EP: 76 Selecting the Right Camera for Your Hunt

I always tell people you can never take too many pictures. The photos are such a huge part of making those memories to me. And so you'll notice in low light situations, which happens a lot on hunts, anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast. Today we've got myself, Chris Peterson, here with John Peterson. First, as we start, we'd like to thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast, along with a lot of other things that we do. We really appreciate them. They have great gear. We've been using it for years and years. Especially the new stuff coming out. It's amazing. We've seen sneak peeks, and it's a huge jump up. So most of it will be hitting in July. So go to uahunt.com, check that out, and you'll be able to order in July. But really cool advancements. I was impressed. More advancements this year than I've seen in probably the past three years combined. Yeah, a few weeks ago we went and tested some of the new gear that's coming out, and super impressed with that.

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And Chris and I are ultra passionate about cameras. One of the reasons probably is we've been in the media side of the hunting industry for, what, 15 years or something now? And so we've been printing, hunting stories and hunting magazines for the last 15 years. And we've seen a huge difference in quality photos versus, you know, really horrible photos. And when we started out, we were scanning all the photos that got sent in and the quality was horrible. And then we saw the quality go up with digital photography and it went up and up and up. I think one of the best days of my life was when all of a sudden we didn't have to scan any more photos. We stopped getting 3x5 photos in the mail. No longer had to scan photos. And we started getting digital files. And we were getting amazing pictures consistently. And then cell phones kicked in and we started getting cell phone pictures.

And at first they were just horrible. Remember the little flip phones? Yes. The photos were like an inch by an inch. It was terrible. Yeah. And all of a sudden that better photo quality that we started to get from digital photos dropped like crazy. Cell phones have been a blessing and a curse. Some of the pros I think have been that more people have cameras that they carry on their hunting trips. And I hear a lot less, hey, I totally forgot my camera because they've got a backup. And I think another one of the benefits has been phone scope footage. And that's been great. And that's one of the things that cell phones are excellent at is that phone scope type footage. It seemed like years ago a lot of these memories on hunts just basically got forgotten and you couldn't share them. Yeah. They would just disappear with time because if you don't have a picture, memories fade.

And you can tell stories all day long. But if you don't have a photo, it kind of takes away from that. And what, 10 years ago, it seemed like we had a lot of circumstances where we'd have people that went on hunts and we'd ask them for a story and they didn't have photos. Yeah. No photos at all. We both grew up, our grandpa telling us hunting stories and there's no photographic evidence. Yeah. I remember one, he shot an eight by eight buck. And I always wondered in my mind what that buck really looked like, what it really was. Was it really a monster or was it just a little tiny deer with eight points on each side? And we'll never know because guess what? They didn't have a camera and didn't take pictures of it. Yep. And one of the other things that Chris and I get accused of is going way overboard on taking pictures.

Especially if we're with Jason after the kill, you know, we're taking every angle possible. And sometimes we'll take two to 300 pictures just, you know, after the kill, but guaranteed we're going to have a few good ones. Yeah. That's kind of our motto. I always tell people you can never take too many pictures, especially on a hunt. It's one of those things I've never heard anybody come home really and say, you know, I've got way too many pictures. It's always the opposite. It's, man, I wish I had a few more pictures. I should have taken a picture of this or I should have taken a picture of that. Or I wish I had a different angle of something. Because once that hunt's gone, once you've cut that animal up and taken it home, you can't get that back. You can't go back and take those pictures. Yeah, you're done. So take the time. When you're in that moment, it will pay off.

And I cannot tell you how many times in my life I'm doing something. I look around me and I see this scene. Maybe I can tell you one. Last year I'm coming down this trail. I was actually riding horses and I looked behind me and I saw the sun was setting and there was aspen trees and they were all golden. I looked behind me and I thought to myself, stop and take a picture. And, of course, I'm like, ah, I'll get it 20 yards down the trail. 20 yards down the trail, I didn't do it. And an hour later, I'm in totally different terrain. There's no aspen trees. It's all oak brush and it's ugly. And I didn't get that shot. And it's still in my head. So when you have those moments when something pops in your mind and says, take a picture, just do it. Take the time to take the picture. And for a lot of us, that's the reason we hunt is for the memories.

