EP 49: The Hunting Life with "ShedCrazy" Ben Dettamanti

yeah it's uh it's been a fun journey it's been a fun ride for sure he comes out it comes out at 35 yards this is a hilarious random story i never thought i'd tell really but anything to do with western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by under armor hey everybody so we need to do a formal let's do a formal let's do a formal here we go all right take one we're only going to do one take right hey everybody jason carter here with the epic outdoors podcast as well as adam bronson we got him on the horn with us right here in the office and chris peterson we're gonna let him talk a little bit today so besides recording and editing and putting out these podcasts in such an awesome way he's actually going to be able to visit with us and uh we'll give him a little grief as well so anyway um got a special guest with us sitting

right here in the office it's kind of rare we usually do these over the phone just because people are busy we're busy and uh and we like to you know crank these out in a timely fashion so you know it's one of those things but ben here shit crazy he's made the trip it's a long trip it is but uh anyway we did get him here in the office before we get started we want to thank under armor and uh we don't want to thank any of your sponsors just okay just do what you gotta do all right so anyway we want to thank under armor for sponsoring this podcast as well as everything we do here at epic outdoors they're a huge partner of ours we love them they've got a lot of products and we all know that of course but they're doing some awesome things in the hunting industry so we appreciate them and just a shout out to them uh let them know how much we appreciate them here in the office so this

particular podcast we're going to give away a pair of fat tire boots uh from under armor so this is how you enter you're going to go on uh epic outdoors.com backslash podcasts and uh once you get on there you're going to see a podcast giveaway entry form on the right hand side of the page there's a podcast code podcast code for this episode is fat tire f-a-t-t-i-r-e you'll enter your name your email and your phone number hit submit and you'll be entered in that drawing so anyway we're going to give away a pair of these fat tire boots these these uh fat tire boots i've worn them quite a bit they're awesome it's like walking on pillows super super comfortable great boot for early season hunting i know adam bronson's worn them too as well and spent a lot of time in them um you know and that's what we'll be using here

in august and september especially they're waterproof they're uh very very comfortable lots and lots of great reviews on them um anyway they're a 200 value on ua.com or you can uh be given a free pair by entering to win epicoutdoors.com backslash podcast this is the time of year that all the different conventions are going to be taking place um people be gathering prepping for next year's hunts here in utah we have the hunt expo it's one of our biggest conventions of the year it's a time where uh it seems like the entire state of utah gets together as well as surrounding states and just visits about hunting a lot of booths there a lot of different tags to buy there'll be tags to apply for there's a bunch of different conservation tags that are available for five bucks a piece and you can come and you got

to validate them in person and then it's a good excuse to come around and visit with everybody at the booth speaking of booths we're going to be at booth number 2845 booth number 2845 v epic outdoors we're there every year we would never miss it it's an incredible convention it's a place where we can visit with all of our members and so anyway we're super excited it'll be 20 by 50 it'll be a huge booth a lot of different critters sheds and as well as the entire epic crew so adam jeff chris john myself um we're really looking forward to it so anyway uh to sign up you can go to huntexpo.com you can uh apply for your online uh five dollar tickets as well for the for the different uh conservation tags and then also you know reserve your uh tickets to walk the floor as well as participate in the day and evening functions and so it's going to be a great time looking forward to

seeing everybody anyway february 8th to the 11th 2018 booth number 2845 sign up online on expo.com let's get started thanks for coming today happy to be here yeah i was really busy i had a lot going on it is december today he just got flower beds he's trying to raid so he can do sheds there's no brown there's no browns out there so it's all white right now so he's doing these sheds for santa and we've always we've all seen this on instagram there is no way he's taking them out of his personal stash you don't go out in the hills find them and give them away he's not doing that he's stealing them in this is my theory steal them from from flower beds he's robbing hooding sheds yes well i only take them from really nice houses you know i don't want to figure they won't miss them right maybe they

just buy their sheds from the shed buyer and put them in their yard that's those type of people right yeah i'm just trying to spread the shed wealth a little bit or or he's talking to little kids that that aspire to be a shed hunter for life right and so where do you look for sheds show me the latest oh i'll buy that off you okay ben how i'll give you five dollars try the corner of cobble creek drive that's good yeah that's you can find them i'm little boy and then bring them to me and i'll give you five bucks yeah and he gives them five bucks throws them up he's now donating sheds for santa he's a hero and the kid has christmas money for his shattering my whole pr image i work so hard work so hard to grow here we've really got off to a good start right so we haven't even introduced this guy for everybody doesn't know you we know you we live in the same town but you gotta tell us

a little bit about yourself where are you from usually we'll introduce our guests but i'm gonna let you introduce yourself because i don't know who you are what an honor um yeah i i was born and raised here in southern utah and the best big buck and big bull country on earth in my opinion and uh yeah i grew up here local kid and i moved about a half hour south now so i could uh be closer to the arizona strip um that's what i tell people is actually so my wife could have a job but have you been on the strip i just want to know yeah i've spent several hours out there um looking for for sheds and stuff it's kind of discouraging country but there's not enough elk out there for me so i don't know not poundage right they don't they don't weigh up quite as well but yeah i was raised around here and and just southern utah just trying to trying to find some

deer and elk it's a good spot to be yeah it is southern utah is awesome we're kind of in that central location where within 12 hours you can be to montana or new mexico or about anywhere you want to go i don't know why you'd want to go to california i guess we could go that direction but nah but uh maybe for the beach or something no thanks dodgers game anyway we did talk to you uh back at the expo did a little podcast and you as you were starting your new venture tell us a little bit about that yeah so i basically started off almost a year ago now um i'm calling it i've been calling it the shed year um just making youtube videos about shed hunting and kind of detailing the journey of going from basically full-time nine-to-five guy to uh to try to hunt for a living so so so from going from being a provider to being retired yeah exactly

to being unemployed and a hunter gatherer right bills and putting food on the table to not anymore yeah to what we read about in the history books of the ancient ones that were hunters and gatherers yeah you could say definitely i'm definitely i try to gather i don't always get it done but yeah it's uh it's been a fun journey it's been a fun ride for sure and uh it's i don't know i feel like uh i feel like it's going to be bigger from here on out but this last year has been definitely learning experience it's been a lot of fun yeah and uh we have nowhere to go but up right you have nowhere i have nowhere to go but up yeah all i can do is grow from here awesome so let's see you're you got a year under your belt pretty much yeah do you have a job uh yeah i think my job mostly is just keeping my wife happy these days so so you maintained that you're a professional shed hunter for a full year

you've done it yeah you've done it you got a year under your belt yep you're still married most days yeah okay wife's happy yeah she is okay yep so for 2018 you're going to continue down the shed hunter professional shed hunter journey yeah that's the goal i think i'm going to go at it from a little bit different approach um the first year was all trying to fund it just picking up sheds you know yeah and then i ended up buying some antlers selling some antlers doing all kinds of stuff like that but yeah that's cool yeah and picked up some good sponsors i've been working with so hopefully it's just gonna actually pay me something in the coming year all right so so on the sponsors i'll give you a little press here who are they throw a little shout out to them i work with quite a few good companies i work with uh scree camo is one that i've been working with quite a bit for a few years

and they're kind of an up-and-coming camel company stationed out right where i live so they're uh they're really good to work with and then i've been working with vortex optics quite a bit um do some stuff with mountain ops and you know just where i'm trying to get my gym pump on yeah and looks like you're pretty buff yeah dude i've been getting swell lately so yeah i work with with a handful of good companies canvas cutter uh just some just some good people out there so a lot of times these are um you know sponsorships entail product but you can't eat product so yeah we're you're talking in 2018 we're gonna you know build that up a little bit where it's kind of funding hopefully getting some checks coming in right yeah yeah i can you know you can sell product online i just get mountain ops and sell it on craig's list and do you really get it's kind of like the old adage buy low and sell

high yeah there you go or get it for free and smart yeah make a lot of money on garage sales and that kind of stuff so if you guys need any hunting gear that's right come to one of my facebook yard sales even right yeah yes well uh oh that's awesome and so so you were basically you know you you got to pick up a lot of sheds to be able to provide for the family for sure i know yeah you picked a good year to do it i will sure commend you that you didn't you didn't do it when browns are five bucks a pound no no it's uh definitely been the price has helped out a lot and i've been able to have a pretty good year i think i picked up somewhere in the ballpark of 150 160 elk sheds on the year did you good for you that that helps get some of the bills paid and stuff i'm gonna try to crack 200 for the years

over okay so you got numbers like your monthly goals yeah so you got 30 something to do by in the next month yeah it's a lot so is it november especially because the snow is coming yeah how was november did you meet your goal no i didn't i spent way too much time just doing family stuff and you know handling other stuff i didn't pick up hardly any sheds thanksgiving yeah pumped up or pumped up for sure you were out on the hunting trail too yeah we did yeah i spent a lot of time chasing deer and elk in november and october and stuff and got to go down to arizona with chris and so we've that was awesome been busy been chasing at live ones for now so and so with that you're you're not just a shed hunter you're obviously the shed hunting craze came from being a hunter oh yeah 100 you've been a hunter your whole life yeah i've always been obsessed with it ever since i was a

