EP 162: On the Trail of a Monster with Jeffrey Row.

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, coming at you from windy southern Utah. At least it's gotten a little warmer down here. Hopefully you're feeling the same. Feels like summer's here, Bronson. Got some sunshine out there. Sure does. We have had very little wind, so we've been spoiled. But now we've had it the last couple of days. So this is normal southern Utah spring weather. Yeah, feels good. Feels really good. Huh? Corona environment out there? No? Below that, below those pathogens to... Somewhere else besides here. Arctic Circle, I don't know, head north. Alright, let's talk about some big deer. Before we get started, we'd like to thank Under Armour sponsoring this podcast. It's 4 p.m. We're a little tired, rummy. Grabbed a monster. First monster you've had in about eight days, Bronson. How do you feel?

Fell off the wagon.

Or jumped on. I don't know. What is it? I don't know. Who knows, who cares? Just felt like one today. Let's pass by that and pretend it didn't happen. That's right. Our June-July issue covered Arizona. Of course, we've already talked about it. And we're going to talk about it again on the covers. Jeff Rowe, freaking monster buck. He's been involved in some great bucks in Arizona as well as Nevada. Guide's over there for great crow. Who, Bronson, we're giving a hunt away. Absolutely, yeah. By June 19th, if you want to enter, you can join Epic Outdoors by June 19th. Or refer somebody that joins our service by June 19th. Or simply purchase tickets for that hunt. It's a 231 landowner tag. Choose your season.

Fully guided by Greg Krogh and his team. Mogollon Rim Outfitters. Seven-day fully outfitted hunt. So, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome. We're super excited about that. Of course, we tried to pick the hunts here in the lower 48. Just with the travel restrictions, who knows what's going to happen out there. We're hearing mixed reviews of what's going to happen. A little bit nervous about Canada at the moment for this particular year. Next year should be all good. But anyway, this year it's a little rough up there as far as crossing country boundaries. Hopefully, Alaska will be just fine. Anyway, all right. So, we're going to call Jeff Rowe. We're going to quiz the crap out of this guy. Pull all the knowledge we can out of him. See what he has to say. Anything else before we get after him? Let's do it. John here. John, how are you doing? I'm doing good.

We got Chris's brother, John. Anybody out there that knows John and Chris, they're brothers. They're responsible for the development of the Wazoo publication, Epic Outdoors, that we produce every month, December through June, bimonthly. John, your slower season, as well as our slower season, if you could call it that, is upon us. How do you feel? Couldn't be more excited. Yeah. I'm just waiting for the rest of the draws to come out. That's right. I can't wait to get in the field. Oh. It'll be awesome. So, one thing about our designers, we're pretty fortunate, Bronson. They don't just do good work in the office. They're hunters, too, and they understand it. Makes a difference. Makes a difference when you're trying to make a hunting magazine look and feel a certain way instead of just getting words and pictures on paper and calling it a day.

So, they definitely have a talent to it, Chris and John. So, it's awesome. Enough about them. Call Jeff. Let's talk about Jeff Rowe and his giant deer and what he can give us as far as information on how to kill a giant deer for ourselves. Didn't you tell me that your thumb opened the other day with a Band-Aid over it? Well, yeah, so I go to open my phone, and here, I'll just show you. I'm going to lock it. It's supposed to work on it. Just a little bit of my thumbprint on the very end. Okay, this is the same nail that got ripped off by my dog, right? A little bit of that thumbprint and part of the Band-Aid will open this phone. Makes you feel real safe about your secure stuff on your phone. Didn't work that time. So, I feel better about my phone. You leave it in a stall, you know, Gomer Pile ain't going to be able to open it. But it did the other day.

I showed you, and it did with my Band-Aid on. Huh? Thumbprint didn't work that day. Let's call Jeff, see what he has to say.

Howdy. What's going on down there? Dude, just dealing with this coronavirus stuff. Come on. Are you all, did you decide you could take your mask off for this podcast, or what are you doing?

I'm not that guy. Well, I haven't worn a mask yet, except for I did go to California, and even through the drive-thrus, they will not serve you unless you have a mask on. So, I was searching, rip off a sleeve or the top end of my sock or something. No, no, I'm not. What were you doing in California? Oh, just delivering a part to a buddy and just making a round trip, smash and grab trip down there and ended up having to eat something somewhere. Yeah. Didn't realize you had to have a mask on. So. That's ridiculous. You haven't masked up yet? No. No, I haven't. No. I breathe in too much dust to do that. Well, hey, this is Adam. We're glad to have you on here today, Jeff. And we appreciate it that you were able to put a story together for us of your awesome Arizona strip buck last year. And so, wanted to get into that, but obviously, wanted maybe just for some of our listeners

that maybe don't know you and some of your background, let's dive into a little bit of that, starting off about where you're from and if you've always been from there and whatnot and things like that. All right. Well, I was born and raised in San Diego, California. Up until I was 11.

Surfer? Are you a surfer? No, a fisher. Fisher. Okay. So, that's where we're seeing you on these boats all the time on your Instagram is you're out fishing. And I didn't know if that was just a client that liked you to come along or if that's partly your business or how that laid in. It's none of my business. It's what I grew up doing. Like my dad, he owned a boat and all that good stuff in California and we fished a lot offshore fishing. So, it's always been my bloodline. And the reason we moved to Arizona is because he would hunt the kaibab every year. He used to be over-the-counter archery back in the day. He would hunt every year and he would drive through Prescott, Arizona. And he liked it in Prescott when he'd pass through, probably stopping at McDonald's or whatever. And one year he's like, hey, we're moving to Arizona.

And obviously, I did not like it being 11 years old, leaving all my friends. But now, I love it. I mean, not just now, but in the past 10 years, I just love it in Arizona. I wouldn't want it any other way. So, what is your – does your dad still travel? Like, it's just kind of different. I'm going to up and move to Arizona, not necessarily work in Arizona, go back and fish for work. Or, you know, how did that play out with just because he liked Arizona and that – No, he was a superintendent for a big drywall company in California. Like, they built a lot of hospitals and stuff like that. Okay. And they have another branch in Phoenix. And he worked down in Phoenix for a few years – not even a few years, I think a few months. And then after that, he quit that, was tired of doing all that stuff and did handyman stuff for a while and then became a hunting guide.

And then which I kind of followed those tracks. Now, he doesn't guide anymore. He's kind of just chasing his own deal with bowling. He's been bowling for 30 years and really competitive in that. Bowling? Like with bowling balls? Yeah, with bowling balls. Like competing money-wise? Oh, yeah. Harder what else? Come on. Whatever. Well, bowling for money, Bronson. I don't know many guys that bowl for money. You mean like bowling with a bowling ball? Like bowling balls? What other kinds of bowling are there? Like usually I do that on a family activity. Like I don't – there's money in it, Bronson. What you would do – Okay. Professional bowling. Tell us about it. Professional. Professional. Yeah, he does a lot of the PBA, the senior. I'm not sure if it's a tour. I know he goes to Vegas all the time and he's like flown out to New Orleans and – Back east a little bit.

