EP 85: Covering the West with Adam, Jason, and Jeff

Sometimes the cost is significantly less to get those kids building and drawing than it is for us. That was a random draw. There's 10 non-resident tags. A lot of our hunts we're going on are going to be stuff that we're seeing and doing for the first time. Anything to do with Western Big Game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter and Adam Brownson, as well as Jeff John. We're going to let him talk a little bit today, just a little probably. Anyway, he's sitting here at the table with us on, what, a Wednesday morning here in July. New eyes? You got some new eyes. I got new eyes. Jeff's got new eyes. Yesterday afternoon. Another song, new eyes. 20 hours off of LASIK and he's a believer. Oh yeah. That's awesome. I'm sold. No more glasses fogging up and all that on the hunts. No more excuses. No more excuses. There's another way to put it. There you go. Okay. Anyway, yeah, we're coming at you from here in Cedar City. Before we get started, we do want to thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast and other things that we're doing here at Epic.

Of course, they run an ad in the magazine and we also work with them on our YouTube and things like that. So, anyway, thanks to Under Armour. Got a lot of things going. Before we get started, Jeff, I had a guy call and he says, Hey, I've been missing the promo codes. And I'm like, oh yeah, we haven't even been doing them actually. Forgot about it. And so, anyway, throw out a promo code. Let's give something away. Okay. What do we want to do? In recognition of one of your old favorite license plates, let's do Hunt 365. Oh, that was my license plate. Now Mark Thompson's boy's got it. Oh, Scott. Yeah, Scott does have that one, huh? Ticks me off. Give them a plug. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Give them a plug. Thompson Long Range, boys. Cache Valley. I was going to say Logan, but I guess it's technically about Hiram. Yeah. Paradise. What do they call it? What is it? It doesn't matter. Cache Valley, Utah.

Mount Sterling or something? I don't know. All right. It depends on if you're Scott or Mark over there across the valley. But great guys. Thompson Long Range. Great setup. Weatherby Rifles. Give them a call. The time of year to start getting something set up. If you're serious, you've got a tag. You think you want more out of whatever you've got with the rifle? Give Mark and Scott a call. 1-800-584-4079 or ThompsonLongRange.com. Great guys. But anyway, we digress just off the license plate. See, that's how this can turn on a dime. Well, that license plate, it was awesome. I'm like, Hunt 365, that's awesome. And all I had to answer every day was like, what is Hunt 365? How do you? And so I gave it up. And then Scotty picks it up and it's awesome. Makes me want to have it. Yeah, it is kind of funny that it was picked up by somebody we know. I know. You know what I mean? That's pretty cool.

But anyway, that's our promo code. What are we giving away? So Hunt 365 is the promo code. And I don't know. What do you got in there? Give it away. Let's do it. Oh, man. I've got boots. What about a pair? Yeah, let's give a pair of boots. We ought to give away the new, or I don't know how new they've been around for a year, but the Raider boot. Let's give away a Raider. It's the UA Raider. You can look it up online. It looks pretty awesome. I'm picking me up a pair soon here. And yeah, let's give one away. All right. Where do they enter that promo code? Because I don't know. That's on our website. Go to podcast. Yeah, you got to go to our website. Yep. Epicoutdoors.com, probably backslash podcast, backslash email. I don't know. Whatever. So anyway, get on there. The technical guys are not in here. Yeah, we kicked them out. But they'll do that. Go to our Epic Outdoors website.

Go to the podcast page, and you can submit the promo code there, Hunt365. And we'll give them a pair of boots. Well, I got a Mountain Ops hat, and I'm just, I don't know. This box just randomly shows up. Like, people think they're going to get free promos for just the price of powder. A lot of you listeners have hit us up about how we got sponsored by Monster and what it takes to get checks from them. And we'd like to know ourselves. Because we're not sponsored by them, and we have plugged them quite often. They don't reach out to low people. But we are, yeah, small potatoes. Having said that, we appreciate a few of you members that all of a sudden one day, here's a case or two of white monsters show up at the Epic office. From Amazon Prime. Enjoy it, boys. Hey. Well, and how about this? It's pretty nice. How about our little, our table fair here? Yeah. This is peanuts, Cracker Jack.

You know, all that kind of stuff. Thank you, Mike. We appreciate it, man. Mike who? Mike. I don't know. Should we say his last name? Well, Nevada Smith sent the latest Flats a Monster. That was pretty awesome. Yeah, Nevada Smith. I don't know who sent this Mountain Ops stuff, but have you tried it, Adam? I tried it yesterday. Did it ignite you? I think Adam loaded it a little heavy. Well, when it came, the day it came, I had already had a white monster. And that's what I think really worked. I don't think this stuff worked. I had a white monster, and I just said, all right, I'll try it. We were going to do a podcast two days ago, this podcast. So basically you double-fisted. Oh, yeah.

Some energy drinks. Have you ever been somewhere where you can hear your heart beating? Like just sitting on the mountain after you get done hiking, you sit down, you can hear it cranking. I heard that sitting at my desk calmly the other day. So I don't – I'm not going to throw either one of those companies under the bus, but it was just a – it was a cocktail probably not made for the heart. I'm doing this. I'm doing the tiger's blood. I'm doing the tiger's blood. But it was – I felt like I could do anything that day. I could try out for the Las Vegas Raiders football team. I felt like I could do anything. Well, I hear that these supplements don't have to be FDA approved, which makes me nervous. But, hey, Monster cannot be FDA approved. No, it's not. No way. There's no chance. Anything that can be used as starting fluid and probably – Carb cleaner starting fluid combo.

Probably not good for you. But anyway, we digress. So today we just thought we would talk a little bit about our year and not from a, hey, listen to all the tags we got this year, guys. We're going to crush it. It's from a perspective of some of us, all of us here, have kids in the game. We've talked about that quite often. The last few years we've taken our kids on hunts. So collectively – Too many hunts. Too many hunts. Spoiled, spoiled, spoiled kids. Collectively from our own hunts and what they've drawn now that we're applying our kids that are 12 to 17, we got a lot on the table. And not all of them are once-in-lifetime tags, which, by the way, congratulations, Jason. Yes, Jason. Yeah, how about that? 22 years and we got desert sheep number two coming home to the Carter family this year. Yeah, it'll be my second desert, you know, if we kill one. Of course, it got it.

