EP 402: An Alaska Grizzly Bear, Idaho General Giants and New Epic Tools

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, John Peterson. What do you got going on, Wyatt? Me? How are you? Yeah, I'm good. I'm back. Yeah, me? That reminds me. Me? I'm doing fine. I'm fine. All good here. Are you doing fine, Wyatt? Doing fine. Yeah, well, we're in the office. I don't know how fine we can be, Wyatt. There's just a few of us right here at this table. Logan, me, you, John. A few incredibly rainy days in a row. Incredibly. Hey, you know what's interesting? When it's not your house flooding, you're happy.

Yeah. But, man, there's a lot of flooding going on, and I do feel for them because I have been in the mud. Like, just like the mud I'm seeing all over social media. It's crazy. Yeah. It looks like John found some mud. I did find some mud last night. I'm just glad to not be putting tire chains on in the mud. I just wonder, Wyatt, do you ever wonder, like, does John do these things on purpose just to have podcast material? I'm okay if he does. I guarantee I did not. Duck pond on the way to the bowling alley, and I took my truck and went right through the middle of it.

So, what? No, it was super sketchy. I sent a video to you guys, but you couldn't see. It was on the side of, like, a pretty steep hill. And so, the back tires were sliding off into the canyon. You know what I mean? And it was super slick. So, the only option I had was to get out the winch. And I actually had the winch turn me around in the middle of the road. Oh, wow. It's nice, huh? Best truck you ever owned? Best truck. Best winch. 75 feet winch. Yeah, it's no joke. I wondered, like, how long it was forever. I got to find out. And it's rope. It's not cable. Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. It was awesome. Dude, yeah. Yeah. Usually chain. But, you know when you're back in, just all of a sudden, you move forward and your back end goes whoop. Yeah. And your back tire's, like, hanging off the edge of the... Yeah. And you're like, if I move any more, like, I'm sliding off.

Sometimes, do you have... Did you have lockers on? Because sometimes the lockers actually will grind together and slide you off. No. You know what I mean? Yeah, I didn't have them on for that. But, yeah. No? No. No. It was just so... It was, like, fine. They were kind of, like... It was, like, a rocky-based road for a little bit. And it had been raining for two days straight, almost, it feels like. Yeah. And right before we went out last night, it was a hailstorm like you wouldn't believe. Yeah. Hail. Wow. And, anyway. So, we got out. And I was totally fine. Did not feel nervous at all, like, the whole time until right before this happened. And I said to my daughter, I'm like, ooh, it's slick. It's slickery. It's, like, going all over the place. Anyway. So, then, like, I tried to, like, hug the top side of the road. And I just slowly start sliding off into the nothing.

So, I stopped before we got too far. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Her boyfriend was there. And bless his heart, he was muddy from head to toe. Hey. I was muddy. My truck is muddy. We'll just see if he sticks around. So... Did you test him on his knowledge of putting on chains and taking off chains? Like, hey, son. Yeah. It was pretty awesome. I'm going to need you to climb under this truck. Well, then that brings us... Connect that connection on the inside of the tire. It brings out a story where he was deer hunting and went down into this canyon, had this Cherokee, like, Jeep, and broke both back leaf springs. Oh. And left it there for a couple weeks, went and rebuilt the leaf springs and... Put it back. Welded them back in, fixed it in the hole. He's a pretty decent dude right there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He kind of knows what he's doing. He's a keeper. I've... Okay.

I had that happen to a single axle trailer and then had to come back. And you measure eye to eye, come back, get leaf springs, take them back, put the springs on. And you're fixing it in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of nowhere, yeah. Dusty, dirty. Yeah. Anyway. I don't know. Sometimes it's all right to be in the office, Wyatt. Yeah. We don't have to climb under trucks. Avoiding those situations right there. Clean seats off floorboards. Nothing. Yeah. We're doing good. We get to choose where we go to lunch. Doesn't have to be on the tailgate. You know what I mean? Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. I agree with that. I was praying hard. I just tell you that. Did you guys see deer or no? Yeah. We saw a lot of deer. Just nothing big. You know? Yeah. Nothing big enough to shoot, but lots of deer. Yeah. Yeah. Utah General. Yeah. Yeah. And lots of people. The land of opportunity. It's good.

Yeah. All right. It's good. Logan. I guess Logan's got his straight wild cartridges ready to go. Ready to go. I am. Henry lever action. This is awesome. 360 buck hammer. I like it. I like it. Wyatt and I looked at the bullets. Wyatt. They were like the old Remington Corlock. Remington. Yeah. Love those bullets back in the day. We had no problems. They held together. We, you know, now we're so critical of every little bullet that comes out. And it's not an acubon and all this. And whatever happened to the Corlock? You know? Condors. Yeah. You can sign your name at the end of it. You know? Condors. Yeah. The condors ate them all. Yeah.

Freaking birds. They're attracted to land. I don't get it. Whatever. Your stupid birds need to die.

All right. Moving right along. So, John, we're giving away hunts. We're giving away three hunts. We've got an Alaska doll sheep that's no joke. Incredible. Jeff Burwell, Alaska High Peak Adventures. This is very expensive. It's about 60 grand. Yeah. It's no joke. And I talked to the guy that was our member that we just sent on it because I got pictures from him. He couldn't stop about how awesome the hunt was. I mean, he killed a giant ram. He did. Yeah. In fact, I think we sold him the gun that he killed it with. Yeah. Devin and I went and shot it in. Anyway. And then, and he's running 100%. Just awesome. So, and then they, and that was this year. The Alaska Grizzly we're giving away with Lance Kronberger. Incredible hunt. Lance is known for big bears. We're proud to be giving that away. Very expensive as well. And then a Texas Barbary sheep. Wyatt, you've been with High West Outfitters.

Super good dudes. Yeah. I can't say enough about it. I mean, my hunt was just, just an awesome experience down there. Texas, just, just beautiful country. And the rams are just, just incredible. I mean, they kill more 30 inch rams than, than anyone. Yeah, they do. And, and it's kind of low stress. I like Texas. Yeah. I don't know what it is about Texas. I mean, up here, you just wound up a little bit and you go somewhere else like that. And you're like, if I can see it, I can kill it. It feels like Texas is the last of the good States where it didn't matter what it is. You can figure out how to kill it legally. Yep. One way or another. So anyway, well, speaking of grizzly, we did send Lolly on a hunt. She just barely got back on a grizzly hunt that we gave away. She participated, supported us here at Epic Outdoors, and she got lucky and drew. Won the hunt. Yeah. Won the hunt and went.

And she's so excitable. She's so fun to visit with. And so anyway, I just thought it'd be good podcast material. Yeah, that'd be fun. And could you imagine like a lady, like say you're an outfitter, Henry Tiffany on this one, and you find out that a gal won your hunt, right? You don't know what to expect. Yeah, you don't know what to expect, right? And so like, are we going to be successful or not? Is this a real huntress or not? Lolly's no joke. Yeah. No. She's no joke. No problem. He just doesn't know it right at the first, but yeah. Yeah. If anything, the level of preparedness was off the charts. May or may not have had very extensive 14-hour conversations between her and the outfitter. She's so fun. So awesome. Very good person. And anyway, it's been fun to get to know her through all of this and whatnot. And so anyway, congratulations, Lolly.

And then let's just put her on the podcast. She's agreed to kind of tell us her story. I think you'll get it right off the bat. But I'm sure it was pretty fun to have her in camp for Henry. So here we go.

Hello? Lolly, Jason Carter, John, Wyatt here at the Epic Outdoors podcast. How are you? I am doing well. How are you guys? We're doing good. We're excited to hear about your hunt. We don't want you to be nervous. We just want to hear it the way it really went down. Oh, I'm not nervous at all. Not at all. Were you nervous going into bear country? No. Actually, like totally, I was at complete ease. Like I can't even explain what, like when you land in that area, it's like you're realizing that you're leaving everything behind you two and a half hours in a bush plane. And because I left my phone everything, traded my phone for a rifle. And it's like, as soon as you land, you're like, well, I mean, at first, like how big and how open space it is, is like, wow, you can't even imagine it. And I mean, when you're spotting bears, they're like two and three miles away. It's not an easy hunt.

Let's put it that way. Like when you see a bear out there, you're, you know, you're looking out there and you're like, all right, well, that's only two miles, three miles. Let's go. But you have the thermals to take into effect, the wind, and they all graze in the middle of the little draws where has the trees that you can use for cover. Yeah. So you're essentially stalking these bears with cover up to your knees, crawling on your belly for 200 yards. Yeah. You know, it's not an easy hunt. And I can see where, you know, a lot of people aren't successful at it, but it is like the trip itself, like living out of your backpacks, living out of tents, carrying all your weight, 65 pounds, which is about half my weight, seven miles on the middle of work of the chandelier to the spike camp to stay there for eight, nine, 10 days.

