40,000 doll sheep hunt. We'll put you in touch with Mac and his crew there. But congratulations. Have you hunted sheep before at all anywhere? Desert. Have you? Here in Utah? Yeah. Did you? That's great. This is awesome. You get to go on number two. Yeah. Next summer. We'll get an email drafted. Oh, my gosh. We'll get an email drafted. This is the best day ever. Yeah. Hey, just, yeah.

Just go dump that concrete or whatever's in that thing. Just go dump it and call it a day. You know? Oh, my gosh. Wow. Well, we appreciate it. Congratulations. Like I said, we'll send you an email introducing you and the outfitter together. But this is legit. No joke. No joke. Not going to. Yeah. Wow. Tell all your buddies. This is not a prank.

Wow, guys. Congratulations. Okay. Thank you. Hey, you bet. Thanks, you guys all. This is amazing. Thanks so much. You bet. Bye. Bye. He's losing it. No, he knew. Yeah. He only put them in one hunt. Jason. You're kidding me. He wasn't buying the antelope. If he did antelope, he didn't even. He was just. These guys are janky. They don't put them in the right bins. That's all it is. There's some people that would choose the antelope over that. That's funny. Well, we appreciate everybody that participates in this here at Epic Outdoors and the support you give us. Without you, it's just not possible. So thanks to all of you. And it's fun to give those away. It's awesome. So nothing but world-class hunts. All right. Well, let's dive in. We got a. We're going to talk about a couple of deer stories, huh? Since we're going to Colorado. The lion's share of. I mean, people. Third season.

Colorado's known for third season. Second, third, and fourth. Fourth, obviously, is the option. A lot of people go second. A lot of people go third. Fourth, not so many tags available. Tougher to get. But Cash, you just got back from second season in Colorado. I did. Yeah. I did. How was it? I thought it was going to start out really good. The day before the opener, we actually got six or eight inches of snow up high and two inches of snow in the valley. You were socked in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I was socked in for a little bit. And then after that, it just turned warm. Melted everything off. Within two and a half, three days, you couldn't even tell it snowed, even in the high country. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Pretty wild. But really good hunt. Killed a nice buck. Went out there. Had a buddy out there for four days or so. Ahead of you? And ahead of you? Or with you? No, with me.

He just came and helped me. My buddy Dylan. He came out. And before we even went out there, both of us, myself mainly, just had a feeling that I was supposed to do it by myself. What do you mean? I don't know. I just had to be driving out there thinking. And if my friend says, I have a feeling you should do this on your own. I have a feeling you should turn around and drive home and leave me by myself. Really? You had that feeling? I did. No. No. I just felt like if. Whoa. No. It was a gut feeling that if I was going to kill one. I needed some alone time. Yeah. I just needed to be alone. A loner's got to be alone. You're uninvited. Rule number one of hunting with cash, he goes off of his gut feelings. And 99.9% of the time, they are correct. Did you really? Did you play baseball? Yeah, I did. I'm a very superstitious person.

I was going to say, baseball people are superstitious like crazy. I am. It sounds like one of those types of things. It is. I am superstitious. I will say, I have killed my elk this year and that deer in the same pair of socks. Who keeps talking about? You are a player. Serious. Wow. Do you mark your sock number them? No. Is your wife taking them? Put them in the sewing machine and give them a little initial on them. A little K on them for kill sock. Number one, two, three, four, eight. Cash right. Cash left. Yeah. No, I have two pairs of socks from Sheet Feet. And one's kind of a heavier one. One's lighter. And I wore the light one when I killed my elk. And I went out that morning. And you wouldn't change out socks. You would wear that pair for the whole season. No, not the whole season. No. I mean that hunt. Not the whole hunt. No, I was switching socks around.

But you killed both early enough that it would just happen to be in the first pair of socks you wore. No, no, no. I don't believe it. How long are you guys wearing socks? The deer was five days in. Okay. If you're a baseball player, you know you can't wash them. How many pairs of socks did you go through in five days? Five. Oh. One pair of socks today. Injured. So what made you pull it out on day five? I was. My gut. Is that when he went home? My gut. Yeah. He went home. And I got, now I can pull out my good lucky socks. So this is what happened. My gut. This is what happened. Today's the day. I'll tell you. I'll tell you how it went down. When you leave, Devin, I'm going to pull out. Or what's his name? Dylan. Dylan. What's your brother's name? Dylan. When you leave Dylan, I'm going to pull out my lucky socks. That's so funny. No.

I'll tell you, and this is 100% truth and 100% how my brain thought. He left on the morning of day four. We hunted the morning, and then he had to go. And then Josh swung by, and he showed me a giant deer and whatnot. I was wondering how you saw that. You saw it over there. Over there, yeah. Okay. And so I hunted the rest of that day, whatever. Woke up the next morning, and I was like, I'm going to wear the same socks that I killed my bull in. I said, I'm going to kill deer today. Sure enough. Walk up there in a canyon. I'm concerned. Walk up on a big knob. I'm concerned for you. You should be. I do not keep track. I don't even know what pair I have on right now. I don't know if they're black or gray. Or black. Or black and gray. That's the baseball player in me. I have a lot of different socks. I do. Like, they're not all the same. Like, they're all a lot of different socks.

Do you know what socks you're wearing right now? I know that it's the kind of sock that I have the most of. I know that. But, like, my hunting socks, I have, like, some Merino socks. They're not so stinky and whatever. I have a batch of those, and they're all different. Just, like, some Darn Tufts, some Sheep Peets, some Crispy. Like, just stuff. Are you, like, a perfectionist clean freak? No. No. Ask my wife. Absolutely not. You act like you want to say something over there, Logan. He's not a clean freak, but he's particular. What do you mean? He's got his stuff. He's got his special pair of socks. No. He's got a place for everything in his tent. Has he got old man routines already? He doesn't have old man routines. He's just got the routine. Yeah. He sets an alarm. You know what they need? He needs about three kids at home to throw chaos. And then this nice order will go out the window.

I don't have nice order. I'm just telling you. Like, I just, I put, when I pack my bag, my socks go in one thing and the rest go in the rest. And so I can just reach in. I know where I'm grabbing. You know what my bag looks like? It looks like a yard sale. Everything is in there together. A yard sale. It is everything. Hey, I had to text Logan the other day to see if I, if he had my missing sock. That's true. Which one? That you killed him? No, it was a different one. Are you guys sharing socks? No. We don't. Because what else gets shared during a hunt in the tent with you guys? I don't want to know. Only cots.

