EP 400: Epic Highs, and Epic Lows

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter and the rest of the crew right here, except for Adam Bronson. So it's normal to say Adam's out in the field. We've been out in the field like crazy. Devin, you're here. I'm here. That's all that matters. Except for Wyatt. Wyatt, you're here. I'm here too. That's also all that matters. Cash, you made it home. I made it home. This is kind of interesting. Can't wait to go over that. Sorry. Your life's not yours. We get to talk about everything. It's fine. That's fine. That's fine. I'm fine. Nobody can beat me up more than I've already beat myself. I will say that. No matter what anyone says. I think the lessons you've learned, somebody else could learn without doing them. You know what I mean? Yeah, probably. Yeah. So we're going to try to help them. We're going to help someone today.

And anyway, I'm just going to give everybody a little hope because I suck too out there. Devin's going to give us a lot of hope. Because he's Mr. Automatic. Oh, Devin's like. There's a reason I've nicknamed him Mule Deer Devin. It's stupid. For good reason. Is that your nickname? I don't think so. Mule Deer Devin? It is. There's been one person calling me that and he's sitting right there. It's me. I was calling you the goat. It doesn't really. He's an antelope slayer, man. The goat. The antelope guy. Honestly, I should have been an antelope guy. Seriously. You throw those things on your back and you're just gone. You're out of there. And you're usually on flat ground. That's true. And usually a truck. Pretty close. And you. Really close. Within a few hundred yards. You need a lot of sunflower seeds. You don't. You're not an antelope guy if you don't have powder burns on your hood. True.

Yeah, that's true. That's something I would have to deal with.

As you're now being investigated, people are taking samples off your hood.

I only know one person in this room that had bullet holes in their truck. Whoa. Uh-oh. I don't even know who that is. That was when I was a kid. That was in a former life. Did you have one? Did you have a bullet hole too? Now you know two.

Yeah, you spoke too soon, boss. Oh, that's so funny. It was not my fault. It was not my fault. Wyatt, go first. I'd like to say it wasn't my fault either.

All right. These are two stories I have not heard. Either one of them. I didn't know Wyatt that good one time. We went on a trip somewhere, and I was kind of eyeballing his truck. And, dude, it was full of holes. Was it? Like he'd been with the cartel a day or two or something. Full of holes. There wasn't? It was like Swiss cheese. There was one hole. I was like, dude, have you been in a shootout? Like, what happened here? And over here. What about this one? Was there a perfect round hole? This one looks like it hit sideways, maybe a ricochet. Little notch out of the groove of the hood. I don't know how it got there because you can't shoot from the hood of a truck. Not your that truck either. You'd have to be a tall, large person. I just don't know how it got there.

That's not true. You know where you go for lying. I'm not lying. I'm just not. Fully trespassed. Fully trespassed.

The statute of limitations is up, Wyatt. We're good. I actually own, I have a spring bar tent I've used forever. Yeah. And it has a hole through and through. Perfect round. At this level. Yeah. Geez. Both sides. Kind of like it was burned with a match or something. It's a bullet hole. It is. Somebody shot through it. Could you imagine? It would happen. I bought it used and it was like that. Geez. No wonder they sold it. At least somebody got killed. Was this from the same gal that you bought them propane bottles from or bought a guy for them? I bought some from my neighbor the other day. You did? Yeah. Geez. But no. But we let you off easy on the hole in the truck? Wyatt. If you're not going to tell, I'm not telling you. You were first. Just saying. Yours is the statute of limitations. Is this? Oh, no. I'm fine. I mean, you can tell. I'm thinking fast.

Who am I going to throw into the bus right here? Let's just say it wasn't me, but it was a really good friend of mine. He's been on this podcast. Maybe I'll give it another clue next week. Pretty much know who it is. Oh, man. Let's just say it was a coyote. There was a coyote involved. 22-250 with a pound and a half trigger. Oh.

And I wasn't in the truck. It wasn't even me. It just wasn't used to my gun. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Let's see. We might need to erase that.

Everybody's safe. We're talking about things 20-plus years ago. It's fine. No biggie. That bullet ripped down through the glove box and blew up in the mold. It was a 98 Chevy. And you know how in the back behind the glove box they would have like the duct for reading and air? Yeah. Yeah. A little hole in that. And I'm like, what am I going to do with this? Duct tape never works good. It was fine. No problem. Nothing more permanent than duct tape. No problems. Went forward. And then I went to the dealership. I'm like, I need a new glove box. And they're like, why?

What's this?

No more questions. They knew. Wasn't it good? I bet they see it all the time. Yeah. Nobody harmed. Lessons learned. Best truck you've ever owned and sent it down the road.

Did send it down the road. Probably wasn't the best I ever owned. John has it. I've got that one. Yeah. John has it. It has been pretty good. Logan, he's got the best truck I ever owned. Tacoma. Five grand. How can you go wrong? Those things are worth 50. What about Chris's old Tundra? Yeah. Yeah. No joke. That was the best truck I ever owned right there. All right. So moving right along. Let's see. Hunts are in progress. But before we get started, I guess, just kind of a shout out to Epic Optics. We've been selling optics like crazy. We're keeping everything updated. You can buy them online. You can buy them through the app, John. How's that going? Buy them through the app. Awesome. People are using it like crazy. It's just easy. You're in the app. It's got your account. So do you have to be a member to have the app? Or you can download the app and go to the store without being a member?

Yeah. It's like a free membership. You can use the app for the store. You can do your own trophy room in the app. You can use that. Okay. A few things like that. But there's like all the fun little gadgets are locked until you're a member of Epic Optics. Yeah, the real deep research is locked. Draws. Right. Magazines. But, you know, who knows? We might open up a state or something for a little preview. Or who knows? Or something like that. Yeah. But generally speaking, members of Epic Outdoors, for $150 a year, you get the publication. It's monthly, December through June. By month for the remainder of the year, nine issues a year. And then you have unlimited access to the app, which is all the interactive odds and things like that. Yeah. Pretty awesome. It's been going good? It's been going really good. Have you had any feedback or anything like that?

I know you guys had beta testers and things like that. Yeah. Just very positive. The rollout went phenomenal. Are you still throwing out like this trophy? Yep. This trophy photo. Trophy photo of the day. Disappearing, this magically disappearing photo. So if you want to like, you want to see what the trophy of the day is. The cool thing is like, they give like a synopsis of the hunt. A lot of them do. Yeah. Like tell you a little bit about it. So if you're like, I don't know, I want to see what, you know, if he says anything about that Colorado deer. Yeah. You know, he might give you some info. So you go look on there. And if you save it, which is, you know, just liking it, you put a heart on it, then it'll save it in your thing. You can go back and read it, you know, at your leisure. I wonder if there's a manly heart we could invent. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Like do you guys always feel weird heart and stuff? Thumbs up. Yeah, like a thumbs up or like fist bump. Fist bump. I don't know. My daughter's beating me up about thumbs up, so I'm no longer allowed to just thumbs up. So what are you doing? Hearting? You have to do multiple. So if I do three thumbs up, that's okay. But if I do one thumbs up, she doesn't know. I do usually a double fist bump or something like that. Yeah, I don't know why. Or a thumbs up and a fist bump. You know, Gen Xers, like, you know, one thumbs up means something. Emojis matter and multiples equal something else. I mean, there's people that speak entirely in emojis, I think. Oh, yeah. We should try that one for a week. I have no idea what they mean. I'm trying to decipher the little faces. Like, are they pissed at me or is this happy? I mean, what's going on here? There's one of the tear one.