Yeah, they're occasionally on ESPN. I've seen those. There's money in everything, John. Every sport. Yeah. You can bowl a 300. You can bowl a 300. You'll get paid to do it. I guess if you're passionate about something, you can do it. Yeah, if you're passionate and you're good – I always said find something you're really good at and become so good that people pay you to do it. And I guess – There you are. Oh, yeah. So do you – He'll probably get bored in a few years and then he'll probably move down to Mexico, probably Cabo or Loretta or something like that and buy own boat and go fishing down there and live down there. Is he that kind of guy, kind of a gypsy soul, just willing to up and go?

The more he gets up and age, the more I think so. So do you still live in Prescott? Where have you settled and started, I guess, putting your roots down? Are you still in Prescott Valley? Yeah, I'm still in Prescott Valley. My fiance and I just got a home and should be getting married here in September. We were going to get married in June.

September's a row. That's a – wow. That's an IQ test, Jeff. That's an IQ test. One man to another. One hunter to another. Avoid September. You guys are – I don't know. Trust me. I get it. You've already lost that little battle? It wasn't even about that. It's just a corona deal. We were supposed to get married June 6th and – Vegas shut down and you couldn't do a drive-thru? What?

At this point, that's what it's going to be. Might as well just go to the courthouse and do it. Get it. Take off your mask to kiss the bride.

Well, is the house in her name or your name? That's all I want to know. I'm in her right now. I'm marrying up. If it's in her name, then you're getting married in September.

She's the boss. Yeah, buddy. Well, all right. So, Arizona's home. You've been there for a decade or more, obviously, now. Yeah, like 15 years or so. Uh-huh. Gotcha. So, did you hunt prior to your dad bringing you to Arizona? Or, obviously, that was about the time, you know, 12-ish or so that you can legally start in Arizona. So, was that – did you start hunting in Arizona basically then, huh? Or did you do that? Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Like, my dad sacrificed a lot of his time to, like, not be successful taking me with him. I mean, when you're hunting with your bow on the kaibab, that was the first time I was ever up there. And he just dragged us around and he'd take us on still hunts. And knowing what I do know now or what I know now, it's pretty unrealistic. Yeah. Yeah. Picture you. Yeah. Picture you. Yeah. As a guide.

Guide, and you've got, you know, eight, ten-year-olds following behind you as you're trying to kill your client a buck with a bow. Guiding your kids is the hardest, toughest client ever and the most unappreciative. Exactly. I did not appreciate it then. But now I think back on it. I'm like, man, he sacrificed a lot. Oh, yeah. My dad used to take me to the kaibab, sit me in a tree stand and say, I'll be back in 24 hours. No. It wasn't that long, but it was daylight till dark. I promise you that. No, he did that the next year. Did he? Wow. Sat you in a tree stand? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Awesome. So that's where you cut your teeth on mule deer and then pretty much started getting, got bit pretty hard and bit by bit. Yeah, I was doing a lot of stuff. I mean, a lot of bicycle riding and stuff. That's like what I love doing.

And then like once I got in the high school, it was like, I don't know, the mule deer bug, I just love, well, not even mule deer, it was just hunting. I just love going hunting and hanging out with my dad and stuff like that. So are we talking now back to the bicycle riding? We're talking like kind of down those professional roads or is it just more like just, I don't know. I want to know who this kid is. Come on. Hold on. I thought it was. There's only one thing. Bicycle riding. No, there's not. There's BMX. That only means one thing. There's BMX. There's all kinds of stuff. Jeff, what did you do? No. It was BMX. I used to feel like to backflip a bike and stuff like that. I thought it was backflip. Oh, backflip. So you're talking. He's talking professional. Wow. Yeah. Dang. Yeah. Did you ever break your neck? No. I broke a lot of other stuff. It's not my neck.

I've never broken anything riding bicycles, riding dirt bikes on the other hand. Power sports. You guys have done a little everything. That's awesome. Yeah. So you got cranking into hunting? Yeah. And that's how I kind of, you know, my dad kind of sat me down one day in high school and said, well, what are you going to, like, what are you going to do? I don't know. What kind of question is that? Ride my bike and bowl a little bit and maybe fish on the side.

And, you know, and I started thinking about it. I'm like, well, I'm really liking hunting. I might as well try to be a hunting guide. And what would I say? Like six months later, I got lucky and was working for Marvin James back in the day. This is like right out of high school or type of thing? This is right out of high school. This is months after high school. So you're working elk and deer both in Arizona primarily? Is that where you started? Probably got you on the tie bag running cameras and different things? Yeah. No. Yeah. I was hanging out with Marvin a little bit doing that and over in New Mexico with them a lot over at the cabin. The cabin. Yeah. And doing a lot of elk hunts over there. And then it just kind of, I took off from there and started working for getting Matt Schimberg out of Arizona and started doing a lot of hunts in the strip and stuff like that.

And then gradually moved over to gray because I'm doing a lot of hunts. Like I'm doing it full time now. So it's, I'm just not, I'm not doing six hunts a year anymore. I'm doing 15 or 20, I would guess, to make a living. It's a little bit tougher in Arizona when it's strictly a draw. Nevada has some, you know, whether it be the outfitter draw or landowner tags, you know, ways to, I guess, bolster clients, you know, for an outfitter versus just strictly draw hunters only in Arizona. Oh, a hundred percent. And the thing with the Nevada stuff is you get guys that are repeat clients that are buying these landowner tags year in and year out. So it's, you build a good relationship with them and it's, it's fun to go hunt with them. So how long have you been working for Greg then in Nevada? Um, I think this is going to be my fifth year. Wow.

Well, and he's taken a lot of clients and you've got, you guys, you know, seem to work really well together. You're on a lot of hunts with him. He's obviously, uh, believes in you. He's, you know, you've killed a lot of game over there in, in Nevada, um, in a short amount of time, if it's five years, I mean, geez, you've been involved in a lot of deer, 200 inch plus type deer. So, you know, unfortunate. Yeah. Really fortunate. Really fortunate. And, uh, so anyway, yeah. So making a living 15, 20 plus hunts a year and, uh, cranking along. It looks like, uh, you're going to stay, stay the course and, and keep going or. Yeah. Um, I don't, I don't think I'm going to slow down anytime soon. Um, you know, I'm, I'm only 26 now and the fiance is okay with what I'm doing. So they keep doing that for as long as they can. As long as you can get away with it, do it. Uh, it's just what I got.

