EP 128: Our First 200 Inch Bucks

and i can see in lines and i'm like this is off this is a no-brainer shooter i looked down right below me about 250 yards and there's the buck we think you should get out and hunt any way you can anything to do with western big game welcome to the epic outdoors podcast powered by under armor hey everybody jason carter adam bronson jeffrey john and chris peterson here coming at you with some more hunting stories uh anyway last week we talked about a few hunting stories kind of got just things just getting going and we were talking a little bit about uh maybe some of more of our firsts so anyway before we get started we'd like to thank under armor for sponsoring these podcasts we appreciate them and all their support here at epic outdoors and a lot coming down the pipe with them got a lot of new

products so does a lot of other advertisers here at epic outdoors and supporters uh qu's got a new backpack and a bunch of different things coming out we'll be having them on the podcast as well yeah and uh anyway so a lot of good stuff going on this time of year which is basically the end of june first part of july um of course we got fourth of july jen is like hey what are we doing for the fourth of july i said well and jason instantly i know what's going to your brain check truck cameras yeah here's an option so they have this little park rv park we could pull our camp trailer over there you did not in kelly and you did not say this and then you did not yeah and then we could run cameras and then we would have you know be able to eat together as a family once in a while back at camp jason if you've listened to all these fourth of july it's the fourth of july jeff i know you speak

spanish jason doesn't but i know he probably knows this one what does caliente mean and you're going the fourth of july and the most and i think it would be the funest place to go camp i think it'd be very hot if we went with my lovely bride in the middle of nowhere and ran camps huh yeah if anybody if you've been listening to this podcast long enough you know jason he'll try to get away with that he's got a fairly one track mind well and i'm not saying she was against it but i'm not saying she was for it i think it's still limbo so i'm gonna bring it up again but anyway good luck with that i want to talk about say the lake somewhere cool no you're going to the armpit hell i know i know and it is no offense to people in cali i'm just saying the southern nevada it could be worse it could be austin or eureka nevada okay could be worse you're pissing off half

over there can you even is they're fishing nevada dude good fishing good fishing yeah that has good fishing lake mead yeah okay that's the one place to fish and many other i'm just teasing there's probably a bunch of pyramid lake okay all these little refuges have big fish in them in lincoln county yeah plus or minus all right all right all right so let's talk about i want to i don't know just kind of on a roll adam let's talk about talk about your let's talk about i've got one for you this this we talked about a couple of our first bucks the other day uh the other day when we had the podcast and we got talking about maybe well what don't we talk about some of the other firsts you know whether it's the first cheap first elk first 200 inchers carter what what are you tell us about that first first 200 inch mule first 200 inch let's have it 1999 so pre-millennial yeah

this is back when we're back there chris was still in high school yeah i was still in high school still in high school and and i was newly met newly wed i was barely in high school didn't even have one kid on the ground yet as we got as as as we were going i was trying to kill big deer but i didn't know big deer per se but i was i mean i was spending a lot of energy just out of college probably back here in southern utah is that right you were left yeah left the cash unit lived in minorsville lived left the cash you left the cash at utah state left the cash behind and we're looking for a buck somewhere else and and i was like you know i'm gonna i want to go to nevada um kind of where that at that time the state record typical had been taken from and genetics and this and that i had nothing i had no knowledge you're throwing five choices down so you can't really yeah say that's

the one tag you're gonna get you're gonna get one of them that's what you ended up getting i don't remember what choice it was but i mean again don't know anything about nevada per se back then so i go over there scout i mean it was hilarious i mean we saw these bulls big bulls and all this and i was just like holy crap this is heaven you know what i mean there's there's game everywhere and whatnot and i didn't know what i didn't know i didn't know anything about migration or i didn't know anything they're very very green but i spent a lot of time and i thought this year i want to kill a 200 inch and i'd wanted one but there's a difference between wanting one and making it happen and and you can't make them happen but you can sure wear yourself out trying and i was going to wear myself out trying that particular year so all in so it's working my guts out it's

covering the unit from one end to the other and this is when i started to hunt the desert stuff lower densities less people but deer die of old age and and so that whole mentality was just developing clear down on the southern end went along ended up ended up uh finding this deer now my dad and i both have texts okay so he drew and i drew and i ended up finding this deer and i was like i think this 200 inch had little cheaters everywhere just little cheater he's like a seven by nine or whatever boxy frame yeah good looking good frame with some yeah 31 inch outside cheater to cheater anyway opening morning comes we get up on a knob and i glass him and i'm like boom there he is and he goes it goes into this big old drone we can't see him anymore and so okay so we're sitting there and we're like okay we're all we have to do he's here all we have to do is go around this basin or whatever