There's one that's like tears, like I'm crying but I'm happy tears or I'm laughing so bad that I'm bawling. I can't tell if it's like I'm happy or I'm really sad. Really sad. Yeah, I don't know. I had a guy email me yesterday and he said, Devin, I'm home from my elk hunt. Give me a call. I really need to fill you in. And I'm like, oh, okay. Well. And then I noticed there was a little emoji, a smiley face. I'm like. Oh. All right. This is good. Good call. Yeah, like what? He smashed a freaking giant. Yeah, he did. He did. He killed like mid-380s. Damn. Muzzle. Come on. Yeah. I share all the stuff I get with you. You don't share it. This just happened.

Jeez. I should have CC'd you into the email. Yes, you should have. I do that to you so you know what your people are killing. Yeah. That's pretty awesome. Dang. There has been a lot of big bulls killed, actually. Utah, Arizona especially. Nevada. There's been some big bulls, huh? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's a giant. I can't believe that Arizona, the results in Arizona is pretty impressive. Yeah. Been cool. For being kind of one of those years that we'll see, not sure. And there was a lot of rain right there, like in the unit 23 and all that early. And people were excited about that for elk and coos deer. But then everything else was kind of up in the air. So anyway, it's pretty awesome. Mm-hmm. Pretty awesome. Like we're right in the heat of battle. We're talking, are we? When's October 1st? Thursday. It's in like a couple days. Yeah. A couple days. Crazy. Man, it is nothing flat.

It's going to be wintertime. We're going to be locked down in the office. Are you guys having fun out in the field? Everybody, Devin especially. Cash, you've been having fun out in the field? No. I mean, I almost did. I almost had some fun. I almost had the greatest year of my life. I was within an inch of that. And I got to share it with you. Yeah, you did. You witnessed it firsthand. And Jenna, even on your birth dates. I did witness it firsthand. So I want to hear your story. Your version. I just want to say, too. Cash, like, he was pretty quiet. I had my reasons. And I had my reasons. I didn't want to talk to anybody. I get it. And I respected his silence. Yeah. Of course, now there's no respect. It's true. So Cash, now it's just a story. Give us the story. Well, once upon a time. There was a spring bar. Once upon a time. And it got rained on 14 out of 14 days. That's true.

That's true. Oh, yeah. We got pounded. Do those things mildew? Yeah, they do, actually. If you store them wet, you'll end up with level black spots all over it. If it rains every day, is that considered being stored wet?

Kind of. I know. It was wild. It's true. I bailed out of there. I mean, we hunted the first couple days. And certain things happened that we'll talk about. This is Wyoming deer. Wyoming deer. Yeah, Wyoming deer. Went up there. I actually had a buddy that point boosted me into it. And it was kind of handy that way. I wanted to go. And we made it work. And scouted a few times. I made a few trips. And just got up there. You were actually finding some pretty decent bucks. Yeah. There was great bucks around. That's general for residents up there. Let's just call it general for residents down here. You'd actually rather be up there, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Good numbers of solid bucks. Good numbers of solid bucks. Mature bucks. Some big deer. Really? Yeah. I mean, the first few days, there was big deer dying all over. All over. Yeah. And so, anyway, kind of rolling into the park.

All around that spring bar tent. All around it. Quite frankly. Yeah. Literally. It was sad. It was just wild. It was gut piles everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. It was. Yeah. Well, it was shot. Every time a rifle goes up. And Wyatt, you can probably attest for this. You're like, something big just died. No. At least a four point. At least a four point. Yeah. Because it's. Like, you're like, okay, there's a four point being shot at. Okay, there's a four point being shot at. Yeah. It was what it felt like. Did it ever feel like that to you? Yeah. I mean, the first couple days. I mean, how many four points in the world are there right there? At least a four points. Usually when I'm rifle hunting, it's like, there's another two point. Two point. Two point. Yeah. Over there. I will say, though, you always hear about how much the residents hate non-residents. And specifically Utah guys. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. I talked to multiple residents, and they were all very cordial. Yeah. Very cordial. I felt like that, too. I would tell, like, I told one guy, I was like, yeah, I'm from Utah. I'm one of the dreaded non-residents. He's like, oh, I don't care. He's like, we love it. I was like, I mean, don't speak for everybody, but, you know, but everyone I talk to, super cordial, kind of interesting. I think that's what happens when there's plenty of game for everyone. Yeah. You know what I mean? You hear horror stories. It's not like you're competing for this one animal out in the desert of Nevada. Right. I also think they're keeping your fees down, or you're keeping their fees down. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. We're paying a lot of their way. Yeah. Yeah. Like 80% of their entire fishing game budget. Yeah. Yep. But, no, let's just rip the Band-Aid off it. Let's just go where we're going.

To get down to business, Cash was within an inch of killing a 200-plus inch deer. First time in his life. Oh, yeah. Cash. We'll just rip the Band-Aid off now. Cash out of the bag. Wow. That's heartbreaking. You're going to bleed to death. Yeah. You're not careful. I know. No, we smashed a big buck first thing opening day, and that was great. My buddy took a big buck home, so it was awesome. And then... And he actually took it home and drove home. Yeah. We can give him a little hard time, can't we? I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He got out of there, had some stuff to do with wife and kids and everything and whatnot. And so I spent a bunch of time solo and whatnot. But ended up finding this deer that we knew of. And he fed out that evening, and it's just in a stupid, tough spot. Yeah. Like, you have small windows, everything, just a tough spot to kill a deer in.

And a great spot for him to live. Yeah. You know, you can see him from very few places. Yeah. And he can shoot from even less. So get in there that evening and find him, and he's feeding around. And when you're kind of at the distance, it was like 700 and something yards. And so it was the only place you could shoot from. I couldn't get closer unless you were 50 yards from him. And so one of those deals where it's like, if you don't video your shot, you might not know if you hit him or wounded him or what's going on. So for peace of mind, I had my spotter set up and I threw my phone on it and got down on the gun. And had I had another five seconds of him standing in the window, I would have got a shot that night. And so just not having a spotter. Well, there's so much that goes into getting the shot off. Yeah. A lot.

So you're getting your spotter set up, but then you also need to range them and you need to... Yeah. And belly high grass. Yeah. And everything. Lay down and... All the things. Bipods and all the things. Like it is hard. Yeah. It's no joke. It's no joke. And so that night I didn't get an opportunity and he kind of fed away and deeper into the trees and everything. And so I didn't have any windows. So I bailed out of there. I think it's probably the fastest I've got out of there because I was hyped up on adrenaline. I was like, I got it. I got to get out of here. And I was like, I got to go talk to Jason. Like I need someone to spot for me or something. And so the whole way down... Jason's just happy. Jason's just happy over there. No big deal. Counting down my days that I've got left. Yeah. And so... And I kind of know that. As I'm walking out, I'm like internal debate of my life.

