EP 401: Taking Down Utah Bulls, Public Land Hunting Stories and Gear Updates

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson. Adam Bronson and Jason Carter in the same room in the hunting season. Wow, this is rare, Bronson. Been a minute. It has. Not going to lie. Everybody here. Keeping the road hot. We got Devin, John, Cash, Logan. Yeah. How are you all doing? Good. Devin.

Good to see you. Good to see all of you guys. Yeah. Devin's here because he's got tags punched and nothing else to shoot for a minute. Devin's going. Devin's predator hunting right now. Is that what you're doing? Are you predator hunting? I'm just working. You're just being a family man? My family's gone, man. Being the best husband. I've been alone since Friday. What do you mean? Jeez. It kind of sucks. I had a Little Caesars pizza for dinner. Did you turn the tables on? I shouldn't have said that because I know there's plenty of food. Did you turn the tables on her? Like, when are you coming home? Why do you leave so often? I planned to. No, they were actually not far from me going to Idaho to a wedding and I was hunting. You got done. I was done early and I was like, I'm going home. She's like, well, you're coming with us, right?

I'm like, I'm not going to make it there before you leave. No, I made it. But I'm like, I'll stay here and just drive there. I didn't know a guy, a husband and father that's been gone as much as you had choices and options. I haven't been gone that much. Really? You have actually kind of finished things pretty quick. Yeah. It's been good. Yeah. You're lucky. Bronson, why can't we get that lucky? What was the analogy I gave you the other day about my life, Jason? I said, my life is leading me around by, like, I got a nose ring. Like a cow with a nose ring. And I'm getting led around. My life is leading me around. I am not in charge of my life. But you did preface it with, like you, I am being led around. Like, we know each other's pain right now. Both of us. Yeah. You go through stretches where something should be dying. It's not dying.

It bleeds into the next hunt, whether that be a client, whether that be your next family member that's up. And you're just, you don't own your life. No. And when you're in the office 24-7, you want this to happen. You want the fall. And then when the fall comes, you're like, I need a break. How do I make my fall less busy? I want to go to the office. I hate the office. I don't know what to say. It is what it is. Logan, how's your life? My life is good. You still single? I am. Yes, I am still single. Thank you. I'm sleeping single in a double bed. That's right. Oh, my gosh. I have a king bed. I have a king bed. I'm manifesting a partner, and it's not happening. Leave a little extra space. You never know. Okay. Okay. Man. Poor guy. Yeah, don't have fun with that. Jenna's going to edit this, and she's going to have to decide what she really thinks. Hey, Jenna is the best wingman.

She laughs, but then she's like, no, all seriousness, cut that.

Let's see if it makes it. Whatever. I'm good if she's good. All right. Cash, how are you doing? Good. Good? Yep. Back to the office. You're in your own bed. Speaking of sleeping in your own bed, you're back. I'm not sleeping single, and I'm in a king bed. Yeah. But you're back at home. That is good. Yeah. She didn't run away. She didn't run away. She doesn't have choices now. We have a kid coming. She has no choices. I guess that's the big announcement. Have you said that on the hot mic yet? I don't know if I have. I think we knew that, but I haven't even told my wife. I had to have Jason hold his tongue once. Yeah. Becky can know. All right. Sometimes I just talk, and I'm like, ugh. Cash, I'm really sorry I did a reveal for you. Yeah. We did that once, and he's like, I remember him. No, he's like, cut that. Delete that. Yeah, March. When is this happening? March. Awesome.

Right in the middle of Lion's half season. Well, it's not hunting season. It's true. You've got to pick one season. I've got to pick one. It's going to be bad one way or another. If it's July, it's 110 degrees outside, and she's ticked. Exactly. If it's in the fall, you're ticked. Good thing about March is we know we're all around town. All in. You're in. You're not even going to remember April and May. No. What do they call that little vacation girls get when they have a kid? Maternity leave. Huh? Baby moon. No, no. Or maternity leave. No, maternity leave. Yeah, maternity leave. And then they call your leave would be paternity leave. Paternity leave? Right? Yes. For men. Hey, John, how much paternity leave do I get? That's my point. We don't have any. You get zero. Oh, dude. I get a day. You get an afternoon off. And you better clock up. I'll make sure, too.

I'm sorry. Your wife, you don't get rights as a dad here. That's all right. No, it's fine. You don't have to say, because you just announced it. But do you know what you're having? And if you do, are you going to tell us now? We're having a little girl. Nice. Just like Devin. That's awesome. Me and Devin are girl dads. That's awesome. I started off with two of those. It was nothing better. It was awesome, man. It was awesome, actually. Jason had to wait until the end. Yeah. Yeah. And now she owns you all.

She's amazing. Tell me I'm wrong. But, dude, she's fishing on her own, hunting on her own, taking her own pistol, taking her life in her own hands. You know what I mean? And as a dad, it's like, where are you going? That truck has 150,000 miles. You're like, dad, don't worry about it. Yeah, don't. I'm telling you. She hiked into that remote lake right over here. Yeah. Yada, yada. Uh-huh. Lake on the hill. And, dude, it was. No. I wish it was that close. And, dude, she caught the crap out of fish. I mean, no joke. I should show you pictures. Football. 20. 20 of them. And gorgeous. Oranges. The colors. What species? What species?

Anyway, it's no joke. Anyway, out shed hunting, out hunting, all the things. So I couldn't be more proud, but you're also. Owned. Well, it's just hard to be a dad and watch them leave with, you know, like. Don't they need a man to take care of them? Don't they need a dad? I've got a story. An awesome boyfriend or something. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. I've got a story about that. Your kid's just throwing up and not needing you. Yesterday. Okay. Yesterday. Let's hear this. This is recent. Oh, yeah. I heard a little brief overview. This is no joke. Oh, my gosh. Jeez. So I'm in church yesterday. Yeah. Been a minute. But there's, I mean, just been gone and some other scheduling things. But I'm there, and there's my wife. She's sitting down there. And I'm like, where's Ty? I'm like, I don't know where he's at. And I go down. Hadn't started yet. I said, where's Ty? Where's he at?

She said, I don't know. She looks at her phone. And I don't remember what kind of alert she got. Email, text, something that her insurance was accepted at the ER. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Whoa. And it had the name, Ty. Ty Bronson. And so she's like, that's weird. That was clear back. He had kidney stones back in January, if you guys remember. So it's like, no. And then my daughter got him a week later. We had a 10-day period. Kidney stone issue. We had problems in the family for a minute. And extractions. Blockages. We had extraction surgeries. Yeah. Anyway. They're going to get mad. But anyway. And so she's like, huh. So tries calling him. Goes. Doesn't happen. Looks at his locations. He's at the ER. What? And this is, yeah. This is yesterday. And so you're like, your mind, he's like, he's there. He took himself to the ER. I'm like, oh. And you don't know. Yeah.