And I think for me, and maybe it's just because I'm such a visual person, the photos are such a huge part of making those memories to me. And so one of the things that this year I saw was that someone given a seminar on cell phone photography on your hunt. And it just made me cringe. Because cell phones have come a long way, but there are a lot of cons of using cell phones. Granted, they're better than nothing. And they have come a long ways. But they're still not quite as good in a lot of cases as a better camera. And John especially knows a lot of the details on that and why they're not quite as good. Well, and we'll go through some of those. But the basics. One is lens size. If you look at the lens size on most cell phones, they're about the size of a pencil eraser. And they're just tiny. And even the cheapest point and shoot, you know, you're looking at probably an inch wide or so.

And so that's just a lot more quality lens and a lot more light that comes into that sensor. And the next one I think that's a huge difference is sensor size. Yeah, sensor size to me is probably the number one factor in image quality. And that comes from light. Light is what makes photos. And if you have a larger sensor, you're loading in more light. You're recording more light as well. Yes. And so the smaller sensors just aren't able to capture the light. And so you'll notice in low light situations, which happens a lot on hunts, you start to get a lot of noise in your photos. And they just don't look as good. They're not as sharp. And the image itself is actually way smaller because your megapixels are smaller.

And I mean, we could get real technical with this, but we're going to stay away from doing that just for the sake of people probably don't really care to hear the details on photography. But long story short, small sensors make for lower quality images. Yeah. And I think so you hit on resolution a little bit. So resolution, we're going to talk about a little bit more down the line. But basically the cameras just haven't caught up to even the cell phone cameras haven't caught up to the basic point and shoot cameras yet. And so that's another big factor. One of the other ones for me is the cell phones try to compensate on quality by the processing of the chip inside the camera. And so you'll get an over-processed picture, which a lot of times will look like a painting. And so you get these soft edges and it's just not quite as clear. Yeah.

One of the things on a high-end camera, which that's what I love the most, high-end cameras. And all the images, basically I shoot in what's called a raw format. And if you look at the image, they're very flat. They're unprocessed. And so you can go in later and adjust and you can modify or get the most out of what's there. Whereas the cell phone, it overcompensates and it crushes those photos and it processes and over-processes. And once you bring those in to, let's say, if we're just designing a story, there's very little that you can do to make that photo look any better as far as adjusting colors or bringing up shadows. Or saturation. Yeah. That detail is gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and a lot of this has to do with us designing a magazine and the stories at the end. The photos that we get out of the phones, just we see the difference. And it's huge.

Not saying that if you have cell phone pictures that, you know, and you want to do a story, a lot of those do make the magazine. But a lot of them is the difference between making a cover and not. Not that we wouldn't ever put a cell phone picture on the cover if it's great. Sometimes they look good. But we have had pictures that would have definitely made the cover if they were taken on a normal camera. And since they were a cell phone, the quality was just horrible. Yeah. And going back to light, sometimes if you have a cell phone camera and you have really good light quality, you can have a picture turn out pretty good. But as soon as you get low light or less than perfect light, your chances of having a great photo kind of go out. Go way down. They go out the window. And then, so I did want to bring up one other thing we're talking about, computer processing.

The new iPhone 10, I have one and it's phenomenal, especially for Instagram photos and, you know, photos that you're looking at as big as the screen of your phone or your computer. And there's a new mode on there called portrait mode. And they look phenomenal on the screen. It blurs out the background and it's actually trying to mimic, you know, a higher end DSLR camera where you can get that shorter depth of field. And so you're, you know, the subject that's close, like the hunter is totally crystal clear and then the background's blown out and it has this high end look. The problem is all of that, the out of focus is fake. And so your camera is actually guessing what should be in focus and what shouldn't. And so Chris has a recent example. Yeah. So we had this, it's basically a horror story of what can happen if you're using portrait mode.

So if you didn't catch it already, do not use portrait mode. Just shoot in a regular mode on your, on your phone. If you happen to use your phone, if that's all you've got, do not use portrait mode. Here's the story. We got in a bunch of photos recently. A great deer was a 200 inch deer out of Arizona. And when I first looked at the photos, I'm thinking, this looks awesome. Looks, looks like kind of like a high end camera. Yeah. And as I zoomed in on those photos, it looked like a terrible, terrible, terrible Photoshop job. And what had happened is that phone had basically guessed where it should blur. And so in between each time, it couldn't quite tell where the foreground and the background was different. And so it just guessed. And so you have certain times that were completely blurred out. And it literally, it looked like a terrible Photoshop job. So that certain times were just gone.