Like do I even call him? Like do I just go in there the next day and just try to kill him and deal with it? And I was like, I don't want to waste anyone else's time. And so I eventually came to the conclusion. I was like, I got to at least talk to him and see, you know, whatever. And so I call you and we had a conversation. Cash is like, you know how hard it is for me to make this call, which is basically forcing me on the mountain with him. I gave him no choice. I was like, Jason, you have no idea how hard this is for me. So if you say no, man, I'm going to hate you forever. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. No. No. But no, it was tough to ask for help from someone that I know is limited on time. And so... I'm doing my own thing up there. Everybody's working. Right. Yep. And so anyway, I go over to his camp and we chat about it and we kind of leave with,

well, I think it's going to happen. It's going to take some time and be patient and you're going to get a chance. And so I left there pretty optimistic as far as that goes. But I'm like, kind of like, good luck. And really, if you really need some help, let me know. And then I was tossing and turning on. I'm like, I told Jenna, I said, we need to go help Cash. I mean, this is, you know what I mean? Because by the time he got to the camp, it was like, I know, I can probably get it done. And he was being cool about it. But I know what it's like when you want just a little bit of help, you know? And so anyway, I'll give him a morning and an evening and another morning. Turned into more. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we, yeah, we get up. I get a text at 4.15 in the morning. Jason's like, hey, we'll be at your camp. 4.45. Let's start hiking or whatever. And I was like, oh, she's okay.

I guess they're coming. All right. It's an hour and a half hike before daylight or more. Oh, yeah. Or more. And so anyway, we get up there, get up on the perch, everything. And sure enough, he feeds out in the morning right there in the same stuff. But he's like, that's like a 50-yard window. Cash made the spot of the century. I'll have to show you the video. He like saw him chewing his cud at 700 and something yards. In the tall grass. In the tall grass. And Jenna's like, Cash made a, and I'm like, pump the brakes. He knew exactly where the deer was. Within 30 yards. I'm like, don't give him too much credit. I mean, he's over there with the spotter and spots this deer. And I don't like glassing through a spotter and spots him chewing his cud. Yeah. In tall grass. Yeah. And I'm bedded down. Yeah. Bedded in belly high grass. I could barely see like white of his face and an eye.

And it could make out an ear. And he like flopped his ear once. I was like, I got him. And I'm like, was his antlers up in the? No. Like you couldn't see him like in the grass and sticks and everything. You just couldn't really tell. You could just see white of a face and the outline of an ear. And he finally flapped his ear. I'd been looking. And I was like, that's got to be a deer. And he flapped his ear once. I was like, Jason, I got him. It was unbelievable. It was pretty cool. I was like, what am I doing? He's glassing on 70 power. Oh, yeah. Yeah. One eye in it. I'm like, it could be anywhere on this half mile hillside. Yeah. Exactly. You know? No. It was good. Awesome. It was good. But no, he gets up, feeds. And we just never, like I was on the gun. Jason was on the spotter. Never got a window to shoot. Like never had a chance. And so he, they kind of feed back in the trees.

And if they're, if they're not in the outside 20 yards of these trees, you do not have shot. Like you can see them. This hill steep is a cow's face. Yeah. Like it's, when we end up walking over there. It looks flat. It looks flat from our angle. But you get over there and it's actually pretty steep. Oh, geez. And so, anyway, that, that happens. Whatever. We sit on him all day. Jana falls asleep on top of this rock that if she moves wrong, she's falling off like a 10 foot cliff. Literally. Literally. So I'm like, look, and I'm like, that's kind of sketchy. But she's, she's good. She's solid. And I was, I was shocked. And you're going to tell a woman what to do? No. No. Let her sleep there. Not me. So, but Jana, I will say Jana is no joke on the glass. She is no joke. She's no joke. Yeah.

It's, it's, it's, there would be very few women that rival her being able to sit behind glass all day like we did. It makes me a lazy glasser. You're like, yeah, she'll find him. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Good work. I knew it was there. Kudos. That's time 20 minutes ago. Anyway. But no, anyway, so he, he, anyway, one of Jason's. His buddies goes across. Yeah. He disappears and we sit there all day. Yeah. I sat there all day. And one of Jason's buddies makes an eight mile hike in, eight mile hike out. And it's like chomping at the bit to go. Again. Again. He's like, hey, put me somewhere. So this John, he did 17 miles. Yeah. And he was like, and he texted me via satellite on the satellite texting. And he's like, where do I need to be? And I'm like, and I'm like, no, like, just go do your thing. Like we're, we're cool because there's no way.

Like you just did your 17 miles. Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to send you all those fish. From like four, three 30 in the morning till noon. He did that. And then he came out and he goes, no, I, I just showered up in the creek. I ate. I'm ready. I'm ready to go. And he wouldn't say, let, take no. So I took those coordinates. Yeah. Copied and pasted them. Because in satellite text, because you can't transmit. You can't transmit. No. Yeah. On X pin. Right. Right. And I said, plug this into your find and go to that point. And him and cash and I figured out which point we wanted him on. Yeah. And it's straight up. It's true. It is straight up. And he. I hiked it. Pretty soon. I hiked it. He's satellite texting me. He goes, can you find me next to the red rocks? And I'm like. Oh my gosh. Oh boy. It's okay. There's a lot of red rocks. Anyway, ended up seeing him. And he's not even halfway. Yeah.

But he's on the right hill. Yeah. Like we had the right coordinates. He's on the right. He plugged them in right. And anyway. It's perfect. He hiked up. I said, no, you need to go like 400 yards straight up more. He's like. It's terrible. We felt bad. He gets over there. And he probably hadn't sat down and glassed for 20 or 30 minutes. He's like. Texas is like, hey, they're feeding the wide open. Like in this. In this shoot. Like they're in the wide open. No wonder we can't see him. We can't see the wide open. Yeah. It's over. Over a hill. Kind of in another. Another bowl. If you will. And he says, hey, they're feeding away from you. You might have to make a move or whatever. So we're kind of somewhat getting ready. Like do we walk over there and get within 100 yards of him before we see him? The wind's average or less. The wind might be crappy.

And eventually, like right then, he texts us. They turned around. They're coming your way quick. Get ready. We're like, shiz. So we get on the gun. And I had spent like an hour building this platform for my feet to shoot over top of this rock. Because this is probably the worst place to shoot from. You haven't seen a chipmunk prepare for winter. Until you've seen Kat. Until you've seen Kat. I mean, it was like he was a busy little body over there. And I mean, it was an hour. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. I mean, at least he's doing something. You know what I mean?

But like there's like you can't lay down and shoot anywhere but sides literally standing over the cliff. Basically. Which makes this a little bit of a tougher story. Yeah. He might as well have had a bench rest. With sandbags. It's true. But that's where the lesson comes in. That's where the lesson comes in really though. I learned some stuff. I did. It was. It was. And so I get set up and I'm like, if he walks out and we get a good range on him and everything, he is dead. Like I'm so rock solid on this. Like I might as well be on the range bench. Right? And so he eventually gets to where we can see him in numerous texts. Which is where he's been night and morning. Yep. The whole time. And he, they fed from over the top or whatever and came down right to the same set of bushes that they've been feeding on the whole time.