Oh, that's right. I guess I'm assuming a little – we're getting ahead of ourselves. But you drew an Arizona tag. Yeah, drew an Arizona tag. Went and applied. My first choice was 28. Second choice was a 16A South, 18B. Kind of under-the-radar type unit, but the last two years they've killed 170-inch rams on the one tag they gave. New non-resident eligible unit this year because they bumped it to two tags. Yep. So threw in for that one. It's a lot of unknowns there, but – Have you ever been on the unit? Have you been? No. No. This is going to be new. You just looked at the odds, spread them out on the table and say, ah, throw a dart. And when I looked at the map, there's a place called Baghdad on the edge of half makes me nervous because I have no interest in going to Baghdad. But December 1st, actually probably a week before that, we know where we're all going to be.

It's going to be a party in the desert. Get Thanksgiving done. So anybody that wants to come on out and look for a big old desert sheep, we're going to hunt for a giant. But anyway – It's going to be a party in the desert. Show up in Baghdad around Thanksgiving. See what your wife has to say about that. Ask her if she could have Thanksgiving there this year and see how that goes. So we had to talk about that. Go sheep hunting. That's right. Well, that's the thing. That was a random draw. There's 10 non-resident tags, just truly a random draw, even though I had a lot of points and I did have more names in the hat. To get a random draw, it could have been any of my family. It could be anybody. Yeah. We apply. Adam, speaking of that, I think we know of four of the 10 non-resident tags that have drawn. Yeah, we did. Two others in our office. Three of us.

Three in our office meeting, our clients. Epic Outdoors clients, yeah. Yeah, three. License application clients. 33% just come out of Epic Outdoors people. Just license applications. You know, we've got some cool stories. Kind of had that same situation in Idaho, too. Cool story. We'll probably crush Jason or Am, and we've got one of our clients. We're actually going to guide him down there. We'll just jump over to the neighboring unit. 79-year-old gentleman drew a desert sheep tag to finish his Grand Slam. You would have thought he was on like night. That is awesome. You would have thought. He was on Easter. You would have thought he double-fisted the whole Adam double-fisted. Yeah. He called me at 6 o'clock the morning because I left him a message the night and said, hey, it happened. You know, you're gone. You drew. The wait is over.

He's on the East Coast, and that next morning at 6, my phone woke up. My alarm was set for 6.30, so I didn't get to hear that. And he was yelling on the phone at 6 o'clock, 8 o'clock Eastern in his defense, and fired up. He told me that day, he reminded me, I guess, maybe I knew, but 52 years. He killed his doll sheep in 1966. Wow. Oh, my gosh. 52 years ago. So from start to finish, 52 years. He's one of the most unlucky people. Yeah. He had one under max is what he had. So he still even got lucky. Drew a tag. And too hard of a, just an experience. You just couldn't say, you know, all right, good luck. Send you elsewhere. We're going to go help him out on a stunt and kill him a great ram. He said, Adam, I have been working with you for years. And so how do you, so we'll get all the licenses and ready to go, and I guess we'll be, jump over there as soon as they're done with Jason.

So be fun. It'll be awesome. Can't wait. So anyway, yeah, this podcast is just kind of, you know, we're going to talk about that from our perspective of where we're going to be this fall and how that translates and what that means for members of Epic Outdoors. Because really a lot of our hunts we're going on are going to be stuff that we're seeing and doing for the first time, which just goes into our knowledge bank, which helps us to write the magazine, consult. Next year passes that on to members. We get a lot of people that say, you guys are so lucky you just get to hunt and goof around and do all that. How would that be? Well, quit your job, which we've done a couple times in our lives. Or we've been fired. Yep, that's right. So quit your job and say, I'm going to go do my own thing now and make something of it. Because that's literally how we've done it.

And I'm not saying that in a boastful way. I'm just saying I have people all the time that tell me, how would it be just to hunt and fish and guide? Change your priority scale. Don't get paid to wet a line. That's right. Yeah. And they don't see how much time and work and effort goes into it, nor do they see how much. Really, I don't have anything else. We joke a lot. Even though Jason bought a boat, he's got another hobby now. Yeah, he does. We don't have a sad thing about it is I've had 100 people hit me like boats. Now, I remember on a podcast you saying that there's no other hobbies. And by the way, you don't have a boat. And that's why you kill big deer. And so everybody knows I'm just going to fall flat on my face. And I probably am. Because I got to tell you, it is pretty fun. And the kids love it. That's awesome. So anyway. Well, and you got a limited amount with those boys.

I mean, you got to. Oh, yeah. No, I know. My kids, I'm watching them leave the house. And that's pretty much why I did it. When Jan and I have been waiting to get a boat, just waiting to bring them back into the fold. You know, knowing that they're leaving. I got a 17 and a half that's going on 28, thinks he's going to set the world on fire. And then I got a 16-year-old that's ready to kill every cow in the world. And doesn't, you know, they're leaving the house. I'm seeing the end. They're getting independent. Yeah, they're. Adam, you've had a kid. I mean, you see. My oldest is in college, a senior here at college. And the other two are coming right behind him. So, and Jeff, yours are getting the 12 to 15. They're kind of getting to that age. So, anyway. We're digressing once again. Nevertheless, the boat is going to be used to find big deer.

And I got in at 4.30 in the morning running trail cameras because we have a boat. We're doing them all night long, all day long, all night long, and then go boating. How well does the BTX work from the dock of the boat? I mean, how does that, is it smooth enough to keep the BTX going? I'll tell you. I'm going to tell you soon enough. I'm going to tell you soon enough. Right now, I'm just scouting out good areas. There you go. From a kneeboard. But, anyway, we thought we'd run down, yeah, everything that we got. You know, I think we did. Well, I think you started it, Adam, with us going into new units. And one of those being Unit 22 in Colorado. Yeah. Go give that a shot this year. One of the most talked about units. And yet, we have never hunted it. And we've hunted, I don't know, 20 or 30 different units in Colorado.

Yeah, so there's another new one that we'll get some experience in the office, a couple of us perhaps.

So, where else? I mean, there's Colorado. Your kid's got some tags. I think one of them is going to keep them. A couple of them you're probably going to turn back because. I already turned them back. I need the cash. Well, I drew an $1,800 sheep hunt. You think about that. It is expensive. That is a lot of money. It's a lot, but it's kind of cheap compared to New Mexico. But you look at it and you're like, okay, 30 of those is a normal man's wage. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's getting expensive. Yeah. Well, and when we start applying, like a lot of us, we start applying in January, February, and you just start throwing crap out everywhere. Yeah. Applications. And for our kids, we can't be as stringent on them on trophy only because they just need to go hunting or else, you know, they need to be, they need to have some experience.

