EP 118: Applying in Nevada, Montana, and Kansas

Limited resource, which means limited tags. Some of them also have a November archery hunt, which is a unique opportunity. Non-residents can now apply for unit 162, 163. Get more out of your license purchase. Anything to do with Western big game. Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter and Adam Bronson coming at you from I'm Southern Utah here in Cedar City. So, anyway, starting off this podcast, we kind of wanted to go over the April issue, which everybody's just getting in the mail right now. It contains Nevada, Kansas, Montana. Of course, it has a bunch of different stories and all kinds of things in there. We do have some guaranteed hunts, meaning hunts with guaranteed tags. Of course, Jeff, John here in the office deals with our outfitters that have those tags.

And so, anyway, we do have a little section on that. You can kind of see what's coming available. Before we get started, we want to thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast. We appreciate them and their support. They're getting cranking. I've been talking to them at length and planning their hunts. We've got a lot of things in store as far as products coming at you here in the next few months. So, anyway, be watching on UA.com, and you can kind of check out what they've got going. So, anyway, Bronson, what are we going to start off this podcast? Well, let's talk about Nevada. It's probably the most exciting. Since it is a legal gambling state, the one, I guess, downer is that their drawing odds are about like gambling. They're terrible. I mean, they're rough. They're terrible. But you just got to keep putting the money in and pulling the handle.

The upside to Nevada is when you've got something, when you get something, you've really got something good, usually. There you go. For all species. I like that. Deer, elk, they're stellar. Desert bighorn sheep are awesome. I love it. California bighorn sheep, even antelope. Those of you that like to hunt, as Jason calls it, the truck chasers, they've got them for you there in Nevada. We're gonna be chasing some of them. I even applied for them. Did you already apply? True story. Oh yeah, I crushed it. Okay, good. Well, by the end of the podcast, Jason, I'm sure will let us know all the units he's applied for. Come on. Because I have not applied, so I'm not withholding anything because I haven't done it yet. But, you know. Oh, good grief. Here we go.

But the one thing worth pointing out, it seems like we've gotten more calls earlier this year. Nevada, they opened their application period, well, maybe two weeks earlier, it feels like. Rocked and rolled, got things out the door, pushed live, even though they extended their application deadline two weeks later. Yeah, it goes until April 29th now. That's right. So, it's barely April, and people are, you know, hungry, hungry to put in. They kind of got a new system where they're working with what we call Cal Calme. I don't know how you pronounce it, but anyway, we talk about Cal Calme here in our office. It's an awesome new system. It kind of sucked there for a minute, but once you got used to it, it's nice. One thing about it, Adam, I mean the- Plug and play. Is that what you're going to say? Yeah, we get to plug and play. We can amend at free of charge, at will, every day if we want.

Yeah. I go in and change units all the time. It doesn't charge you a fee. You don't have to even withdraw and reapply. Sleep on it. See how you feel the next day about it. One of the things that I really liked was they have your units that you applied for last year come right up. So, you can see where you're at, and you're like, well, I want to change this, I want to change that. But it's not like, I've got to go look up what I applied for last year and try to remember. It's all right there. It is a feature. It is kind of nice. If you were just going to do the same old thing, you can plug and play, right? In fact, in the very end, they even have your card there. If you're too lazy to get out your new card,

You can use your old card, just hit submit, see if it goes. And another thing is last year, by default, they put you on auto-renew for their hunting license. How about that? So, a lot of people are calling us saying, hey... So nice. That's so nice of them. You know, what am I getting these charges for Nevada? It's March 14th for. I don't know. You might want to hunt a cottontail. I don't know. But, you know, you bought a license, and they do have, there's a drop-down auto-renew options. You can unclick that after you're done applying. You can go unclick it so you have the control of your own destination. The one thing we did, you can unclick it on your checkout, but then we find when you reapply it, it already has it checked for you for the next year. That's so nice of them. When you check out, you better go back to the auto renew and hit that.

Yeah, and that's on the left side of the screen. As you scroll down under your account, it has the auto renew option. You click on that, and then boom, that pops up and you need to uncheck it. And to point it out, they do have, they've gone to these year-round licenses, but unlike Utah, You cannot get a two-for-one with their hunting license. I know. You always say two-for in the office. I said two-for-one. I know, but I hear two-for when you say two-for-one. Okay. So, anyway. I said two-for-one today. But it's true. That's true. It's good for one application period. So, even though it's a 365-day license, they ain't freaking gonna let you get a two-for. That's right. I don't know. It's pretty awesome. One thing I do like about it, it's really friendly, Kate, for non-resident youth in the respect. Yeah. And I guess that means it's friendly to us dads. Yes. In the price.

Price-wise, we're at 15 bucks to get him a hunting license. How nice is that? It's awesome. Instead of 155 for us, 18 plus. That's right, that's right. Instead of 100, and they did, it is a fishing hunting combo. They don't want you to, they wanted to kind of put it all in one package so you, you know, they didn't catch you out there doing something. Cast and blast in Nevada. That's right. Cast and blast. Yeah, that's right. So, anyway. Yes. Hops, jumps, flies, it dies. All right. So, anyway, my kid hunted Nevada last year. He drew a deer tag. Yeah. Went out there and hunted, just out there a little bit northealy. It was awesome. Of course, we hunted about a total of three or four hours. So, anyways. Knocked down. There's a four-point kill it. He's like, I'm trophy hunting, Dad. I'm gonna kill that one. Has it got four on the side? Oh, yeah. Block your ears. He's a killer. Lot of fun.

One thing we love about Nevada, just doesn't matter what species we're talking about, you're out there in the middle of nowhere by yourself, it feels like. Now, some of those late elk hunts and whatnot, you do see the congestion. People are in their trucks. Of course, it can be negative 10 degrees around December 1st out there. But, anyway, you do feel like you're by yourself compared to a lot of states. It's limited resource, which means limited tags, big country, limited people. Yes. I don't know what more to say to that. You nailed it. All right, all right. It goes back to what we talked about the first. When you draw something in Nevada, they are hard. But when you get something, you've got it. Generally, low tag numbers per the ratio of the animals you're hunting.

Chris drew a late tag. I did. It was a fun hunt. We talk about bad drawing odds, but here in the office, we have beat the odds. That's right. I think I only had seven points, and it's a great deer tag. I felt super, super lucky to get it. And it was a fun hunt, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Well, yeah, who wouldn't kill a 34-inch? Yeah, I'd call 34-inch again in a heartbeat if I was forced to. Yeah, I mean, I won't complain about that. One thing they do have is they have PIW tags, and there's three for non-residents, four deer. They have a lot more tags for residents, but for non-residents, they have three for deer. You can plug in on that. It's a $10 extra fee. If you're not successful in the regular dog, they put you in for the PIW. That is kind of... they've invented lots of terms for lots of additional tags. Partnership in wine. That one is one of them.