And we get him coming through and we're getting ranges and we're getting anywhere from, was it 715 to 736? Well, it was 721 to 735. Okay. Yeah. And that was 13.13 MOA to 12.73 or something like that. 12.53. Well. Or no. No. No. 12.75. On the 721. Yeah. And the 735. And it's like with the grass, it's like you cannot tell. Can't get a range. And those little range finders, standalone range finders, not being an EL range, it's like range finding an antelope. Is he here or is he here? Makes you uncomfortable when you hit the button multiple times and it's a different range. Yeah. It's a millimeter. Yeah. You're hitting it, hitting it, hitting it, hitting it. Different, different, different. So we just like, well, settled on 13. Yeah. So it was one click. Kind of in between. One click of 7 point, or 12.75 to 13. Yeah. 0.15 basically. A quarter MOA at 700 yards is 1.7, like 1.73 inches. Yeah.

So you're like not even two inches. So you're like, okay, I mean, you're in the middle. Like, you're fine. Just dial it to 13. Yeah. Dial it to 13 and let her rip. And so he stands there in a gap. And I'm like, I'm going to shoot him. We're videoing. We're ready to go. This is ready. I cut it loose. And as soon as I felt that trigger pull in my brain, I was like, that's a dead deer. Like, crosshairs were rock solid in the middle of his body. I was like, he's dead. I just killed 200-inch deer. And Jason, you spined him. I'm like, okay, he's dead. Yeah, and I'm thinking that too. And this is all within like a second and a half, two seconds, right? I'm like, he's dead. Like, we're good. And he's like, oh, he's up. He's running. And he took off like a rocket. But what it did is just barely grazed his back and just ever so slightly rocked him. Which again, shows you the video is good. Yeah.

Because you can see it. You can see what happened. You know. And you see the bullet hit within like. Just getting. Yeah. Yeah. Just hair and a little bit of. A little bit of hide and hair. So if I was an inch lower, it would have broke his back and he'd be done. But that's kind of where the lesson comes in is like, I had shot at the range, clear out to 1,200 yards and hit a 10-inch, 10 or 12-inch gong at 1,200. So like, you're like, I mean, at that, like, okay, I'm money at 700, right? But elevation, you get elevation, you get all these different factors. Possibly an updraft. Yeah, possibly an updraft a little bit. It was shooting across a huge canyon. There was wind coming up. Like, you couldn't walk across this canyon. You can't walk across it. You have to make a big loop across. So it's like, you know, there was an updraft, but then the elevation is like 9,000 feet. Well, you know.

If you're zeroed at sea level, is your zero going to be different at 9,000 feet? Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It could be slightly higher, which now exponentially changes everything out to range as you're dialing. Out of distance. Well, isn't there some kind of buffer on your turret? Isn't it good for X amount either way? Altitude? Well, no. As far as your turret's just MOA. It's zero. Yeah. It's all the environmentalism with whatever rangefinder you're using. Rangefinder stuff. But the only thing that can't change on the fly and be updated is a zero. Yeah. Is a zero. Exactly. So let's just say your zero is an inch high. An inch high to 100, you'd be seven inches high. You know, or something like that. So you've got, there's little incremental variables that add up possibly with, and who knows, and Cash is like, maybe you flinched. Like, yeah, maybe I flinched a little bit.

You shouldn't have missed like that. You shouldn't have missed. Like, from where my crosshairs were to where it hit was more than seven inches. And also, everybody that misses at distance feels like they miss high. Rarely do you hear somebody miss low. If ever, really. Yeah. And so I wonder, too, is like that grass came up to mid-chest. I might have been holding high. And you're naturally, your mind holds high. Whereas, really, he should have been aiming in the grass. In the grass. That bullet's coming down and going to come down on him like a freaking rock. It's dropping 100 and some on it. Yep. So I did some kind of testing or whatever. So I came home after that. The next day, it was supposed to be stormy, rainy for like four days. I was like, I'm not sitting in a tent for four days and just waiting out of storm while I just missed a big deer. That's okay. Sit there and sulk.

Be with your family for a minute.

So I guess to back up, too, we went over there the next morning and found where he had went over the ridge and everything 200 yards away. And just found some stuff he kicked out with no blood, no tracks, no nothing. Well, there's a reason. The reason we did is he threw one more at him as he was going away. And John's like, I heard a hit. Yeah. Well, I probably heard it hitting a tree. Yeah. You know what I mean? But then you're like, oh, well, we don't have choices. Yeah. We're going to go over and check for blood. Yeah. And whatnot. And so we did. We went over. And I mean, you can see where he was standing. You saw all the bark from the dead, you know, from the whatever. There were trees that were knocked down. Like there was some dead fall in there and whatnot. And you can see where he had run through. And Jenna put us on the spot.

Cash and I went over and Jenna put us on the exact spot. That's right where he was when we lost him. But when he was like, it sounded like a hit. I was like, in my mind, I was like, if I hit that deer on that shot, like just knowing like I had hit him before, like you just try to get another bullet in him somehow. You know? And I was like, if I hit him, there's, I would never make that shot ever again in my life. If I could try a million times, I'd never do it again if that was the case. And sure enough, no, it didn't hit him. He was fine. The video, that's a good thing having a video is like we know that deer is totally fine. Like he has a little cut on his hide and that's it, you know? And so I go home, spend some time with the wife and everything and just try to undepress myself.

And try to make myself happy. Try to make myself feel better. Which will never happen. It'll never happen. Go to your favorite counselor. Yep. Went and I did some, on my way, when I left, the day I left to go back up, it was just a few days later, I went and shot at some elevation. In between the elevation I was shooting there and here at the range, because I know at the range I was money. Like everything was perfect. And so I went up the mountain a ways and shot and I changed the elevation in an app and it changed the elevation almost a half MOA of what I had to dial. So I shot 721 yards on a rock and I dialed 12.5 and I smacked the rock. It was a half MOA difference from what I shot up there. Plus the altitude. I was half, you know what I mean. So just things add up to where, a little bit of an oversight to where it caused you to miss that bad. Biggest buck of your life.

Biggest buck of my life. So, yeah, that's been my Wyoming hunt. And now it's tag suit. You've got a better story than I got.

I don't know. I don't know if it's better or not. I had an opportunity. We both have uncut tags. Yeah, no, it was, I can't say I didn't have a good opportunity and had a good hunt and everything, but spent. Then you kept working him. You kept working him. Oh, yeah. I spent days, every, I mean, handful of mornings looking for him. Did you see any of his buddies or anything? I saw his buddies. Oh, really? I found his buddies, so he was held up. There was a camp that came in and camped right in the basin above him, you know, and so that rolled them off the top a little bit, and so they were on a slope and never could dig him up. Looked in where they were a couple draws further, and it's kind of a round top of where he's at, and so he could have just been hanging in the pines and just dug a hole and chilling out. You needed to slow roll the pines, but there was no way to slow roll them. Yeah.

You'd have to hike through. You'd have to walk through. Good strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Which is another lesson. Don't go anywhere you can't slow roll the pines. That's true. Stay in the low country. Slow roll the sage, the pines, the oak, whatever. There's bucks out there. There's bucks dying right off the side of the road. The best bucks. Some of the better ones. For real. Yeah. For real, dude. Smashing them off the road. Oh, dude. Bro. I couldn't count on both hands how many. We were hunting in a whole different area, and they smashed a buck that had inlines on both sides, cheaters on both sides, and we're dragging it to the road. Dragging it full, guts and all. Full body to the truck. We're talking 73 yards from the roadside. Like, this was, and I listened to the shot and the hit, and John's at a different trailhead. He hears it, too, and verifies. Goes and sees it with his own eyes.