Well, and you can be a little more aggressive because sometimes the cost is significantly less to get those kids building and drawing than it is for us. So, you get Arizona, you get, you know, Utah Generals. We live here. They can get that. But then you get some second choice Colorados. But then Jason's kid, they drew some New Mexico. They drew Nevada. They drew Wyoming. So, pretty soon they're like, okay, we're turning back to Colorado second choice tags. You just get rid of the things that really aren't as high a priority what they already have on the table because we got some great hunts. I think we added it up. Let's list the states. Arizona, we'll be there both for sheep. So, tell me about this deer tag. Yeah. Speaking of Arizona. My kid. Ty. Three points. He's a lucky kid. He's a lucky kid. For two years, really, he drew one of the best late season coos tags in Arizona. This year.

This year. And last year, he drew an awesome mule deer tag up in Idaho. That's right. So, three points. First draw. Yeah, he drew that one. Well, that's his second deer tag this year. Yeah, he's got a Henry Mountains muzzleloader deer tag for the management buck. So, he's just like, Dad, no problem. I want to kill a 38-inch 3x8. Yeah, that's all he said. He sees bucks. Coke can math. Do you know a good guy, Dad? And I tell him, I says, yeah, save your lawn mule. I've already called the biologist. By the way, my truck needs to be cleaned again. That's right. So, we'll be down there in Arizona quite a bit in December. And it'll be fun. Kill 110-inch or maybe. Hopefully. Yeah. Have a great time there. So, we're going to crush that. New Mexico. That'll be right after we kill two desert sheep. In fact, I don't even know if we're going to be in the office in December.

Which is kind of scary because December's a little busy. Yeah. You're going to be in the office. We're going to get that January magazine. I've got to be in the office. I'll be in the office. We're going to get that January magazine done. Well in advance. And add the changes that we need to as regs get finalized for Wyoming and Arizona. We just keep digressing. But it is our podcast. We can go wherever we want with it. New Mexico. We've got some elk and deer in New Mexico. And the thing's on fire. I don't know if there's ever been a worse drought since. Well, there's a lot of rain coming through right now. We just hope. Yeah. Hope that it's hitting the right places. Yeah. So, it's just washing the stunted velvet. The dust off the stunted velvet. For all intents and purposes, there's seven eights built. That's what they are. They're mostly there.

And people are having a hard time finding six points. Yeah. So, then we go to Utah. We're going to crush the heck out of this state. For mainly deer, I don't think anybody else. No, Jeff. Your dad right now. I think he drew a sheep tag. Yep. Depending on what we find there. One of the best Rocky Mountain sheep tags in the state. Oh. Yeah. Adam will be guiding a client in there. Bunch of sheep hunters in Utah ourselves. And, like I said, kids tags. All of our general tags. Antelope tags. My kids drew an antelope out here. Right behind the house. That's right. Second or third best unit in the state. That's right. I told him. I'm like, look, kid. You're driving all over the heck doing whatever the heck you want. Why don't you freaking. Go scout. Yeah. Go scout. Go get some cameras up. He's like, oh, yeah. I guess I could, Dad. I guess I could. Anyway. Ordered him the maps. Yeah.

Colorado will be hitting that. Several of us for deer. I don't think we have any other species other than that. Colorado this year.

Wyoming. We've got some antelope tags in the office. And elk tags. Jason's one of your boys. Yeah. And one of your boys, Jeff, drew antelope. Antelope. Yep. Jeff or Jason, your boy drew an elk tag. Yeah. Unit 40 up in the Bighorns. You know, the more I learn about it, the more I'm hearing the word 350, which I don't know. But Colton would be ecstatic. First bull, right? With any nice bull. Yeah. He'd be a first elk. I mean, Sean's killed an elk down in New Mexico on the youth hunt in Unit 15, you know, a few years back. But for Colton, this will be his first bull. So. But he's a picky sucker. He wouldn't even shoot a 28-inch three-by. Last year. On the general Utah. Super heavy. General Utah. I'm like, Colton, that's a great buck. Old buck. Big old buck. Yeah. He's like, there's an eight-an-hung. It's a three. Four points. I'm like, yeah, he's got an eye guard. He's fine.

And you're like, I'd like you to kill a deer just to get him out of the gene pool because that buck's winning. He didn't kill a buck. I'm like, just tell me how many days you've scouted. Just tell me how many days you've scouted because that kind of goes in. That's true. Kind of justifies pass and stuff if you work, you know. But if you haven't scouted. And if you've got better bucks already worked over. Yeah. It's hard to pass on that. Yep. So, anyway, where does that bring us? I guess after we leave Wyoming, Montana, Jeff. I think that's nine states. I didn't count Montana early. We're going to be hunting nine states this year. Montana, general elk. Moving to Idaho, where a lot of us are going to be hunting deer, either on the general. A couple of controlled hunts for some of our kids and all that. You know, moderate controlled hunts. None of us got lucky in the late stuff.

My kids drew up. Guaranteed Ashley will be killing her first deer up there. That's right. Jason's 11. 11-year-old daughter. Yep, she just got hunter ed and bought her own tackle box yesterday with all her own tackle stuff. For fishing? She's for fishing. Well, so, Jana, when I'm running cameras or in the office, she takes them to Lake on the Hill. And she just, Justin, just hoards all the tackle box and just gets on her. Ashley, what do you do? Just getting another snack. And she's done with it. Losing lures. She's done with it. I'm building my own stuff. With her own money. Her own money. She goes out, buys a tackle box and all the stuff to go in it. I mean, she's got 14. So, big brother, be quiet. I'm fishing on my own. Dude, she is awesome. She's going to make somebody an awesome wife, but they've got to pass the test. I don't know if it's going to happen. That's right.

We've all got daughters, and that's about to stop here. Here's the deal. You're running all your boyfriends and your future husband by me. You understand that, right? Yes, Dad. We'll see. Anyway. That'll be awesome. That'll be awesome. Idaho is a great state. They changed the hunting age a couple years ago to 10. Yep. So, allowed her to, she couldn't hunt in Utah this year. So, that's fun. Guaranteed a tag up there. Anybody that wants to do that can do that, obviously, get a general tag. This was a pretty, you know, an unlimited draw tag. Yep. My kids drew a couple antelope tags up there. So, I mean. Hilarious story behind this. So, everybody knows how we feel about antelope, and we love them. They're just kind of an afterthought. We just want to hunt them one day a year, not two. And so, back when we were applying, we're like, we do deer and elk up there, because

if you're buying the hunting license, you're going to do deer and elk. Or if you did sheep, you're obviously sitting it out. But we were talking about antelope one day, and it was, I think, about the time Jeff was applying in Wyoming, and I'm like, I think I'm going to sit out Wyoming. And I said, I'm not going to put my kids in individually in Idaho, because I don't have time to drive up there for a three-hour hunt, hopefully, shooting antelope to drive home. That's what you said. So, I'm putting my two kids in as a group. I'll go for a pair. I'll go for two. I'll hunt for five hours. And, well. They drew a group out of a unit with 50 tags. They drew two. It's hilarious. They could go to non-rest. It's hilarious. It'll be fun. We'll make a quick three-day trip up there sometime late September, early October. That'll be a fun one.