If you get in a car wreck driving, they just take you to the ER. Yes. They don't, you know, like, is he under his own capacity there? Like, how is he there? I admitted myself to the ER. I needed drugs. Bad. Yeah. So she just walks out and drives there. And yeah, he's down there wailing in pain. Round two. Kidney stone. Of the kidney stone. Oh. Another one. He just crawled out. He couldn't wake up. Crawled to his truck and got in the truck and drove himself to the ER. Reminds me of Wyatt. Oh, my gosh. Wyatt told the same thing. And he gets out there, walks in there. And of course, then he's demanding. He says, I've been here before. I know what's going on. Of course, you're sounding like a crazy person asking for drugs in the ER, which they deal with. Big red flag. I can picture Ty. But yeah, he doesn't. Extreme duress. And I'm like, why didn't you tell us, Dad?

I don't even know where my phone was. I was just on such a mission. I'm going to die if I don't get there. Yeah. Just, I don't even know where my phone was. Sorry, I didn't text you guys. Imagine if this happens on a sheep hunt in the middle of nowhere. Oh, yeah. He is so spooked right now because of the places he's been. Call it New Mexico elk admitting yourself to the pie town. Yeah. To the reserve. It's to care in reserve. I'm in a lot of care. The veterinarian in reserve. That's all you got.

The vet. He's going to shoot you with ivermectin until I'm calm in the morning. It's true. So he's a little spooked right now. He went through. So this was 10 times worse than the other one. And when he went through all that and they CT'd him, they're like, you've got more in there. This may happen again. So it was nine months later. Oh. John, you've been through this. Dude, and we've talked about this on the podcast. Yes, we have. It's a reoccurring thing. But I cannot explain the level of excruciating pain. He was like a grown man doing. And they say pop causes it and stuff. You know how many pops I drink? Yeah. I have no problems. Logan, I'm clean as a whistle. That was a change of subject. But your kids, they don't need you. They go to the ER. They admit themselves to the ER. You don't even know. You're in church. They're supposed to be sitting next to you. Like, oh, that's funny.

He must have not been able to put his tie on right. He's in the ER. Must be having a hard time tying that bow tie. So, yeah. It happened. You kids. Hey, Devin, Cash, at some point, they're not going to need you for nothing. Just remember that. While they need you now, do everything they ask. Enjoy it. You know, coddle them. Do all that. Enjoy being needed is all I'm saying. Enjoy being needed. You're needed. It's just for different reasons. Trust me. And it's more expensive.

I'm going to leave it at that. All right. So, let's talk about what are we talking about today? Let's see. John, you just got back from Texas. Everything bigger in Texas? Yeah. Yeah? Dude. Did you just miss all the storms? Was there storms in Texas? I don't know, John. There were storms in Florida and California. I was in the hill country right by where they had all the floods, you know, last year. And all the church camps got. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And airlifted out. Yeah. I've never been to that area. We were about two and a half hours from San Antonio. And it's just wild. Like, we have flash flooding and we're ready for flash flooding. And it's like rock there with a layer of, you know. Silt. Two inches of dirt. Sheds everything. Yeah. Like our slick rock canyon country does. Yep. And so, yeah. No joke.

Every time you go through, like, a little dip in the road, they've got a post that has how deep. Depth meter. A depth meter. Yeah. So, if you drive through this and it says three feet, you better be careful. Yep. Yep. Differentials get water in them at four and a four and three quarters. Yep. I don't know. So, anyway, the country was awesome. Everything. It was great. So, I went there on a Swarovski dealer event and shooting course. So, we had the dealer event. Where they unveil some new products. Yeah. And so... So, are you going to tell us what the new products are? No, I can't talk about that. You have an NDA. You're under NDA. You've already violated that. Yeah, yeah. Because I heard you talking. This is not on public airwaves. So, yeah. Some exciting stuff coming from Swarovski. First of next year. Yeah. First of next year. January. Well, it's going to be SHOT Show.

They'll announce it at SHOT Show. So, that'd be January 19th. Yeah. Sometimes you can't control shipping and tariffs. Sometimes they're on the slow boat. Yeah. Or that like the Strait of Hormuz or whatever. I mean... Yeah. They've got tripods hanging out on beaches in random places. Although, Iranians... Driving, quoting through minefields. Yeah. Exactly. I don't know where they're at. Nor do I care. Yeah. I kind of care. Although, they're changing like this... The Trump has changed the dynamics a little bit on the tariffs and everything else. And they're moving some of the manufacturing and assembly to the U.S. Which is the intent of... Yeah. ...Knowat tariffs. Yeah. So... And repairs. And I posted a whole bunch of stories and whatnot on our Instagram channel talking about some of this, but... What gun did you shoot? What gun did the outfit... You didn't take a personal gun, did you?

No, I didn't take a personal gun. What gun and scope? You were ratting a rat. Did they know you were a felon?

For the record, I'm not a felon. Oh, my God. Jeez.

I told you there's some interesting juju in the air this morning at Epic Outdoors. We knew we had to... Well, when you all get back, it's like the first day of middle school. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Basically. Oh, my gosh. What did you do all summer?

Me? I'm doing fine. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, we were shooting 6.5 Creed Wars, and I can't talk about any of the optics. Yeah. Okay. But... Well, they don't hurt anything. Yeah. The freeds are safe. It's like a BB game. Yeah. Come on. Come on. Even with that, like, we shot, each of us, in a couple days, like, two, three hundreds rounds. Hundreds. Hundreds. My... I couldn't figure out, like, I kept, like, hitting my chest on... And I was like, dang, something... I hurt something in there. Maybe I got punched or something. I don't know. Maybe... You just slept on it. Your xiphoid process sticking out a little bit? No. So, then, at the end, I figure out that we shot so much prone that just the recoil of rubbing my ribs, hitting the ground back and forth, back and forth. I did the same thing. Yeah. I do timed things on those shoots. Yeah.

You've got to hit the ground range, get it in the scope, acquire acquisition, you know, and then... You're just doing a belly flop on the ground. You're doing a belly flop and you don't want to look stupid and you're also around a bunch of men that, I mean, they're judging... They're also 50, 100. They're judging the grunt. They're judging you by the grunt that you let out when you hit the ground, you know. And... Yeah, so it was... I mean, these dudes are no joke. They're very competitive. Yeah. It was intense and there's a lot of shooting schools that you can do and I would highly recommend doing a shooting school after this. This one was really geared toward like a military type. Yeah. Like all of the instructors were military and it was no joke. Like we were saying... Did you have to dress them? Yes, sir. Sir? At the end. What? Yeah. And you just did it... Habitually. Yeah.

Or out of fear. Yeah. No, maybe not fear, but several of the other dealers there, you know, had been in the military. They were all military. So everybody was just, you know... And then there was John. Yes, sir. A lot. Yeah. Lieutenant John. King John. King John. Did they know you were that? No, no, no. That did not come up. King John. But Jason's right. Like, you know, we did these competitions where it was, there's a target at 300, a target at 500, and a target at 600. And they would count down in between. You had to shoot, manage recoil. If you missed, you had to follow it up. And then dial in between, move targets. And it wasn't like a range. This was Healy country, and the targets were hidden in different locations on the mount. It goes back to why they say these lighter calibers are better when that recoil. You stay on target. Stay on target. Yeah.