The end of the day, it's like what I live for. It's just like, like, even though some days people are like, man, you need the best job ever, but some days it's not that fun. Uh, you know, when you're grinding it out for 20 days and can't turn anything up or, you know, something of that nature. Not all notching tags and, you know, lowering tailgates to throw 200 inches in the back. No. Exactly. No. So fast forward, I guess last year a little bit, we'll maybe go back to your guiding in a bit, but this, uh, obviously this guiding in Arizona, guiding in Nevada, killing big mule deer, put your hands on them. Tell us why, uh, as we're leading up to maybe your, your deer hunt in Arizona last year, what made you choose archery season? Um, and, uh, I don't believe correct me if I'm wrong that you had anywhere near like a maximum point pool, uh, points. So.

Oh, I wasn't, I wasn't even in the running. I thought, um, I believe I drew it with nine points. I believe it took 18 was, was max for archery. So going into the draw, it wasn't, it wasn't even a thing. I just never even thought about it. That was the first year I ever put in for the archery. Cause I was kind of worried with, so like with Nevada, your, like your tags, they come out well before. Yeah. You already knew your schedule to a large extent. Exactly. Before you even apply. And Greg's going, Hey, I got lots and lots of work. And you're like, uh. Yeah. Well, it was never like, uh, I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. So I'll just, I'll just buy points. And then last year I'm like, I'm just going to put in. You know, moisture was looking too good. Just things like that. You're like, exactly. You, you never know. And Greg's the kind of guy he's, it's not a big deal.

He's like, all right, well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll figure it out. So I'm like, all right. Well, and it ended, and it ended up kind of preface that a little bit. He drew his own tag too. He's applying and, and cranking. Well, we'll get this. Like when I found out I drew the tag. Um, so I was just hanging out in bed summer day and woke up or eating breakfast and people like, oh, cards are getting hit. I'm like, all right. I'm like, I'm not going to check it. I'm not, I don't want to check my, my bank account. I'm like five minutes later, I'm going to check it. I pull it up. It says $45 on there. I'm like, call my buddy Benny Wells. And I go, Benny, what's this? Uh, it's $45. I have a deer tag. And he's like, he's like, looks like you're going to be, um, hunting 13 B this year. Unless, unless Taylor drew on my application. I'm like, oh no.

I'm like, I just put in by myself on my application and I only put in one choice. So from that, from right then I knew it was 13. I only put in 13 B archery and I called Greg immediately to like, look, um, I have this tag and he was kind of like, he didn't seem that excited, but little did I know that he just drew the tag and he's like probably on a hospital bed. I don't know. Was he? Probably just passed out. No. Oh, he, he, yeah. Just shocking off. Both of you guys. He was in shock. Yeah. And I was too. One of the best moisture years in history. And here we are. We've got a couple pair of tags. We're going to kill a couple of giants. Exactly. Yeah. So I think it's important. You know, a lot of people don't understand that, you know, that don't live for the Arizona strip guide at whatever, or arid places like Nevada, Southern Utah. And we talk about moisture a lot.

Some areas like, you know, Wyoming, uh, Idaho, you know, that means die offs, you know, those heavy winters, heavy, you know, but down here, I mean, that means antler growth, you know, there's no enough down here. That doesn't happen down here. I wouldn't, I couldn't imagine it. Yeah. So unless they died in a flash flood. So anyway, you're, uh, you're going hunting. You guys are conversing a little bit and, and just kind of shocking off, just dumbfounded. So yeah. Like when I drew the tag, um, like I was stoked, but I did not think about it again. Like I was like, I don't, I don't even want to think about the hunt because I'm going to lose sleep and, you know, I just want to live my everyday life. Yeah. And so I, but I hired my buddy, Bob Dykeman of shadow Valley and I do some work with them too. Um, and I would guess it was probably almost a month later, he started sending me a few

trail camera photos and I'm like, now I can't sleep. Like, why would you send me these? And the first buck he sent me was a deer I killed. Wow. Really? And he told me where it was and I'm like, yeah, that's awesome. Like, that's, that's cool. I'm going to forget about it. Cause that, you know, that's probably won't find that deer. Probably be a guv tag buck or something like that. Who knows? Exactly. I, and I honestly thought I was like, that buck's going to be dead. He's, he's going to die from the guv tag. He was crushing water. Um, where he lived is super thick. It's not, it's not even realistic for a bow. That's why I was, I was like, awesome. I'm just stoked that I know there's going to be other bucks of that caliber. I would hope. Yeah. And, um, turns out I was like, um, I'm not, I'm just not going to hunt that deer.

There's so the problem last year, there was so many deer, so many giant deer. I could not figure out which one I wanted to hunt. Wow. Yeah. Good problem. And there's a lot of cameras on, you know, as people know, there's a lot of cameras out there on each of these waters. So you're thinking, well, there's another five, eight, 10 plus guides that know about this deer, all these other deer, whatever. There was, there was like 25 cameras on the same. It was the most ridiculous. It's like Nevada. When you go to Nevada drink and go, someone goes, Oh, I counted 30 cameras on there. I'm like, Oh yeah, but they're in the pan. There's, there's four troughs and a lot of people are putting four cameras. Yeah. You got to divide. In Arizona, there's one trough. So there was people running video. Um, there was a lot of stuff going on and I just, I, I didn't want to compete sitting in water too.

That was one thing. I just, I just wanted to have a fun hunt and not do that. I want to talk just a quick, real quick, briefly. You're a guide yourself. You're 26 years old. You're aggressive. You know, the average Joe out there would say, why would, would a kid like this go and hire somebody? I just want to talk about that just briefly. Especially the importance of once in a lifetime tags and biting off more than you can chew if you were to do this on your own. And then also, um, just making the most of the opportunities that come along. Doesn't need you. Doesn't mean you needed a guide necessarily. However, help on a tag like this was well worth the investment. At the end of the day, a lot of people like, well, I'm going to do it myself. It's like, all right, well, I've been on the strip a lot. I've 113 beat a lot. I do not know it as well as other guides. Yeah.

Um, guys like, like Bobby, he he's run all of it. He knows, I would say more than the majority of all the waters and says cameras on. How did he learn it? How did he learn it? Did he used to work for somebody? You said you kind of worked with Schimberg. So, you know what Schimberg was, I mean, you want to say he's one of the olds, he's one of the greats clear, but you know, I would say nineties, early two thousands. He was, he was, yeah, he was like the man down there. You learned a lot from him. You still booked an outfitter. Bobby, Bobby does well. Yeah. He worked under Schimberg as well. Yep. That's awesome. Yeah. So at the end of the day, and then another thing to keep in mind, I have another job too. Yeah. I can't. You've got August 10th as an opener in Nevada, right? Exactly. You've got two weeks or whatever of archery deer hunting guiding. And I was there. Yeah.