little kid you know my every family function we've ever had was everybody talking hunting you know my grandpa uncles everybody so i think my love for shed hunting mostly just came from not being able to hunt as much as i wanted to hunt so it was another way yeah to get out in the hills find the animals see what they were doing so that's kind of where that even sprouted from but yeah i think i met ben like i think it's been like nine years now or something like that it's been a long time but yeah but i've always known ben loved hunting their whole family did and one of my favorite stories that i heard from his brother was the the football team story that that kind of showed me ben loves to hunt oh yeah that was it was definitely probably where i decided that you know you kind of have to turn a corner

at points in life where you're like all right this is the way i'm going from here on out and for me that was in a locker room probably my sophomore year of high school locker room story yeah here we go watch out censor yourself it's not like the locker rooms in the movies a little more mellow than that but um what happened was is i started playing football i say playing football watching football from the sidelines with the jersey is what i was doing so they allowed you to dress down yeah i wasn't i wasn't much of a shooter player the movie waterboy and you resonated with that oh yeah i definitely that was i played left out that's what i tell everybody but uh yeah i uh i was playing football and i was trying to be a football player but i just kept wanting to hunt and then i drew a a dutton rifle tag that year and so i told my coach i'm gonna need a few

weeks off practice and he wasn't i can see how that'll go over too fond of that idea and hey i'm gonna be packing out quarters i mean i'll be tougher when i get back yeah just let me go well he tried to make a big point of kind of calling me out front everybody in front of the whole team in the locker room and he told me oh really yeah in the locker room just like all right he said you need to choose right now what's it going to be going to be football or hunting i said hunting that's not even a choice he was kind of quiet for a little bit and everybody kind of gasped and that was it never uh put the pads i still i finished i finished the year sitting on the sideline came back from elk hunting but uh yeah i never played i don't know if i ever got in a game after that and said after that i said screw it i'm just gonna hunt yeah that became my fall hobby i remember that did

get in the way i did play football in high school of course a little town monticello so it's in the way of my kids like it's sean's in the way sean's looking at deciding soccer and is soccer in the ball i don't know no no it's not necessarily but but nowadays you've got you don't just have school sanctioned sports you've got year-round stuff with clubs and traveling teams and and you just you know it's basically like what do you want to do and i've told him on a psychic care lesson if he wants to do it do it but if you want to hunt let's go yeah you know what i mean by the way i don't care sean but but let's go hunt i don't care but let me choose for you so anyway no i think i think uh school athletics and high school athletics is great for building characters great for these kids and everything and and i support it and everything but it's so hard to do everything in life and and

so they do need to you know do need to sometimes you just got to pick the thing you love the most yeah for sure i figured i had about a one percent chance of becoming a pro hunter and a zero percent chance of being a pro football player like double yeah 100 better odds that's right hey you made it you're a pro i guess professional means you feed the family with it well yeah close enough you made it you beat the 99 so you've shed hunting is your career you obviously the hunt is that like do you take vacation to go hunting or do you call that your career too well i i don't know i guess it's all kind of the same thing for me because i'm just trying to make videos about everything so i guess it's like a vacation but it used to be like when i was working full-time i would spend all my vacation time and then some hunting yeah so now i can say okay i'm gonna take a

vacation i'm gonna hang out with my family spend it's uh it's actually good i actually probably get a lot more time at home than i did before you know with your wife and it's just semantics i mean i'm on vacation i'm staying home for the week yeah i'm gonna stay on the couch it's kind of no i've got to go to work and the work is in wyoming this is work sorry yep works in nevada only problem is when you're on vacation your wife wants you to fix the rain gutter yeah she that's oh yeah that's the whole thing hey kids everything at home the best thing i ever did for my wife is uh find a good handyman because that stuff's definitely getting neglected i'm not i'm not that guy all right so um you're hunting tell tell us i mean uh you did you do more hunting this year than you've ever done before or oh definitely yeah i had about i think i had six or seven big game tags really wow what were

they um mostly over the counter tough stuff i spent a lot of time on the open bowl here in utah with a bow trying to get that done and i actually shot a pretty good bowl on didn't end up finding him it was kind of a crappy deal i put a whole video about it on youtube but um bull's alive though he showed back up on my trail camera after the hunt so i'm gonna try to shoot him next year yeah but get your broadhead back yeah he i yeah it went right through him gear failure it went yeah i don't know what the deal was i shot him at 20 20 yards see a scar on him in the picture you can and it looks good looks like it's right dead center in his lungs i've had that i have no idea i've had people it happens i know what happens those elk are strong tough freaking you don't feel like did you lose the blood trail after 200 yards or do you feel like you trailed him for a mile no i lost it like 150

yards oh so he's dead he's alive he's back on my camera oh yeah so he went to the top of the hill right after i shot him i shot him right before dark 20 yards everything perfect your dream scenario smacked him turned on my butt him like that's dead bull we're done and he went to the top of the hill stood there and at about actually i shot at him again at about 60 yards but i didn't compensate for the angle i shot under him and then he stopped at about 100 yards top of the hill just stood there his front legs were crossed like this you know just had him and he was wobbly i thought he's gonna die so it was dark we pulled out we're like we'll just go we'll come back and uh gave him a few hours came and found that blood pot where he was standing there was a good pile of blood there like oh he's gonna be dead in the morning so we went slept came back and we

didn't find blood past that point and we spent the whole i spent six days doing circles and everything i could think of and i never found where he went from that point so crazy you know i had a guy i'm trying to remember the story but basically one lung single lunged an animal like that and the the animal lived and then they killed him like the next year and they gutted him and the the lung that he had hit was black and shriveled and he'd lived on one lung that's crazy and was and was healthy maybe you'll have a story like that i hope so yeah wow that's crazy was it a good bull he was about a 300 bull he wasn't good for general yeah for the general he was a good bull i'd have been happy with him for sure so after that you went general deer probably yeah yeah i had a muzzleloader deer tag here in utah and i killed a little you know uh just a good looking four point nothing crazy but

i also hunted idaho general um archery elk and uh rifle elk and rifle deer so i'd been at that point on the trail for you know a couple months without killing anything so first morning utah yeah oh i smack down about three minutes after first light so that's fairly typical of your general though oh yeah i have uh itchy trigger oh i definitely get after them um quick i i think the last two deer i killed in utah were both i mean maybe 10 minutes of total hunting over those last two years but i was telling chris before i i passed three bucks this year so i was watching through the scope that one's too small that one's too small that one's too small boom that one's good that's good so i'm still trophy hunting just well 10 minutes speed i mean good hunter and where'd you go after utah so i went back up to idaho after that um i hunted up there for for deer and elk and then um i'm

hopefully going to put together a few more hunts here i tagged along on some hunts with some buddies in colorado um and then hopefully be putting together a late archery deer tag in arizona and then i haven't filled either my idaho tags i haven't found anything that i really wanted to shoot up there yeah um but i'm i might head back up there and hunt one of their general late archery like who got you started up there like how did you know where to go like let's say a guy that's listening wants to do an over-the-counter idaho hunt how did you go about doing that well the best way that i know about is just through social media i just reached out to some guys that i knew that lived in that area yeah and they um were kind enough to show me some spots and help me kind of learn to lay the land up there it was still you know i still had to kind of figure it out on my own

um but i was able to see quite a few animals just through that and and it's not like you have to backpack at all like there's plenty of country that's got good access in it you know and guys can do this on their own oh 100 yeah it's kind of expensive it's kind of a risk you know you're going to spend a few hundred bucks on a tag but it's one of those opportunity type deals and i could have killed animals on every hunt up there i just you know decided to wait for something a little better it's awesome man what do you what do you like to hunt the most like um i i'm an elk guy yeah i always have had a just i don't know i love elk and uh i killed the first bull i ever killed i killed it when i was about 14 and it's about a 340 bull and i just been in love with them ever since um i want to kill big deer of course but i think they're too smart i don't know dude it's

taking you 10 minutes yeah we could up your game and in 20 minutes you might double the size that's what i need to do i was hoping hanging out with you guys some of that big buck killing mojo might we're gonna steer you wrong because the competition's gonna be fierce oh yeah so yeah i believe it anyway and so uh keep going with all this how um keep moving forward till you get to chris's hunt archery elk that's what you like to mention yeah i'd say that's my my bread and butter is elk i'll hunt them with any weapon i love to hunt them in the rut i also like to hunt them late like we did on chris's hunt that was a lot of fun too yeah awesome up that was good and you've killed a lot of bulls on that the utah general yeah i'm always impressed with how well you do on that it's been uh i've got lucky quite a few times and then i've had some that i'm proud of and

it's been a it's a fun hunt i i got lucky in 2013 and killed a really good bull up there on that open unit a 350 class bull um and that's awesome that was awesome i uh i've just always hunted it with family and kind of taken that a little bit easier and then over the last few years got kind of more hardcore about scouting it and finding out where the bulls are going to be and figuring out the public land or do you have some private little bit of private access because you're pretty connected here most 99 of it's public stuff um this last year i think there's one piece now one little piece of private i've killed one bull on but everything else has been all public wow yeah i like i like hunting that public up there i like the challenge of trying to trying to figure those elk out there's so few of