pop up glass him up or whatever and we get to kill him and so i'm going through these motions in my mind this is going to happen i think he's 200 not that that's the end all be all but it's a big deer okay okay and so we get done we get done it's starting to get hot in the middle of the day first part of october brutal hot and and uh i turned to my dad and i'm like hey how are we going to kill him he says well what we what what we you know what we do as a family back in the day is is the guy that spots him you get to choose like are you going to go around the left side front side how are you going to do it what's your approach what's your approach and then i'll choose an approach and go in the other way and then whoever gets him gets him and i was like okay ah okay pressure to make this decision right here i want to do what what's kosher right keeping in

mind right now you don't know where the deer is yeah i don't know where the deer is he's in this basin and a little bit trees it's not slightly competitive it seems odd well but it's also it's not a you don't know the right answer really i don't know because you don't know right where the deer's at it's it went over ridge and now you got to refine the deer but like you could say i'm going to go this way and you get hiking 400 yards up there and you hear a gunshot and the deer's feeding right to your dad i mean you really don't know what to guess really that's legitimately where we're at okay so i said okay i'm going to go around this side which is basically the east side and come in at him from this angle and and gar's like okay sounds good i'll go around this other side and and and i'm thinking okay sounds good okay fast forward hike my guts out get around the back side

we're both going to pop up at the same time that was the goal we had a time on our watch we're going pop up and let the fire begin okay instead of instead of just you know glassing calmly work together kill him it's it's uh we're gonna you know so we're slightly from our from our last podcast that we did uh last week on our first bucks that was total cluster jobs we've we've refined a little bit we're but we're not yet to where we are in present day we're still we've got good guns we've got good intentions cluster-ish but we're just 10 years later 15 years that's right okay okay so so we pop up i glass i'm glassing my guts out i'm glassing garth glassing for the deer and i can't see the deer he's starting to lay down he's taking a dead rest kaboom and i'm like you're crapping me and you're looking straight into the sun or what he killed a deer that i that i found that was my

lifelong dream okay which i'm happy for him right that sounds good great good job the deer comes bounding up boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and he's and i'm like he's alive when's it closer to shoot right like it's a what do you know what i mean he's judging well okay judging from the the 14 or 15 year experience with 20 piles of brass 20 on both sides of you just go for it just let it rest i got down i got down and come away and i hammered him i mean hammered him and i'm like wow holy crap this did not just happen and i walk and i go i hike my gut you know hike over there got all my stuff and i'm admiring him i'm like wow this is awesome you know and it takes my dad quite a while to get over there i'm like i wonder what he's doing i mean he's he you know it takes him a little bit to get over there

and he and and then i see he's following the track of the buck you know i mean because there's no deer in this area there this is the only deer here and so anyways fall on the track and he gets up to me and he goes well i didn't find any blood so i guess he's yours and i'm like damn straight you're you're lucky you said that because your tag was punched and notched and signed and dropped after the antlers i know i just like i'm like ah i'm so excited well looking back on it here's the here's here looking back on it i chose a route where i get to view the sunny side of trees this buck is not going to bed in the sun no you so notice if you and a buddy are doing this if you're better off doing paper rock scissors or just losing just losing that way or maybe if you know your partner's inexperience send him around that side yeah tell him it'd be good for him to go

around the east side while you go around on the shadow the shady side so anyway this buck was obviously bedded in the shade i'm looking at the sunny bases of trees wondering why i can't find it so i've learned a lot since then and uh anyway awesome experience you know all of that and sometimes the early bird doesn't get the worm yes you learn that so so very similar to this adam you had your first 200 inch also got shot out by some buddy or people besides yourself yeah so this was early 2000s i forget the exact year but it was right when colorado was ripening they had gone to unit by unit tag draws 2002 three ish that's my guess right there and meet a bunch of buddies we'd actually picked up we'd been applying for for tag didn't have a lot of points built up so we picked up leftover tags back then in the day you know there's a lot of tags you could pick up leftovers back in the day

this day and age not so many i mean a lot of tag quotas have been cut or there's just way more people interested in colorado now and so the second choice third choice fourth choice clean up a lot of tags these were true leftovers august we all bought them me and a bunch of buddies we went over there was a great snow year snowed like crazy cold as snots our first experience there and the deer all crushed down into the high country you know we're seeing them in of course you see a lot of deer in hay fields and stuff in colorado in good units and we're just like this is going to be incredible so one of my buddies shot a really good buck i believe it was opening day or you know i remember what day we hunted there if we went opening day or not killed a great buck so he was spotter for the next five or six days right we had three more tags but uh like yeah right you know he's the he's the guy

on dispatch and working the faces so i'd hiked up we'd seen this deer come off this mountain into a private field the night before but everything behind it like a lot of times in colorado they're coming back off of public land so the next day i had this big game plan to you know hike you had you know there's no straight shot till you had to hike way back around and hike way down the ridge in the dark we get down there and sure as crap the buck leaves the private and it's coming right to me and you know and i'm letting it get there but it's promise if you found an oak brush in colorado it's over your head yeah and so the buck's coming it's not that far of a shot it's probably two to three hundred yards so not a it's a chip shot except for when it's a 200 inch 33 inch buck and you got to shoot out of the offhand