They've got the silver state tags that you can pay per species that are 20 to 25 bucks per species. Just like the PIW, you only get one name in the hat for a silver state if you apply. And that's a governor tag. That's basically hunting. That's right. PIW? August 1st to December 31st, where PIW, you're hunting specific season. Any unit in the state that's open. With a weapon and the season. That's right. And then they also have dream tags, which those are a separate raffle tag program for generating money. You can buy Five dollars, I believe it's five dollars, plus some 75 cent ticket fee per ticket or something. And buy as many as you want. That is a statewide raffle tag type. It's comparable to PIW tags, so it's not a, you don't get to hunt early or late. No, it's open season. But you can hunt any unit

in the state when you draw the tag. So, they're kind of, those are just fun options. That's all broke down in the magazine if you want, but as far as you want to play. Dream tags are available in multiple All of them, that's right. Kind of fun, available to anybody, no necessarily non-resident quotas, but they'll take anybody's money. Right there, how about that? All right. Jump into applying. Real quick, we already talked about the hunting license. That's the biggest maybe deterrent for people, $155 non-resident hunting license. That's a prerequisite if you're an adult. If you're going to make the commitment to apply in Nevada, much like in Arizona, much like in Utah, we recommend applying for more than one or two species.

Get more out of your license purchase. You know, if you're interested in deer and elk or sheep, or if you're not, maybe just build points for the ones that you're not as interested in, because it's going to be cheap at $10. So, get more out of that license purchase by applying for everything, if you're going to make the decision to even apply it in the first place. Yeah, that's right. You will have $15 for elk. They always, it seems like they're just a little more proud of their elk. But anyway, they're going to ding you a little bit for that. Cool thing about Nevada, you can kill as many animals you have tags for. You buy two or three landowner tags, draw a couple tags, whatever. Draw a tag, draw a silver state, and dream. Tag and drag. Whack and stack.

So, anyway, it's awesome. Let's start off with desert sheep. We don't want to really go unit by unit, crank out every single thing. You can tell in our desert sheep odds, the odds are terrible. They give you all five choices, all five choices count. There's so few guys that draw as far as non-residents. You know, even if they drew their third choice and the fourth and fifth aren't truly valid, there's so few tags that you could not, there's not a mathematical difference in my, you know, enough to even note within our table. That's right. They do allow you to do all five choices. That's like Jason said. It's worth pointing out, we highly recommend you do that. Maybe not for every species. If you're only an, you know, antelope for instance, if you only want the top couple units, you might only do the top two or three units.

You are able to put for five, and they look at all five of your choices before going to the next applicant. So, rank them in order of usually best to, you know, worst, but even though it might be just number one through number five, and they're all great options, but pick them in the order that you want them. That's the take-home message. We're pretty high on a lot of those southern units, unit 262, 263, 268, 271 even, which, you know, as recent as 15 years ago was probably one of the worst in the state. 40s and 150s rams. Smoked 179-incher, almost 180 last year. So, anyway, great opportunities in those units. 267 always has something in there. Sometimes you access that by boat and some of the aggressive guys, and there's always a little crossover there between the blacks and muddies. But, anyway, great opportunities. Almost doesn't matter what unit. There's a couple of new things.

Non-residents can now apply for unit 162, 163 out there at Warm Springs. We've seen the rams just chilling right there, and they're scattered right there from their north. And, you know, high kill rates, good solid sheep, good solid rams, mid-160s generally the biggest. But, you know, Adams, we've talked about a lot of these guys, you know, haven't really put their hands on a lot of sheep. But sheep are hard to judge. I don't know how much time necessarily they have to devote to it. And so, you know, it's different. Everybody knows what a big deer is. They know that if it's got eight points on a side and 35 inches wide, it's giant. It's harder to judge sheep. And so, anyway, they did smoke 170-incher last year, so it just proves that there's great rams there. So, anyway. And then there's a whole lot of, I think there's 20, 23 or 4 total non-resident desert sheep units.

None of them are bad. Some are tougher than others, but there's something for everything. If you just need 145, 155-inch ram, every unit in Nevada can produce that. There's really not a bad one. Some are tougher than others, but glean through the comments there, find one that fits what you're looking for. And, you know, some people, a lot of people will put at least one trophy unit down and three or four better odds units down there. But if you're going to be playing for deer and elk, throw it in for sheep. California bighorn. Well, one other thing. There's another new option, that 045153. Of course, it doesn't We didn't have giants necessarily. They did kill a 172-incher back in 2015, but it's clear up north, high kill rates. I mean, we're talking 100% on every year, but way up north, not just under those Cali bighorns.

That's right. You cross the freeway, and you're magically a California bighorn. All right, jump on it. In Nevada. You cross the freeway, you're magically now Cali. There's a line. And they don't cross. Okay. How about... They're mainly segregated by habitat, but that's their line in the sand. So, but this year, I guess, if there is a bright point on the Callies... We're just teasing, by the way. We've got a couple of options. They may cross. That's right. We're just teasing. They've been normally only having three or four options for non-residents. Now, there's six, and so there's literally going to be... You're able to fill up all five choices. 051 and 068 are now available for non-residents, which have been really producing some great sheep. Frankly, 051 is probably the best unit, period, residence or non-residence for California Bighorn in Nevada.

Actually, that 175-incher that's listed has actually got a photo of him on page 22, Ron Kearney, good buddy of ours. Adam Kearney, his dad, smoked that ram, an absolute monster, and that was at 051. It's good to know that he doesn't, you know, has cool running through his veins unlike Adam, and can finish the job on a ram like that. Ouch! You think old Kearney's listening to this? I hope so. Yeah, he does get a little excited. All right, so anyway, great options on the California Bighorn. Again, the points are separated. You got desert points, California Bighorn points for an extra 10 bucks. Be applying. And they call the Nelson sheep. We get a lot of calls from people, hey, where's the desert sheep? I got California and I got Nelson. Where's the desert? The Nelson are the desert sheep. It's the subspecies Nelson Bighorn in Nevada. That's all the Nelson,

That's a desert sheep. Don't let that throw you off. So, that's Jump to Elk. Cool. Let's do it. Yeah, elk, we're a fan, for sure. There's a lot... it doesn't matter, the elk unit... in our publication, we list them all that are available to non-residents. There's a few that are resident only type units. We don't list those, but anything that's available to non-residents, we do have the odds, obviously, and this pertains to all species, the resident and non-resident, on the units that we list. Of course, on our website, the hunt planter section, you can see every unit, resident, non-resident, whatever, and you can kind of check that out if we don't have it listed there in the publication. That's, of course, with a $100 membership. But as we jump into elk, we do want to say there's, I had a good buddy draw that 062068 on the muzzle, and it was off the charts.