And yeah, you're, you don't have any hot wires, no nothing, but I totally was at ease. Well, and you like, so how do I put this? Lolly is on the phone 24 seven. She makes her living like you communicating with people. It's how you make a living somewhat, you know, and just, and you're very, you're a very social person. And so very, how was that? How was that? When we, when we first got there, you know, of course, um, Henry, he is just absolutely phenomenal. I mean, this guy is like, this is your experience. This is your memories. I'm here just to facilitate and make it happen for you. If you want to go out to the bear, sure. We can try. I'll tell you what the chances are, but we can try. But when we first got there, he says one thing there's, there's a few things that they wanted to go over, you know, like six foot rule because, and I know now because I hit him in the head

with my rifle when I'd been over one time, but then he hit me back. So we were even, um, so the next thing was like three things you don't discuss in camp. And of course it was religion, politics, and COVID. And we're like, well, COVID is, you know, and he's like, you're right. So those are things not discussing. He says, but it's really important. Like communicate, communicate, communicate. If you have a problem with us, or if you have a question, please communicate because that will keep you from, and, and I kind of saw it a little bit in Trevor the second week kind of drawing back and like not being out there to communicate. So, you know, I was like, I got no problem with that at all, buddies. So it was like one of those things that, you know, if I was bored, it was like, what are you doing? Why? How come? Can I do it? You know? So I'm one of those that I'm in everybody's face. Yeah.

That makes it pretty fun. It did. Like I didn't have any, no, I was like, you know, I was coming up with nicknames for everybody. Um, Hank, his assistant, he always wore this base cover or base fleet, uh, merino wool, and it was zipped down to like his belly button because he'd get so hot, you know, and he had his chest chairs hanging out and I was like, Hanky Panky. And he's like, look, I haven't heard that one before. And I'm like, I'll think of one. And so one day it was on day seven when I shot my bear, he goes like this. He's like, I turn around like, Hank, I have your name. And he goes, what's that? And he turns around like, you're Selick of the Tundra. Yeah. And Tom Selick is like, my mom will love you. You know, he's only in his thirties. His chin comes up in the air. And every time he said Selick, his chin would come up in the air. Like, yeah, that's me. Owning it.

Just owning it. Yeah. He was owning it. But yeah, I didn't have, I, I literally kept myself occupied with the stupidest little things, but I tend to do that. So you won the hunt. And then husband, you want your husband to go. He wants to go. He ends up going. How did that go down? So I went out as soon as I got flown with you guys. And I mean, I was in tears and I was like, oh my gosh, I want it. And he was like, oh, great. What does that mean? Well, we need $20,000 in gear, honey. Yeah. Right. Now we're going to go spend, yeah, a lot. And then it was like $13,000 to take him with because we had to pay his plane ride and all that. And so, and it was funny because he was like, I walked back in. I was like, wait a minute. When I got the thing from, from T about 30 caliber, I was like, I don't have a big enough gun. I get a new gun. This is going to be amazing.

So first off we bought a gun and then at first he wasn't training with me and I just kept on doing it. It was like, well, you know, he'll get there. And he did. And, and it was, I mean, you can't just take those memories away. It was the most memorable, but he was, he was pretty excited. The week before we left, Hank used his in reach and texted me and said, Hey, we have a caribou tag that opened up. Does Trevor want it? Yeah, we'll take it. You know? And so we got him a tag, went out there and he was able to, at that point, because he was able to carry a gun, he carried a rifle instead of just a self-defense pistol because he had a hunting license. Right. And so he was able to kill a really good, really nice, like bluish gray wolf on the day before we left. And it is gorgeous. That is awesome. I hadn't heard that. It's a big wolf. That is fantastic. Yeah.

It's a nice big, and it was a dominant male. It was, and it was funny because we were up on this, this, uh, this rock, you know, the shell rock hill and we were just glassing and we'd seen him. He'd been bedded down in, in like this bog kind of area for a couple hours. Like, it actually was more like four hours and all of a sudden he gets up. And so T, uh, Henry, he likes the name, nickname T. He's like, you guys take off if you want to go. Trevor brought his predator call because Trevor's big into coyotes. He, he likes to do coyotes. And so he's really good at calling. We, we went, we took off off down this hill, just me and Trevor by ourselves, no guide. And we get down there and Trevor starts calling and he's going to town calling. He stands up, grabs his seven millimeter, tucks his bipod back. And he's like, let's go. It's gone.

And I went up on one knee and I looked up and I'd already yarded everything from my binoculars with the range finder in them. And I go, and I knew where all the yardage was. And as I got on one knee, I looked over and I'm like, there it is. 101 yards. He turns back around and all you could see was his neck and face. And he, he, I'm like, you better hurry, better hurry, better hurry. I just kept saying, hurry, hurry, hurry. He's going to go. He's going to go. He had to sit back down, pull his tripod back out. And the thing just sat there long enough. And he took a shot, hit him right in the neck. And he just piled up right there. That's a lifetime trophy right there. Yes, it is. Yeah. And so he came down, T and Hank came down. He went back up to get him and they were like, well, it looks like you didn't need no guides. Way to do it yourself, you guys. Wow.

So it was quite, it was quite comical. How did he do with the trading in the cell phone for a, how'd your husband do trading in the cell phone for a rifle? At first when I threw my phone in the gun case, he's like, are you serious? You're really going to leave it? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, I really want to disconnect. I want to, I want to immerse myself in this complete experience that I'll probably never get a chance again. And I'm like, I'm doing it. Threw my phone in the gun case. We had a double gun case at this point, Pelican case and big old locks, you know, on all the locks to leave it at right there. And he kind of looks at me and he's like, all right. And he flips a little open. He throws his gun in there and locks it down. I was like. Threw his phone in there. Yeah. He did. Yeah, he did. So you, so like you're sitting out there, you're cold, you know, the wind's blowing.

You might have a little bit of rain. And, you know, you, all you have is the companionship of those people in your camp, which is, you know, your guide, your guide assistant and him and I. They better be pretty decent people. They better be pretty decent people to be there that long. Yeah, but you know, you, you got to be able to communicate, have fun with them, laugh with them. I mean, when you don't have a phone where you're like, here, let me show you a picture when you're telling the story. You literally have to paint that picture for someone to really understand what you're trying to portray to them, you know? And so, I mean, it's a whole different world. It's like back from when I was a kid, you know, and I used to play really well by myself too. So, so it was like, it kind of brought back all those memories. I mean, you just had all those memories from when you were a kid.

That's why I just didn't struggle because I really had no problem playing by myself when I was a kid because we always lived out in the middle of nowhere too. And so, you know, it was, it was just, you're sitting there, you're cold, you're glassing for nine hours, you know, and it's just monotonous. You're trying to stay warm. You're trying to keep your butt from making your legs go numb. And you don't have a phone to reach and start looking at pictures or games or anything. Of course, you don't have any social media because there's no service up there. But you don't even have the capabilities of the technology at all. So you really have to immerse your mind and your body into what's in front of you. So, of course, half the time I'm on my hands and knees crawling around picking blueberries and crowberries and every berry I could possibly find. You eating them?

Like you guys are just going to town on them? Oh, I did. Trevor? Mmm, no. No. He ate a few and decided that the bathroom breaks were too much for him. And then I did stalk on one other bear before on day five. And that's the one where we were crawling like 200 yards. I was covered. He said I'd been christened by the tundra blueberries, you know, because the whole front of me was blue. Anyway, Trevor reached over. They stayed behind him and Hank and me and T went forward and he reached over and ate one berry. And so that was one of our sayings in camp because we had some little sayings that I would repeat. But he ate one blueberry and his belly was like, you know, Hank looked over him and he looked at Trevor's belly and he looked back at him like, you okay? And Trevor was like, dude, it was just one blueberry. Just one. And so that was one of the sayings in camp. It was just one blueberry.

One energy drink and I'd be just fine. Right? He didn't get any of those. So Trevor's a one energy drink a day. I don't drink them. And he had the cold turkey when we left. Oh, yeah. Poor guy. It's not worth it. Yeah. It wasn't worth it, right? It's not worth carrying the weight for 14 days of one energy drink a day. I mean, you're really skimming. Day five also, I was like, you know, I'm going to immerse myself in this whole thing. I'm going to take a bath in the middle fork of that cold, frigid sandalar. So I asked he how to do it. And I do it. It was more like swan dive, mermaid plunge something. I don't know. It was not graceful. I'm sure it wasn't elegant at all. But at that point, who cares? Yeah. Yeah. Trevor was forced to do it on day seven. We'll blame it on blueberries.

Like, it's time. It's time. I'm like, no, it wasn't that. I told him, you never trust a fart. Have a bird. Okay. All right. Let's get a... Chase is TMI. We're going to move right past... Let's go right to the bear kiss scene. All right. So anyway, you guys are... I mean, you're having a great time. This is an experience of a lifetime. And, you know, I was thinking, I mean, as an outfitter and you have a gal that wins the hunt, you're like, okay, what could this be like? Oh, yeah. He thought that too. Did he? Did he? He did. He hugged me when I got off the plane. And because of my excitement, talking to him and texting me, he said, I have been waiting for this hunt literally the entire season. He said, your enthusiasm and your excitement has been absolutely contagious. Yeah. That's what hunting should be about right there. That should... Yeah. Just you kind of bringing back that. Yeah.

As an outfitter, you're taking guy after guy after guy, girls too, whatever. You're just taking clients and clients. Yep. And it can get to be a job. You know what I mean? You're... Oh, I imagine. A logistical nightmare, weather, everything that Alaska throws you, all the challenges. Well, people not killing something and getting ornery. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of stuff. And so... We have... Yeah. Anyway, to have you there, just like, hey, I'm here for the whole experience, looking forward to every piece of it, you know? Yep. And Lolly, even just your attitude when you won, like, we were all so pumped when you won because you were so excited. Well, because you were excited, it was like... Oh, because even when you call people on the phone, you can tell, like, this person's like, oh, man, I've got to really think. Yeah. How bad do I want this? You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, do I want to go? Like, I've got a full schedule now. Yep. Anyway, and for you... And I was that one that said, if I had to wait a whole year to do this, I don't think I could live with myself. Well, and I don't know that we could have handled it.