And you're watching through the scope while you're jacking shells. Yes. So short action works better. Just a few things like that that are like... And, of course, it's their life in their hands. They're shooting the enemy, right? That's what they're trained. And so then we're taking it to the hills saying, I need to get this animal dead before he leaves the hills. He gets into a clump of aspens, whatever it is. And so you're making those shots fast, accurate, and just these little movements and whatnot, all of which is somewhat foreign. I mean, we're just Western dudes killing coyotes since we're three years old. I feel like 90-plus percent of people, regardless of the caliber, they shoot and they just look up. Not many people I hunt with watch. I have to give that talk to every client. See impact in the scope. Lay down. Stay in the scope. My job is to look at it.

Your job is just to watch it. And don't start cycling in the second round before the bullet even leaves the barrel. Some guys will do that. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So you learn a lot. I think that was the number one thing that I had to correct was looking up and, you know, over the scope. Watching impact to your scope. Watch it. Yeah. Watching the impact to the scope. Let's go and do the work. Getting ready again, you know, in case I needed a follow-up. And it's just hard to, like, teach yourself to do that over and over without firing a couple hundred rounds. Oh, yeah. Right. Well, and if you're doing it in a timed kind of, they're simulating in that case. It is. Whether you're shooting at the enemy. I mean, you want to win the hat or the vinyl case or whatever it is they gave away, what did they give away? One of the new products? No, no, no.

Jason's trying to get it out of you what they gave away. By the way, that's epics. This was pride. No. And between shots, it's not like you got a long time. The countdown was 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And you had to be on and shooting again. So if you missed, did you have to identify if you missed or did you have a spot or? No, they would say. Impact or? Miss. Miss re-engage. Okay. Yeah, that sounds like a military term. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Re-engage. Yeah. Have you ever used the term re-engage, Devin? I haven't. Shoot again. I'm going to do it. Only when that turkey was coming after him on the four-wheeler.

Re-engage. He's coming again.

A turkey or an owl. That's got to be good. That's got to be good learning. Duh. Yeah. It was really good learning. It was shocking the amount of talking about the difference between animals and human behavior when you're trying to, you know. Yeah. I don't usually need to know that a human can lay over on his back and be lower profile than if he's laying on his stomach. I don't need to learn that. No, it's like, how long would it take a guy to get from the bottom of the ridge to the top of the ridge? You've got a little bit more time. You can take some more time with it. Dude, an animal, you can't. You know. Wow, that's a different perspective. You need to really be on it. And yeah. Well, cool. And them talking about, yeah, taking several shots to get a guy off a motorcycle. You know, things like that. I mean, it was. It was life or death. It was no joke. Yeah.

So I'll run through kind of some of the other big things that just I took away. Having, I've never gone through any formal training. It's just, you know, Western teach yourself kind of thing. And I think setting up, they went through a lot of setup on, you know, how to manage recoil, being behind the gun. And then I've never known, like, yeah, you want your legs spread apart and you want your heels down. The reason is snipers will hit your heels. Whatever time. But not really. But that's how you remember. Low profile. Yeah. Low profile. Sniper's will hit your heels. Yeah. If they're sticking up. If they're sticking up. If they're higher than your head. So you remember, you want your toes out. But I would want them to shoot for my heel versus my noggin. Yeah. But it's not really they're going to take your heels out. But that's how you remember. Nice. And then you want to.

As flat as possible. You want to put your weight into the bipod. Honestly, how flexible are you guys? Yeah. Devin. Don't even. As soon as you said the F word, you look right. I knew you were going to look right at it. Yeah. Sometimes the basic things that we do in life are hard. Human anatomical functions.

We're having too much fun today. But seriously. Seriously. Yeah. Why don't you? Sometimes Jenna's like, she's giving me a haircut. And she goes, feet flat on the floor. Because then your head's straight. Everything squares up. Your body squares up. I can't do that. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, I can't do that. I wouldn't think that would make a difference on cutting your hair. But apparently. To the one cutting the hair, it must make a difference. I don't have. My cap won't stretch that long. Like, you know. I just. Anyway. These are personal problems. You can't do it. I know. Flexibility is a challenge. Can you say that? Yes, ma'am. They are. I just say they are. I think also just like if you're not used to sitting or in an awkward position. Like we sat on a buck the other day for five, six hours. And just sitting flat on the ground with nothing.

And I'm hugging a bush because I don't want to be skyline. Yeah. I was. My back. Like you just get fatigued. The same with shooting. Like if you're waiting for an animal or a guy. That's like our hunting. You say, like, just be comfortable. I'll watch you. Be comfortable. Because you sit there for that. Take it out. You have a guy sit there for that long in the gun. It's like you're going to want to rush that shot. 15 minutes prone. You want to not feel the pain anymore. Well, especially because when you're prone out, sometimes your back's curved. Your neck's curved. It's not. Yeah. It's hard to be really comfortable any time you're looking up at a scope. Unless you're a stomach sleeper and I don't know who does that. Yeah. Little kids. I sleep on my stomach. You do? Yeah. That's my point. That's the problem. How big a boy are you? Better not to handle it. Devin, how tall are you?

How tall am I? 5'8 and a quarter. So if you're 5'8 or less, you can sleep on your belly.

All right. Keep going. Anyway. Pretty fun. So another big thing, and I've always wondered this, and probably everybody knows it, but you should shoot when you're exhaled. Like, no breath left in you. So you're not. I was always taught you want to let out half of it. 50%. So like you don't want to. You just don't want to be holding. You don't want to. Well, and the reason is. They want it all out. You want no muscle support. Tension. You want all bone support and no muscle support. And that's why you do your heels, not up, because you're pushing and you're using your muscles to keep you in place. And now start vibrating. Yeah, if all your legs are on the ground, everything's grounded, and you're just pushing forward with your toes a little bit, and you're scooting yourself into the bipod. So you're leaning into the bipod. Then you manage recoil better. You can get on the target better.

And we did it. We did it all. And it's true. It works. And so if you let all that air out, you're on your bones. You're on your rib cage. And you're not holding yourself up. You can't. Like, what's half breath? You don't know. And it's not consistent every time. That's why your ribs and xiphoid process are a little sore, though, after it. Yes. Because those are your impact points. Your impact point is your rib cage. So that was another big one.

