EP 247: Q&A Part 2

Anything to do with Western big game.

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter and the Epic Outdoors crew. We've got Devin, Josh, Wyatt, and John. How are y'all doing today? Good. How's the scouting going, Devin? How was your latest scouting trip? It was great. I had a blast. Really? What was the highlight?

Seeing the big buck or getting rid of some rodents. I went there alone, but I came home with guests. Mini friends? Yeah. How does a guy do that? You leave your truck parked in the sagebrush for a couple days. And you have friends. I have friends. They took my waters. It looked like a war zone. Inside of your vehicle. Something may have been attacked. I don't know. They had a party. What do you mean the attack? Was there blood? Remnants of blood and stuff? There was blood.

All right. So tell us what happened. Well, it's just... It happened once before in my old truck. They got in there, ate some granola bars. No big deal, right? Well, this time, there was a... It was worse. They ate their granola bars and digested it. Oh, yeah. There's poop. I mean, and I'm allergic to mice. Like, I knew it. My arm was hived up. And I... You got the Hanna virus. I get to town, and I'm just feeling a little kind of like when you got a tick on you a little. And it wasn't that bad until I pulled in to get gas, and I felt something on my foot. And I looked down, and a little bugger jumped out from the dash, like right next to the pedal, right onto my foot. It just... Something about it. Well, I just picked up Wyatt from the shop, and he had to watch out for traps. Yeah. I haven't caught one yet. I think he bailed after I kicked him. I don't know.

Who hasn't dealt with some rodents, though? Seriously. Yeah, I don't... Yeah. I, you know, I like to sleep in the back of my truck because you're up off the ground. You don't have the rattlers. Rattlers are out at dark. Like, that's... They're out to feed. And so you're just like, well, I'll sleep in the back of my truck. I feel... Yeah. Don't have to think, right? And one night, depending on where you're parked... I was parked near a water hole like an idiot. Because where there's water, there's feed. The rodents come out. The rodents come out. The snakes come out. Whatever. I'm way down in the desert, Mojave Green World. And I had rodents in and around, and they climbed up in the truck bed. I mean everywhere. And I'm just like, what in the crap? Never have been infested like that. Ever. It was like me and Wyatt last year. Yeah. Last year, Devin's Nevada. He shows up.

And I'm like, what is he doing? I look over. He's shaking his truck. It's the middle of the night. And I've been living there for a week. I was just fine. Shaking mice right out of it. I can hear them running all over Devin's truck. Yeah. My truck had been there for a week. Yeah. It was a miracle. Parked right on a pack rat's nest. We killed some. Yeah. Yeah. We did. We got some traps from town. We'll sticky traps. And we caught a few. The lady at Cow Ridge laughed at us. Jeez. I remember one time with the rodents, I had this old, I bought this old, like, 93 Chevy diesel, the one ton long bed short, or standard cab long bed with a Chevy diesel, the most amazing era of the Chevy diesel. You know what I mean? When they were useless. Anyway, driving down the road, and I opened up a gate, and I look back, and there's just a line of fluid from where I'd come from.

And I'm like, okay, I've sprung a leak. Believe no. It's fast. Yeah. Something's bad. And I went through the gate, and I pulled over, and I get up under there, and a fuel line, they had chewed through a fuel line. And I'm like, you're kidding me. I'm in the middle of nowhere, Hamlin Valley. And I'm like, well, I got to do something. So I cut it, and I took a Bic pin and gutted a Bic pin, put the Bic pin on both sides, close clamped it, and drove away. That's what Guyver. Hey. Right there. That's a good fix right there. Yeah. Hey. Never touched it again. Sold it. Send it down the road. And they're fine. Diesel is not explosive. You can hardly light it. And so whatever. The mechanics in there. What's this Bic pin? Anyway, I hate rodents. They'll chew through every, and then guaranteed, you've got wires, and they like some of those. I'm missing part of my brake pedal.

The corner of the brake pedal. The corner. Jeez. You took it on the chin. And even on my four-wheeler, I've got half of the choke where you pull the choke out. It's half missing. Come on. Yeah. Weird. Those are only things you can see. Imagine all the wiring harnesses. Yeah. Yeah. Fused panels. A big nest. I was worried when I started my truck last, because we were driving. I was in the side-by-side lot. Wyatt's like, you're going to, you better be careful. And I heard something, but I think it's all right. So, Wyatt, how's the scouting going for you? It seems like you took a little jaunt yesterday. Yeah. It's just getting rolling, so nothing great to report yet, but hopefully in the next couple weeks, it really turns on. Yeah. It's going to be great. Josh? Well, I guess so far, seeing some bucks. Found some new bucks, but... What I like about Josh is, so we got some new cell cams in.