New unit that we've never, none of us, I don't think we've ever run an antelope up there. Not that I think I'm cool for doing that. No, but it's kind of fun. It's new for us here. And my kids. I mean, it's a lot of fun. I mean, my daughter, she's funny, because my boy's drawn a couple hard-to-get tags this year. And that Arizona tag, we had a charge on the card, like Jason with a sheep. And for four or five days, it was like, who is this? Oh, and she's thinking it's her, because, well, Ty's burned his luck this year. No, she was bummed, because she just said, I know it's him, because he's the lucky one. You really putting that ignite in there? I'm going to try. Okay. So keep going. And process of elimination. It's not me. It's not my wife. It's not my oldest daughter. All right. It's down to you, too. And then I looked her up, because I'm like, I don't want her to be last.

So I looked her up. No, was not her. And I'm like, oh, crap. So she's mad. She storms out of the room. And my boy's at scout camp, so he's not even there to be around it. And he didn't draw his first choice, which was a late mule deer hunt, which was hopeful. You know, everybody had awesome late mule deer hunts. I had one coos hunt on all. Out of 10 choices, we had one coos hunt. And they were all going to be late mule deer. But anyway, long story short, she's happy now. And she says, well, yeah, see, but I had to ply with him to get drawn, because he's the lucky one. Oh, you're not going to win no matter what. But anyway, it'll be fun. So Ty's got three great hunts. Good hunts. Yeah, he does. He really does. Lucky little bugger. And going back to what Jason was saying, what were we doing? We were hunting rabbits when we were 13. Dude. We couldn't hunt. That's true.

I couldn't hunt until I was 16, right? Yeah. The age limit. Changed the year when we could hunt, I remember. And I had to wait. 14 to 15. 15. Yes. It was 16. It went to 14. What is now considered the book cliffs was general up the Green River. I went up into there. That's where I killed my first buck. Yeah. It changed. After about 14 or 15 rounds. Yeah. That's one of those. That's kid hunts right there. Oh, dude. It was a 308. My mom's 308 that was sawed off with a magna port on the end. And who know? That thing was probably moving at 2,100 feet a second. I don't know. You probably run faster than this thing. Muzzle loader shoot faster than that now. That's right. So anyway. But it was back to that. I say that to you. Our kids are spoiled. And of course, we love our kids. And we're not. We're joking because of, you know, we're applying them because we've been building points.

And it's another name in the hat. And some of these states have great youth opportunities. Some just give youth a break on the price. But honestly, some of our best tags in this office this year are all of our kids' tags. That moves us from Idaho down to Nevada. Speaking to that, Jason, one of your boys has a late season deer tag. The late season in 121. And that's another unit that's been coming on. We've heard a lot more about it and hearing about 30-inch bucks and seeing them, seeing the kill pictures and whatnot. And so anyway, you know, threw them in for that. And sure enough. Predictably can't predict anything in Nevada and drawing. And, you know, he couldn't have had more than four or five points. No. No. No. No. I plugged, you know, Sean in with – because Colton had, remember, elk in Wyoming. Oh, yeah. Deer in Utah. Antelope in Utah. Antelope in Utah.

So he's got like a full plate. And so I – You just did late hunts for him. Yeah, I played him late and I just did him by himself. Jana had more points, so she kind of boosted Sean. Sean draws the same unit but an earlier season. Yeah. So anyway – And then your own tags over there. So it's like Nevada is owning you right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it did until 4.30 in the morning. I'm still getting my butt kicked. With a deadline in three weeks when you've got to have trail cameras back home in Utah and all that with that new trail camera law that they got there. So you're doing what we can for a few more weeks. And then where does that put us? Alaska. Jeff, we're heading up – you're heading up there for caribou, you and your dad and brother. Yeah. Getting excited. On a self-guided option hunt. You've got to put a lot of time and work into that, research in that.

Something that Jason and I have talked about and I regret now because quotas have changed. We've been able to shoot two caribou to one now. In some places, they've closed down for non-residents. But anyway, that'll be fun. You're going up there at what time frame? Oh, going up on the 11th. Hunt opens the 12th. Does your wife know? I hope she does. Yeah, she bought the plane ticket for us. Did you finish the basement and finish the yard? Oh, no. Oh, no. But I keep working on it. How's this going to shake out of the job? If you keep working on it, it just makes it seem like you're really putting forth a great effort. You know, hopefully she's – Hey, I saw you had the drywall in the basement. She can't complain too loud. Yeah, we're chipping away at it. It's hard when you're trying to do a bunch yourself. It's idiotic of me, I know. But, you know, that's the way we roll.

So, self-guided caribou. You're going to go up there. You're driving. You're dead. Okay, so – You need to take oil and a filter with you. Halfway. Stop. We're stripping my truck down. Stripping my truck all the way down. Take an extra set of injectors because your truck's not the newest truck on the road. Yeah. 2011, it's got 175 miles. Heavy, heavy tow miles. And it's only seven years old? Oh, yeah, dude. Well, when we were driving around doing the work we were doing, it was pretty intense. So, put a lot of miles on. So, anyway, stripping it down, loading it down with gear. Hooking on a trailer. Dad's driving up with my mom. They're going up there. They're going to fish for a couple days. Fish for two, three days. Put my mom on a plane, flying her home. Me and my brother are flying in. And then we hunt. That sounds like the easy route. That sounds like what – Yeah, Dad, you do that.