Yeah. When, when it had never seen Photoshop, this was an image straight from a camera. Yeah. Yet it looked terrible. And so we don't want anybody to have to deal with that because if that's all you have and you come back, basically all your photos are junk. Like you have tines missing. There were cheaters on this buck that were gone because the camera blurred it out because it thought, oh, that's part of the background. So stay away from portrait mode. So if you're taking pictures of your kids and you just want them for Instagram, then go ahead and do portrait mode. But if you're for hunting photos, then just stay away from it because, because it's not perfect. Maybe down there, down the road, they'll get perfect. But right now that they're far from it.

And so you got stuff that's blurred that you don't want blurred and stuff that's sharp that you would have wanted blurred if it was done right. And another thing that's pretty important, if you are on a hunt by yourself, it's really hard to get good photos of yourself without a tripod. And I am guilty of this myself. I've been out on a hunt. I get the kill and I'm like, oh, great. How am I going to set up my camera without a tripod? If you're stacking rocks. Yeah, you're stacking rocks, hanging it in tree limbs, trying to balance your phone or your camera, whatever you've got. And if you don't have a tripod, you're probably going to have less than optimal photos. And by the way, I'm going to bring this up. The selfie with the animal, it's not going to make the magazine. It depends on how big the animal is. Yeah, I guess that's true. If it's really good, maybe.

But typically it's not as good. It's really hard to take a selfie and get all the tines in the picture. You know, maybe a mountain goat. But, you know, usually it's just it makes things difficult. You know, and if the only thing you have is your cell phone, then a tripod adapter for a cell phone would be nice. And they're really cheap. You can get them at Amazon.com. Another site that we like to use for photography equipment is bnhphoto.com. You can find stuff a little bit cheaper, but they're really good with returns, you know, for an internet site. And we've had really good luck with them. Also, Walmart. Walmart.com is another good place. All that being said, don't look at photography as something that if I don't have the best gear, or if I don't have the best camera out there that I can't take pictures at all. Use what you have. And like we said, take as many photos as you can.

Yeah, great gear is important, and we'd love to have better quality photos. But if you don't have them and you're not going to have them, don't go out there and not take photos because of that. Bad photos are better than no photos. Exactly. But, and one of the reasons I kind of wanted to explain why we talk about, you know, cell phones take great photos when you look at them on your cell phone or you share them on social media. But the difference between print resolution and digital resolution, just a really high-level explanation. Most screens show 72 dots per inch. And that's, you know, if you get really, really close, you can see those little color dots or with a magnifying glass. And there's typically 72 of those in each one square inch. When we print the magazine, there's typically 300 of those dots in every inch.

So, let's say you've got an 8x10 photo that looks awesome at 8x10 on your computer screen. Well, you convert that for print, and you're looking at, you know, a 2 or 3 inch wide photo at full resolution. So, it just, print takes a lot more dots. And so, you just see the flaws a lot more. You see a lot of pixelation. And if you want to test the quality of your photos from your cell phone, you know, take one of your old kill photos, zoom into your face, and a lot of times you'll see your eye is just one pixel. You know, and so you have a square for your eye instead of you've got the whites of your eye and highlights and shadows and things like that. So, that's one thing you want to look at. That's just one of the reasons that even a cheap point-and-shoot model just takes better photos than your cell phone right now.

And we're going to get into some of those, some examples of some of those cameras and give you a couple of options. But first, we'd like to talk about our doll sheep hunt giveaway. Last day will be June 1st. So, if you're listening to this on June 1st, you've got one day left to get in for that. And basically, you join Epic Outdoors, $100 for a year membership, and you will get an automatic entry into our doll sheep hunt giveaway. For full details, I won't go into all of it, but it's truly a hunt of a lifetime type hunt. And just go to our website, epicoutdoors.com, click on one of the first two banners, and you can read the details on that. Really awesome, and the odds on that are going to be phenomenal. Also, one of the most coveted tags that is out there is the stone sheep. We have decided to give away a stone sheep hunt.

