EP 118: Applying in Nevada, Montana, and Kansas

limited resource which means limited tags some of them also have a November archery hunt which is a unique opportunity non-residents can now apply for you know 162 163 get more out of your license purchase anything to do with Western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by Under Armour hey everybody Jason Carter and Adam Bronson coming at you from southern Utah here in Cedar City so anyway starting off this podcast we kind of wanted to go over the April issue which everybody's just getting in the mail right now contains Nevada Kansas Montana of course has a bunch of different stories and all kinds of things in there we do have some guaranteed hunts meaning hunts with guaranteed tags of course Jeff John here in the office deals with our outfitters that have those tags and so anyway we do have a little section on that and kind of see what's coming

available before we get started we're going to thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast we appreciate them and their support they're getting cranking I've been talking to them at length and and planning their hunts and got a lot of things in store as far as products coming at you here in the next next few months so anyway be watching on UA.com and you can kind of check out what they've got going so anyway Bronson what are we going to start off this podcast well let's talk about Nevada it's probably the most exciting since it is a legal gambling state the one I guess downer is that their drawing odds are about like gambling they're terrible so I mean they're terrible but you just got to keep putting the money in and pulling the handle the upside it to Nevada is when you've got something

when you get something you've really got something good usually for all species I like that deer elk they're stellar desert bighorn sheep are awesome I love it um California bighorn sheep even antelope those of you that like to hunt as Jason calls it the truck chasers they've got them for you we're gonna be chasing some of them I even applied for them did you already apply oh yeah I crushed it okay good well by the end of the podcast Jason I'm sure will let us know all the units he's applied for come on because I have not applied so I'm not withholding anything because I haven't done it yet but anyway there we go the one thing worth pointing out it seems like we've gotten more calls earlier this year Nevada they opened their application period well maybe two weeks earlier it feels like oh yeah rocked and rolled got things out the door pushed live even though they extended

their application deadline two weeks later so yeah it goes till April 29th now that's right so it's barely April and people are you know hungry hungry to put in they kind of got a new system where they're working with what we call Calcami I don't know how you pronounce it but anyway we we talk about Calcami here in our office um it's an awesome new system it kind of sucked there for a minute but once you got used to it it's nice one thing about it Adam oh I mean plug and play is that what you're gonna say oh yeah we get to plug and play we can amend at free of charge at will every day if we want yeah I go in and change units all the time doesn't charge your fee you don't have to even withdraw and we apply it's just sleep on it um see how you feel the next day about it one of the things that I really liked was they have your units that you applied for last year come right up so

you can see where you're at and you're like well I want to change this I want to change that but it's not like I got to go look up what I applied for last year and try to remember it's all right there it is a feature that it is kind of nice if you were just going to do the same old thing you can plug and play right in fact in the very end they even have your card there you can if you're too lazy to get out your new card you can use your old card just hit submit and another thing is last year by default they put you on auto renew for their hunting license how about that so a lot of people are calling us so nice that's so nice of them you know what am I getting these charges for Nevada it's uh March 14th for I don't know you might want to hunt a cottontail I don't I don't know but you know you bought a license and they do have there's a drop down auto auto auto renew options you can unclick

that after you're done applying you can go unclick it so you have the control of your own destiny the one thing we did you you can unclick it on your checkout but then we find when you reapply it it already has it checked for you for the next year that's so nice of them when you check out you better go back to the auto renew and put and hit that yeah and that's on the left side of the screen as you scroll down under your account has the auto renew option you click on that yeah and then boom that pops up and you need to uncheck and to point it out um they do have they've gone to these year-round licenses but unlike Utah you cannot get a two-for-one with their hunting license I know you always say two-for in the office I said two-for-one I know but I hear two-for when you say two-for-one okay

well anyway I said two-for-one but it's true that's true it's good for one application period so even though it's a 365 day license they ain't freaking gonna let you get a two-for so that's right I don't know it's pretty awesome one thing I do like about it it's really friendly okay for non-resident youth in the respect yeah and I guess that means it's friendly to us dads yes in the price wise we're at 15 bucks to get them a hunting license how nice is that it's awesome instead of 155 for us 18 plus that's right that's right instead of 100 and they did uh it is a fishing hunting combo they don't want you to they wanted to kind of put it all in one package so you you know they didn't catch you out there doing something cast and blast in Nevada that's right cast and blast yeah that's right so anyway hops jumps flies it dies all right so anyway uh my kid hunted Nevada last year he drew a

deer tag went out there and hunted just out there a little bit northealy it was awesome of course we hunted about a total of three or four hours so anyways there's a four point kill it he's like I'm trophy hunting dad I'm gonna kill that one has it got four on a side block your ears he's a killer a lot of fun one thing we love about Nevada just doesn't matter what species we're talking about you're out there in the middle of nowhere by yourself it feels like now some of those late elk hunts and whatnot you do see the congestion people are in their trucks of course it can be negative 10 degrees around December 1st out there but anyway you do uh you do feel like you're by yourself compared to a lot of states it's limited resource which means limited tags big country limited people yes I don't know what more to say to that you nailed it all right all right

it goes back to what we talked about the first when you draw something in Nevada it they are hard but when you get something you've got it generally low tag numbers per the ratio of the animals you're hunting Chris drew a late tag I did that was we talked about bad drawing odds but here in the office we have beat the odds that's right I only had I think I only had seven points like it wasn't and it's a great deer tag like I felt super super lucky to get it and it was a fun hunt and I'm I'd do it again in a heartbeat well yeah who wouldn't kill a 34 inch yeah yeah I'd kill a 34 inch again in a heartbeat if I was forced to yeah I mean I won't complain about that one thing they do have is they have PIW tags and and there's three for non-residents for deer they have others a lot more tags for residents but for non-residents they have three for deer you can plug in on that it's ten dollar