them and so many people it's a it's kind of a fun have you ever tried baiting in utah like you know take a haystack up there a whole haystack because you can carry a hay bale spiraling yeah my whole kind of life's a spiral it's all right so but yeah i uh the baiting's getting to be kind of a popular topic around i run into some piles of apples out in the hills and stuff so it's well utah you know there's not a lot of baiting uh the states that allow baiting i think oregon's one utah's one what else is there any others that anybody can think of most of them don't yeah most of them don't and so they're you know obviously uh killing some deer off some bait and doing good and you know pull some of these animals out of that thick country but uh anyway and so you go to chris's hunt tough hunt yeah what i understand pretty tough it wasn't till i showed up yeah it was it was real

real real tough and then ben showed up and we started to figure things out about the time ben showed up i'll take credit for that yeah i wrote well you're a guru and you know it's a natural right chris yeah well yeah it was we had a good hunt it was a lot of fun and um i'd love to get to know you know that unit a little bit better because there's some there's some big bulls there but the the weather made it tough and it was and the moon and everything else but yeah the last three days were actually good we finally started seeing some bulls and figuring things out and just got ran out of time so before we go into any crazy stories because i just want to kind of go back to you're doing you're doing youtube which is that means basically you know you can make money youtube in your life you're hunting adventures all the shed adventures anything and everything yeah and then

and social media and social media is what's really feels like in my mind has kicked you off as is i mean the humors i mean you are pretty funny i gotta admit you are pretty funny and uh you've always been you've always been the clown in the family oh 100 100 yeah i was thrived on it in school i was always getting kicked out of class for screwing around so you were in the if we go back to cedar high what year to graduate i graduated oh three 2003 and most likely to be a stand-up comedian someday that would be i got well i actually had those yearbook debt things you know and i wanted best hair because i had a killer mullet like that's what that's when i was gunning for but they gave me most talkative i'm like great it's almost a slap in the face like this kid never shut up somebody's got to get the award somebody's got to get whatever i'll take it i was just that's one of those

everybody's participation award everybody gets labeled here's a trophy most talkative friendly kind cheerful you know one of the boy scout models right yeah i know run through the list so yeah so what are your goals like with the with the obviously social media like jason said that's where you know i've got to feel like i've got to know you without even knowing you yeah better but which is what happens on social media youtube what are your what are your goals through that what do you got planned or what do you just what do you see it going for you well i hope it'll just continue to grow you know i think the humor has always been the thing that helped me grow the most i was trying to do a fairly serious shed hunting thing in the beginning you know um i started out just as an instagram account about shed hunting and it grew at a decent rate but it really blew up it was actually my wife

that told me she's like if you don't get your personality in there you just could be like everybody else so yeah she told me to kick it off and try to make some funny videos and and i made a couple and they caught on and and it's been it's been good i'd like to see it kind of i don't know i'd like to show people both sides of it you know i think keep it light you know the feeling of hunting with your buddies and joking around but i like to show people that i'm a serious hunter too i take it seriously you know i'm not notching my belt with a 200 inch buck every year but i hunt hard spend a lot of time at it and i kind of want people to know that you can hunt hard and and still screw around and have a good time yeah because i never know how to take it like you'll send me a text and be like dude is

this a good one and i'm thinking okay should i jab him a little or does he really want to know you know and that's what i've learned about you is you are a serious hunter you're not a serious hunter you're a good hunter that spends a lot of time in doing it in a light-hearted fashion you know it's so serious you know what i mean and so always laser focus right tunnel vision get out of my way and yeah maybe it gets that way and it's not all just a joke either even though you're having fun doing it right but it's one of those things that i've i've come to appreciate is because for so long the hunting world has been so boring boring well it's just been like really cutthroat serious and a lot of jealousy and people mad at each other and all of a sudden you have somebody that's that's there to bring some

humor and it kind of changes it yeah it's fun of it all makes people can laugh you can laugh it's okay to laugh well you can tell somebody you can talk about gym selfies or something to somebody and and they don't hate you for it and i could say it and they're like he just cut me you know and you cut them and they're like oh ben's such a good guy that's kind of what i'm just grateful he liked my post you know and i'm like jeez well i'm not trying to be malicious i don't have any i don't have any angry towards anybody in this whole deal i like to make fun of people i mean i got started working with mountain ops because i was making fun of them and you made fun of mountain ops i know when you said oh he said a couple of things he said this couple of things and and i was like oh this could get ugly yeah there's a few of them that it could gone either way for sure like yeah the

whole mountain ops thing i was poking fun at them poking fun at a hunting supplement company you know and it was never out of anything delicious and they contacted me and they're like hey we think it's hilarious man let's work together okay all right good deal so do you use their stuff yeah yeah i do actually i'm i'm not a i'm not a lifter that's no secret you know yeah but uh well you're lifting it's just not yeah sheds and stuff and i don't mind i don't 14 pounds right one at a time well if i can lift those i'm doing good well i just i don't care what i look like it's not something that's ever bothered me you know and i i just i want to be able to do what i need to do in the hills and so i like some of their energy and focus stuff to get me up in the morning and i like some of their like a meal replacer if you don't got time you drink some of their shakes you know i'm not getting

pumped up on their pre-workout and stuff that's not stuff that i use on a daily basis but some of it makes sense you know yeah that's awesome cool so and so goals you just want to grow it you want to grow your following where you at youtube followers what's your goal for that or how how are you going to attain those goals and partly we want to know so we can work on ours as well well you guys are doing good you guys what you need to keep doing is posting those wolf hunts because those things will blow up wolves and sheep and everything and that's when you're you and your family get death threats exactly the most hate we've gotten is off the wolf yeah pretty soon events putting alarm systems everywhere that's the way it is for sure they come out the crazies come out of the woodwork on that stuff but

i'd like to just kind of continue to grow it just through collaboration that's kind of the best thing you can do is just get together with other guys that are doing well hunt together and kind of share off each other's audiences but mostly i just want to show people what i'm doing i hope they like it i hope it grows organically and naturally and yeah if it doesn't i can always be a janitor again so are you true friends with these people are you just friends for likes and followers the whole thing i don't know it's uh it's a balance no i have a lot of a lot of really good buddies like i've been surprised the hush guys yeah some of these guys that have got huge followings to know better for sure yeah the hush guys are i can't even tell you how much those guys have done to help me out just come out you know and just been like offering help left and right giving me all

kinds of advice on the on the youtube deal they're great dudes um there's been a lot of with them a little bit yeah i hunted a couple times with them went to canada this year with them and then i also went to colorado with them and i can't say enough good about those guys like i know like people have their opinions about everybody online people they don't like people they like but those dudes i started as big as they are you're gonna have there's gonna be people with opinions right adam and i've dealt with a lot of different criticisms over the years you know killing stuff or doing this or doing that and and uh people are going to develop an opinion one way or another you hope it's good uh but it always you know it's not always perfect i got i got the text about your when you kill that giant deer and yeah okay so let's and we can talk about we should

talk about that okay we can talk about that so we're talking kind of that was before social media that was before that was during text viral text that was when viral emails and monster mewleys ruled the world yeah it was when viral text text messaging really emerged like yes there was before that it was before cell phone yeah it was viral right in the beginning of when everybody had a cell phone and everybody started text and and i was on a lucky roll i'd hit a couple of years in a row where i was doing well and and and people don't see behind the scenes right what it goes just like i don't see behind the scenes of what you got going on you're finding 160 sheds or whatever your goal is 200 well i should be able to do that well i don't i don't know what you're putting into that you're scouting

sheds i mean you know there's a lot that goes into it so anyway um yeah i guess if we got to go down that road down that road it was a brutus a 250 inch velvet deer and uh and guys came out saying that i'd shot over a guy with a bow mind you shot over him i was at 75 yards he's at 25 yards i shoot over him to kill this deer luckily you know chris was filming the whole thing that's good to have which was proof and and it goes viral because jason this guy that think you know in the hunting industry professionally shoots over the little guy and crushes him you know and it's and it was something where it went viral a negative viral wasn't a positive virus a negative thing and i lost a lot of sleep it was really hard to take that one on the chin because i'd hunted this deer for two years in a row and it got a lot to me you know and and the guys here in the office spent a lot of time helping me

you know glass for him and they they put their own time into it too and so it was really personal it wasn't just like jason's a jerk it was like shut up guys and leave me alone it wasn't that wasn't that simple right and then monster muley's bros up i've got to answer to black brian leturner and here i can say nothing you know i don't owe anybody anything i could do that if i wanted but i want i don't want to be known as that and so i've got to answer to to some people and it was just like man just show the video show the video but back then we put it on dvds so it's like time you didn't have youtube and you didn't have social media where you could clarify immediately so i told my dad reply is not going to go viral no yeah so the negative goes viral but the positive doesn't and so yeah i was like yeah it's kind of a bummer so i had it i did a little public statement and