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So, give you some ideas, and we'll start on the low end, point-and-shoot low end, and just give you some good options that are better than your cell phone. And my philosophy on cameras is if you're not going to do a lot of research, you're pretty safe staying with the big three, Canon, Sony, and Nikon. There are some other companies that make some great models, but if you don't really want to get into the nitty-gritty, do a lot of research, you can't go wrong, kind of like Ford-Chevy Dodge type deal, you know, really an F-150. It's going to work for you, you know what I mean? Even if you're not a Ford guy, pretty reliable, they've got a track record. We could cause some debate on this subject. I think I'm the only Ford guy in the office, though.

Anyway, but those are the main three. If you, you know, you walk into Target or Walmart and you buy one of those models, you're pretty much not going to go wrong. You're going to have some decent photos. And obviously there's a disclaimer of there are other great brands, but if you're not going to do research, if you don't want to look into it, you're pretty safe with those three. So, point-and-shoot. Point-and-shoot basically means as small and compact as possible. They're not interchangeable lenses, and they're just, they're so small you can put them in your pocket. Sometimes they're just a little bit bigger than a deck of cards, and sometimes, you know, they're quite bigger. But on the low end, your budget of around $100 will get you a good low-end point-and-shoot camera that, like I said, is probably, you know, four times better than your cell phone.

And so, for $100, you're looking usually 16 to 20 megapixels, and you'll usually get, you know, a four to six times zoom on that. And a couple of examples on that end, the Canon PowerShot Elf series have a lot in that range that are really, really solid. And those start like 20 megapixels, and got a sensor size that's like six millimeters, which for just reference, you know, the old 35 millimeter camera, that's, you know, that's about full frame was 35 millimeters. And on this, it's six millimeters. So, there you can see a little bit of difference. It's those really high-end cameras, like Chris shoots, you know, are getting close to that full resolution, which has got the 35 millimeters, and this is six. And a couple of others in that range, look at the Nikon Coolpix cameras, and the Sony DSC series cameras. So, then the next range up, I think, you know, you're looking like 200 to 250.

Then you're typically over that 20 megapixel range. Megapixels is a little bit misleading, but we're just going to use it for now because it kind of gives you a general idea of how big, you know, if you're,

well, typical cell phones right now, even, you know, the good ones are 10 to 12 megapixels max. And we're throwing out sensor size and just looking at megapixels. You've also got smaller sensors on the phones. But the iPhone 10 that I've got, 12 megapixels, and that's on the back camera. So, then if you take a selfie of your animal, you know, you're down to, you know, between 5 and 7 megapixels usually max. A lot of you probably have noticed that. If you use the selfie angle, that camera is significantly lower in quality. And, man, I dealt with that for a while. I thought, why are my pictures that are facing this direction so much worse? And it's because the camera quality is literally not as good as the back camera. Yeah. So, then, and in this range from the 200 to 250, you know, you just go up in features. You get a higher zoom usually.

A lot of the cameras in this range, you know, 25 times zoom is pretty normal. And you'll start to get a couple, like, into the wide angle lenses, which wide angle is anything below a 28 millimeter lens is considered wide angle. I think the sweet spot there, I like wide angle lenses, but you can't go too far or it starts to just distort your pictures like crazy. 24 is about the lowest I think you want to go on that. We did have one story this year that they had an extremely wide angle lens, even I think it was a fisheye lens, and it just distorted everything. So, you start seeing the background look like a bubble. It's warped.

You don't want that. Like, you want a photo that looks natural, and you want to stay away from those super wide angle lenses. And the other thing, oh, digital zoom versus optical zoom. That's a good thing to explain. On your cell phones, typically, you have a digital zoom but not an optical zoom. Optical zoom means the lens actually moves, and it gives you, you know, it gives you a bigger picture. It zooms in, and you have the same megapixels result. Well, a digital one, all it does is blows up your picture. And so, you've got the same number of pixels. They're just all bigger. And so, your detail's not increased. You're just, you know, looking at a smaller portion of your photo. So, one of the things, kind of tied in with that, if you have a cell phone camera or even a point-and-shoot that doesn't have much of an optical zoom,

the thing you want to do is, if you're taking maybe a kill photo, get closer to your subject. Because if we have to zoom in, the quality of the image is gone. That's called a manual zoom when you walk closer. Exactly. Manual zoom, walk closer. If you have, if you are taking cell phone photos, don't stand back 20 feet and take your photos. Get up close. I would say get as close as you can and still have the entire animal in the frame. Maybe even get up close and do some portrait photos, which is vertical. So, turn your phone or your camera vertical and get up as close as possible. And that way, you're going to get as much detail as possible in that photo. And I think we'll probably do another podcast on some tips on actual taking pictures, you know, and get into some more details on that. But one quick one is, don't cut off the tines or the nose when you're taking pictures.