And he's like, and he's the luckiest sucker, freaking Paul. Marshall is unbelievably lucky, and he's like, what unit should I apply for? I don't want the best. I probably can't go. I'm like, dude, do that 062068 muzzle. Of course, it's on fire. He draws it. Oh. The fire's happening. You got fire with loose pyridex in your pockets and stuff. Is that a good combination? I don't know. We're not talking about on fire. We're not talking about it's hot for big bulls. We're talking it is literally burning with flames all over in the units during the hunt. Yeah, a lot of part of the units was closed. Of course, it opened up and they were killing A few big bulls in the black of the burn. Awesome unit, unbelievable September 1st to the 16th. Muzzle-ooter hunt, where a lot of these hunts are October 22nd, November 5th. Generally speaking,

especially like those heli units, I mean, you've got a little bit different season date there after the rut, but before the winter hits or even close to it. Yeah, unlike some of the other states like Arizona, Utah that grow big bulls, New Mexico even doesn't have very many early hunts. October 1st is about It's not the earliest you can hunt with a firearm. Nevada, they're very rare. They have a rifle hunt in 161 through 173, Table Mountain and all that. That used to be, frankly, in our opinion, a whole lot better than it probably is right now. It's a unique hunt, September 17th to 30th, because of the access and the remoteness. And, you know, frankly, I wouldn't want to be there in late November either. So, giving that opportunity, and then like you alluded, some of the muzzleloader hunts up in the northern part of the state early September.

But for the most part, let's just say 80% of the archery hunt go first. They start the end of August, I think the 25th, and go until like, what, 16th, 17th of September in about 80% of the state. And then you move into the muzzleloader hunts in most of the state again, late October to early November. Then you get into the rifle hunts for most of the state again. They're in November. And we'll put on there, early means early November. That's right. It's late. It's late November, early December. Yeah, so pay attention to that. Anyway. When you pick an early hunt, you might be thinking, ah, it's my September early, that's what I'm after. The early hunt means November 6th to 20th. It's just before the late one. That's right, that's all it is. So, anyway, yeah, other than Adam alluded to, the area 16, 161, 164, 171, 173. That's right. So, anyway, yeah, and the archery hunts do

go August 25th to September 16th. This is just generally speaking, there are some that are We're August 16th to the 31st before the rut really gets going. But if it goes till the 16th, starts August 25th, we see a lot of these big bulls really starting to rut September 1st. It's a little bit early compared to a lot of states. Yeah, they do. They do rut earlier in the weather. The 111 to 115 continues to be incredible. The 220s, great, great opportunity there. 131, 132 is coming on. There's been some big bulls at 121. 121, yeah.

I mean, we had a buddy hunt it, and it was kind of off the charts. He loved it. Any tag you get for elk in Nevada is a trophy tag. It's meaning rare to come by, tough drawing odds no matter what. There's so few non-resident tags. It's just limited resource to begin with. It's not necessarily NDOW's fault. They're not screwing us, per se. It's just tough. They really manage well. And they've had a huge increase in opportunity. If you look at the tags now versus 10 or 15 years ago for elk, they've been able to maintain quality. They're for a few years that feel like their tags got higher than maybe what quality could sustain, but it feels like that's balanced out. And for the most part, these are one or two tags in your lifetime. You got a seven-year wait after you draw an elk tag. And then we generally tell people, plan on 10 to 20 years to draw an elk tag.

That's just a general, you know, it's not something you plan on quick. Nevada, if we didn't mention it already, they square your bonus points, which means you simply just get a bunch more names in the hat every year the more points you get. But you never predictably know when you're going to get drawn. It just happens. And so, we generally tell people it's a long wait, 10 to 20 years, then you get a seven-year wait. So, it's a one or two in your life for more intense. And that seven-year wait only pertains to elk. There's three years on antelope. Nothing for deer, thank you. Nothing. Okay? Let's keep it at that. And then, as far as sheep, we've got a 10-year wait, which, in our opinion, maybe should be once in a lifetime. Of course, we got fried for it last time we mentioned that, but we just feel like Nevada, there's

a lot of residents even, and I'm speaking for residents. I mean, non-residents, obviously, but residents are dying of old age, not getting their sheep tag and applied for 30 years. So, anyway, we're a little bit sensitive to that. We feel bad for these guys. We want them to, you know, while their buddies may have killed two sheep. Three. Maybe two deserts and a cali. Yeah, there are some that have done three. Yeah, and so, anyway, Chris, I want to put you on the spot. Okay. Give us a fun elk story up on Mariah. Oh, geez. How about that? How about that? Oh, hunted a lot of elk up there. Dude, you've hunted a lot of elk up there. You've hunted a lot of different places, you know, even in 231. In fact, 231, I hunted with my brother-in-law. I've been giving you just a minute to think for a second. Anyway, I hunted with my brother-in-law on the late rifle this last year.

Had a blast. He ended up killing a 350-inch class bull. Spent a lot of time with him. Of course, I have to give him a little hard time. Matt Wolfley freaking needs new tires. There's a guy right there that buys a lot of vehicles, and he had factory tires, and I think he ruined three out of four of them. But anyway, had a good time with him, and of course, it was crappy weather. I mean, it was crappy. Oh, rain, snow, cold. Long distance glassing, long distance shooting if you can, and hike your guts out. So, alright, there I was. Backpacking all. I would just say, Nevada is one of the funnest places I've ever hunted elk, and mostly in the archery. But it's one of those states that you can get there and you can be there during the crazy rut, like prime time. It feels like Nevada bulls are crazy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They get... It's what happens when you don't have the pressure.

Yeah, they get, you know, only to the 16th with a bow, which most people say, ah, it's not great dates. It's not much different than Utah's dates, but they rut different in Nevada than Utah. They rut different. They do. Utah dates are only maybe end the 12th or 13th this year. I would take a Nevada archery over Utah. The bull was a giant, non-typical, points everywhere, and he moved clear from the top wilderness country, came out to the roaded country, sitting on a wallow, hammers him. Sits there for like the first evening or whatever, hammers him, and ends up being a bull that we had on trail cam, what, eight miles away? Yeah. Nine miles away. Killed him in the end of August. Yes. But he was frothing. Oh, yeah. That, to me, is why I love that archery season in Nevada so much. It's just a true... When you imagine elk hunting in the rut, that's what my experience has been with it. You get

bulls screaming and fighting, and you can get in there. One of the funnest things I ever saw was we're sitting there on the hill, and you start to just hear these bulls fighting. You couldn't even see them yet. You can hear the horns clashing. Rush them. Yeah, basically that's what we did. We rushed them, and we crept in there, and they're preoccupied fighting. And we were able to stock in, didn't end up shooting one of the bulls, but it was just fun to be able to get that close to these bulls just going head to head. Just a crazy experience, and I don't know many places that you really get that opportunity. And what I find interesting is when we're talking about the archery in a lot of the units, people are seeing 380 class bulls. We're not, you know what I mean, it's not, it's kind of common lingo over there, and it's just kudos to Endow's management.