okay because you you don't know where i got shooting sticks i don't take offhand shots at 50 yards okay i got shooting sticks but you're in six foot high oak brush you can't sit down and shoot in that you can't do it so i'm literally i'm literally not just offhand i'm offhand almost tippy toes not i'm yes i'm making excuses for about what's for what's about to happen i think i shot two or three times i don't remember but i know the first shot let's call it even react let's call it a volley the buck didn't even react he's glued on me i shoot he doesn't even flinch i'll do that again i guess boom and he takes off and at that time you know i don't know if he's hit what but he takes off he's right on the crest ridge before i could even shoot again he's over the ridge okay and so i'm starting gathering my crap up i'm getting down there all of a sudden i hear volleys

of gunshots right where the deer and i'm like oh crap there's people over the ridge they just killed my buck he's dead is he even my buck did i hit him that time well i don't know i'm freaking out and you know guys are calling me on my radio and i'm like not talking to him because i'm just yeah i'm frantic and right then i look up there here comes the buck running back over the ridge he runs almost to the same little jar where he stopped when he stops i pull up and hammer him flat i mean he drops in his track and now i'm like okay i got him but are these guys going to be tracking him over my side i mean it is yes all this do i have blood going this way is the blood coming back and there's a little bit of snow what's legal first bullet last bullet i hear last bullet utah i think it's uh last bullet you're the animal so i make my way down to the deer and i'm

crapping i call gary and he's like did you get him did you get my mic he's toast that time i freaking crushed him he's dead so i walked down there and i'm praying the whole time that these guys don't come over just don't come over the ridge and you're not taking your orange off yet oh because they might be coming oh yeah i have oh yeah i'm not taking pictures i i mean there's no quick out of here this is orange shoes and everything don't shoot i had legal amounts of orange on the vest and a hat that's that was legal and they never came nothing there was two holes in my buck okay come on one of them right you've seen this right perfect behind the shoulder the other one oh right through the antler that's right i remember that i remember that about that so i don't know i still to this day i don't know if my second shot

hit it through that antler because he was uphill and i was shooting down and i would have went high over his shoulder and it would have went right through his main beam or whether those guys did it but it's 100 fresh so either i shot it there my second shot or those guys the other one was center punch right behind yeah pretty cool and he's mounted that way and and uh they never came over the hill never came and and so i feel 100 confident that's my deer and but it was not without a lot of stress oh yeah it's stressful let's just say colorado and a few hundred places like you know 35 or you know some of these units 18 some of these units that have a ton of tags where we've been to before you can see how easy that can happen i mean there's there's people everywhere on every ridge you're lucky they're squirrel hunters i mean there's everything everything that could be in the field we had a

gal chris remember this oh yeah well you're gonna have to help me with this story and so we're in there and we're all set up and we're actually videoing for ridge reaper you you'd glass the buck already you'd glass the buck we glassed him bedded and stalked him yeah and the bucks bedded and we're sitting there waiting for him to get up and we can't shoot him but we see his antlers in the trees another he's like this is good probably 500 yards away yeah but bedded yeah and pretty soon here comes this nature lover tree hugging gal bless her heart with bells like a great big cowbell so that you know she's a hiker don't shoot me between me and the buck trying to save his life bull yeah dead serious you think she saw the deer i got it on film i filmed it we've done you think she saw the deer and knew what you were there for oh she knew he totally knew i think she knew that we

were set up on something here i don't know that hunter orange i don't know set up she sees us and she's just going to take a bell so a we don't shoot her b the buck runs away or whatever she's saving the life just hunker oh dude he jumped up no he jumped up and he went over the hill like a couple hundred yards an hour later but we're in position and we piled right in okay did you see you did you drive the follower subaru off the mountain see where she drove and go give her a back strap or what'd you do we ended up staying on the mountain for the rest of the afternoon because we had to kill the buck oh yeah it turned into a lot longer deal than it should have anyway yeah it was i was just like that reminds me of another situation i had my brother aaron with me uh this time um i had a tag in the unit he didn't and uh i was walking he was way up in these cliffs

looking at this big cedar broken stuff below me and i was going to hike out to a vantage point below him and just sit in glass um you know but i would be in the middle of it all it looked like a great deer it was brent first time to the unit 61 it was in 61 there we go so first time there what's your second 200 nature i think it might have been okay yeah i don't remember all right anyway yeah yeah i think it was so three or so years later after the other buck that's that's about when it was and so i'd walked up through and i stopped to catch my breath and and you know you're in a sea of trees so you're just trying to find your way through where where's somewhere high enough that you can actually glass and i turn back and look and there's some deer i look over there like six eight hundred yards over

there and there's some deer and i can see a freaking big buck staring in the middle of these does like a big buck and i'm calling aaron i'm like i got a buck over here and i'm repping my scope out and get on and i can see in lines and i'm like this is a this is a no-brainer shooter and aaron's like you better do something quick and i'm like what he's like there's a guy walking between you and the buck he says that's what the deer's watching i can see the deer's looking at something and this deer this pretty soon i can see the guy ahead of me like 300 yards and he's walking right towards me and this buck is just locked on him but it's right behind him if he turns and looks up he's 300 yards from the deer okay this is a 207 deer okay this is your second 200 inch and and i'm watching so that he's walking