take you know do the best you can and it and it helped a lot but once the dvd came out and people watched it right and then i had to manually send them out to certain naysayers and be like just watch it yeah check it out and you owe me a call back yeah you know and uh and so it was interesting but it actually like they say and you'll find this out and you probably already have but there's no such thing as bad publicity there really is no there's not and it did catapult you know i guess you know if you in this industry all you've got is your name right and and uh and adam and i know that with epic and the different things that we've done and his guiding business and all that so your name is everything and and so you take care of it for sure and that's why another reason it was so hard is you're trying to take care of your name you're trying to build a way to provide for your family

in an industry that is judging you and in the court of public you know perception and so it was sensitive and i joked with my dad back then i was like i wish we could do a a pay to download and see the video the kill scene watch jason shoot over this guy pay you know and here five dollars and i i mean it would have been freaking that would have been a hundred thousand dollar idea right there so now being here i want to hear i mean i was there but i want to i think you should tell that like the real story of how it actually went down like at the end like because it was pretty cool how we finally got our hands on that deer okay all right just 250 right no it's a good yeah it's a giant deer and and so we did end up getting on this deer um and and i well do we do you want to go down that road right now well i just i just want to i just want you to say

basically like in the end how it actually happened i mean because we've said yeah how to actually happen i mean i i bumped this deer i was in the thick trees this deer comes up to 19 yards he's staring at me i'm in super thick trees i'm holding my bow have you ever been on your knees where you're holding your bow three inches above the ground and you don't dare move and so you got to hold your bow with your arrow three inches above the ground for four minutes pretty soon it starts to shake a little bit your arrow starts to you know shake against the rest it's making a little bit of noise he's staring at you he stopped he's staring at you and uh and it was a freaking crazy you know experience because i'm looking at a 250 inch deer at 19 yards and i can't kill him yeah i can't kill him and so then he

blows goes out through the bottom and and goes over into it's about through some wide open country and of course this is general utah so we got hunters everywhere i don't know where they're all at but they're everywhere yeah and then he goes out into this uh island of trees just a short little island of trees and so i go over there and get 35 i'm out in this beds down in this island i assume i can't see him but i assume never comes out and guys are up on point big eyes you know glass and and of course chris and he's videoing from a distance and and uh and then we they go over in this thick group of trees and there's some deadfall it's like a chaining they change some and there's a great big log and deadfall and i go kind of get behind it and i'm i'm sitting there and it's hot keep in mind it's it's august it's 90 95 degrees that day and he goes in there and i and i sit there from

10 30 or 11 in the morning and and at some point they're going to get up and feed they just do right right not this day he decided to stay in those trees until 5 or 5 30 at night i sat there with my bow full camo no water no nothing sitting there waiting for this deer to come out and and it's a small island of trees it's probably 100 yards across and and i'm assumed i'm hoping i'm on the right side he could go out the other side you know so i sit there and i'm glassing the trees with my range finder and i glass i can see a piece of velvet so now i know you know and he's in there with the other bucks but i know they're there they're bedded and i've kind of got him and i could tell he's bladed out but anyway five five five thirty comes out i'm freaking parched sun sunburned uh he comes out he comes out at 35 yards and i arrow and i arrow the deer and uh and so that means the other guy was

at about 10 yards he must have been i shot over some things i think it was mostly grass maybe a bitter brush but anyway smoked the deer well i had to get another round or two and aim another arrow but anyway ended up getting the deer the guys that i supposedly shot over came up congratulated us they had uh been on lunch and then came back out and and were glassing and they saw him after i had initially put the arrow in him and then you know of course i finished him and they were super good uh cousins of mine came up hey dude do you mind if we go put our hands on him with you and and just see him and stuff and and everything was great and then that came out and it kind of it was just kind of a bummer yeah just kind of an asterisk like uh i don't know it seems like that stuff happens a lot on on social media

like i don't know what it is if it's jealousy like i talked a little bit about on instagram about people being detectives like they'll look at a picture on social media and then they're trying to figure out anything wrong yeah just to try to tarnish what you've done but uh the haters like that i call them haters this is like a cliche thing to say but they always win the short game you know they're always loud in the beginning they always have something to say in that moment but over time i mean your accomplishment will stand on its own the fact that you're able to kill a lot more big deer and stuff it just silences all those critics yeah yeah but uh how people uh we talked about a minute ago but with your humor the people we kind of know you we know you kind of through chris we kind of personally know you so we know when we watch your your stories or posts we know when you're joking

yeah there's got to be a lot of people that watch are like that guy's a prick

they don't know you especially us too even on these podcasts sometimes jen is like you know people that don't know you don't understand what you're saying i'm like i don't know so but you get you get the haters jumping out at you like you know that was mean rude you're you sure pompous oh there was guys that think you're serious hey if you need some help with that i got it yeah give us a couple especially in the beginning i know it was that way yeah but i think it's gotten a little easier but i think most people get it yeah now but in the beginning and i those are still my favorite comments to get when people take it completely seriously i love that i love that better you got a couple you can think well i posted something the other day of an elk shed behind a tree just blatant i saw that and i was like people who suck at shed hunting probably won't be able to find the shed in this picture

but i see sheds everybody else sees trees right everybody's like i can see it i see it it's right

that just makes me thought it was one of those find the shed yeah find it it's but it's engagement with your fans yeah it's good and that's engagement's what it's all about like you i want people comment and i want people having a conversation on those posts and stuff but i've had people get real mad at me like i did a back and forth thing with the hush guys a while ago yeah it was a bit of a long time ago and yeah i just kind of said like oh yeah i'm hanging out with these guys and then they went on their deal and they're like we don't know this dude like he's telling everybody's hanging out with what's he doing i know and they're like go give him some crap and i got man that day i got probably 100 dms of people being like quit being an a-hole you're you're trying to get famous off somebody else and i loved every minute of it well you've done it with cameron haynes too and even cam's now

liking your stuff comment and i mean yeah cam yeah i actually talked to cam every once in a while he's a pretty pretty good dude um i made a post at the expo last year i met cam and i took a picture with him and i put when you finally meet your hero congrats cam it must feel pretty good and he uh he reposted it and everything and so most people have a really good really good sense of humor about it and stuff and this hasn't been too big we do so that's the thing about social media anymore and adam and i and of course the guys here at epic i mean it gives everybody a voice you everybody can say what they're thinking everybody can do whatever they want to do and but the good guys that uh have a plan and and a good following and have some good content obviously rise to the top a little bit and end up getting sponsored and a few things get you know a lot more doors open and so

what are anything else you can tell us about what you're looking at doing in the future well i just want to i want to maintain the fact that i'm a normal dude you know like there's a lot of guys out there that are pro hunters that are you know legitimately at the gym 4 30 every morning and they're spending a ton of money and doing all kinds of things that i'm not doing i'm just a normal dude who's trying to do what he wants to do i don't try to portray portray that i'm like an expert at anything like i like to hunt i like to shed on it's my passion for sure but i'm going to screw stuff up i screw stuff up all the time i blow deer out all the time like when you're telling me that story about you killing that deer i just think that deer would have heard me open a little debbie at some point in the afternoon it would have been long gone when i crouched down it would hurt me in my

cargo pocket well i just thought i just thought a cargo a carton of little debbies

i probably would have avoided before i ever got to the crouch position like i'm not going to be crouching yeah pretty soon you're like it's not worth it i gotta yeah never mind it's just a 250 right well i'm just i'm just a normal dude out there i'm kind of a clabber ass and i trip and fall and i just out there having fun trying to do what i want to do for a living and i think people get a little bother when they see me get sponsors or they see me working with big companies because they're like i'm way more legit than that dude it's like yeah you probably are it's okay but you're also real and authentic that's one thing about it and i think you know the example you gave about mountain ops they probably saw that it's like they could have been pissed off and so that jack water whatever sure never talked to you again but there's other people that we all know that they think they're

i can't say that okay never mind so uh we're super excited for you we're we we for one we're excited for you and we like what you're doing let's so you tell me you mentioned canada let's talk about it how did it go canada was a blast just once uh-huh yeah that was the first time i'd ever been up there gonna go back yeah we're planning for this year we got it all set up adam and i just entry and exit of that country has not been our chris could you chris chris was kicked out of the country for booted for a year oh yeah yeah they were gonna go down that road they put a mark on his record no longer could he go into canada for a year i'm i'm free to go back in now but if if chris tries to go carrying a maple leaf flag they won't let him i just figured i was kind of thinking he must have flirted with the wrong agent up there or something was going how did they kick people out in canada

oh they kick you they walk you on the plane like sorry sit you down in a seat and watch you fly away apologize in the doorway stand their door there again on their head and say don't move literally they don't even give you on that maple syrup for the road or anything no maple syrup man no maple seemed like they'd be so polite i don't know i need to try to go back you know what the residents are polite is the government it was not that pleasant go ahead chris oh it was rough kind of a random this is a hilarious random story i never thought i'd tell really but here we are