I know Adam's pet peeve is when the noses are cut off. And when we're doing the magazine, he always circles those. Yeah, when we're showcasing the animal, you want to see the whole animal. And at least, at the very least, the nose and the top of the tines, like John's saying. And one of the big reasons is just it draws extra attention to, oh, why is it cut off? You know? It just looks odd. So, keep that in mind when you're taking photos. So, go to the next range up. You're looking at 250 to 500 typically. And in this range, you're getting really a pretty quality camera in the point and shoot. That said, so, yeah, you're usually over 20 megapixels. You've got that wide angle. Some of these cameras, you're looking at 42 times zoom. And that's an optical zoom. So, you can tell. I mean, the difference between that entry level at a 4x zoom and here at 42 or greater is quite different.

A lot of these cameras, too, have Wi-Fi enabled and Bluetooth. So, those are really cool. One of the nice things about your cell phone camera is you're looking at them instantly and you can share them with friends and things like that. Well, this gives you the opportunity to just transfer those wirelessly to your phone so they're just as easy to use. So, that's awesome. Awesome. Also, the video quality goes up in this range. Your low light quality goes way up. And you start getting a little bit larger lenses, which just lets in more light. We've talked about it. It's all about light. And what I give credit to on that is larger sensor size. As you go with a larger sensor, you're letting in more light once again. But with that, price is going to go up and size is going to go up.

So, as you scale up on sensor size, your cameras are going to be bigger, harder to carry, and they're going to cost more. And if you remember how big those 35mm slides are, that's one of the struggles that cell phones are going to have is 35mm is pretty big. So, if you put that on the back of a phone to get that big a sensor, it's going to be pretty big. So, they've got some challenges size-wise on competition with traditional cameras. And I know the new iPhone, their sensor is significantly bigger, and they do a pretty good job. But still, you're very limited because you're trying to stay in that compact frame of a phone. And you're just not able to have that big of a sensor or that big of a lens on something that small. So, a few examples in this range would be the Sony Cybershot DSC-HX80, the PowerShot, which is a Canon, SX420IS. And anyway, those are in that range, 250-ish.

And as we've said before, there are so many options on cameras. I would suggest, as you go out to buy a camera, do your research. I mean, Google search. It's easy. And maybe now's a good time to give... One of my favorite sites on researching cameras is dpreview.com. Just more information than you want. So, if you really want to get into researching it, it compares models, has details, detailed reviews, all that. But for most guys, it's a little bit overkill on that. But if you're really into it, that's a great site. Next, I would say, would be the high-end point-and-shoot cameras, 500 to 800. And offers more manual controls, different type sensors. But I would say, if you're getting into that, especially for hunting, I would personally look at the mirrorless cameras. And there's some new ones and some great advancements with the mirrorless camera.

And just on a high, high level, the difference between a mirrored camera, which is the old traditional, kind of goes after how the film went through your camera. And it had a mirror there. So, when you look through the viewfinder, it was reflecting the light off the mirror, going through the lens. So, you could actually see, you know, what the light was coming into the lens. Then, when you push the shutter down, the mirror rotates and flips up. And it exposes the sensor. And then, you know, the light gets imprinted on the sensor. Now, mirrorless ones bypass that step. And it just goes through and hits the sensor directly. And then, you're looking through, you know, the LCD monitor on the back to see what that's going to be like. But, it takes out a little bit of space. So, some of the benefits of those mirrorless cameras versus your big DSLR cameras are size.

And, one site that really shows that well is Camerasize.com. You can, you know, look at all the sizes of different cameras compared to each other and see what you're getting into. Yeah. And, typically, as you get into these mirrorless cameras and that, you're starting to get into interchangeable lenses. And, those are things you're going to have to carry extra gear, switch out lenses. Just keep that in mind. And, it costs, I think, you're paying as much a lot of times for the lenses as you are for the camera body. Oh, definitely. Yeah. So, like a couple of good examples on the mirrorless series. You've got the Canon M series. They recently released that EOS M100, which has just gotten awesome reviews. And, it's like 450. So, you know, that's not too bad. And, then, you've got lenses on top of that, but you're hitting 24.2 megapixels. The sensor size is 22 millimeters.