I don't think you could have. You don't know me quite so well. So anyway, I mean, everything from the rifle, working with Mark Thompson, all of that, you know, just all of the different details leading up to this point, the gear, the gear list, acquiring gear, Henry, what if this, what if that? Anyway, I would say you were ultra prepared. And then when, I think you texted the weight of your pack, and I was like, it was like, I want to say it was under 50 pounds or anyway. It was under 50 pounds. And I was like, and this was for like a... And I was going to have to carry my food. And I'm like, well, I think she's a little light. Like, I'm more... Now I'm kind of like, have you got enough gear? You know what I mean? Yeah. But what ended up being... You know what the key is to a hunt like that? Is when he sends you a recommended list, you'll listen. And that's what I did.

Like, if he said specifically this sleeping bag or this sleeping bag... You went and bought it. That's what I took. If he said this sleeping pad versus this sleeping pad, that's what I took. Yeah. And so now you have the gear to do it again, obviously. Absolutely. And you're ready to go do it again. I already put in for your next one.

I'm trying to stay away from the computer so I don't put in for some more. Somebody needs to take away your debit card and credit card and any other lines of credit. I think somebody told me it was a renewable source. Oh, I did. I know you did. She was teasing about it. And I said, hey, money's a renewable resource. Yeah. He was like, it's a renewable resource. And I'm like, oh, that's classic.

Anyway. So, all right. So, take us through the hunt. I think you've brought us through... Day seven, Trevor gets in the river. So, day seven, he did in the river. But that was also the day I killed my bear. Okay. So, I got up in the morning and I had taken this little bee with me that my mom gave me many years ago, about 15, 16 years ago. I was going through a tough time. And she said, you know, if you ever need to feel comforted or lucky or whatever, she says, put this in your pocket and just rub it. And it was this little tiny charm, but it was heavy. It was all metal. But it was only about maybe a quarter inch crossed. And it doesn't... It's not a charm that had a hold that you could put on a necklace. It's just a little bee. And it's mostly just its butt and then little tiny wings and a head. And I was like... So, I took it and I specifically put it in my pack.

So, I felt like I was taking something of my mom and what she told me to do. Because, like I said, she passed away almost six years ago. And so... And she was always pushing me to do things that I wanted to do. And so, I was sick of not being able to find my bee. And Trevor kept saying, well, maybe you left it at home. Maybe you didn't put it in there. Maybe you missed it. Maybe you lost it. I'm like, oh, I better not have lost it. I've had that sucker for a while. So, anyway, day seven, I literally stripped everything out of my day pack out of that back pack. Completely. Piled it in on the tundra. I mean, things were flying everywhere. I mean, could you imagine Henry at this point? He's like, what are we doing? Looking for my good love charm. She's like, she's lost her marbles.

So, anyway, at the very last pack, obviously, whenever you're looking for something, it's the last place you look. That little bee was in the corner of my pack on the very bottom because it was heavy. And I picked that bee up and I put it in my hand. And I had tears in my eyes. And I looked at him and I said, I found my bee. And I opened up my hand. And Trevor looks in my hand. I said, go find me a bear. You can find me a bear now. I love it. And he went and sat down and glassed right next to our tent within 10 minutes. He's like, bear.

Oh, geez. So, it was two miles away. We had to hike a while past it to get past to the next ravine to get upwind from it. We came up a rock slide. And some willows got above it. And it took off.

It saw tea. And it was like, bye. And went down in the bottom in the willows. Started feeding again. So, we knew it wasn't. It didn't smell us. But it saw us. It just. He said, these bears don't see a human in their life. So, they're not scared when they see you. But when they smell you is when they take off. So, went down in the willows. Kind of moseying around. Started feeding again. So, I knew it wasn't completely, you know, chased out. Hank stayed. Kind of moved up a little bit. And stayed to watch it. And we went down the hill. And over the hump. Back over where we came from. So, past where we came up. And we were just sitting there. At that point, I was like, it's gone. And I was looking across the other side. Which was about another mile and a half. Two miles. The other side of the river. And then we were just sitting there. And I didn't even have one in the chamber.

You know, I just had the two in the magazine. And Trevor from behind me goes, there it is. And it popped up this 50 foot, 40, 50 foot embankment. At 128 yards. Smelled the wind. And at that point, I think the reason it didn't catch us. Because we had moved to where we became parallel wind. But she definitely moved to the point that would have been downwind of us. So, she started feeding again. And it wasn't within 20 seconds. And I shot.

And it was perfect. Perfect. Heart shot. They pulled the heart out. There was a bullet right in the middle of the heart. The lungs were. I shot it three times out of four shots. This one I missed. The lungs shot it. Just the center. He said they're just mushing there. And then I broke its hip with another shot. Jeez. And at that point, I'm manually loading each one. Because I only had two in the magazine. And then I missed the third shot. So, shot number three and four, I was just manually loading each one. And finally, it piled up. But it was trying to get off that hill that it came up back into those willows. Which, I mean, it lived after a heart shot, lung shot, and broken hip. It still lived for about a minute. Yeah. Wow. Those things are, man, they're just, I think it's maybe the way that they go into hibernation. They can slow their circulation down. Yeah.

And, you know, fatally injured, they can get down in there and still charge you. Yeah. Man, that's pretty awesome. And so, the culmination of all of that, I mean, obviously had to be pretty emotional. Just coming to an awesome end just like that. I know you had another opportunity to big bore, actually, earlier. I did. It wasn't super big. Come to find out. Because T, when he was glassing this one, he goes, well, you know, it's up to you. It's a sow. She's by herself. I'm pretty sure it's a sow. He kind of debated it because that sow's head, I looked at the records, or, you know, like Alaska Fish and Game, and their average head size out in that, what they call the interior Arctic grizzlies, are about 14, 15 inches for a sow. And she was 18 and a half. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So, she was, and she was seven foot, everything of seven foot.

But T, at first, he's like, being a sow, she's probably not over 6'4". Yeah. She's a big sow, but at a big sow, she's probably only 6'4", is what he was guessing. And he's, you know, she was seven foot. And then the other thing that I was really stoked about is I had been watching some grizzly hunts, you know, just kind of prepping myself for two months before, either that, or just full of excitement. And I wanted one with white-tipped ears and blonde, and she was a toe clot, which is, she had the blonde body, chocolate feet, and her tips of her ears were white. Oh. That's pretty awesome. Beautiful. Yeah. Pretty awesome. And so, how was the weather? It seemed like, you know, that's another thing. When you're reined in, like, you get to know people pretty well. Yeah. And, well, the thing is, is when you're reined in out there with him, you're in your tent by yourself. Okay.

Like, you're only, when we go to spike camp, they are only taking two-man tents, one for the guide, one for his assistant, and then me and Trevor had a three-man tent. So, literally, I took a 550-page paperback book, because, again, I didn't want to take my phone. And I read out loud, told Trevor it was TV time every night. He could picture the book however he wanted. I was just giving him the storyline. And so, we got reined in for probably 30-some hours. And so, I just read the whole time. I mean, we finished almost that 450-page book while we were there. And then I read to him every night until about midnight. And then he was like, really? You're going to put it away so soon? I'm like, I'm cold. My fingertips are free. Trevor's a pretty awesome guy. Yeah. I would have said, like, 14 hours ago, I would have had you put that book away, but I didn't dare say anything.

No, he actually enjoyed it. It was, we both love, like, you know, archaeological books. So, it was one in that realm. I made sure it was something that we'd be interested in. Yeah. Without a shadow of a doubt. And so, yeah, we did get stuck in for 30-some hours. You know, we got reined on. We had, I listened to him. He said, get Kuyu rengir or one other kind. So, that's what I got. We were, I mean, we were protected. We had, I usually had five layers of wool and three layers of feathers and rengir. So, I layered. I listened to the layers. That's pretty awesome. It was pretty awesome. And then, you know, we got snowed on twice. We woke up two mornings, two different mornings, probably about a week apart with about two inches of snow on the tent. But, I mean, it melted fairly quickly. But, you know, we did see a wolverine. It was about two miles away.

And they don't sit still unless if they're on something. So, it just kept moving. It wasn't worth going after. We saw some dull sheep. We saw lots of moose. We saw about a 60-plus-inch bull moose. I actually spotted that one up. And then, but not one freaking caribou. Oh, that's just bad luck, really. Well, not really. The wolves had moved in. So, there was another guy that landed the same day we did. And he went five or seven miles south, and we went seven miles north or six point something miles north. And he shot a wolf, too, but he didn't even feel his grizzly tag. Oh, wow. I don't think, you know, just by the way they were talking and looking at the past years, I don't think only one or two grizzlies a year get killed up in that area. Yeah. And so, I think this year I might have been the only one. Yeah, pretty lucky. But that's not confirmed.

But you saw a decent amount of bears, too. Yeah, and they said it was actually really weird. We saw seven the first day, six the next day. We just saw bears every day. Wow. But this is a crazy thing. We only saw one bear the day I shot mine. We didn't see any the next day. They actually stayed in camp, the two of them, and flushed it and turned it inside out everywhere. Mm-hmm. And, you know, got it all cleaned up so we could haul it back to base camp. And then, so that was day eight. And then day nine, we saw one sow with two cubs. And we didn't see another bear the rest of the time. That was your last opportunity. That was my last opportunity.