basically i wasn't prepared for brudus 60 seconds or less they basically chris shows up the company jason on one of his hunts yeah gonna video one of the video it's not a real low-key deal well it wasn't it wasn't like i was i don't know yeah it wasn't really it was before before i was like we hadn't even started epic yet no i was kind of just going along and um i but i had my camera gear and obviously it's a lot of camera gear and that's a red flag to them they thought he was a hollywood film yes and you can't hire you can't you can't bring your own people to do a project if it's for commercial project if somebody if a canadian if you could have hired a canadian to do that same project or you have the working visa or whatever other documentation so what's nice about that is they're protecting other canadians to keep them in work like if you're going to bring your own

people that could so you could hire a canadian to do you have to hire a canadian to do it yeah and so you're like well no i know jason he doesn't want a guy he doesn't even know in a blind with sure he wants me in the blind because i'm going to catch the kill scene right but you know how do you explain all that they don't they don't understand that and so they're like oh sir you're here for personal reasons and there's uh twenty thousand dollars of gear right yeah you're a liar yeah right so well the thing was though like i sent in all my information to some people who were going to take care of the paperwork well i sent them all my information and i show up at the airport and come to find out they didn't do any of it so here's chris trying to just sell a story on the fly that he's up there as hey this is my friend i'm and we are well that's what friends that's what it was yeah my stuff

anyway the guy that i the story the guy that i happened to get lined up with he had a kind of a chip on his shoulder that day or you guys didn't like the same sports team or no no he was he didn't like the way i was talking with the co-worker and it ticked yeah i have it like a southern utah accent or something and he didn't like it and chris is like i'm here with my friends and he goes friends you're here with your friends so i might as well and we knew he was going home i guess i'll tell that story to switch so what happened so i go up to the gate and the lady told me to go to in a different line from jason and everybody that i was with and i was like i'm not sure if i'm supposed to go with them because i'm actually traveling with them so i was kind of confused as where i was at and i got up to the to the guy and i was like customs crossing he's like yeah and he's what are you

doing in canada and i said well i'm here with my friends and i kind of pointed down and maybe i hesitated a little bit when i said it because i thought maybe i was supposed to be with them anyway he looks at me and he's like why'd you say it like that and i and i'm like what why'd you say it like that why did i say what like what and he's saying he says friends you said friends and i'm like uh-oh we got problems keep in mind this is when chris is young and cocky right yeah you know chris is bristled up this guy's bristled up and i'm looking down there going chris is gonna leave the country soon you guys just wave on the other side of the international border now looking over the border and i'm thinking i don't know who chris is i don't know don't even ask me do not point my direction again that's probably why i've got a video camera on my

cell phone i'm fine so the guy to me was being a little belligerent i was just trying to cooperate and i literally did not try to say friends in any weird way at all and he started telling me i was being passive aggressive and i'm like honestly like i don't even know what i did like i really don't i said friends wrong i'm sorry well and it just kind of escalated from there i got to the point where i was just like all right dude whatever are you mocking me because that's literally how i talk like yeah he didn't like that from there it was just how fast can we get this kid back to the usa yeah then it was what size of handcuffs do you want and and so when he transferred me eventually to another officer and the other officer was like honestly it's really not a big deal but that guy's pretty mad at you and so we have to like go through with this i bet he was french

canadian probably yeah so i got a one-year ban from canada that's been several years back on the plane right well they walked me back across the border and said you're not coming back well they just said for for a year like you're done for a year a year just like that just because of the way you say the word whole country friends no i don't yeah friends yeah friends see it that was probably just a piece of what he was feeling i'm sure he there was his mannerisms the way he was dressed who he flirted with well chris is still single i know hey i know that that's good nothing to do to the lady part of that was i feel like we were in we were in vancouver and there is a lot of anti-hunting sentiment there and i feel like that may have played a part of it as well yeah yeah it's understandable all right so so your experience mine was a little longer i spent a little more time in the country

just you actually got to set foot i did in the bushes yeah we uh we drove so we crossed the border driving um we just made about a 24 26 hour drive up to northern saskatchewan where we went place called reindeer lake um just a giant beautiful lake up there jumped in a honda odyssey with some friends and made the drive um and we got there and like um we're hunting with a a place up there it's called trout camp they do bear hunts and they do fishing and stuff and the first uh we got there right before dark got up the next day went fishing and then they threw us in the bear stand with very little instruction and i'm southern utah guy run into bears very very rarely and so i didn't know what to do but i was like whatever yeah so i'm sitting in a tree stand and uh on over bait um and get up there sitting my tree and well right when we go to pull up to the bait there's a good bear

on the bait and i'm john was shoot it off the front of the boat my guy's like no no no no no not yet you're like hey don't rock this boat oh yeah i was a full jaw i was gonna shoot it it's 30 30 yards and he's like no you know that was one minute into my hunt and so i went got in that stand doing like you're dude i get it done i'm not 10 minutes there's a chance i know we drove to canada for this but i'll shoot right now but i got in my stand and that bear came back in and i looked at him and i knowing how little i know about black bears i'm like well i guess i'm just not gonna shoot this one because he's the first one i've seen and so i decided to try to be a trophy hunter and i let him walk away and then a sow came in a real tall sow and i let her walk and then a big tall cinnamon bear came in and i liked him so i shot him so that was the first night we were

there killed that bear and everything and so i was just gonna fish the rest of the week we're up there for seven days and so my buddy casey said i should come film him on his uh on his bear hunt so there's a double stand you're like yeah i don't i only charge 150 a day sure i mean who's equipment because that might change yeah my my phone or your iphone i could work for my friend i guess see i cash under the table i think i would have got i should have filmed it with my iphone i think i would have got better video because the video ended up a little shaky i was trying to film with a dslr but it was kind of a same scenario we pulled up to that bait to sit in this double stand and there was a bear on the bait right when we got there and you know the first bear i saw that was on the bait ran away you know and so i thought this is gonna run away no big deal yeah so we go to get out

of the boat and we start walking up there and our guide's a cree indian i think they're called cree anyway and uh he's following behind us and he has a rifle and stuff i'm like so no big deal but that bear doesn't care that we're there he just looks at us pretty soon you hear him jacking around well he he had one in for sure and the bear kind of walks away from the bait and just sits on its haunches and looks at us and my guide starts getting nervous and he said oh that's a bad bear that's a bad bear and i'm like oh whatever you know we got a rifle we'll be okay and so casey decides he's going to try to sneak over there and shoot this bear on the ground what's up yeah because it thought it'd be a good video it wasn't a giant bear yeah but he thought you know the hunt situation is a one bear limit

yeah it is yeah so we went over towards that bear um and it just kind of walked away from us and when we got over there within about 30 40 yards of it he decided not to shoot it a little thought smaller than he thought it was and so said well we'll just get in the tree and so the guide was going to go refill the bait barrel but he just turned around and got in the boat and left because he didn't want to he was scared of the bear with the rifle yeah took the rifle so we had our casey had his bow i had nothing so we climbed up these two tree stands that were in these two trees right next to each other and we're sitting down i'm trying to i have the dslr i'm trying to get set up to video get the camera arm on and everything and casey says look i look down that bear is right in between our two trees and

it's looking up at me in the tree and just kind of just eyeballing me and i wasn't i hadn't had any bears be aggressive or anything the day before and all my bear experience so i wasn't nervous this is when you wished you were a lifter guy yeah you could climb higher in the tree i definitely definitely was looking for a way out of there but so it's just kind of eyeballing me and it circles around in front of the stand so it's looking just right up my ladder at me and i'm trying to get on it and i start filming it there and then it just crouches and starts climbing up the tree that i'm in and uh come on slow fast no it was coming quick and so me and casey both started yelling at it and it stopped probably six feet or so below me and then it climbed back down the tree and then it kind of came around behind us again it did the same thing and we yelled at it again and like the whole

time it's like locked eye to eye on me like you know you know animals get he's like i want you big that's the guy i want he had a big appetite that i don't need this big pile you're like i wish i had a shave today probably gonna be friends yeah he probably thought i was a cinnamon it was it was it was a black bear but maybe he had a thing for cinnamon you know yes i don't know what i don't know what his intentions were i didn't ask him but like that's a good color face yeah that's a pretty salad there how do you like being a sound whatever whatever works so the third time it came around and started climbing the tree again we yelled at it and it was like it was predatory it looked predatory to me you've seen how animals get when they're trying to do something yeah ready to go and it was coming for a third time and i told my friend casey to shoot that bear and and not quite those

words but yeah similar words yeah yeah and a couple adjectives in between yeah and it backed up to come a third time or a fourth time up the tree and he shot it with his bow and killed it come on and uh like did he shoot it off the tree or at the base right it was actually behind my tree stand every time it had circle and then come up the tree and it was circling behind us again and he turned and shot it right in between our two trees at about 10 yards or less killed it and i was so shook up man that video is on youtube and i can't believe how much crap i've got over that one because i was shaking so bad i can't film i've got to go watch that your brothers and everybody knows you would just mock you oh yeah everybody's giving me crap about it because there might have been a little bear well you know when you take the bait up the tree with you instead of leaving the little