You know, they changed up the street season structure mid-2000s, and we were, everybody was hammering on them. But then the bulls kind of get used to being hunted during those new season dates and structure. And, of course, you know, you adjust tag numbers and whatnot, but now we're back in big bulls again. It's where we feel like Utah, we feel like has kind of seen its glory days, although there's going to be a few big bulls. We're not going to lie, there's going to be some giants killed this year. But, it does feel like Nevada's kind of coming back. Adam, you spent some time in Nevada. Elk cutting? Yeah. Well, I was supposed to be looking for deer at the time, but I got preoccupied on elk. You know, but I've been labeled a non-conformer most of my life. Good fun inside stories. We've got a lot of history in Nevada.

I drew a tag clear back in early 2000, ate my tag. Of course, I ate a lot of tags. So, anybody that's eating tags out there don't feel too bad of being near choked and died on my tags. That's right. Let's talk about deer. Yeah, something fun. Jason? So, wow, plethora. That's the word that comes to mind when you talk about deer options in Nevada. So many options. Or plethora, depending on what the correct pronunciation is, because frankly, I don't know. Plethora. Okay. All right. I have no idea either. I'm pretty sure it's plethora. A plethora. Okay. We've just written that word once or twice laughing here. If you see something in the magazine, sometimes we're just on a tangent.

It's a three in the morning comment, and it sticks somehow. Well, one thing I want to talk about, just a little bit off the subject, but it really pertains to deer, is season dates. Season dates make or break hunts across the West. We're talking, if it's Colorado deer in November, late November, early November, October rifle hunts, whether it be archery muzzle, that makes or breaks deer. We got late archeries in Nevada that are rut hunts that are incredible that nobody even thinks about. I take very few calls on that. No, that's true. They don't have very many of the super late ones in Nevada. A couple over by Reno. You know, the 08 one's always the one that comes up there, both, you know, not just the rifle, but archery and muzzle. Even the rubies. You know, rubies when it comes to, you know, archery deer.

Yeah. You know, you get some of those there. But Nevada, I think that's the way they maximize and maintain pretty good quality, They don't cream deer on very many rut hunts. They have August to early September archery hunts for the most part. That's right. A few exceptions. Some of them also have a November archery hunt, which is a unique opportunity, but not the bulk of the tags then. Then you got, you know, September 10 to October 4 in most places is the muzzleloader season. These are long seasons, you know, a month-long archery, almost a month-long muzzleloader. And in most cases, you know, a two to four-week long rifle hunt. You know, some units have two or three rifle hunts. These are Widowmaker type tags. I mean, if you spent the whole time, you're gonna get divorced. Huh? Oh, I see. I was wondering where we're going. Widowmaker is like steep...

They're on a ski slope. Oh, no. They have a Widowmaker's a double black diamond in certain places like that. No, no, no, no. Okay. These are times being selfish, because you drew a once in a lifetime tag. You're being literal that they're Widowmakers. They're Widowmakers. Literally. I got you. Well, yeah, pretty literal. Like, anyway. So, yes, August 10th, you know, they're barely finished. Some bucks aren't even... I'm not finished, growing. But that's what's awesome about Nevada. What else is going on? The first dead bucks. You're gonna be hunting sheep, and I'm gonna be texting you on the inReach hunting deer in Nevada. I'll be home by the 10th. Okay. That's my prediction. All right. So, anyway. But it is the first. Some of the first hunts. Yeah, you look at social media, wherever.

Nevada starts blowing, is the first stuff to die. Oh, yeah. The deer. This year, people's social media is gonna be off the charts. I'm not posting a ton this time of year. It's a grind here in the office. But August, the fuzz is going to be everywhere this August. The big bucks are going to be there. I'll probably still be a little quiet that time of year because we're trying to kill the stuff we've found. That's right. Anyway, of course, Nevada makes us quit running trail cameras at the end of July. Can't run them after August 1st, which, hey, I don't care what a state does. All good and dandy. They want to do that. No problem. We conform and do it. You can perform and play by the rules, but it does make guys hunt. You know what I mean? You're not going to go check. One thing, I love freaking trail cameras, because it's always like Christmas.

You walk up to them, and if you had your deer water the night before, it keeps the momentum going on such a grind. Some of these hunts can suck so bad. Of course, Chris, you know, Adam, you know. Well, and you're hunting one deer. We've had hunts. We would have basically given up, because we're not seeing... He's still freaking here. After five days, he hits. I'm like, oh my gosh, he's still around. And we wasted 20 more days because he kept watering, and we never killed him. Yeah. Tell us about Buster. Buster sucked. But we're talking a mid-30s, upper-30s inch type, 230-incher with cheaters going everywhere, and when he waters every other night, or every third night... You gotta stick around that country. Yeah, yeah. And there, you know, five grand later in gas and food and lodging, pretty soon you just, at some point you have to give up. A

couple of near-death experiences with stallions walking out in the dark, and I mean... Oh Gosh, come on. It's true though. Harder running like the wind. Come on. Come on. Well, I mean, here is the deal. Oh, and rattlesnakes. How's that? In the dark, coming out? Archery hunts. I've dealt my hobby greens. Well, nonstop. I mean, hobby greens. Non-stop. Like, I go to Wikipedia, and I'm like, dude, that's what I saw. Right there. How about that? But yeah, the horses are unbelievable. We're tired of wild horses out there. They're ruining the springs. Nevada will tell you, anybody that lives in Nevada will tell you that there needs to be, I mean, we're friends with government agencies. I'm not trying to say that it's anyone's particular fault, but the BLM, if they're going to force end out a managed wildlife, they need to be managing wild horses.

And we need to shut the liberals down to let them manage. You know, we can't, anyway, go out and fly around them up, and then they end up, you know, making them so they can't get pregnant for a few years or whatever. That's not cutting it. It's just not cutting it. And so, it's, I mean... Very frustrating. Yeah. How do you say it politically correct, Bronson? Nah. Duh. Yeah, that's a tough one. The Wild Horse and Borough Act protects. They protect them like an endangered species. They literally are like that. You'd be better off shooting a person than shooting a horse. Pretty much. So, but they're, yeah, the Mustangs have been here a long time, but a lot of these have now been diluted to BLM and places out there that would throw out, you know, studs and that to help get some genetic diversity going in there to make these things worse.

So now we've got lots of horses, we've got pretty horses. Yeah, now, so somebody would want to take them, and I'm not bashing the BLM, but I just think what we have out there are not the Spanish Mustangs from a thousand years ago, and that's keep them preserved. They're not. They're turnbacks. You get an old horse in a crowd. Yeah, you're down in the muddies. You're down in the muddies, and they got wild horses down there. Burls. Oh, yeah. Just people kick loose, because hey, that's costing me 300 bucks a month to feed that thing. I'm done. Or board it, or give it shots, or you gotta get Coggins' Every time you cross the state line with, I mean, they're like, they're done. Just like an old lemon that they drive out to some wash and jump off, they do that to their horses. And over time, that's contributed to it.

