In this episode the crew talks about general “rules of thumb” when hunting, especially in more popular areas. Even though hunting is competitive and areas get crowded sometimes, having a little bit of etiquette will make the season more enjoyable for all hunters. We also start down the list of questions we’ve collected from our Instagram followers for our annual pre-season Question and Answer segment.
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You are listening to the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Check us [email protected]. Start it. Let’s, let’s roll this. Let’s get going. I love why it’s old man movements. You start Forez Wyatt, give us a good, Hey, everybody. Let’s Hey, everybody. Hey. I like it. That was a good start. Hey, I like that. Josh, keep record. Josh, you try it. Hey, everybody. All right, John. Hey, everybody. All right, cash. Hey everyone. How’s it going? Hey everybody. Welcome to the Epic podcast. Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Okay. Alright. Powered by Epic Outdoors. Powered by WFB, jfp, jf, and C. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, I’m done. Let’s get started. Hey, everybody. Jason Carter. Adam Broon. Well, actually, Adam is just finishing out his hunt up there in Canada, so Kill the sheep, kill the caribou. Turns out Wayne’s killed a Wolverine, so kind of awesome. But we do have, what did they say? WFB Wyatt. Yeah. I’m here. We got Wyatt here. We got Josh John Cash. Devin Logan. Of course we have Logan always couldn’t do it without Logan. How are you? I’m doing good. Should we dive into your personal life? We always do that, yes. Hey, the start of every podcast. That’s right. Somebody’s, do you have a life? I, I try to have a life. I’m working a lot. Oh, all right. I like it a lot. A working life. We’re in summer months for Gen Z.
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Where were you working this morning? I was gonna say for a gen or millennial. I was. You haven’t been in this office physically before 10:00 AM For the last six months. I, okay. Wow. I like this. I don’t have to say it. And yet it said, I thought you had a second job or something. No. Oh my gosh. I thought his motto is last in first out. Geez, Logan. It’s all right. I’m getting videos. The big box, and they’re doing nothing here. Oh, whoa. Okay. You’re gonna strike. Let’s see him. I haven’t cut him outta the picture yet. What do you consider Big Logan Bear? See if the optics department, yeah. See if the optics department gives you a deal on the spotting scope again. Well, you’re charging me fees that don’t even exist. I don’t want to come to you anymore. You handle a lot. I had to go get my, I had to go get my own box and check myself out, and we charged me a handling fee. We had to hold a prayer session just to decide if you wanted that thing or not. It’s like all the, like it’s a hundred, all the taxes and fees associated with motels that you don’t even you city tax use, fee fee, parking fee, resort fees, more than that resort fee. The reservation. That’s, that’s what LO’s complaining about. He never knew the epics optics department charged all kinds of fees.
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And we actually don’t, we never charged. I didn’t itemized receipt. That’s right. Except for when you come in. I know. And there’s a few additional fees. There’s a couple of phrases I want banned in this office from now on. Okay, let’s go of, let’s go down that. They make, they make new ones every day. They print more money every day, and you’re gonna need it eventually. I hate those phrases. Make me bust down my wallet. Money is a renewable resource. Logie berry. Buy this right now. That’s exactly what you’re, you’re making more right now as we speak. I walk little by little, I walk over to get a window mount, and I walk away with stuff that I didn’t even know I needed. But by this weekend, you’re gonna be happy and you’re gonna appreciate what we, what we offered to you, and you’re gonna be in a better spot. And we wanna see the video to prove that we made Yeah. A difference. Once I figure out how to cut the deer out of the video, so it’s just the deer with a white background. Then I’ll show you. Oh, geez. If I know how, you should definitely know how. Gosh. Gosh. It’s Own it. Gosh. Did that. He’s owning it. He’s a pro. Pro. And we did have a guy call in about your three-legged deer. Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy message me. Let’s see this three-legged deer.
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I said, I don’t know what deer you’re talking about. And then I rang in my ears and I was like, oh, that, that’s right. Wyatt called him out and says, does this deer only have three legs? Yeah. Where’s the rest of the deer? Pretty awesome. Okay. All right. Well, let’s get, all right, Logan, are we got, we didn’t talk about your personal life. I, I do. You have one? No. Well, yes, but what do you, because she, she listens to this and you say you’re single, you got problems. So go ahead and well probably caught a cough it up. I, I’m single. I got nothing to nobody to be afraid of. Like the rest of you guys on the podcast. I can say whatever I want. Wow. Our women are not afraid. They’re empowered and they own the place. That’s right. He’s saying we’re afraid. Exactly. John, what are you afraid of? There’s plenty to be afraid of. Josh, are you afraid? No. Is sugar mama taking away your credit card? Yeah. I’ve never had one. Oh, Devin, are you in a good spot? I’m happy Your personal life. Hey, speaking of you, it’s your anniversary today. It is. Congratulations. Been married four years today. Geez. Wow. I’ve been married 28. You got 24 to go. I’m six and a half. Five and a half. Geez. Holy cow. When did you get married? 17. When I was like 12. Congratulations. Oh, wait, nevermind. She was 12.
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Did you get to choose or was Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. That’s not true. No. Your wife’s awesome. No, she was, she was definitely older than 18. So by a few months. By a few months. Why? How are things going with Case? Good. You’re good? Yeah. He’s happy. He seems happy. Yeah. Geez, you guys were saying Devin, maybe you have to speak to this. I don’t know. But you’re saying that he was like the best baby ever. I had a blast with him. He’s pretty chill. I spent some time over at Wyatt the other night. You We were playing basketball. We had a fishing pole. We had a great time. Really? Yeah. Took him around to Wyatt’s mounts. Let him touch every one of ’em. Something I don’t allow. Yeah, exactly. So when Uncle Devin comes over four, that’s the best part. Uncle Devin comes over, the kid gets to touch all the mounts. Yeah, he was, gets to walk. Hanging off these brow ties. He was awesome. Pull ups on everything. Pull ups gets to walk on all the carpet. That was perfectly not walk has the perfect, not walking yet. Mosaic design by the vacuum. Yeah. You know all the good stuff because your wife, he’s a cable guy. It was awesome. Oh well good. You’re lucky. You know, your second one might not be so good. Probably get a call. Ay one. I think we might be done at one. Oh, come on.
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I’m just getting caught up in my sleep, I think. And I didn’t even do that much of sleepless nights, so. All right. Wyatt. My only thing about if you’re get done at one is every only child that I know is bitter at their parents for being an only child. Yeah. Just saying. I’ve told them that 17 times. Everyone and they’re turd heads. Well, if he wants to move out when he is 18, that’s just fine with me too. You know? What about 16? 16? I mean, if bitter, that’s fine. Go 15 And if he doesn’t want gain surf you ever again, fine. Less, less money for you in the future. Less seeds on the floor. Alright, well, okay. Wow. Geez. Do you love the kid? I’ll say this. He lo case loves Wyatt. Yeah. Like they’re buddies. You could tell. Yeah, for sure. When I showed up, he looked at Wyatt like, what do we got going on here? Dude, that’s how most people look when Devin shows up. What is going on here? What is this guy? Are we okay? Yeah. Who is this guy? You could tell they hang out a lot. Oh, good stuff. All right, so let’s just get this started. Devin, I think we ought to start with you. Me, we were gonna, so what we were gonna do is talk about ethics a little bit.
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We just got done with the last podcast talking about truck cameras and theft and 14 other challenges out there in the hills. But then we were gonna continue with ethics. Like if you roll up on a knob and somebody else’s glassing, do you stay on the knob? Yeah. You probably stay on the knob, but do you sit within their personal space like the guy did down here at the bowling alley with you guys at lunch? You know what I mean? Where they’re breathing on you. I mean that, gosh, almost went home and showered. I had to wash my neck. He was so close. Okay. Kidding. But you’re right. And I think it depends a lot of things. But like if you hike in somewhere in the dark and all of a sudden you look over and there’s a dude, like it kind of is what it is. Sucks. You’re not gonna walk back and lose a whole morning. Your morning’s blown, but don’t sit like 10 feet. Just have enough respect. You just sit off to the side, whatever. If you drive to a place somebody’s parked there and there’s one spot kind of move on. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I think whoever gets there there first or whatever, if you know. Yeah. Whatever. It depends on, you know, if I part whisper, part of that comes back, you’re parked there and how do I know that you went to that particular knob?
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How do I know? How do I know you not should have woke up earlier. Right. But I mean, I’m just saying like, do you just take the chance that that knobs not being sat on? Because you don’t, that guy’s got, oh, I’m saying like a guy’s glassing next to his truck. Like, oh, I see you’re on one knob or whatever. I see. I see. You know what I mean? Then move on. You got half hour to get your next spot. Yeah. You go ways down the way or whatever. But okay. I had a guy stand by me. Literally, I could have spat on him. I could have spit on him. Wow. And I asked him, I said, are you really gonna do this? He’s in the dark. You asked him opening day muzz loader last year with my brother. I said, are you really doing this? He’s like, what? I’m like, you’re really gonna stand this close to me. And the thing is, you, he could’ve went a hundred yards here. This, you’re not missing anything. I said, so like when the sun comes up, you’re gonna like, this is gonna be a race to shoot. Or like, what? How’s this your plan? Plan? He’s like, it’s public land. I can stand wherever I want. And I’m like, you’re right. You can, you’re right. It was the most awkward mor of morning of glass I’ve ever had part of that. Then the sun comes up. Okay.
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I was kind of pissed. His buddy was like embarrassed. Yeah. Didn’t say a word. Yeah. And I’d like go off the knob here and glass and like just, we couldn’t even talk. Yeah. Like I’d see a buck or whatever. And then you’re texting son comes up. Yeah. I think he was a little embarrassed. He he, he was being, being that guy. Being that guy. And so if rolls reversed, you would’ve stayed on the knob. Just roll down to the side. Let me have a little privacy. If I’m talking on drove to the end of the road and up on another knob. Yeah. You could pretty well see 90% of the stuff anyways. And if I’m talking to my, and then that way you can talk to your buddies on the radio or phone or whatever in private or whatever. Right. But it’s just awkward. Makes it weird. I would say a hundred yards go a hundred yards. I’m literally telling you guys we’re talking like five, six feet. Yeah. Yeah. It was weird. Yeah. That’s my question when they do that is have you ever had or even heard of somebody sitting that close to somebody and then actually like racing to shoot. Oh yeah. Because I couldn’t even imagine. Do you doing that a story for us? None that you wanna share. No. It happens.
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It happens sometimes, you know, you’re hunting the same deer or whatever and you’re, you may not be next to each other, but all of a sudden somebody realizes somebody somewhere. Yeah. And it changes things, which is unfortunate, but it’s hard. I don’t like making deals. People are like, well, let’s make a deal. You know, I, I’m not a guy that makes deals. ’cause your, your plans change as you move, as the hunt progresses. You know what I mean? Maybe even change bucks, maybe the buck changed his pattern or whatever. For example, putting a blind, you got a blind on there. You’re the first blind, another blind moves in. Obviously opening day of deers coming up or archery day or you know, or maybe the guy’s just putting a blind there sometimes. Sometimes people put a blind there just to have a blind there. Right. Like put a blind buddy inside. Yeah. A blind buddy. The whole blind buddy thing comes up. Maybe you’re not planning on sitting it. So then the guy one is thinking, well there’s guy two’s gonna be here. No, he might not. He might actually not even have an archery tag. It might be for the muzzle season. It might be just to have an option when, when, you know, I don’t wanna be putting up a blind tomorrow midday, but I’m gonna actually glass from Are you talking about like a popup blind?
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Not a Yeah, just not a hand built wood. Yeah. Popup blind. Just a, just a double bull. Whatever. Some kind of ball. Here’s a question for you. If you put up a popup blind, do you think it’s okay for somebody else to sit in and there? No, I don’t think it’s okay. Ly that’s your personal, personal property. Lashelle was telling us the other day, let’s say here you park your truck and you leave the doors unlocked and you go out hunting and so you come back and somebody’s sitting in your truck. Is that a problem? To me, that’s a, to me that’s a problem. Oh yeah. Same thing with your blind. Yeah. That’s a problem I’ve heard. That’s so, alright, so finish your story. Just Lashelle told us the other day that, what was it, two years ago or a year ago? A couple years ago, she, her husband dropped her off and he went to another spot and she’s, you know, by herself walking all, she had a pin on all that. Yeah, she had a pin. So she goes up to the blind and could hear people whispering inside. But then, but then she questioned herself, is this really our blind? Like, is this my, I don’t know. Shocking off. Yeah. And she’s never really, but it was her blind before she just walked away and sat on the road and waited for him to come back. She said, but it was her blind.
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It was their blind. Somebody else sat in her blind. I mean, come on. Who does that? But there’s people that have checked blinds for other people in ’em and then put their clients in ’em. You know what I mean? Sure. Like that’s happened. How would you feel if your blind was being sat in by somebody else? I would, if you were giving it, it a break, you were giving it, it a break. I personally, I would think, I think I need to take that home and I’d just pack it up. I just came here to pick up my blind. I’d pop in the sides, collapse it and I’d take it home. Pull, pull it off the top of you got two little janky chairs in there. Hey, I’m on my chair back. I don’t know, I think that’s pretty messed up to sit in somebody else’s blind. Yeah, same. What goes with our tree stand too? Now why? You’re really quiet. Have you been that guy that has sat in somebody else’s blind? No. No. I’ve never been that guy. But I was just thinking about kind of a similar topic and out there in Nevada, whoa. You get little bottles with notes in them. That’s a Nevada thing. Reserving spots for a month long. So we had that happen. Yeah. I’m gonna, here buddy of ours has a blind, another guy puts in a blind after his. Okay. Which is fine.