debbie's down the barrel what do you expect well it was funny i got back to the lodge after that i went down we were showing everybody the video and telling the story and stuff and my guide says why didn't you have bear spray i'm like well man i didn't know i was supposed to where's the where's the bear spray let's have some bear spray that would have been great i checked that on my luggage i had nothing hazardous in my luggage you're supposed to hand that to me when i get that's right there's a big shelf of it in the lodge you're supposed to have that stuff oh thanks but it was uh it was a trip for sure but you're going back didn't deter you from one no i'm going back and i'm going to take my 45 70 this year so there we go so let's see so you got you chris loves bears too i guess i mean you're in the same boat like you love elk but where do bears fit on that

i love bears this is my first i've had a few little experiences with them i've run into them shed hunting and saw some in idaho this year and um they're i love them i think they're cool i think they're fun to hunt and neat animals that that bear i ended up killing up there went a lot bigger than we thought it was going to go really where'd it go um it was just over 19 it was 19 and wow uh i was like almost 19 and a half i can't remember exactly what the number was but it was it was a good bear really square out of phase i don't even we didn't measure his height or nothing and but he was tall and skinny so spring bear he's kind of kind of old and poor but what about this bear in the cave story chris has mentioned this to me i'm like all right i'm gonna ask you yeah so we that one we were shed hunting in arizona and we were in some really ledgy country down there and uh i'd never seen bears

there never seen bear sign didn't even cross my mind really desert-y country a lot lower elevation than i'd ever picture running into him so i glass and and i was just glassing his face and i saw a cave underneath uh like a big boulder just kind of a opening and i could see where somebody had a fire in there like it was black on the top and i thought oh maybe there's some indian stuff in there so i was gonna go look see if there was some pottery or something in there and i walked over there to it and i got right you know it was illegal to talk i wasn't gonna pick it up of course okay and i wouldn't be doing it could have been on private jason oh that's right good point okay i was just gonna look at it but uh i got to the opening of the cave and uh i could see eyes in the back of this this cave about

like this is on 15 feet away and i'm like oh there's something in there but i thought it was like a half turn on my cell phone flashlight right speak english well there was javelina tracks all over the entry of the cave and stuff i thought there's probably pigs in there yeah and so i pulled out my camera that i had with me and i just can take a picture of it i took a picture and it flashed and i looked in the viewfinder and i'm like i don't look like a pig i took the picture again and looked at it and then i could see clear as day like oh this is a black bear how close are you 15 feet and do you have a bear spray no not that time either and you're throwing a startling bright flash yeah it was a terrible situation and it's bobbing back and forth and looking at me i can see its eyes going back and

forth and i just i ran for it obviously i turned around and ran down the hill and i called my buddies on the radio and they came and came and checked it out with me but still back in there did he leave the cave or it's kind of cool i went back this year to see if he was there again um and the cave goes back 10 or 15 feet and it turns a big corner like it's a big den back in there and when when they came back over we could see part of it we couldn't see his face looking just like it was but yeah it never came out we went across and watched to see if it would come out of there and i don't know forever more probably be there in there oh yeah dined up i was gonna crawl in and look this year i didn't don't need to know that bad so was that after canada that was before that was the first like real close encounter

i've had with bears because it seems like i mostly spend time in the desert country i don't run into them very much so yeah i don't know i don't have any crazy grizzly stories we ran into one in the desert this year it was kind of crazy out down in new mexico go ahead jason's in new mexico and you're like which bear you guys probably the bear whisperer i can't even remember which bear you're talking about in new mexico just barely we're sitting there jason walked up over a little ridge in the sand we're out in the sand elk hunting basically and on a sand dune elk hunting i didn't tell you this dude there so we're out well it's sand sand dunes and there's there's trees you know growing up in these sand dunes and out in the desert and you look and a guy a rancher remember the rancher's like

yeah there's like three bears out here and i'm like okay we've hunted it before never seen a bear track we're driving down the road there's freaking bear tracks i'm like dude there are bears here and uh a big old bull track had crossed the road and i'm like oh let's go tracking for a minute because i mean we're in the thickest crap they're not bugling it's a tough tough hunt i get out i go over this little sand dune which is again full of trees i go over this little sand dune and i look up there and there's something in a tree like what 80 yards yeah it was 80 yards i'm like dude i think that's a bear in the freaking tree and i'm like chris get over here get over here because i want him to video it you know and he's chilling in this tree moving around scratching his back i mean clear up in this tree

and i'm like holy crap when you ever walk up on a bear in a tree let alone without dogs let alone in desert sand dune middle of new mexico where you you don't even yeah don't even expect a bear to live huh that's cool anyway yeah he went we went over there he ambered out by the time chris got his gear that he'd taken to canada out of the you know and was set up to film the bear had kind of worked his way out of the tree and and never did see us and just kind of walked away that's cool i did get a little footage with my uh dslr it was good footage from like 80 yards yeah it's good footage it's just kind of beautiful high it on him yeah it's freaking what color was it was a black oh it's very cinnamon all it's very red red cinnamon you'd have been you guys would have made a good yeah yeah you'd have been in trouble yeah i he'd have come it was a pretty bear we'd have been a good

couple big sow so anyway um yeah yeah anyway so what other uh kind of uh what kind of rig do you have to hunt shit well that's a funny thing to start laughing i didn't yeah i i probably i bought a different one this week i've got a different one all the time um i uh i just bought a tundra but i uh i've been cruising the geo trackers for a lot of years and the suzuki sidekicks just because they get killer good mileage and i'm always trying to do everything on the cheap yeah four-wheel drive they go everywhere i bought a little chevy s10 and i blew it up last week did you a couple weeks ago so you had clutch problems yeah i was having no tranny not tranny not tranny transmission i thought it worked in both situations for you i didn't know i mean anyway not for millennials i just want to clarify what tranny means to me you're born after 2000 i'm from the

old days a tranny's a transmission i didn't know there was but but yeah like the flip-flops and thongs i'm yeah i know and you know what that is actually one i struggle with i know i do their thongs yeah i know and janna looks at me and she's like really those are flip-flops hey go put your thongs on go over well why do you wear two of them though that's what i want to know really it's noon yeah don't you i mean put your thong outside put your thong on we're going to the beach well all right all right all right so you got a tunder a tracker though yeah how did you blow it up well i always fly fly by the seat of my pants like on all my vehicles i'm always driving beaters just because i'm trying to save money but yeah that s10 i pull my my horn by and trailer around with it it's probably not totally made for it as a manual transmission though i'm like it'll be okay yeah

but i was headed over to colorado to hunt with the hush boys there and uh i was on i-70 and i uh i don't know i guess i can tell all that i had my headphones in because i was watching netflix and that's not probably not the best part of the story you can cut that out for safety reasons people shouldn't do that but all of a sudden my rpms went to about max red line yeah and i was in cruise control so i heard and popped turned the cruise off popped it out of gear and uh i shed a bunch of parts on the freeway and i pulled over and i thought well this trip's over and i was debating what i was going to do but i was like out there in between oh on i-70 between richfield and green river yeah middle of nowhere yeah and uh so i started messing around with it i had no first gear no second gear no third gear and then i tried fourth gear and it stalled out on me i'm like oh i got fourth

gear we're money so i'm like well let's keep rolling so put her in fourth gear i saw luckily i was a big downhill you're heading to colorado you're like yeah i'm not going home just make it there i'll sell it to a salvage yard over there i'm gonna rent a Subaru yeah that's how i roll man i figured i could roll i could sell it on craigslist for a few hundred bucks and buy something cheap and keep going so i got to uh i milked it all the way to grand junction like that and then i met up with my buddy wes over there and um he let me stay at his place and i i got on craigslist i was on craigslist the whole night i was gonna buy a truck in grand junction or something yeah and then uh ended up finding somebody who could take a look at it got a rental car went the rest of the way to colorado then picked it up on way home decided not to fix it and drove it the whole way home in fourth gear

and so does the engine still work yeah engine's great oh okay yeah it's just uh just the transmission it's gone it's tough yeah no reverse that part's hard probably make a good go-kart it does it does okay i debated fixing it it's only about a thousand bucks so okay should turn this into an ad if it's somebody wants to buy a cherry s10 so far so good i got like three days ago so it's uh does it need any work i mean i'm gonna do a timing belt on it it's due for some maintenance but other than that it's it's good it's good truck it's solid a couple hundred thousand hope so toyota's yeah that's came from in social media right we couldn't call that the insta truck yeah i did some guy just dm'd me on instagram about it said he had it for sale after you after you had your debacle of the s10 yeah i do everything through instagram i just threw a story up there said i was

looking for a tundra somebody had one and this kid had a good deal on one so i bought it and bought probably some of his sheds or took him out of the flower garden somewhere in colorado saying hey just stopping for lunch somewhere and just say where you're at somebody probably should buy your lunch oh it's kind of yeah that's kind of what i try to do just milk people for all they got so um yeah it's cool the social media thing's cool like that solves a lot of problems i'd have been screwed in colorado with no friends without it so there's one of these other uh headings that chris put down here about miracle strawberries or toilet paper i mean what are the what are we talking about these are miracles that happened to me in the hills they're some of my favorite stories so miracle strawberries i ran out of little davies and i found some strawberries you're surprising