Pretty awesome, guys. And it was up to me. He says, if you want to go, we can go. This is your bear, so you have to pick and choose. I said, well, if I found my bee, we better go. Awesome.

Is there anything you'd have done different looking back on it? I've stayed longer. No, I'm just kidding. No, no, no. I mean, I owe you guys so much. I can't even express how much I owe you guys for winning that opportunity. I mean, it's just, I wouldn't take anything back. Not a dang thing. It all was perfect. Pretty wild. Pretty awesome. Yeah. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. It was. It was pretty awesome. Pretty good experiences. Yeah. And I would recommend Henry. He's such a gentleman.

But we've actually, when I left, he said, you know, most hunts end. People leave. Don't think about them again. He says, but we've made friends. I says, you're dang straight. So we've actually stayed in contact since I left. Yeah. That's great. That's great. Geez, Wyatt. Makes me kind of want to go. Yeah. Head on up there. You guys should. I mean, I felt kind of bad when I found out you hadn't gone ever. Well, I've been. I was like, oh my gosh. You know, it's like. I was. I've brown bear hunted and it was. And so. Yeah. Multiple times. Yeah. Multiple times. I've listened. I listened to those guys. I was pretty picky. Yeah. Yeah. Those guys were pretty. When they talked about. Because they do a brown bear hunt too. Yeah. I was like, that doesn't even sound like fun. Yeah. Like the rain, wind. Yeah. No. Yeah. It's no joke. And that's honestly.

I mean, sometimes Alaska gives you that kind of weather. I mean, you had 30 something hours of it. But man, it can be. It can be worse. It can be days and days. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and on our day flying out, I laid on the rocks. Because we literally watched fall start and end. Everything was green and red on the hillside when we got there. And by the time we left, all the leaves had fallen. They'd turned yellow, orange, pink, whatever. Fallen. And it was brown. Everything was brown. It was the craziest thing. And so I'm laying on the riverbank waiting for the plane to come. Because they got delayed because of fog in Fairbanks. And I came home with a tundra sunburn. It was the best day of weather the entire time. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, all right. But really, I'm grateful for the weather that did happen. Oh, yeah. Definitely, I must have had an angel on my shoulder.

Because the weather, I mean, yeah, we had the one day of rain. We got sprinkled on. We got sleeted on. But nothing that brought me down. I don't know if it could have brought me down. I probably would have been out in there pouring rain. And I probably would have just been just as happy as a clam. Yeah, I believe that. I believe that too. Yeah. Oh, man. Not sure about your husband. He was ready to come back, right? Like, I mean, he was ready to see his phone again. You were probably ready to see your phone again. I didn't want to see my phone because I knew as soon as I'd opened it, it would have been overloaded. And it just would have been like, you know what? I'd rather throw that back in the gun case and leave it behind. But my daughter that works for me, she kept texting me, are you back yet? Because we were delayed and we didn't get back until like 9 p.m.

And I, because we had to wait, we had to wait over at Swan Lake, no, Squaw Lake for a transfer. And that's an old abandoned mine. Anyway, we got back way late. And when I finally did text her, she said, oh my gosh, mom, I didn't know how much I relied on your companion show. She was crying. She was like, I don't ever, you can't ever leave again without service, ever. It makes you feel good. You did something right there. It's something. Oh, pretty awesome. Well, thanks for sharing your story with us. That's awesome. It's great. Oh, you're welcome. No, thanks for, like I said, I owe you guys for that whole experience. It's great. I think you've had a few more people putting in for some hunts on your thing because a bunch of my clients are like, what? You can really win that? Well, she's had other ladies applying for a grizzly. Yeah.

There's not a lot of ladies out there that want to go grizzly hunting. You know what I mean? Well, there was one I was telling about it and she's not, she's not, I told her, I said, did you, she put in for, for one big ticket purchase. And I said, anyway, we were kind of teasing each other and said, well, you take me and I'll take you. And she's like, okay, deal. And she will. But I was like, did you read about this hunt? Because this hunt's going to be harder because it looks like you have to pack your own bear out. And she's like, what? I didn't read it. And I was like, go on the guy's website, the Outfitters website, and make sure you read it. Make sure you're up for this. Because it says you must carry your own gear, your own stuff, and a possibility of carrying out even more weight on your way out.

You can tell how into the details Lolly is. Yes. Yes. Plus, not only that, if she buys more tickets, it gives me more competition. You're beating her off. By the way, you better, you better really look at what that hunt's saying it's all about. Yeah. That's what I said. Because the thing is, I've got all these people, because I do have a lot of clients. I see about 200 people a week. So, of course, they all knew about it before. They all know now about it. And a lot of them are hunters. And I'm like, I shouldn't have told them there's another drop. Because the week I got back, you guys, I got your magazine. It's like, there's another one. I'm like, no. Shut the front door.

I'm like, I've got to hide this. I'm going to tell my girlfriend, listen. It's a possibility that the plane could break down, and you're going to have to walk back to Fairbanks. Yes. Yes. That's what I need to start doing, because I feel like I've created myself more competition. I'm like, hmm. Anyway. We are giving away an Alaska cruise. So, anyway, pretty awesome. Doll sheep, too. Could be a new experience for you. That one, I don't know. You know what? I look at that country, and I mean, I broke my back when I was 25. So, my whole pelvis and my whole back is actually screwed together. I didn't even know that. If you saw what was inside my back, you probably would have been like, how did you even do that? Yeah. But, yeah, no, I've got screws all the way from my sacrum all the way up to my L3, and then I've got two lag bolts in my pelvis that holds my pelvis together.

And it was like, that one's going to be harder, I think. Yeah. That one's going to be way harder. Well, all right. But that doll sheep, I'm like, I don't know if I could do that shell straight up. I mean, after seeing those mountains. I mean, you could. You're tough. You're in shape. I would just because I'd make myself. Yeah. But I've watched a lot of doll sheep hunting since I've been watching these grizzly ones, too, and caribou and stuff. And I'm like, the moose doesn't even desire me because you've got to pack that all out. Yeah. And we're talking like four or five chips. They make packers and guides. They do, but the guide only usually has one packer, so you've still got to pack. Or they can take 20 trips. Uh-huh. But they expect you to go along on those 20 trips. Like, I know my limits. Yeah. But doll sheep would be fun. But that's, I mean, listen to those guys again talk about it.

Yeah. And seeing some doll sheep where they were, I was like, that would be cool just to say I did. But, man, that would be. No. No. I'm more for the predators. Yeah. Something that can eat me. Yeah. She's like, women don't like grizzlies. They don't like black bears or mountain lions, even. I've shot a black bear. Yeah? You haven't? Yeah. I have. Oh, you have. Okay. Oh, yeah. That's why I wanted a grizzly. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Because, like, how can I one-up myself from a black bear? Yeah.

All right. Well, at some point we'll be giving away a brown bear. You know, this is a good. Oh, I'll be watching. Trust me. All right. Like I said, you're bad for my bank account. But I'll remind myself money is a renewable force. It is. Yes. Especially with 200 clients. You're fine.

200. I got 10,000. Per week. 200 per week. Per week. Yep. All right. All right. Sounds good. Well, it was fun to visit. Sure appreciate you relaying your story. It's awesome. It was. Thank you guys so much again. Thank you. You betcha. Have a great day. Yep. You too. Talk to you later. Bye-bye. All right. Bye-bye. Pretty fun. Yeah. That is pretty fun. It makes it fun to give away these hunts that someone might not, you know, be able to do in their lifetime unless they win it. So it's pretty fun. It is. It's awesome. And who would have guessed anyway? And once Lolly won it and got going on all the research and all the, you know, preparing and buying of the gear and all that, it was just, you could tell, like, you know. Yeah. And it puts pressure on everybody. Like, I'm sure the outfitter's thinking, man, I just hope things go right. And the weather up there, you know.

I mean, there's just a lot of variables you can't control. Yeah. I spent a lot of days in the tent up there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it seems like more often than not, honestly. It does feel that way. Yeah, it does. And so, anyway, pretty awesome. But I don't know. That's what we're giving away. We're giving away an Alaska grizzly hunt. It's like a $35,000 hunt. Anyway, June 5th to the 15th, 2027. So basically a spring hunt. This go around. And you have until November 3rd to apply for it. Also, Texas Barbary sheep as well as Alaska doll sheep. The Alaska hunt is August 8th to the 17th, 2027. And should just be awesome up there with Jeff Burwell. Just an awesome hunt. John's also been doing some pretty awesome weekly drawings, too, for kind of a second chance. Yeah, we have.

Yeah, and depending on when we get this out, if it's before Saturday at midnight, you can get in on the last weekly drawing. There you go. And we're giving away a Zeiss Gabia 85 spotting scope and Epic Outdoors Ultra tripod. So if you're getting tickets in, there you go. It's another opportunity to win some gear. It's awesome. Yeah. And, anyway, time's closing in on us. So November 3rd. Wyatt, you were just saying, man, it feels like Colorado 3rd's already on us. It just feels that way, doesn't it? Fall has flown by this year. Flown by. People are winterizing their sprinkler systems. It feels like a month early. Last year, I think we were watering our lawn in November, weren't we? Yeah. I had a Colorado in a T-shirt last year, 3rd. Yeah. Just, anyway, glad to see those times change a little bit. But, so, anyway, hopefully there's been snow in places, Colorado, lots and lots of rain.