We only ordered like five. Just to test them. They're super inexpensive, and they're awesome. Well, Josh is our gear test guy. Like, here you go, Josh. Throw them up. Sure enough, he's starting to load us with photos. They're working awesome. Yeah, they are. It's kind of fun. Yeah. Except now, this weekend and next, you're going to consist of picking them all up, I guess. Well, yeah. So, everybody that's running in Utah and Nevada, we're getting ready to pick them up. Seems like scouting season's already coming to an end as far as the technology part of the scouting, and then boots to the ground. Of course, boots have been on the ground, too. So, anyway, we've been running that Polaris Razor really hard. I can run. I mean, and you guys are the same way. Wyatt, you mentioned this. There's not a trail cam trapline that can be run as efficiently as you can in a Razor doing 60.

No, you can easily double the amount of work you can do in a truck a day. It's unbelievable. Yeah. The only thing that bothers me is these squalls, you know, you get an afternoon, you know, rain shower. I hate that. Mine's the dust, being exposed. I just hate feeling dirty like that. Yeah. Yeah. There's something to be said for a truck and windows and air conditioning. But, anyway, if you are looking, John, you've been over to the Triple S Polaris store here in Cedar. Yeah, I went over. So, one thing that's kind of new, every time we've been over there in the last two years, it's like the showroom is empty. Bone. Just like a dealership. Just like a truck dealership. Yeah. This is the first time I went over there, and they've actually got machines in. And so, I talked to them, and they have several that are ready to go.

I mean, more than I'm going to mention here, but we had Adam that was looking for probably six months for a new Wheeler to go. And so, they've got a couple of used machines in there as well as new. So, I'd just like to mention a few. They've got a 2010 Polaris Sportsman 550, and they want 5800 for it, and it looks like it's in great shape. So, they do, you know, kind of a trade-in program. Yeah, trade-in program. So, that one, that one, it should have been on Adam's list right there. But, anyway, if you want that, or they've got a bunch of 2020 models, they've got the Razer Pro 24,000. They've got, let's see, the Razer XP. That's a 2022 model. That's a 2022 model. Yeah, brand new. Brand new. Yep. And, like, they're upgraded a little bit. This one's got, like, this Walker-Evan shock package. Well, it's pretty amazing. I think they don't like stock. Right.

I mean, they do sell stock vehicles, but, man. So, you get one from them, and it's sweet. They've got the 2022 Plus Razer XP. Yeah. Four-seater. 1,000 Sport. 1,000 Sport. And then, if you want one of the Rangers, the Crew SP 570 Premium, they've got that, I mean, in stock. And, they'll ship nationwide. So, give them a call. 435-865-0100. They're even selling electric bikes. Yeah. That's what I like about these guys. I mean, they sit generators, Polaris generators. They sell all kinds of stuff. Anyway, pretty awesome. Customized. Give them a call. If you're looking for something else, these are just a few. Two that I saw in there that are ready to go. They've got a bunch. So, give them a call. It's 435-865-0100. And, they'll ship anywhere. Maybe even outside the lower 48. Who knows? Colton's up for a challenge. So, if you're in the market, I mean, support somebody who supports us.

I like it. All right. Okay, fellas. Here we go. Josh. Question reader guy. We're on, like, part two of the question and answer section. Should we grind into this and see how far we get? Yeah. I'll bet we can make it at least one page.

All right. Got, like, five to go. Here's the first question. Comes from Colton Gilbert. He says, here's my question for the podcast. I'm going on my first guided hunt for doll sheep here in August. So, question is, how do I make sure that I am a good client? In other words, how do I be guideable? If that is a word. Most guys hunt for themselves and by themselves or with friends and develop strategies and ways they like to hunt. How do I make sure I help my guide help me? Thank you for what you guys do. Lots of good info. Right on. Okay. I think this is a great question. It's not like, hey, what can you do for me, outfitter or guide? What, you know, I had a bad experience. I don't get it. What, or a good experience or whatever. And we put a lot of emphasis on, is the guide prepared? Does he have good gear? Is he, has he scouted? What's the food like? What's this? What's this?

But it's nice to have a little self-reflection. Even though I'm paying for this, what makes me a good client? Like, how can I be ready? What, you know, what can make me guideable? Like, I mean, humility comes to mind. A lot of guys are like, my way or no way. I'm paying you. We're going to do it my way. Well, you could consider the fact that you're paying him because you need him. You need his expertise. Maybe he has a little more experience than you do in this particular area. And I've guided guys back in the day, not anymore, but back in the day, where it's hard when you don't have a, quote, guideable client. It feels like there's a competition between the guide and the client, and the client's got to prove to you that he's not just a dumb client. So there's a little bit of that. Nobody wants to be that guy. But also having enough humility to say, I hired this guy for a reason.