No, Logan's stuff was all next to mine on my elk hunt. And I was like, I don't know where that sock is. It might have ended up in Logan's pile somehow. All right. So here we are. We're in the morning of day five. You're like, I'm on my own. This is what my, I got rid of my friend. I knew I wasn't going to kill him. Did you send him home? Did you send him back? No, he had to go. He had to leave. He had stuff to do at work. But when you guys said your goodbyes, you said, I have a feeling this is for the best. We both did. Like, I'm not kidding. I am not kidding you. Both of us, before the hunt even started, and I told Logan this. He did. He was well in advance. Like a week before. I said. I have a feeling I'm supposed to be by myself when I kill a deer in Colorado. Yes. You literally have premonitions like that. Yeah, I did. I'm telling you, it's the freakiest thing, but they're accurate.

It was weird. What kind of stuff do you tune into? I mean, you're just good at listening to whisperings of the spirit. No, I told Logan, I said, I said, Logan, I was like, I don't want to do this hunt solo, but part of me kind of wants to and feels like I'm supposed to. But my buddy's going, so I'm like, I don't know. Maybe it's just meh. So tell me how much enthusiasm you had those first four days when you knew it wasn't going to happen. Anytime you went out and hiked, and you knew you weren't going to kill. The last two days. No, the first four days with your buddy there, you knew you were just kicking against the pricks, basically, right there. No, I didn't know, but I had a feeling. It was just like a gut feeling. And so the last two days that he was there, I was like, the longer it went, the more I was like, yeah, I'm supposed to kill it by myself. Like, I'm supposed to do it solo.

And so, and he kind of had the same feeling, he says. And so we drive out. This is the YouTube episode if I've ever heard one. What's the title going to be? Socks and Solo, Solo Socks, Solo Sock Buck. Socks and Bucks? Socks.

Singles, Socks and Bucks. We're going to call it the Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger. So for those of us who don't have lucky socks, we'd probably be shocked at how many people do. I mean, I don't. Put a poll up on it. We're not doing a poll. No. I can already, we are not. Post up your lucky socks. We are not. What do you have that's lucky? The only thing I have, post up your lucky item of clothing. I mean, I'm going to put a poll out because I have killing pants. What? Pants? Okay. I did kill the buck in the same pair of pants. Kill the elk in two. Just saying. Do you have an outfit? This is day one outfit. This is day two outfit. These guys are young. They've only got one pair of everything. How many pants do you take on a hunt? Because I'm telling you, it depends on what I... He takes two pairs of pants for 10 days and happens to kill? That's it?

You know, if you go down to a certain Mexican restaurant, you could lose a pair of pants right there. This particular hunt, I had a washing machine, so I didn't have to worry about it. If you have an accident, I take five pair. Whatever. Whatever's fastest. Well, yeah. And lots of them. Catch them on a fence, rip one out. I had three pairs of hunting pants and one pair to drive in. That's what I had. I did not see crying during this episode. Well, I mean... What if you run out of toilet paper and you have to use the top half of that sock? That'd be a problem. You'd be traumatized. You wouldn't cut that pair of socks for anything. Not now. At that point, yeah. Two kills within two weeks. They're proven. In those socks. They're proven. What would it take... Are we really going to keep those socks around forever?

How much blood would you have to be losing before you use that as ways to save your life? In all reality, probably none.

Borg. I'm serious. Hey, I'm just saying. I literally grew up playing baseball, so I am superstitious. So I do think about it. I take note. Just like small note. Mental note. Like, oh, that was the same pair of pants. Those things clog my mind. Yeah, I have no time for any of that. I have no time for that. And that's why you've killed the deer you have and... I'm just lucky to find... You don't think about random stuff. There's probably some lucky things. The spirit's probably been involved here and there. I'm telling you, I pray more when I'm on the mountain than anywhere else. I do please it. Please end this. Let's change this. Please end this somehow. Why don't we go right into the kill? Okay. Day five. So we did. So socks go on. Day one to four was terrible. No, it wasn't terrible. It was good. It was a fun hunt. We just sifted through numbers. No big deer? Smaller bucks?

Nothing big, no. Just ones that just needed a year. You could tell. The next year, they probably would grow and they would be there. But just sifting through. So this morning, you pulled up the over-the-calfs or are they low socks? They're just normal crew socks. Okay. Pull them on. You knew something was going to happen. Did you have a spot saved in the back of your mind for when you're alone? I did.

Was it the good spot? It's where I killed him. I know. But like, dude, you don't put off the great spot until day five, do you? No. It wasn't a great spot. So this was a new spot. It was a new spot. Jason knows. Well, he called me and he's like, well, you know, what do you think? No, no. I said, WWJD. What would Jason do? And you didn't do what I'd do. Although we did talk about this area. We talked about it. Yeah. No, I had it actually marked from the year prior from e-scouting and whatever. And I was like, I should go check that out. And I was like, I need something new. Yeah. And I mentioned it. And you said, yeah, it's on the list. Yeah. But then I gave you some other areas. Yeah. Yeah. So we had went through some stuff and I was like, you know what? I'm going to go there in the morning and see what's in there.

So I put on, put on the socks and I went up there in the morning, got to the top of the knot. I didn't know it was that important. I didn't know. This deer was dying no matter what. But he sent me a video clip and says, what do you think? Of the deer? Yeah. And I was like, it's a pretty good year. Like Colorado's having a pretty good year. Yeah. By this point we knew. And I said, I don't know. You know, you could consider passing this deer. It seems like a pretty decent year. And you were like, yeah, but this would be my best buck most likely. Right? Yeah. And I was like, oh, if it's your best buck, kill it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was a no brainer. Yeah. Yeah. I think regardless, I was going to go in there and try to kill him anyway. Yeah. That's my point. You were not asking. It wasn't even a question. Yeah. No. You were just being nice. He wasn't asking for permission.

I mostly called. I was like, is this how you would work this situation to get this deer killed? That's all it was. And I was like, Jason, this is what I'm thinking. And you're like, yeah, probably what I'd do. I thought you had a nail. Okay. So glassed him up. Hiked in. Glassed him up. Yeah. So hiked in one canyon. Glassed him up. He was 1,500 plus. A little over 1,500 yards. Didn't you have to knock on a door to get some easier access? Yeah, I'll get to that. It's interesting. Glassed him up. It wasn't until like 930, 945. And I glassed the whole. It's like a 360. You almost have a 360 view. Glassed everything. Seen just pockets of does. A couple small bucks. I was like, ah, there's probably nothing big in here. Yeah. But, you know, we'll hang out here for a while and see what moves at 10 o'clock. Not going to get out of here and do something better.