I mean, how many times did that happen? Ten. Yeah. I mean, it was wild. Yep. But, I don't know. Just bucks dying everywhere. And it just wasn't us. Yeah. I mean, my buddy killed a big year. And it sounds like it's no, it sounds better than it is. Like, bucks were dying, but were they really good bucks? I don't know. But there were several that were really solid bucks. Yeah, 180 or better. Yeah. Well, you guys hunted hard. I can tell just by looking at you. I lost weight.

Yeah.

I got here yesterday and was standing in Logan's office. I've always looked this good, Devin.

Standing in Logan's office yesterday, John's like, you're taller than I thought. And I was like, no, I've just lost weight, John. I just don't look as chubby.

Now the trick is to keep it off during the office season. Yeah. That's the hardest part of the year. How do you do that? What? What's your trick? Yeah. I don't know. I'm probably the worst off. More meat. Just keep bouncing your knee all the time. Yeah. Just keep cooking. And then switch off every half hour. And then check how many steps you did. Add to that step count. I had 12,000 steps today. Jen and I, one day we were backpacking and we checked our steps. 39,800 steps. Did you make it to 40 maybe? No. Before you went to bed? I mean, I don't know. Probably. No. Probably. Probably. 40,000. 40,000 steps. How many miles does that equate to? We figured it was like 17 and a half or something like that. She AI'd it for her size. Her steps were 39,800. Mine was like 36 and change or something like that or 35 and change. Anyway, for her and what her steps were, it was. That's crazy.

The stride difference knocked off that many steps. Yeah. But anyway, that's a man eater up there and a woman eater. That's no joke country. Yeah. Fly it knows. Pretty fun. Pretty fun. Makes you feel small. Wyatt, you want to dovetail in your story from way back? Oh, my story's been told. I'm just to the point where I'm getting over it now. Gosh, when are you going to get over yours? Never. Devin said it right. I was texting Devin and telling him about it. And he's like, I'd like to see you get over it, but you never will. Yeah. And it's probably true. I'll never get over that. I think we all have one or two like that. I always have an image of that buck in my head. I've got, yeah. I'll never get over mine. The last two hundo standing in front of me. Well, I mean, big two hundo.

I'm sick about it. I'm still sick about it. That's that last one. Yeah.

Happens to the worst of us, right? I'd say best, but I'm not included in the best. Well, all right. So, onward. More hunts coming, right? Yeah. All you can do is pick yourself up off the floor and keep going. Yep. Do more shooting something, figuring out a rifle. I don't know. It'll be fine. I'd say we get to a more positive story in the recent past. Devin or Wyatt, either one of you got anything good for us? Wyatt, you got anything good for us? I got nothing. Like I said on the last podcast, I've been here holding down the fort at the office. We appreciate it. You have been. And you've been getting out, though. You've been getting out. Yeah. Earlier this year, we've talked about that. Yeah. Yeah. And you've got hunts coming up, so it'll be fun. It's going to be great. Devin.

Meal, dear Devin. Are you really going to have the big buck of the year of the office? I don't know. I hope not. I hope somebody kills him.

I'm content, man. I'm content. All right. So, last podcast, which I was in Wyoming, actually, when you guys did the last podcast, you were talking about this 5% or whatever. Well, Adam, yeah. He asked me the percentage, and I'm like, it's 50-50. 50-50. I'm either going to kill one or I'm not. That wasn't good enough for him, so we decided that, I mean, 5% or less. 5.95. Yeah. 5% or less. And you beat it. It was a stress. And you beat it. You smashed a buck. I killed a buck. Muzzled or general Utah. Yep. How did it go down? There he was, and I shot him. Yeah. I knew that's about what we'd get out of you. No, I would probably say that's – I learn a lot. You learn a lot on every hunt. You do. Multiple. You do. I don't know. We guide a lot sometimes. Like, I guide a lot, and sometimes I really learned I need to turn that off and be the hunter. Yeah. I need to be ready to kill. Yeah.

I don't need this. I don't need that. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then even in the summer, like, looking around, I just – mentally. Why don't you explain what you mean? You don't need what? Oh, I'll get there. Oh, right. Okay. I'll get there. But, like, the summer, I honestly – I don't know. I was not optimistic. I think I really learned a lesson of, like, you just don't know. Yeah. You just have to assume you're going to hit it hard every year. You know what I mean? Last year was tough. I did see one good buck, and I am so glad I didn't kill him because that would have been my second deer, right, for a dedicated hunter. But, yeah, just the landscape was so dry. I just thought this is going to be – You beat yourself. You're the worst, all worst in. Yes. That's 100% what I did. And I've done that in the trail cameras.

I'll go check trail cameras, and I'll be like – and I just – in my mind, that's garbage, that's garbage, that's garbage. Well, they're the top three of 200 bucks I have on camera. You should – I decided the rule. You should always visually see your top three bucks. And when we have to pull cameras now – Because at night, it's hard to judge them. Yeah, it's hard to judge them. Yes, and pulling cameras. They can change a lot. And they're still growing, and so you should always – even though you write off the year, oh, this is such a bad year in Nevada or such a bad year in Utah, I'm over it. And then somebody smashes your buck, and it's a 223-incher, and you're like – What the heck? You're sick. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you were your own worst enemy. You just rode him off. Talked yourself out of it. Yeah, talked yourself out of it.

I did that worse than – maybe, like, worse than ever. I don't know if I've ever done it like that before. I've been discouraged. We all get that way, but, like – Part of it, too, is the nature – sometimes the nature of the hunt, you're like, even if there's a giant, there's no way I can kill him because it's impossible. And so, you know, that's garbage. I'm not even going to spend the time and money. I'm not going to waste the gas money to get down there or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, it was mostly just in my scouting and cameras or whatever. But, anyways, yeah, so it's muzzle season, and I took off. And you hunted some archery, right? I didn't hunt any archery. Oh, okay. You were guiding on the archery. Yeah, I was in Nevada a bit, and I just – I don't know. I just wasn't feeling archery. Your heart wasn't in. Yeah. And so I show up and drag my trailer out there. I don't know.

It was just BLM Road 121F. Just for some of our listeners that might want to know. It was Forest Road number – 223. You know how many people are going to get on Onyx and look up BLM Road 121F? That was closed to motorized vehicles. So many people are going to be looking up – Who's fire restrictions? I hit that road. What was it, Wyatt? BLM 121F. 121F. And, dude, I don't know, man. It was just – You were on the ponds? I haven't hunted – Wow. Dang. I haven't hunted really for myself this year, you know. And it was a mixture of just, dude, when I hit that road, I was just like, this is going down. I'm feeling good. You know? And I'm running so late. I get stuff set up. I think you were driving, what, three mile an hour, you said. Maybe four. But I was running behind, of course. And so I'm like, I'll just go out real quick, you know. Look around.