extra fee if you're not successful in the regular dog they put you in for the PIW that is kind of they've invented lots of terms for lots of additional tags partnership that one is one of them they've got the silver state tags that you can pay per species that are 20 to 25 bucks or species just like the PIW you only get one in the name in the hat for a silver state if you apply and that's a governor tag that's basically yeah unlike hunting that's right PIW August 1st December 31st where PIW you're hunting specific any unit in the state that's with the weapon in the in the season that's right and then they also have dream tags which those are a separate raffle tag program for generating money you can buy five dollars I believe it's five dollars plus some 75 cent ticket fee per ticket or some and buy as many as you want that is a statewide uh raffle tag type it's comparable to PIW tag so

it's not a you don't get a hunt early or late no it's open season but you can hunt any unit in the state when you draw the tag so they're kind of those are just fun options that's all broke down in the magazine if you want but as far as you want to play tags are available in multiple species as well all so that's right kind of fun available to anybody no necessarily non-resident quotas but they'll take anybody's money right there how about that all right jump into applying real quick we already talked about the hunting license that's the biggest maybe deterrent for people 155 dollar non-resident hunting license that's a prerequisite if you're an adult if you're going to make the commitment to apply Nevada much like an Arizona much like a Utah we recommend applying for more than one or two species get more out of your license purchase you know if you're interested in deer

and elk or sheep or if you're not maybe just build points for the ones that you're not as interested in because it's going to be cheap at 10 bucks so get more out of that license purchase by applying for everything if you're going to make the decision to even apply in the first place that's right you will have 15 for elk they always seems like they're just a little more proud of their elk but anyway they're going to ding you a little bit for that um cool thing about Nevada you can kill as many animals you had tags for you buy two or three landowner tags draw a couple tags whatever tag draw a silver state and dream tag and stack so anyway it's awesome let's start off with desert sheep we don't want to really go unit by unit crank out every single thing you can tell in our desert sheep odds the odds are terrible

they give you all five choices all five choices count there's so few guys that draw as far as non-residents you know even if they drew their third choice and the fourth and fifth aren't truly valid there's so few tags that you could not uh there's not a mathematical difference in my you know enough to even note within our table so they do allow you to do all five choices that's like jason said it's worth pointing out we highly recommend you do that maybe not for every species if you're only an oak you know antelope for instance if you if you only want the top couple units you might only do the top two or three units but you are able to put for five and they look at all five of your choices before going to the next applicant so rank them in order of usually best to you know worst but even though it might be just number one through number five and they're all great

options but pick them in the order that you want them that's the that's the take-home we're pretty high on a lot of those southern units uh unit 262 263 268 271 even which you know as recent as 15 years ago was probably one of the worst in the state 140 and 150s rams smoked 179 inch or almost 180 uh last year so anyway great opportunities in those units 267 always has something in there uh sometimes you access that by boat and some of the aggressive guys and there's always a little crossover there between the blacks and muddies but uh anyway great opportunities almost doesn't matter what unit there's a couple of new things uh non-residents can now apply for unit 162 163 out there at warm springs we've seen the rams just chilling uh right there and and uh they're scattered right there from their north and uh you know high kill rates good solid sheep good solid rams

mid 160s generally the biggest but you know adams we've talked about a lot of these guys you know haven't really put their hands on a lot of sheep but sheep are hard to judge i don't know how much time necessarily they have to devote to it and and so you know it's different everybody knows what a big deer is they know that if it's got eight points on a side and 35 inches wide it's giant it's harder to judge sheep and so anyway they did smoke 170 incher last year so it just proves that there's great rams there so and then there's a whole lot of i think there's 20 23 or four total non-resident desert sheep units none of them are bad some are tougher than others but there's something for everything if you just need 145 155 inch ram every unit nevada can produce that there's really not a bad one some are

tougher than others but glean through the comments there find one that fits what you're looking for and you know some people a lot of people will put at least a one trophy unit down and three or four better odds units down there but if you're going to be playing for deer and elk throw it in for sheep california bighorn one well one other oh one other thing oh there was there's another new option that oh four five one five three of course uh doesn't have giants necessarily they did kill 172 incher back in 2015 but but uh it's clear up north a lot of high kill rates i mean we're talking 100 percent on every year but way up north up not just under those cali bighorns that's right you cross the freeway and you're magically a california bighorn all right jump on in nevada you cross the freeway you're magically now cali there's a line and they don't cross

okay how about yeah and they're mainly segregated by habitat but that's their line in the sand so but this year i guess if there is a bright point on the calis we're just teasing by the way we've got a couple of cross we're just teasing they've got they've they've been normally only having three or four options for non-residents now there's six and so there's literally going to be you're able to fill up all five choices 051 and 068 are now available for non-residents which have been really producing some great sheep frankly 051 is probably the best unit period residents or non-residents for california bighorn in nevada actually that uh yeah that 175 incher that's listed is is actually got a photo of him on page 22 ron kearney good buddy of ours adam kearney his dad smoked that ram an absolute monster

and that was out of 051 it's good to know that he he doesn't you know has cool running through his veins unlike adam can finish the job on about how much you think old kearney's listening to this i hope so yeah he does get a little excited all right so anyway great great options on the california bighorn again the points are separated you got desert points california bighorn points for an extra 10 bucks be applying and they call the nelson sheep don't we get a lot of calls for from people hey what's the desert sheep i got california and i got nelson where's the desert the nelson are the desert sheep it's the subspecies nelson bighorn that's right in in nevada they call them nelson and and but that's a desert sheep don't let that throw you off so let's jump to elk cool let's do it yeah elk we're we're a fan for sure that uh there's a lot it doesn't matter the elk unit in our publication

we list them all that are available to non-residents there's a few that are resident only type units we don't list those but anything that's available to non-residents we do have the odds obviously and this pertains to all species the resident and non-resident on the units that we list of course on our website the hunt planter section you can see every unit resident non-resident whatever and and uh you can kind of check that out if we don't have it listed there in the publication that's course with 100 membership um but as we jump into elk we do want to do want to say there's there's i had a good buddy draw that 06206 on the muzzle and it was off the charts and he's he's like and he's the luckiest sucker freaking paul marshall is unbelievably lucky and he's like well you know should i apply for i want the best i