Of course, we've talked about the flooding. So, anyway, a lot going on there. All right. Well, should we transition? Should we get somebody on the phone? We have a guy that called in today that, actually, his son and his son's best friend were on hunts. And they killed a giant bull up there, an over-the-counter hunt, Idaho, like a 396 bull. Of course, inside knowledge, this is not something, Wyatt, that just happens on the regular, right? Right. Yeah. Most definitely. Not your next most amazing trip, although it could be. It is general. It would be like killing an absolute giant bull on our general here in Utah. Wow. I mean, killing a 397 any time doesn't happen every day. Yeah. But, geez, put it on a general. And then, same thing, the kid killed an absolute giant 215-inch deer. Come on. So, yeah, this year, I don't know. We're going to figure out what we're doing wrong.

Wyatt, what are we doing wrong? I don't know. I hope to find out. I want to know. Wow. Anyway. Pretty awesome. But, yeah, let's get them on the phone here. And, I don't know, just kind of, it's fresh. This bull was killed like two days ago. And so, just wouldn't be bad just to hear it from them and see what they got going.

Hello. Eli. Hey, how's it going? Hey, good. Jason Carter here. How are you? Doing well. Yourself? Good. I'm doing good. I've got John and Wyatt here as well, Logan. But, just wondering also, do you want to tie in, is it Davis? Do you want to tie him in? Yeah, let's do it. Maybe you add him in and we'll go from there and wait until you're both on. Let's see if I can add him here real quick. You bet. This stuff's way over my head here. Adding people?

Wyatt, I can teach you. It's called cell phones in the 21st century, Wyatt. I think it's a one-button operation there. Merge call. Yeah. It's really not that hard. And you do Snapchat, Wyatt. We can put a tutorial together for you, Wyatt. Yeah, Wyatt snaps. Why? Why aren't we friends on Snapchat? I have my family on Snapchat. Okay, if I got you guys, we're giving Wyatt a hard time. He wasn't sure how to add a call, so we've got him squared away. Wyatt, do you know how to add a call now? Well, I got no instructions. You guys just made fun of me. All right. All right, let's see. So, we just, I don't know. It's kind of crazy. I guess it was just a last-minute thing. Thanks for coming on, guys. You obviously had some success. You've been hunting together. We're younger guys. I mean, you guys, I want to say 19-ish. Is that right? 19 to 21? I'm 17. 17 and 19. Jeez. Oh, my gosh. Huh.

And you're on a podcast telling us how to kill big mule deer. What? What are they going to teach us? We're going to find out. I mean, I don't think I've got a whole lot to teach.

All right. So, let's see. We'll kind of just let you guys have the floor a little bit. Obviously, he killed a giant deer and a giant elk on basically general tags. Who did this? You guys did it together, I think. We scouted together. Worked it together. How does this come together on a year like this in one year? Maybe just kind of walk us through some of that. Yeah, I can go ahead. I'll start off with my deer because that's what happened first. Dave wasn't actually on me with that hunt. So, this is Eli talking right here. Yes, it is. Yeah, this is Eli talking. Okay. So, I bought an over-the-counter general mule deer tag here in Idaho.

And I went out and hunted. I spent about seven days looking for a deer that I wanted to kill. And I was looking and looking. I found a lot of nice deer but nothing that really caught my attention. And then I had a day that I went in and I was actually heading into a spot to glass. To glass and I ended up jumping a buck out of his bed. And he stood up and started staring at me from about 200 yards. And right away I could tell he's a big deer. Over 200 inches. And I quickly, I knew I wasn't going to get on him right then. So, I actually pulled out my vinyls and threw my phone on there and got a photo of him through the glass. I have a photo of him in velvet. And then later that day I backed way out and I got about as far away as I could from him where I could still see that area. Just to glass that night to see if I couldn't get kind of an idea where he might have headed after I jumped him.

And he actually ran only 200 yards and re-bedded. And I saw him stand up out of his bed about 5 o'clock. And I had the opportunity to watch him for about 4 hours feed around. And I'm just in and out of trees and everything. And I just watched him feed around before it finally hit dark. And I didn't go in there and chase him that night. Only because I'd already jumped him once and I knew that he would be on edge. Yeah.

And then from there, I... No, nobody's hunting this area. You're not seeing trucks or people or anything like that. No, no. I didn't see anyone during this time. Long season day. It's probably just, you know, pretty chill at the moment. Yep. So I had the whole month of September to hunt this deer. And I knew... So I found him... Officially, I found him on the 6th. That was the first day I'd seen him. Okay. And then from there, it was game on. And I went in there day after day after day. I just kept my distance from where I thought he might be hanging out. Did a lot of e-scouting on Onyx. And was trying to do my best to figure out how I could kill this deer. And figure out directions he was heading for bedding and food and all that. And I hunted... It was probably two weeks straight. And I didn't see him a single time. Jeez. I was getting pretty discouraged.

I was passing a lot of younger deer. Some nicer deer. Which was pretty hard. Because they were deer I would have been super happy with. But I knew there was a buck in there that was a once-in-a-lifetime buck. So I kept hunting. And I eventually was able to turn him up again. On... I think it was the 17th of September. And he was right back in the same spot. Not 300 yards from where I jumped him the first time. Wow. Wow. Crazy. And... Yeah, it was wild. I don't... I don't understand how... How he disappeared for that long. I don't think he went anywhere. I think that... He was just a mature mule deer. I knew how to stay... Stay in cover. And stay where people couldn't see him.

Jeez.

Anyway, he was... He was feeding uphill. With a doe. And I knew that if I was going to make something happen, I had to make it happen. Because we were getting close to that cutoff time. For getting dark. So he... I looked at him for about five minutes. I knew that was the deer I was after. Immediately, he had already shed his velvet. So he was just antlers at that point. And he was feeding uphill. And I... I wrapped around and got on top of him. And it had rained that day. So the ground was luckily pretty quiet. Because it was pretty brushy where he was. A lot of trees in cover. And I worked... Worked my way towards him. And just slowly creeping with my vinyls the whole time. I would move a couple yards and look. Move a couple yards and look. And eventually... I got up over the edge. And I looked down on top of him. And I could see him. And he went ahead and turned broadside.

He never saw me. He turned broadside. I ranged him at 87 yards. And I pulled back and shot. And I immediately... I immediately kind of ducked. Because I was hoping if I did miss or anything happened. That he wouldn't see me. And spooked too bad. And so I flung an arrow. And at that point I didn't know what happened. I didn't hear it hit him. I didn't see it hit him. And I kind of hit the ground and let him run off. So then I sat there. I don't know. It was a couple hours. I wanted to make sure I gave him time to make sure I didn't accidentally spook him out of there. And then I walked down there. Found my arrow. There was good blood. It went about... It got a complete pass through. It went about 5 to 10 yards past him. And I followed a blood trail about 100 yards. And there he was piled up. That's wild. Wow. Oh my gosh. So like the time between the 6th and when you saw him again.

I mean how often did you go back? Or how many times did you go back? And were you losing faith like he's moved. Somebody's bumped him. Lion killed him. I don't know. There's just a lot of things that go into a guy's mind. And so were you just like, no, it's just deer or nothing. I'm going to just hit it until the end of the month. To be honest with you, I was getting pretty discouraged. I had hunted, I think, every day but two days from the 6th to the 17th. Where was he? Was it just a lot of thick country too? A lot of thick country. And I think that based on what he had bedded and got food and water, I kind of, after the math, I still took a little time and looked around to figure out exactly. Honestly, I was just curious how this deer was living. And I had never officially gone into his bedding area between the 6th and the 17th because I didn't want to jump him.

I didn't want to risk it. So I always kept my distance. But after the fact that I killed him, I'd gone in there and walked around a little bit and checked everything out. And between his bedding and where he was getting water, there was a ravine that you couldn't see unless you were in it. And there was a game shell right up the middle. And I'm pretty sure that he was using that game shell to get from that tree down to his water. And I know Mielder have a ton of different beds, but I think typically he was using that same bed. And that tree was, I mean, it was tucked in there. He knew what he was doing. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes they have a habit like that and how it keeps them alive. Like just some perfect tree. Wyatt, you've seen this too, John, where there's like a four-foot deep bed, it feels like. I call them four-foot beds.

I mean, but maybe it's only a foot and a half deep or something, but it's been used for centuries, it feels like, decades, you know. And it's just like got the perfect shade, the perfect, you know, it's just perfectly out of sight. And the wind, everything about it is just right and they just like it, you know, year after year after year. And anyway, generation after generation, it feels like. Pretty awesome. And so when you walked up on it, you knew, I mean, this deer is as pretty a deer as they make. Yeah. Logan just put this deer up on the screen. I hadn't seen it before. And dude, you've peaked. Like this is the best moment of your life. I don't know what else you have to look forward to. You're not going to have a better moment. You should just quit hunting now. Yeah. I know. It's so good. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. I mean, the beams on this deer. Pretty crazy. Oh, amazing.