So that's a big, that's a big part of it. You know, if you had nothing else, if you had a, I don't know, eight to fiver in Prescott Valley, it, you know, might've been a totally different deal, but situationally. Yeah. Yeah. A tag like this comes along in a year that's going to be epic. It's obvious. The trail camera pictures alone. I mean, you knew even before trail camera pictures based on the winter and spring moisture, but then they just reinforced it. And you're like, this is, this is the stars of a line. Exactly. And then Greg, he gets his tag and then he hires an outfitter too. Greg's been outfitting for how many years? You know what I mean? Over 30. Yeah. So anyway, and then he hires a Clay Bundy, right? Yeah. And for the rifle hunt course, we want to, you know, differentiate that from your hunt. But anyway, all right. Let's jump into the hunt.

So I get a, uh, so I get out of Nevada, I had Nevada for, I don't, I don't know, eight or nine days, head home for a little bit. And I was in a burn straight to the strip, but I'm like, you know what? Um, I want to go up there fresh because I'm going to be up there for 21 days. Yeah. Not including during the hunt. I'm not leaving. Yeah. Like I'm going, like when I go there, I'm going, I'm not, I'm not coming back or, or whatever. So I go home, hang out with the lady, um, you know, load stuff up, go over, organize stuff, make food, whatever. Looking at houses, you know, making marriage plans. Yeah. But getting ready to head out. But I think it is important. She knew, she knew what I, when I drew the tag though, she was like, what? Like she just didn't get it. I'm like, this is, this is big. This is like you getting a free pass to Disneyland for your whole life right here.

No, that's a good, my wife would, that would resonate with my wife. Use it perfectly. Use it. Next time I'm going to, because they're my, my, my wife and daughter have been so burnt bummed because, uh, daughter, which she's 17. It's not like I've got five year olds anymore, but they go down at least once a year. Wow. Yeah. Just so that'd be a good, that'd be a good analogy, right? Yeah. I'm going to use it, Jeff. I'm taking that from you. So next time. What would my wife, my once in a lifetime, you know, tags though, that doesn't work anymore. I need a new line and that's a good one. Dinner and dishes for 150 days. I mean, what would resonate with John? Food storage for six years. Me gardening. You gardening. Months on end. All right. Keep going. Keep going. This isn't going anywhere. Good. Right. Right. So, um, I, I'm leaving. Right. So it's Tuesday.

My buddies, uh, Brian Bundrick and Jason Giese. They loan me their side by side. Like, Hey, you can use this on your strip hunt. I'm like, well, heck yeah. I'll take it. Three or four days before the hunt. Um, Brett Simonson and Bronson Bundy from MDA. They called me and said, like, Hey, we don't have any archery hunters this year. And we want you to know that this giant buck with a single dropper, he moved five and a half miles to the East to this one catchment. And you need to put a blind there. So immediately I got on my dorm, text my buddy, Bobby, Bobby Dykeman. And I said, Hey, you go put a ground blind on this catchment right now. He's like, all right. He goes and puts one on there. And a few days later, that's when I'm heading up. And I pick a spot directly between. So it's, yeah, it's five and a half miles across from a to B catchment or whatever.

And I park right in the middle of it. And I'm like on this tiny little look, I sit down and start glassing. And it's, I'm up, I'm up there and it's, it's dark thing near pitch black. And I glass his buck up bedded. And it's the video I sent you guys. He's laying down. And after, once it, once it starts getting light, I start realizing like it's this deer. And he gets up and I get the, and I'm like, no way. And I'm kind of bummed out just a little bit because. Too easy. Too easy. Too easy. Yeah. I leave Prescott. I drive all night. I get there. The only deer I'm looking at is the buck that I've been here looking for. I'm going to look for. This buck's dead and doesn't even know it. That's what you're thinking. Well, that's what I'm thinking. Well, I know I've, I've played this game for a little while. So I'm like, this, this never happened. Right. Yeah.

You want, I want to be in these shoes right now when I have a bow in my hand and I can't, I can't do anything with them. I'm like, this is what's going to happen. We're going to find that. I'm going to find this deer right now. Like I just did. And we're not going to turn them up for a week or something. You know, that's what I'm thinking. But in the meantime, I'm getting the best video of like my life on one of the biggest deer I've ever seen. I've, I mean, he made like top five probably biggest year I've seen. I'm videoing them. I call my buddy Benny and I'm like, dude, I found a giant and everyone's excited. And like, you know, when you go to say you're like, you're moving from one home to the other and you're like calling your buddies and you're like, Hey, you want to help me out and move? People are like, Oh yeah. Like maybe. Yeah. Let me check my schedule. Yeah, exactly.

That's how it was. Everyone's like, yeah. Like, yeah, I'd love to be there. Okay. Well, I'll tell you right now, when I found that thing, everyone, 90% of guys I invited were like, loan up the truck right now. We're off. And then he showed up the next day just to go hunt that thing with me. Yeah. I'll bet. And, um, so when I found that deer, he was 400 yards from the side by side. Jeez. And I mean, what was I going to do? He was, he was on a wide open face and he finally fed over the hill and I'm like, well, I have to leave. So I left and I never went back and I didn't want, I didn't want anyone to see me in there. Yeah. It's competitive. Let's, it is putting it lightly. It's competitive. Yeah. Which MDA guys, MDA guys, knowing you're booked with Bobby. I mean, the MDA guys are pretty, pretty stand up, good dudes. That was very, that was very cool of them. Yeah.

And I've always had a really good relationship with Brett Bronson and Brett. Um, that was very awesome. And I'm very appreciative. Yeah. They were just like, you know, we're like, we don't have any archery hunters and we've always had good experiences with you and run ins and stuff. And like, we, you deserve that deer. I'm like, well, I don't know if I deserve it, but I appreciate it. Yes, I do. Let's do this. All right. So this was Tuesday. This was Tuesday morning. Uh, the hunt starts Friday. Is that about where we're at? No, that was, so I left Tuesday. So I, this is Wednesday morning. Wednesday morning. Gotcha. And, uh, 48 hours before it's go time. Yeah. And it, and it is setting in. And when I think, keep in mind, like when I, I, when I drew this tag, I didn't want to stress myself out. Um, good luck in 2000, 2014. Yeah. Right.

I drew a unit 10 early archery tag for, for people that don't know what that is. It's like a pretty big deal. Yeah. For real early rifle. Did you say archery? Archery? Yeah. Archery. Early archery unit 10. Yeah. It's big, big deal. And I, uh, I hunted every day. I killed the biggest bull I ever, ever have, but I just didn't have fun because I was so worried about killing a big bull.

Does that make sense? Like I was so, I just didn't, I just didn't, I just didn't enjoy the hunt and I did not want to do that on this hunt. And I, I didn't want to kill a deer just because of a number either. Um, if the deer was, you know, old, heavy, wide, whatever, if I liked the deer, I'm going to shoot them. It doesn't have to be a set number. You know, one of my favorite deer killed from last year in the strip was probably one of the lowest scoring deer, but he was huge. That makes sense. Yeah. And, uh, scores not everything. That's for sure. When I, so when I saw the video show camera video, this buck, I'm like, honestly, if I was sitting water and this thing came in, like, I'm not even sure I'm going to like him. I'll tell you right now, when I glass them up, I liked him. He's mine. Yeah. I liked him. Yeah. I'm like, he will do, and I could kill him right now, but I can't. Yeah.