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I mean, you gotta put in a blind, like the minute the draw results come out, just so you can say you were first, you know what I mean? Okay. We’re talking popup blinds. Not popup blinds. Okay. Popup blinds. Okay. And so they, they put a note in a bottle on your blind or at the water hole, at the water at the guzzler. And that, that’s for people to read. Right? It says, my plan is to be here opening day. If you would like to not compete, you should contact me and then we can work out a deal. Right. And maybe they’re hunting any buck, that first buck that comes in, maybe they’re hunting a specific buck that comes in or whatever. So move forward with that thought process. You read the note in the bottle. Are you calling them to make a deal? Probably not. Okay. Are you burning the bottle and let crumple all around the note? I’m probably just gonna leave it as is. But it just depends on the scenario too. Like I, but you don’t even know if you’re gonna sit opening down the bun. Yeah. You might. What the day before might dictate what you’re doing that day. Yeah, exactly. I’ve seen the notes say I’m gonna be sitting here from September one to 30th, October 10th and the whole entire, huh. And you’re, youre not sitting there the whole time. In fact, most likely they don’t sit there at all. Yeah.
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They just have that note. Put ’em on multiple water holes though too. I’ve seen the same note. Same, same bottle situation on multiple water holes. So remember that big poster on Monroe that year in the middle of the road? Yep. What’d it say? No, it was a long thing. I remember woman, a woman on water ahead. Go ahead. Ruin like that. It’s the hunt of a lifetime. Took me, took me, you know, 22 years to draw. I’m sitting on a, you know, sitting on water up here. But it was a log across the road. Yeah. With a sun. Not like a fresh arrow in the road. It’s like, that is her arrow. Yeah. Remember was, was a 14-year-old girl sitting on the water up ahead. It may or may not. Maybe an old fatty guy. You know what I mean? Hope it was okay. Okay. I saw that once on the pongo. Back in the baiting days, I was driving down a dirt road and it was a dead end, dead end dirt road. But it was a thick road to the point you’d kind of have to drive down to the end of it to turn around. And just before I got to it, there was an orange Home Depot bucket sitting in the middle of the road. And I’m like, what the heck?
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And I got out to look and there was a sign on it and it said, yeah, somebody’s sitting in a blind at the end of this road. Please don’t come down here any farther. And this bucket’s not gonna be destroyed by a big old rainstorm or something. So that bucket it, I don’t, it could sit there for 20 solid days. Is a dude gonna be in it for 20 solid days? I mean, if they’re putting a bucket in the middle of the road, you, it kind of probably means that they’re actively, I imagine they were in it. You would think so. That’s what I would you, you, you’d honor that probably more than a note at every water hole saying for sure I’m gonna be here from September one to October 10th. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I think there could be a generic bucket who, if somebody’s sitting on the water, you put the bucket out and people know, oh, somebody’s already there. Let’s go somewhere else. So let’s say that you check on the bucket at 2:00 AM Okay. And the bucket’s still there in the middle of the road the next day. You check it at 2:00 AM 2:00 PM 2:00 AM 2:00 PM whatever. At what point do you go check for yourself that somebody’s in the blind or not? I dunno, there’s a lot that could happen in a blind or there’d be a vehicle somewhere. People spend the night blinds. No, no kidding. Yeah.
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I know people that have stayed a night in the blind just ’cause you can’t get in there like, say, trying to be deer. I’ve done, I’ve slept on the blind multiple days. Like go in, basically it’s a tent at that point. I have, I even hunted. Just use the blind as a tent per se. Yeah. And slept. It’s miserable to stay in a blind. Yeah. I’ll tell you that. But I scared of snakes. I’ve done it. Oh yeah, I don’t, snakes scorpions. You gotta build up the sides and, and plus your scent and 14 other things. But what else do you think’s happened in blinds, Josh? I don’t know. Just probably, yeah, lots of haunting. I don’t know. That’s kinda what they’re built for. Yeah. Okay. Alright. So then what else? What else are we talking about? So, so why you’re not dealing with the bottles, you’re not gonna deal with the notes? Well, if somebody’s actively hunting it, yes. But if, if nobody’s actively hunting it, you’re not even if you, I’m not even believing the notes anymore. No, no one’s been down this dirt road and you have notes in every water hole, then you can’t just claim an high entire mountain range. Yes. Right. Okay. All right. So John, you’ve got some ethic issues. Oh, you’ve had some ethic issues, not that you personally are unethical, but you’ve witnessed some personal issues.
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I think you could, you could expand it to etiquette as well. There you, that’s probably, that’s a better word. Yeah. It’s not necessarily ethics, but Yeah. I mean, we hit on the, the big one. My, my pet peeve is you’re set up, you walk in two hours before light to, you know, get on the top of a knob and you know, your truck’s pretty much the only thing at the base of it. And somebody walks up after and, and sits right next to you. That’s why I say go a hundred yards. So the Devon issues go, go, especially if you have the option to go a hundred. Sometimes I, there’s one little outcropping and I’ll be like, you can sit there, dude. I get it. Yeah, I get it. You’re really would say go as far away as your morning as much as it is my morning. You have to and there’s one place to go. Yeah. And that’s here. So whatever. Do your, do your thing. I usually have a plan B, you know, in in mind. And okay, there’s a truck here already. I’m gonna go to plan B or plan C, or I’ll glass off, you know, the other side. I try to get out of view, you know, so you have at least the illusion of I’m kind of alone.
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You know, my, my my favorite was when I had a, we were up on a rock outcropping guy and his, his daughter comes out and I was with my kids and they set up right below us, like 30 yards. Like you were gonna be shooting over top of them the direction we’re shooting. Yeah. And, and so, and you guys have been known to lay down some left. Oh yeah. I just yell and, and say, Hey, you want me to just shoot over you? What? You know you did. Oh yeah, yeah. I had it on video. It’s great. He’s just like, what? What do you mean? Like, play stupid? Well, ah, you sat under my gun. Come on. What if I were to tell you I was that guy once that actually went and sat next to somebody else. Okay. Who was, it was the situation db. Whoa. And, and I’m sure, and I’m sure they’re probably gonna listen to this too, Brad. Craig. Hello. Whoa. Okay. I love it when Josh comes down these roads. No, like here, just, just as a devil’s advocate kind of thing, you know, let’s say there’s a particular buck, like the 236 here that you’ve been watching all summer long and you’ve been like, Logan Mark, this time. Where are we at? Time wise? Oh, we’re good. 2211. We good. We may or may not edit this.
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You, you feel like you’ve been like one of the only few guys that have been seeing this deer and you’ve been just like waiting and waiting, waiting. And all summer, you haven’t seen a soul there. And then the night before was the night before the muzz loader hunt. You go out there to the spot and all of a sudden there’s a truck parked in the very spot and dudes sit on the very, on the very knob you would sitting on. And it’s like, you have decision to make. And I’m like, I know that buck’s gonna come out. I dunno who these dudes are, but I’m gonna make sure that they know that I’m not, they’re not the only guys that have this deer in this spot to think that they’re the only ones here. So would you I went and sat right between the three of them. Wow. That’s when I wish I was like six, eight, just shredded, you know What about six four and not shred. That’s what I’m saying. I’d have to be bigger Josh. So six four and Bernie sat in the middle of him and was like, Hey guys, you know, I guess we’re gonna watch this buck all come out together.
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And then he did another big buck and they came out, but they had the joke on me because actually one of ’em had the sportsman’s tag in his pocket and they could have smashed the buck in front of me. That could have been real bad. So they really could have got back at me at that point. But hey, yeah, if you don’t mind, would you get me a butts pad? I need to get, yeah. I need up my rifle a little. Yeah. The guy whips out a rifle in the muzzle loader. You’d be losing your mind. That’s, that’s kind of what like, the one one kid got up and walked back to the truck, like they were potentially gonna shoot that deer. So you, okay. This is rare that it turns out you’re not that everybody’s friends. Yeah. So it’s, it’s, they’re good. Yeah. But you like a public land. I can stand wherever I want. Like you could come stand in front of me. No, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t do it. It was just in that moment it was, I don’t know. I got caught up. My feelings got the best of me and I was just, I was wound up. Well, you were there first and then you just, but then instead of giving ’em their space, you just went and sat with them. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. Probably not the best thing to do, but I, anyway, Igor sits next to me.
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I’m made lifelong friends. I’m gonna be this little guy on his back beating on him. No, but, but we’re all good and stuff. But I don’t know, it was one of those things. So I can see, geez, I guess sometimes why a guy could justify in his mind. But it wasn’t, like I said, the home wasn’t going, it was public land. But it’s your public land the last five months. Yeah, exactly. That’s, you didn’t share it the last five months. Nobody put in their due diligence, but they ended up there. Yeah. Probably through rumors or intel. Yeah. I, some of it was happenstance where the deer was living and I mean, yeah. Anyway, a little different though too, where the hunt was not going. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn’t have done preseason scouting. No, it was, it was just, it was before the hunt. So that was the worst. Just when you roll up somewhere, like, I’ll never forget our buddy Dave, I drove through a place 10 minutes for light. I was running late. I get up there, jump off my bike and he had hiked in and I’m like, dude, I’m sorry. You know what I mean? Like how did I know you would, he’s like, you were here, he hiked like a mile to get in silence. Didn’t want. Yeah. I didn’t want the deer to know I was here. You went ahead and drove in. It’s right thing. Where do I go?
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You know? And then you feel weird. You’re like, I’ll be be 30 yards over here. Well, I’m the guy that I don’t know, I’ll give you a ride back. It wasn’t an option, but it happens. But I think people, at the end of the day, it’s just the golden rule. Right? What’s that? Treat others as you’d wanna be treated, do under that unto others as you’d have done unto you. Like if, if some, if some, you know, if somebody does something to you, it would bother you, then don’t do it to other people. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe some people don’t care if somebody comes and sits, you know? Yeah. I don’t t think it’s, there’s a lot of people that actually look for vehicles, like are saying, well this is a good area. Yeah. Like they actually look for it. Like, and they’re social. Like there’s a lot of people. Okay, Josh, the guy that was spitting on you today. Right. Like, he invade. We all have those people that invade our personal space, but our personal space, it varies in depth depending on who you are. That’s true. Right. So like John’s saying, go a hundred yards. I’m saying just, just kind of go outta sight for a minute if it’s 25 yards, whatever, you know? Yeah. But we all have that. So if you’re with somebody, you can actually talk and point without it being awkward. Yeah.
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But sometimes it’s just a knob is a knob, you know? I get it. My, I mean, so anyway. Yeah. Okay. Well, good. All right. Anything else we need to, let’s, should we talk about anything else ethics wise? Like, hey, I wanna go back to the blind thing. In my mind, it would be different if it’s like a brushed in blind. The brushed in blinds are there for years to come, right? Yes. Or, or, but maybe what if it’s a brushed in blind that has fresh, dark emerald green pine needle. Right. Or, or a like freshly or cedar tree, cedar bows, whatever you want to call ’em. Limbs that you can obviously tell was for this hunt versus an old blind that’s chicken wire sticks and stuff that’s been there from 1953. Yeah. That the hard thing is you don’t know if they’re gonna be there or not. Or you come and nobody’s there. I they’re not sweating it. Right. I don’t know. You’re not sweating it. I don’t know on that one. Yeah. So let’s say there is a blind there. You don’t know. There’s no bottle. There’s no note. Are you putting your blind there? Yeah. I don’t know. Are you gonna do that? You, you are like an old blind, like an old sticker. Like you don’t know if he’s gonna be there for the 20 day or 30 day season in Nevada, like August 10th to September 9th. Like geez.
00:25:43:26 –> 00:26:48:18
Or if it’s a brushed in blind, do you still put your blind there? That’s absolutely right. Yeah. I think so. I mean, it’s just, unless it’s a freshie and it’s, you know. Yeah. But it’s not gonna, you having a blind, there’s not gonna hurt anything until you go to sit in it. Yeah. Right. Right. So then you make the conscious decision. They park their bike here they are in the blind. I know they’re in the blind. That’s a fresh blind. They’re parked here. And now I roll in. Am I gonna go sit in a blind 20 feet from their blind? Yeah. Then I would say no. Yeah. I wouldn’t. So back when you could use thermal, would people thermal the blind and see if there was warm bodies in the blind? I imagine stuff like that probably happened. So this is next level hunting? This is combat hunting. I, I don’t know for sure. I mean, I’ve never Is that why you haven’t done it yourself? Used that or seen? Seen. If you could see inside a blind with thermal, that would explain why’d see guys walking around with metal sheet metal in front of ’em. Yeah. That happened with handles glued to the back of it. Okay. Talk a little more. I’m just totally making that up. I’d imagine it might happen. I, I had, I had heard that it had happened. What? Which part? The guys had thermal blinds. Nobody was in it.