Yeah, not going to hike out of here yet. Scratch my ankle. Rub the lucky saw. Yep. Yep. And so, anyway, glassed him up. In a spot I glassed a bunch of times. And there was a group of does in. Just got up to stretch or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And so he was with two smaller bucks feeding over the saddle. And I watched him. I was like, crap. They just went over to that thick face. That's a long ways away. I don't know. I was like, I don't know how I'm going to get him killed from here. I was like, I got to get up there. And so I kind of thought too fast as you do when you're like, I'm going to kill this deer. You know, so I'm like, if I can get up there, he might just be on the backside feeding maybe. So I dropped down and I stopped myself. I'm like, no, I got to think about this. Like that's, he's not going to feed out into the sun in the evening. Like he's not going to.

And so I decided, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to look at the map closer and looked at it. And there was a spot that I was like, I'll bet you they could feed there in the evening more than likely. If they're fed there. It's shaded. Yeah. It's shaded. It's on the backside. I was like, that's going to suck to get into though. And so I went down, got service, sent a video to my buddy. I was like, what do you think? He's like, dude, I'd kill him. WWJD call came in. Yep, that call came in. And so I told Jason, I was like, this is what I'm thinking. I was like, I'll probably have to go knock on this door to make it easier on myself. But I can, we can go behind the pry, like walk back behind. But I'd like to just go through some property. Yeah. Like it'd be nice to just go through there and cut two thirds of the hike off.

Otherwise I'll have to walk clear around and over some ridges and stuff. And so anyway, I decided, yeah, I'm going to go in after him. And this is the plan. And there's some cabins and stuff. And so I was going to go knock on a door and the gate was way, I mean, I gated four different ones in there. And that didn't work. And so there was another one that was down towards the bottom that would still cut off probably half the hike. I went to knock on, went up to the guy's place and he must've heard my side-by-side coming, steps outside. I'm like, oh great. He doesn't look great. The Rottweiler's coming at you? No, it's actually a little black border collie. Yeah, a little border collie. Comes running out and I'm like, oh, hey, dog, whatever. And he doesn't look too happy. So I'm like, oh great, this isn't going to be a great conversation. I already know what's going to happen.

So I step out. I'm like, hey, hope I'm not, you know, impeding on you or anything. And he's fine. I'm like, hey, just was curious if I could access the forest from your place here and just cut off a bunch of distance. Get your orange on. Yeah, I got everything on, whatever. And he's like, with some choice words, essentially says no. And if I let everyone else in there, it would just be a crap show with some select words along in there and a stern tone of voice. And I said, okay, thank you. Like, thanks for your time. Appreciate it. Like, have a good day. See ya. Got out of there. Decided to just hike back in there and made the hike and got back in there to a point. And it actually looked even better than I thought it would. And I had one or maybe two options of where I could get out and set up and shoot.

And when I ranged, the very furthest part where they had walked over the saddle, it was like 950. I'm like, oh, well, we're at least sub 1,000. I was like, and I've shot 1,000. Like, I'm not going to shoot a deer that far. And I was like, well, hopefully if they come out, hopefully they've dropped down and they come in, you know, down lower on the face. And so I kind of, I was ranging stuff. I was like, hey, there's one that's 840 clearing there. If they come to there, like, I'd probably try it because it's my only option. And so sure enough, like, I get there at like 130.

What was it, like 230, a buck stands up out of its bed that's way closer. And he's just a small three-point. So I'm like, okay, they're starting to get up and move. So I keep glassing. And about a half hour later, I see, coming out of the pines, I see this buck's two-point buddy. You recognize that. I recognize that buck off the bat. Because I was, I mean, I've watched the video. It's like, okay, I've got to watch for that buck or that buck. Or obviously the one I'm trying to kill. And so I watch him come out. And so sure enough, 20 seconds later, this buck comes feeding from behind him. I'm like, hey, there he is. Like, it's happening. And I range him at 847, the little buck. And my buck goes back into the trees and turns around and is coming back out. So I get ready to go. And he's like right in front of the other buck. And he steps out and missed the first shot. Hit just over his neck.

And they didn't really know what was going on. And so obviously you're flustered at that point. Forgot to level my scope on the second shot. Just, I don't know how far canted it was, but I'm sure it was some. And just barely missed like in front of his chest. I was like, oh my gosh, what is going on? You're walking him in. Yeah. The hunter's worst nightmare. Yeah. You could see that yourself. Yeah, I saw that one hit the dirt. And so I'm like, crap. Like, I got to like drill. I got to hit him on the next one or it's done. Like, because he's still standing there. Doesn't really know what's going on. They're all kind of looking at each other. And a couple of the two points start feeding again. Like, no worries. So I jump down off the rock and hurry and look at my video. And he's, I lose him in the scope. Is that when you saw where you hit? Or did you literally saw it through your scope?

I saw it in the scope, yeah. I saw it in the scope. I was like, shiz, that was right in front of him. And so jump down off the rock, quickly look at the video, find him again. And he's just like right above a tree in the shade, hard to see. And so get back up on the gun and whacked him. Find him, yeah. Pounded him. I saw that video. Yeah. And so he goes right down, rolls behind some trees. So I sat there and watched for 20 minutes or so. And then I finally saw his leg kick once. So I knew where he was. And then I could kind of make out an antler and wide under his chin. I was like, okay, he's done. Like, his back is downhill. He's against the log. If he was going to get up, it's going to be really hard to get up. So I watched him just to make sure he wasn't moving anymore or whatever for another 10 minutes or so. And then started walking up there. Pretty awesome.

Sure enough, he was dead as a doornail. Yeah. That was that solo pack out. Oh, my gosh. How did you think about your friend now? I was really wishing he was there. Cash called him and said, I had a feeling I was supposed to kill by myself. But my feeling is not that I'm supposed to pack it out by myself. Yeah. My feeling is that you need to head back. By now, he's home. Oh, yeah. He's been home for a day and a half now. Well, I guess, yeah. 24 hours or whatever. Since he left, you saw lots of deer and had a hunt of your life. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. You know what was holding you back. I know. I know. No, I'm just kidding. It's fun. No, Dylan's my best hunting buddy. And so it's always good to have him. Those pack outs aren't fun. I've done them in Colorado by myself when you have plenty of clothes because it's usually cold. All your gear.

And you have your tripod, your spot and scope, everything in there. It's not like, hey, you can take it back to the truck and go get him. It's all there. They're terrible. Yeah. I told myself when I was going out there, I was like, well, I'm just going to pack him down to this bench right here that's, you know, two-thirds of the way down the face. And then I'll come pack the rest of him. I'll take like front quarters or something. Yeah, do the rest in the morning. And I come get the rest of him in the morning. And so I load him all up and everything after I take pictures and cutting or whatever. And I load him all up. And I'm like, I have to lay on my pack and roll over, do that whole maneuver. And I get him up. And I'm like, gosh, like this is going to suck. Like this is freaking heavy. So I get down to the bench and I'm like, I'm going to go all the way to the bottom.