wild strawberries yeah one of my favorite things to do is go to sunday dinner at the dead of money you get all kinds of stories and these are both stories that i heard over there so yeah so how are you guys related let's see just a little i just want to put this family thing together george mumford who i graduated with in high school how are you guys related to george george is my brother-in-law he's married to my sister he's married to your sister yeah okay yep george freaking cool oh man george is the best i mean george grew i mean grew up hunting with george he came on the scene when i was about 16 and yeah took me kyle hunting shed hunting everything okay george is one of the main reasons that i'm doing any of this stuff yeah he's a good dude man he's is he involved in the miracle strawberry story no he

wasn't there that day he uh it was me and my little brother josh is who it was okay and we were on the dutton we were scouting for josh's elk tag and uh he had that dutton muzzleloader three four years ago probably it would have been 2013 2014 so yeah i ran into you guys over there that year yeah i remember seeing you um and we were in our typical fashion out of food you know we didn't pack well enough for the trip we just threw the camper on josh's trailer and hauled over there and we walked down one of those steep canyons on the top of the dutton and no food just just starving and glass for bulls it got to be about 11 in the morning we're like dying down there and josh is standing there kind of kicking his feet thinking wishing we had something to eat and he looks down and we're standing in a strawberry patch

come on there's like hundreds of these strawberries have you ever seen that over there adam you've spent a lot of time over there some notes yeah i can tell you i'd like to find that patch because if i find that patch i can find a good hunting spot no that's better the strawberries were better than the elk hunting that day for sure so we found a whole bunch of them when we were able to make it out of their life we were pretty calorie depleted we probably would have died so there was a load of straw where they were red yeah they were ripe and perfect and everything i thought it was like something some bible status stuff wow man from heaven yeah it had to be it saved our lives that day are you religious very religious now that we're talking about now i am all right after the bear and the cave and yeah i'm a

religious dude what about this toilet paper story is this one gonna go south um it uh no this is everybody's got another story miracle this is this really is a good story though okay i just did not know this was like i ran out of toilet paper and this is what i did i ran out of toilet paper after eating a load of strawberries yeah yeah i did not know they were related in any way immediately following the last one yeah okay just making sure well this is what me and my buddy troy uh we're shed hunting um and we rode our four-wheelers we were on our four-wheelers going down the road and we are clear back in the middle of nowhere like way way back in and we're running and troy's you know on the four-wheeler and troy locks it up in front of me piles off his four-wheeler and goes running for the trees and he's holding his guts and i'm like oh he's got a crap so he runs into the trees and i'm

like you got toilet paper and he's like nope he runs into the trees like well okay i guess i got socks and gloves that's the way it is or a shirt sleeve right it's only reason to buy a pocket tee but he uh good point what does anybody use that pocket for that's it it's just spare toilet paper yeah all right keep going so he so he ran into the trees and i was like well we're up on the ridge i'll go glass if i can glass up the shed while we're sitting right here so i sat down on the hill and i started glass and i'm looking around and i look across from me on the side hill and there's a little flat spot and there's something white in this flat spot i'm like oh maybe it's a shed or something you know and i glass and i'm like oh no way so i get out my spotter and i look at it and there's a brand new roll of

toilet paper sitting on the side hill on the other side oh boy fill out of someone's pack i have no idea and it hadn't been rained on it was still attached to the roll everything brand new i walked over there and picked it up i couldn't believe it i thought troy that's probably why troy goes to church nowadays that was his divine story yeah so you went and got it brought it back yeah i went and took it to him and he was taken care of yeah i didn't come on no way yeah he used it and that did not happen i promise it happened that's troy's testimony story oh my so did you throw it to him or did you walk it through i tossed it i was trying to stay back from the chaos on that one but it was kind of like us and the pringles yesterday adam and i were out in the middle of nowhere come across there's a there's a roll of pringles jason just about to run them over slimes on the brakes says get out

and i'm like we're thinking the same we're hungry five in the evening we're getting dark we've run cameras since three or four hours from home yeah and not much else other than a little bit of bird food it was terrible and so we get out there and we're hoping it's you know pristine well yeah if you open it up then you're like oh game on yeah crushing those open it up and it was powder they had been on the back of a four-wheeler for a hundred miles on the roughest road you can imagine if you would have tilted it up and inhaled you would have choked for two hours and adam's like you know what i we can't do it and i go give them to me how you give them to me i look and i looked in there and i'm like you're right uh was it was it sealed still no they'd been half but if they were whole yeah even but the but the top

lid was on and sealed the top but the but it had been open but it put back on but it had been shake shaken by a two-year-old for three days or written and on the back and forth with it for a week you should have just mixed it with water and drank it you could have yeah you could have made ash cakes or snorted or something it reminds me of that time that i ate dry oatmeal packets oh yeah i mean who does that okay we're in the water water you're out of water and so you don't want to make your oatmeal with water because that wastewater right you're going to try to eat it raw what's going to happen you're going to dehydrated okay it's going to pull water from your body your mouth to finish you're going to make a perfect oatmeal in your belly so needless to say chris cramped up the entire trip no no no no it was delicious i would do it again yeah chris we're like what are you doing

what are you doing and he goes in water yeah yeah i'm saving water and having breakfast no no like no so we're out glass and i was starving because we packed for 10 days that's my life so we had crap to eat you know yeah i had oatmeal packets with apples and dried dried apples in it and i was starving we were out there hiking and i'm like i just stared at that packet and i'm like that's going i gotta eat something try it and so i opened it up and i just poured it down and i started chewing it i'm like that's really not too bad huh yeah whatever works adam and i were like oh kids it's very similar to canada i don't know that kid yeah i've uh i've been through some of those i drank the juice off a can of spam before i've done a lot of stuff like that sometimes you got you we got no that stuff if you

pour it on the log and light it with a match it'll start really it's like lighter fluid it seems like seems like a waste of spam i'm just teasing i don't know it probably would it's got so much grease you'll start a grease fire oh yeah spam's not too bad we had kind of a talking about food and we're coming on lunch it's time and adam and i i i mean i haven't ate breakfast this morning we slip in a little bit skip it so let's see yeah i had a deal in new mexico where we got super dehydrated that was like kind of like that like chris is saying really yeah we actually that's the closest i ever had to a zach griffith life flight was uh was our little new mexico trip no way yeah it was uh we were borderline um we uh borderline spending 20 grand i'm glad i didn't have to i mean yeah that's a lot of i didn't have it that's a lot of trannies that's six a lot of

shit that's six of my trucks right there let's do the math how many brown 10 pound elk antlers is that that's a little if each each antler averages six and a half pounds i don't know what the average is what's the average on an elk shit uh if you average six you're doing pretty well because you pick up so many rag horns and stuff but you're talking about average yeah a big bowl a big shit ought to weigh eight to ten pounds you know dude i found some 15 pounders you should some raid my freaking stack let's go right after well i mean i might see oh see he's backpedaling now come raid it i'll buy them from you if you ever want to sell them there are some heavy ones that's a hundred almost your goal yeah okay you find 179 brown elk antlers that weigh eight pounds yeah at 14 bucks a pound 20 000 bucks that's a full year your goal your goal is to make 20 grand a year yeah okay that's that's

aiming high but i think that's where the sponsors come in that is what about deer sheds all right all right so all right so here you are you're in new mexico yeah so hydrated contemplating life flight yeah it we got to that point we hiked up into this spot um and it's really far away from everywhere that's why it's a good elk shed spot it was with a couple buddies of mine one from down there and one from up here and uh we packed food up in there water and everything for a couple days but we also looked um on the map and there's a couple springs up in there and my buddy had been to him in the past and and filtered water out of them and stuff so we figured we'd be able to get some water in there so we kind of under packed on the water so we hiked up in and loaded up just loaded up on and horns we had probably 50 plus elk sheds two and three of us and so we were we were weighed down

heavy we stayed one night in there coming out heavy yeah and got out we were coming down and and we were pretty much run out of water it was in june so it was like 90 90 plus degrees where were you exactly uh you you told me where to go you ought to know oh yeah i do know where i did i did hook them up i wouldn't we on a 10 commission yeah where's my yeah well i don't know once i tell you the whole story i don't think you want any part of it keep going i got down this uh we so we decided to go down a different canyon because there was supposed to be a spring down there that we were going to hit for water on the way out yeah yeah it wasn't like i guarantee tell me about the spring there'll be water bottles everything no we got there it was it was totally dry of course and like well if we go down a little further maybe that one will have water and so we

went clear out of our way and every spring up there had dried up just a bad water year and so we're looking at the map we're like five five or six miles from the truck as the crow flies we're a long ways up in there and so we decided we were going to have to turn and go up this big face and across and drop off to where the truck was and uh we each had about one normal water bottle left and uh so we started hiking up this and everybody started draining their water down and um we got to the top and we were all pretty much just had a little bit left and i started you know to the point now i wasn't sweating or anything anymore because i was so dehydrated i'm there i'm a big dude i'd run out of water quick and uh we got moving across the top we found a a cow tank on the top we're like oh that'll have water and it saw it on the map so we hiked over there to it and got there it was dry too so by