00:26:48:23 –> 00:28:01:01
It’s not your blind, but nobody’s in it. You’re 30 minutes from prime time put their hunter in it. They should have been there to throw their hunter in it. And they kill somebody else is blind. Yeah. Oh man. I’m telling you, if you sit in my blind, what’s worse? Somebody’s stealing your truck camera or somebody sitting in your blind. You gotta be pretty bold to sit in somebody’s blind. Yeah. That’s like, I would just go and I’d say, Hey, I’m, I gotta move this. So sorry. Like sunglasses or, or I’m taking my blind home. I’m moving my blind blinds are very personal space. Those are my gonna in, there’s like bottle’s going to somebody’s tent bottle. There’s my pee bottle. Yeah. Like I got my stuff. Right. I would sure. You’ve got pee bottles, you’ve got drinks, you’ve got snacks, you’re hanging, it’s your home. My, my little sunglasses are up on the little, you know, tent. Yeah. What do you call ’em? A stay or whatever. I just, I don’t know. That’s like going in somebody’s tent. Yeah. Don’t do that. Yeah, don’t do that. What would you do? I’m surprised more people haven’t been killed. Like you could call that your home. Right. And if somebody invades your, your home, it my per, if somebody dwell, invades your home, you kill ’em. Right, right. I think I would just move my home. We should Google that. It’s happened in the east. Guaranteed, huh? Yeah.
00:28:01:04 –> 00:29:12:28
Oh, I bet. If you think that it’s happened, gun fights over blinds. Ooh. I don’t know. My ethics question is about a buck that everybody knows about and that everybody’s hunting. How hard do you hunt that and where do you draw the line? Like if, you know, if you wake up in the morning and get to the spot and you’re hiking in and you know five or more people are gonna be on this buck, are you going for it? Are you walking by people or? Well, if you choose to do that, you’d be the first there. You just make sure you’re there early. Yeah, I like beating them. I like beating ’em on top of the hill. But I just think, I think it’s easier to hunt a buck that everybody’s hunting versus I know it’s me against Devin and oh, versus there’s one glassing knob and there’s one water hole and there’s like two blinds. There’s some, it’s tougher. Then I think it just really is just treat people how you’d wanna be treated, honestly. You know what I mean? Like be respectful. Yeah. That’s all you can do. You can’t, other people are gonna do what they’re gonna do. Some things are situational too. Like, like what Devon’s saying. Like some things are just, you gotta play, you gotta have a conscience in certain situations.
00:29:13:15 –> 00:30:13:14
Like some things are gonna be okay in some, in some situations and other things aren’t that are in the other one. So you just have to have a conscience and just think. Just think. People just don’t think sometimes. Okay. Cash. You’ve got some scenarios in your mind. Why don’t we talk about what you’re thinking about? I don’t know. Just, I mean, I can think of an example down in Arizona. Like when we were on an elk hunt. It’s, there’s this huge valley, almost all the elk are kind of in this big valley and there’s a two miles across it. And one end there is one knob and there’s all the outfitters are on that knob. Yeah. And you can see 360 around the whole knob. Like it’s in some situations that’s, it’s the rock pile of sand. Yeah. You can either go to there or you can go two miles to the other end. Yep. And there’s like four around this whole thing. And it’s like, that’s the angle for kind of this section. And in that situation, yeah, that’s fine. Like everyone kind of knows you go to that, this is what we do. That’s what everyone kind of glasses from. Okay. You can’t glass that angle. You go glass another angle.
00:30:13:19 –> 00:31:16:06
But other situations where there’s maybe four options of knobs, you don’t go, you don’t go sit, like Devon was saying, you don’t go sit 10 feet from a guy when there’s a knob 300 yards right there that you can see all the same stuff. You know. That’s why I think some of it’s situational to a degree. Okay. All right. Josh. I love it when you dive down some of these crazy roads. ’cause the shock and awe stuff that comes outta your mouth. Pretty interesting. Do you have any other, no. Any other ethics? No. That you’ve been thinking about? And I’m not saying like, back with that story, I don’t condone doing that all the time, but there’s times when I could see where someone else could do that to you. Like, let’s just, let’s just be real. We’re all here for the same life. If they haven’t seen you and all of a sudden you are there. Because I’m in a similar situation, I kinda had the same thing, exact same area and stuff. And somebody was sitting on that spot the morning of the muzz loader hunt. And I was like, okay, I, I can’t obviously go there. You know? And it didn’t go sit there next to him, even though I could have, but yeah, it actually worked out better for me because the buck came out closer to me and, and I killed it. But so yeah.
00:31:16:06 –> 00:32:24:04
I’m, I’m just saying, I could see why sometimes people think it is okay when you put in a significant amount of time or whatever and then all the, and you think that, okay, you make this big master plan, it’s all working and it’s all good until you get there and there’s a truck there, there’s a guy there or whatever. And not saying it’s right, but I could see why it could happen. But anyway. Okay. Alright. So do we wanna talk about social media ethics or scouting on social media or anything like that? It’s all fair if you post it out there. Yeah. It’s your, it’s been sending me bulls from the, you know, well, well, it could be from Fish lake or it could be from Nebo. And he’s saying they’re on bait. Oh ab every bull that I, every bull that’s on Instagram right now is off. Is a bowl coming from Pengu in your backyard? I didn’t. Why don’t you know about from New Mexico that I might have an elk pack from every New Mexico. Here’s a New Mexico bull. You missed. Yeah. Every, every i, every bull. I see, I mean a lot of non typicals it seems like. Yeah, there was one, it was three 500 inches. So wife’s going out and getting w ranch bulls and saying, how did you miss this one? He said, rumor, rumor is that’s mammoth. You know?
00:32:25:03 –> 00:33:35:11
And then gets frustrated when he sees me this morning and he’s like, did you go look for those bulls last night? And I’m like, no. And he gets mad because he’s sending me all this information that I’m not using. That you’re not using. Yeah. Yeah. So it just makes it weird. I have to shut the window just trying to help a guy out. Yeah. Well it could have been from New Mexico. Keep him motivated. You. It could have been from his backyard. Keep him motivated. They’re out there. It’s true. They’re out. They make ’em every day. Hey, they’re a renewable resource. They make ’em every day. Why? Its job is to find them and at night him and case search and social media. Right? Yeah. Look at why it’s scrolling right now. I’m just gonna show you the video. What, wow. How did you miss those? Josh? And he’s mad that I wouldn’t, that’s no joke. There’s there’s three four Hundos in a row, right There might be 500. I was gonna say pushing five. And he even had a location for me and everything. Oh. And it does say, Hey, can’t wait for hunting season. When’s that year round? Whenever. Oh, why It follows up. Do you follow the ranch hunts? Why? No. No. All right. All right. Okay. So let’s move past, unless you guys have something else to talk about on ethics. There’s plenty of other ethics out there.
00:33:36:27 –> 00:34:40:27
You know, a lot of people have ethics. They only think you should shoot a long bow. They only think you should shoot, not use long range rifles, whatever. I think where that goes, I’ve had a lot of clients that what the law is, the law is. So that’s as far as the ethics go. It’s individual. Right. And as long as you obey the law. Is that kind of where you guys are at on it? Or is there, do you have ethics beyond that? Do you judge people beyond that? Well, I mean there’s definitely respect. There’s, there’s a law and there’s also respect other hunters or, or, or, or wildlife. Yeah. Or wildlife to wildlife. Yeah. Like you’ve never made a thousand yard shot, but then you’re gonna go out and make a thousand yard shot or, or where, where you drawing your line on ethics and respect? Well that’s kind of each person. I mean, if there’s a guy out there that shoots a thousand yards every day and I mean hundred or not even every day. Maybe consistent shooting a thousand yards. Very consistent, very comfortable in his skills then, then yeah. That guy’s, yeah, probably well within his respect. Yeah. So just like, I thought it was pretty responsible why he told me this morning, even though he’s gonna have a rifle in Alaska, we still have to get within bow range for him.
00:34:41:29 –> 00:35:49:04
Well there’s some video that was showing some far outshooting last year on moose. That was me. Oh, I was, yeah. You don’t stop shooting until they’re on the ground. Okay. Okay. Well I don’t, I don’t know if that’s where this bow distance comes in or why is wt the better man? Why is Wyatt making rules for you guys? No, himself. Himself. If Im already there, I don’t wanna walk any further than had to from now on. I wanna be involved in these conversations. ’cause you get where you want in the tent, how far you’re shooting. What else we got? What I think is funny is why it chooses the middle. Okay. Who chooses the middle? When I’m on an airplane, I want either side. I want the aisle or the window. You’re in Bear country, bear comes up. You want ’em to snack on somebody else first. At least you get a chance to. He’s smart. I thought you were supposed to wear tennis shoes. Wasn’t that like the bear and tennis shoes kind of thing? Or Well, that’s outrun ’em and you’re into the tent sleeping at night. They’re gonna come to the edges Also. Let’s just say you guys, guys like, so you guys are going up moose hunting. It’s all kind of common knowledge. Pretty fun. Kind of fun to think about. But, but Wyatt has this 10 mil. Okay? Do you trust Wyatt? W if, if Wyatt’s gonna save you.
00:35:49:16 –> 00:36:55:17
Devin, you said, I’ve already given you a verbal, contractual permission that he, he can start shooting and if he hits you, he hits you. If a bear’s on me going up my neck, head, whatever. Shoot, shoot. If you hit me, you hit me. If I die, I die. Me with a handgun, they might as well just be blanks in there. It’s just all about the bang. That that’s, that’s what we’re going smuggle flash. Hopefully the bang, whatever. It’s, I burn his eyes. I threatened litigation if I’m stuck with a, struck with a bullet. Okay. So anyway, so why it’s gunless, he’s thinking about being gunless, right? That was the other thing. Yeah. He’s thinking we’re just gonna pack one. Yeah, he’s, he gets to pick the first meal. He’s already, you’re gonna pack. You’re gonna pack and he’s gonna sit in the middle. Yeah. He gets to pick the first freezer dried meal. I told him he gets to get the first water drink of water. If you don’t bring a pistol. I’m not either. Perfect. So now we got JFP, I’m, I’m taking a pistol. He’s got, and I’m gonna choose whether these guys gets hand training. Okay. You know, he’s been to shooting schools handgun training. Why gets this wazo holster in the mail and then decides he is not even bringing a gun. I know. It’s so the guy even had to come to the house and kind of special fit it.
00:36:55:17 –> 00:38:00:22
Special fit it, readjust it. And now he’s not even gonna take it. Why? Well, we got questions. I don’t understand. We’re not getting any answers. I just, I’m not a handgun guy. So, so what about bear spray? No, I didn’t take bear spray. See, I wouldn’t wanna be sprayed in the face. Yeah. I’m glad he is not taking bear spray for you guys. That’s true. Yeah. My luck. You’d get a breeze coming right back at you and you’d just get in your own eyes. What are you, I’ve been sprayed with that stuff. Shoot me instead. My parents went to Alaska last year and my mom was packing bear spray with her on a black tail hunt. And the guy laughed at her and said, what’s that gonna do? Yeah. They don’t believe in bear. Probably not wrong in Alaska. Probably. Yeah. Probably not wrong. Josh, how’d you get sprayed? Sure would be nice if your friends were there to, you know, if, if, if stuff went south to be there to help you bear, to protect you bear sprays made for Democrats in the lower 48 National. I’m talking, I’m talking about bringing guns because they don’t believe in guns. Yeah. So you gotta make something for the dims. Oh yeah. And so if you’re gonna go to Yellowstone, here’s some bear spray for you. Good luck. Use a lot of it, huh? According to them, it wouldn’t even help. Isn’t that, wouldn’t you?
00:38:00:27 –> 00:39:05:10
That’s kind of right. Don’t you think? Yeah. I mean if you go back and listen to that bear attack podcast we did. Bear spray does nothing. Yeah. Put the, put the lead in ’em fear into me. I’m that sucker. I mean even, even when they have lead in ’em, they still keep coming. So I say they’re so, they’re so jacked up on adrenaline when they finally attack you. I don’t know what stop. Well where you want to, where you want to lay in the center in a tent with these guys. Alright, I just wonder is your love language physical touch? You think like I’m going for, I dunno, I don’t know. I just was, I, I I for one, I’m not choosing the center, but I was just wondering what if you’re a physical touch guy? I guess that’s all I wanna know. I don’t take Wyatt for a physical kind of guy. It’s gif What is your love language? It’s strictly because is it affirmation? A bear comes to the tent, it’s gonna gna on somebody else first. What? What besides that, what’s your love language? Is it affirmation? People say, good job. Does that do for you? I’ve never done this love, love language deal. You guys physical touch. Talk about is it, I’m gonna have to take my quiz or whatever. You need to take the quiz. What? It’s, it’ll be interesting to know.
00:39:05:16 –> 00:40:35:17
’cause I think some of these things that you’re deciding and how you go about life is based off of your love language. Maybe I need to take these quizzes. Alright, let’s move. Okay, wait, wait. I’ve got one last pet peeve. What do you guys think? Wait, hold on. What do you think Wyatt’s love language is got physical touch. Affirmation, affirmation. Quality. Quality. Time. Quality time. Service. Service. I don’t know. Service doesn’t sound bad. Acts of service. So if I mow, mow, mow your lawn or you just like grateful forever maybe never forget it. Probably. Yeah, probably be, yeah. If I changed the tire. Something like we were out there in the middle of nowhere and I changed the tire. Gave you a drink of water. The last drink of water. Yeah. Maybe I don’t have any. What’s the fifth one? John words. Words of affirmation. Physical touch, quality, time. Service. Service, service. There’s one more. I don’t know. People are, it’s probably up. Be gifts. Lots of gifts. Gifts. That’s what it is. That is it. Some people just really are a gifty person. Yeah. A lot of gals. And then, and then they marry a guy that’s not gifts, that’s not words of affirmation. He’s like, oh happy birthday. Yeah. Hello. A good person. They’re like, and they’re like, where’s my gift? You know? So anyway. But not to take away, I would say service maybe I’m kind wondered or quality time.