Rear support was probably the biggest thing. Like, we're all used to, like, supporting the front of our rifle, either putting it on a tripod or putting it in a clamp or putting it on shooting sticks or anything like that. And really, like, we used everything that we had, backpacks, whatever it is. If you can put a little bit more support under the back, you're way more stable. And so there was a cool technique that they taught where if you're sitting and you're not prone, you've got to be up a little bit. You've got your front supported either under sticks or whatever. But you do a cross-body backpack and you put your backpack under your arm. And then you try to get your leg up underneath your backpack. And so it's just the least amount of muscle support possible. And it was so much better. And then we went through a whole bunch of other, you know, standing, half-standing, all this

different stuff that I won't go into. But basically, if you can support the back of your rifle and the front of your rifle, way more accurate. Two points of contact. Yeah. Yeah. And then we did a whole bunch of stuff on wind. It's probably, it was a huge deal. Like, we were missing more shots because of the wind than the elevation, probably. So... But it's hard because it's anybody's guess. It's like, wind is so frustrating. If you're not setting up a precise, you know... Yeah, if you don't have your castor. And out there, that instrument's probably pretty accurate all the way through the 500 yards or the 800 yards or whatever. In our canyon country, we're out here. Oh. It can be dead calm at the animal or at you and different in between. And it's hard to judge. I was shooting the other day at a rock. I'm like, I want to test out this rifle real quick. And I had a breeze where I was at.

But then when I shot it, shot across a canyon. Draw, call it, whatever. Or a canyon for some people. And it slapped the rock. And it was like, way to the right. And I'm like, how is it doing this? Like, it was 850 yards or something. I'm like, how is it doing this? Well, I watched the video because I videoed it. I mean, the wind, the dust off the rock, the dust off the rock, I was like, that's like a 40 mile an hour wind up in that draw. You know what I mean? Because it was a draw and I wasn't in the draw. So I didn't see it. You know what I mean? And so anyway, then I'm like, now I'm kind of rattled a little bit. I'm like, I suck, you know, or whatever. I went over to another, like, so I drove a ways. And then I was like, there's no wind here right now. Yeah. Got out, smashed. I mean, within an inch or a half inch of, you know what I mean? And so it was perfect.

And I was like, that wind was no joke. It was no joke. It was no joke. And I'm not shooting a 225 grain 30 cal slug. Yeah. You know, that's able to penetrate wind as well. This was a 7 PRC, 160 grain acubon. Yeah. So anyway. We actually, we did that. We killed a buck this last week. And same thing. There was no getting closer. We could have, but he's bedded on the shady side. And the sun is hitting him in the hooves. You know, we're not going to get around there by the time he rebeds. And even if he rebeds from where we are now, we won't have a shot. Right. So we worked down the ridge and it was dead gone. And then I look over there at him and he's, there's one little quake and there's just, the leaves are just still, like they're frozen. Like there's no wind in between us and we killed him. No problem. It was a long shot. 900 yarder. Eight something. Yeah. Almost nine. Jesus. Pretty fun.

It was. That guy, he, he used to teach, like he's very experienced. His own gun. Yeah. His own gun. He used to teach a school. But you said one thing that was interesting that you didn't account for spin drift. Yep. And so when, and so if you put zero in these range finders, zero wind, it will give you a value on dialing left to right. Yeah. Based off of, it's a right hand twist of one and 10, you know, or whatever. And so, and, and that spin drift, I, and you and I've talked about this a bit in Bronson. It's that spin drift. I've always wondered like, how big of a deal is it? And it seems like, well, zero to a thousand. We don't think a lot about it, but it is calculated within the wind. If you say it's a 10 mile an hour wind in your SIG range finder, for example, at a 90 degree angle, spin drift is calculated in that. You know what I'm saying? Kind of offsets it. Yeah.

Kind of offset the cross. If it's a crosswind. Yeah. It was, I thought maybe it could be, he wasn't perfectly level, but it was so consistent. It had to be spin drift. And it was to the right. Yeah. It was just crawling to the right. Yeah. And apparently you can turn that off and on inside your range finders and whatnot. I didn't know that before, but. Well, and they probably weren't talking about SIG and a swirl event. No, but, but, but apparently you can. Some of them I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I just don't look at it. When was it? It was such a huge deal. I get closer. Yeah. Yeah. I get, I do the ethical thing. I get, well, I don't say that. I get closer. I just want to know if someone's going to die if I shoot it. Well, and not only that is, it's so hard to say, is it 10? Is it 12? Is it eight? Is it 15 in the middle? If there was, so there's a little bit.

If there was any wind at all, we would have. Not done. Risked it. Yeah. It was the only time I've, I mean, dead. I don't know. It was crazy. It's like out in Wyoming in that part of Nevada. Like, it never is calm. No. It was, it was weird. Like, antelope with Kentucky wind. It just can get interesting real quick. But even at 600 yards, it was, it was shocking that it gets affected. The bullets affected a lot. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know? 3 MOA was, was pretty typical. That's a lot. That's a foot and a half. Yeah. That's a lot of dial. There's a lot of windmills in Texas. Yeah. And, and it was cool. Like they had, they had some, you know, rule of thumb, you know, if you can feel it and it's pushing you back a little and I'm not going to get it exactly, but you know, it's, it's five miles an hour. If it'll blow your hat off, it's 10.

And even if you're not like exactly correct, then you're closer than you would have been. Usually you're not, you're not estimating over. Yeah. How much it is. And anyway, but like one of the rules of thumb, if you're just going for estimates, right? It was, if you half your distance, then, then that's the MOA you could do. So if you're at 600 and it's blowing, you know, 10 miles an hour, you half that to, to three MOA. To, to what? Half it to what? So you half the distance and then just call it. These are, these are quick. It's just a quick cheat sheet. Yeah. And you, and you have to like. Rules of thumb to engage. You have to see like, yeah. How, how fast is your gun and wind? And that's why you're doing a lot around. There was. I remember talking about that to me and I was like, okay, this is a information overload for me. Yeah. I'm a coyote guy from when I was three years old.

I'm not trying to hit a guy in the eyeball at 1200. No, but I might need to someday. And so I kind of want to know that there's a possibility of that. And then I'm going to have to run it through AI real quick. Through his. Yeah. Through his. AI will tell me what that little rule of thumb is. Yep. In fact, I'll look at it right now. No, no. Don't say we did it. But, yeah. It's, it was awesome. That's good, Johnson. That's really good. Ate good food. That's great. Ate great food. Did you kill anything while you were there? No, we didn't kill anything. You would think they'd take you guys on a hog hunt or something. But if they had, like, because if, like, animals that are foreign get in the area. You're talking exotics. Oh, yeah. Exotics. Fair game. So, apparently, like, there were some odd ads spotted that, you know, weren't supposed to be there. And they were fair game.

You were chopping at the bit? Or whatever. I'd have run thermal. I would not. You could run thermal down there and be like, boys, y'all shoot these little plates over here. I'm going to shoot over here. But I would have been like, I'll pass in case there's some, like, license that I needed. You need a hunting license. I was not going to. Yeah, you need a hunting license. Yeah. An exotic one. But, I mean, I would be like, maybe it's unethical with a 6.5 Creed. Come on, Carter. Hey. What do you think, Devin? Just hit him with that. Remember I got rid of mine? Now you can tell the truth. That gun has shot two shots since then. I love getting it. Gun's great. Creedmoor is out on the worldwide web. The only reason I wanted to get rid of it is I got it within a year of the PRC unleashing. And I have three or four of those now. Yeah. And I just didn't want a Creedmoor and three or four PRCs.