And there's another thing with that, like the balance of not pushing it too hard. Before you have a muzzleloader rifle or whatever in your hands. And I get out there and I don't see anything. I mean, I don't have a lot of time, but I'm just kind of bebopping along. And I get to the last little high spot. And, I mean, I'm sneaky. Like, I'm being sneaky. I don't know if anything's around. Stealthy. I'm being stealthy. I stand there for another 10, 20 minutes. I don't see – I saw a jackrabbit, you know. Like, it was the only thing I saw moving. And I, being lazy, instead of going sneaky back behind this little – it's kind of a knob, kind of a little hill. I went in front of the bushes back to my trail. And I kind of looked one more time and I glassed up three bucks. And the ones just pegged me. Like, pretty close. Probably within 400 yards. And I'm just like, holy cow.

You let your guard down. I screwed up. I do that too. I was being lazy. And again, beat yourself in your own mind. And you're like, I'm not going to worry about skyline myself. That's what I did. Yeah, I'm just like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah. You know what I mean? The dumb stuff. And the one buck's staring at me and I just freeze and I don't move. And the third buck, the furthest left buck, he kind of raised his head and he was sideways. And I'm like, oh, that's a nice buck. And it's getting dark, dark, you know. And he turns and his left side, he just looked awesome, you know. And I'm like, that's a big deer. Like, that's a great buck. I didn't know. I just never got the right angles, whatever. But then he turns and I see he has an extra of the splits like your finger, you know. I was like, well, that's pretty nice. So mass like your forearms and eye guards everywhere.

So they finally start. That one buck knew I was there. Like he saw movement, he knew something, and he starts going and they all start going. And I get my scope out and I got about 30 something seconds of video of him just going away. And I'll bet I watched that 50 times. And there's one spot I'm like, God, that is a big deer. But I mean, I'm telling you, like he's only 24, 26 wide maybe. I don't know. I actually still haven't measured his width. But so next morning we go out. My buddy Hemi showed up that night and I showed him and he's like, yeah, he's a nice buck. You know, like I don't know. And so anyways, we go out. He kind of is where I was that morning. And I go around and I'm kind of, I got a little bit of elevation. And I'm looking and looking and I don't see anything. I mean, nothing. It's getting later and later. And Hemi calls me. And I answer.

He's like, that buck you saw, he's right below you. You know, I'm like, okay. And I'm looking, looking. And I get a glimpse of a buck. One of his buddies or him moving. So I have to go like another maybe 60 yards to get just where I can see him. And I get to my spot and I don't see any deer. They were moving pretty good. Like they're going to bed fast. And yeah. All of a sudden, buck pops out. They were kind of in a low spot. Buck pops out. I see, I look through my binos. Because with naked eye, you couldn't really tell. Look, and this is where I screwed up. I have my pack on. I got a tripod in one hand. I got a shooting stick. I got my muzzleloader. I got everything on me. And all of a sudden, boom, it's happening. Like right there. He comes out. He's broadside and he stops. So I throw up the, I don't even spread the legs of the shooting stick. Like I just, it's fast. Just a monopod.

A monopod. And I cock the gun, pull the hammer back, pop it on there. I don't even have to dial. It's like 120 something yards. Like this is. Well, you're using a one power. One power. Leupold. Yeah. Freedom RDS. And I go to look through the scope, the little red dot. And my pack is pushing out. And I was cold. I had a layer of jacket on. Like I can't, I'm just like, dude, I can't even get like on the gun right. This deer's going to walk away. He's about to go. He takes another step. And he's got one more step to go. And I got to find another gapper. He's gone. And poof, it went off. And when it went off, I knew. I was like, that felt low. And I watched the, I don't hear that thump. I don't hear it hit. Dust flies. They kind of move. I'm like, I just totally shanked it. I have no excuse. I just shanked it. Dude. I mean. We can come up with something.

Well, I could have dialed the, I don't know, one MLA. There was a down draft. Yeah. I was just, dude, I was not comfortable. It was, I had, I had my pack on. Like that was, I just, I was not being, I wasn't being the hunter. Yeah. And I actually, to be honest, I was like, okay. Like, you know, we'll, we'll. It's the opening day. Like, I can't believe I even got a shot. Like. I'm so glad I didn't kill opening day. I really want to experience this whole hunt. I'm just like, dude, this happened so fast. And then they kind of came out. I'm reloading. And I realized, okay, I'm not going to get another good shot. Like. And he kind of came out in the sun. And that's when I was like, holy smokes. He's heavy. You know. That's when I knew like, okay. I misjudged this deer pretty bad. So anyways. That night. We're. I kind of thought. I'm going to. I'm going to let them be.

I think they winded me too. After they kind of went away. They kind of winded me. So. They're ruined. They're ruined. So I'm like, I'm going to. I'm going to give them time. And. Take off on a four-wheeler. And we split up. We're looking around. And the four-wheeler dies. Blowing ignition fuses. It's got a short somewhere. So I walk like. I don't know. A long way. It's just rare. It's kind of like a. It's a Honda. It's kind of like a lawnmower. When does a Briggs and Stratton motor ever not start? You know what I mean? Oh. Like they go forever. They go forever. I've driven miles. Yeah. And you got a Honda four-wheeler. Yeah. That's forever. They always start. Except for they. They like good gas. They don't like bad gas. Other than that. It just died. So anyways. I checked the fuses. Sure enough. It's popping ignition fuses. So it would start. The first time I started it. And I'm like. Oh.

Maybe it just overheated or something. You know. But it popped the ignition fuse. I make about two feet. And it pops another one. And then after that. As soon as you put a fuse in. It would just die. When you turn the key. It would pop. Were you still on that closed rope?

No. It was wide open. People everywhere. Okay. Anyways. Well. And no one even stopped to help you? No. Sure. Well. Obviously. Also. Do you know Devin? He's giving them the finger as he's walking by. Come on. He just. He's not wanting to talk to anybody. I hit the trees and I was walking. So that was a total fail. Right? That whole day. Or that whole night. And so. And it's stressful dealing with people. It's just stressful dealing with the whole situation. Yeah. The deer's not dead. He's not dead. I'm just. You know. At some point I'm going to have to get that. And I know it's going to be a pain. Like I'm going to have to go home. Get a side by side. Drag it. A long ways. And anyways. So. That night. Go to bed. And I said. I told Hammy. So we're just going to do the exact same thing. I'm going to go to the exact same spot. But this time I'm going to get there like an hour earlier.

Because it was a little further than I thought. The first go around. Use a red light to walk. I just moonlight man. Oh. There you go. Yeah. So the moon's basically full. And so I walked to that exact spot. Kind of had a tree that was good cover. And I could look on both sides. Without exposing myself. And kind of waited till the sun come up. And peeking around the tree. I was glassing like. Vertically. Yeah. Like this. Dude. I see his buddy's tips of his horns out. Way out there. And I'm like. I text Hammy. He's like. 300 yards. This is going to happen. You know. And dude. That day took the exact same trail. How does this happen? After they were blown. It just works perfect. Yeah. I mean. They actually cut off a little earlier. So they were a little deeper. But the hard part. And it's like that buck I killed. Wyatt. Does it ever make you mad when Devin has such good luck all the time?