00:40:35:24 –> 00:41:43:17
Quality time is definitely probably one. So this cunt is gonna be amazing for your relationship with Josh. You have the quality and Devin. Yeah. You guys are gonna bond like crazy in your mind and they’re thinking I’m pretty well done with this quality time. And you’re loving it. Yeah. Yeah. And then one of you two is probably touch. And so that’s gonna do me Josh, for you two. ’cause you guys are gonna be close in that tent because of the bears. What are you doing? What’s your love? I don’t know. I was thinking about it. I don’t know. I’m gonna have to take some quiz. I guess. Take a quiz. Words of affirmation, maybe. Affirmation, maybe kind of, it’s nice to know when you do a good job. Yeah. S it’s, those are all good things. Gifts, service, touch. Gimme some gifts. I won’t complain. Gimme some more eos, please. Service. Probably to an extent. I’m all right. Josh, what’s your love language, Josh? Yeah, probably some gifts. It’s not touch. I’ve, I’ve, I’ve had serious it’s wife came and said, here’s this usually when pe Yeah, I appreciate that. If people are gifts, then you’re a really good person at giving gifts. So like, are you good at remembering Valentine’s Day and birthdays and Christmas? Like are you good at Yeah. Yeah. That’s your I’m pretty good at that.
00:41:43:19 –> 00:42:48:13
I’m not, I’d say I’m not great at doing, I remember it, but it’s, does she know, does she figure gifts? And so like, does she know that if she gives you a gift that your, your heart is hers forever? Oh yeah. She’s that way for sure. Yeah. But this is a hunting podcast. I feel like we’re gonna a therapy session right now. All I know is ever since we, there’s been a lot of talk lately about us and sleeping situations and what we’re gonna be doing and all that stuff. Well it’s ’cause we don’t even have a tent. Yeah. We’re still trying to figure that option out. And I’ve seriously woken up the last few months, like in this weird state that I’m in a tent with these guys already and they’re like, Devin or Wyatt are in bed with me. And I physically wake up and look over and see my wife and like, okay, thank goodness. Like, thank goodness because it, I wake up in this. You could have your own tent. No, I don’t know. I I just, you don’t want your own tent? Just you just, just this, this. You’re not a touch guy. No. I can tell you, I remember you were not a physical touch guy in high school wrestling trips. Like, and they put you in the hotel room. Were you good wrestling? No, I absolutely not. I was like, I was like, I, I was twisted in positions.
00:42:48:16 –> 00:43:54:06
I I’ve, I’ve seen parts of my body no human should ever see and how I got there, I don’t know. Okay. So like, I didn’t physically know I could see that, but I’m here. But anyway, I like, yeah, I, we’d go on these wrestling trips and they’d throw four of you in a hotel room, you know, and you didn’t, I didn’t take a, I didn’t take a whatever sleeping pad or whatever with here. So it’s your sitting in bed with another dude, you know? And I’m like, I panic. You know, I had to had, I’m like, okay. Rule is keep one foot on the ground at all times. Like you and I both, like one, one foot has to be touching the ground. ’cause I don’t want this accidental or me just accidentally roll over and throw arm over wide or something. I might get weird because if his is physical touch, I don’t know. This is not good. Yeah. I’m less afraid of a bear coming to get me. Geez. I’m glad you’re in the middle. That means no matter what, I can’t touch Josh. Good luck. Quiet. And I have night terrors. Especially because watch out. He told us a lunch. He’s bringing romantic romantic novels. Novels or whatever to read. Oh, you did talk about that. You’ve already got books on order. I I got three in the mail yesterday. Geez. The notebook’s one of ’em. No. Yeah.
00:43:54:18 –> 00:45:07:05
I don’t blame you for baying. I’m out, I’m out. I’m starting to question Kevin, are you gonna let that ride romantic books is what you’re taking? Let’s say this, the last two books I brought Wyatt read both of them before I read both of ’em. So they were CJ box books. No, they’re good books. You your guys’ love languages are so unique and, and different. But when you all come back, you’re gonna be super tight. ’cause somebody got touched somebody, somebody got served by by the others gutting their moose. You know there’s gonna be a lot of bonding when somebody, somebody some back strap. Yeah. And then there’s gifts. Somebody’s gonna help some, somebody’s gonna give somebody a, an Oreo an Oreo. Hopefully if they’re packing out my moose, I’m a hundred percent acts of service. A hundred percent. You back my moose out. I love you forever made up my mind right there. I’m an acts of service guy. If Igor cut, if Igor’s packing out your moose, you’re, you love him forever. Yep. Hey I practic, I mowed my lawn with my backpack on last night with a 50 pound back. You did? Yeah. Bet my neighbor somebody video throw it up on the ground. No, but I bet my neighbor was like, what in the heck man, those pollocks there. I do that every time. Yeah. Was it a motorized push mower or was it a real push mower?
00:45:07:14 –> 00:46:18:03
It was a push moment. Electric. I don’t know. It’s just sat on us. You pull up the gears, it pulls you. No, no. Plus or not. It’s harder than you would think, isn’t it? It’s especially like just bending over to grab, like get the grass out. Yeah. Yeah. I bet your neighbor wasn’t even surprised. It’s probably, probably the least just keep doing it eventually just because like the norm. Yeah. Devin, I think your love language also is service part. You can be, you can have two of ’em. We’re really this, aren’t we? I’ll bet you’re part words of affirmation, but then service. ’cause I’m not, you will help people go on hunts. Like can’t be service though. Like, you know what it’s like to be helped and you would help people like, like I think you like to do that. That’s seems like to me, I don’t know. Not sure. Not sure. Alright. I mean I’m kind of with Wyatt like I left. You want the I stepped out. No, I stepped out for a minute from this podcast and I came back into this and I’m like, I don’t know. That’s a hunting podcast. It’s awkward. It’s kind of weird. It’s awkward. I was thrown off, I was really thrown off talking about blind buddies. Yeah, it was kind of, kind of weird. Change personal touch and love languages. You saying we’ve lost it. We went from ethics to love language. Okay, let’s go straight.
00:46:18:09 –> 00:47:27:21
We do have some questions. Move right on. No, wait, wait. I gotta get, get my pet peeve out. Go. Here we go. All right. When you ask me in the field or any, anytime. Where you going? Where other members of the Epic Outdoors staff are hunting, which, what unit is Jason in right now? And I don’t wanna say Hawaii. I can’t believe you asked me that. Yeah, like, stop asking me where everybody else is. In fact, I will specifically not ask Jason where he is, just so I can honestly answer that question. Yeah. I don’t know. Don’t make us lie. Yeah. Geez. Yeah. Anyway, there’s mine. Well, and as you’re gonna find out, like, don’t go where I go ’cause you don’t kill anything. Maybe you can just tell people, I’ve actually told people the truth and they just don’t believe it. ’cause they can’t imagine the truth. They would never tell the truth. Yeah. So when you tell the truth, they assume you’re not, because they would never, that’s a good tactic there. You know? So just tell ’em the truth. They might be like, really what’s he doing out there? Like, they’re not gonna think I’m gonna go there right now. They’re gonna think that is a desolate POS. You know what I mean? Yeah. I am not going there. So, all right, well let’s move forward. Josh. Question reader guy. Yes. He back.
00:47:27:21 –> 00:48:50:10
So we did some question and answer typed questions out there, right? Logan? You threw it out to the general public saying, Hey, do you have any questions? What questions do you got? It doesn’t mean they all get answered and A, you get, and BA doesn’t mean they all get answered. B, you get to decide if we answered them. Honestly, I do. No, the world does. Oh, right. The world does. There you go. So like, I mean, if it’s too personal, well then maybe it’s just too personal, right? But who knows? John, you’ve read a few of them already. I think. Wyatt, I couldn’t get Wyatt to quit reading them. I really, and I haven’t even looked, I haven’t even taken one little glance. Well, we could start off while John was on a pet peeve, we could get an answer from this one. This one. And you, I’m not gonna read the name first. I’ll read the name after the question. Should we ever read the name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they, they took the time. They took the time to, to submit. Yeah. But I’m just gonna wait and you’ll see why. So this one says, would John actually all caps actually take a sheep hunt from his daughter? Oh, a hundred percent. He’ll, this was submitted by Kate K. So that was actually John’s daughter. So my daughter, are you going, are you gonna take a sheep hunter, a sheep hunt from her?
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If you could? No. Okay. Okay. We’re gonna set the record straight right here. And actually, my daughter, I promote youth hunting to its mo us My, my daughter’s got a lot of crap over this conversation, apparently. But no, I told her the question wasn’t, would I take a, a hunt away from my daughter? It is, if I was king, would I say no one under 30 could draw a sheep tag? And I said, yes. And, and then someone said, even, you know, would you know if your daughter’s under 30, would you prevent her from going? I said, well, if, if I was king and I made the law that it would apply to her, it had to be 30, it would apply to her. So there you go. I mean, can we change it to, like right now, I’m not taking the opportunities from kids. No. But right now, if she drew er pile that’s 50 years old tag, I would Yes. I wouldn’t take it deserves a tag over daughter. Right? Right. No, just, just, yeah. You can build points until you’re 30 and then you can start drawing on the sheep tags. But that’s, that’s, well, I want to add onto that. A, the problem is you could die between 15 and 30. True. It’s true. Okay. So you never got that cool opportunity. But BI drew a a buffalo tag in Utah when I was 15 years old. Okay. Before I could drive.
00:49:57:19 –> 00:51:16:10
So I, I was left to relying on my dad on when we scouted, if we scouted when we went, if we went, if we hunted opening day, if we could hunt the whole season or not. So I’m not saying we did it wrong. It just, it was so long ago. I was so young. Was I an active participant in the hunt? Yeah, I was. But, and, and, and I, I mean, I was a goer at that age, but I’m just saying like, that experience would’ve been more cherished, relished, whatever, if I would’ve been a little older than 15. So that’ll play into what you’re that’s the sentiment. You know, cut your teeth on deer and elk and when you know, when you’re young and when you have the opportunity to appreciate Yeah. The, the once in a lifetime opportunities at, at 14. I I, I just think you’re not capable of appreciating the experience at 14. No, you didn’t even apply. You’re not even applying yourself. It’s almost, you’re not even paying for your own apps. You don’t think that’s what you, what you got. Yeah. Have no idea what you got. Yeah. And you know, the rest of the world has x amount of points, X amount of dollars invested over the course of 20, 30, 40, 50 years. Never have drawn it. Alright. All right. So you’re not gonna steal from her. Not gonna steal from her, but not saying it’s per it’s a perfect situation.
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Either different. Is it a huge deal? No, it’s not even a huge deal. I’m just saying like, they don’t appreciate ’em that much. So John, have you drawn a sheep tag? I have not drawn a sheep tag. I may might be a sensitive subject, right? Like, here you are 50, 50 50 or whatever. And you don’t have, you have not drawn a sheep tag. And so I get where you’re coming from. All right. Got an honest answer. Okay. From an honest dad. Thanks Kate. And a daughter that wanted some answers, she did ask me, would you mentor me the tag if you drew a sheep tag? And I was like, you’re over 18. I don’t have to answer. Whoa. Can’t mentor one to can’t mentor after over 18. Alright. Alright. Okay. So plan B Outfitters asks Euro mounted one 90 or shoulder mounted 180. Hmm. Whatever you want. Yeah. Do you guys gonna dive in? I don’t know. I almost think that I anymore, I’m not a, I’m not gonna say I’m not a fan of shoulder mounts, but I, there’s something about holding onto these. They like to hold them. I like to hold them like you, the mass, like that typical we’ve got in in my office. Like you, when he comes down to eye level and you grab onto ’em, then you appreciate that mass a little more. When they’re hard to grab on, they hurt your hands.
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’cause all the knobs, you know what I mean? So there’s something to be said for the Euros, I would say you need both. There you go. What do you think? Why? Oh, it’s kind of tough. I mean, now the point I’m at running outta room, you know, shoulder mounts, you’re gonna be harder and harder to fit, to put somewhere or fit. So a buck, you know, of that caliber might be a euro amount anymore. Yeah. Depends on where, where you’re at, I guess with your goals and Yeah. But let’s go back to the size. There’s a bit of difference between a 180 and one 90. Yeah. I’m kind of liking the one 90, right? Yeah. I mean, huh? Yeah. I think if you like the one 90 in your hand, it’s Yeah, it’s, you’re gonna appreciate it. It, whereas like a 180 on the wall, like that’s a nice buck, you know? Yeah. It’s a good, good deer. But it’s actually a trophy nowadays, which we’ll talk about as we keep going. All right. Kay. Are you marking down that we’re, we’re crushing these like jobs? Oh yeah. We got two outta the way. Two out of 40, 50, 60. I don’t know what Or Loie bear you were saying there was like four days worth of podcast questions. There’s, there is, there’s a lot of questions there. I didn’t count ’em, but there’s like three pages. All right.
00:53:51:29 –> 00:55:09:19
Newly 2 42 asks which epic team member will will be buy in the first will be buying the first Tesla cyber truck. Oh, it’s not me. None. Yeah. Don’t know any of us. Let’s just vote Adam, since he’s not, he may already have one on order. He likes to try, he likes to try new stuff. Yeah. Adam brought some, brought some. He may already have one on ordered up. Sometimes I get frustrated with technology and stuff and you just finally just throw, throw in the town and say, fine, you’re gonna force me to use it. I’ll use it. You know, I get, I get sick and tired of stuff being shoved down our throats nonstop. And at some point it’s gonna be shoved down our throats that we use. Oh yeah. Electric dim equipment. Let’s call it dam equipment. I like it. But at some point they might become pretty, pretty awesome. Who knows? Wyatt slow rolling. The fines in a, in electric vehicle. I think they’re too quiet. Yeah, I was just gonna say he’s, he might have to put a little exhaust noise on loudspeakers. Darrell actually has dual exhaust, so, oh, has that helped or hurt? I think it helps. It equals it out. So if it’s on the right side, on the left, both same, both sides of the road recovered with the same. So now before you used to just see more deer on the left.