So you go into camp. I don't know. I assume that day or night or next day, your dad, all these buddies are coming up. No. So my dad, he started that new job. So he wasn't showing up till Saturday morning. Oh, geez. And I'm thinking I have a, I have an army. I have a lot of friends that sacrifice their time to show up and have a good time with me. And a lot of them never even been to the strip. So at that time, like we're going to cover this country and it's like the most killable country you've ever seen. Jeez. And we hunted and we chopped it up. We look like just soldiers out there chopping up this country. And, uh, we never turned to him. And I'm like, wow. Well, keep in mind the night before I checked all the waters. I drove, check all the waters on camera. He never hit any, he hadn't hit for three days. So I was kind of worried where he went.

Um, anyways, we hunted them all day, Friday opening day. And then they, um, Friday night. I'm like, he's not, I'm like, he's not here. There's no way with the amount of us. Yeah. Yeah. We did not, we had to have cut a fresh track. And I think thinking back now, I'm pretty sure when I parked my side by side up there, I'm pretty sure I bumped him. Yeah. I, I think I did. Yeah. He moved three miles from there and went back to his original water hole, which is, it's just not realistic. It's, I'm not going to sit water. Um, I mean, I will, I actually did that morning until like six 30. I'm like, I'm over this. Let's go on. Um, and, um, well, anyways, I checked the water hole that night and he, he, he hit it opening morning. And I'm like, okay, well. Opening morning before daylight or after daylight? Before daylight. Okay. Like with an hour of daylight.

And we were, we hunted all day in a different spot thinking he's over there. Yeah. So I'm like, well, I'm not going to go sit water over there. Cause I'm, there was another buck. There was another 240 something inch deer. And I was like, I just don't want to compete with people sit in water and just doesn't sound fun to me. Right. And, um, I'm like, all right, well, I know of two other bucks that are in the two twenties. So I sent half the group down South looking for them. And then I went, went West with a few guys, never turned them up. And this is on Saturday. My dad shows up and, uh, we're just hanging down camp. I think making a plan. I'm like, well, there's a couple other bucks. And we ended up killing both of these deer later on. One in the archery and one in the rifle hunt. They're both 215 and one was 220. Well, let's go look for, I sent like everyone.

I'm like, let's go look for these deer. And me, my dad, my buddy, Mark and warmer, we'll go look for this other buck. It's not likely that we're going to find them, but you never know. So I pull up on this ridge and it's probably five 30. And I get out and where this buck was, there was a huge rim and you get a glass across like two miles of sage. And then it starts getting the broken up juniper country. So I pull up my doctors and everyone has their big eyes. And it's just me and my dad and Mark or Mark, my dad and I. And as soon as I sit down within a minute, I glass up this buck. I don't even know if it's a buck. I just, I'm just guessing. It looked like a cow because the body was so big. I'm like, Hey Mark, I got a, I got a cow right here or a buck. And he's like, all right. He wasn't paying attention to me really. I'm like, ah, it's gotta be a buck.

And finally the buck walks out and it is so windy and so hazy. We're looking straight into the sun. My buddy described it like a, a child is swinging from your tripod while you're looking through a screen door in the sun. That's how it was. And, uh, I don't even know what, I didn't even know what deer it was. I glassed up. I could just tell it was a, a big deer. Yeah. Yep. I'm like, I'm out of here. I'm like, I know there's not, there's not very many bucks right here. And I had a big frame. I told those guys, I'm like, all right, sit on them. I'm gone. So I take off and I'm, I'm running across this stage and, uh, keep in mind, I broke, I snapped my leg. Um, 2018 sent my Tim and Fib. So that was the first time I ever ran. So I felt good, but keep in mind the next day I could barely, the next three days I couldn't, I could not even walk. It was ridiculous.

But anyways, so I'm running towards this deer and I'm, I'm almost there. And those guys are like, and it's kind of risky because it's wide open stage and it goes up to a little roller, which the deer is on. And those guys are like, yeah, we have them, but he went behind a tree. We don't know which tree he went behind. We don't know if he could see you or not. And I'm like, well, I don't care. I'm either blowing the deer out right now or I'm going to get an opportunity. I can't just sit back and, and hope on what he did. So I'm just running up there and I get almost to the deer and my buddy, Mark, he tells me, he's like, dude, it's the, it's the buck. And it's like, it's our deer. So I'm like, okay, cruising up there. And for some reason I thought, I don't know, since I'm stalking a giant deer, like I'm not going to feel any pain.

So I'm like barefoot basically cruising across this cactus covered land. And I'm just going to do it. I went a hundred yards probably and was like, put the boots back on, started crushing ground again. And I'm, I'm threading the wind a little bit too, because I know where the deer is at now, like the general area and the wind is kind of iffy in those canyons. And once I get on top of those guys, stop me. They're like, you need to stop right there. So I'm like, all right, I'm just hanging out for a minute. And, um, I take my boots off this time for, for good. And they tell me, they're like, Hey, this, that deer just, he just walked out. He's, he's walking right to left, probably in front of you, probably a hundred yards. I look up and I'm like, I can see him clear as day. I'm like, yeah, that's about a hundred yards. And he's, he's angling to me.

So now I'm like getting pretty nervous because a giant deer walking at me. That's what happens. Something's going to happen. Yeah. The hunt starts at a hundred yards. Yeah. So, and he's like, he's coming and then he's like angling to me. He stops. And I start covering ground. I'm walking right at him in the wide open, not wide open. It's, it's pretty open though. I pick on my range finder range and 68 yards and he's perfectly broadside facing dead away from me.

Just destroying this cliff rose bush. And I'm like, all right. And I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, now this is, I could shoot. 70, like all day long. My only concern was, is me shooting and him hearing the arrow or my bow going off and like duck and lunging or ducking, you know? So I'm thinking, I'm like, well, I could shave off a few more yards right here, but I'm in the open. And he, he stopped feeding and just started scanning. He scanned right, like straight to me and just locked onto me. And I'm like thinking to myself, I just, I just ruined the great opportunity because I didn't, I didn't shoot. And he's staring a hole right through me and I have a face mask on and gloves on. And hopefully he can't see like any shine or anything. And I'm like, I'm clipped on. I'm ready to draw. I just can't. Or it was like the little devil on one side and the angel on the other.

Like one side was telling me like, just draw your bow back. The other side was like, just be patient. And for some reason I just stayed patient. And he turned back around and started feeding again on that same bush. Jeez. Lucky. Instantly.