to me the whole time and and you're i'm not on a trail i'm in trees i'm in broken trees and he's walking walking and i'm watching the deer because i want to if he blows i want to see which way he's going but i also don't want to get seen by this guy and the deer is and i don't want the deer to see me because now the guy's walking close enough to me the deer's looking right at the guy which is right in my line of sight too so i don't want him to see me he walks up to me pretty soon he sees me and he waves and he walks over and i'm i'm crapping so you do the whole hey my scope is looking over here what do you think i'm looking at and by the way here's my silence get out of here yeah and i'm and i'm acting like i'm i got a little yeah food laid out and i'm acting like i'm just taking a break i'm kind of you know taking a breather

and i'm like he's like hey what's going on i'm like oh not much i'm you know i'm just gonna glass this this little draw down here i'm whispering the deer is locked on us keep in mind this is pretty long range gun i couldn't shoot i'm probably 600 yards away um i you know have a three to nine or whatever on my thing and i got a drop chart taped to my stock right you're gonna hold over yes 400 450 and he's like all right now if i go up this way am i going to be in your way and i said no he happened to point the the way he was going the whole time i'm like just keep going i'm going to stay down here i'll be out of your way the whole night if you get to my truck my keys are in the gas cap yeah turn on the ac just chill out you want a gatorade you want some food what do you want you know he said all right so he he so he takes off and and so once he gets 50 yards out of

my sight in the trees you're packing stuff and moving well no i can't because remember the deer is still staring at you he's just locked and so now i have to watch this deer until the guy's far enough to away that the deer hopefully goes back to normal it was it felt like 30 minutes and it might have been because the guy's just still hunting through the trees pretty soon they know the tail twitches like they do turns his head and he starts feeding and i'm like freaking game on and so i gather my crap cut the distance roughly in half get up there pile drive the buck and aaron comes off the mountain gets to him at dark it was pitch black um never saw the guy ever again we took care of the deer phil dressed the deer that night broke camp the next day went down there took better pictures in the morning uh with the daylight it was third season and you had to have the ac on on the way home

that's what i remember it was hot i remember driving home telling you i think i called you that night saying i freaking killed a good deer he's got a bunch of in lines he's not a big frame but he's got a white tail look yeah big white by the way my ac's on high pure call i have never been more thankful i'm heading home from a hunt successful because this was like and you never went back opening day usually a guy wants to go back aaron went two years later we went back and uh he ended up not killing a deer i found a big deer that did you have a tag no remember i found like a 215 opening night and he couldn't get to me fast enough it wasn't you've never had a tag there again no but no i haven't it takes nine or ten years to point but just the joys of public land hunting i mean that's what we're talking about colorado it's like that's just what that 190 i've got at that

190 typical it was the same thing the one off our youtube episode where you were like i don't know what he's 184 you thought he was what 184 no 189 he was 189 i ripped him off the wall he's 195 inch or what it was what was it 197 65 i don't know something like that but anyway so time to tape him again we can't remember we came across we come across the ridge and we see a knife we see that buck and he's with like six does where are you working down wasn't your so i'm just going from memory but wasn't it like you're dealing with there's only like checkerboarded sections of literally 500 acres of yeah you're doing cabinets basically little little 500 acres of blm right there in the middle right okay and and we actually saw the buck we rolled into the unit after opening day i think but anyway rolled in the middle of the night because of course we had to finish our day work

day yeah take off no onyx maps nothing telling you we're yeah this is i don't know this is a long time ago well we had blm maps but yeah no no all right all right so sorry yeah so anyway bucks coming down a ridge i take off and i'm going down the ridge because he's going through the cedars you can't really see him he's with these does but he's kind of patty caking around so we know that he's he's killable and my dad sits on the ridge watching sure enough here comes his truck pulls up stops parks right by him gets out starts enjoying his breakfast sitting next to my dad and and so i'm like that's ready to kill the deer like i'm heading down and he's he's watching we're on the phone because we got cell phone service right there we're hitting each other back and forth and i'm like i'm like uh you got somebody there next to you he's like yeah i do i'm like i'm like probably okay

we're gonna need some uh code words here or something because you gotta keep me in it i'm like is the fuck down there he's like uh yeah yeah things are going just fine just just like they were just as bad and i'm like and another guy's sitting there with binos and starts glassing and and i can tell there's a little stress in my dad's voice he's being pretty cool because i'm listening to the conversation he's having with the guy you could hear the other guy i could hear the other guy and i'm just like okay okay okay i'm just about to the point where i can come over he's like yeah probably needs to something needs to happen there i get down in the box heading right around this point where i know they can't see him i come over there and luckily the guy right then picks up and is like well i'm gonna go glass over here or whatever walks over the hill buck walks out