All the time. Lucky as good luck. Dude. I do a lot of good things. I have. I feel like I have good karma. I helped a lady in Wyoming. Wow. I helped a grandma at UPS the other day. She couldn't get up the curb. You did? I gave her my spot in line. And then I offered to help her go back. And somebody butted in front of me. Like three people. But that was okay. She made it off the curb. So yeah. Anyways. Good juju there. Yeah. Good juju. Good karma. I mean. I mean. With the naked eye. Honestly. I couldn't tell which was which. And I finally find. Okay. He's the third one. And. I was like. When he hits this open spot. I ranged it. Same thing. Dude. I ranged it so many times. And I was like 186 to 191. At this open spot. Or it was 180. It was 185 on the dot. In this open spot. You're in a dial that's already is. And he's the third buck. Yeah. I already. I dialed it. And. Buck comes out.

The middle one. And I. And I. Raised my binos. I'm looking for the third one. Waiting for him. Like he's held up. And I go over to the middle of my gap. And he's the one that's broadside. He skipped ahead. Now he's the middle buck. Dude. He's standing in the. In the. Only open spot. That's not like. Thick sage and cedars. Feeding or just. I'm just like. Holy crap. No. He's just standing there. Gifts. In this gap. Like a gift. Just like here Devin. Take my life. Yes. And so. I'm like. Oh my gosh. He's the middle one. So I put the binos down. Get on the gun. And he walks. Behind two cedars. Comes out the other side. Stops. And. I hammered him dude. I mean just. And you hear it. Like. You know the smoke. It just. Yeah. Bop. Hard. Hit him hard. He turns. And I could hear. It was 187. I could hear just. I mean. That you should see his dig spot. Like the track. He turns the opposite direction.

And he's just bulldozing. He actually cut his chin wide open. And there was a flap. Flap of a hide. Ripped his lip off. And he just. Died right there. Like he went like 10 yards and died. Wow. Oh man. Yeah dude. I was just like. Holy crap. And he texts me. He's like. That one sounded better today. You know. He's like. He's like. I saw him. I saw him freaking. Like all I could see was his butt in the air. Because that's. He didn't have his front wheels. But. Yeah dude. And I was excited. I was ecstatic. But. When we walked up on him. And you. And you thought he was. I thought he was 190s. Yeah. You know. With that big extra. And just. I knew he had great mass. But I didn't think he had like. This kind of mass. I didn't even know if he had eye guards. He's got two per side. Melted stuff. Like. Oh. Yeah. The candle wax. Yeah. And just walked up on him. And was just like.

Are you freaking kidding me? Like. I have never seen this deer before. That's the honest truth. I found him the night before the hunt. Stupid fluke. Like. Don't know where he came from. I don't know. Just to be fully transparent. Cash is like. Devin's been holding out. Like. He said he hasn't. Dude. Yeah. He said he hasn't scouted anything. I told Jason. I was like. The last two. The last two bucks Devin's chased. He's. He's been like. Yeah. I haven't seen anything. Or nothing. I was like. He's sandbagging us. Yeah. He's like. He. It was kind of like. He was butt hurt. And I was like. Cash. He saw that the night before the hunt started. It's the truth. He goes. What? And I'm like. Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah. I mean. There were. There's. Cover a lot of country. And there's. That was one spot I wanted to check. But we're talking. Covering a lot of ground. To check on two or three bucks.

That were. I wanted to see with my eyes. But I'd never seen this one. And yeah. I mean. Walking up on that. I could not. I was just blown away. Dude. His head is just. A meat head. Yeah. I mean. It's a dream come true. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Like 44 inches of mass or more. I think. I figure he's at least 44 inches. That's 22 a side. It's no joke. Yeah. That is heavy. Without velvet. That is no joke. Yeah. It's 27 and something beam. And a. 28. I think the one's 28. The one's like 26 and change or something. Oh. Yeah. Hand it up. What? Did you say. I think he's. He's two teens. At least 212. 213. At very minimum. But. Wow. Just small. I got a little gunk shy scoring stuff. After I scored that one buck. With that tape that started at once. We measured him. That's a 220 inch. I measured him very very conservatively. I deducted an inch per side. Added in his inside.

Which was 2 and a half. 22 and a half. And he was 212. We. We had. Dang. That's such a giant. We had. So. At some point. We'll tell the. Ashley Sean story. But we went up and measured theirs. And put all the measurements in. And then just threw it in AI. Because AI is supposed to add it up. And then. AI didn't add one of the numbers. And we're like. Wait. You didn't add this number. And they're like. Oh yeah. My mistake. Sorry. And. And then. You know how AI is doing that all the time. All the time. All the time. All the time. Purpose. Frequent. All the time. And I'm like. Manually add it now. We can't use AI anymore. AI sucks.

It does. I wrote it in a little piece of paper. And we just added it up. And then deducted an inch. Just to be safe. I've been checking the animal activity index. And it is no joke by the way. I don't care what anybody says. It's an hour off. I learned that. In some areas. What time zone are they saying? Yeah. What time zone? No. On the way point. You hit the way point. I'll tell them. I'll say. Hey. Give me that. Let's just say Cedar City. Because I don't want to say everything in my life. I'll be like. What's the animal activity index supposed to be for tomorrow in Cedar City? Utah. I'll say. It's going to be a high animal activity index. And it'll be from two to four. Two or five. Three bucks standing in the freaking. Wow. One little opening that I've been waiting for them to come out. They feed for an hour. Go back in. And another.

There'll be another slight increase in animal activity at 6 p.m. 6 p.m. They're back up and feeding. I have never seen anything like this. I would check it every day. Yeah. Interesting. John. I told John. I was like. High animal. Or the animal activity index is average. But your best time to glass would be 12 o'clock. He would be like. 12.03. He's like. Dude. I'm watching Bucks right now. Just got it. There's deer on their feet. I mean.

I'm a believer. Oh. I did forget one thing. So the next morning. I dropped my pack. Like 100 yards behind me. All my stuff. All I had was the. I had the ultra tripod. And the epic gun clamp. Did you have a reload? And my. Yeah. Oh yeah. I had. I had stuff all over me. He had a belt. Yeah. I mean. He looked at Rambo. I have. I have no shame in saying. Dude. I've been on enough. But you can only get two down. And then you need to spit and clean. I was getting to that point. Because I don't. I didn't clean it after I shot it. Oh. This. This old LRX likes it dirty. Like. You have to shoot it dirty. Very dirty. They do. Some of them do. So yeah. All I had was my bino harness. My tripod and a gun clamp. My muzzle loader. And dude. I mean. I knew. I just. That thing was locked in. It was awesome. Rock solid. It was good. Yeah. Because you couldn't sit. It wasn't a place you could sit. Yeah.

Too brushing. Yeah. And you wouldn't be able to see them. That's awesome. Yeah. That was a big difference. I have to be better at that. We ain't competing with that. We ain't competing with that Wyatt. We got nothing. Say it. I like how you say it. I got nothing. I got nothing. Me too Wyatt. It's an incredible deer though. He brought it over past the house. I missed it by 20 minutes. Oh. I put my hands on it too. The mass and character and weight in it. I mean. Just wild. It is. What were you saying yesterday? We should just take a saw and lop off the one horn. See if it's four pounds. I tried to get him to cut that big typical side off. Because I think it would be four pounds. What we should do. Well. He didn't. Couldn't hear it. And lop off the skull. But. Sometimes when you have just a little bit of skull cap. You can tell what those sheds would be.