Right when I started drawing back, like I was shaking, like you couldn't believe how bad I was shaking, shaking so bad. And finally when I hit full draw, it was just like, everything went away. And I settled it. I settled that pen and I was shooting a hinge release, like one of those back tensions. And it felt so good just going off. It felt perfect. And as the arrow's going, the buck, the buck starts spinning.

The buck starts spinning out of the way. And I thought my arrow went right in front of his brisket. And it sounded like it hit a bush. And that's about that time, my dad and my buddy Mark was like, did you, did you shoot? That buck, like that buck just tore off out of there. Did you shoot? I'm like, yeah, I shot. And they're like, all right, well. What do you think? I don't know. I don't know. It's all been there. So I'm a cruiser. Put my boots on, cruiser over there. I get to where his tracks are. And I'm like, all right, well, there's no arrow. There's no blood. So I hop on his tracks. I track them for about 20 yards. No blood still. Wow. No, people are like. You're sick. I'm pretty bummed, yeah. People are like, so what, like you're like, Jeff, what's going on? I don't know, guys. I'm 30 yards in and there's no blood. They're like, all right, well, just stay on this track. All right.

I'm just following this track. 40 yards in, 50 yards in, no blood. So as you can tell, like, as you would imagine, I'm pretty low right now. Yeah. You're figuring, yeah, I missed him. What I thought I saw probably is what happened. Figuring the worst. Yep. Exactly. And I'm walking and I have my boonie hat pulled over my head. So I get to about 70 yards. I take one step. And in my peripherals, I could see a hoof within two feet of my boot. And I look up and there is a giant deer with an arrow stuck in him dead. Wow. And I'm telling you right there, I've never experienced anything like the emotions that. I didn't cry like a baby or anything, but I honestly couldn't breathe. It was, I can't even explain it. Well, your mind was somewhere completely else. Like, I'm just following these tracks because that's the last place I know where the deer went. There's no blood.

You're maybe even lost hope. You're hoping, but you probably even already lost hope. 70 yards is a long ways. Just mindlessly walking. The hope flew out the window. Yeah. 70 yards is a long ways to follow a track, bounding track, and not find blood. With not one. And when I tell you, when I shot, this thing was gone. Like lightning. Super fat. I've never seen a deer. It was, I don't know, it was so weird. It was like a blink and he was gone. It was just dust. Wow. So, man, when I walked up to him, I didn't even touch him. I just came over the radio and I said, you know. Come down, boys. Come down. Yeah, pretty much. Everyone drives safe because I don't want any of you idiots thinking you're in the bottom of 1000 and rolling a truck. So, this deer's going to be here. Well, and when you do something like that, you want to share the initial emotions with everybody. They all deserve it.

They all came up on their own time, their own dime. It's just part of it. Like, that's a huge part of it. The success of it is not only is he giant, but we did it, you know. Exactly. We did it. We targeted a buck, we hunted a buck, and we killed this buck. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. I was very stoked for my dad to be there, too, because he didn't hunt Friday at all. He was working. Drove up Friday night. We were gone by the time he was there in the morning. So, this deer I killed, that was the first buck. That was the first deer he saw on the strip that year. Wow. And, I mean, the first stock of your target deer, or one of the five target deer. It was meant to be. Yeah. It was meant to be, 100%. I mean, people are like, wow, man, you got so lucky. I'm like, I don't think it was luck. I mean, it was, we put a lot of work into this, and I got, it was just meant to be, you know. Yeah.

That's what I thought. Like, when I was shooting that day at camp, too, and I'm pretty sure, I'm not 100% sure, but when we were shooting, we were shooting a can at, like, I'm pretty sure it was 68 yards sitting. I was sitting in a chair. Come on. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not even joking. It's funny. Wow. Yeah. Pretty amazing. Pretty awesome, buddy. It's a, it's a once in a lifetime deer. I'm sure, you know, you're young enough. Yeah. You'll get a bigger deer than that, and being an Arizona resident, you'll, you'll hunt the strip again. So. Hopefully. Praying. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yep. Yeah. It was, uh, I'm just glad I experienced it with, like, all my friends, and it wasn't, like, I don't know, it was just perfect. No drama with anything, and just. Yeah. And I think that's one thing about it. People, like, look at the teams that go hunting, and there's a little bit of a distaste for,

for teams out hunting, and a lot of it is, is that you didn't necessarily need a team that big, but everybody wanted to be a part of it, and you want them there. So, did you need three or four or five guys glassing shoulder to shoulder? Shoulder to shoulder? Well, no. It was like 10. Yeah. Yeah. But, but did you need that, or was it more, that's what was really cool about hunting camp? Right. That was what's really cool about a once-in-a-lifetime type tag. Oh, they're rare. What really, it felt really good, because I've been a part of a lot of auction stuff in the past. I don't, we don't do auction stuff anymore, but I have in the past, and there's been 20 guys, 15 guys, 10 guys on this, and like, to show up to a camp and know that those are all my friends. Yeah. And they're all here out of their pocket. It's a great thing. And they're not paid to be there.

And the one thing you find, we found a little bit is people that are paid to be there, I mean, you can't, you can't pay people to hunt like they hunt with passion, because they want to be there, because they're, they chose to be there, and to help somebody. Well, and, and that opportunity to a 13B archery, most all, I would assume, really grasp the magnitude of what that tag is. The rarity of it is, even as a resident, you're, you're not going to get more than, let's just say a handful or less, if you're really lucky throughout the course of your life. And that's a handful, sounds crazy, but, but it might be your only archery strip tag. Who knows? Who knows? Very good. Depends on how you apply. But yeah, the, the, the rareness of a tag like that elevates everybody's wanting to be there and be a part of something special. We've, we've been on some hunts like that.

Jason, I mean, your sheep hunt or my Henry's hunt were the most recent two I can think of where we had, you can't tell friend, great friends. No, I mean, and they're good help. They're good help to begin with. It's not like, Hey, they're just in the way. Nobody's in the way. They're all wanting to be there. And, uh, it's pretty special when it happens and you get a, you get all put your hands on. It's kind of like the, the bear that falls out of the tree and all the dogs get to chew on it for a little bit. I mean, you gotta let the dogs chew on it for a minute. That's, you know, it's kind of like you and your buddies. You got to let them enjoy the moment, chew on the deer a little bit, you know, just coming in and enjoy it. And that's part of, part of doing it and making memories and congratulations, man. What a, what a, what a giant, what a, what a end up going.

Just, um, I never got him officially scored. I know. What'd you guys get him at gross roughly? I, um, so when I killed the deer, all Brett and Bronson asked me, they said, Hey, when we, um, all I asked is if you kill him, you call us. We want to go up there. All right. I killed him. Text him on the sat phone. Like he's dead. Like, all right. What kind of beer are you like? They brought it up to us. And, uh, I was sitting there with Bronson and Bronson was like, Hey, do you mind if I score him? Absolutely not. Like there's not one number you could come up with right now. That's going to make me disappointed. Right. That's right. You tell me that deer is 185 or whatever. And I didn't care. And, um, you know, they, they scored him that night. I believe he's 239 or two right at 240. Yeah. Gross. Um, gross. I don't play with nets, but yeah.