i pound him right there and i mean the whole time i mean talk about one of those situations where you're like you know you got people everywhere it's colorado you end up with people everywhere yeah it takes nothing you lose a buck over a ridge in most of these places bullets are flying for a gun you're hearing a big deer die you know what i mean you don't want to have antlers on your head during second or third season in colorado no you will you'll get shot chris tell us about yours buddy which one to the broomstick buck the freaking floater beams yeah it was it was a pretty cool deer but anyway we were down there in colorado and i'd never been to the area before first time ever first year that year and we're down there and and it was pretty warm and it was late third season they hadn't started rutting or anything and we're just grinding grinding grinding

every day and we're seeing a lot of small deer which is typical down there a lot of nice little four points and one day uh we just start glassing glass and glassing and we got to where we had glassed everything out basically and i thought well i'm just gonna take a little extra time and i pulled out my spotting scope and i thought i'm just gonna pick this thing apart instead of hand holding tens yeah and well and instead of leaving i'm gonna put it on the spotting scope and i'm gonna pick this hillside apart and so that's why i started doing that and i had two buddies with me and they were kind of getting antsy ready to leave and i just sat there and i glassed this hillside and looking through all these thick junipers and i'm sitting there and pretty soon i see a buck walk through your field my field of view and i'm what what's going on here i have a big deer yeah and i see

this deer and i'm like that is a big deer well i i lost them for a minute and and by the time i found them again they were right on the top of this ridge and it's a it's a long ways away they're probably half a mile away at least and as i see the buck crust the ridge i can see i knew instantly i that's a 30 inch wide buck giant and shooter i ran over and i told my buddies i'm like there's i got a shooter up here and i gotta hike in for it and it had gone over the hill so all i could do is hike up around and hope that i could find the buck again it went up into this basin anyway we get up and and i decide to i'm gonna crest around this this other ridge that wraps around kind of where they went and i could maintain elevation and see below me and i start wrapping around and i'm walking along and my buddy's kind of falling back a little bit because he stopped to

glass and so i was probably 20 feet ahead of him at this point and i'm just creeping along and i look down right below me about 250 yards and there's the buck and he's what's he staring at you staring at me dude he's a giant yeah and so i i there was actually probably six or seven bucks there and i uh ended up just dropping down put the gun on my pack from i was seated i was sitting down on my butt but i put the gun on the pack and then just shot from there and the the funny part about that story is i ended up driving that 200 inch your home in the front seat of a ford taurus what those are back in the car is that what you had then yeah i had a ford taurus and it was did your buddy have a truck and didn't they said hey it's buck if he's yours he's going home in your car not my truck yeah well i just i drove out there by myself but it's funny back then i used to hunt in

my car all the time and i loved it because i could go anywhere and nobody suspected i was hunting and so it was just i'd go park i had to hike the word anywhere is is not true you'd be surprised my family we when i was young we went through some hard times because we you know my dad was an entrepreneur and went through a couple of businesses and there was a time i was hunting with him in a 1983 chevy cavalier station wagon yeah and we slept in the back because those seats laid out anyway and so we did uh over-the-counter elk tags and things like that in the back of our station wagon so yeah no no stranger to doing that no pride here gonna hunt no matter what it takes that's right what kind of vehicle you have so awesome story i feel like we're leaving a million of them out but you can't talk about everything in one podcast it was like the best day of my life

when i i finally bought one of jason's old trail cam trucks and it was a toyota tundra and i felt like this is the best thing on earth and we're all and you had barely met met jason yeah how many miles did it have uh and it's kind of a running joke amongst those of us that know jason well that you don't want to buy a used truck from jason but i but here be honest i give you heck of it yeah i give anybody that buys myself i give you such a good deal you can't why is that and why is that because it's not worth anything more that that's right that's exactly right that's where i was going because i gave you such a good deal because i can't live with myself if i charge you a dollar more but that being said i've sold the vehicles to people and then give them another 500 back rebate there's a rebate you didn't know about

that being said i did go through like three sets of ball joints but yes i was one of your best trucks you've ever had i drove it to 290 000 miles and finally one day i'm just like the ball joints needed to be replaced again this would be the ball joint fourth set brakes brakes brakes were gone rotors you told me you said i don't know how i stopped in the dealership parking lot and i don't know how it really even got there running yeah i mean it was and they gave you chris almost what you paid so i paid 5 000 for it and and i go into the dealership and i'm like i wasn't really planning on buying a truck that day but i year 2000 tundra yeah it was 2000 the v8 but the small body yeah and this was in 2014 so i pulled into this dealership and i was just being curious because i'm like this truck's on its last leg this was in 2014 yeah yeah wow that's not that long