Anything four pounds plus is world class. World class. Oh. Weigh it with the skull cap and then figure out. Yeah. And then just minus five ounces. His skull is going to. It's. It's a redheaded farm boy. Freak man. Yeah. It's another. You know. Holding like his chin up. Taking pictures. I've never labored like that. Like I'm like this thing is so freaky. How about that guy from Hogs and Heifers? Is that kind of what you're working with? He's. He's. He's.

Yeah. No. It is. Yeah. It's a big. Just awesome buck. Pretty awesome. Yeah. That's cool. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen. Very. Well. It feels like it does for you. Dovon. Why? This doesn't happen very often. No. And I. In the last five years. Geez. How awesome is that General Utah? I guess General's back. Huh?

What do you say to that? What do you say? I can't comment on that. I mean. Geez. I will say this year there's been a lot of good deer coming off the Generals. Yeah. It's been kind of surprising. Especially. I think. It's overlooked. In comparison to the. In comparison to the limited entries. Yeah. But you have to mentally be just dealing with like people. That's the hardest part for me. Yeah. The like people and. Getting over your own mental. People just. Man. All. Over. All the time. They are. All the time. It's hard for me. But. Yeah. It's just. You got to just let it go. Okay. All right. We have anything else we need to talk about John? No. No. I think we're good. Although. We had our hunt winner. From the grizzly last time. Just called in. And she killed a great bear. So. Well. They killed a great bear. Yeah. We might have her on the podcast. She was so excited to go. And so. Oh.

It was awesome. Man. It was an awesome experience. Janet and I. Fun to hear. She. Because. When we call to congratulate people. It's off my cell phone or whatever. She ends up giving us the play by play. And all the things. Just as soon as she got back into cell service. I mean. Wow. Just incredible. Just awesome. We like giving those hunts away. By the way. We have another grizzly hunt. We have another one. Yeah. For sale. We're giving away three awesome hunts. John. Do you got the information on that? Yeah. And that's. That's one thing that. That I was just going to say. The. That's also available in the app. So. If you download the app. You can see those easily. And. You know. See. See which hunts we're giving away. Right now. Right now. We've got three new ones. Got an Alaska. 2027. Alaska. Doll sheep hunt. And we've got a 2027. Alaska. Grizzly hunt. And then a 2027. Texas.

Barbera sheep hunt. So. Three hunts. On those. So you can get tickets right now. Either go to the website. Epic Outdoors dot com. And click on the giveaways. Or download the app. You do that for free. And you can still access those. We're going to give them away. In just over a month. It's. It's coming up fast. Short drawing. I can't believe how time's flying. It's crazy. But. Anyway. We've got some more stories for you. We're going to keep cranking. Aren't we Wyatt? Yep. Keep going. All we can do. It's all we can do. And if Devin kills another deer. I'm going to puke in my mouth. How about you Wyatt? I'll be happy for him. I mean. I'm always happy for him. I just might not want to hear about it.

That's awesome. It was fun to tell you guys. And see your excitement. That makes it. Even better. It's so fun. Yeah. It's so fun. Somebody's got to kill him. It might as well be Devin. Right? Might as well be. Might as well be somebody on our team. That's fine. I'm fine with that. It's like bringing a buck home. From an out of state. Going back to Utah. Where it belongs. Okay. I know. They hate us for that kind of thing. But they do belong in Utah. They do. So everybody. All the Utah guys out there. We wish you the best of success. Go get those deer and bring them back home.

Sheds too. Can you believe Nevada restricted a non-residence that much more? Yeah. Next thing you know. We're not even going to be able to go over there. We can't shed hunt until. You can't shed hunt in June anyway. It's too freaking hot. I mean. Is it June or July Wyatt? Do you remember? I think it's June 1. May 1 for residents. June 1. Probably ought to check twice. Oh. Free. I used to really like that. I don't understand this discrimination thing. Next thing you know, the port of entry is just going to look at your license plate and be like, sorry, bro. State lines are just an imaginary line. Have you ever seen? We're Americans. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And we're like, you can go to dinner across the state line. I mean, we're close to state lines. It's not even, I don't know. It's bothersome. It is kind of weird. We could restrict them a bunch. But then, what are we restricting them from?

Well, then, I don't know. They're hunting so much better. Why would they need to come over here? We'll still come to Utah. You can't draw tag anyway. I don't know. There's people. There's some people. All right. Okay. Sounds good. Well, good luck to everybody on all their hunts. We want to see all your photos. We're getting those in, filing them away. We're going to be utilizing those and publishing them and showcasing your successes. So, please send your stories and photos to photos at epicoutdoors.com. Or email. I just want to mention. Submit them on the app. You can mention the app. It's the best way to submit your photos and stories. Your pictures come right off your camera roll. Full quality. So, they'd be ready for the magazine. Just awesome. It's awesome. We also sell. There's some little pieces of gear that are pretty awesome. I used one of those little tripod phone holders.

So did I. Wow. They're so slick. Now, I'm going to admit, I suck when it comes to gear and having it all in one place because, you know, trucks and orifices and all the side panels and stuff. Anyway, I used it when we were helping pack out Ashley's Buck with Ashley and Sean. Geez. I will never go without that thing. Ever. No, you can't. The only thing it ticks me off. Is there a setting where you can have, where you do the self-timer and it takes more than one photo? Yeah. How? You can make it do like five photos or whatever. I don't know. But it's like, it's like, brr, like it takes them all. It's not like. Yeah, but when you. It's not like one second increments. It doesn't do. Because I love to do the little. Move them just a little. Yeah, like boom. Move them just a little. Move them just a little. Yeah. Yeah. When you hit that button, is it three, five, and ten? Is that the time?

I think so. Because that's what I did. I hit ten. Yeah, and I do ten.

No, mine takes, when I did it, it always takes like ten. Oh, you're in a. But all through the. It's a setting. Yeah. It's a setting. I kind of don't. I don't know. I don't like it. Yeah, it needs to be spaced out. Yeah. Yeah, that little thing's legit. I mean, you would think. It's tiny. It's like half the size. Not even. What would you say? Like, it's like a little bigger than a pen, but not as long. Like, it's literally like three inches by an inch. Yeah. We have two of them too. You're talking the ultra light one or the. No. The regular one is about just a little bit. The black one is the width of an Arca Swiss plate because it goes in there. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes taking pictures just phenomenal. It did. It changed our life. I actually took the headlamp because you know how the flashes are on a cell phone. Yeah.

So I took the headlamp, put it on us, and then that way that camera can focus. Focus. Yeah. Yeah. Your cell phone. We're going to have to learn how to do it because who else cares? I mean, I couldn't even find my point and shoot camera. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And so you're like, we're limited to the cell phone at midnight. You know? Yeah. It kind of is what it is. Anyway, all right. I'm done. I'm out. I'm getting off this bar stool. And we're going to go have some lunch. Good luck, everybody. Let's face it. If your goal is to kill big stuff, you need to draw quality tags. Quality tags are typically hard to draw. To increase your odds of drawing good tags, you need to apply in multiple states. That's where an Epic Outdoors membership can help. For only $150 a year, you get access to our consultants, our online tools, and to Epic-approved

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