It's not the source of all the horses in Nevada, please hear what I'm saying, but it's beyond a joke. It's beyond a joke. In other states like Utah and Southwest Desert. Beyond a joke there, too. It is. It's unbelievable. And it's the resource is just getting crushed. Especially in arid states with very limited water sources. They're ruining the springs, and any and all vegetation within a mile of the spring. Horse trails are four feet wide. I mean, it's unbelievable. Yep, that is. So, ran over. We can't hunt them, and can't fit them that way. We just need more horse-eating lions. We've heard of a few. We've heard of a few specializers. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, season dates are awesome. The early rifle deer hunts, beware. They're gonna be a grind, man. There's no question. October 5th to October 20th is the smartest time of year for a deer.

But let's be frank, I guess, on... Take a tag when you can get it? ...on being reality and getting drawn, because the percentage of tags that they give in the late rifle hunts are so small. Everybody wants to draw a late hunt. Right. You have a lot less hunters of field. The bucks were getting a little ruddy, or pre-ruddy, at least in many cases. But they, you know, those are pipe dreams. My best deer in Nevada, personal best, came from an October 9th type hunt. I mean, it was an October 9th. I think that was the day I killed it. I had to go back, back in 2003. But anyway, second day of the hunt, anyway. But just saying, and it wasn't a buck I had pre-scattered. We didn't have trail cameras back Back then, I knew the deer the year before, and then I found his sheds the night before I killed him. But it just so happened he grew a bunch. He was the right age. Anyway, at

the end of the day, all I'm saying is, if you don't have a tag, you're not going to kill a big deer. So, you're saying, draw a tag, even if it's an early rifle. Especially, and we maybe haven't talked about this too much yet, but this year in Nevada, it's the The driest state in the nation, Utah's second, and we're both, in most places, 150 to 200% of normal snowpack. Wow. Right? I mean, I'm not breaking news here. No, it's true. I'm not breaking news here. No. That's true. And it rained all night last night here in Cedar, which is very close to Nevada. I was going to get up and look at the radar every time it rains here. If it even looks like rain here, we're looking at the radar. But if there's a year that you might get away with having more, a better chance to kill a 180 deer on

On an earlier hunt, it might be a year like this, when they're having moisture and growing more of them, period, than there were a year ago was brewed on. I agree. And I actually applied for an early rifle, by the way. Another foreshadowing for him to share that by the end of the podcast. Let's talk about truck chasers. Antelope have been doing really well in Nevada in several of the units. You know, we've highlighted them in our publication. You can check it out. Great opportunity. It's another $10 add-on. Throw it in there. They don't give us muzzleloader options for non-residents, but they do give us archery and rifle hunts. We've highlighted those, especially the better ones, and a great opportunity to kill 80-inch plus goats. So, again, one of those, just a premium hunt. Not talking species necessarily, but the hunt.

I mean, you're out there in the middle of nowhere, some of that country, and man, you just fall in love with it out there. So, let's move on. Yeah, Nevada, we love it, but you don't get to hunt as often as you want. That's the best way to put it. So, Montana. Apply, apply, apply. We already had the deadline. We talked a little bit about the deer and elk. That deadline has come and gone. It was March 15th. The results actually are pending here in the next 10 days, two weeks. You should find out something there on the deer and elk results in Montana. But this issue of the magazine, we cover the sheep, moose, and goat, which have a May 1st application, and bison, which have a May 1st application deadline. The antelope, we also included that, but it is June 1st for the antelope. And then point only July 1st to September 30th.

That's right. Keep that in mind if you're sitting it out. That is new the last couple of years. You used to have to swing for the fence, put the best unit in the state for moose, sheep, and goat. And, weird to say, but hope you don't draw, and that's the only way you could get a point, but now you can do points only for sheep, moose, and goat for 75 bucks each in the summer. Basically, you have to buy a base hunting license, non-residents will just talk for... Residents is $10, non-residents $15, then you get a conservation stamp for $10, non-residents. And then, it's a $50 application fee for sheep, moose, and goat, plus for the sheep, moose, and goat $20 point fee. Optional. You know, you don't have to buy into that. It's probably not even worth applying for it. They're 18 years into a squared point system for sheep, moose, and goat.

If you just want a name in the hat, I guess you can do that without, you know, but you're paying 50 bucks plus, you're paying 80 or 90 bucks, why not pay 20 bucks more than you So that's what you're saying? Yes. To clarify, let's pay that extra 20 bucks, get the point. Don't apply unless you're going to build a point. That's right. That's right. You know, what's the difference? So anyway, don't have to front the tag fee, you can jump in. You know, it's good to have a name in the hat. Tough to draw, but it's also tough to quantify the drawing odds. We're limited to 10% of a region's quota as non-residents. And so, So, that could be drawn in U-Tags. That's right, and we're in the hat with residents. Everybody's in the hat together, non-residents are limited. They say 10% of the regional cap, but if you analyze the drawing odds, it's not like we can draw five unit 680 tags. Right. It never

happens. We never exceed 10% in the individual unit either. It's available. Because there's so few of tags within these regions, or excuse me, there's so few units available to non-residents. So, when you get their paper application on there, it prints the units that non-residents We're eligible to apply for, and that changes from year to year. However, we've been able to apply for the breaks forever, it feels like. But they do have new opportunities, as well as opportunities that leave us, you know, as well. Units that are not available that were last year. We cover all the ram hunts in the magazine that are open to non-residents. There's only like, you know, seven or eight of them. Not counting the unlimited hunts, it's worth pointing out, Montana is the only state that you can just buy a sheep tag

Go over the counter and go hunt big horn sheep. Over the counter meaning during the application period, if you buy it over the counter, you can still apply for a point in the summer. That's right. But by law, they only let you apply one time. So, if you were to, you can actually apply for the unlimited. You're gonna get it, but yep, that's right, and then you can't apply points only. And if you participate in the point system, it'll take your points. Yeah, it will. So, don't do that. If you want to try that, just buy it right now before May So, first, online, or if you're in Montana, go buy it. Let's talk about the reality of that, because those hunts are butt kickers. They're frankly units that have sprinklings of sheep. We know guys, even Montana residents, that have never killed a sheep in the Montana.