Take all my gear so I have every gear. I don't have to keep it to 50 pounds. Yes, I don't have to keep it to 50 pounds. I don't have to worry about stuffing it in. Worrying about extra bags getting lost. Speaking of which, Alaska Airlines gives Alaska residents unlimited luggage. Wait, what? So, when I went on my bear hunt, unlimited and no weight restrictions. So, she goes, well, you're an Alaska resident, right? And I'm like, well, I'm going to be up here long enough. I'm sure trying. And she's like, okay, free pass. Dude, no luggage fees. No luggage fees. When you went on your bear hunt. Yeah. And I'm like – Wait. So, she's like – And I'm like, so you're telling me I could have unlimited luggage and no weight restrictions? She goes, yeah, it's a little perk for residents. So, you could load up coolers full of fish. Oh, yeah. I said that. I said that. She's like, oh, yeah, absolutely.

But you've got to be a resident. But they don't ask for proof, you know. And I was like – I was just teasing with her. And she knew I was teasing with her. And she was just feeling good that day and just gave me a little free pass. Oh, my goodness. So, nevertheless. Jeff's flying up. And – Yeah. So, I'm flying up. Me and my brother are flying up. Then we get up there. We hunt. We're going to be hunting the 40-mile herd, running around between a couple different places. Flying into Fairbanks, you and your brother. Flying into Fairbanks, yep. And then we will load up. My dad – we're going to throw my dad on a plane. He's going to fly back so he can get back to work. And me and my brother will drive down. I did not know that twist. That's – never mind. I don't want to sign up for that deal. Yeah, but at least I've got somebody else driving with me so we can split it.

I don't want to drive either leg of that trip. No. I know. Well, you've got to – you know, it's not so bad if you're just flying back and forth. But, you know, once you're going into Canada, well, now you've got to have a visa. You've got to worry about all that stuff. Customs and different stuff like that. Meat, deboned plates and skulls boiled off and whatever you've got to do there. Yep. Well, and BC is beautiful. Drive down through BC, the top part of it down in through Alberta. Yes. It's an incredible country. And I'll be up there hunting sheep here in less than 30 days. Starting this whole thing off with a sheep hunt. You bet. Starting and ending with a sheep hunt. That's right. August, we'll be hunting sheep. Wow. Actually, we'll be down hunting in Nevada here in about a few weeks. We've got one of the statewide hunters. We'll be down having fun there.

Then we'll go hunt doll sheep in Alaska and then come home and the whole world will open up. There'll be bucks dying left and right. Nevada and Utah will be on fire. You won't be able to keep up on Instagram. That's right. Velvet hitting the dirt everywhere. So the grip and grins will be out in full force. Well, some people don't like grip and grins, but we do. Yeah, we hear that. We're still a proponent. I mean. Of enjoying the hunt? Yeah. Of enjoying the hunt. Absolutely. Show that you enjoy and not be embarrassed. Absolutely. All right. So where does that bring us out? I know we're forgetting some things. I need a map of the western U.S. That's nine states we just covered, Jason. Is it? Yeah. Okay. But I mean, we could have. Long story short, I did turn back. I don't think we covered every tag we had. We didn't do that.

We kind of lost over a few of the states where we know we're going to have multiples like Colorado deer. But a lot of this is just to kind of give people some ideas. Like there's a lot you can do. There's a lot you can do. And I even turned back some. I had 35 muzzle. Me and my kid, Sean, and another buddy of ours is going to go ahead and keep after it. But yeah, just like, you know, and get a refund because when you draw your second, you'll still get a point. So I can get a refund for that. But that was just worst case scenario. No tags fall in your favor. You got something. I got something to fall back on and it's got the right genetics. Well, and you know, this may seem like an over the top year and we're not. This isn't. Seems like every year. It's every year is like this. Don't tell my wife that. I know. Because they're all once in a life.

Every year I tell my wife, I'm going to back off a little bit, maybe take a few less hunters, sheep hunters, whatever. And next year you got one or two. Well, then they grow grocery shopping and you're like, no, I need to take another hunter. Yeah. Jeff's finishing a basement. It's like, oh, geez. Yeah. We need to figure out how to make a little more money at this. Plumb another house. Yeah. Maybe ask Adam and Jason for a raise. Yeah.

Oh, man. But yeah, it's mainly just to give you perspective of how serious we take our job. Yeah, we're having fun doing it. It is work at times. It's a grind at times. I'm not trying to ask for pity, but I'm just saying, sometimes we're going to units we know nothing about and we're like, all right, after that hunt, we don't want to go back. But we've learned it. We can help cut to the chase. I mean, I consoled to somebody yesterday. Jason gave me the call because I've been to this New Mexico unit 15 plus years ago. And I started talking to this guy and he started talking about camping. And I told him where I was going to camp. And he goes, that's interesting. That's the exact lake I was looking at camping at. And I'm like, well, it's great. You know, fishing's good. And, you know, if you're going to take courses, you got water, blah, blah, blah.

But anyway, something I have done 15 years ago, a guy calls you and says, you're the first person I've been able to actually talk to that actually been in this unit. And I'm like, well, you got lucky because you could have picked unit X and it could have been nobody. But this stuff we're talking about here in this podcast is another layer. There's another year behind us that we can now consult our members on next year, right about in the magazine from a first person. We're not regurgitating stuff off of state websites and putting in our magazines. I mean, we glean from that. But a lot of what we're taking is firsthand, our very close secondhand when we're talking to friends, members, things like that, hunting it. And so I want to just impress upon that on everybody's minds that what we do is for our business, Epic Outdoors, to be a resource of helping you get tags.

We're not just this application game and this reading and stats and odds is not just, hey, throw stuff out there and have fun applying for stuff. There's goals to it and that's to get tags and to go hunting. Yeah. Because if you don't do that very often, it gets frustrating to keep going. People throw in the towel. Look how many new tags, think how many new units, new units. These are not ones we've been to before. How many new units we will, just us three here. I get a charge out of learning new stuff. I'm going to be heading down to Vegas to find some big deer just, you know, just because I want it. Like I got a buddy that drew, I'm going to go down there and learn it and crush it. In fact, maybe this weekend. So anyway, just we'll see what comes of it. You know, it's just, I just love doing it.

But speaking of that, if you don't have a tag, you might get on the hickoryahunt.com webpage. They've got some leftover, I call them leftover, unspoken four elk tags that are awesome. And a lot of it is just because a hickory is known for big deer and pricey big deer. So people just don't have it in their minds that it's, that they also have some big bulls. So go to hickoryahunt.com. I had the biologist on a podcast earlier. You guys have probably listened to it. He was an awesome guy. His name is Kyle Tater. Super good guy. And I thought he did well. You know, they have 85% kill rates on their archery hunts. Unbelievable. I mean, kill rates. On archery. That's the, that's keeping it. Archery. Archery. Archery. And you know what's funny is. Solid bulls. Yeah. Like 330 type bulls. And you know what's funny is my kid drew the 2B side for deer.