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Now you’re seeing ’em on the both the left and the right now they’re on both. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Logan Bear. You’re gonna be slow rolling. The pines I was just about to ask is, is the old four too quiet to slow roll the pines? I think you’re good that that eco 50 20 14. Do you have any exhaust modifications? All stock. It’s an eco boost. So it’s quiet. Just have a few squeaks in the shocks. Maybe a little. Yeah, it’s a little rat. You’ll probably be all right. Now you got me nervous. You don’t want ’em to think you’re hunting them. I mean, when you’re going in quiet, stealthy, they, they know so’s up. It’s absolute truth. Yeah. Let’s be honest. Unless your dad’s buying gas, you’re not using your truck anyway. That’s true. I’m taking it. Whoa. Josh is a little brutal. Brutal honesty from Josh is hurtful. I know. Dad, are you buying gas? We can take my truck. Chin up. Logie bear chin up. All right. Question reader guy are two C Hunting two C Hunt Consulting says, are monster energy drinks bad for your health? Oh yeah. I contend No. What, what, what? Let’s talk about it. I contend No, you’re getting vitamins that nobody’s ever heard of before. Exactly. Have you seen like, I don’t, primarily, I don’t take a daily multivitamin, but there are some multivitamins in this thing that I would not get.
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Have I not drink This rival’s a prenatal vitamin. Yeah. My hair and nails have never Your nails felt stronger than nails. Oh, I have to cut my nails twice a week. Yes. Two your three a day. That is a problem. It’s, I’ve got toenails that are growing like crazy. I contend whatever trine is, I would not get it if I didn’t have this. And I feel like it helps me. Anything that ends in Eden’s probably not that good though. Yeah, well they, the aspartame is the worst part about it. But you have to drink like 12 of those a day to get kidney stones from aspartame. It’s not even close. Which John and Jason, you guys are reaching us in here. Cool. I, dude, I had a clean colonoscopy. I’ve had no kidney stones. How? Who else could say that? I had kidney stones and, but it was before Monster was around. So I’m saying it’s What did they say they were from? They didn’t, they didn’t know. They didn’t know. But dang, did it hurt? I mean, where else are you gonna get, did you crawl to your truck? ’cause I know a guy. No, because, but I, I was going fishing to Alaska the next day. I went to the emergency room. Oh, I remember you were actually taking advertising clients for back in the day, a long time ago. Yeah. And I spent the night in the emergency room.
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And I’m telling you, when I got the morphine in me, it, it was like I could feel it going up my arm and it was the best thing ever. Wow. ’cause it was so painful. Another INE Josh Morphine. Yeah. Hey, that’s a good one. We know it’s a good one. Anyway, I, I passed it and, and like four hours later I was on a plane. Wow. I remember you didn’t have choices. No, no. Your boss. And it wasn’t me but you, I’ve never been your boss. But your boss told you you were going. Oh yeah. Otherwise there would’ve been a group boat full of advertisers with no hosts. Geez. Okay, let’s past that. That’s a terrible experience. Panto pantothenic acid. Where are you gonna get 400% of that in your day if you don’t drink one of those percent? I’m telling you. And it’s really, it’s, it’s a cheap prenatal. It, it keeps you, there you go, then it goes down. You healthy, it goes down. Good. Like, you know what they also say is vitamins don’t like really get into your system. ’cause they’re not made to be soluble or whatever it is. Right. And they just pass through. You drink it. Guaranteed. This is, this is guaranteed to enter your body. Okay. I’m gonna, I’m gonna go with Yeah, the health. It’s a health drink. Really. It is. Okay. I’m not, I’m not. But I am.
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I I, I am cutting back by the way, I woke up today. I’m like, I’m cutting back. I didn’t feel good yesterday. Friday. Go to sleep. Yeah, I have no problem. I’ll drink when I go to sleep. Oh yeah. There’s no problems with that at all. It’s just, yesterday was a four day and it did, it did tilt me. So I told you if I if I did that, I would be sick. Well, oh, I would, I’m a little heavier than you. I’m, I’m, I’m not Igor, but I’m, I’m Okay. So while we’re onto that, oh, you can’t make up questions Josh Marshall. No, I’m just trying to read Marshall some of these, some of these handles are hard to read sometimes. Marshall j Dotson says, have you ever tried a 60 40 mixture of orange Powerade to white Monster? If not, you’re welcome. I bet that would be pretty good. Let’s do that. You know what else would be good? And put, put it, put in the freezer. Get a little slushy. Oh, let’s do it. We all have one tomorrow. Let’s try that. Wyatt, you in? No. Come on. You went to the mountain Dews. We can’t get you off ’em. Very light back in the mountain. Dews, whatever. Have you watched w jumped off the wagon? Yeah. He face planted. We’ve talked about this. Have you watched him drink one of those Mountain Dews lately? No. I don’t.
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I can’t see, see him crush them. Like, you know how I, I sip my stuff. They’re half the size of your sya. It’s got, I mean he’s tilted his head back. You put four of those in today and you just hear the can. Yes, exactly. He does it with authority. I own this place. If Wyatt Drake half a monster, it’d be a problem. He would be fun. He would be fun. He would be fun. But we could call him a fun Wyatt. He wouldn’t sleep for two days. Oh I know. He wouldn’t him and Case be fine. Maybe. So what do you think about White Monster and Tang? I freaking love Tang. You can’t find it anymore. You can’t hardly find it. But man, that would be good. Is there not a better drink than Tang? That would be good. No straight sugar. I think you’re going back to our childhood. Like I would say that was a treat. Say red cream soda for us Tang. That was like orange cream soda on a, on a, on a bad day. Like if it was like they didn’t have, you know, orange red cream soda. Those commercials kind of ruined it for me. Which ones were the commercials? The Tang. Oh, were they bad? The orangutans. Creepy orangutan kind creep. Yeah. I don’t remember. I wasn’t even remember that either. Was in the nineties. Yeah, we didn’t have TV back in the day. We, Mike early nineties.
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Oh Mike, we had three channels. Lemme watch tv. Yeah. So I’ve got some catch to do. Alright. I, my first I, when I was seeing the 60 40 and I saw, I was thinking maybe it was gonna be an ethical question saying have you ever tried a 60 40 mixture of Black Horn 2 0 9 and smokeless powder or something? Whoa. Who thinks of that? Only a guy that wants to live on the edge. I don’t know. I just thought that could be a good performance. Propelling what? I don’t know. Let us know if it is 60 40. Is that considered smokeless? You better throw this right there. Somebody try it. And has anybody ever checked, would somebody make you pull your ball and check the powder? I can guarantee you there isn’t a game warden in the state that would know whether it’s smokeless or not. Yeah. By looking at it. Okay. Okay. Well so we’ve opened up some ethical questions. I don’t know, like we’ve talked about. Have you done that? Don’t do it. You could kill yourself. That’s point. You could totally kill yourself. Sos that smokeless will create pressures like none other. I just thought that’s where that was maybe going. Okay. That’s the game in you. I have no gaming left in me. What do you think? There’s gaming left and no job. Why It’s got more gaming in. Why if there’s sleepless nights it’s because he’s running from the gamey.
01:02:24:27 –> 01:03:33:29
That’d be Wyatt. And not, not that he has anything to run from. Just, he’s just slightly nervous. Wyatt’s like a slightly nervous cat all the time. He never settles in at his desk. Have you guys noticed he never just settles in. He’s ready to jump. If he had to jump at any given time, he could do it. Yeah. But he also shares a window with Josh. You never know what’s gonna go down at the epic office. Alright, let’s move on. All right. Question reader guy, why are you picking and choosing? Well, ’cause I just don’t want, there’s a lot of these questions that are kind of the same. Some of ’em are. So I wanna make sure we get a good mix of stuff so guys don’t hear just like 15 questions about a deer. Alright. This is a hunting podcast. But yeah, we’ll get around to it. It just, it’s, it makes it more inter, I’m thinking of the listener. All of the things we’ve talked about deal with hunting in one way or another. Okay. Okay. Zack TV 23 says and L pure fourteens or EL ranges. And why? Man, you need both, don’t you? Like, I’m not saying say, how about both? I mean you need a chest vinyl and the fourteens are in the original pouch they came with in the bottom of my pack.
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So when you sit at the knob that you’re sharing with somebody else, you pull out the fourteens and you slap ’em on the tripod, but you’re not handholding the fourteens. So you need a handhold vinyl. And if that’s an e range, great. If you have a set, a set aside, range finder and a pair of tens, then great. Or a pair of twelves great. But you do need a chest bin and you do need a longer range bin or, or if you can afford it, it’s nice to have a longer range bin on the bottom of your pack. What do you guys think? Well what if you, I think he’s saying like one or the other. Which one do you 10 or 12, right? Is that 10 or 14? 14. Yeah. 14 el range and L pure fourteens or el ranges. They’re not really comparable. No, but I could see where like guys trying to make decision. Okay. So that’s where I dove into. Yeah. But if you’re one of the other, I, I guess you’re doing tens and you slap ’em on a tripod. I’ve done the EL ranges on a tripod. Bungee ’em to the tripod and tripod the tens. What do you guys, yeah, what do do to choose if you had to pick one or the other? For sure. I think the tens. Tens with why? Yeah. I would say tens. And you’re an EO range fan? Yep. I eeo range fan.
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And have you slapped him on a tripod? I have used them on a tripod before. I’ve used mine a lot. I’ve my fourteens or fifteens on a tripod though. Just that more magnification. I’m with you. When I sit down and really get settled in, I want, you know, some solid magnification. But if a guy’s buying one or the other today doesn’t have the money for both tens, you gotta start with the tens. Yeah, you gotta start with tens. Tens a standalone range finder and buy a vortex Pair eighteens. How about that Same money maybe. There you go. Devon’s adding it up, shaking his head. No, you’re off. All right. Okay. Okay. JM cast Anita two says, what is your guys’ go-to bullet for deer? Oh, I know what Devon and I are choosing. I shoot an ACU bond. They’re, and Wyatt, I’m a long range. You do a BLR, you right? You’re using a, you’re using a long range. I haven Ars, but I’ve there a normal Accu coupons for a long time. I like the normal Accu coupons. I haven’t heard that good of things about the long range Accu Bond holding together in a few things. But, but I haven’t tested ’em. I I’m using the regular aons, whether it be a 30 cow, whether it be the seven PRC is it for deer? For deer. You know, those acu, those el ldx is going a little bit slower. Like outta my fear.
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I’m using the el LDX and they’ve been awesome. Even elk. They’ve been awesome. Awesome. But, but then there’s people complaining. Yeah. You terrible things about those ones as well. But I think that’s when they’re souped up. And I think that’s the same probably with the ACU coupon. Long ranges. Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Well it’s a, whether it’s a burger, any of those high bcs are gonna be that same. Yeah. Yeah. The burger, same thing. You get it too fast. Yep. I shot a burger. Well anyway, I 180 going 37. Yeah. Could you imagine? Holy remember that those are grenade that was out that was outta the tejas, that little wildcat from way back. And it was no joke. It was a fist sized hole going in. Yeah. They, they, you know what I mean? But, but anyway, it was kind of fun. I, I don’t know. Speed. Speed speed kills kind of addicting. Right? He doesn’t like a little feed. Okay. Josh, what are you shooting? I’ve, I’ve always had like outta my seven mag. I like acu bonds the best. I, it just, I dunno if you can get ’em to shoot, it’s hard to find them and all these things. Yep. And then ’cause you kind of have to check a bullet for a gun sometimes. I mean, that gun, it took a lot. I shot several bullets out of it that I killed a lot of stuff with it.
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But either a shooting too fast, shooting too slow. Like you kind of have to get a, a bullet that performs good in that acu bond when I settled on it, it, it does really well. Hmm. I’ve, I’ve started shooting some of ’em that Norma Bond strike that’s similar to an Accu bond and it’s done. It’s done really well. I like it. So yeah, that’s, I think those are really good options. And you’re shooting that out of a rum, right? 300 rum. So 300 rum. I think you were using something a little bit different. You were using that blue tip? Yeah, that was the bomb strike the bond. The Norma bomb strike. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I’ve, yeah, I’ve seen it kill elk and deer and I mean, I don’t know. Yeah, it just did hammer stuff. Yeah. All right. So we’ve had good luck with that. Okay. This one comes from Tyco Alan five need a full podcast on dating tips and advice. Geez. Well we’re gonna need to, to know his love language. We need to know a few things, right? Yeah, yeah. Like we should have, we should send out a little, we should send out a little question and answer thing. You know how you have to go to the doctor’s office and fill out all the medications you’re on and any of the other elements you’ve had throughout your life and maybe some mental trauma and 14 other things.