ago yeah so i i pull into the dealership and i'm just kind of looking around and i just i just decided well i'm gonna ask them what they'll give me for this truck and i'm thinking oh 1500 bucks or something there they said well we'll give you four grand for it i'm like done i don't care if you charge me an extra eight for the new one that's right i got four out of the old one i bought a brand new truck that day and drove away with the new truck and they probably started digging in that one after i'm like done that was probably the day before carfax was really up and going i've got a vehicle that 2013 dodge power wagon and it was one of my most favorite trucks but i had that forever warranty there's a max care warranty on dodge vehicles with gas motors that you can buy an aftermarket three thousand dollars and they're so mad at you for telling this bumper to bumper for

the life of you as long as you have it and with a hundred dollar deductible and i'll bet you i will bet you i had over twenty thousand dollars in repairs front front keeping in mind this is a brand new truck this wasn't used yeah he had to be a brand new but when you buy it brand new how much can you do to put 20 grand into it jeff it's brand new well no it had lockers and so it has and when you replace differentials i'm just saying transfer cases most of the time a brand new truck is four or five years before you have to do one thing to it i know one thing i know so but it was i hear what you're saying ran hard though you you were filming ridge repurpers that is my point that is my point only jason can take a brand new truck off the lot off the lot and within two years have 20 grand to put into it that's all covered under warranty it was probably three years okay three and a truck

that's built for off-road i mean it was yeah it's a truck it was i will tell you i loved that truck i loved it however if by the end of it i couldn't spend i wouldn't spend two weeks and it would be in the shop for a month you know what i mean at some point at some point the warranty didn't matter yeah at some point the warranty didn't matter it was like are you gonna have a truck to drive or not you know what i mean and so anyway i often wonder what what does the carfax look on i'll look on it can i just randomly look it's a long jeff and you know what that warranty it covered shocks i re-shocked it twice i mean it's shocks ball joints tie rods everything just like you bought a new vehicle for the first 36 000 the first you know you didn't have any issues till we were coming home from your

idaho that was rough yeah no i know that's a classic so i'm coming home from the idaho deer i drew 42 late and we had to do killed the giant eye guard okay yeah and we had to drive fairly aggressively to get to him okay and so all as well all as well we killed him came home i'm 15 miles outside of home how far is it up there we're almost to the exit yeah almost how far is it i'm pulling my camp trailer it's negative 10 degrees or whatever up there it was negative seven it was great trailer froze solid we're coming home and all of a sudden i mean my front end's locking up locking up and i'm like what is going on i pull it over and there's differential fluid just all scattered across the trailer the white white part of the trailer loaded with fluid and the only place it's coming from is the front diff

i'm coming from the front diff really that's random how does that happen so oh great this is a warranty item get my money out of this extra warranty i take it in they're like sorry sir that's not covered under warranty i'm like what are you talking about well we took off the front cover of the diff and somehow a significant stick went up through the seam the seam in the metal between the front cover and the diff body and ruined the the gasket and came up through the gasket and all the way home you were leaking front diff fluid what are the chances of that they showed me they showed me the cover sure enough something came up through that scene well that was like a weird who's ever had that happen no so yeah that's that was a probably an insurance claim down the road no well i mean then that then

they're a locker front end a locker front end which is now x amount eight thousand dollars they found a used one they didn't want to replace it with new parts and all that ever since then things just never did it never was quite right but that's still that the the image in my brain i mean it's almost like because i was sitting in the back seat i don't remember was chris you probably were in the front i don't remember who was with dusty somebody was with dusty anyway yeah i was in that truck though we were we were cruising around and and there's snow like there's significant snow in some places and and you're sitting in the back seat so it's like tunnel vision it's dark the lights are in front and we're just plowing through these cool roads there there's some cool roads out there i mean cool little two trackers cool little two trackers but hauling their moguls i mean they were in hell

through here it felt like i was on a ride at an amusement park well and there's just enough snow that it kind of cushioned smoothed out some of the bumps and we were just oh just haul and it was pretty fun it was way we had no choice time on that we had no choice but it was cold that was a cold hunt i mean that boy that was cold out there in that desert yeah it was where are we at i don't know if we've talked a little bit about gear here today let's have a little gear um discussion we we've talked about some of our guns some of our older guns some of our 308s to set stock 270s that's right um if you're in the market and definitely needing an upgrade in your weapon of choice give the guys at red rock precision a call kurt pilcher and his crew there uh 801-425-6574 make great rifles we we've all got one of the rifles that we've used from time to time or multiples

in my case in a couple of our cases and so uh make great guns customize uh your scope combination to it uh caliber to it uh shoot with them at the range uh visit them at redrock precision.com or like i said call kurt and his crew 801-425-6574 great well-built guns very very accurate and make those three to five or three to six hundred yard shots seem routine that's what a gun capable of shooting longer than that does for the more hunting range um shots in my opinion so anyway give them a call people say it's unethical to take long range shots okay i think it's unethical not to have a gun like this that is capable of it because it makes like adam said it makes five and six hundred yard shots feel like chip shots literally they're chip shots they're nothing they can be made a hundred percent of the time