I'll be honest with you. I still haven't taped that deer. I've spent too much time either working or hunting that I haven't had time to tape him. But we're pretty sure he's right there between that 210 to 215 mark. Yeah. He definitely looks it. Yeah, he does. And oh my gosh. Did you guys feel like he was young or, I mean, are you going to have his teeth cut or anything? Just check or? I will send a tooth in and get it checked. My guess is he's probably right there on that six and a half mark. Yeah, so he looks like he has a tank of a body. Big old broadhead. Big old thick skulled sucker. Just awesome. Have you seen other deer like this deer? Or is this the biggest deer you've seen in the area? Or anything over the years? Like over the years? I took a deer in 2024 with my bow as well. It scored 172 out of the same area. He was a perfect typical.

And then I took this back out of the same area. Pretty nice. I mean, you also got that video of one last year, two years ago. That was last year. Was he a non-typical? Yeah, he's a non-typical. Over two, the one that lived? No way. And no way it's the same deer? It's not, no way. Okay.

Is that deer alive?

Where's that one?

That's confidential. I'm still trying to get that out of him. Probably ought to pay attention to that. I mean, maybe he's probably still alive. Is that what you guys are guessing? You've got other potentials? Just a matter of grinding through it? Or maybe he shows up on the winter range or something? Yeah, there's definitely some potentials. I've seen some deer. I haven't. I filmed a deer, again, last year that I'd love to take. Next year, he's probably a 190 typical. I don't know if he survived this year. Yeah. But I'd love to see what he turns into if he makes it through this year. All right. So let's transition to elk hunting, which obviously, you were deer and elk hunting, I would assume, because September's prime time for archery elk.

Actually, so I did not have an archery elk tag this year. Okay. I was purely having mule deer only because I knew that there was some good potential in that area based on the deer I had taken before with my bow. Okay. So I actually just put in the work for mule deer. That was my goal this year, was to try and kill a big mature mule deer again with the bow. Wow. And then gear switched to elk after that. Okay. So one of you walk us through that. I mean, we're going to walk right into basically a 400-incher. I don't get it.

I'll let David start us off on this story. All right. Well, first, I'm about to leave on my LDS mission here Christmas Eve. So me and my dad wanted to get out there, and we'll just, like, deer opener. We want to get out there and just kill a decent buck, you know. So we go up to one of his spots that he hasn't been to in a while but has nice bucks. And so we get all the way back in there, and really, as we're closing in on camp, it's getting dim. It's like an hour before sunset. And then, I mean, not even 300 yards away, there's this beautiful freaking 7x7, like, 340 bull. So we take some video, take some pictures of that. And he walks off in the trees. And so, and then I go up that evening. My dad sits up camp. I go up that evening up to the upper bull. And there's another beautiful six-point, like, a little smaller. Get some video of that one. And I end up not seeing any deer, really.

No shooters. Well, actually, about, like, a mile and a half away, we see, like, a 170 buck. So I chased after that one. It was hard. He freaking got up out of his bed and was real edgy. But not able to make that one happen. So, but we know that there's two nice bulls in here. So next week comes around, day before elk opener, me and Eli want to go up there because we know, hey, there's two bulls up here that we would love to kill. And we don't know if they've spooked out of the thing or horse hunters, but we were willing to give it a shot. So we get up in there. It's like eight miles. So we get up in there, well, seven or eight miles, something like that. So we get up in there, day before opener, look around, don't see anything. We get there right at dark. So the next morning, we get up on this one ridge that you can see most of, like, the country that we're hunting.

And we don't turn up anything. We see a decent little four-point, nothing really. And then more later in the afternoon, we see a hunter coming up the other side. We see four cows kind of feeding over, a spike. And those are the only elk that we saw. So we were in there for the opener and then the next day. And we decide, hey, we're going to pull out because there's horse hunters in the bottom kind of pushing everything. It's a real tight spot. So we don't, we know there's, I mean, those bulls could have been out of there long ago. So we decided to pull out and regroup. And, well, in there, I was like, well, this is me and my dad's boss. I'll get first shot. So I go, okay. So we pull back out. And then we're like, well, now who has first shot? We're going to see a bull. So, you know, we flip a coin, old school. He wins the coin flip. I was like, all right.

I did not expect for him to shoot that, but so we pull out and try to make a plan. We're like, we don't know where to go, really. So we go up to this other spot that we've kind of been looking at. And this was, we were exhausted. So we get right to four, I mean, a ways back there. Get off, hike to a point. We're glassing up this morning. And like a mile and a half, we spot some cows kind of feeding out in this little clearing. Watching that. And there's another bull that feeds out. And we're like, hey, we're going to try to make a move on this. And this was, what, Saturday, I'm pretty sure, right, Eli? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Saturday that that happened. So we tried to, yeah. So we were going to make a play on this bull. So ended up dropping down, getting up, hoping he'd feed out in that same spot. No, we didn't end up seeing any elk in that spot.

So we're like, well, so we pull out, go back home, freaking eat a burger. And then we go to church. And then we head back out, what, you head back out Monday? Or did you work Monday? I can't remember. Yeah, I had to back out Monday morning. I didn't do a whole lot. But I got out there and did some glassing in a new area that I was looking at on Onyx. And I didn't end up seeing anything. Yeah, so I ended up going with my grandparents and my uncle, deer hunting in a totally different spot. So we go for that. And then, so that was Tuesday morning. And then so me and Eli meet back up at, like, lunchtime on Tuesday. Eli's been really looking at this one spot. But, I mean, like, we were thinking I'm going over here. But we're looking at this one spot. We decided that Tuesday, that we're going to, Tuesday evening, we're going to go up in there.

And it's just like a bike trail that goes way back in there. So we decided, hey, we're going to go try this this evening. We get up there. It's like 3 o'clock. We get in there. We start riding about half a mile in. I blow a tire on the bike. It's like, hey, we're going to go get this fixed before because we're going to go quite a ways back in there. So we go get down to the trailhead with the truck. And there's a deer hunter down there. And we're talking to him. We get talking to him. And he's like, oh, you guys, yeah, you guys are hunting elk. So freaking right up on this trail a little ways. He's like, I'm just hunting deer. I don't care. So he dropped us a pin on this bull that I actually shot. He actually saw that one on this one hillside. And he's like, yeah, so go over here. There's this bull. So we decided, hey, change your plans. We're going to go up over to this one spot.

It's not a whole lot different, but it's a couple ridges away. So we get the tire fixed. We go up in there, make this spot. And it's kind of hard. It's real thick. We could barely see. So Eli is saying that we should drop down this one knob. So we get down to the knob. Real way, way nicer to glass. We get glassing. And we hear like two or three bugles. Like, okay, so there's bulls in here. So we get glassing, get glassing. Didn't turn up anything. And then it starts getting dark. Like, well, oh, frick. And so it was literally minutes like after shooting light when we started seeing cows start feeding on this one side. Cows start coming more and more. We're in probably 10 minutes past shooting light. So it was real dark. 10 minutes past shooting light, we just see a freaking big old body walk out behind or from the bottom underneath the cows.

And we can't tell if I have antlers, but it's about the double the size of any cow's body. So like, that's the bull. And then we hear him rip a bugle. So we get excited. And then we're like, hey, we'll pull out and come in here early. And so we go back out, make a plan. And then, yeah, so we head back up in there early morning, try to get to the spot before light. And we kind of, it was raining, it was jumping rain. So we're like, well, we don't know how the visibility is going to be. And we spotted these elk the night before, like 700 yards. But we get up in there in the morning, get up on that knob, start glassing. And then Eli's like, hey, I got this bull, the one bull I shot. He's got this bull up in these, like the buck brush up in the basket. Like it was just super thick. He barely seen him. So he finds this one bull and then freaking lay down on that one.

He's like, I don't know how far Eli, 650 yards. We're like, well, he's far. He's still tucked up in the trees. We're waiting and we hear another bugle. And it was like the craziest, loudest bugle that you've ever heard out from the bottom. Yeah, the thing about this bugle is, so the night before when we got on this bull, he had a super unique bugle. A bugle I've never heard before. It sounded, I don't even know how to explain it. Just a super growly. I mean, it almost sounded like a dinosaur. Very distinct. Yeah. Yeah. You could recognize it for sure. Yeah, and it was super loud and recognizable. And so that bull had ripped the night before. And then that morning we heard the same distinct bugle. So we knew that we knew it was the same bull. I was set up on the bull Davis actually ended up killing. But so it was higher up and away from away from this bugle.

And we were waiting for this bull to stand up and get out of the brush and maybe give us a shot before.

Down kind of where we were hearing the bugle, there was a bunch of cows that started feeding out from the top.

And so we had, I don't even know how many cows. There's probably 20 or 30 cows that started feeding out. And we could hear this bull bugling, but we didn't actually see him anywhere. We could just see his cows. And I was staring at his cows. I was trying to figure out what was going on. And I was still tempted to shoot this other bull because it looked like a decent little six point. And, you know, it was our last day. Yeah, they got to the last day of the season. Oh, wow. Wow. This was last day, yes, sir. Last day, yeah. Cool. Like, I'll just hang out for a second. Maybe this other bull will feed up and you can try and shoot that one. And I was pretty tempted to shoot the first one. And I'm glad I didn't. Of course. I'm glad Davis pushed me to wait because we wouldn't have had an opportunity at this bull had we not. But he tells me to wait and the cows start feeding out.