I reload and everything, whether I do factory reloads. It was kind of just the odd caliber. Devin's kept one of those. He's got a regular 6mm, and he's kept it. But I just decided not to. I didn't want one gun all by itself. I agree. And a buddy of mine had three Creed's for, like, their kids and all that. Yeah. So I'm right. It makes sense. Yeah, he bought it. You know when you think you're about done buying rifles? No, I haven't thought that. And then the rules. All of a sudden, I've tried to slow down. Wait until you hear this, Adam. I know where this is going. This is 100% for Jana to hear. I've tried to slow up. I mean, I've thought a million times. I'm done. I need no more guns. I don't. I don't need any more rifles. This is totally for Jana. And then the kids.

Twist your arm.

Anyway, the states changed the rules. And, Devin, how long ago did we put an order in for some open sight rifles? January something. Don't come. I tell Devin and Adam and I, we're all working on this. We were going to do, like, 20 because the states changed the rules. Like, you need an open sight rifle in these particular areas. Yeah. Yeah. Cache, Boulder, Beaver, whatever. And whoever else knows. I mean, change kind of runs. Like, one state does it and kind of paves the way for another state to consider it. And then there's short-range weapons and all kinds of things. I'm like, ah, a guy probably ought to have one of them. So, we're thinking we're going to order 20. And then they never come. And then it was just kind of like, oh, we canceled that order. In my mind, we had canceled all that. The other day, what happens, Devin? We got two 30-06s. 30-06s.

And you're giving me a hard time about having a Creedmoor in the past over a 30-06. I know. I know. I mean. But think about it. With an open sight, how far can you really view game and shoot ethically? You're like, well, 30-06 is plenty good. But, by the way, what's the other options? A 30-08, some other jank round. And you're just like, ah, right. 223, probably. And how many dudes has a 30-08 killed? Okay. Probably a few, right? A lot. Oh, it's probably valid caliber. But anyway, I'm thinking, well, 30-06, that's good. We were raised on those. And anyway, so we had ordered 30-06s in a CVA open sight. They came. They're awesome. They're no joke. Really? Oh. Have you shot them? No. Come on. I don't even know. Where would I find rounds? Walmart. Any gas station in Cedar City. Remington Core Law. Walmart has those. That's what I'm going to. You can get some Winchester soft points.

That's where I'm going. I mean. You can buy M1 Grand ammo off the internet if you want. Yeah. I'm just like, do you think they make a 30-06 in an Acuba? Probably. Guarantee they do. Or the ELDX? I mean, factory ammo? Or am I going to have to hand load 30-06s? No. Come on. So anyway, it's just one of those things. That shows you how much. It's been some time since we've shot 30-06s. But nevertheless, open sight. The stock has got splatters of paint on it. It's a really good-looking sucker. It's got a muzzle brake on the end. It's kind of semi-bullbarrow-ish. Bullbarrow-ish. Like, it's for the price. Wow. So what are you going to do with them? I'm kind of excited about it. What are you going to do with them? They're in the basement. So do we have any? The rest of the stuff I don't use. Just if all glass and optics get banned in the western U.S., you've got the only two guns

that you can do something with. I don't know. Hey. So Logan. So Devin's hitting Logan, saying, dude, some of your buddies over there that are hunting these unique areas probably need them. I told Devin, no. They're sold. I'm like, tell Logan they're sold. I know some people that could use them. Those are sold. You don't get them. It's hard to find an open sight. Oh, it's so hard. Muzzle brake. I had to take. Bolt action rifle. I took one of the old Remington. All tapped, and you're not doing it janked with your neighbor down the street and stuff like that. And I have one of those. Janked. Neighbor down the street. Took a 300 Ultra. Out of the box Remington. One of the last. You know, or whatever. I'll probably get them now, I guess. I don't know. Anyway, took it down and had a sight welded on it. I mean, they call it welding. It looks professional. Yeah. I shot it.

It's just one of the people. Hey, I also have a shotgun Bronson. Go ahead. Talk about that. I don't need to. Remember these unique weapons? Have you ever shot that? No. I thought I was going to be smart. The hams is handgun, archery, muzzle, shotgun. Is this the buck hammer? Smoothbore now. Hams. This is it. Yeah. Remember? They had double S's at the end. Yeah. You smoothbores. So I was like, what if I go on that hunt? Or straight walled. Straight walled. Straight walled. Straight walled. Not smoothbore. Like that buck hammer? Yes. Like the one Logie Bear has now. That was mine. Like my lever action Henry, yeah. And that's awesome, right? It's great, yeah. But that was before we had the option at this CVA. Yeah. Like, it was just hard to find an open sight option. Anyway, so, yeah. You've got. What do you do? So I have that shotgun, right? So you've got four guns. You've just said.

300 ultra shotgun and two 30s. But the shotgun, I was going to shoot slugs. I was going to be the smartest guy in the world. And I'm going to have this pump shotgun that's no. Or a semi-automatic, actually.

And I was like, man, I'm going to be the smartest guy in the world. I'm going to have a semi-automatic 20 gauge with slugs. How's that work out? And open sight. Well, to put the open sight on a thin wall barrel, you can't do so. Now you really. Order in another barrel, which is heavy. Now you know why they just. I got a 12-pound shotgun with no sights on it. Now you know why most shotguns, they just super glue a BB on the end of it. Call it good. Okay. That's where I'm at. I'm going to have to AI something. BB weld on a little. Anyway. Moving right along. And these are hunts that I don't even have. These are hunts that I have options. Y'all might want to rent from me. This is the flashy lure principle. It is. For Carter Carter. He'll hit it. He'll hit it once. Every time. Flashy lure. He's the fish that'll hit every lure once.

Maybe not again. He might spit it out before you get him to shore. From then on, you're going to hear smack. But he's going to hit it once. Anyway, whatever. Let's talk about something else. What else are we talking about? Oh, I did want to mention. I was not aware that I should have taken one of our tripods. Why? And so I had to use other tripods while I was there. Made you grateful for all of us. Shameless plugs we got coming on. Hey, I'm the king of shameless plugs. King John. King John. Oh, shit.

But, dude. Like, there were tripods there that all the dealers were so excited about. They're like, yeah, we're carrying these. Did you show them yours? They're $1,200. No, I should have. I didn't know that I was supposed to take one. So they just had some, you know, some there. Ours are so much better at half the price. It's insane. So get yourself in that big outdoor tripod. All right. Get some. All right. So let's. What else? Devin, how's Nevada looking? In terms of vegetation or what? Like, what do you mean? No, it's just kind of fun. You had a good experience the last week or two. Mountain Deer, northern Nevada. It was hot. Yeah. The day I got there was 89. And then it was highs of like mid to low 80s. This was October 5th opener, right? Yeah, 5th to the 9th. It was. Too hot for October. The first day there was clouds and we saw it was better.