Has the, like, over 50% kill rates for youth archery deer. Youth. Archery. And I'm like, so, hard to believe, right? So I'm like, all right, let's go do it. We went and did it. And it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It makes our hunting here look stupid. So, go to hickoryahunt.com. You can also visit with Kyle. He'd be happy to visit with you. His direct line. I'm throwing it out there on the air. 575-759-3255. Why don't you spell hickoryah? It's a different sounding reservation. Hickoryah would be J-I-C-A-R-I-L-L-A hunt.com. And then, anyway, first come, first serve. I've had a few guys hit me up. Want to know a little more about it. $7,000 tag, if I remember right. And then a day guide fee. That aren't super expensive. Yeah. Yeah, cheap. I don't know about cheap, but very affordable. I mean, you're under $10,000 for a great elk hunt. $330,000 plus bulls. Yeah.

So, anyway, if anybody's out there looking for an elk hunt, why have at it. It's also the time of year. We're all looking at updating gear, filling gaps in gear, replacing gear that got worn out. Whether it be, you know, it doesn't matter. One of our great sponsors, QU, has been with us from the start. We've known Jason and his crew, Jason Harrison, that is, from the start, from the inception. Appreciate their support of ours. In fact, I was on their website last night, filling in a couple more gaps of things that I thought. I got a few new pairs of their socks and things like that ordered. I'd already picked up a few other things, including the Attack Pro Pant, which is their new pant for 2018. I picked up a pair of that here a few months ago when those came out. It's just a few modifications to that.

A little bit less pick-resistant on the, still got the Toria fabric, a little bit pick-resistant. It's got some, you know, foam line knee pads, which I'm going to use on my sheep hunt up north. I just know when you're up there and there is hardly any vegetation to sit on, you're kneeling and sitting on that shell rock all the time on a sheep hunt up there. I think they'll come in handy. So, check them out. They've got a full lineup of gear, packs, everything like that. They've got sheep lists on their website or they've got, you know, deer lists or, you know, picks and things like that, whether you're doing archery elk, whether you're doing sheep or anything like that. I encourage you to check out QUKU.com for all your gear needs or pack needs or whatever. Do you think they have a cleaning service? What do you got? What's dirty, Jeff? That backpack I bought like two months ago.

Yeah, Jeff, he put his backpack through. It's trashed. He was hauling bear bait in his 72 model, right? Oh, yes. And it was awesome. You told me. Why don't you come to daddy? I'd have got you an old model or something, something that you could have. That's what I probably, but I was like, I know I'm going to be using it this fall. I just want to be tuned up with it. I want to make sure it's comfortable. And you love the fit. It was a, dude, it is a very, very comfortable pack. Very comfortable. But it got dirty. It smells now. Oh, like molasses. Bear bait. Grease. Grease. Grease. You're a walking bait stand. Dog. Dog food. You're going to be sighted. Well, now I'm going to Alaska with grizzlies and I've got a backpack that smells like death. Oh, yeah. Death. Death. Bait station. Yeah, you need to take that to the pressure washer and put that through a test. Yeah, it's gone. It's gone.

It needs some love. You're going to need to get out the brush. The foaming brush. The pink foam. Is there a degreaser? I'm going to use the tire degreaser. Yeah, I would. Might take off the durable water repellent coating on there a little bit. Hey, speaking of which, you did kill a bear. I did kill a bear. Made us proud. Right down to the end, smashed one. Well, okay. On film. So I'm heading on my family vacation. I know it's going to take the last four days of the hunt or whatever, right? It was surprising. Going on a family vacation, we hear from him and he's down here still. And his family went on the vacation. I've got a boar. I finally got a nice boar. I mean, I've just been working my guts out trying to find one. Feeding bears like I can't believe how much they can eat. A bear can eat. Some serious dog food. Oh, yeah.

Well, you know, it felt like you were going out doing your chores feeding calves when you were a kid. You know what I mean? And you're just feeding. You're throwing stuff out that's gone in eight hours. It's gone. And like I take 100 pounds of food. Remember when we were kids eating? We ate a little bit of dog food here and there. It tasted good. None of us did. I do remember that. Maybe that's what boosted our immune system at an early age. That's impressive. Okay, keep going. Oh, dude, you haven't? Never. Oh, shit. When you're a kid, you try about anything. Kibbles and bits? Come on, Jeff. Jeff, trust me. You ate dirt. You ate dog food. I promise. I might have. We are about six to eight years or ten. I don't know. Years older than Jeff. So maybe the dog food is better. His dog food days are coming.

Especially after his wife hears that he's got all these tags. All right. Keep going. That's probably true. It would be in the dog house eating dog food. Hey, we had a dog food principle. Wait, what? That's for another podcast. Okay. Yeah, so anyway, just leaving on. We were supposed to be leaving on family vacation. I sent my wife. I just said, okay, I got a bear coming in. It's coming in the last two days of this time. Honey, take our 14 kids and enjoy your vacation. Yes. Go, and I'll catch up to you. I'm going to provide for the family. And anyway, went there. I thought I was going to kill a bear real quick and easy. Days later. Not days, but hours and hours later. Yeah. Yeah. Finally, the last night. I'm already a day and a half late getting out. I just smoked a bear. I was like, it was 9 o'clock at night. I'm like, I'm done. Was it that ear tag, Sal? No.

No, there's a whole different bait station from that one. Yeah, you can have two of them. It seems like it was a good boar, right? Yeah. No. It was not the boar I was after. Jeff, you don't have to say, be honest on this. This is transparency. It was not the bear I was after. We're keeping it real like Dr. Phil. I came up. I sat down. And I'm like, I'm killing. I'm killing a bear. I'm not leaving here until I kill a bear. Well, you went without water. You were so confident you were going to kill one within 30 minutes. I was like, I'm crushing this thing. I know exactly. I'm watching on camera. I'll be back to the truck by dark. I'll be back by noon. Because the bear was coming in in the morning. So Jeff doesn't take water or nothing. I didn't take water. Worst case scenario, you can eat part of the dog food. I'm like, I'm leaving at noon. I'm going to kill this bear. Leave at noon.

Get up there. You know, everything's played out in my mind. This is how it's going to work. And 9 o'clock that night, I'm still sitting there. 90 degrees. Oh. And it's not like you can get up and move around. It's in this thick trees. I got a little lane, 75 yards-ish, down this little lane to the bait station. I can't move. Sun comes up, you're still sitting there. Baking. All day long. Baking. You can't move. You can't go anywhere else. Angie's texting you, hey, it'd be really nice to have some help with this baby diaper. Didn't have service. How convenient.