And eventually Davis is like, dude, I got him. He's coming right up here through the bottom. And so he glassed him up, coming up through the bottom. And I couldn't see him. He's like, dude, he's right here. Get on him. And I was like, dude, I can't see him. And he's like, he's coming up right here, right on this side hill. And so Davis guided me and I couldn't even see the bull. And then. It was real. It was Aspen's. It was like a weird patchy. Like you'd feed through a patch and then be in for 10 minutes. It was just super thick. It was hard to get. It was hard to get shot window at all. But so this bull, I finally am able. He's finally able to guide me into this bull. I finally see him. And I mean, I just see antlers and a huge body. And I knew, I knew he was a big bull. I didn't know he was this big.

And he gets in a little clearing. Davis actually got my shot on video through his binos. But he was, he was trying to keep his column to keep me calm. I think he knew how big it was at the time. And I was still looking at it through the scope. And I was paying more attention to where my shot was going to hit rather than antlers. But I could tell he was big enough. But we wanted to kill him. Oh, yeah. He eventually stepped out in a little clearing. I got a range on him. I threw in my data and dialed the 627 yards and shot. And I saw him buckle through the scope. And I heard it hit him good. I mean, not hit him good. I heard it hit him. Yeah, for sure. He runs to the left. And Davis, like, he's moving left. And he stepped into clearing again. And I racked another one in and shot again. Heard it hit him a second time. And he buckled again.

I think he, I think he actually rolled at one point during this time. It was all kind of a blur. But he rolled at one point. And then tried standing back up again. Davis tells me, he's standing up again, dude. You put another one at him. And through the, through the center of the trees, I could barely, I could see him and a little bit of his body. I shot again. And then we saw him, we saw him tip over and roll over on his back and just kind of roll a little ways. And at that point, we knew he was dead.

Wow. Geez. Eli, somebody told me that you're, like, one of the most luckiest guys ever.

I would like to drink that.

Oh, man. You guys, this is quite, quite a, quite a team effort, really. Yeah. On how this. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I could not have done this without Davis's elk at all. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I smoked him from almost, almost 700. So. Wow. We weren't going to let that shot pass up. Oh, my heck. That's pretty wild. That is pretty wild. The last day of the season. And, you know, the deer took forever, too. I mean, that was, that was quite the grind. Yeah. And then elk, too. And then, and to do it like this with the type of tags that you had and all of that, I mean, that's just, that's just quite a feat. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know that I can say I know of anybody else that's done that kind of thing. It's pretty awesome. And right after we put that bull down, I actually picked up the phone, called my dad. And I was pulling his leg a little bit. I called and I said, I think I got a pretty nice bull.

He's like, well, how big? Is he over 300? And I was like, I'm pretty sure he's right there. I'm pretty sure he's right there, dad. You'd be proud of me. Yeah. And right when I'm, I mean, I'm talking at this point. We were, we're all hyped. We're giving each other hugs. And then all of a sudden I look up there and that other six point stands up and is standing right in the clearing. And I'm like, Davis, get on the gun and shoot that other bull.

Yeah. I made a, made a good shot, too. And we were able to put, put two bulls down right there on that hill. Oh, no way. Not, not, what? 150 yards apart? Oh, my gosh. Jeez. Oh. You guys killed the breeder bulls. Killed everything right there. That's awesome. That's awesome. And so that was another, was that another, just an awesome bull?

Yeah, I mean, we, yeah. I mean, just a great over the counter six. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So nice. Yeah. Oh, my God. So which one of you is going on the LDS missions at Davis or? Yeah. Yeah. So you like just, you like just got back. Oh, okay. And Davis, you're going to go. So those of you who don't. I'm on my way out. Yeah. You're on your way out. Yeah. Those of you who don't know, if you could do an LDS mission, it's kind of a religious service for two years. So you, you leave for two years and you don't get to hunt for two years. So it's a pretty big sacrifice. That might be the hardest thing. Yeah. Yeah. For hunters, it's, it's, it's, it's another level. So yeah, that's, that's awesome. Where are you going to go? I'm going to Uruguay. Yeah. Down in South America. Uruguay. All right. You're going to learn Spanish and all that. So when do you turn? So you turn 18 here shortly?

I turn 18. Yeah. Next, next week. So. Okay. All right. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. And then Eli, you turn, you got to turn 20 here shortly. Yeah. So I ended up leaving when I was 18 and I, I actually ended up getting in a, a motocross wreck before my mission. And I ended up having some complications with a break in my back that was never picked up. It was a compression fracture in my back. Okay. Um, and so I was sent home at my year mark. Okay. Um, I had to get some medical stuff taken care of there. Um, so I, I turned 20 here in July. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's do a little bit of math. A couple of young bucks. These are young guys. A little, a little too young for these quality of trophies, Wyatt. I don't know if you're ever too young. Take them when you can get them. Yeah. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. Congratulations, you guys. That's pretty awesome. Pretty amazing. Thank you.

So, well, thanks for coming on the podcast. I don't know. I mean, what's next? Are you going to, what are we, what are we shooting next? I guess. I mean, I'll be gone. Hopefully, hopefully watching you, I kill big bucks. On the weekly. Yeah. Facebook messenger. Hopefully I shoot a red stag down in, down in Uruguay. Yeah. Yeah.

That's awesome. Thank you. Okay. All right. Sounds good. Congrats, guys. We sure appreciate you guys. Thanks for coming on. Yeah. Thank you guys for having us on. One more thing, if you don't mind me adding, there's some photos on my Instagram. That's about the only place I have it, but if anyone wants to check them out, they're on eli.harris.outdoors. Okay. Okay. Cool. Yeah. We'll put some on our Instagram, too. Oh, that's great. When we announce this podcast, too. Awesome. I'll link to you. So, that'll be great. All right. Thank you. I appreciate you guys having fun. Thanks, guys. You betcha. Appreciate you. Yeah. Talk to you later. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Pretty awesome. Yeah, but you know what comes to mind? What? John's argument. John's idea of kids shouldn't be drawing sheep tags. If you're under 45, you shouldn't have a sheep tag or something. It's 30. Okay. I knew it was 30, but at some point, think about this. These kids aren't 20, okay? No. They're dialing down, doping up with their guns, shooting 600 and something very effectively. Very effectively. Glassing. They're calling out 200 inchers. They know what score is. They know what inches are. They know how to hunt. They're doing it on their own. They're no joke. What have we raised? We've raised monsters. A whole generation of killers. Just like Lally said, sometimes you give yourself competition. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, and it's social media. It's all the things, right? And Wyatt and I and you, we've taught these people.

We've taught the kids, you know, and now we're sitting here going. Hats off to them. Yeah. And they're backpacking. They're hiking. They're aggressive. And me, I'm doing fine. I'm trying to decide where I'm going to go to lunch. You know, I think one thing, if you're that age, like take advantage of it maybe. When you get older, sometimes you have some responsibilities and you don't get to do this. Like, you know, spend a month. Life changes. Life changes a little bit. You end up getting babies and having kids and responsibilities and jobs and all of these things. And I'm not saying these kids don't have jobs. They're aggressive kids, man. I'm way proud of them. They're taking the time that it takes. Holy crap. Pretty awesome. I mean, play a video game or two. Let the game have a break.

Stay in the basement. It's a bro video game. Stay in the basement and play. What are their favorite games? What are these? Call of Duty maybe. Call of Duty. Or something. I don't know. Play some Fortnite. They're hard. They're hard on game. Give the hills a break. I mean, hitting it every day. Every day. Yeah. I mean, hey, I don't know. Anyway, I don't know that I had that in me at 17 and 19. Pretty impressive. Uh, yeah. You did. Okay. You did it. But we were some of the only ones. Yeah. Now. Now it's a lot more popular, it seems. Pretty awesome. Pretty impressive. What else can you say? Congratulations. Congratulations. That's an incredible feat. Yeah. One season. General tags. All right. Well, let's teach some young kids how to draw tags, John. All right. Let's do it. Seems like we built a website around this kind of stuff or this younger generation. I don't know. Wyatt and I.

Logan, you were teaching Wyatt some new little feature on our website. What was that? Yeah. So just, uh, just in the last few days, I finished up building the new Epic Outdoors research map. Man, I'm pretty excited about it. I think it's a sweet little tool that a lot of people are going to be able to use and appreciate. And we're going to record this and put it on our Instagram. So this section of the podcast, so you can see what we're talking about, you know, listen to it, but go back, look at our Instagram. You'll be able to pull it up. Yeah. Yeah. So if you want a little walkthrough, you can follow along, but you can just go to epicoutdoors.com, hit log in. It'll take you to the new member website. You've got all the same tools you had before, maybe plus a little bit extra e-mag. So this new website just has a different feel where it like, it has a look and feel like our app. Yeah.

We want it, the idea was, you know, whether you've started on the app or started on the website, you could switch from one to the other and it would be pretty much the exact same thing. You could navigate yourself around without even thinking about it twice. So this is a lot similar to how the app is. Yeah. Same tools, Optic Store, Guided Hunts License Application, if that's what you do. So anybody that was used to the old style, I feel your pain if you're struggling with the new one. I was like, I was like. This doesn't like change. Well, what? You like change? I don't like change at all. I mean, Wyatt eats eggs at 629 in the morning. Okay? Two of them. Two of them. And a half a bagel. Okay? And so, and I'm the same way. And so I'm like, man, Wyatt, I would like my minimum points research and my queries to look exactly this way.

I'm going dozens and dozens of times every day during the heavy consulting to the minimum points query because you're helping guys figure out what are your best options. And so anyway, all this is is a new look. It's the same awesome data. And within a day or two, I'm getting used to it. I don't get it. It's fine. It's new, better, awesome. But then a ton of added features.