So, if you think about, you know, on the really expensive big cameras, you've got 35 millimeter sensors. This is 22. I mean, that's pretty good. Yeah, getting close. Look at the entry level was, you know, 6 millimeters. So, just a lot higher quality. My personal favorite in these is actually from the Sony, and they're the Sony Alpha series. They're such a great camera. And, I would say the high point on those is actually their video. So, keep those in mind. They also take great photos, but they are a little bit more pricey and a little bit tougher to learn. Okay. And, yeah, just some great, great features on that. There's some, if you're looking at the mirrorless, Fujifilm and Panasonic have some great models as well. You know, outside of those top three of Nikon, Canon, Sony. So, look at those as well.

And, then, moving into the really high-end cameras, the DSLR cameras with interchangeable lenses. And, there are the giant cameras to see with all the professional photographers. Use, like Chris.

Hey, that's all I will carry. Yeah. And, actually, if those of you who don't know, Chris takes most of our photos for us that you see on the website. The stuff that just looks awesome, he takes. And, he actually takes a lot of cowboy photography as well. So, you can follow him on Instagram. Go check out some of his cowboy stuff. It's diehardcowboy underscore. Is that right? That's right. So, I know he didn't want me to give him a plug. But, anyway, just see some of his great photography on there. And, a lot of our great photography, Chris has done with his DSLR cameras. So, anyway, if you're going to look into really getting professional photos, and, Chris, what would you suggest? Honestly, you're going to be spending a lot of money. And, if you're going to do that, do your research.

Don't just go out and buy the first camera that you see or that someone recommends. Do your research. There are a lot of DSLR cameras that are entry-level, that are good, that are great starter cameras that you can learn on. And, actually, for a lot of people, if you're not trying to do professional photography, those entry-level DSLRs are great. And, even on the automatic settings, they take really good photos. Yeah. So, don't think you have to have the best thing if you're not out to do professional photography. But, I would recommend, if you're going to look at those higher-end cameras, do your research. Feel free to call me if you want. But, do your research. We won't go into all the models and that here, just because they are endless. But, you're looking two grand, three grand. Oh, yeah. Just for the camera body alone. For the camera body.

Then, you add on a lens for, I mean, $1,500 is nothing. So, you're going to be in it some money. Yeah. To get to that level. And, I think that site that I mentioned before covers that stuff really well as well on the high-end. That's DP Review. Yeah. And, high-end cameras are great. We love when we get photos from high-end cameras from someone who knows how to use that camera. They are awesome. No doubt. But, most guys, a good point-and-shoot camera is going to do you well.

Yeah. So, anyway, we hope that you learned a little bit today.

If you have any questions, like I said, you can call either John or I on cameras. We hope to see a lot more photos in the coming year. And, so, I think the big takeaways today, if you get nothing else out of this, it's, if all you got is your cell phone, shoot pictures anyway. And, yes, we will print your stuff. But, if, you know, at the least, get one of the small point-and-shoot cameras. They're tiny. Throw it in the bottom of your pack, you know, with maybe an extra battery. And, have it there when you kill. And, take some photos with that. Take some photos with your cell phone as well. Can it, you know, interchange a little bit so you got some backups. But, if all you got is your cell phone, that's all right. But, we see a huge difference in the real cameras versus the cell phones. So, to preserve those memories and then, you know, it just makes a better quality story.

If you want to send it to us and get it printed in Epic Outdoors magazine, you know, just take that little bit of extra effort and throw a camera in your pack. So, we'd like to close out here with thanking one of our other sponsors, Hilleberg Tents. If you've listened to us before, you know that I'm a huge fan and rave about their tents and the quality. Go on to Hilleberg.com. Check out the different models they have. They're also phenomenal people that really understand the needs of hunters. So, give them a call. If you, you know, don't know where to start, don't know what to look at, their number is 425-883-0101. Later this summer, we will go into more detail on how to get better photos and a lot with in the field. Photography tips. Also going to do some video tips. So, be looking for that. But, we appreciate you listening today and we'll catch you on the next one.