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Give us that and then we’ll give you a little recipe for dating. He might be a single hunter guy, like, you know, in his getting to his late twenties, he might need some help. What if he’s his talked to this guy a little bit after he submitted that question because I thought it was pretty funny. Surprise. You did. Yeah. And now you guys, now you guys are meeting up. We’re we started talking now before meeting at Chili’s site. Further our next conversation. Actually we can pass that question because we’ve fully vetted that out. He’s gonna be my glassing buddy, my blind buddy. My glassing buddy. That’s right. Can I have some southwest egg rolls together? Okay. Good job. I don’t know. Be a man. Go find a woman. They don’t dunno. Like, is it that hard? Like why is it so hard? They make them every day like dad. There’s millions of ’em out there. They make, they make them every day off the freeway. They make them every day. Like, I dunno, I dunno. I don’t know. Josh, get off the internet. Go ask a girl on a date. I don’t know. He’s too old. He doesn’t say You’re just old man. I don’t know what to tell you. Pump the brakes. That’s old school thought process right there, Josh. They’d haul you down to the jail. Should we go play some Fortnite tonight? What do you wanna do? No, I wanna play cod.
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Good grief. Yeah. Gosh. Go play Cowboys and Indians. Big chief Goodness. Like poor Judson. Wow. That’s your Josh. Great advice. That’s, that’s some really good advice. I think we vetted that out very well. Let’s move on. Sorry. Ty. Ty hit me up. HMU whatever that a dm. E-H-M-U-D-M-E on the inta. Oh geez. Let’s see. Cool. Down over there. We need, we got into a sweat right there. I don’t know, I just don’t get it. This new age woke environment’s just crushing Josh. Right? I know I can’t handle it. Freak, I saw your profile. You’re kind of cute. Send me some more Ps. Yeah, swipe left please. Okay. Don’t be catfishing me, don’t you catfish me. Alright, do bucks rut J obra. Sorry. Do B rutt in the same spot every year. Wyatt, you’ve really scouted the rut heavy. I’ve scouted the rut fairly heavy, but I It was your job for 10 years. I would say for the most part, yes. I do think that sometimes weather conditions play into it as far as snow depth, things like that. But for the most part I would say, yeah, if a wintering deer or a ruing deer will return to a very similar area every year. I find that with elk too. Yeah, it feels like, like I would, we hunted specific bulls and we would wait for them to come in to a specific area that you could kill ’em in.
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Whether it be a state line, whether it be an open burn versus thick stuff, whatever. But I’m with Wyatt. I think they, they do ru now they might make a loop and sometimes we always call ’em straight lining bucks. Here’s a random book crossing in front of the headlights. It happens pretty regular in November. And you’re like, where’d he come from and where’s he going? And at some point he will have kind of a resting place if there’s a lot of those. But then sometimes some of those desert units, he does have to walk a lot. We had a buck in air in the Arizona desert and remember, do you remember those hooves when you turn ’em upside down? He had open sores. Like he had worn his a hole pad right off a hole right through the pad. I, I still have those. And it was pink around the edge. It was so sensitive. And when you would push on him, you could just, it you, I mean he was dead. Yeah. But I felt like I was hurting him, you know what I mean? Because you could just imagine if it was your foot. And so anyways, I think they do walk a lot when there’s low dough densities and they, and they’re, and they’re rutting and they’ll come from miles around and they’re, and they’re gonna keep going for miles.
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But then there’s places that they do just show up and this is where he ruts and he’s got plenty. Doesn’t need to go much more than five miles square or something like that. Is that what you’re saying Wyatt? Kind of. Yeah, no, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Anybody else have a different or a little something to add? It may not be where they winter, but like a stay over place just for two, three weeks in November. Yeah. Like I’ve seen same bucks, same place a year or two in a row. But I know they don’t winter there, so they may, yeah, I think, I think they’re same general areas. So where they, where they winter and where they run. As long as there’s two different areas, good numbers of those and whatever, you know, desert deer, it could be totally different. But do you think there’s more variation in rut location as opposed to winter location? You know, like maybe they’ll go to winter in the same place but rut is kind of wherever they find the doze or I rut is weather dependent. I could, I could see that. I’ve seen it where you’ll see bucks and it’s not a long ways when you say same area, I mean you’re talking five miles, right? Five or six miles.
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Where if, let’s say there’s a bunch of acorns that year or something and you’ve, I’ve seen it where there’s deer that don’t like live in acorns and they come down and they’ll hit an oak band or something that’s got some acorns and dough hang up there and then the buck start to rut. I’ve seen Buck stay and hang out there. ’cause that’s where the do are. Yeah. When normally there’s, there’s like say another level lower, another bench lower that if they get down there and there’s a lot of snow there, there’s no acorns there something, there’s no D there essentially. Then they’ll push down to the next level just to find the dough. But I’ve seen that where they’re in a similar area. But yeah, it is like Wyatt’s saying there is some weather factors that could keep one, but they’re, it’s not like they’re rutting on the north end of the unit this year and the south end of a unit the next year. Yes. Something like that. That’s the way I feel too. When, when you were with the division and did a lot of those collar studies, you know they, a lot of the same deer were very, had very similar habits. Right? Oh they walked the same paths. Summer, winter, I mean, you know, spring and fall and and timeframe too. It’s usually within days most of the time. Yeah. I like it. I agree with all everything that’s been said.
01:14:37:04 –> 01:15:53:13
Anybody else have anything to add? Okay, 15 residents. B Rad Rad Huw says 15 resident deer points. He’s talking to Utah here. Would you rather do a book, cliffs Rifle or Vernon Rifle? It’s a tough one. Well yeah, I think both are very, very similar. You know, I hear great numbers in the book, great numbers of deer in the book Cliffs right now and it’s definitely been with the lower tag numbers been been you know, producing better bucks than it has been. Vernon’s been kind of consistent. I mean both of ’em are one 60 to one 70 type bucks with potential for better though. I mean you’re gonna look over a lot of those that caliber buck before you find something better. In my opinion. Books has always been, in my opinion, like I would say a little bit easier to hunt and then a higher numbers e no matter what. But this point in history feels like quality is a little better than it has been. Not better than Vernon. Just better than the books has been. And maybe numbers slightly better than it has been. Is that another character? Is that what you’re feel? Yeah. You feel and there has always been some pretty remote country there on the book Cliffs. Yeah. A lot of stuff down there on the south end. Yeah. And even even the big wilderness area there too, that’s a little bit tougher to access or get into a surprise.
01:15:53:15 –> 01:16:58:14
Buck might come outta the book Cliffs more so than off the Vernon. You know, maybe it’s, you know, but Vernon on average over the course of the last 20 years, would you guys say has the off the off potential to produce a next level giant in comparison? Yeah, I would say Vernon’s probably over the last couple years has produ or the last couple years or the last decade or whatever produced more next level type deer consistently than the books. Yeah, there’s a lot more competition for feed and space and everything. I mean you gotta elk buy and deer, everything there on the boat, but, but you don’t have guys that finish a book Cliffs hunt and, and not be somewhat satisfied. People like to see deer, they like to have fun and the books you, you’re gonna see deer and you’re gonna have fun on the books. You know. And maybe you could say that about Vernon too, but I feel like people go to the Vernon with fairly high expectations and come away not dissatisfied but not fully satisfied. I don’t know. Is that, yeah, it’s a, it’s a giant unit with a lot of desolate country in between and sometimes was bigger deer found solo in the desert. It seems like a mental, a real mental unit.
01:16:58:20 –> 01:18:00:18
Yeah, a lot of guys have told me that like man, it was, you know, hadn’t seen the deer in two weeks and then there he is kind of a thing. I think this also goes into play where we were talking about people. It’s easy to be at the office and say I want a giant and talk giant and always say that I want big and I’m gonna hold out for big. But then when it comes right down to it, when people see a one 70 buck or whatever, 1 65, 1 75, they’re kind of, they’re happy. They’re people like seeing good solid, even finding mature bucks this day and age is somewhat of a challenge. It feels like. You know what I mean? And so when you do see ’em, you’re like man, kind of like when we were down there in New Mexico with that on Adams hunt last year and you know, we spot this buck that’s deep forked and spindly, but we stopped all three trucks or whatever it was. Right? And we’re gonna get video of this box. Yeah. We all stopped talking like yeah. And this thing’s as big around as this pin right here. He was a pretty deer. He was a pretty deer. It was gonna, it’s probably an amazing deer here next year. Probably maybe this year, but for sure next year. But we all stopped. We needed to figure out how to get video.
01:18:00:18 –> 01:19:13:12
It’s one of the best bucks we had seen of the year. Right. Tell me I’m wrong. It’s true. It mean it stopped your heart for a sec. It’s, you’re kind of half excited. Maybe Breathless would characterize Jo, Josh or Wyatt. Anyway, so, so for you three, if it were your 15 points, where would you put it? If you had to make a decision? And this is for rifle, this the rifle. Rifle. I can remember Rifle. I’m not gonna answer it. You guys answer it. So that’s your one. Are you, are you using your one pass dev? I don’t know. You know that Colorado border does call my name a little bit, but I have a ba but it doesn’t feel right to to for me to hunt the books. Like I just feel like it hasn’t produced enough for the next level dear to really think that I have to go to bed thinking when I wake up in the morning I might see an absolute monster. Like that’s the way kind of, that kind of drives me a little bit. And I don’t feel that with that. But I know there probably is that potential and that Colorado border does call my name slightly. Okay. Wyatt? I would probably on, he’d do Vernon, no question. Yeah, Vernon. Yeah. And that’s where I should be too. But I don’t want to answer it. Josh. Go ahead.
01:19:14:03 –> 01:20:28:01
I I would probably lean towards the Vernon just, I dunno for that potential scouted it and like you said, sometimes it seems like it’s, what if it was archery or muzzle? It’s hard to beat those early season hunts in the book Cliffs. There’s just a lot of deer and it’s fun there it goes. Back you to that you would have fun. And quite frankly why the last year or two, I think there’s potential at seeing something cool. Yeah. Next level. Devin has haunted it, not deer right, but for For elk. Elk, yeah. I dunno what would you do The bucks all over that place when I was there 2011. Did you have fun? Had a blast. It was over too soon. I’m telling. Yes. And then get this opening day right. Did the elk hunt and the deer hunt were the same. And we go out there and I’m like, where’s everybody? It was weird. Wow. I don’t know. There was bucks everywhere. Were you on last year the regulation cycle from the year prior? Or were you at a, because you know they do have a day difference. It’s possible. Devin, it wasn’t in season, it was 2011. It’s possible. It wasn’t season was not on ya. I looked at my tag. It was that weird. When’s the statute of limitations? How seven years? Isn’t it? I don’t know. Get a poach bear award permit from Devin in 2011. Alright, let’s move forward.
01:20:29:09 –> 01:21:51:10
These are kind of, I mean here’s, this one’s a different one. Hound crazy underscore says thoughts on hounds scaring away game when big game hunting season or when big. Hold on. Thoughts on hounds scaring away big game when big game hunting the same canyon. Yeah. This is being asked by who? A hound. A hound hounds a hounds man. And it is there, there is that issue. Oh yeah. I don’t, I don’t think, I guess my personal opinion is I don’t think that they’re running deer outta the country and you’ll never see that deer again. No type of stuff. I don’t think that’s happening. But I’ve seen it even just this summer was you could wound a deer and it comes back into water. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I I I know from experience just glass in this summer sitting there glass, it was just starting to get perfect glass and some milk and all of a sudden Yeah. Somebody, somebody started baying a a bear somewhere. Yeah. And those, I mean those elk all lifted their heads and they were, I mean we were, they were a mile away and they all lifted their heads and just eased off into the trees. ’cause it was pretty crazy. I’m not, I mean whatever I, they heard they were back there the next morning. But it was the Mexican wolves they were worried about. Yeah, there was, there was, there was some, there was some concern there.
01:21:51:18 –> 01:23:04:04
So I don’t know. It’s hard. What I think’s hard is to give everybody their own individual unique season. And do we support hound hunting? Absolutely. Yep. And so it’s not, I think we gotta just be tolerant. I also think if a guy’s just out running to run and he’s not, you know what I mean? Like you’re just running your dogs to run ’em and you’re not necessarily hunting or something like that. I don’t, I guess maybe you yield to, to a guy that has this special tag that you get once every 15 or 20 years plus. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, and maybe have some etiquette. Goes back to John. Yeah. Maybe you have a little bit of etiquette now when you let the dogs go, can you control ’em after that? It’s tough. Right. And so there’s just some give and take and understanding there. But to have a hounds man, there’s been this intentionally run through hunters because they just are looking for conflict. It feels like. I don’t think they are then, then I guess that would be tougher. But we absolutely support the hessman. Yeah. And we, and you can’t give a unique season for, for every single variety of hunter there is. So that you’re gonna have a, you’re gonna have a little work around there. What do you think? Why? I would agree. It’s kind of long along those lines. Yeah.
01:23:04:15 –> 01:24:11:16
Have you ever been messed up by hounds? I have been. And some of your best friends are Hounds men. Yep. So it’s kind. So it just kind of is what it is. Right? It is what it is. We all gotta share the mountain somehow. Yeah. Yeah. I like, I like hounds men. I wish they would kill more predators. Females, why don’t they want, why don’t they kill a female? They kill, kill the females. They’re like you. The same reason why you don’t wanna kill a dough. I can’t bring myself to do it though. So it’s the same thing. They gotta chase if they kill. Yep. Well hopefully there’s less to chase. We’re all about killing the predators, but I get it. And they’re all about conserving and, and saying that, you know, it oh, keeps populations healthy and, and that there’s a healthy balance. And I think there’s truth, some truth to all of it sides. They want a big old Tom or a big old board. Just like we want a big old buck. So Yeah, it’s true. Yep. All right. How many more do you wanna do? Well, we’re about done, but if you got anything that we can finish or off on? How about, let’s see, let’s find one specifically to Jason. No, no, there’s several. Oh, let’s do that. Come on, let’s find one right here. You already used your pass? I believe so. Yeah.