then we're totally out of water 90 plus degrees and we're just dying we're hurting all of us and so we found the four-wheeler trail that we'd hiked in on we knew it was a rough crappy one and my buddy um isaiah who's a guy down there said he thought he could make it out the four-wheeler trail and bring the jeep back up the four-wheeler trail and pick us up so me and my buddy jared sat down on that four-wheeler trail just to wait for him well it turns out the trail was washed out in between us and him and he couldn't get his jeep up it he had to kind of fill the whole thing up with with rocks took him like five or six hours to get back to where we were and we sat there and baked in the sun the whole time and wow it got to where my mouth is so dry that my tongue started to crack and split and i couldn't get my mouth wet couldn't get anything going and we're just laying on the ground

hurting you know i kept having these super vivid dreams that my wife was bringing me water bottles and stuff it was crazy we were bad wow it's a scary point yeah we could have a whole we could have a whole podcast on those dude they're so miserable another one yeah they're they i don't even like talking about them really but having said that he should sue the forest service for not maintaining that trail yeah absolutely absolutely it wasn't it definitely wasn't in a wilderness area yeah yeah it's it was a scary thing he ended up getting back up to us but i think after we started drinking water right away and i think it took me two full days to take a leak yeah well i'm kind of tired of i'm kind of tired of of talking about hunting um so let's talk about let's talk about what's the craziest story you've got from social media you know the craziest something that's happened

on social media to you i've had i had this dude um that he's a creeper from youtube he always comments way just creepy stuff a lot am i a creeper well i don't want to put you in the creeper category so what if you like is there a way to like too many things no yeah that's fine this dude's not like i just want to social media etiquette yeah this dude's a hater he's always posting weird comments telling me i'm a piece of trash and all this stuff okay apparently whatever i'm robbing the sheds from the working man event guy came and and hooked you up with some security he should have i should get that vivent sponsored that'd be nice but this guy yeah he's just a tool like he's always just commenting crap and making new accounts when i block him and stuff no way yeah but i ran into him in mesquite last week come on face to face you're full of it no i swear how did you know it

was him i because i well i have a friend who's really good with computers so people make anonymous accounts and then he can tell me who they are so i know who this guy is i know where he lives i could use this friend what would he charge us to do a few things he'd help you out okay so keep going yeah so he found out who the guy was so he doesn't know i know who he is but i was in mesquite last week down there having some crab at the buffet and uh he was standing outside the bathroom shed hunting must be really lucrative how long was last time you had crab adam i can't remember the virgin river is like 1499 okay so okay all right into the virgin river yeah yeah that's yeah but you gotta drive there all right so i ran into this dude and and i i saw him that he recognized me but he didn't think i knew who

he was and so i just walked up to him and i said so you did uh huh it's caught in his face so you did not yeah and he just kind of ducked his head and walked away you're fast as fast as he could go no way so how big was he was if he was giant would you have approached him i don't know probably he wasn't that big he had a big guy with him yeah but i was i was ready to scrap were you because he's really ticked yeah and he's probably the only person who's really got under my skin most of these guys don't bother me and he doesn't really bother me that much he's just one of those dudes you want to shut his mouth yeah that was good enough i didn't have to so no more problems with him now that he's seen you face to face he's like he knows i maybe he lives in mesquite i know where he lives but he uh you could crush the guy if you actually got your whole fan base you know to know who

he is yeah it could hurt well that's that's why i've held back honestly and the guy's an outfitter and that's the thing that i was like on that's the thing that i've held back on is because really just even the messages the stuff he said we're an outfitter where in nevada so he lives in yeah she lives in nevada so i could really i mean i have enough on the dude i could crush him and that's the whole thing is like do i want to go after this guy's livelihood because he's an internet idiot or do i want to just kind of drop it so i haven't really done too much but if he pushes pushes it anymore i'll just post his cell phone number and let people talk to him if they want to talk to him don't bother my friend ben he's got enough tranny problems this dude could be a tranny all right there's there's no uh i don't know that's the only person that's ever really got

under my skin all right um okay well i now i want to go back to hunting because it's kind of a gross story yeah uh let's see what's your dream hunt what do you you talked about out talked about bears what do you what's on your list i'd really keep doing badger oh yeah badger you know lot metal lark something like that i uh i really have wanted to get into the sheep thing a little bit um i've been putting him for desert for forever and i'd love to kill i know your grandpa runs cows out in that yeah we hunt sheep yep we we see him out there occasionally he had a desert tag uh about four years ago or so and so we kind of got a little taste of it my dad's max points for sheep make it happen man drop we're gonna have a party yeah i would love to do that you know might even do an epic sanctioned free guided trip from section and uh crazy let's do it camp down there big collaboration that'd be

fun collaboration with the hush boys let's do it bring everybody be fun bring them all yeah i'd love to do that but anyhow anywhere i could kill an elk over 400 is like the old 100 i want a 400 straight six yeah i really do it's just but you got to stop everything you're doing and work on that for 20 years oh yeah that's kind of the way it is well if you could uh go back in time you get you know to your prior self maybe 12 16 months ago what would you tell yourself shed crazy telling himself hey this is how you're gonna make it in the hunting world what would you tell yourself oh geez i don't know i think i'd just say that um just kind of remind myself to to keep it me keep it original you know and like not let not get mostly not get too caught up in what people say and other people's opinions just keep doing my thing because there's so much of that negativity online and like

really it amounts to nothing like the people that are saying that stuff they're not accomplishing stuff they're not following their dreams they're just working they're at their jobs and they're trying to take shots at you so they can get through their day so i think just ignore those people don't let them get in your head and just keep keep doing what i wanted to do in the beginning keep a clear vision and the other thing i'd probably tell myself is make way more content just like film everything film all the dumb little stuff just show the whole process a little bit better that's one of my goals for the coming years well i think people that make a living doing what you're doing people like to follow people and it's interesting to watch somebody else's life because we're kind of sick of our own

you know what i mean so it's like all right i'm sick of my day-to-day grind although it might be interesting to you it's not interesting to me but i am interested in shit crazy what's he doing today oh he's sleeping yeah of course i wish i was sleeping he's awesome he scattered he scattered a tranny in the center field so that's awesome yeah good luck with that well people i people really do go to youtube for relationships you know they want to feel like they got buddies out there they want to feel and you know not everybody but that's a law large sector of the population that likes to be involved in what you're doing likes to know what you're doing so people love the personal aspect of it and i think that's kind of what i try to tap into is just just being a normal dude you know people people like to watch anything that's real interesting and

it's different it's real stuff and i think you're right going back to your you know not letting yourself get caught up in what people say or do we're all multitasking this day and age we're you know you're at work you're seeing checking instagram you're checking your email you're checking your text messages you you know what i mean and then you're working a little bit and then you go back to and and they're just saying it off the cuff sure i don't mean and 99 of them went and say one thing to your face no it's just this it's just this buffer that media social media gives people yeah they're just kind of keyboard warriors sure yeah they feel that's all good you know it's all good Brad Paisley song online yeah so much cooler oh yeah see a lot of them are just trying to be funny too and like i try to look at stuff when people say crap to me i sure look at them like is

that legitimately funny and if it's funny i'll get my pass i don't care yeah if they actually come something good like ah you got me cool well anything you want to tell uh our listeners uh hunting wise or or social media wise or anything well just you know if you if you're looking to do something like this if you guys want to do the social media thing all you have to do is start you know just whatever you're doing just start putting it out there and and uh it'll catch on there's an audience for everything in the world yeah people are consuming everything on social media so i mean it doesn't matter if you love cats whatever it is there's a million other people out there who have the same interest you do and if you can make that thing interesting you can do whatever you want yeah and i'm not going to stand here and be like oh you can get rich like me because i'm not getting

rich but i do what i want every day yeah and that's uh that's something that a lot of people you know don't have the opportunity to do and that's something that social media can do for people yeah so you know don't be afraid to chase it a little bit i'm not saying quit you know if you're going to quit your job you better have some preparation go into it you better think it through because it's not a big money game especially not in the beginning yeah so but just just if you want to do if you want to do it if you want to do your thing if you want to follow you know chase your dreams as corny as that sounds there's ways to do it you don't have to do something you hate every day well and i think it's too is be careful what you're dreaming because uh you know our our lives may look like a dream too but

but you know where are you going with this carter well i'm just saying even hunting is work even everything is work nothing comes free so i see i was that's where i was maybe hoping yeah yeah yeah and so any adam or chris anybody want to chime anything else as we wrap this podcast up thanks for coming it's been been fun it's always good to laugh be light hearted we get that way fairly often on these podcasts but it's very easy to do with you and it's pretty funny to come across your stuff on instagram because it is a lot more look at me and how about this and all that and then you're just uh off the wall it mixes it up it's pretty awesome appreciate it thank you yeah all right well yeah thanks again ben we appreciate you i wish you the best we're expecting good things for 2018 maybe 200 300

sheds you know having done the math i think you're going to need more like 400 or 500 so anyway just to live all right well sounds good uh anything else chris i'll see you in canada yeah let's go nice ending all right thanks guys