But from then on it was just, man, after that first hour. They were dug in. Baking. That's we digging up bucks in their beds. Just digging. They call them hard time bucks. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. October hard horn bucks are brutal. They are. Unless you're on a private ranch. There is nothing better than like just glassing a buck in the grass. It is. See a tang. Like you just. Tang in the grass. You literally, the key, you just have to believe. Because. There's a buck there. You just have to believe. Because you'll. If not, you're. You just got to believe. And all of a sudden you see a white face under a rock. It's like. Chewing his cup. Shoot him in the face. It's awesome.

Pretty awesome. You had a great experience. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah. It was good. It was fun time. I mean, not big deer. Nice bucks. But. It was fun. Good camp. Just a fun time. Fun trip. Pretty awesome. Cash. Cash has been laying down wapiti. Yeah. Like three or four last week. I don't know. No, just two. Two last week. Counting your buddies? Are you going to count that as a .5? That's like a .5. Okay. I played a part in it, but I wasn't there at all. Pretty integral. So. No, I. I take credit for that. I take credit for finding it. Yeah. So do me. Yeah. Yeah. I found it for him. So that's good. Three by four legal spike or whatever it was. Yeah. Three by four. His first bull, my buddy Dylan smashed it. Kind of made a little. We. I found it the night before and texted it to him. I was like, here you go. This is. This is where you probably need to be. On a silver platter.

I handed it to him. Just like a gift. Smoked it the next day. He went in there and some other guys shot a different spike in the group and they missed. And it went across the canyon. And he put a stalk on it. What does a guy have to do to get on your good side? Like you and I were in Wyoming. We're on good side. Nothing from you. What do you mean? You give me nothing. I got no bucks from you. And when I did go with you, I had to leave my gun in the truck. That was the deal. You made me sign. You made me sign an NDA. No shooting. A non-disclosure. I would have handed you my gun. I'd have tossed it off the cliff. Whoa. Whoa. Let's just say if you and I were side by side, you'd have your tag on that book. I was supposed to, but I missed. Grandpa Jason put one right in the boiler room. Grandpa Jason.

We're getting some good stories down.

No, but, yeah, earlier in the week I had a mid-rifle guy. So, yeah, I guess the next day he's killing that bull. And we're just hunting the heat. And it kind of sucked. And on day five, or I guess day four, we found the bull we ended up killing that I'd seen the week before. And got in there in just a tough spot. And he's hunted a lot. Like, he's hunted a lot and everything. And it was just a tough situation and just all the thick crap just to get, you know, communication. And all that is always hard. Like, hey, Kay's here. Buy this dead tree. Buy that live one. You know. Which green tree? There's a hill full of them. A whole hill of them. But, no, they were loaded in there. There was probably 20 cows and eight bulls. Two of them were shooters. Like, crazy. They bugled their face off until 11 o'clock. And then they were pretty quick. This was mid-rifle? Mid-rifle. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, bugled their face off until 11. Because I think mid-rifle's a little bit tough in many cases. Oh, it was. It was very tough. Oh, yeah. Until we got on this bull and we had him to ourselves. Okay. This is after. Four or five days. Yeah. The first big push. Spike hunters are not going to usually miss the whole week of work. Right. Exactly. They're going home now. Exactly. And I told him before we even started hunting. I said, hey, listen. You ready for a Tuesday to. I said, it's either going to be we're going to kill him first thing opening morning. Or it's not going to be until Tuesday, Wednesday, midweek, the next week. And that's exactly how it played out. Yeah. You know. And so, no, but ended up getting that bull killed. He was tickled. Sent him back to Illinois. And ended up going back over to a different unit. Took a brand new hunter. He was booked for three days.

And we get there, get him on a bull first night. Doesn't quite come together. He's never hunted, never shot a rifle past like 250 yards. So, we find this bull across this canyon in a meadow, 840. Did you have your gun this time? Sounds like it's going to go into the unethical zone here shortly, Devin. Was there. Was the leaves blowing? No, not too bad. But, no, we had a gun for him and everything. And so, there was one of those where it's like, well, we can't get closer. So, we got him in a good gap and got him rock solid, like on a tripod with a pack under everything. And he's like, yeah, I feel pretty good. Shot, hit it. And it kind of rolled around into some pines. And so, we took off and made a big loop and found him in there and ended up finishing him at 100 yards. That's awesome. So, his first big game animal. So, it was pretty awesome. Oh, he's over the moon.

So excited and so grateful. Before Rachel moved in on you, too. Yeah, exactly. That was the big thing. That was looming coming into the weekend. That was one thing. We were sitting there cutting him up. And me and my uncle, it was my uncle-in-law that helped me. And we looked at each other like, how blessed are we? We're like, it's supposed to be raining right now. We just killed this bull. Was this Friday or Saturday? Saturday. Saturday. Oh, yeah. Saturday. Oh, yeah. You were lucky. Yeah. We're like, we just killed this bull. And we're like, getting it loaded on our back. And it starts like sprinkling. We get in the truck. Well, we weren't in the truck for five minutes. And it's like pouring. After the last load, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Get it all back to the truck. We get in and get out of there. And we go. That's when you know you're living right. Yeah. We go and pick up my truck.

And we're driving back to camp. Rains the entire way back to camp. As soon as we get to camp, shuts right off. Forced to clean everything up. We get out of there. Wow. Dry as a bomb. You didn't even sleep the night and go home the next morning? We stayed one night. Oh. Yeah. You stayed another night? 24-hour hunt. Oh, man. Jeez. Wow. Hey. So, it was awesome. It was pretty cool. When's the last time you've had a 24-hour hunt, Jason?

I just. Well, there may. We did do Texas barbary. But I don't know. That was about 40. Yeah. More like 40 hours. If you're not counting. And did I get one, Devin? No. You did. Oh, that's one. Sorry. I left out a major detail. Oh. Of the mid-hunt. Okay. Where me and my first client are up on the mountain. Is this Logan? Yes. Oh, no. Me and my first client are up on the mountain. We go driving down this road. We pass this campfire off the side of the road. I look over. I look over. No. Unattended? Unattended? No. It was fully attended. Somebody's back. I look over. I was like, man, that looked like a maroon truck. I was like, huh. Logan did stick to the plan I made him. I planned out a date for him and everything. You did? There's Logan with a girl right by the fire. Right there on a little date. Logan. Cash. Cash. There is more to this.

You're trying to blow his elk out by smoking up the canyon? There is so much. He's way away. There is so much more to the story. There is a lot to the story. Oh, no. How did that end, Logan? We've got to be really careful here. We've got to be really careful here. We could really rake someone over the coals here. And it's me. No, not you. No. No, not you. I'm under the rake. He was juked. Yeah. I'm surprised he's not in two full leg casts. What? He got juked so hard. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. It's true. We're going from hunting to dating. Well, we do with Logan. It's the only thing we do. It's the only thing he does. People we can talk about. I go hunting. I go hunting. Hunting for women. Are we leaving at that? Or do you want to go into this? I mean, I think that's the whole story, yeah.