probably can't go i'm like dude do that 06206 muzzle of course it's on fire he draws it oh the fire's happening fire with loose pyrodex in your pockets and stuff is that a good combination i don't know we're not talking about on fire we're not talking about it's hot for big bulls we're talking it is literally burning with flames all over in the units during the hunt yeah a lot of part of the units was closed of course opened up and they were killing a few big bulls in the black of the burn awesome unit unbelievable september 1st the 16th uh muzzleloader hunt where a lot of these hunts are october 22nd november 5th generally speaking especially like those heli units i mean you're got a little bit different season date there after the rut but before the winter you know hits or even close to it so yeah unlike some of the other states like you know arizona utah that grow big bulls

you know new mexico even doesn't have very many you know early hunts october 1st is about the earliest you can hunt with a firearm nevada they're very rare they have a rifle hunt in 161 through 173 table mountain and all that that that used to be frankly in our opinion a whole lot better than it probably is right now it's a unique hunt september 17 to 30th because of the access and the remoteness and uh you know frankly i wouldn't want to be there in late november either so giving that opportunity and then like you alluded some of the muzzleloader hunts up in the northern part of the state early september but for the most part let's just say 80 percent of out of the archery hunt go first they start the end of uh august i think the 25th and go till like what 16th 16th 17th of september in about 80 percent of the state and then you move into the muzzleloader hunts in most of the state

again late october to early november then you get into the rifle hunts for most of the state again they're in november and we'll put on their early early means no early november that's late it's late november early december pay attention to that so anyway when you pick an early hunt you might be thinking that's my september early that's what i'm after the early hunt means um november 6th to 20th just it's just before the late one that's right that's all so anyway yeah other than other than adam alluded to the area 16 161 164 171 173 that's right so anyway yeah and the archery hunts do go august 25th to september 16th this is this is just generally speaking there are some that are august 16th to the 31st before the rut really gets going but if it goes till the 16th starts august 25th we see a lot of these big bulls really starting to rut september 1st it's a little bit early

compared to a lot of states they do they are they do read earlier in the 111 to 115 continues to be incredible the 220s great great opportunity there 131 132 is coming on there's there's been some big bulls at 121 yeah man i mean we had a buddy hunt it and it was kind of off the charts he loved it any any tag you get for elk in nevada is a trophy tag it's it's meaning rare to come by tough drawing odds no matter what there's so few non-resident tags it's just limited resource to begin with it's not necessarily in dow's fault they're not they're not uh yeah screwing us per se it's just just tough they they they really manage well and they've had a huge increase in opportunity if you look at the tags now versus 10 or 15 years ago for elk they've been able to maintain quality there for a few years that

feel like their tags got higher than maybe what quality could sustain but it feels like that's not the i mean that's balanced out and for the most part these are one or two tag in your lifetime you got a seven year wait after you draw an elk tag and then we generally tell people plan on 10 to 20 years to draw an elk tag that's just a general you know it's not something you plan on quick nevada if we didn't mention it already they square your bonus points which means you simply just get a bunch more names in the hat every year the more points you get but you never predictably know when you're going to get drawn it just happens and so uh we generally tell people it's a long wait 10 to 20 years then you get a seven year wait so it's a one or two in your life and that seven year wait only pertains to elk

there's three years on antelope nothing for deer thank thank you nothing okay let's keep it at that and then as far as uh sheep we got a 10 year wait which in our opinion maybe should be once in a lifetime of course we got fried for it last time we mentioned that but we just feel like nevada there's a lot of residents even and i'm i'm speaking for residents i mean non-residents obviously but residents are dying of old age not getting their sheep tag and applied for 30 years so anyway we're a little bit sensitive to that we we feel bad for these guys we want them to you know while their buddies may have killed two sheep maybe maybe two deserts and a cali yeah there are some that have done three yeah and so anyway chris i want to oh i'm gonna put you on the spot okay give us a give us a fun elk story up on mariah how about that how about that oh how did a lot of elk up there

dude you've had a lot of elk up there you've hunted a lot of different places um you know even in 231 in fact 231 i had with my brother-in-law i've been giving you just a minute to think for a second anyway i had it with my brother-in-law on the late rifle this last year had a blast he ended up killing a 350 inch class bull um spent a lot of time with him of course have to give him a little hard time matt wolfley freaking needs new tires there's a guy right there that buys a lot of vehicles and and he had factory tires and i think he ruined three of four of them but anyway had a good time with him and uh of course it was crappy weather i mean it was crappy rain snow cold long distance glass and long distance shooting if you can and hike your guts out so all right there i was i just backpacking all i would just say nevada is one of the funnest places i've ever hunted elk

and it mostly in the archery but it's one of those states that you can get there and you can be there during the crazy rut like prime time yeah it's like nevada bulls do are crazy yeah oh yeah they get it's what happens when you don't have the pressure yeah they get they get you know only to the 16th with a bow but which most people say that's not great dates it's not much different than utah's dates but they rut different in nevada they do utah dates are only maybe end the 12th or 13th this year i would take a nevada archery over utah every year was was a giant non-typical points everywhere and he moved clear from the top wilderness country came out to the roaded country sitting on a wallow hammers him sits there for like the first evening or whatever hammers him and uh ends up being a bull

that we had on trail camera what eight miles away nine miles away moved into the end of august yes but he was froth oh yeah so that's that's to me is is why i love that archery season in nevada so much is it's it's just a true when you imagine elk hunting in the rut that's what i my experience has been with it is you get bulls screaming and fighting and you can get in there and one of the funnest things i ever saw was we're sitting there on the hill and you start to just hear these bulls fighting and you couldn't even see them yet yeah just you can hear the horns clashing and rush them yeah we basically that's what we did we rushed them and we we crept in there and they're preoccupied fighting and we were able to stock in didn't end up shooting one of the bulls but but it was just fun to be able to get that close