And so this heat map. Yeah, a couple new ones we came out with. So once you log into your account, you can hit research, and you've got all your same research tools, state-by-state, unit-by-unit draw, minimum points, and then the state regulations and write-ups that we do in our magazines. And then right here, this new guy is called the research map. It's got two different components to it. You open it up, and it's probably blank the first time you open it up. You go into the top right corner here, and you can select your states. we map all of the western states that we have odds for and then you can select your unit group in that state some states have just one utah has a couple so we can go right here to utah and look at limited entry deer and then you can kind of zoom in on what you want to

see a couple of different map filters hybrid if you like the elevation hashing on top of a satellite If you're old school and you like topo like Jason does, you can do that. Old school and Jason. Killed a lot of things from paper maps, y'all. Don't knock it. Anyway. I wish the kids would go back to it. They wouldn't know where they were.

You're not wrong. Anyway, and so then you can see unit borders for that. You can click on any unit and see the hunts available in it. I'm in limited entry deer right here, so I can click on a few different units. um see and it tells you the percent public versus private yeah your public land estimate um any hunts that are available in that unit um so looking right here in utah at the henrys you can see there's a couple of different hunts that are available uh different seasons and then you can go straight to those draw details page from there so you can click and but but go back go back one so when you went back basically it's showing you let's say let's just say we're on henrys not ruin anybody's favorite unit here are we what like everybody knows everybody knows I mean, good grief. So anyway, 89% public. Okay, that includes the entire unit boundary.

Some of the private's not even good habitat. So don't sweat it. But anyway, you can look at it, and then you click non-resident or resident, which gives you the odds based off of residency. Anyway, so you can go through and look at the different seasons, and quickly just look at the rough points that it took to drop. If it says 23 and you have 8, now knowing the state system, you know you have a random shot at it. But a lot of times when guys are looking at draws, they're looking at what they can force the draw to do. What can I force at my point level? So you can go look at it from here, or you could do a minimum points query, throw in like if I had 20 points, I would say 16 to 21. Okay, so I have ones that are just out of reach, and then I've got some that I can command. And then go look at those options. So you can do it either way. Yeah, I was saying that's the second component

that you're getting into right here is this new research by points map. So on the top right, it says either units, and you can just straight up research units, point and click your way to whatever odds you want. Point and click your way to 200-inch right here. Yep, and then on the second option, you've got points and odds right here. And this is one of them that I just finished up building and refining today pretty much. And it's our minimum points query just backwards. So you start with the visual tool, and you've got a heat map. So right here, I'm going to go do Colorado, deer, non-resident. I like to look at unit-wide draw tags. I'm pretty much only interested in rifle. I know that. And then I drop these filters off. I pretty much just want to see second, third, and fourth season tags within my query. So you drop down those filters.

You can check, uncheck, whatever you're interested in looking at.

And then you can go right here. And I know that I have seven points. So I want to look in the four to seven point range. And your heat map is going to shift with your points query. So green is going to be my four points, my low end of my query. And then lighter yellow, orange, red, those are going to be the higher end. And that's based off the lower points. Like you selected second, third, and fourth. Yeah. So most of these like. And those are just showing up as like say a unit. Let's just say it's unit 30 says six. That would be on the second rifle. The lower end, right? It's just the heat map showing you that that's within your point range. Third and fourth might not be within your point range. Correct. They are. Yeah. So right here, Unit 30 has more than just a second season, but it's not within your point range. So, you know, it's only going to show you what you're asking for.

If you want to see more or less, check more filters on check more filters. That's pretty awesome because visually now I can just see, okay, the red ones are harder or on my harder end. They're like on the bubble. Yeah. Pretty awesome. Yeah. And then the green, you're like, that's a command. If all things being equal, you'd command that draw. Correct. Yeah, and so you just set your points accordingly. If you wanted to know some where you might have a chance with 7, but it's not necessarily guaranteed, you might take your way up to 8 and look at percentage draw with 7. So I think this is a really good tool. It's a really detailed map. John and I have been using it just to look at some really detailed things, but you can zoom in pretty far. It's got three dimensions. It's got a public land overlay,

So you can see pretty close to what your public and private is looking like in a unit as a whole. So you can see along with your percentage estimate in the sidebar, you could see, okay, yeah, where I'd be hunting outside of town. It is mostly public or that is a lot of private. I'd have to consider that. Pretty incredible. That is incredible. I can't think of one thing about our website, which is like, I kind of like to tease Logan, but do you even know everything that's on it? there's so there is so many options and and some guys are really techie and geeky and some aren't right yeah and so if you just want to know minimum points query and just have this query of of the units that pop up like i know where they're at just because i've yeah been around for like a few decades you're a dinosaur and same with wyatt we're good but but you know this the heat maps

and whatnot, that's going to appeal to a lot of people. And so any which way you like it, there's options for you on there. Of course, we've got the state info and all the regular things like that, write-ups, e-magazines. I mean, there's so much that it's, I don't know, it's just a lot. This is going to be teaching 20-year-olds where to go. That's a problem. That's a problem. Yeah, we've been working on this for quite a while, John and I, and everybody at the office has just been giving ideas for tools and building this for quite a while and working on this. So, yeah, sometimes you'll ask me about something, and I'm like, I forgot that's on there. Yeah, it's true. And then we're like, oh, wait, you need to adjust this straw date because it carried over from last year and whatever. And we're like, do you remember the 14,000 places you put that, Logan?

And he comes back with some smart remark. But you know what helps negate this newer generation being so well-equipped to kill 200-inchers? which means there's less 200 inches on the landscape. You know what they did, what this younger generation did to offset that a little bit? I don't. They came up with the fisheye. The fisheye.

So they want bucks to look like yours and I's Wyatt. They have to use the fisheye. The fisheye.

The bucks from way back and the flannel and the core lock bullets. Yeah.

Good times. Got to give people like Logan a little bit of a hard time. A little bit of a hard time, yeah. I don't even use the .5 on my phone. I ain't worried about it. I don't even know if my phone has it. Why is it eliminating itself from that right now? You just have to tilt it. Old school tilt. Photo of a photo. All the things. That's pretty awesome. Logan, can guys still sign up for a free trial on this? Yeah. App or website, if it's your first time, you're not sure what we've got or if it's right for you, give us a try. I sign up for seven days for free to use all of our research tools, see all of our state data.

That's a simple membership. It's free. And then if you want to unlock everything, then, of course, we're $150 a year. And you'll get the paper and publication as well as all the other digital stuff, which is just kind of wild. Which nowadays it's about a tank of gas. No, I can't fill my truck up for that. I can't either. I can't. On my diesel truck, I can't. Oh, you can't? Yeah, I was like 140 last time. You're a gasser and a more chilled out tank.

Wow. Wow, wow. One tank of gas. There you go.

One Trump era tank of gas. But you know what? I'd pay it every time. I'm good with it. I'm good. If it supports our good old buddy Trump, I'm a fall for it. All right. Wyatt, you got any other tips and tricks up your sleeve or have we done enough damage for the day? No, I think we better get to looking up Arizona results. Yeah, Arizona bison. Bison results. It's been over there twiddling his thumbs, ready to go. Me too. Anyway, it's already, here we are, app season. It's kind of funny.

Why don't we give away this triumph for a certain amount of trials that sign up? New trials. Want to do new people to the app? The seven-day trials. Anybody that signs up for that. And some people could say, wow, I did that last week. How am I in for the trial? Maybe you aren't. Or maybe you get your dad to sign up. I don't know. Figure it out. Figure it out. You guys are smart. You'll be all right. This new generation is so amazing. You can figure it out. What? Yeah. They can figure it out. Yeah. So we're going to give away a Vortex Triumph HD 3 to 9 by 40 for people who sign up. Free. On the seven-day free trial. Free scope for a free trial. You literally have to do nothing to get this besides give us a try. That's it. Yeah. Wow. Pretty good deal. From win to win, Logan. let's give it away by let's give it away by the end of the month Halloween is coming up so sign up

before the end of October 31st that would be next Saturday okay I like it let's do it we'll announce that as well I guess I don't know how do we announce those things we usually throw it up on an Instagram story we'll mention it on a podcast I wonder if this one we don't mention it except for on this podcast just so they truly had to have listened to the podcast you know what I mean Sounds good. Give these guys good odds. Okay. Give these guys good odds. All right. I like that. Sounds good. Well, I'm going to go to work. Logan, I don't know what you're going to do. Go on a date, maybe. I think I'm going to go back to work. With a girl. Really? Yeah, do that. Get off a little early?

Stay clocked in? You know, at this point. No, let's not do that. Logan, let's stay clocked in. You know what, John? Stay clocked in. Go on a date. We'd actually get more work out of him if he gets married. If you get married, you're actually an honorable citizen that's going to, you know? From now on, I'm clocking in for every date. That's like once a month, John. It's negligible. I might try harder now. I might try harder. Got to be a girl. Okay. All right. Have a good weekend, everybody. Let's face it. If your goal is to kill big stuff, you need to draw quality tags. Quality tags are typically hard to draw. To increase your odds of drawing good tags, you need to apply in multiple states. That's where an Epic Outdoors membership can help. For only $150 a year, you get access to our consultants, our online tools, and to Epic-approved outfitters and members-only optics discounts.

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