unless there's crazy wind a hundred percent when you're and and unless of course we get into buck fever right and that's always fun yeah some buck fever yeah but uh anyway you haven't ever had buck fever oh we've all had that oh yeah i still get it absolutely like you said earlier on the last podcast i think it usually hits me right when it's done like you get excited but it used to happen more when i was younger the controlling i had i had a situation like you talked about hunting bears you know back back in i was 15 16 something like sitting in tree stand you walk into the bear bait your dad kicks the bait you know because the bear's got to hear you drive up walk down to the bait da da da tend it you climb in the tree your dad leaves and you're in the tree by yourself and the bear's like they just

loved it they left and dude the thing was there within 20 minutes this big bear we had you know knew he was coming in before trail cameras but we just knew from well dude we used to cook alarm clocks with the fishing line to your battery fishing line to the battery and it had hands on it yes that's what you knew when the bear come in we would we'd have an old clock taped to the back of a tree it was it had it wasn't digital but it had our hands our double a battery with heavy fishing line wrapped around the battery the thing the back of the battery cover off tied to the stick so when it jerked the stick it pulled the fishing line out and stopped the timer right you knew right when the bear came when you you would go in and say okay he was there my bait has been molested let me look at it oh he came in at six last night that's how you do it because your battery was jerked and it stopped

the time right there just like your clock on the wall i mean that's that's human trail camera and that are that's the same era that you did it too it's funny i've never i don't tell people that story but that came that's how we used to bait bears well i am i'm not much older than we talked about when you couldn't pull the bow back on your buck at 14 or 15 this bear's big it's a big chocolate and i mean and it's also a bear it's like the first experience you've been real close to a bear predator big predator and so you're on he you're on his yeah and it's you you're no one's there to talk you through it no there's nobody there just like jason or me on my first archery but there's no one there to toss down you got this thing stay calm there's none of that crap and i eased out to try to pull back and i couldn't pull my book i'm glad i'm not the only one i couldn't do it i couldn't get it

and we had you know we didn't have good tree stands then right they weren't these these nice ones you chain two and they're nice and big it was a homemade jobber you know with some lumber okay some lumber and stuff up there you know and we had a little waist strap that would choke you out yep and i leaned out if you if you had a waist strap i leaned out and the two by four creaked that i tried two or three times to pull the bow back this thing chomping chomping this bait and i couldn't get it so finally i lean up trying to almost stand like i'm gonna stand up flex my legs to get a little bit behind and it creaks and that bear's head whips and it's staring at me like you know 20 feet in the tree and he's just burning holes and i'm crapping because i'm like i'm dead i'm dead you know you're just thinking he knows he knows for all intents and purposes this is a brown bear yeah that's right

alaska looking you're a kid you're a kid you're an inexperienced kid and your dad's you know you can picture i mean bears like to sit in stands they like to they're interested they go up they probably sat in your lumbered stand yeah probably so anyway and pretty soon he comes over and he walks around my tree he's staring up at me the whole time walks around i'm in a giant ponderosa i'm like i'm done there's nobody to call this is you know i think i'm gonna just hang my bow up on this this is late daily this is 89 or 90 90 right in there i mean there's no cell phones we don't have you're just there your dad's pick up at dark right yeah you're you're in a tree stand he's right he's he's 400 yards away from sleeping in the truck because you know what is he gonna do not room for two of you up there circles it twice and leaves and never saw it again but um i love it there's the those are those

are just those are things you learn from and those are things that the buck fever bear fever whatever you know the bow couldn't have been more than 50 50 low 50s you'd pull it back oh never 15 times like jason i'm sure you never have a problem pulling back your 48 to 52 pound bow whatever it was man compound that's the one thing i think about you know just just teeing off of this is some guys like to have the heaviest bow they can draw you know what i mean heaviest bow that you can get pulled back if it's 75 80 85 90 pounds whatever that's what they want i like to be all i'm i can pull those i like to be able to hold it i've killed several of my bucks almost two minutes into holding a draw you know what i mean and so you just to be able to hold it so i'll have you know often a 65 to 70 pound bow that you can just hold for a long time you know what i mean and that sometimes will kill

that that makes difference between killing and not well that's going to reduce the shaking you're not going to start shaking as early and it's going to save your shot well and let's face it you're never when you're at your house you're standing up you're pulling back when you're hunting you're crouched your legs are half asleep because you're trying to stay hidden and now you rise to pull it's always you're in a fatigued or a contorted twisted position so you never got all your muscles working right almost never so keep that in mind tip of the day by jason carter tip of the day all right crank your bow down well we want to throw a little shout out out to outdoor edge knives super good knife system they've got the replaceable blades that are big long sturdy replaceable blades as well as have a great backbone to the blade so you just don't break them i've never broke one