to these bulls just going head to head just a crazy experience and and i don't know many places that you really get that opportunity and what i think what i find interesting is when we're talking about the archery in a lot of the units dude people are seeing 380 class bulls we're not you know what i mean it's not it's kind of common lingo over there and it's just kudos to endow's management um you know they changed up the street season structure mid 2000s and we were everybody was hammering on them but then the bulls kind of get used to being hunted during those new season dates and and structure and uh and of course you know you adjust tag numbers and whatnot but now we're back in big bulls again it's where we feel like utah we feel like has kind of seen its glory days although there's going to be a

few big bulls not we're not we're not going to lie there's going to be some giants killed this year but uh it does feel like nevada's kind of coming back adam you spend some time in in nevada

elk cutting yeah yeah well i was supposed to be looking for deer at the time but i got preoccupied on elk so you know but i've always i've been labeled a non-conformer most of my life good fun inside stories we've got a lot of history in nevada um i i drew a tag clear back in early 2000 ate my tag of course i ate a lot of tags so anybody that's eating tags out there don't feel too bad of being near choked and died on my tags so that's right let's talk about deer yeah something fun jason so wow plethora that's the word that comes to mind when you talk about deer options in nevada so many options depending on what the correct pronunciation is because frankly i don't know

plethora okay all right i have no idea either i don't i'm pretty sure it's plethora okay we we've just written that word once or twice laughing here and if you see something in the magazine sometimes we're just on a tangent it's a three in the morning comment and it sticks somehow well uh one thing i one thing i want to talk about um just a little bit off the subject but it really pertains to deer is season dates is season dates make or break hunts across the west we're talking if it's colorado deer in november late november early november october rifle hunts whether it be archery muzzle that makes or breaks deer we got late archeries in in nevada that that are rut hunts that are incredible that nobody even thinks about a very i take very few calls on that no that's true no you don't they don't have very many of the super late ones in nevada a couple over by reno yeah you

know the 08 one's always one that comes up there both you know not just the rifle even the archery and muzzle rubies you know rubies when it comes to you know archery deer yeah you know you get some of those there but nevada i think that's the way they maximize and maintain pretty good quality is they don't cream deer on very many rut hunts they they have august to early september archery hunts for the most part that's right a few exceptions some of them also have a november archery hunt which is a unique opportunity but not the bulk of the tags then right then you got you know september 10 to october 4 in most places is the muzzleloader season these are long seasons you know month-long archery almost a month-long muzzleloader and in most cases you know a two to four week long rifle hunt you know some units have two or three rifle hunts so widow maker type tags but but i mean if

you spend the whole time you're gonna get divorced huh oh i see i was wondering where we're going widow maker is like uh i mean they're on a ski slope they have a widow maker is a double black diamond in certain places like that okay these are times being selfish you're being once in a lifetime tag you're being literal that they're widow they're little makers literally i got you well yeah pretty literal like anyway so yes august 10th you know they're barely they're barely finished some bucks aren't even finished growing but that's what's awesome about nevada what else is going on you're gonna oh you're gonna be hunting sheep somewhere and i'm gonna be texting you on the inreach hunting deer nevada i'll be home by the tent okay that's my prediction so anyway but some of the first first yeah you look at social media wherever nevada starts blowing is the first stuff to die oh yeah

this year this year people's social media is going to be off the charts i'm not posting a ton this time of year it's just it's a grind here in the office but august the fuzz is going to be everywhere this august the big bucks are going to be there and i'll probably still be a little quiet that time of year because we're trying to kill the stuff we've found but that's right anyway of course another thing nevada makes us quit running trail cameras at the end of july can't run them after august 1st which hey i don't i don't care what a state does all all good and dandy they want to do that no problem we we uh conform and do it form and play by the rules but it does make guys hunt you know what i mean you're not going to go check one thing i love freaking trail cameras because it's always like christmas you walk up to them and if you had your deer water the night before it keeps

the momentum going on a such a grind some of these hunts can suck so bad of course chris you know we've had them you know well and you're had one you're hunting one deer we've had hunts we would have basically given up because we're not seeing still freaking here after five days he hits and like oh my gosh he's still and we wasted 20 more days because he kept watering and we never killed him yeah tell us tell us about buster buster sucked but we're talking a mid-30s upper 30s inch type 230 inch with cheaters going everywhere and when he waters every other night or every third night you gotta stick around that country yeah yeah and they're you know five grand later and gas and food and lodging pretty soon you just at some point you have to give up a couple near-death experience with stallions walking out in the dark and i mean gosh come on up on their hind legs it's true

harder harder running like the wind come on come on well here here is the deal snakes how's that in the dark coming out archery greens i've been i've dealt my all green well same i mean hobby green non-stop like i go to wikipedia and i'm like dude that's what i saw right there how about that but yeah this the the horses are unbelievable we're tired of wild horses out there they're ruining the springs um nevada will tell you anybody that lives in nevada will tell you that there needs to be i mean we're friends with government agencies i'm not trying to say that it's anyone's particular fault but the blm if they're going to force end out a managed wildlife they need to be managing wild horses and and and we need to shut the liberals down to let them manage you know we can't anyway to go out and fly around them up and then then they end up

uh you know making them so they can't get pregnant for a few years or whatever that's not cutting it it's just not cutting it and so it's i mean very frustrating yeah they're how do you say it politically correct bronson

ah yeah that's a tough one the wild horse and burrow act protects them like like an endangered species they literally are like that oh you'd be better off for all intents purposes shooting a person than shooting a horse pretty much so but but they're yeah the mustangs that have been here a long time but a lot of these have now been diluted the blm and places out that would throw out you know uh studs and that to help get some genetic diversity going in there to make these things worse not only do we got lots of horses we got pretty horses yeah now about so somebody would want to take them and i'm not in that bashing the blm but i just think these what we have out there are not the spanish mustangs from from a thousand years ago and let's keep them preserved they're not but they're turnbacks they're getting a horse in a crowd yeah you're down you're you're