Um, and he's not a wrecker or anything, nor, nor, I don't care to get them stripped or any of that. Well, just, but just for conversation's sake, you know, that's the kind of deer you go out there for. That's the kind of deer you, you hope for on the Arizona strip. I mean, yeah. If he got official, I think he's going to be the low two thirties. I mean, you got to figure the velvet and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what an awesome deer. Yeah. And a great year too. That's another thing. It's got to keep in mind. Everybody's waiting one every once, every four or five years, you get one of these great weather years. And then you're the first hunt of a great weather year on top of the fact you've put in, you've put in your dues a little bit. You've definitely helped friends or, you know, wanting to come out and help you.

And so it's just all the anticipation, all the buildup of, uh, seeing something special die. How cool is that? Right. Wow. It was awesome. Well, right on buddy. Um, it's that time of year, of course, that's why we kind of put him in the Arizona issue. Um, you guess you've seen your story in our publication. Yeah. I had a few clients send it to me. Well, the paper mag's probably not quite to you, but it's pretty special. It's gets everybody fired up. Arizona's that last application state, you know, for, for deer, obviously last hope and deer like that give everybody a lot of hope that man, maybe this is my year. And it's kind of shaping up. I mean, it's rare to see back to back incredible years. I don't care if both years are, but it's feeling like this feeling like both from a Southern Utah, Northern Arizona, Southeastern Nevada, it's feeling like another one could be.

So I had a little bit of a dry spell here recently, but it warmed up quick the last month for sure. But we're not sweating too bad. It seems pretty darn good. Don't you figure? I would agree. I think this year, I think, especially in Arizona, I think it's going to be another freak year. There was a lot of giant deer that survived last year along with Nevada too. I haven't been paying attention to the precipitation charts in Nevada, but I heard it's a little slow right now, according to Greg. Yeah. It's, they had a lot of heavy, you know, storms. Late winter. Yeah. Late winter stuff. But then now it's, you know, we're in a little bit of a dry spell, but still feels good. I know Greg's a huge fan of moisture in May. Moisture in May makes everything. And I agree with him to an extent. We did have quite a buildup to this point. And so I don't think it's the end of the world we do.

We could use a little water, that's for sure. So, anyway. Well, we'll have to visit with Greg, have him on, tell his story as well. What a, what an absolute. Yeah. Great. His is a, I'm not even sure if he's told this story, but it's a, it's a pretty good one. It was, it was awesome to see him shoot that deer. I mean, that guy's been a lot of giant, giant deer. Yeah. For him to get one of his own of, you know, magnum size. It's awesome. Yeah. So when you killed your deer, the first attempt, we'll call it second day. Greg found out how fast did you say, Hey, how soon can you be back in Nevada? No, he'd never, I was done. He let you soak it in. He let you soak it in until the muzzleloader hunt. You didn't have to go back. No, he's a, he's a good boss. He's, he's like one of my best friends. Honestly, he's a good dude.

You soaked it in for a couple of weeks before you headed back to the muzzleloader then. Yeah. No, I didn't even go back to that. I was chasing some pine donkeys, you know, pine donkeys, some elk. Oh, okay. Down in Arizona. All right. Yeah. Okay. Pine donkeys. I've heard of swamp donkeys. That's swamp doggy, pine donkeys, sage donkeys. Yeah. Yeah. Well, pretty similar. Same bloodline. All right. Well, anything else you want to add, Jeff? We sure appreciate you coming on with us here today. Oh, of course. I appreciate you guys having me and especially having me on the cover. It's awesome. There was, going into that strip hunt, there was not one time, it never crossed my mind to be throwing a deer magazine worthy.

Nonetheless, a cover. Well, you did it. You did it. We appreciate you. He's worthy. That's for sure. Yeah. I appreciate it, guys. Such an awesome deer. All right, buddy. Well, again, thanks a lot. We appreciate it. Spend a little time with us. I don't know. Of course. Hopefully some of that good luck rubs off onto us this year. We're antsy for the draw results. We've got to amaze quite a great one. I think I'm drawing back-to-back, Sherpeg. Oh. I'll keep that one quiet. Only a resident can talk that way.

Well, thanks a lot. Appreciate it. It's a deer we can all look forward to and dream big about. But, yeah, good luck in the draws. I appreciate it, guys. Good luck in September. It sounds like you're going to be busy getting married. They probably aren't going to be guiding the muzzleloader hunt for deer in Nevada in September. Or the cedar donkeys. I'm trying to figure out honeydew stuff right now. Pine donkeys. Cedar donkeys. Cedar donkeys. Yeah, you're going to be living in that house that she owns. So, good luck to you.

Appreciate it. All right, buddy. Thanks, Jeff. Congratulations. Thank you, boys. What else should we do? You know what, Bronson? I'm so fired up about draw results. Let's do it. Let's call Utah. I'm going to have to stay quiet here because they're going to. Why? I'll tell them that I got my buddy on with me. We're excited about this. Huh? Just we're going to try to pry any tidbit of info we can out of the Utah draw. Let's see what they have to say. So, here, to tee it up just a little bit. But we're waiting for our credit cards to be hitting Utah. And, again, super tough to draw Utah. We're not really expecting much. No, but until you get the door slammed, there's hope. That's right. We've been getting a lot of door slammed the last week. Wyoming, Montana. That's right. Colorado sheep before that. So, let's call them. We want our cards charged. They have Bronson, arguably.

Not even arguably. Okay. The longest. Turnaround. Not even arguably. Meaning the time, the deadline to when the results come out. The longest. And in a day and age with credit cards, flip of a switch. These computer programs run the draws and nothing flat. What's the problem? Well, let's talk about a couple other states. Montana Moose Sheep and Goat and Bison. Their deadline was May 1st. Okay. On Monday, May 11th, the results came out in 10 days. What's the problem, Utah? Utah. Nevada. Okay. Nevada was May 4th. May 4th deadline. We're thinking middle of next week. Yeah. So. Come on. Within two, you know, 14 to 17 days. Points only was May 11. May 11. Utah's March 5th and we're still, now we're May, what are we, 12th? Is this a joke, Utah? Is this just a joke? I don't know. That's what we want to know. All right. And I realize they didn't set permits until April 30th. I realize that.