They hunt it maybe every year, or profess to hunt it most every year, and maybe they do. They have nothing to show for it. It's tough. And so, yeah. These are units that frankly, if they were a limited quota unit, and they allowed you to If you don't kill any ram, they would still have low harvest success. So, it's just big, vast backcountry. Some of them have park migration issues like Unit 303 that you got Yellowstone Park. Sheep drift in and out over the border. You can still, and they have produced a few great rams there. Yeah, they have. Some of the units in the Azurka. Including last year. That's last year, exactly. I mean, that's stud. It was awesome. But it's one of those things you are taking a little bit of a chance. They're unlimited for a reason. It doesn't necessarily mean, you know, that you're gonna get a sheep. I mean, a lot of guys, if it was that easy.

Everybody would be doing it. That's right. However, you want to have a sheep. They have legal quotas. All of them this year happen to be two RAM quotas. They got to be three-quarter curl or greater to be legal. It's not like you can just go shoot a sickle horn and call it a day and I killed one. It's got to be three-quarter curl, and you have to inspect that. And if it's not, they're taking the sheep from you, giving you a citation. And it's just like a lot of cougar and bear hunts, it's your responsibility every day through satellite phone or whatever it means to check the quota. If it fills and you're hunting, you can't just say, well, I'm going to pretend I don't know and I'm going to hunt out here for another week, crush another ram. It doesn't work. It doesn't work that way. The burden is on your shoulders. You're going to go to jail. You're going to lose your first born.

Very similar to shooting a grizzly on a blackbird tag. So, as we move along here, we also covered the same thing for our moose units. We've covered that. We also put in bold some of what we figure is the best units to apply for. You know, just some of these moose and goat units just aren't generally what are considered to be Montana's best. You know, it's just one of those tough years, I guess, if you're a moose and a goat hunter. It is, and Montana moose in general have seen better days. And there are a few key units down in the southeastern part of the state in some of the gaps. We'll call them the gap units where they've had some wolf removal through depredation and things like that. They haven't just absolutely decimated their moose. Other parts of the state, they are showing some sign of recovery as wolf harvest has either been allowed or been done by USDA Wildlife

Services. It does feel like since we've been able to kill these wolves, Idaho and Montana have seen something better than a spiraling down. Yes, better elk populations, better quality in a lot of this country. So, it's kind of fun. Wolf hunting has actually become somewhat They're savvy. But to your point, you know, there's 20 some odd moose units available this year to non-residents, many of which are, again, weren't available last year. Like you alluded earlier, they rotate units available to non-residents. We list them all. We go through five years of drying odds, five years of harvest success, things like that, and break down units that we glean from talking to biologists, outfitters, other hunters that hunt these units to try to give you a true representation of what's there. We do the same thing with mountain goats. Like you've alluded, some of the perennial favorites,

you know, some of those aren't available this year. The North Big Belt Mountains is, and that's a unit that's been reopened again a couple of years ago. Great opportunity. You know, one guy's gonna get a tag, and if you're it, you're gonna have a great goat hunt. But for the most part, moose and goats in Montana are just representative. Good average quality,

You're not going to kill very many Ben and Crockett goats in Montana. You killed a goat in Montana. I did, 2003. One of the rare, you know, very tough to draw on. Adam ended up going up there, had a great hunt, actually. Self-guided and did it on her own, and Wilton Grizz Country, it was fun. Grizz Country. You were in and around Grizz Track. That's right, oh yeah, tracked them. So, it was good. We got lucky. It was like the third year they even started a point system when I drew, so. Can't wait for you to draw moose up there. Yeah. It's going to be awesome. I cringe every time. Max points right now. I know. How about that? Luckily, they have a points on the option now, because if there's nothing that's really, really... So, you're not sure exactly? I'll probably put in for something. Yeah, throw something down. Yes, but we also cover antelope. Moving from moose to antelope. How's

that segue? I mean, and... Yeah, it's awesome. You know, antelope is one of the species, they do make you pay the permit fee up front. It's only 205 bucks when you apply. It's nothing. But antelope, In general, in Montana are opportunity. They do grow some Boone and Crockett bucks that are scattered around the state. In general, we favor the central and eastern part of the state. Some of those, like the Unit 700 cluster, you can hunt all the units 700 units. That's right. And the 900 option for antelope, you get to hunt two-thirds of the state where there's antelope. And, you know, good opportunity hunts, generally not tough to draw, and we cover the best units that we fill to apply for antelope there. You have to front the tag fees. They don't keep much of that if you don't draw. They do have a point system.

In general, two to five points will get you an antelope tag. Although, again, it's not predictable. They square your points for those, so you just get more and more names in the hat. Since it happens rather fast, by the time you get five points, 25 additional names in the hat, your five points squared, you're probably going to draw a tag. You might draw the first year, though. It's worth bearing out. Any of these Montana hunts we're talking about, you could draw the first year

You could be that lucky. So, how about that? Anyway, bison, a couple of hunts on the north and west side of Yellowstone National Park. We highlight those very tough drawing odds. It is a free-range hunt, very weather dependent, snow-driving bison out of the park, both on the west Yellowstone side and the Gardner side, but is one of the few states that you can have a free-range public land bison hunt if you want to apply for those. Yeah, definitely. It's one of those few options, not an incredible opportunity. Yeah, some years it's rough. If it doesn't snow, it's kind of like we saw a little bit in Wyoming this last year. Bison are smart animals. They know where they're safe. They know where they don't get harassed. They like to stay in those areas until they have to leave because forage or whatever gets covered up by five feet of snow.

We also have Kansas. We wanted to breeze over that real quick. We have hunted Kansas. Chris, you've hunted Kansas. You've hunted Kansas. I've hunted Kansas. Adam, you killed a freaking good buck in Kansas. Yeah, muley. Muley. So, anyway, great opportunity. You apply for a whitetail tag, and then, of course, they've got mule deer as well. They've got mule deer stamps. They're on a draw for the mule deer stamps without a point system. The whitetail tags have a point system. And then, you know, so you'll be into that. And if you don't draw on the mule deer, you're still at the $442 whitetail tag. So, it's one of those things. They've got good opportunities for We had a lot of private here, especially in units 2, 1, 17. Of course, my dad, when we killed a 220-incher out in the Milo Field, you know. That's right. Took a lawn chair out there and chilled out.

Waited for him to stand up while you're in there tight. Chris lost a lot of his water, actually drank it, gave some away, and ended up being pretty parched that day. And smoked a buck with a muzzle odor, and it was awesome. So, anyway, great opportunity there. Private lands, you have to address that issue. A lot of private in Kansas. You need a place to go, call us. We've got outfitters we work with that you can go. They also have walk-in areas. Chris, you hunted the walk-in. Yep, and it was great. It's just one of those things you have to be prepared when you go because it is so predominantly private land. So, you've got to kind of be prepared, have a good mapping system, GPS. That's what I did as I just went with, I had the early version of Onyx mapped on my GPS, and that was a lifesaver. If I didn't have that, it wouldn't have been possible.