I'm going to kind of go with him. Although it's okay to flesh it out at your hunt. You want to maybe have some input on a stock or whatever. And because you've hunted, you have valid input. But what makes me guideable as a client? I think that's a great question. Yeah, and along with the humility thing there, like know your capabilities. You know, be honest with the guide with your capabilities. You pull a gun out. Yeah, it might click up to 1,000 yards. But what are you comfortable shooting at? Where have you been? Same with archery. What is your confident range? Let your guide know so they're not stretching your abilities or taking you out of your comfort zone to make the shot of a lifetime. Well, I think when you get two guys together, a client and guide, sometimes the client wants to prove that they're fully capable.

And so they don't talk about, hey, by the way, I've been known to get some buck fever. So when they hit a battle, like go ahead and, you know, yell out the range or tell me the range. Make sure I'm very conscious of the range. Make sure I dial it correctly maybe. This is my gun. This is how it works. This is how I have it set up. In fact, here's my range finder with the load in it. Feel free to grab that and help me out. And maybe reset me. If you know I'm going to shoot through grass, you know, and you see that, like don't be intimidated to reset me, like, hey, this isn't good. You're going to hit the rock in front of you or whatever. Like sometimes guys just don't say that. Like, hey, I'm known as O2 Shot Sam. The first shot's usually in the air, so just talk me through this one. You know what I mean? Like it's okay to say that. You know what I mean?

On a sheep hunt like that, I'd say be in shape. Know what you're getting yourself into. Research. Maybe talk to other sheep hunters. Guys that have been up there. Those mountains are a lot different than what we deal with in the lower 48 a lot of the time. And not used to backpacking like that. So just prepare yourself. Make sure you're in shape. Don't put it off until one month before. It takes longer than a month. Yes, most definitely. You know. And we're looking at the same thing. We are going on guided hunts at times in Alaska or Canada. What makes us a good client? We deal with the same question. Am I going to at least do my part so I'm not sucking wind on this poor guy that's trying to make sure my hunt's a success and make sure I'm happy as a client? You guys talk about honesty, you know, just and communication, but also honesty before the hunt.

I've done two-on-one hunts where people that know each other, when you fill out your health form and say what, on a scale of 1 to 10, what shape you're in, both of them are a 7, but one guy can't go 50 yards. Right. So, you know, that just, that's just going to limit you, and it just affects everything. But I like guides to stay positive during the hunt. Like, if you miss something, it's okay. You know, like, you can't day two of a six-day hunt you miss and you're just down in the dumps. Like, it's not fun. That's not fun to be somebody who's just, you know, kind of pessimistic, I guess. Well, I think if you keep the energy up and you're a positive thinker as a client, your guide wants to work harder. Trust me, there's nobody that wants you to be successful quicker and have a better hunt than your guide. Quicker means he can go help somebody else or whatever,

and he's done his job and the pressure's off. He wants you to be successful, but he also wants you to be successful on what you want. And so some guys will say, I want a 290-inch deer. I want a 190-inch deer. And then the first 170, hey, what do you think? What do you think? You know, and so just be realistic on what your goals are too, you know, with yourself and your guide and help them. Help them understand. And talk about it before the heat of the moment, you know. And, like, I always like to tell my clients, like, if I tell you, like, kill that buck right now, there's no question. You know what I mean? Like, trust me. Yeah. And because that doesn't happen, like we know, that doesn't happen every time. But if it does, and it has to be quick, like, just trust me. Nothing's more frustrating than having a little argument when it's time to be pulling the trigger. Yeah.

You know, but then as a guide, you're like, well, maybe I am. Maybe you start to question yourself. Okay, he's not thinking it's big enough, and I do think it is, but maybe I'm missing something. And then now your guide's questioning, and then pretty soon he's intimidated to tell you what he really thinks of the deer or elk or sheep or whatever, you know. So nobody wants to be the blame guy, you know. And if there's mistakes made, okay, there's a mistake made. There's some, in the heat of battle, it's hard to have perfect communication. You know what I mean? The guide's got his way and style of, and he loses it. You know, he gets excited, and, hey, get your gun out. Do this, do this. You bipod your bullets, your whatever. And then the client, he has his way of whatever happens when he gets excited. He loses his mind a whole different way.

And so you've got to figure out how to work together, even though you've never really hunted together, you know. That's a challenge. Like for a client, just ask questions. It's okay to ask questions. I like sharing knowledge with clients. Like Devin, what are we doing at Mickey D's getting breakfast after daylight? Yeah, there you go. You know what I mean? We've got to run back to McDonald's. Can you tell me what, well, what happens is I don't see any game until 8 o'clock. You know, I don't know. No, explain yourself. I'm just teasing. That never happens with Devin. But just saying a for instance. He's kind of a gray light sausage McMuffin kind of guy. You like the sausage McMuffin? They don't know until 730. How about the McGriddles? Do they even make the McGriddle? I don't know. Those are like 4,000 calories. Oh, yeah. You got, yeah. I bet they're there.