But I contend. Set them early. Have the draw. No. Have the draw run. You can run the draw. Run it. Have everybody queued. And then allocate permits. All you need to know is, oh, 40 tags in this unit, 40 of them to max. Those 40, those 20 got it. These 20 are random and move on. I mean. Not a problem. Anyway. It feels like they haven't kept up with some of the other advances that a lot of other states are doing. And we singled out the recent ones of Montana and Nevada. But I mean, California. Oh, yeah. You want to talk about that? They're out in like 10 days. Turn around. I mean, I don't really want to talk about them, but we can. But if somebody can turn. California can turn around. Hey. 10 days. You got a Democrat state that can turn it around way faster than Utah. We got problems. All right. Let's give them a call. I just want to give this gal. I'm just going to sit back. Give this gal.

See what he or she has to say, because we want some answers. Find out if they're going to email first or hit your card. Hello. You have reached the Utah Wildlife Administrative Services Office. Please have your social security number or customer ID for the next agent. You better get the customer ID. If you experience an extended hold time and are unable to wait, please keep in mind that our agents are available 24 hours a day, seven days before. Call up three in the morning. Your call may be monitored or recorded for quality assurance purposes. That's right. And by continuing with this call, you agree to have your call recorded. Dude. Thank you. Boom. Do it. May I have your name, please? My name's Jason. Okay. And what can I help you with today, Jason? Well, I was just wondering, when are you guys going to start charging cards? I want my card charged for like a deer tag here in Utah.

Okay. Well, we are currently conducting the draw process. So, let me see. So, what's going to happen is, one moment, I have to pull up the exact statement. Also, as of right now, we don't have an exact time for when credit cards will be charged. We're currently conducting the draw process and the results will be released on or before May 29th. Oh, you got to, so I think, am I wrong? Like, you've got to know more. You've got to know. That's really all we know at this point. We don't have any information to give out. Okay. So, you're not going to write. I'm actually keeping all that. Do you think I should, do you think I should check my pending charges like this week or early, midweek or end of week or next week? What do you think? Well, so, if you, it gives you until June 15th to pay, but you might, let me see, because

I believe they're going to start charging soon, but I believe credit card charge. Yeah, charging your credit, yeah, we really don't have an exact time for when credit cards will be charged. Okay. Are you guys, do you figure you're going to hit cards before you drop emails? Most likely, that's kind of the way it works, right?

We don't know. Not sure. We really have no idea. Not sure.

All righty. We only know what we've been told so far. Yeah. I don't blame you. You know, I just, super excited. Did you apply? No, I didn't, because I actually, I really only hunt in Texas. Oh, okay. All right. Well, everything's bigger in Texas. So, all right, guys. Well, I appreciate it. Have a great day. You have a very good day. All right. Talk to you later. Come on. The most bureaucratic red tape answer. He almost went there a couple times. He almost did. I know. And he knows more. And then I even started talking the one time, and I realized, oh, I can't talk. There's only one dude on the phone right now. He'd be like, wait, I thought I was talking to Jason. All right. He almost said, we're running cards. Let me find the statement. We're running credit cards. I don't have anything to tell you, Mr. I mean, he's reading it out loud. And then he just says, I have nothing to report.

All right. We're going to interject a quick update to the podcast. About 45 minutes after the phone call took place, Utah started charging credit cards. We're going to get some comments from Jason and Adam on that. And then we'll get back to the regular podcast. Just wants to keep his job in this COVID era. But we know better. We know better. We knew better when we called him. And then it wasn't 45 minutes after that call that what started happening. We started getting calls. We started getting charges. People were getting charged for Utah. We were getting charges. Just for general and stuff. We knew that it was underway. And think about this. We decided to have a podcast. We have a podcast. We call the state. Cold call. Yeah, just for fun. Just 45 minutes before they go ahead and start charging cards. But he's maintaining results to be out by May 29th. Okay.

Now he's doing what he's told to do. Yes. And he's a liar. Okay. How do you inside think about this? You're an employee. He knows what's going on in the back room or been going on. That's right. And the programming that's about to hit send and crushing cards by the tens of thousands. That's right. And my conscience tells me I shouldn't be a liar. But I have a job. And it's telling me to lie. He's got some internal struggles going on. Just funny. To be honest about it. He knows that they're getting ready to turn the key and allow all these cars to be charged. And he's trying to read the script as best he can. He's wishing we didn't call. I kind of feel bad putting him in that position for just a split second. That's all. It's funny. But it's kind of like your buddy that's already told you he's got a charge. But don't tell anybody I want to keep this under my hat.

But it gets out faster that way. This is between me and you. I get a charge. And I'm pretty excited. We're going to kill a giant. But don't tell anybody.

I know what it's like. I know. But anyway. Good times. We just thought we'd come back on here and just let everybody know. Cards are being charged. Have been charged. Go check your credit cards. Your gal's card. Whoever's card you used. If you've got a charge, figure out what it's for. Let us know. And you can kind of plan on a tag coming. Based on the title. Tag fee. In most cases. Except for the once in a lifetime. You non-residents are really. You got five options if you applied for all five of them. They're all the same fee. So there's nothing. No telling until we get emails. Hopefully within several days. But it's sometimes over a week. So who knows. Sometimes it's early to mid next week. Who knows. Maybe it'll be by Friday. Who knows. But good luck, y'all. Pretty funny stuff. Yeah. Good luck, y'all. And we're back to the regular podcast from here on out. It's called Calcomi.

Calcomi. Calcomi. It's Calcomi, they say. But I like calling him Calcomi. In Nevada. Let's. I mean, these results, Bronson. They're next week. Well, that's. Yeah. You've reached endowlicensing.com. Can I help you? Yeah. I was just wondering. I've heard the draw may happen fairly quick. I just was going to verify how things are looking. I know your deadline was May 4th. Your points was May 11th. How are we looking over there? The results will be made public on or before May 22nd. Okay. Okay.

All right. Well, I'm super excited about it. I just thought I'd give you a holler.

You know, on paper, you guys are going to beat Utah. And their deadline was clear back in March. And so, anyway, congrats to you guys. We're excited about it. Well, thank you. Are you excited? Are you excited? I am. I am. It's a great time of year. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be nice. We'll see how things go. It's like Christmas. Money flies out of your account, just like Christmas. But we're a little happier about it. Just like that. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. And then, of course, you have to buy all the new stuff to go with the new tags, right? That's right. That's right. And everything that Santa didn't get you, you've got to go out and buy. That's right. Exactly. Yes. I need you to talk to my. It's just like Christmas, right? I need you to talk to my wife. Do you mind? You don't want me to talk to your wife. Okay. All right. Well, I sure appreciate you. Hope you have a great day.

Just thought I'd twist somebody's ear this afternoon on getting a tag. All right. Well, good luck. Okay. Charge my card. I will do that. Okay. Thank you. Even if you don't get a tag. How's that? That's fine. If it comes from Kalkamai or Endow or whoever, that's fine. All right. All right. All right. Talk to you later. You have a good afternoon. All right. You too. Bye.

That's a different. There's a different attitude. There's a difference in attitude. All right, everybody. Are we done, Bronson? Yep. Be safe. Good luck in the draw. Let us know if you get a tag.