down in the muddies you're down in the muddies and they got wild horses down burls but just people kick loose because hey that's costing me 300 bucks a month to feed that thing i'm done or board it or give it shots or you gotta get cogging's blood every time you cross the state line with i mean they're like they're done it's just like an old lemon that they drive out to some wash and jump off they do that to their horses and over time that's that's contributed to it it's not the source of all the horses in nevada please hear what i'm saying but it's beyond a joke in other states like utah and southwest desert beyond a joke there too it is unbelievable and it's the resource is just getting crushed and especially in arid states with very very limited water sources they're going in they're ruining the springs and all vegetation within a mile of the spring horse trails are

four feet wide i mean it's unbelievable yeah that is so rent ran over we can't hunt them and can't we just need more horse eating lions huh yeah we've heard of a few specializers yeah yeah but anyway um season where's a good place season dates are awesome that the early rifle deer hunts beware they're gonna they're gonna be a grind man there's no question october 5th to october 20th is the smartest time of year for a deer but let's be frank i guess on take a tag when you can get it on being reality and getting drawn because the percentage of tags that they give in the late rifle hunts are so small everybody wants to draw a late hunt right um you have a lot less hunters of field the bucks are getting a little ruddy or pre-ruddy at least in many cases but they you know those are pipe dreams my best deer in nevada personal best came from an october 9th type

hunt i mean it was an october 9th i think that was the day i killed it i had to go back back in 2003 but uh anyway second second day of the hunt anyway but just saying and it wasn't a buck ahead pre-scout we didn't have trail cameras back then i knew the deer the year before and then i found his sheds that the night before i killed him but uh just so happened he grew a bunch he was the right age anyway the end at the end of the day all i'm saying is if you don't have a tag you're not going to kill a big deer so you're saying draw a tag even if it's an early rifle especially and we we maybe haven't talked about this too much yet but this year nevada is it's the driest state in the nation utah's second and we're both in most places 150 to 200 percent of normal snowpack wow right i mean i'm not i'm not breaking news here i'm not breaking news here no that's true and it rained all

night last night here in cedar which is very close to nevada i was gonna get up and look at the radar every time it rains here if it even looks like rain here we're looking at the radar but if there's a year that there you might get away with having more uh a better chance to kill a 180 deer on an earlier hunt it might be a year like this when they're having moisture and growing more of them period than there were a year ago was brewed on i agree and i actually applied for an early rifle by the way so another foreshadowing for him to share that late into the by the end of the podcast let's talk about truck chasers antelope have been doing really well in nevada in in several of the units um you know we've highlighted them in our publication you can check it out um great opportunity it's another 10 add-on throw it in there well they've got they don't give us muzzle order options for

non-residents but they do give us archery and rifle hunts we've highlighted those especially the better ones and uh great opportunity to kill 80 80 inch plus goat so again one of those just a premium hunt not that not talking species necessarily but uh the hunt i mean you're out there in the middle of nowhere some of that country and uh man you just fall in love with it out there so let's move on yeah nevada we love it but you don't get to hunt as often as you want that's the best way to put it so montana apply apply we already we already had the deadline we talked a little bit about the deer and elk that deadline is coming gone it was march 15th the results actually are pending here in the next 10 days two weeks you should find out something there on the deer and elk results in montana but this issue

of the magazine we cover the sheep moose and goat which have a may 1st applicant and bison which have a may 1st application deadline the antelope we also included that um but it is june 1st for the antelope so and then point only july 1st to september 30th so that's right keep that in mind if you're sitting it out that is new the last couple of years you used to have to swing for the fence put the best unit in the state for moose sheep and goat and weird to say but hope you don't draw and that's the only way you could get a point but now you can do points only for sheep moose and goat for 75 bucks each in the summer uh basic basically you have to buy a base hunting license non-residents we'll just talk for residence is 10 bucks non-residents 15 bucks then you get a conservation stamp for 10 bucks non-residents and then it's a 50 application fee for sheep moose and goat plus

for the sheep moose and goat 20 point for optional you know you don't have to buy into that it's probably not even worth applying for it they're 18 years into a squared point system for sheep moose and goat if you just want to name in the hat i guess you can do that without you know but you're paying 50 bucks plus you're paying 80 or 90 bucks why not pay 20 bucks more so that's what you're saying yes to clarify let's pay that extra 20 bucks get the don't apply unless you're going to build a point that's my my two cents that's right what you know what's the difference so anyway don't have to front the tag fee you can jump in um you know it's good to have a name in the hat tough to draw but it's also tough to quantify the drawing odds we're limited to 10 of a region's quota is non-residents and so that could be drawn in you tags that's right and we're in the we're in the hat

with residents everybody's in the hat together non-residents are limited they say 10 of the regional cap but if you analyze the drawing odds it usually it's not like we can draw five unit 680 tags right it never happens we never exceed 10 in the individual unit either that's available because there's so few attacks within these regions excuse me there's so few units available to non-residents so when you get their paper application on there it prints the units that non-residents are eligible to apply for and that changes from year to year however we've been able to apply for the breaks forever it feels like but they do have uh new opportunities as well as opportunities that leave us you know as well units that are not available so that were last year we cover all the ram hunts in the magazine that are open to non-residents um there's only like you know seven and seven or eight of them

not counting the unlimited hunts um it's it's worth pointing out montana is the only state that you can just buy a sheep tag over the counter and go hunt big horn sheep over the counter meaning during the application period if you buy it over the counter you can still apply for a point in the summer that's right but by law they only let you apply one time so if you were to you can actually apply for the unlimited you're gonna get it but yep that's right and then you can't if you participate in the point system it'll take your points yeah it will so don't do that if you want to try that just buy it right now before a may 1st online or if you're in montana go buy it let's talk about the reality of that because those hunts are butt kickers they're frankly units that have sprinklings of guys even montana