Note to self, always hunt where there's no self service. Yeah. Yeah, until now these new in-reaches and whatnot. All right. Keep going. Keep going. I told myself, I'm not leaving until I kill a bear. Well, I had a bear come in that was chasing on. There was a couple bears coming in. One bear was chasing everything else off. I'm like, you're dead. Dumped him. I was done. Done. Done. Good bear, though. It was a big old sow. Pretty, pretty. Yeah. I'll tell you. Now, I'm pretty comfortable by myself, hunting by myself. I'm always hunting by myself. When you're sitting there chopping up a bear at a bait station where the- And it's pitch black now. You know there's six other bears- This is transparency. That are hitting that bait station. Yeah. Every- And they can smell that old broad carcass that you're skinning right there. And I want her. I want to eat her.

You can hear the twigs breaking around you. And you're just like, breathing. I got to get out of here. That was a fast skin job. Did you use your new Outdoor Edge knife? Oh, crushed it. Did you? Oh, yeah. Speaking of which, we have partnered with Outdoor Edge. We've got some new Epic Series knives. Of course, we've got a whole office full of them. Did you finish there on one knife? One blade? Yeah, I actually did. Awesome. I wasn't going to take time to stop and change blades. You didn't want to fumble in your pack for something. I'm going to- You were scared shizeless. I didn't have a flashlight. What? How do you skid a bear in the barrel phone? I was sitting there in the light. I took my headlamp off. And I had it from the night before. I had it sitting on my dash. And I'm like, I'm out of here, my dude. Oh, my gosh. I'm an idiot, dude. I left it sitting there. I go out.

I crush this thing. It's dark. There's shiz breaking. And luckily, there was a decent moon. And I was just chopping. I had that thing chopped up and back to the truck. You've got a surgical steel blade, razor-sharp blade, in the dark, hurrying as branches and jaws are popping around. You're stinning a bear. Sounds safe. Are they going to get eight or bread? That podcast.

Dude, that podcast with Whitaker? That one you did with him? Oh, yeah. About him cutting his leg? Yeah. That came to my mind. Yeah. Dude, I was peeling off the hoof. Or the foot. The foot. Paw. Paw. Paw. I take it off. And I'm like, oh, man. That could have gone. I need to slow down a little bit. A, I'm dehydrated. Yeah. B, I'm sunbeet. I was a little delirious. I'm bleached. I mean, I'll be honest. I probably was. Oh. Well, all's well that ends well. That's a cool story. That was the best thing about it. Oh, she went down. Right down. Oh, my God. And I watched, you know, so many videos of people killing them and running off and they're tracking. No, she didn't do that. And I'm like, I have to be gone the next day, which means I'm going back to the truck, finding a headlight, tracking blood all night until I find it, you know.

So anybody that needs an Outdoor Edge or one of their awesome knives, they've got all kinds of stuff on their website, OutdoorEdge.com. It's good to have a knife you can get a hold of. Oh, yeah. It's a nice big. Oh, it is. Blades don't break. Blades don't break. That's the biggest thing. The Havlons kind of, you know, we all had them. We all had them, but. Still have a few in my pack, but this Outdoor Edge got that. Sell them on eBay, along with all those rifles. That top support piece of steel that goes out over the top that stops it from breaking. It's not just a flimsy blade out there. We're going to be having a, stay tuned. We'll have a unique giveaway later this year. Give a bunch of those knives away. Oh, yeah. What are we giving away today? Did we ever just. Oh, yeah. The Raiders. Jeff, take another drink of Ignite, and you're the one that announced that right here.

We already did that. But let's give away something else. Let's give away something with Mountain Ops. We're going to send them a box of stuff. Mountain Ops doesn't know it yet, but they're going to do it. And if they don't do it, we'll make good on it. So, anyway, hit us. We're going to do two giveaways, and the reason why, had a good member call in and said, Dude, I haven't heard anything about these giveaways. I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, we should have on the hip, and I forgot. That guy's on cloud nine right now. He's like, I told them to do it, and they did it. They did it. Yeah. So, anyway, we're going to give you it. So, let's do this promo code. We already did Hunt 365 for the boots. So, since this is Ignite, Hunt 24-7. There you go. Just where you're going. Hunt 24-7. So, Hunt, H-U-N-T, 24-7. Throw it in there in the promo code. We're going to give away a box of Mountain Ops stuff.

And, like I say, if we have to order it off their website, we'll do it ourselves. But I'm pretty sure Casey will do it since he's getting a lot of advertising for nothing. And so, anyway, we'll throw in some hats and maybe. At least it's somebody we know, and it's not Monster that we have. Tiger's blood. The owner of Monster could be a jerk. I have no idea. Oh, I'm sure he is. He could be an anti-hunter. Oh, they could be. In fact, let's send somebody to research that because we need to never say again if that's the case. I'm not saying I'll quit drinking it, but just saying if they're anti-hunting, they're not going to get in there. I know. We need to always promote what works. And that's lit me up. If it wasn't for Monster, I wouldn't be able to even function today. Yeah. Those trail cameras kicked my butt. Well, dude, what happens? He got back in at 4.30 this morning.

But how hot was it? Well, first thing, first camera, I'm on my four-wheeler. It drenches me. I am soaked from head to toe. Wait, what? First camera. It rained. Monsoon hit out. You? Monsoon. Oh, yeah, dude. I'm like going up a canyon. I'm like, this could flash flood on me. This would be interesting. And I know you didn't. I mean, you don't take care when you're a scout. No, come on. When you're not a scout. No, no. And plus, you're like, I'm a tough guy. Oh, my weather's through this thing. I've got sunglasses on. Pitch dark. I'd welcome a little shower to cool me off right now. Yeah. Until one crushes you. And it's 70 degrees then in your wet. All of a sudden, I'm like, I'm filling a tinge of hypothermia. Oh, I did see a rattlesnake last night. Those are hazards of running cameras in the desert at night. It just is. So, anyway, end up going to this camera.