01:24:11:16 –> 01:25:34:07
When was my, I didn’t, I actually answered the question. Shut up. Something about Colorado over shut up. Like yeah, my, I’d be on Vernon, but that place sucks. It’s, I kinda like Colorado, but you know, Colorado sucks too. So I wish guy, I wish guys would’ve sent more strictly for Adam so that we could answer for him. Answer for him. I do wish that was the case. Yeah, there we go. And Bryant 76 says, why does Jason not like killing 200 inch deer anymore? Haven’t seen one for a bit from him. Oh, oh B people are brutal. Yeah, brutal. Yeah. A it proves I don’t poach because I’d have a few. All right. BI think in general. So yeah, the last one I killed was in 20 19, 2 20 in Nevada. But then since then we all know about the story of, I, I didn’t get one that I shot at. Didn’t even hurt him and I 14 explanations for that. We’ve had that aired that out on the podcast. So it’s not like it’s been the, the only one that I’ve been in contact with. But, but I think in general, and this is something we can all chime in on, I just feel like times are tougher than they’ve ever been. So I don’t wanna blame myself, but I can blame myself. But then on top of that is I’ve hunted as hard or harder than I’ve ever hunted.
01:25:34:18 –> 01:26:50:07
But I think I’m also, I’ve had a mindset change personally, just, this is just me, but I’m trying to put myself in places that I have that chief experience some point in my life again before I die. Or a possibility of putting my hands on something that literally takes your breath away. And so then you’re hunting these weirdest, the weirdest garbage places in the world. More so than what you where, you know, you could kill or, or, or hunt or even that has 200 inch potential when you’re going for the absolute gold. Then you put yourself in weird places. And in my mind, and then there’s places that we, and Wyatt and I talked about this a little bit. Like you, you, I don’t want to call it romantic ’cause this podcast has gone down a couple of those roads. But I fantasize about where would I want to kill a chief type buck there. I don’t want to kill a chief type buck at the top of, of the Wyoming range. Like that’s not my place. You know what I mean? So if I’m in the desert in where there’s less people and I’m, and I’m my, I’ve got cotton mouth and I haven’t drank water for three hours, that means something to me. You know what I mean? And so then you’re putting yourself out and you’re not just any, anyway, I don’t know if that even makes sense, but there’s less of them.
01:26:50:07 –> 01:28:00:11
Where’s Colorado compared to where it once was? Right? Yeah. So as time’s gone along, it feels like we’re better at hunting. We’re we’re better hunters, we’re better with information and game and fish is better. And Josh, you could answer to this too a little bit. Just better at managing right to the line, right to the wire of x amount of bucks per hundred dose and x amount of average age class. And they’re trying to offer more opportunity. And so we’re constantly in that battle of opportunity versus quality. So I just feel like it’s tougher than it’s ever been. For those that don’t know, tell us what, you know the chief level is. Well, I mean chief chief was 2 75. Why? It scored it. Yeah. Yes. Phenomenal. And that was a year, that 2 65 that you killed in Arizona. Yeah, but I mean, but and that was, yeah, back in the day. I’m just saying a two 50 plus or something. Like where can, it feels like none of them exist and when they do they’re, they’re dead. But I’m just saying like where could a guy with a regular tag, not a governor tag, go potentially find one in the next 20 to 30 years? ’cause in 30 years I’m dead. For sure. Especially with these white ones right here. These white monsters. Because you can only need so many prenatals when you’re 80. You’re not supposed to take prenatals.
01:28:01:12 –> 01:29:09:27
So I’m just saying like, where, where are we gonna have that kind of experience? Why you’re thinking the same thing. Devon, Josh, John, we are all thinking the same thing. We, you want to have that experience. But, but anyway, so my, my not expectations have changed, but just I’m willing to go without That’s what I was gonna say. You you have to be willing to fail when you’re doing Yes. When you’re in those kind of places. Yeah, I know. I’m gonna fail. Yeah. I already know I’m gonna fail and, and you guys know what I’ve scouted why you’ve been with me a bit. We are, we’re scouting together and stuff like, you know, there’s just things you just keep working in weird places and trying and trying and trying. And then when I did find a buck that I wanted and I did snag his sheds, he’s lying crap. He didn’t even show back up. Right. So by the time you about get figured out, you got, you do have, I know where he summered, I know where he winter and now he’s dead. I didn’t have the opportunity to make good on the knowledge that it took. You know what I mean? Yeah. He just came of age, he threw a big set their next level mass, their next level weight in, in, in on the scale. And then you’re like, hey, this is it. This is the buck, you know, this is the buck.
01:29:10:12 –> 01:30:15:10
And then he doesn’t show back up. So I don’t know where to go with it after that. You know, and then we’ve just failed against other hunters. Like there’s a buck that lived last year. Right. And so, well he, he lived, you know, I don’t know what to say. I suck, you know, so Well anyway, find the other question on there Josh. Well no, I want you guys to add on to that. Well I think, I think with social media we see the highlight reel. Yep. So we think that everybody out there is killing 200. Insure there’s a lot of ’em to go around and all that stuff. You have to sit back and think about what tags we’ve already seen some giant bucks, some giant bulls coming out this year. What tags are killing those bulls? I’m not speaking anything ill towards those tags. I’m just saying you start seeing those bucks statewide tags. Yeah. Some statewide type tags. Or you see, you know, outfitters that are posting pictures from the best units in each state. You know, that’s, that’s where these tags are coming from. Those of us at this table. Some of ’em we’re never even gonna have a chance to get some of those type of tags and most guys will get those tags and not kill those kind of bucks. Even like it is, it is legitimately hard to, to find right now.
01:30:15:27 –> 01:31:12:04
I think it may have been easier years and years and years ago, but now it’s legitimately harder to kill those kind of bucks on the standard or types of tags that most guys get or the tags that we can get in the, at this table. And and do you think management plays into that versus five to 10 years ago? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And it’s every state. Every state for the most part. Do you think the states are better at managing for opportunity? ’cause that’s what it feels like. They all want. That’s what a lot of ’em have gone to. Nevada’s an exception. I mean, they’re doing a buck to door ratio of 30 to 35. But, but, but we can’t get those tags in those and when you can, you don’t have it on the perfect year, which is one every four that throws that kind of buck. That’s what I was just gonna say. We’ve been dealing with droughts, winters, I mean like yes. Nothing has been on the deer side it feels like for years. Yeah. And you, and it’s just because you haven’t posted a picture of a 200 here. They assume I’m not hunting some of the videos, some of the videos and some of that stuff of the pictures that you’ve sent us and we’re like, why are you passing that buck?
01:31:12:05 –> 01:32:21:05
Like 99% of dudes would’ve killed that buck and, and it would’ve been a great, but then like we’ve all learned Wyatt, you know, nothing’s, everything’s fair game when you post it on the gram. Somebody saw your truck in some weird spot and now you’ve given up that buck. And I think, I think you’ve said it best de Devin, you never post a live animal. Never have, I don’t think why, what good is it gonna do you? Yeah, but it’s not, it’s fun. Sorry everybody, I don’t provide you any cool content of live animals, but it doesn’t do me any good, but it’s so fun. It is. I I should do better. But yeah, I just seen it happen. Yeah. You know, you know, I like doing so bad. Things happen too many times. Josh throws stuff up there and we and me we’re like, Josh, what are you doing? Okay, stop. And it makes people just, just makes it, it makes makes people spend all day trying to figure out what you’re doing. I love it. It’s all about me. It’s all about us. No, I just, I just love it. Like, people that like, ’cause you could post something that’s so innocent and it’ll like, people spend all day trying to think about or put something together or whatever. I wanna be the guy you passed driving down the road and whoever sees me, he’s like, what is that guy doing out here?
01:32:21:19 –> 01:33:36:24
He’s in a Prius. Like what is he doing? He’s got a window mount. It’s his epic on it. He must be lost. I wanna be that guy. Oh, what’s your favorite scouting car, Josh? The greenliner. What, what is it? Yeah, it works good. Yeah. ’cause most people don’t know. Well, so Wyatt, maybe do you want to add on to it? Like the, what you’ve seen over the years, maybe availability or, yeah, we just don’t have the deer on the landscape. We want to have just with these tight management strategies and, and you know, drought, weather conditions, everything like that. Just the deer numbers aren’t there. Even on these limited entry or more special tags. 200 inch deer’s tough to do, let alone on a general deer. I remember. So we’re seeing a highlight of the Henry’s San Juan Ponson Oak Creeks, for example, just in our state. Right? So what does it take to get a tag like that? And what is it gonna cost you if you’re not gonna wait to draw that one tag in your lifetime? What, what are you looking to pay in, you know what I mean? 60 to a hundred thousand. That’s what I was gonna say. 60 to one 20. And who here at the table’s gonna do that? Cash. I think. I think there’s a different, I think cash money. Cash money, cash money. No, no, no cash.
01:33:38:14 –> 01:34:51:11
So anyway, I just think there’s, that’s, that’s telling you when, when you have prices like that, in my mind, that directly correlates to how many are on the landscape or lack thereof. The demand is off the charts, you know? Yep. And so, but anyways, guys that are killing 200 inches on generals, you have all those, all my respect in the world, if you, if you’re doing it legitimately and there are guys, but they’re not killing ’em each and every year either. So I don’t know what else to say. I, I, I’ve killed more than my fair share and the Lord’s probably saying you’re gonna hang her up soon, boss. So you’ve killed your, you’ve killed your, you’ve killed your allotment. So that’s the perfect segue to the last question of this podcast. Donkey Hopper Dropper wants to know Donkey hopper. Dropper. Dropper. I like that. Show me this drop buck we’re talking about. He wants to know exactly how many 200 inch bucks Jason has killed. Yeah, I dunno. I mean, Wyatt’s gotta score him. He’s the official scorer. I’ve scored a few of ’em for sure. No, I think it’s a good follow up to, you know, someone throwing a little shade that you haven’t killed any in quite a while, but well put ’em in their place. Do you, do you know exactly? No, I don’t know exactly. You don’t exactly.
01:34:51:17 –> 01:35:56:15
I mean, it’s, I don’t know, it would be, well, you know, probably 23 or 24 of ’em or something. But it’s, but so there was times that it goes back to, I don’t even, I don’t even, we might edit that out. I don’t even really want to talk about that necessarily. Like, so, you know, I hunted Mexico. We, we had a great time. We got, you know, when I went to Mex, it’s kind of follows into what we decided to do. I hunted it with Marvin, the, the late Marvin James. And, and we had a lease. And when we passed a deer, we knew we would see it the next year, you know what I mean? It was all low fence. There’s not even a high fence in the near 60 miles. But we could control the, the variables that we could control. Couldn’t control the weather, couldn’t control the rain, but over the course of time, we would have our chances. And so I killed a few of them there. I don’t remember how many, but, you know, three or four of ’em or something, you know. And then same thing, we would hunt places we knew, so I’d hunt ’em, you know, with landowner tags. They, or draw tags like killed several on the, the general or got really lucky in Colorado when Colorado was good. You know what I mean?
01:35:56:15 –> 01:37:08:21
When Colorado was, was good and, you know, and so just made sure I was there each year and killed one in, in Idaho and, and you know, anyway, in a number of states. But I think generally going to places that, you know, going to places that you can hunt multiple times and doing it at the right era. And I remember the guys I looked up to, we’ve talked about these guys, we named them the other day. Wyatt, or, or yeah, we named these guys that would, that would, that would tell me that heydays over, I hunted in the heyday. You were born in the wrong era. And I would be like, and I told him, and I remember specifically there, this one guy specifically said, there are deer dying of old age somewhere and I just need to find where they’re dying of old age. And so, you know, that started up the desert and all of that for me in my mind. And then you, and then the history knowing that there’s these genetics and even though it’s the desert and it’s arid, it has this potential because there’s history, you know, kills specific kills and bucks that were entered in the book or whatever. And then you start going Kate, then once you have that knowledge base and then you have the conviction they’re there, then it keeps you going it.
01:37:08:26 –> 01:38:09:27
And then when the wet years come, you’re standing there and, and you, and you take advantage of it. But they told me the heyday was over then the heyday for me and my era came and then now I’m telling everybody and y’all that the heyday is over, over. And then the new generations coming in and being like, well, we’ll pick up the torch and we’re gonna show you that there’s deer dy of old age somewhere. And, but I feel like tags are harder than ever to come by. That’s harder than ever to hunt year after year in the same places. Draws are hard or tougher than they’ve ever been. The the, the cash money required to circumvent the draw is higher than ever and, and all of these things. And so it just, you know, I don’t wanna paint a picture of doom and gloom ’cause there’s good things to be having. I was talking to a guy, some of these archery and stuff like this in Idaho reminds you that there are things you can do. There’s always gonna be something to somewhere to hunt old deer that are dyna old age. But it does take next level dedication. Chime in. What do you guys think? You guys, you guys are all part of this.
01:38:09:27 –> 01:39:34:24
Like you’ve, you’ve hunted with me and, and we’ve all hunted together and you’ve all been part of the process of helping others get tags while in license app and things like that. And, and you’ve guided, you guys have guided and killed big deer yourselves. So multiple big deer. What do you, what’s your thoughts as well? I, I agree. You know, we’ve probably seen the heyday of our lifetime. I hope not. I mean, I, I keep hoping it’s gonna get better and be a, you know, 2010 to 20 15, 20 16 type type years. Again, even up into, you know, 2019 was a phenomenal year. That was kind of the, the last of what I thought was a really phenomenal year for mule deer, which was the last year I killed a big deer on a draw tag. Yeah. Out of Vegas. But 2019 was next level, but we did have some a low right between that right before that. Yeah. Yeah. And then we’ve had a couple of decent years that, you know, since then, but not like prior. Yeah. Nothing. Not like a 2016 in Nevada or a 2019 Yeah. Or 2017 in Utah. Feels like wasn’t 2017 next level. Yeah, it was good. Was that year we both killed there wasn’t it? Was that same year? Yep. What were they again? Remind me His was two 30 something, wasn’t it? Yeah, 2 34. 2 2 0 4 or something. You both killed them the same year. General units general.