residents that have never killed a sheep in the montana maybe every year or professed to hunt it most every year you know and maybe they do and they have nothing to show for it's tough and so yeah it these are these are units that frankly if they were a limited quota unit and they allowed you to kill any ram they would still have low harvest success so it's just big vast back country some of them have park migration issues like unit 303 that you got yellowstone park sheep drift in and out over the border you can still and they have produced a few great rams there some of the units in the azurka that's i mean that's awesome but it's one of those things you are taking a little bit of a chance they're unlimited for a reason doesn't necessarily mean um you know that you're gonna get a sheep i mean a lot of guys if if it was that easy everybody would be doing it that's right

however you want to they have legal quotas all of them this year happen to be two ram quotas they got to be three-quarter curl or greater to be legal it's not like you can just go shoot a sickle horn and call it a day and i killed one it's got to be three-quarter curl and you have to inspect that and if it's not they're taking the sheep from you giving you a citation because uh and you're it's just like a lot of cougar and bear hunts you have it's your responsibility every day through in through satellite phone or whatever means to check the quota if it fills and you're hunting you can't just say well i'm gonna pretend i don't know and i'm gonna hunt out here for another week crush another doesn't work doesn't work that way the burden is on your shoulders you're gonna go to you're gonna go to jail you're gonna lose your firstborn uh very similar to shooting a grizzly on a blackbird tag

so as we move along here we also covered the same thing for our moose units we've covered that we also put in bold some of what we figure is the best units to apply for you know just some of these moose and goat units just aren't generally what are considered to be montana's best you know it's just one of those tough years i guess if you're a moose and a goat hunter it is and uh montana moose in general uh have seen better days and there are a few key units down in the southeastern part of the state in some of the gaps we'll call them the gap units where they've had some wolf removal through depredation and things like that that haven't just absolutely decimated their moose other parts of the state they are showing some sign of recovery as wolf harvest has either been allowed or been done by usda wildlife services but it does feel like since we've been able to kill these wolves

idaho and montana have seen a something a change better than a spiraling down yes better elk populations better quality in a lot of this country so it's kind of kind of fun actually wolf hunting's actually become somewhat difficult yeah um they're they're savvy but to your point you know there's 20 some odd moose units available this year to non-residents many of which are again weren't available last year like you alluded earlier they rotate units available to non-residents we list them all we go through five years of drying odds five years of harvest success things like that and break down units that we glean from talking to biologists outfitters other hunters that hunt these units to try to give you a true representation of what's there we do the same thing with mountain goats like you've alluded some of the

perennial uh favorites you know square butte bridge some of those aren't available this year uh the north big belt mountains is and that's a unit that's been reopened again a couple years ago great opportunity you know one guy's gonna get a tag and if you're it you're gonna have a great goat hunt but for the most part moose and goats in montana are just representative good average quality not going to kill very many ben and crockett goats in montana you killed a goat in montana i did 2003 one of the rare yeah you know very very tough to draw and adam ended up going up there um had a great hunt actually self-guided and did it on her own and wilton grizz country it was country 2000 you were in and around grizz track that's right oh yeah tracked them so it was good we got lucky it was like the third year they even started a point system when i drew so can't wait

for you to draw moose up there it's gonna be awesome i cringe every time max points right here how about that luckily they have a points on the option now because if there's nothing that's really really so you're not sure exactly i'll probably put in for something but throw something down yes but we also cover antelope moving from moose to antelope how's that segue i mean and uh yeah it's awesome uh antelope is is one of the species they do make you pay the permit fee up front it's only 205 bucks when you apply it's it's nothing but antelope in general in montana are our opportunity um they're they do grow some boone and crockett bucks that are scattered around the state in general we we favor the the central and eastern part of the state some of those like the unit 700 cluster you can hunt all the unit 700 units that's right and the 900 option for antelope you

get to hunt two-thirds of the state where there's antelope and you know good opportunity hunts generally not tough to draw and uh we cover the best units that we feel to apply for antelope there do you have to front the tag fees they don't keep much of that if you don't draw they do have a point c system in general two to five points will get you an antelope tag although again it's not predictable they square your points for those so you just get more and more names of the hat since it happens rather fast by the time you get five names five points 25 additional names the hat your five points squared you start you're probably going to draw a tag you might draw the first year though it's worth bearing out any of these montana hunts we're talking about you could draw the first year you put in you could be that lucky so how about that anyway um bison a couple of hunts on the north

and west side of yellowstone national park we highlight those very tough drawing odds it is a free range hunt very weather dependent snow driving bison out of the park both on the west yellowstone side and the gardener side but is one of the one of the few states that you can have a free range public land bison hunt if you want to if you want to apply for yeah yeah definitely it's one of those a few options not not a one not an incredible opportunity yes some years it's rough if it doesn't snow that's right like we saw a little bit in wyoming this last year bison bison are smart animals you know they know where they're safe they know where they don't get harassed they like to stay in those areas until they have to leave because forage or whatever gets covered up by five feet of snow we also have kansas we wanted to breeze over that real quick uh we have hunted kansas chris you've hunted

kansas i've hunted kansas adam you killed a freaking good buck in kansas muley muley so anyway uh great opportunity you apply for a white tail tag and and then of course they've got mule deer as well they've got mule deer stamps they're on a draw for the mule deer stamps without a point system the white tail tags have a point system and then uh you know so you'll be into that and if you don't draw on the on the mule deer you're still at the 442 dollar white tail tags so it's one of those things there's got they've got good opportunities for deer especially in in units two one 17 we of course i was my dad when we killed a 220 inch you're out in the milo field you know that's right took a lawn chair out there and chilled out and 30 wait for him to stand up while you're in there chris chris lost a lot of his water actually

drank it gave some away and ended up being pretty parched that day and smoked a buck uh with a muzzle loader and it was awesome so anyway great opportunity there private lands you just you can't you have to address that issue i mean a lot of private in kansas you need a place to go call us we've got outfitters we work with that you can go they also have walk-in areas chris you you hunted the walk-in yep and it was great it's just one of those things you have to be prepared when you go because it is so predominantly private private land so you've got to kind of be prepared have a good mapping system gps that's what i did as i just went with i had the early version of onyx maps on my gps and that was a lifesaver if i didn't have that it wouldn't have been possible application period up there is april 1st to the