Get all the way back to the truck. Load up the bike. Everything's ready. Put the card in your laptop. Put the cards in. And a stupid freaking camera wasn't taking night shots. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. I had three cameras, two of them. One card was empty. I don't know why. Threw that card away. And the other card had no night shots. It just had black, black, black, black. So, I'm like, unload the bike. Go all the way back up in there. Put a new camera there. Yeah, sure enough. It's not even snorping on me. By then, it's dark. Oh, yeah. Took it out of the box. Put it in the new one. Everything's going. I got red hitting me from three angles. I know it's good. And I come back to the truck. By then, it's another four hours. It feels like. All the while, I'm picking up some landowner tags for Epic. We buy and sell landowner tags.

And so, picked up and visited with a few landowners that Adam had worked with along the way. Go to the next camera. By the time I get home, long story short, I only ran a few of them. And it just crushed me. So, anyway, I am on Monster. And we did a phenomenal podcast. Talked about a few of the tags. What it was, like Adam said earlier, we're not talking about, you know, all the tags we have necessarily. Just for saying we're excited. A, yeah, we are excited. But a lot of it is just getting everybody pumped up. There's still tags out there for sale. There's things that you can do. There's over-the-counter hunts. And we're just doing what we say we do. We're out there doing it. And part of it is we're taking Fridays off to scout. Sometimes we're taking Thursdays off. Who knows? Just because it's that time of year, it's slow. Everybody should be out scouting. Or boating. Or whatever.

Doing fun things. Golfing. Golfing. I'm going to golf this afternoon. How's that? Are you? Oh, yeah. Really? You bet. Foot's better. And I'm back in the center. Yeah. What did Doc say? Doc say you're good. He's good. Yeah. All those little pieces are back together? How does that happen in a month? Come on. There's gaps. I'm not saying it's a hole. Don't let your guide know. It's not been made a hole. I haven't told them. But it's on me. I can't do something. It's on me. I've got another 28 days. You'll be fine. But we're excited for that. And excited for what's coming up. If you do still want to give us a call, 435-2630-777. There are a few opportunities left out there. Yeah, we still do have some. I've got some hunts. I've got some. Jeff does have hunts. Even bison. It's getting to the time of year where people, maybe they break their big toe and can't go and hunt.

And so they're calling. The outfitter's calling saying, hey, I've got a problem. And whether it's a sheep, it's a deer and elk, some of those even happen in September and October, three weeks before some deer and elk events happen. Guy had to back out. Stay in touch with us if you can do that. There is going to be, there's things in Colorado like the leftover list that's going to be starting to come available. And turn back tag list August 14th and on. And just keep an eye on that. There's over-the-counter elk tags there. Over-the-counter elk tags still left in parts of Idaho. As well as general season deer tags in Idaho. Really not a whole lot of state tags. Over-the-counter archery deer in Arizona that you can hunt in August, September, or December, January. So there's stuff out there if you're left out without anything and you want something.

But call us, like Adam said, and we'll help you spend your money. I mean, truth be told, hunting can be expensive. Feeding bears can be expensive. So, breaking big toes are expensive. And getting tags for kids is expensive. But well worth it. The opportunity is out there. It's just a matter of if a guy really, there's no excuse for a guy that sits back and says, oh, I can't get a tag again. No, you can. There's a hunt that you can go out and chase 160-inch plus deer or better. Well, and some of the hunts, Jason and I, you too, Jeff. I mean, you've got bucks in your office. We've got bucks at our wall. We measured that 200-incher that he was calling 180. That are on stuff that took either zero points or like one point to draw some of our tags. You have to make something out of seemingly nothing sometimes. And you don't always draw Henry Mountains and Strip and 241 deer tags in Nevada.

But nobody can make a living doing that unless you're in the ability to buy tags like that, which very few people are. One of the main points to our magazine, I mean, we have, you can dig through our magazine. You can find hunts that you guys are putting in there, like areas, units and whatnot, you guys are putting in there. And I look at it and I'm like, I want to do that. And I want to do that. And I got the points to do that. And I got the points to do this. And I just wish you guys that are listening could be on the other end of the line. Yesterday I talked to a guy. Him and his wife drew two of the four non-resident tags for 22 fourth deer in Colorado. Oh. I mean, our members are drawn tags like it's their job. It's unbelievable. And so, I mean, we're literally. And so, when you get that, when you get that reinforcement that, A, they do give non-resident tags. Okay? Yes.

It's not just a statistic. That is not a one in 1150. Right. There is a, the one is a live beating heartbeat person. And we talked to that guy. Yeah. And it's pretty impressive. So, our members, you guys, you know, are drawn tags. And we get to, you know, get to visit with guys, help you out with some member draws, people that have drawn in the past, help you with an outfit or whatever. So, feel free to call us. A little plug for our business. If you aren't a member of Epic Outdoors, become one. It's epicoutdoors.com. Get on there. It's 100 bucks a year. And with that, you can talk to Adam or I or Jeff or whoever you want in our office. And we can help you out with some of your draw strategies, fighting hunts, whatever. Plus, you'll get a monthly magazine December through June. And then, by monthly, the remaining part of the year, it's nine issues a year.

And there's just a lot of good benefits that come from paying 100 bucks, which is basically take a gas. So, also, I think on one or two podcasts ago, we threw out a solicitation from you all for podcast question, Q&A type stuff. Email those to Chris, C-H-R-I-S, at epicoutdoors.com. Get a lot of great feedback. We did a podcast a while back. It was just Q&A from our listeners. Hey, you know, deer scouting options. Hey, when do a deer move? When do you give up on him? Blah, blah, blah. Anything. You know, if you've got an elk question, deer question, gear question, whatever, we'll do our best to tackle that on the podcast here maybe in the next week or two. So, email any ideas or questions, specific questions you have, not just an idea. Although we take those two, we have to sometimes contact guests and things like that to set those up.

But if it's just a Q&A, we can sit down this time of year and hammer a couple of those out a week. So, Chris, C-H-R-I-S, at epicoutdoors.com. Email that to him and maybe we'll answer your question on the podcast and go into depth on it. We do want to throw a little shout out to Kent's Optics. David and Jeff Harrell, good dudes, good friends of ours. They make our members good deals. They have great prices, the best of anywhere I've seen. Been out in the field and ordered up binos and had them sitting at my house in one day. So, anyway, these guys are awesome. They're hunters themselves and they appreciate your business. That's one thing I do like about them as well as they have a huge variety in stock. They have an incredible supply of optics in their back room and have, I imagine, anything you need. So, whether it be Vortex or Night Force Ice, whatever you want to use, they'll have it.

So, anyway, give these guys a call. It's 435-257-7014. Tell them Jason and Adam sent you. I'm sure they'll make you a screaming deal. You can also go to kentoptics.com. Let's go back to work.