Like I'm just going to get down to where it's flat ground. I was like, then I can kind of hurry and still like drive home and not be home in the dark. And so get down to the bottom. I'm like, I'm just going to do it. I was like, I'm just going to keep walking. I was like, I don't care if I get out here at 11 or 12 or whatever. Because I killed him at 3.30. And so I had plenty of time. And so I just packed in the last two, three ridges that I had to actually climb over to get around the end. That sucked. Yeah. So. But it was good to do it. I was sore for a few days. I think I pinched a nerve in my neck. But you still came home and started a diet. I don't get it. I don't get this stuff. I didn't start a diet. I just watch what I eat in the fall. I don't know. Me too. Kind of. I watch it. You see it. Because it goes right in my face. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Pretty awesome. It was fun.

It was pretty fun. That's awesome. Cool. You'd hunt it again? Yeah. I'd do it again. Absolutely. Yeah. I'd kill that buck again too. With or without a friend? I'd do it either way. It's more fun with a friend. It just depends on your femination when that comes around. Yeah. If I know I'm supposed to kill alone, no one's going. No. I'm just kidding. No. I like to think like, I don't know, like it was just a gut feeling. And I was like, I feel like it's going to happen that way. And the further it got on the hunt, I was like, it's probably true. And sure enough. I killed some deer by myself. And one time I remember audibly hooting, like, woohoo. And then I look around. You're like, oh, no one's here. No one's here. It's kind of weird. If somebody's watching me now and knows I'm alone, they're like, that guy's a weird dude. This guy's a wack job. My first big deer in Nevada was in 2003.

And I was like, I mean, I'm fired up. And I'm like, and I said something out loud like, woohoo, you know, or whatever. And I'm like, and I mean, it was like, kind of like the echo. And it was just silent again. Just in your own thoughts. You're going to high five yourself. And what are you going to do, you know? Yeah. It's not fun by yourself. Like, it's definitely more fun with people. No, it's fun to celebrate. But it is good to know you can do it alone. Like, there's something about knowing, you know. Nobody doubts you, Cash. No, I'm not saying that. It's just fun. Logan? Mentally. How is it? Tell us about your Colorado. Did you have any premonitions like that on the way? You didn't send your dad packing home? I didn't have a lot of premonitions. No, I didn't send my dad packing home. I was really glad he was there, actually. Yeah. He's got the dinner bill every night. Yeah.

No, he made me pay for everything. Really? Yeah. Geez. He's from Minersville. Well, hold on. I can't. That's not entirely accurate. He paid for, like, two tanks of gas in his truck. Oh, there you go. That's pretty good. That's pretty good for somebody else's hunt. Yeah, but he just paid probably for you on all of his hunt. He did. That we talked about. He gave me gas money. So, it was fair. I didn't feel. You probably had some leftover gas money from his hunt that you didn't give him back. He had fivers. He's got a big, nice 20-gallon tank that sits in the back of your truck. That thing was full by the end of the hunt. It kept me going for a week. Logan had fivers left over from his Nevada hunt. I don't know if you should take fivers from your dad. No, you shouldn't. They're rotted from the inside. Are they? Yes. You've got to tell this story. Okay, yeah. That probably never came up.

Scouting season for his Nevada hunt. We are running trail cameras. And it's dirty to run trail cameras in Nevada. You're going everywhere all day. And so, we've got that little tundra. And it's only got a 20-gallon tank gas tank in it. They're terrible. So, you've got to have four fivers and another 20-galloner in the back of your truck just to make it. And we get out. And he's got full tanks of gas in the back of his truck, the 20-er and the fiver. And so, I assume we're good. And we run out of gas. And so, well, we fill up the tank. And we're filling it up. And he's like, well, these have been sitting at. Well, first of all, earlier that day, we lost two because they were rotted. And so. They leaked? Yeah. All day? Like, they were leaking into the bed of the truck. That's why we have the EPA. People like him. Well, imagine that. Ruining the environment. Oh, come on. Leaking that slow.

It's mostly vapor. And you see some of these guys at trucks just burn up on the road. And you wonder, how does that just catch on fire? Now, you know how some of them. It hits the muffler and boom. Logie Bear installed the light bar.

Dripping through your rusted out bed right onto the muffler. Whatever. So, we threw a little bit of gas, what was left of those, into the tank. And then, towards the end of the day, we're wrapping up and we need to fill up again. And he's like, well, these ones have sat outside all year with gas in them. All year. But he's like, I treated it before the winter, so it should be fine. With stable. Stable. Put stable in them. So, it's like. A synthetic, really. It's like. Okay. And so, we fill it up and hit the road again. And it's not 600 yards. That thing. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Done. Won't. It tranks, but it won't turn over and then. Or it won't fire. And so, we go and we stick a cup underneath where the fuel filter meets the gas tank line. And we unscrew it and let a little bit fall out. And I'm smelling it. And I can't even smell a trace of gas. It's water. And I'm like, what the heck?

I'm like, dude, I think these were full of water. Who would have thought to unhook that? Like, I wouldn't even. No. I've got those. Somewhere in the system, there's a bubble of water. Yeah. And that's when you just hit the inreach and say, come get me. After the comment about the gas can sitting outside, that was both of our first thought. And so, I have those big emergency matches. They're like this long and this thick. What? I have them in the back of my truck in case I need to spend a night. A match? A match? A round gas? What's about to happen? So, I drop a match in that cup of gas we just dumped out. So, doesn't even light. Not even a speck of flammable. Who would take to do that? I wanted to know if that was the problem. That seems dangerous. Yeah, but. I was convinced. It was like this much gas. It's like those guys that run out of gas on their motorcycle at night.

They open the tank on their motorcycle and light a lighter. We'll see how much is in there. I was a safe distance from the truck around no flammable components. I look in the tank as I put this big match in there. And I drop the match and run. It was very safe, Minersville style. It wouldn't even ignite it. It put the match out like water would. And so, now we understand we've got 15 gallons of water in our gas tank. I've never done this. I've never. And so, now we have to figure out how to drain it. How does the water get in? You know what I mean? Well, remember those jugs that were, you know. They condensate. Yeah. But they have to breathe. Those have to. They had cracks and you had snow. So, the snow just replaced. Yes. And important thing is that they sat outside next to the wall of the shed. So, rain, snow, everything. No cap. A year old gas. The way Paul's looking at it. That's $4.