26th this month and so anyway very easy to draw that we've kind of listed that it's very easy to get those tags although you know it was a guaranteed at one point adam yeah it's kind of changing with everything else you need a point to guarantee everything um there's a lot that you can get with zero points but one point will guarantee every white tail tag once again emphasize the fact if you're only interested in mule deer you have to put a white tail unit down first and then if you are successful and check the mule deer stamp option for an additional whatever it is 152 dollars uh then they'll put you in a random mule deer stamp drawing if you don't draw that you're stuck with a white tail attack 440 bucks that you may not want if you're just interested in mule deer it's kind of a sure you want it's kind of a tough system i went out there and used 15s how about that almost shot him

long distance 400 and something yards so anyway ended up smoking he's a great buck of course you can see a piece of him right there at the top of the head of the header of kansas chris threw a piece up there so anyway chris does a good job john his brother as well and publishing this magazine thank them for that chris would you hunt it again would you would you do the walk-ins again i've heard great things where guys are overlooking that walking country i definitely would it's not don't get me wrong it's not easy it's definitely a challenge and and you're going to go in there and a lot of those walking areas are just have a lot of people in there but there's also a high population of deer and you can legitimately kill a deer on a small piece of land yeah and so that's an awesome thing the other thing i really like about kansas is if you want to go grab a rifle tag the season dates

are pretty awesome i mean a lot of the stuff has ended here in the west by then and so first of december you can go to kansas and go hunt something whether you're interested in white or not 4th yeah december 4th to the 15th of course the archery is september 16th to december 31st yeah very very so it's kind of cool that you've got a hunt that you can do in december and go out there and even if you've never done it before just go try it out and yeah right on well you know we do want to thank red rock precision for sponsoring uh this podcast as well as being a an advertiser in our publication we worked with red rock for many many years uh shot their guns for many years killed a lot of stuff i've smoked some bulls in uh new mexico and and made some pretty amazing shots with their rifles so anyway

appreciate them uh if you need a new rifle you're looking to to get a precision gun definitely would visit with them uh give them a holler it's uh 801-425-6574 www.redrockprecision.com adam and i both shoot their rifles chris you've used their rifles they actually even lent you a rifle they did uh when yours was kind of in limbo you know what i'm saying and uh they had it dialed and of course you went out to colorado last year you and john both smoked bucks i don't know how far you guys haven't really admitted that mine was seven it's like 750 and john's was 400 yeah it was just i couldn't believe how rock solid that thing was also want to give a shout out to outdoor edge they've been a good support of us uh here at epic outdoors their outdoor edge razor light series we've actually got a uh epic outdoors signature knife made in that which we'll have some details later in the month

you might be able to pick one of those up so outdoor edge outdoor edge.com appreciate their support with those great knives replaceable blade knives with a stiff upper you know backing on the blade as well so you just don't break these like you do other replaceable blade knives so we all use them don't leave without them yeah if you're gonna apply for all these tags you're probably gonna draw one you're gonna need to gut something so anyway definitely awesome yeah razor lights are in my pack door panels everywhere every kid's back speaking of gut some your boys are a little older than mine but have you taught them how to gut something i haven't we quarter we quarter them my kids i find myself when we get all the meat off cape everything ready to go now then they want to carve in to see the guts and i'm like that's why i do it this way so i don't have to do that i do find it interesting uh

i'm not gonna i i don't feel like reaming a butthole every time yeah you know i don't and that's part of gutting an animal you know and and uh i don't really feel like being elbow deep and guts anymore like it's not don't need to dude it's faster you're gonna have to skin them anyway i just don't i don't quite get it i think ripping the quarters off the back strap we even do a slight incision right under the backbone you've got the tender ones you can get them out with the guts in there yeah that's right don't touch neck meat shoulder you know hind quarters i mean why teach our kids to how to do it once though just so they know well they need to they need to know yeah and they need to they need to appreciate the gutless method that's right the first deer i remember i ever got a guy killing i was 14 my brother was 11 dad we were on a deer hunt archery deer first year shot a two-point

opening day i was lucky it was a two-point because it was either sex back then i might have shot a doe if i would have seen it first but i shot two point okay dropping a bomb on them i might have but i anyway let this 44 pound carol bow you used to you start off a carol 44 pounder from south south east utah moab carol bowes and i killed this buck and literally my dad had left me you know photocopies that are tearing out pages from outdoor life of how to gut a deer you know we had it in our little fanny packs or whatever my brother we didn't have a pack to bone it out or anything with this is yes mid 80s you know yes middle eight 80s and uh you know here we were turning the page aaron and i and my brother 14 11 you know i killed it my dad went up in the where the big deer were you know yeah big hike and we were just farting around the cabin and uh killed this little buck it was awesome but

baptism by fire so to speak right it was like there's your dead deer i got a knife we gotta figure this out yeah i i would love to have seen a seen a video of that because then we did it and we drug it back about half mile back to the cabin trying to hang it up when my dad got back and he's just laughing he's just like what are you doing well he's proud of course he's proud but he's just you know i don't know what was left in the cavity if we got it all out or not but uh yeah we tried but anyway no i get it the gutless method versus getting them they need to know they're going to be in a deer camp back east and they're going to be like what you mean son you never got it a deer you know and i mean you know it is what it is right you wouldn't believe jason carter's boys here he'd never even get it a buck that's how we do it here son we freaking got them we hang them by a gamble and we