Application period up there is April 1st to the 26th this month. And so, anyway, very easy to draw that. We've kind of listed that. It's very easy to get those tags. Although, you know, it was a guaranteed at one point, Adam. Yeah. It's kind of changing with everything else. You need a point to guarantee everything. There's a lot that you can get with zero points, but one point will guarantee every white tail tag. Once again, emphasize the fact that if you're only interested in mule deer, you have to put a white tail unit down first. And then, if you are successful and check the Mule Deer stamp option, for an additional, whatever it is, $152, then they'll put you in a random Mule Deer stamp drawing. If you don't draw that, you're stuck with a white tail tag for $440 that you may not want if you're just interested in Mule Deer. Make sure you want it. It's kind of a tough system.

I went out there and used 15s. How about that? I almost shot him long distance, 400 and something yards. So, anyway, ended up smoking him. He's a great buck. Of course, you can see a piece of him right there at the top of the header of Kansas. Chris threw a piece up there. So, anyway, Chris does a good job, John, his brother as well, in publishing this magazine. Thank them for that. Chris, would you hunt it again? Would you do the walk-ins again? I've heard great things where guys are overlooking that walk-in country. I definitely would. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy. It's definitely a challenge, and you're going to go in there, and a lot of those walk-in areas just have a lot of people in there. There's also a high population of deer, and you can legitimately kill a deer on a small piece of land. Yeah. And so, that's an awesome thing.

The other thing I really like about Kansas is if you want to go grab a rifle tag, the season dates are pretty awesome. I mean, a lot of the stuff has ended here in the West by then, and so 1st of December, you can go to Kansas and go hunt something, whether you're interested in white or not. December 4th, yeah, December 4th to the 15th. Of course, the archery is September 16th to December 31st. Yeah. Very, very flexible there. So, it's kind of cool that you've got a hunt that you can do in December and go out there, and even if you've never done it before, just go try it out. Yeah, right on. Well, you know, we do want to thank Red Rock Precision for sponsoring this podcast, as well as being an advertiser in our publication. We worked with Red Rock for many, many years, shot their guns for many years, killed a lot of stuff. I've smoked some bulls in New Mexico

And made some pretty amazing shots with their rifles. So, anyway, appreciate them. If you need a new rifle, you're looking to get a precision gun, definitely would visit with them. Give them a holler. It's 801-425-6574, www.redrockprecision.com. Adam and I both shoot their rifles. Chris, you've used their rifles. They actually even lent you a rifle. They did. When yours was kind of in limbo, you know what I'm saying. And they had it dialed. Of course, you went out to Colorado last year. You and John both smoked Bucs. I don't know how far. You guys haven't really admitted that. Mine was like 750, and John's was 400. I couldn't believe how rock solid that thing was. I also wanted to give a shout out to Outdoor Edge. They've been a good supporter of us here at Epic Outdoors.

Their Outdoor Edge Razor Light Series, we've actually got an Epic Outdoors signature knife made in that, which we'll have some details later in the month. You might be able to pick one of those up. So, Outdoor Edge, OutdoorEdge.com, appreciate their support with those great knives, replaceable blade knives, with stiff upper, you know, backing on the blade as well. So, you just don't break these like you do other replaceable blade knives. So, we all use them. Don't leave without them. Yeah, if you're gonna apply for all these tags, you're probably gonna draw one, you're gonna need to gut something. So, anyway, definitely awesome. Razor lights are in my pack, door panels everywhere, every kid's pack. Speaking of gut-something, your boys are a little older than mine, but have you taught them how to gut something? I haven't. We quarter them.

My kids, I find myself when we get all the meat off, cape everything, we're ready to go. Then they want to carve in to see the guts. I'm like, that's why I do it this way, so I don't have to do that. I do find it interesting. I don't feel like reaming a butthole every time. Yeah. I don't, and that's part of gutting an animal. And I don't really feel like being elbow deep in guts anymore. Don't need to. Dude, it's faster. You're going to have to skin them anyway. I just don't quite get it. I think ripping the quarters off, the back strap, we even do a slight incision right under the backbone. You've got the tenderloin. You can get them out with the guts in there. Yeah, that's right. Don't touch them. Neck, meat, shoulder, you know, hindquarters. I mean, why? We should teach our kids how to do it once, though, just so they know how to do it.

Well, they need to know. Yeah, they do. But we haven't. They need to appreciate the gutless method. That's right. The first deer I remember I ever got a guy killing, I was 14, my brother was 11. Dad, we were on a deer hunt, archery deer first year, shot a two-point opening day. I was lucky it was a two-point because it was either sex back then. I might have shot a doe if I would have seen it first, but I shot a two-point. Yeah, dropping a bomb on a mom. I might have. But anyway, let this 44-pound carol bow, you start off the carol. Oh, I shot a carol.

44-pounder. Man. From south, east Utah. Moab. That's right. Carol Bowes. And killed this buck, and literally, my dad had left me, you know, photocopies or tearing out pages from outdoor life of how to gut a deer. You know, we had it in our little fanny packs or whatever. We didn't have a pack to bone it out or anything with. This is mid-'80s, you know. Yes. Mid to late-'80s. And, you know, here we were, turning the page. Aaron and I, my brother, 14-11, you know, I killed it. My dad went up in the, where the big deer went.

We're, you know, big hike, and we're just farting around the cabin and killed this little buck. It was awesome, but baptism by fire, so to speak, right? It was like, there's your dead deer. I got a knife in my pack. We got to figure this out. I would love to have seen a video of that, because then we did it, and we drug it back about a half mile back to the cabin, trying to hang it up when my dad got back, and he's just laughing. He's just like, what are you doing? Well, he's proud, of course. Proud moment. He was proud, but he was just, you know, I don't know what was left in the cavity, if we got it all out or not, but we tried. But anyway. No, I get it. The gutless method versus gutting them. They need to know they're gonna be in a deer camp back east, and they're gonna be like, what you mean, son, you never gutted a deer? You know, and I mean, you know, it is what it is, right?

You wouldn't believe Jason Carter's boy's here, he'd never even gutted a buck. That's how we do it here, son. We freaking gutted them. We hang them by a gamble, and we gutted them into a trash can. I know, it's true, you know? And so, anyway, I mean, same thing. We used to hang our meat and let it age for a week to two weeks, and when it got a little bit of mold on it, you would cut the outside. Oh, man. And I mean, nowadays, we can't get it to the meat processor fast enough. And of course, we eat it, it tastes good. You know, I don't remember back then if it made a difference. I mean, I haven't let a deer mold, I don't know, I don't remember the last time. And it's not ruined. We use vinegar to clean it off and to really kind of take that little bit of a... Part of the problem is we're also going pretty hard in the fall. And we're hunting earlier seasons.