Stable in it. That's $25. He saved himself some rain water. They could put it in somebody else's. Whatever. We could have drank it. And so, anyway, we had to drain out a gas tank. You did. How? You get that big old 20-galloner. And then, you rig up. So, we. And this is our buddy Lane Limb from Minersville helped us rig this up. We weren't smart enough. They're siphoned. And so, the fuel pump is air sealed. So, you can't just open it and open up and expect it to self-drain. Even if you're facing downhill. Because it's vacuumed or whatever inside of the fuel tank. So, you've got to create a positive pressure in the gas tank to push it out of the line. And so, we put one of those car emergency under the seat car tire inflators. And we cut off the tip and stuffed the hose in the gas tank and wrapped duct tape around it. And then blew out the line. And it took eight hours.

We slept next to the truck. It took over eight hours to drain that. How are we just hearing about this now? I do not know. I heard about this. So, it was another truck. You had it hooked to a 12-volt cigarette lighter. Yeah. So, our buddy Lane got there. We had that empty 20-galloner. So, that was sitting underneath the gas line. And then we had to duct tape that air pump into the tank. And then you pressurized the tank. Into the, yeah. And you emptied the tank without touching the tank. Yep. Emptied it out of that just on the other side of the fuel filter. And then I ran to town in my truck and got new fuel. Real gas. A ton of stable and real gas. 91 octane. Yeah. And then we dumped the stable in there for whatever was locked. Yeah. And I did do. I did do 91 octane. Yeah. And so, then you ran the tank dry out on the ground. No. Into that 20. Into the 20. Because it was empty.

But now you've contaminated that. Yeah. But you can't. Well, we dumped it out. I mean, you dump it out. You leave it open for a day and it evaporates. Was the majority of it water? Oh, yeah. It was all water. The match would not lie any of it. Oh, my gosh. It was watered on there. Are you sure these weren't just water jugs? The blue water jugs? I asked him several times and he said, no, my gas tanks are gas tanks. They're those VP racing jugs. It's hard to confuse. Wow. But, so it was not a good trip for us gas wise. Why didn't you just siphon the tank? I can't. We didn't have. I can't remember why we didn't do it. Well, you know how they have anti-siphons in a lot of them where you stick the hose down but you can't get it out. You got to break it off with a flathead screwdriver. Because my dad can't. I can't. There was a reason why we didn't do it and I can't remember what it was.

So when you got that out and then you brought the 91 octane back, did you put five gallons in and try starting it? I stapled the bottom because water, gas, alcohol. So I stapled the bottom and we shook it and then I put five gallons of gas in there. We shook it and then we fired it and then once we knew that it was going to run, it started right up. Once we knew it was going to run, we filled it with five more gallons, five or ten more gallons of gas, 91 and then it ran just fine. Finished choke hammers. Jeez. It puttered a little bit but it was fine all in all. Check engine light was on for a month.

So many questions. This is the best story. But I'm done. You're not even surprised. You know Paul. I'm just like. Too many sparks, cigarette lighters and matches and gas for me. Imagine being a mom listening to this podcast. I mean. My mom finds out. I've got my little boy out there with dad. Bathing in gas of all. Bathing in gas, 110 degree weather, probably doesn't have much of a water bottle. We know how your spare tire thing goes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Holy crap. So. All right. Lucky these kids are still alive. Yeah. And then there was Colorado. Okay. So that's what we were talking about a bit ago because your dad, you know, you bought his, a lot of his gas there, but that got us on the gas topic from Nevada. But anyway, back to Colorado. Some amazing. So he was good to me in Colorado. He did share a little bit of the cost, but he wasn't making me pay for it.

And so I got there a day or two early and started scouting and seen a lot of bucks. Like it was so many deer that I couldn't look at them all and judge whether or not they even had horns before they got out of my view. And then I was having to go to the next ridge and look again at the same, but they all shuffle. They ran in groups of like 30 or 40 and tons of small bucks and does. And then the bigger bucks are trailing. And I texted Jason and I'm like, dude, you need four people here for one tag. You do. Just to look at the deer. Sift through the mast. Just to sift through them. My first morning, I think I was almost 300 head of deer. It's just fun. It was awesome. And I remember saying, I don't know if I've ever complained about having, seeing too many deer, but I was going to complain about it because I felt like I was missing stuff.

There could have been a big buck at the front of the group that I didn't even get a chance to look at. And so it was tough that way. So I was really grateful that he was coming out. And it's hard to complain about seeing too much deer, but it's hard. And so I just wasn't really seeing the maturity, the size that I was looking for. Again, you are second season. A little bit early. Yeah. And the smaller bucks were rutting. Like as soon as I got there the first day, so two days before the hunt, the smaller bucks were lip curling, nose in the air, chasing does. So I knew that it was coming. I just didn't know if I'd get lucky enough to run into it. And then every day it just got better rut-wise. Every day more bigger bucks moved in. It was funny. We topped ourselves every day size-wise. So we saw a bigger buck. Best buck of the trip. Yeah. It was coming every day.

And started getting marginal there for a while, but we were doing it. And the last two days I was there, saw some questionable bucks. Meaning almost killer. Like I stared at him for a long time before I decided to pass. And I just made it my goal that really, like, I wasn't going to shoot a buck in the heat of the moment. Like I really wanted to look at him, know that I wanted him, and not be disappointed at all walking up onto him. And so, but I'll back up a little bit. The second day, a guy that I know through a friend of a friend that actually lived in that unit, he hunted it a lot. He came out and helped me. And we were exploring lots of country that day, and he was showing me some spots he knew. And it was, a lot of that unit is like that clay sand that just gets really, or that clay mud that gets really slippery when it rains. Oh, that's terrible. And it was pretty dry.

It hadn't rained in a minute. So we weren't having a lot of problems except for up high where it didn't quite dry out. And so we were up high taking it easy all morning with the mud. And then we get down low again, and we're on a well-graded road, and I'm just fine. I'm cruising 30, 40 miles an hour on this well-graded road. And all of a sudden, these clay mud ruts come out of nowhere. And I slam on the brakes, and the guy in my passenger seat's like, hey, you've got this road is washed out up ahead of you. And so there's two big old holes in the road. And then on the right side of us, there's like a 20-foot drop straight off into this big old wash. And you can't, you're, those anti-lock brakes or whatever barking back at you as you're trying to get stopped. And this is all, I mean, it's incredible how fast, or how slow adrenaline makes everything feel.