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deer drives deer drives you name it we we did it all yeah yeah my dad was not he was not a sitter did not like sitting at all you know he still doesn't he likes to get out and travel and it always works out for him he he's he's good at that i'm not so good at that you know i i i killed very few that way you know but uh he always kills something and you have to be careful because you leave a gun in his hand you know we've talked about a joke about a sheep tag like ah what what is he really like he's just gonna kill something i'm a little worried he's just gonna kill something so so you know because he he has he has an amazing ability of just killing stuff like crazy and so he's from the old older school generation let's face it where you know meat was was a lot of why you hunted there it wasn't always trophies and you know a lot of our dads you didn't start hunting

trophies nobody's you know we didn't start that way but it really wasn't that way in the 50s 60s 70s it just wasn't that way if it's a good buck it's like if it's a it was the law of averages my dad and relatives used to you know hang out in an old box car playing cards and they would have a bed on the big buck of the day and so uh yeah it was throw lead in the air as much as you can the law of averages stuff's good good stuff could happen and things were measured by width that's just what it was and so usually a 30 inch buck every day won the contest i mean could you imagine living in those that era be unbelievable so lead pipes falling out of carcasses i got a i got a buddy and he's one of my favorite people to hunt with but he's he's probably 60 but we always joke with him we'd we'd be glassing a buck and and we're like oh it looks pretty good and he he's the one with the tag and he's

like he's got good hams that's a first like oh he's got a kick out of him he if it had three points he was just he just wanted to kill it right now hold on hold on hold on let me see some hammies okay yeah that one's good left one right oh yeah oh he's round and plump hammer him i think it's just i think it's back then it goes back to what we're talking about with meat and food and you're killing a deer i don't care what you want say what you whatever you're providing for the family you're killing this deer i mean it was legit oh yeah back then you know money money things have changed nowadays how fortunate are we to be able to do all these things and be able to not have to really a hundred percent hunt for food and we although we do it we eat everything we're killing or and it gets consumed no question about it but it's a little bit different yeah yes

back in the day you pretty much hunted your home state we hunted one hunt a year you did maybe two maybe the general elk and the general deer that was about it you had your week a year and that was kind of where the kids took off school and anyway things have just changed so much so much and you know i would say not maybe not everybody's in the same situation that we are you are whatever you know i don't not everybody's hunting multiple states but the option is out there and you can fairly easily figure out how to do it once again comes back to our magazine that's what that's what the value in our magazine is i think we've taught a lot of people to do that i think we've taught a lot of people how to do that and there is you know the shoot more eat more movement is definitely here like a lot of people don't mind going on cow elk counts they don't mind killing that

and i i think it's great because once again we're instilling in people the value in hunting and i think that's something that we you know we need to have that we got to have that you know those cow tags are issued for a reason those cow tags those those doe tags are issued for a reason now i i i've never shot a cow i've never shot a doe that doesn't mean i think there's anything wrong with it no i think go out we tease about we tease about dropping bombs on moms a little bit and and it seems like in a day that it feels like we're always trying to bolster populations that shooting moms isn't the proper thing to do necessarily but it is a management tool and uh you know people are out doing it we endorse it all that no big deal we just tease a little bit and have a have a good time with it yeah don't don't assume that we're you know we're we're anti any of that you know we believe

we think you should get out and hunt any way you can that's the way you can do it man go do it and do it as often as you possibly can yeah but we've had guys that have joined our licensed app service and tell us we only hunt for me not a trophy hunter you guys know who i'm talking about there's a couple of them and now they're kind of like well you drew me this tag and i'm like yeah do you remember let me read a few notes to you you didn't own a gun you don't own a gun you didn't own a gun two years ago you drew an elk we drew him an elk and a deer tag and he's like so tell me about this one and i said well you want to hunt near your son's hometown there in oregon we got you that take yeah but it doesn't look i'm just a little bit i'm like no remember you're just a meat hunter and you get to stay at your son's house every night i know that's right

i talked to him yesterday and you know the first year we applied him we drew him a we drew him an elk and deer tag in idaho oh yeah and he killed them both and he is flabbergasted that he has not drawn another idaho deer and elk he doesn't understand it and now he's like he's like can i buy an over the counter tag up there and go number oh absolutely yeah you can make it happen it'll be fun yeah but i've known guys that go up there on the over the counter since that winter of 1617 it's a buck it's a buck it's a different hunt i still think anyway worth it though worth it though there's guys that are doing it you work hard you can do it anyway just to throw a little little fun out there a little a few few stories a little history uh about us you know maybe our first wolves will come out in the next podcast good idea stories like the first sheep first wolves i don't want to talk about my

first moose really maybe jeff's first caribou we go over that story again all right guys well we sure appreciate everybody's listening go ahead when john gets back from his vacation we talk about this i think it was his first antelope in wyoming and the shovel is there a shovel we've referred to it a couple of shovels out of that one all right you're right probably true just saying there's just one way to man when you get just at the expo or something in person sometime and we can make sure there's no recording devices on there's a good story about that you don't have to have an outdoor edge knife to cape an antelope just just saying just you don't have to have one but you should yes if you want clean lines spend the money you definitely buy an outdoor edge knife all right all right guys have fun be safe