01:39:35:16 –> 01:40:44:12
Yours was general. General how and but awesome stuff. And so how was that your last 200? Why, why aren’t you killing more two hundreds? I, I love, I’m gonna flip this question. Well, I would like to know Devin, when your last 200 was and why you haven’t killed one since. Well, that’s what I was gonna say is it’s okay not to kill one for four years if that’s the bar you set. Yeah. And if you’re gonna stick to that, it’s the rarity of tags plus finding a, a buck of that quality and killing and getting them on the ground in a general season. Yeah. Or not even a regular draw season. Just a regular season. Yeah. Tag the tags. I get pretty well generals, you know. Yeah. But, and I could say I should have let mid eighties bucks go, you can’t kill two hundreds if you’re killing one 90 or whatever. But I think you’re, I think you’re really good at hunting places, you know, as often as you can. So like in Nevada you have places, you know. Right. And you’re concentrating on those, you would go to new areas too. Yeah. But I feel like even the general in Utah, there’s places, you know, versus places I know versus places Josh knows. Right.
01:40:44:12 –> 01:41:49:01
And you’re doing what we’re doing, you’re hunting places, you know, and I probably won’t kill a general deer for who knows how many years, 10 it could be, but a 10 year project, right. Like I look at some of this stuff. It could, and I’m okay with that if that’s, you know, I’m okay. I, Wyatt and I talked too the other day. Like I look at some of this stuff as a five to 10 year plan and then, and and can you imagine if you added up all the gas mileage, wear and tear? Yeah. Maybe the front end on DW after we got done with it, you know what I mean? Okay, so why, when was your last 200 and and why do you feel like mine was less than 300 days ago? Yeah, I was gonna say that’s true. That’s right. That’s not even fair. And it was two, it was two 20. Why? It’s a regular consistent smash and grab of giants still, I reset the calendar so they can’t ask poacher comes to mind other than we absolutely know he didn’t. But it took me 21 years to draw that tag. So very, you, you attribute to a special draw tag. Yeah. I think also Wyatt, you’re good at picking the right year to use those 21 points. You had, you had thought about that.
01:41:49:09 –> 01:42:55:07
I would say you thought about that no less than five times a day for the prior 150 days. A minimum to have applying. Tell me I’m wrong, you’re a hundred percent right. Correct. It was on my mind all the time. Correct. And you were judging what has been killed that it was off the radar and that it hadn’t had a good urine X amount of years. So you were judging in your mind, the age class has to be there when the water’s there. I’m there. Yeah. It was a, a lot of homework and research and just to make up my mind, it was a unit that I was really familiar with, but I, I’d kind of written it off for a handful of years too. Yeah. So I mean it just, and so the year that it comes back makes the comeback. You were there. I was, yeah. I was fortunate to be there. So lucky I had the points to, to go that year and good friends to help me kill a great buck. Yeah. So why are you says it’s time to go. You go, you go. Yeah. You And that’s to attribute to like how Wyatt is? Yeah. Why? It’s very calculated. Very calculated. Like I mean we all, we also like, we have two eggs. Yeah. They’re over medium, between over easy and over medium. Okay. Yeah.
01:42:55:14 –> 01:44:03:15
And I think that’s something, I have a wheat toast and I show up at the office at 6 29. Exactly. Yep. I think that’s something that people need to need to do. Like you kind of have to be like that in today’s era. Yeah. Like you have to be kind of calculated to figure out what you’re doing. Yeah. You can’t, I think he, I mean you get the guy that, and I think why and why it’s connected. He Yeah. You know, I think he’s paying attention to, you know, but being connected, you, you have this feeling of the, of the age class and the potential and we know that nobody’s paying attention here. The forgotten stuff. There’s always forgotten stuff. Yep. Alright. Josh, when was your last two hun? And why? When are you gonna kill another one or what are you doing? What are you doing about it? I don’t know. It was, yeah, 2018 bad year for the most part, but it was just, yeah, general season. I don’t know. You just have to try and get as many tags and be out there as much as you can. Yeah. I guess is the thing. There’s, it’s hard to get these special tags and you can’t even plan on it in a way.
01:44:03:24 –> 01:45:08:00
So you kind of have to, I’d say do you just apply and hunt as much as your budget will let you, as much as your family will let you, you know, as much as you can and where you can and stuff that makes sense and try and do like Wyatt is doing and think outta the box on some things. And sometimes you just have to just be somewhere, you know, you might, you might, it might not be a great year or whatever. You almost have to be just be there on the bad years to make sure you’re, there’re on the good years sometimes. I like this law of averages. I, some of the guys that are successful that I know of, of let’s just call ’em consistently successful. It’s not every year, but they take the good with the bad and they stick with it. That’s what I was telling, like Wyatt, we were out in the hills and I was like, my problem if like, if I could identify a problem that I have Jason has is i’ll, I like, I’ll, I’ll, I like to learn new areas, so it’s okay to jump around in Colorado because I’m not hunting the same bucks. I’m not prec scouting or anything like that. I’m hunting the rut, third season, winter range, whatever.
01:45:08:03 –> 01:46:19:05
And so, but on generals I should be hunting the same general as often as possible the same stuff and take the good with the bad when they’re bad, you’re scouting for the next year when they’re good, you’re killing the bucks you find. But even Colorado, I think the same kind of thing. The guys that are doing the best over there, the guys that are taking the good with the bad, just hunting the unit. This is my unit. They know I know it better than anybody and I’m gonna be here every, they know where they’re going opening day before they even get there. Usually there’s off on have this tag, I’m gonna be there. Yeah. Truth to that ain’t John, are we missing anything that makes you successful? No, I don’t. Hunters in general, and I guess I can bring this up, but I mean, not everybody here has killed the 200 inch or I haven’t killed the 200 inch. Yeah. You know, my biggest deer is 1 91 and you know, I’m still hoping for the 200 inch or, but yeah. And, and I think I also like, you know, I passed my hunter safety at 28, you know, didn’t start. So maybe some of you out there that start late, you know, it’s start late, you get into it anyway. Whatever. Start whenever. Yeah. So, but yeah, so I, I don’t, I haven’t got my, you know, fill of 1 75 inches yet.
01:46:19:13 –> 01:47:25:18
I guess, you know, you’d smash one every time it’s standing in front of you, just man, something, something gets me excited, you know? Yeah. But, but like last two years in Colorado, you, you get some extra cheaters and stuff, but I did basal tank. I did hold out until the last day, you know? Yes. Hold out until the last day. And then we get excited about it here, smash, smash and it’s like, yeah, let’s, let’s fill the freezer. So yeah. I like it. Cash. We missing anything? No, I think, I mean obviously you guys are older than me and Logan and whatever, but I think a lot of kids like my age, they get, they get this feeling that they’re, they’re never gonna see a heyday. And so they take, they’re like, there’s, they’re like John, like there’s 1 75, they’re like, I’m smashing that thing. I might not see another one all year. You know? And so, and I think a lot of kids that are younger need to know like, it’s okay, like get your fill and then go for bigger and better and yeah. And then learn how to pass ’em. Like I think that’s something for me this year is this year’s, I, for me, I feel like is a, is gonna be a learning year of learning how to pass bucks that I in the past would’ve smashed.
01:47:26:13 –> 01:48:32:03
And so that is what, that’s kind of my goal for the year is to learn how to pass bucks that I should pass. So that’s kind of what I’m looking, looking forward to. That’s awesome. Yeah. So, and I will say I probably made a mistake and passed some deer early on in that hunt last year for of mine. That would’ve been a lot bigger than, yeah. Yeah. But I don’t know that it was a mistake. Could’ve could have saw an absolute giant on the last day. Yeah. And I, I have no regrets. And you learn, you learn more on that hunt than you would’ve smashed on opening day. Learned a lot more learned country, learned yourself prepping for next year. So cash, you’ve been scouting a lot, like you’re prepping for next year? Yeah, I’ve, yeah. Yeah. Like it’s a unit. I haven’t, it’s a new season on a new unit that I’m hunting and it’s something like if I don’t kill a deer, if it doesn’t work out, I’m fine with that. Yeah. Because I’m learning for future years when I can hopefully have the tag on there that I want and, and hopefully make good on that. So I’m okay to knock, kill a deer this year. Yeah. Because I have other tags too. And that’s what I like it, like Josh said, have tags, get the tags you can afford and what you can do and make the best of, of every situation.
01:48:32:11 –> 01:49:52:24
I feel like this is the podcast of promises and admission and renewal. A renewal, right? What, what, what are you gonna do to do better? Gonna go learn my love languages. All this therapy session we’ve been say why he’ll get home. I’m gonna be out there mowing his lawn. He’s gonna love you forever. Then he’ll gimme a gift and I’ll regift it to Josh and then he’s gonna give you, Josh, he’s gonna give you a big old hug. He’s gonna give you a little affirmation. We’re all gonna buy Josh a piece of hunting gear. Here’s a porcupine pallet. We’re gonna buy zip ties for the sleeping bags. Make sure that everybody’s got a zip zipped up sleeping bag. Exactly. Zip tie your zipper every night. I I could, I’ll I’ll reveal a secret. I’m gonna be on a cot. Whoa. There you go. Whoa. A lightweight. So good luck guys. Got a little elevation lightweight. Are you buying it when you get there or you up with it? Sacrifice a little weight. Oh, that’s fine. For comfort. It’s a five pounder. No kidding. That’s not bad. All right, so Devin, I he’s bringing the tent cup put inside the tent. I wish. That’d be great. I talked a, I talked a little bit for you, but why don’t you give us what you think on mul deer real quick and that’ll finish this up as a whole. I think you guys nailed it.
01:49:52:24 –> 01:50:54:12
It’s hard right now. It’s hard right now, but I think people just need to remember like better days are probably gonna come, you know what I mean? Hopefully. I think too, I really do. We, we forget how bad the drought was in some of these desert areas and then all of a sudden that 2017 comes right Josh? And all of a sudden you, there was bucks everywhere. That’s the division where he rose. That’s how it happened. That’s how, that’s why some of those years were so good because we had, they got age, but they did, didn’t look like they had age tag tip tags were low. It kind of snuck up and surprised everybody. Yeah. And I could see that right now with the amount of bucks that we’re seeing. I mean, there’s, oh, there’s bucks, bucks, bucks. Yeah. There’s piles of bucks. They’re all young. The overall number of deer is way down, but it’s in a resurgent and if if tags don’t just all of a sudden blow out of the roof, we kill ’em all right. Now we could see some really good years in the next few. That’s what I’m thinking. I was telling Jason too, like some of these areas I’ve spent a lot of time in, even when I didn’t have a tag and like, I’ve never seen this many fawns. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way ever. Like, not even close. I feel the same way.
01:50:55:11 –> 01:52:02:05
I feel the same way. So nothing to, to do something to remember has everything to do with weather. Yeah. It’s just Exactly. You know, they needed a break. Yeah. Yeah. So I don’t know. I think there’s ups and downs in everything and, but when the up years hit, then you need to be prepped and your down year knowledge, you done your scouting, your knowledge you learned from your down years is gonna carry over to that. And it’s gonna be like you did years, you don’t even realize, realize how much that’s worth on a good year. Right. But okay. And, and we hunt for ourselves, right. So I’m not answering to anybody, like if I don’t want to kill a buck, I’m not gonna kill a buck. Like, you know what I mean? It’s like we hunt for us, you know, not necessarily for Instagram or, or the magazine or whatever. Although it is nice to learn tons of units to help our members and, and we want to help ’em as much as we can. I love learning new stuff in everywhere except for some states, I guess California something. All right. Do we have anything else? Could we please let this end? It’s an hour and 55 minutes. Okay. Are we good? No, we probably should stop. I probably start offending more people. Probably. Good. Do you have, did you have another offensive thought? Do you have anything about Beaver today? No. Beaver County.
01:52:02:14 –> 01:53:20:24
You’re gonna let lay out lay low once. Yeah, I think you let loose pretty good earlier. Be a man Joshua. I feel like I know, I know for a fact your wife made the first move though, so you can’t tell any of us to be, oh, whoa. No, no. I went to Beaver County. I don’t know. I feel like they’ve shunned me slightly just because of you a little bit. It’s tense. I had to scrape the epic sticker off my truck, so I’d stopped getting stuff thrown at me. Yeah, things are just a little different there now. They’re gonna be better off. Geez. Actually, beaver County, they, they produce some of the hardest hunters there is. I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna lie. Leave everybody with that. All right. Okay. All right, everybody go get you some tags and let’s make the best out of 2024. Let’s face it, if your goal is to kill big stuff, you need to draw quality tags. Quality tags are typically hard to draw. To increase your odds of drawing good tags you need to apply in multiple states. That’s where an Epic Outdoors membership can help. For only 150 bucks a year, you get access to our consultants, our online tools, and to Epic approved outfitters and members only optics discounts. With unlimited access to our team of consultants and access to the Epic Outdoors magazines. Applying in multiple states is easy.
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