Because it probably, it was probably only 30 feet of slide before, you know, we hit it. And so you're sliding, and he's telling you. He's like, well, there's holes. Yeah. So I'm sliding, and I'm trying to slow down, but I'm not too worried about it. And he's like, hey, we've got these holes coming up. The road's washed out. And I'm like, oh, crap. So I'm slamming on the brakes. I realize I'm not going to stop. So I just crank my wheels all the way to the left and just gun it, trying to get up out of the rut. And I figured, if nothing else, speed's going to help hop these holes. And that's exactly what happened. There was two, and I'll show you. Let's just say you're in the passenger seat, and Logie Bear's driving. I'm out. He's running you off a cliff. I am a good driver, under pressure especially. I can do it. I could be a NASCAR driver. I'm not going to trust that.

So anyway, so I'm trying to get out of these ruts, and there's a big hole, a little bit of dirt, and a big hole. And then they both, they take you right into this drop-off. And the ruts go right that way too. So like it's taking me right towards the wall or the drop-off. And so anyway, we had just enough speed, and my wheels were cranked that we hopped the first hole with our front tires and barely hopped the second. Like it hits the wall and just bounces up on top. And my back tire doesn't clear either of them. And we hit the wall hard enough on the second hole that it just stopped our truck completely. And I wasn't sure how bad it was and how close we were to falling off that drop-off. And so I put the parking brake on, put it in four wheel, and turned the lockers on, and then put it in park. And he's gotten out, and he's like, don't move. And so I'm like, holy cow.

So I get out at that point and walk around, and I'll post a picture with this podcast. But we are, after it had rolled back, after I put it in park, we are, it's two inches from my front end falling into this hole and going. How far? 20 feet. 20 feet down at least. Rolling. Rolling. You're going to roll. It is 100% going to roll. Because it's one of those big holes, your front end goes. How is this guy alive? And my back tires are only this far from the edge. And so my front end goes, my back tire slips off, and the whole truck goes over. First of all, it's a miracle that we made it over those two holes. Because we would have rolled to the bottom if we wouldn't have made it. Second of all, I put the truck in park, and we didn't realize how close we were to dropping off. And it rolled back. Just as park does. Yeah. It's a two-inch roll.

And so it, seriously, I don't know how my truck sat there long enough for somebody to come winch us out. I don't know. I was just, I started filling in that back hole, so my back tires had some room to work with, with the shovel. Filled in that whole back hole, and it took me probably an hour to do that before somebody got to us with a winch. And I, the whole time I was doing it, I was just watching my truck figure in, at any point, this dirt's going to crumble, and it's going to go. Did I pay my insurance premium this month? And I did. I actually got, right before I left, I got my new insurance cards and put them in my jockey box. So, worst case scenario, you know, new truck. But, yeah. And so. It's a near-death experience every hunt you go on. It was. Like, seriously, I could not believe it. And so, eventually, these guys, and a little plug for him, he owns the Polaris shop in Vernal.

So, he's a good dude. He comes along, and he's got a winch on the front of his truck. And he's like, I don't know. Like, if I winch you forward, you're going to, your back tire is going to fall into the cliff. And I'm like, well, I think I can get out. I've built myself enough room with this shovel. I just need you to keep pressure on it so I don't roll back when I put it in drive. That's the only thing I was worried about. And so, he pressured it up, or tensioned it up, and I put it in drive, and I did six inches forward and back, and just 45-point turned until I had enough room to get around. With him hooked on, that if you go. Yeah. He was just keeping tension. He goes as well. Yeah, exactly. He had a big old power stroke, so he was not. I could fall off that cliff, and it probably wouldn't move it. Okay. But, yeah.

So, just six inches at a time until I had enough clearance to get around those holes. And I'll post pictures, but they don't do it justice. It was. It's Colorado. The residents, they'll take Jeeps in places. Right. For a cow. Yeah. For a cow elk. I mean, it's an adventure. They do some hard roads down there that I don't know if I have the toughness to do. Yeah. But, yeah, you can race NASCAR. I could. Per capita, they don't drive as many side-by-sides in Colorado as they do Utah. Mm-mm. They use rigs and Jeeps. Well, there's a lot of roads that are vehicle-only. Yeah. You know, they don't want UTV or ATMs. Yeah, but they don't believe. Yeah. They use willies and old Jeeps. Oh, the lines of vehicles headed right now to Colorado from California and Texas. Towing Jeeps. Not Utah. We don't go to Colorado. No. But are amazing.

Vehicles coming into Colorado right now from Texas, California, and Utah. I saw trucks. I saw trucks. We're not friendly to our trucks, as you've heard. But I saw trucks in places they should not be. Yeah. And just Jeeps. So, let's get to the kill. All right. So, like I said, every day was getting better. And we knew what was going to happen. I just, I would really like my dad to have been there. He had to leave a day or two early for work. And I didn't have the same feeling Cash did. Don't lie about this. No, I didn't. I really wanted to kill with my dad there. I'm saying, don't lie about this story. I know the real story. Oh, jeez. So, don't lie. I'll call you out. I don't think I can lie. Nothing. It was really clean.

So, 14 shots later.

That was last year. We've now got copper deposits. In the earth. I shot a box and change last year. So, 20 some odd bullets. I don't know if I should admit that on the air. But I did. One? Yes. Where? Colorado? Oh, I told him he can't lie. The Colorado deer? Last year. Yeah. So, I probably might delete that. But we'll see. He swung some lead. Yeah. Which buck was this? His buck last year that he killed. A typical buck that. Oh. Yeah, my tripod with the inline. Wind and crap. 20 some. 22. 1,500 yards. 22. $78. Did you re-barrel it? No. Is that what it ended up being? It was 22 rounds? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. But, okay, I did sight it in halfway through. I went and shot it at a rock to make sure I was on. So, minus three from the deer. No, I'm saying just at the deer. How many did you shoot? 19. Oh, my gosh. And I got crapped one year for shooting 10. I'm deleting this whole five-minute text.

I don't even have stories compared to Logan. I don't think you need to, but there's some times that I leave the truck with four rounds. You know, three in it and one in my pocket. I've got two boxes of ammo in my pack at all times. Oh, my gosh. 40? You never know what's going to happen. I did not. The most I've ever packed is seven. That's crazy. That's not enough security for me. Holy. I backpack on a sheep hunt with about 12 rounds. What? Let's just. Backpack. 12 rounds on a backpack? Well, you might need to walk one in, Logan. Yeah. I mean, I have three in the gun, one in each pocket, so they're not jingling each other. A couple on the side bands of your. 12 on that thing underneath my. Or six on that thing in the vinyl harness. And that's. Yeah. In case people have forgotten since last year, I had four stocks on that deer that I shot at him with. That's true. That's five.