get them into a trash can i know it's true you know and so anyway uh i mean same thing we used to we used to hang our meat and let it age for a week to two weeks and when it got a little bit of mold on it that's right you would cut the outside oh man and i mean nowadays it's we can't get it to the meat processor fast enough and of course we eat it tastes good you know i don't remember back then if it made a difference i mean i haven't let a deer mold i don't know i don't remember the last time yeah it's not part of the problem is vinegar to clean it off and to really kind of take that little bit of a part of the problem is where you we're also going pretty hard in the fall like yeah like if and we're hunting earlier seasons seems like our deer hunt we're hunting late october now we're killing stuff in august september there's no hanging stuff yeah it's got to go to the locker and if it's

in there you might as well let them cut it up for an after 75 bucks get it cut up can't get to the next hunt fast enough of course we got 14 kids a piece and not that many we are from utah people you listeners but we're not that that's not that's not us you know we got three or four each right jason yeah three for me four for you yeah not 14 so that's clear the air on that but anyway and they each want to kill a couple animals a piece dad needs four or five and then and uh it just ends up being a lot so you got to get them to lockers and processed and whatnot so anyway i guess that kind of does it's interesting is is you can uh you know you end up uh with quite a bit of hunting opportunity people that say there's not opportunities out there just not it's not an accurate statement and they're not willing to just go go do something and either either either fail or just make something

out of nothing you know state lines are an imaginary line anymore we'll go we'll go across the state line to eat dinner at them and so anyway it just doesn't even it doesn't even phase us anymore um speaking of which maybe there'll be a time where we're all just equal citizens and we're not non-residents how about that all right as we uh as we kind of close out this podcast we uh want to thank everybody for listening we do have uh stories in this magazine of course these publications are freaking big thick and 150 pages a piece we're cramming everything we can in there um there's a lot of information it's packed with stuff we also got the hunt planner online epic outdoors.com if you're a member you can go on there there's all kinds of stuff i mean quick references to what the state uh regulations are

as far as age uh age restrictions and kids applying or weapons or whatever there's just all kinds of information we've got out there online and so anyway pretty awesome opportunity um like to thank phone scope we appreciate uh their support here at epic outdoors um you know we use their stuff we don't have there's not a time that we uh leave the truck without a phone scope uh device in our pack where we can video on our phone through our binoculars spot and scope or whatever and so you gotta have one if you don't video it didn't happen go to phone scope.com and uh and get get yours today yeah if you haven't got the april issue it should be arriving any day uh it's in the mail it comes straight from the printer a lot of folks call us here at the office asking us when we mail them out they they get sent to the

printer they do their job they get turned around fulfilled and shipped right from there so you should get them any day it's uh you know again the nevada deadline's pushed back it's normally been about the 17th 18th ish of the month in april pushing it back to the 29th leaves a little bit more room to be able to get everything in and again the other states that we covered kansas uh due to the 26th i believe it was and then montana may 1st so you got plenty of time to get it in give us a call if something's not clear to you but full full bore ahead green light central nevada this year deer now green get tagged get a tag get a tag that's right central and uh to whoever the anonymous person was that dropped these green monsters off ultra paradise i don't know who it was but this was yesterday dropped off a half a dozen of those uh this podcast was brought to you by that and if you

and and we spoke a little faster when we drank of course i i cheated on monster and tried a little bit of a red bull but having said that we we're gonna quit uh monsters aren't good for you and neither are red bulls and so we've actually slowed down quite a bit and got a lot of guys might be surprised about that but we don't want to die early we've got a lot of animals to kill yet got a lot of goals and hunting aspirations desires want to see my kids reach at least college age and so we're gonna try to gonna try to slow the flow but who did drop those by i don't know brody bell we appreciate you brody i think we're out to lunch when he dropped those by yeah yeah thanks brody good job we appreciate a little little gift here and there it's kind of nice keeps us going of course here in the office we get looking at these same 14 walls and it drives us a little crazy this time of

year so all right well uh like i say we appreciate everybody all the support um do we're gonna do any kind of a giveaway chris you want to throw anything out there let's do a pair of boots yeah boots on the ground there's nothing like scouting with boots on the ground under armor boots okay let's do it let's throw it out there let's give away a pair of fat tires today um let's go on to our website go on to the podcast portion of the website epic outdoors.com and uh let's enter promo code chia pet chia pet for a chia pet year how about that it's chia pet year any of you kids out there don't know what a chia pet is watch old reruns on tv from the 80s or 90s uh late at night and you'll probably see this uh little growing sprouts it was like a ceramic animal where you watered it and it grew before your

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don't need to go pastry pub or something like that that's right get all the vitamins minerals you need on top of by the way we were looking at the back of these cans and there are vitamins in here that i don't think we get other than in monster i mean carnitine uh tartrate um there these things are unbelievable this in o-siddle uh paradoxine hydrochloride hydrochloride sounds awesome it's probably really good for a guy uh what's that last one right that one's the last one that sounds like the first part of the word is cyanide cyan well cyan no i mean it's close it's resembles it's close so last i know that killed that killed coyotes but it's probably a cousin or something anyway uh don't drink them we're slowing down promise there's going to be a day and age we don't look at that that is the donald trump chia pet that boom i just don't i just googled

donald trump chia heads golden girl chia heads 24.95 come on chris i googled donald trump chia pet okay oh you did yeah because i knew that i knew they made them really so i was like these guys will laugh at that jeez all right well chia pet get your pair of fat tires go to the epic outdoors website the podcast section type that in chris you're gonna have a deadline for that you know i want to set a deadline yeah it'll be one week from today which is the fourth of april and the deadline for that's going to be seven days after that perfect okay all right all right whatever that means the 11th april 11th apply apply apply deadline get you a pair a pair of boots from under armor appreciate them let's get out of here it's hot yes chip it