Seems like our deer hunt, we're hunting late October. Now we're killing stuff in August, September. There's no hanging stuff. It's got to go to the locker. And if it's in there, you might as well let them cut it up for an after 75 bucks, get it cut up. Can't get to the next hunt fast enough. Kind of thing. Of course, we got 14 kids apiece. Jason, not that many. We are from Utah, people, you listeners, but we're not that. That's not us. You know, we got three or four each, right, Jason? Yeah. Three for me, four for you. Yeah, four for me. Not fourteen. So, that's clear of the air on that little bit. But anyway, they each want to kill a couple animals a piece. Dad needs four or five, and then it just ends up being a lot. So, you got to get them in the lockers and processed and whatnot. So, anyway, I guess that kind of is interesting, is you can, you know,

You know, you end up with quite a bit of hunting opportunity. People that say there's not opportunities out there, just not, it's not an accurate statement. And they're not willing to just go do something, and either fail, or just make something out of nothing, you know. State lines are an imaginary line anymore. We'll go across the state line to eat dinner, Adam. And so, anyway, it just doesn't even, it doesn't even phase us anymore. Speaking of which, maybe there'll be a time where we're all just equal

We're not non-residents. How about that? All right, as we kind of close out this podcast, we want to thank everybody for listening. We do have stories in this magazine. Of course, these publications are freaking big, thick, and 150 pages a piece, and we're cramming everything we can in there. There's a lot of information. It's packed with stuff. We also got the hunt planner online, epicoutdoors.com. If you're a member, you can go on there. There's all kinds of stuff. I mean, quick references to what the state regulations are as far as the hunt plan. There's age restrictions and kids applying or weapons or whatever. There's just all kinds of information we've got out there online. And so, anyway, pretty awesome opportunity. I'd like to thank PhoneScope. We appreciate their support here at Epic Outdoors. You know,

we use their stuff. We don't have, there's not a time that we leave the truck without a PhoneScope device in our pack where we can video on our phone through our binoculars, Spot and scope or whatever. And so, you gotta have one. If you don't video it, it didn't happen. Go to phonescope.com and get yours today. Yeah, if you haven't got the APR issue, it should be arriving any day. It's in the mail. It comes straight from the printer. A lot of folks call us here at the office asking us when we mail them out. They get sent to the printer. They do their job. They get turned around, fulfilled, and shipped right from there. So, you should get them any day. It's, you You know, again, the Nevada deadline's pushed back. It's normally been about the 17th, 18th-ish of the month in April. Pushing it back to the 29th leaves a little bit more room to be able to get everything in.

And again, the other states that we covered, Kansas, due to the 26th, I believe it was, and then Montana, May 1st. So, you've got plenty of time to get it in. Give us a call if something's not clear to you. But full bore ahead, Greenlight Central, Nevada this year, Deer & Elk. Greenlight Central. Get a tag, man. Get a tag, that's right. Greenlight Central. And to whoever the anonymous person was that dropped these green monsters off, Ultra Paradise, I don't know who it was, but this was yesterday, dropped off half a dozen of those. They were brought to you by that. And we spoke a little faster when we drank. Of course, I cheated on Monster and tried a little bit of a Red Bull. But having said that, we're going to quit. Monsters aren't good for you,

And neither are Red Bulls. And so, we've actually slowed down quite a bit. A lot of you guys might be surprised about that, but we don't want to die early. We've got a lot of animals to kill yet. We've got a lot of goals and hunting aspirations, desires. I want to see my kids reach at least college age. And so, we're going to try to slow the flow. But who did drop those by? I don't know. Brody Bell. We appreciate you. I think we're out to lunch when he dropped those by. Yeah, thanks, Brody. Good job. We appreciate it. A little gift here and there. It's kind of nice. It keeps us going. Of course, here in the office, we get looking at these same 14 walls, and it drives us a little crazy this time of year. So, alright. Well, like I say, we appreciate everybody, all the support. Do we gonna do any kind of a giveaway, Chris? You wanna throw anything out there? Let's do a pair of boots.

Yeah, boots on the ground. There's nothing like scouting with boots on the ground. A pair of under-arm or boots. Okay, let's do it. Let's throw it out there. Let's give away a pair of fat tires today. Let's go on to our website, go on to the podcast portion of the website, epicoutdoors.com, and let's enter promo code... CHIOPET. CHIOPET. For a CHIOPET year. How about that? It's CHIOPET year. Any of you kids out there that don't know what a CHIOPET is? Watch old reruns on TV from the 80s or 90s, late at night, and you'll probably see this little... Growing sprouts. It was like a ceramic animal. Yeah, you watered it and it grew before your eyes almost. Yeah, sprouts came out the top, and it was Chia Pet. They grew more, add water, and they grow, and that's what's happening over here. In Nevada. In Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and Mexico, Colorado. Is that Ch-I-A-P-E-T?

Yeah, look it up. Google it. Google Chia Pet. So, Chia Pet is the cheat word to get you a pair of five tires. So, how to enter that is you go to our website, epicoutdoors.com, and there's a little tab at the top that says Podcast. Just click on that tab, and there's a spot where you can enter the code, which Jason has picked, Chia Pet. Well, Adam, Chia Pet. But we tease all the time, it's Chia Pet. In fact, maybe we'll go on there and order, maybe we go to Amazon and get us a Chia Pet. Just throw that in with your pair of boots. Here they... Well, I want one, too. Maybe we order a couple of them. Come on, we go to the salad bar downtown, you get those. Oh, yeah, that's right. You don't need to grow them. Pastry pub or something like that. That's right. Get all the vitamins and minerals you need.

By the way, we were looking at the back of these cans, and there are vitamins in here that I don't think we get other than in Monster. I mean, carnitine, tartrate, these things are unbelievable. There's NO-sidyl, paradoxine, hydrochloride. Hydrochloride sounds awesome. It's probably really good for a guy. What's that last one right there? That one's the last one that sounds like... The first part of the word is cyanide. Well, cyan-no. I mean, it's close. It resembles it. It's close. So... Last I know, that killed coyotes. Probably a cousin or something. Anyway, don't drink them. We're slowing down. I promise there's gonna be a day and age we don't talk about it anymore. Look at that. That is the Donald Trump chia pet. That... Boom. I just googled Donald Trump chia pet. And there's the golden grilled chia heads.

Chia Heads $24.95. Come on, Chris. I googled Donald Trump Chia Pet. Okay. Oh, you did? Yeah, because I knew they made them. Really? So, I was like, these guys will laugh at that. Geez. All right. Well, Chia Pet, get your pair of fat tires. Go to the Epic Outdoors website, the podcast section. Type that in. Chris, you're going to have a deadline for that. You don't want to set a deadline, man. Yeah, that'll be one week from today, which is the 4th of April, and the deadline for that's going to be seven days after that. Perfect. Okay. All right. Whatever that means. The 11th. April 11th. Apply, apply, apply. It's the deadline. Get you a pair of boots from Under Armour. Appreciate them. Let's get out of here. It's hot. Yes. Chip it.