Jason, did you want to talk about Nevada?

Yeah, I need to hear about it. Nevada? Nevada's good. It's always there. It's always there. It's always there. You never win the gold. Hard time bucks. That's why it's called the silver state. You never win the gold. Silver state. You never win the gold.

You never win the gold. There's no gold in Nevada. All silver. Anyway, Nevada, it's awesome. We've got Nevada. Then we're moving on to Colorado. A friend of mine has a Colorado tag. Of course, I've got a Colorado tag. You always have a Colorado tag, right? Who doesn't have a Colorado tag here at the table? Devin. What? Devin's got Montaigne along with me. We'll be up in the big sky country here in a few weeks. I thought about that. That's right. Bruh. So, anyways, Nevada. How'd you forget about that? He didn't. He told me about it today. Better than a general tag in Montana. That's right. Big deal. John, what do you got? That's a long way. Colorado. Yeah. Nice. And you got Utah General. And Utah General, yeah. That's great. Me and John are hunting together. Yeah. You are? Yeah. I told John already I'm going to watch him just pull around, shoot one at the 1,200 right

over top when he's at four. Just whatever. Glassing from the same tree as other people. If you're helping cash. I'm going to glass 20 feet away from cash. Cash, just make sure you take a rifle too and let him tag it with you. I know. This is what I'm going to do to John. I'm going to, instead of going like, you know, I'm going to glass right with John. Instead of, you know, 60 yards, I'm going to be like 20 feet from him. Just see what John says to me, you know? John, haven't you had guys roll up next to you and then hang out with you and say, oh, you're from Epic. I think I'm in the right place. Yes. Yes, I have. Did that happen to you? I have that happen to me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, no kidding. Was it a guy from Wyoming? Yeah. Yeah, he was. Or he's in Wyoming now. With ties to Southern Nevada. I wouldn't call him a Wyoming resident. No. I don't even think the residents are claiming him.

No, I wouldn't think so either. But nevertheless, he did. He rolled right up next to you. Wasn't it the pumpkin orange stuff that you were talking about was right under you and you were like, man. No. That was a different story. That one I filmed. Okay. And that was just a guy and his daughter, you know. Yeah. That guy I yelled over, hey, you want me to shoot over your head? And he's like, yeah. Yeah. He's like, I don't know. I'm going to know you to duck when I'm ready to slide. My truck. You know I'm here. My truck is like 50 yards away. What about the Wyoming guy that did that to you? How'd that go? Yeah. The Wyoming guy. I'm up. I get up before, you know, the crack of dawn. I hike in there. It's dark. I set up. Sun's rising. And I hear something behind me. I turn around. A dude walks up right behind me. Sits. Like, I don't know. Maybe it was 20 yards. It was 20 feet.

Like, I could hit him with a rock, you know. He went that close to you. That close. And just sat there, glassed the exact same spot. So close, you probably heard a monster can open up or something. Oh, yeah. You know what Chris would do? Chris wouldn't talk to him. Yeah. Chris, like, turns set, keeps glassing. I mean, it's awesome. It makes me feel weird. It's uncomfortable. He's so good at it. He's so good at it. Well, I should have. Anyway, he's like, are you one of the epic boys? And I was like, yeah, I am. And he's like, oh, yeah. Did you video this? So, no, I didn't video it. I was just putting my stuff away. I'm so-and-so. Yeah. Yeah, so he tells me his name, where he works, everything. And I'm like, I don't. I don't. At the time, I did not know who the dude was. I was like, whatever, man. Just come and, like, hold my, try to hold my hand while I'm glassing. Anyway, so I pack out.

I go to my truck. He's parked next to my truck. He followed my trail in. Like, it was on purpose. You know, and I've got an epic sticker on my truck at the time. And I'm like, yeah, jack wad. Anyway. Well, so that's the one thing about Nevada is it's big enough country and there's few enough tags. That doesn't happen a lot unless there's one big deer in the area or something like that. You know what I mean? So I've enjoyed driving, seeing one or two bucks, and driving home. And then sometimes I drive and I don't see any bucks and I come home. You come home. Yeah, and I go to work and then I drive again and don't see any bucks and I come home. So anyway, that's the routine we're in right now. When's something going to go right soon? I mean, literally, that's sometimes when I ask myself those questions. When's something going to go right? Soon. All right. Okay. Well, anyway.

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But anyway, yeah, if you want to check that out, if you're in the area, they're a good sponsor of ours. They're awesome. Kuyu makes great products. Yep. We're wearing it nonstop. It's crazy. We're finally to – I've been in the desert a lot the last month. We're finally going to start layering up. Finally. It's been a base layer T-shirt or like a Gila hoodie just to get the sun off. It's like all I've ever worn. 40 days in Wyoming, I wore the Tiburones. Even in colder weather, like, I don't know what about those pants. I just like them. I love them. But finally get a start. They're a little bit – they're lightweight. But they're a cheaper pant anyway. They don't cost as much as a heavy pant. Well, and they're just lightweight. So you've got to expect that. But you wouldn't believe what mine look like, and I don't care. I like them. There's more holes. Yeah. More airflow. More airflow.

They're awesome. They're the best ever. But anyway, yeah. I'm actually glad to start layering up a little bit. I'm kind of excited to see the changing of the seasons. I don't know about you guys. The older I get, I'm like, another fall. Yeah. More red leaves. I don't know. All the little things. You know what I mean? Mother Nature still doing everything. It's definitely – When I was a kid, I'd be like, I don't care. Show me the 200-inch. I don't care about these leaves. Now I'm like, well, at least there's pretty leaves. Look at the sunset through the golden aspens. You know, this is – I'm not seeing any bucks, Jenna, but it's so pretty out here. Some of those leaves, I think. Just like you.

Jenna's been a rock star. That's the one thing we spend a ton of time together. She glasses so well that it does make me lazy. I experienced it firsthand. I said it. She does. She is impressive. She's focused. You know how gals are focused? Locked in. She is locked in. She's locked in more than most of the guys I've found in. She does. And she'll be all day. I'll be like, so I put her up on a knob in Nevada, and I'm like checking on her once in a while. Like, what's she doing, right? Is she sleeping, or what is she doing? Non-stop class. In the class. Non-stop. Non-stop. Anyway. She wants to break the silence and say, Jason, I got your pop. She's motivated. She wants to tell you that. She's motivated. Or even more than you already do. And when she comes back and doesn't see anything, I'm thinking, she saw more than I saw her.