It wasn't five rounds of pops. Five rounds of pops. One sitting. It wasn't 20 in one sitting. It was. I had four stocks. That door gave me four chances. Four different days. And they were all terrible, which is my fault for taking the shot. But they were. Okay. All right. So, yeah. I like this. Keep it in. You're fine. So, now we're going. Now. Okay. Fast forward to 2025. I did a lot of practicing between now and then. Cash can attest. I got a lot better at shooting. He gave me some tips. This is where Logan can't lie. I'm going to call him out. So, yeah. We went to the gun range the day before. He gave me some nice tips we'll talk about in a sec. So, yeah. We had been seeing the deer congregate in these burns. They love these cedar trees that broke into burns and they go back in the cedar trees. So, we were just keeping our eye on those. And it's huge country.

So, we were just covering them all, glassing and moving and glassing and moving because they were up all day rutting at this point, even the bigger bucks. And, yeah. We're just going down this road and we come up to this burn and we get out and we're glassing it. And my dad's like, holy cow. I got a big buck. And I was getting frustrated with him at this point because he would see horns with at least two splits and he would say, get your gun. Like, I got a buck. And so, I didn't even move when he said that. I just kept on glassing because I'm like, you have cried wolfed me so many times this trip. When you say two splits, what do you mean? Like two splits, not like four. Like a four point? Yes. Okay. Sorry. He'd see a four point and immediately like, get your gun, which might be a good strategy, but I was just frustrated. Paul's excited. I love it. I love it.

Because I didn't even move from my glasses. I'm sitting in my glasses and I'm like, you think I should shoot that one? And he's like, yes. And I knew at that point that he was serious. Did you see the deer now? No. I had no idea where he was looking. And so, at that once he said, yes, you should shoot it. I'm like, okay, I better look at this thing. And I turned my spotter and get it on the phone scope. And I could just see he's tall and he's mature and he's pretty much what I want. One of the better deer you've seen. A solid four. Easily the best deer I've seen. And it wasn't even a question. And we only had two days left at this point. And so, yeah, I'm like, holy cow, yeah, we better shoot him. You in range? Yeah. So, I ranged him real quick and I was 6'20". And so, my dad's setting up the phone scope and all the optics and I'm getting my gun set up.

And didn't you say your dad earlier in the podcast, you were like, my dad was having to go home and I wished he would have been there? Yeah. So, this was his last day. I was hoping to kill while he was there. Okay. This was his last full day. He was going to hunt the morning with me the next day. Okay. So, I'm tracking a little bit better. Yeah. Because for some reason I was thinking you were sending him off. No. And unlike Cash, I was wishing he could have been there. Yeah. He had to leave two days before ending day. You were just thinking in your mind, I really want to kill while he was there. Yeah. Because it was getting down to the wire. This was pretty much my last evening with him. Okay. And so, yeah, he gets the optics set up. I get my gun set up. And we know this is going to be a show. How many rounds are laid up? I'm going to help walk this in.

How many rounds are laid down on the road? I had both boxes out and open. You did not. I opened the one box.

I'm not messing around. He's ready. And based on my history, that's how he should have been. We are ready to go to work. My dad couldn't stand that I'd been shooting prone to practice long-range shooting. Why? He doesn't like it. What? What does he shoot? Sitting. Standing? Sitting. Free hand. Yeah, free hand 1,000 yards. Like back up against a tree like a Cullen and a Coyote. Yeah, like your Coyote stand. Just sit. Like you're sitting on sticks. Sit Harris bipod up to your chest. Well, I like that stuff. And it's good. It's probably the most practical, but it's not past 500. No, you shouldn't do it past 500. And so I'm on the clamp on the tripod. And I'm getting the epic rifle. Yeah, and I'm getting it dropped in. And I feel pretty good about it because I'm 620 at this point. And anyway, this just surprised me because he's like, dude, there's a big flat rock right there,

10 yards in front of me. He's like dropped down and prone out on that. And it seriously was like they couldn't have made a better platform at the range out here. And so I run forward 10 yards. I'm 6'11 at this point. There's tender mercies throughout this hot time. Yes. It was my time to kill. And so, yeah, I dropped down 10 yards ahead of him. Prone out. Rearranged. I'm 6'11. Got your box of bullets. Yeah, got my box of bullets. Water. Water bottle. Yeah, just in case we're going to be there in a minute. Might be there a while. I got some barrel blaster to clean it out halfway through. Got a PB&J laid out there on the rock.

Anyway, so I prone out and I get him dialed in. And Cash, before I went on my hunt, we went and did another practice at the shooting range. And I left my safety on and I was sitting on the bench and I flinched when I pulled the trigger. I have to preface this. I've never seen someone flinch so hard in my life. It was so funny. It was a teaching moment then. You're going to save so much money in shells if you can learn how to not do that. So he had missed one. He's like, oh, I pulled that one. I was like, okay. Like, everyone pulls now and again. So I have it recording on my phone. And I'm like, I'm just going to watch him. Like, just see what he's doing. Sure enough, he's in there. And everyone can't see this, but I'm not kidding. It was a whole body convulse. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. A little defense for me.

The .243 that I bought from Adam, seriously, a slight wind will set that trigger off. It is the lightest trigger I've ever had. And I hadn't shot my 7mm very many times since I've been shooting with my .243. And so when I left my safety on, I'm waiting and I'm just trying to figure out when this trigger pulls. And then it's not going. And I'm like, how hard do I have to pull this thing? And so I crank a little bit extra. But I did flinch. But that's why it was so bad because I was pulling hard wondering what was wrong with this trigger. So I stopped and I'm like, Logan, whoa. I was like, slow squeeze. So every shot he took after I'm like, slow squeeze before he's doing it. He said it a thousand times. And at a thousand, he hit a clay pigeon. So it worked. Awesome. And so anyway, I'm thrown out on this rock, 600 yards, 10.25 MOA on the dot.

And I cash his voice is in my head, slow squeeze, slow squeeze. And so I just let that thing just barely come off. And boom, right through both shoulders. And that thing wheel barrels down and he goes about 20 yards and he kicks and he's done. Dude. And so, you know, put your box of bullets back together. Averaging out my last years in Colorado, 10 bullets per deer. Not too bad. It's getting better. Averaging out. Next year we might be down to six. We've only got five years before that drops below three. Back to a normal range. You've got to keep it one to two rounds. We had a Swarovski shooting event. And so you've got some of the better shooters that sell optics and whatnot, competitions and stuff. The guy that was there that did a little presentation is the coach of Team USA. Was this the last one? No way. No way. He was there and had his personal rifle there. Wow.