I know it's okay. I had to lay my head down for 20 minutes. Yeah. I took a nap, got up, checked on her. She's still glassing. I got it. In fact, I'm sitting in the brush, but she can't see me. I'm sitting at water. I'm at 70 yards. Anyway. Not sitting in water anymore, thanks to all our wonderful weather. Anyway. Pretty awesome. Throw a little shout out to Fierce Firearms, by the way. They're no joke. Great rifles. We sell them. Anything you want, let us know. We're happy to visit with you. Go to the website, fiercearms.com. Check them out. See what you want on there. They're just great rifles. For the price.

And you say that. I say that carefully. Because it's not like, well, for the price, they shoot really good. No, they actually shoot really good. Yeah. And they're affordable. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They shoot like a price tag of a $5,000 rifle. They do. Absolutely. It's unbelievable. So, anyway. Yep. Shout out to them. If you're looking for anything, let us know. We also deal in Zeiss. Devin. Yeah. We're selling Zeiss like it's our freaking job. We've got a bunch of Zeiss. Scopes, vinyls, anything you want. It's awesome. Actually, rifle scope wise, it's like the most affordable, but excellent. Excellent. Quality product. And so many different SKUs for exactly what you need it for. If you're wanting to go for a $1,000 rifle scope or $1,100, $900 to $1,200. Yeah. There's different variations in power. Maybe it's eliminated. Maybe it's not. Whatever.

If you're looking for that kind of price range, you can't go wrong with Zeiss. In fact, that's where I'd go first. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. For that price bracket, 100%. But then you can go up to the V6 and V8s. Check everything out there. That's exactly right, Bronz. Check everything out at Zeiss.com backslash hunting. Of course, you can check out the SFLs, vinyls, things like that. And we've got them in stock. Yeah, we have a lot of them. Yeah. We have. And the best prices you can get anywhere. Yeah. So check it out. Also, you can go to our app, John. We're selling products on the app. We are selling. We're selling products off the website. The website's taking a new look, by the way. Yeah. So it looks a lot like the app, right? We've kind of made those up a little bit. Oh, and we should. Anyway, we'll have to go over it sometime.

But if you're a member of our licensed application service, you're going to die when you see your new profile. The new look. The new looks. And the ease of seeing what you're doing, seeing what your applications are, and everybody in your family. It's like if you want to keep track of stuff, it's awesome. But I'm like, what about the guys like Adam and I who hate change, John? We hate change. This change is so much better that when you experience it. Adam, you get tired of people telling us that this change is good for us. Oh, yeah. I know. Jeez. It's so good. I wear my holy pants that are 10 years old. Yeah. The new ones are better. I was noticing my daughter. Yeah. We went hunting, and she's got a little bit newer, a lot newer. You know, a lot newer. 10 years newer. I'm like, mine doesn't have all the little, it's got a thing on, it's got a zipper on the upper arm here.

And two in the center. Yeah. Two in the center on her guy jacket. On her guy jacket. That's where I stuff my phone. That's right. Now she's got two of them and one right here for like elk color. So I'm like, oh, I should probably upgrade. But it's not worn, my coat's not worn out, and I've killed some, it's just my coat. That's my coat. And as a company, you want to wear, you want to make products that wear out fast, but you don't get that reputation. There's a fine balance. But it's just, I've got my, it's like I've got my Peloton brown hoodie one, and that's like, that thing is so worn. But I just, it's just what I wear. I have the original down, the lightweight, that little lightweight jacket. Oh, I do too. The little brown. Yes. Or the spindrift. It's actually, I think, maybe not even down. I can't remember. It might be synthetic. The brown one. Yeah, the brown one. The spindrift.

And it's like it was. It's ounces. It's ounces. It's not near as warm as the other ones. No, it's not. It's not. I wear that when I go to the grocery store. September in Wyoming? No, okay. Okay. I do. But August, September, up in Wyoming, I use that almost daily. Yeah. Almost daily. But anyway, all right, moving along. Sorry. Yeah. I also wanted to give an update on my wall that I built in my front yard. I did a huge natural stone retaining wall. I talked about it on the podcast. I think you were gone. Well, we knew this project's been going on for months. So I think this will be done until springtime. No, it's done. And it looks phenomenal. Yeah. What? I'll show you pictures, but. Okay. I'm going to have to take a drive over to John's house. Yeah. It looks really, really good. But that meant I was, you know. Working hard. Sweating hard.

And so I drank the heck out of all the Apex products because. Is that where this is going? Yeah. I knew it was. Oh, my gosh. I didn't know it was going there. What I was saying is, you need to clock in more, hair it up. No. So, yeah, I love Monster, but when I drink too much, my kidneys hurt. So I have to go to something else. Something a little more healthy? Yeah. So, anyway. But, man, I drink so much of that stuff. It's good. They've got some new flavors coming out. You can get them on our website, through our app, and there's a 20% discount on them. Yeah. So there's a 20% discount on them right now. And you can just order them right through the app. And they get shipped to your house. So, really awesome. They try to focus on being semi-healthy. I drank those like crazy in Wyoming. Yeah. Me too. Still didn't produce a giant buck. Don't you find you drink more?

Like, we're not going to sheep hunt up north. Oh, yeah. The water's as cold. This is for Devin. As cold as you can get. The best. It is. But I don't drink that ice-cold water as much of it as when I put a drink next in it. Something in it. I can guzzle it then. Like, pure cold water is just, I don't know. I don't know what it is. I'm just, I'm a juice guy. You definitely don't want to guzzle it. I'm the same way. I'm a juice guy. So I would be way better hydrated if I put the flavor in there. Like Apex. They call that additives. What? Additives. Okay. It's like a nice diesel motor.

Diesel's run on def now, Jason. That's true. I like when you pack. Not some of them. When you just know your body needs it and you do the recovery and like, you just feel better. You actually crave it. It tastes good. Yeah. We drank a lot of water from out of the mountainside this fall. It was kind of refreshing. I don't know. You know what I mean? No. It makes you feel like raw water out of the earth. Fresh without cows and milk. I don't know. Mother Earth comes to mind. It's just like, yeah. She's giving me something. Kind of cool. It's awesome. All right. Are we done, John? What are you doing? Yep. We're done. I was showing you this wall. It looks awesome. There's mortar involved in that, John. Oh, yeah. You got an excavation. Is the fox den now covered up? No. The fox den's in the backyard, so it's still there. The fox den ain't going anywhere.

I just remember it was in piles of rocks. I thought that was maybe your base rock that you used. No, I've got a giant now. I have pet predators. Good to have projects like that done with, huh? Oh, so good. Now I just got to finish the rest of the yard in the front. Sprinkle out some seed. We got rain falling every day right now. Yeah. No kidding. See what happens. All right. I'm done. I'm done talking. I'm done. I mean, it's lunchtime. Getting hangry. It's time. But anyway, do we have anything else that we need to talk about? Nope. That's it. If you do need products, we have a lot of stuff in stock. We have a lot of offers. And we can get it out to you right now. We know people are hitting the hills. Our gals, we're usually here now, back Monday through Friday. Somebody's usually here. If you have, like, something broke on you, lost something, or you need to upgrade, give them a call.

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