Guess what his trigger set at. Is it heavy? Uh-uh. I bet it's like half a pound. 0.6. One ounce. Wow. One ounce. You could breathe on that thing. Yeah, he said that thing will feel like it's 10 pounds. He said when you're set in. When you're under pressure. Yeah, he says they'll have their little health watches. And those, you know how they remind you to get up and walk around as you're dying? Or you're not breathing. Or your heart's stopped. Reminds you. Their watches will go off. He says when we're ready. And he says when we're sitting down there and he says when you're trying to get that thing to go off just right, he says it'll feel like 10 pounds. Wow. That's crazy. When you're used to it like that. One ounce. That's crazy. You got to do some serious shaving of a trigger to get that. I don't think they shave. I think they. It's probably just the trigger. It was a 7. No, it was a 6.5.

Wild cat. It was wild. It was wild. It was a 7 out of a 6.5 case, I think. It was kind of odd. Yeah. And it was a short action, but it was a long bullet. And so you couldn't. You fed him singly. High B.C. No Magnus magazine. Yeah, you fed him. No Magnus. Yeah, you fed him singly. But it would eject. Anyway. That's cool. Yeah, it was really cool. It was cool. You'd be amazed at what one mile an hour of wind does. Yeah. At 1,000. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. We had it. And we watched it. It was wild. Jeez. Anyway, just kind of. Logan. Good job. Way to come through. Way to. Think of Cash as words in your mind. I could hear it. Seal the deal. He told me that, and I was like, that's a proud dad moment for me. I'm just. I'm getting him ready. Thanks, dad. When he told me, he's like, your voice was in my head. I said, that was my goal. That's all I could hear.

And he annoyed the crap out of me that day. He said it 1,000 times. But it was well worth it. I'll never forget it. Every time I shoot, it'll be in my head. It worked. That was my goal, to bug you that day. So when you were in crunch time, it worked. It worked. That was perfect. So great buck. You'd love to hunt. You'd go again. Yeah. You guys are. Tons of deer. Yeah. That hunt was fantastic. Awesome. Any opportunity I got to go back, I'd be there. Yeah. But Colorado's great that way. The only thing I don't like about hunting Colorado deer is they're so big, you walk up on them, and sometimes you doubt yourself. Because you're watching this buck. Big body. Big body. And you know what's going on. Yeah. And so I'm walking up on it, and anyway, I called my dad, because he was walking me in, and I'm like, dude, I don't know if we should have shot this thing, because its

horns are right up against its body and its neck, and he was rutting hard. It's a big old giant neck. And finally, I get him propped up and look at it, and I'm like, oh, never mind. We're good. But that initial shock of walking up on a ginormous bodied deer, don't let it fool you. We passed bucks we shouldn't have passed. Yeah. Just because they're Colorado bodies. Yep. I did last year. Coming from Utah and Nevada. Geez. Yeah. Pencil neck. I don't know. Pencil neck desert dwellers. You're looking at coos deer with mule deer horns on them, and then you go to Colorado. They're prepared for a winner. Four. Four winners. Yeah. All right. I'm done with this podcast. Are you guys done? My mouth's dry. John, you got something else? No, it was good. I mean, this one was enjoyable. Logan, I don't know how you're alive, really.

If you've done this throughout your life, some of the things you've just told us today. You've got like five hunting seasons. What I just want is Logan, when he's 50 years old, to go back and listen to these podcasts. Back when he was a younger guy. I could find a life-threatening experience from every single adventure I've gone on with my dad. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. It's always something. Common denominator. Yeah. I mean, when you take a match that's as big as, what do you think? A limb. One of those firework lighting matches right there. Yeah. A sparkler. Yeah. Yeah. And you knowingly put it in a gas can. To see if it worked. Just to see if it worked. It was a paper cup with a quarter inch of gas in it. You guys are making me sound like I'm setting off thermite in the wilderness. Logan's out there just committing arson.

I mean, when he's using words like emulsification and stuff, you know he's been deep diving. Me and the guy at Ace Hardware had a chemistry lesson. All right. I'm out, John. Well. Do we have anything else? I think there are. Everybody go to Colorado. Yeah. Go to Colorado. Got another crop of guys. Go to Epic Outdoors store. Check out some optics. If you want to buy some optics, we have the best prices out there, no question. We have a great inventory, actually. We've been building our inventory. And even if we're not in the office personally, we have people that are. Yeah. Buy them online. Buy them online. Or you can call in and visit with us. And if you're going to Colorado and you bring bucks home, send your pics to us at photos at epicoutdoors.com. It's that time of year. Share them with us. Tag us in your Instagram pics. We want to see them. You bet. All right.

So as we're finishing this podcast, we did have a guy write in. I'll just keep his name in on him. A super good guy. Anyway, he said, just got done listening to you guys' last podcast. I was thinking for your next podcast giveaway, you should do a father of the year giveaway. Do something for us poor old dads that can't get a tag, but we've been around our kids all over the place helping them fill their tags. Have everyone post up their kids as animals from this year or something like that. Yeah. That's a great idea. You like it? Yeah. Do it. What do you think, Johnson? Like this year's kids kills, you want within the last two years? Just this year. I don't care. I don't mind. Maybe two years. Yeah, two years. 2024 or 2025. Two years. And what do they do? Tag us? So yeah, post it up on your Instagram. Make sure you're not private. Tag Epic Outdoors.

A picture with you and your kid or just your kid, if that's all you got, with their trophy photo. And then tag Epic Outdoors and use hashtag Epic Father of the Year. This will be a random drawing for everyone that participated. The size doesn't matter. Yeah. And the key entry is hashtag Epic Dad of the Year, right? Yeah. Dad of the Year. Epic Dad of the Year. Okay. We better go look and see if that hashtag's taken. But anyway. But if they tag us and do that, I'll be able to filter it. We'll know whether it's ours. We'll get them all. Epic Dad of the Year and then tag Epic underscore hunts. And we'll have it. And we'll go from there. We're going to give away what? What do you think, Bronson? Let's do it. Tripod kit. Epic Ultra tripod kit. Legs and pound head. You know, $500 value. Awesome. Perfect. I picked out of the Year fewer than 100 pulse. Okay. This is perfect. Let's do it up.

You got the deal. We'll do it. We'll pull the name by the next podcast. What do you think? End of November. I don't know. We got a lot of hunting to do right now. Should we let hunts finish out this year? We got a lot of hunting in November. A couple seasons at least. Yeah, let's do end of November. You think? Well, a lot of us are out most of that time. All right. All right. I'm with you. You're going to probably have another couple kids kill stuff, Carter. You got entries. Can I participate? Yes. Yeah. Because good grief. You can participate. You can't win. One per dead animal that a kid shoots. You got handfuls. Do you remember that Tacoma that I fixed? Yeah. I mean, just allocate the money to gas, water and gas, whatever.

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