I didn't know where that was coming from, but I hit McDonald's a lot last fall one time. Did you? Yeah.

There's some McDonald's that are overloaded with clients, especially guided clients. But, hey, you know, sometimes that's the best breakfast place in town. If they only open at 6, they only open at 6. That was another one I had thought of was if you're going to ride around in a guy's truck for five, six days, like, try to disrespect it. You know? Okay. You don't need all your McDonald's wrappers tucked in the door under the seat. So even though we've had a war zone with the mice and they've ate off the brake pedal, we still want to make sure you respect. You should go see how clean it is right now. Is it clean? Oh, yeah. I bombed that thing last night. Lysol wipes. Blue light. Blue light.

Is the blood and guts cleaned up? Yeah, it's gone. But anyways, yeah. Like, respect people's equipment. Yeah. You know, I've had that happen. You mean spitting seeds on the floor? Yeah. It just does that stuff like that? A little bit? Mostly just spilled stuff and just garbage. Coffee. Yeah. Well, I like that because you don't want your guide on edge, again. Not that we have to tiptoe around the guides, but it just seems natural. Just a general respect for, yeah, you're paying for it. Yeah, you kind of can look at it as you're renting that vehicle and you're renting all the equipment and whatnot. You can look at it like that, but it's just hard from a guide's perspective to have somebody disrespect anything. Just have respect and be courteous and kind, I guess. Josh, you've got some of these higher end or been around them. What? Yeah.

Some of these, you know, a higher end type clientele that are, you know, paying the big bucks for big deer. And you've probably felt the pressure in camp and the pressure in and around guides and clients and whatnot. What can you add to what we got going? Yeah, I think that's just it. Be, I guess, be cognizant to everything that's happening. You know, there's a lot of stuff as a client that there's a lot of stuff that happens behind the scenes that you don't even know about that's going on. Yeah. That goes into your hunt. And communication between spotters and guides and all that kind of stuff as well as what most of the time if you go back and lay down for a nap, odds are your guide or your spotter aren't. They're continuing to work even throughout the day. Sometimes when it's these long days in August, it just happens and you do.

But if you happen to not see your guide for a little bit while you're back at camp having a nap or just remember, you know, he is still working and working hard. And just, I guess, accept that and know that there is a lot going into the hunt more than just a few hours of the morning or evening in a truck or on a hike or something like that. Okay. Anything else? Well, I don't know anybody that goes DIY where everything goes 100% perfect every time. And then you go on a guided hunt and you expect everything to go perfect every time. It's still hunting. It's a good point. You know, so keep that mindset of it's okay if it's not perfect all the time. But for this guy, just to be self-aware enough to ask this question, he's going to be fine. Yeah. He's got a good attitude. Like, you've got a great attitude.

I would have one more thing is, you know, don't call your guide every week for six months building up to the hunt. You know, it's okay to call and communicate with the outfitter and the guide. But to micromanage his scouting or. Yeah. Just like, because you're not the only, probably not the only client that guide or outfitter has. And they don't have time to talk every day to. Yeah. Who knows how many clients. I just. And going with that, kind of understand that they will be off the radar. I mean, from time to time, it's, it might take four or five days for a guy to get back to you just because he is on a scouting trip. Or he is. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes. There should be some communication, but you don't have to, like, I don't know. I feel like sometimes you can overdo it. Yeah.

With the cell phone era, it's like, you know, like you said, like, and Devin, like, people expect an immediate text back or an email or, or to answer your phone. And, and, you know, and sometimes scouting just isn't going great. And sometimes it's just, we're grinding through and it kind of sucks for a minute. It's hot. It's dry. Whatever. And it, and, you know, you don't want to give somebody a bad report and you just want to work for a minute. Just let me, just let me grind through this and we're going to be ready when you get here. So. All right. Okay. Question reader guy. Wait, wait, let's, let's add just one other thing to that. Be a good tipper. All right. Don't be cheap. Yeah. These guys, you gotta, you gotta think, you know, they're doing it to make a living. I'm never going to go again. I'm never going to see this kid again. It doesn't matter. I really need to tip him.

This is why he's doing it is to make a living for his family. Yeah. And, and they're not like if you're, if it's a guy working for an outfitter, a lot of times, I mean, they're not making tons and tons of money. They're doing it. A lot of it's because they love it. They really added it up. Yeah. The wear and tear on their vehicle. Yeah. And the fuel, obviously we'll have to talk about that, you know, and, and the optics and everything that goes into it all. You know, that you're going broke. You can go broke pretty easy as a guy. So be generous. Okay. If you got, if you can afford a guide, then you can afford a good tip. Yeah. If you can't afford a guide, don't hire one. Yeah. Don't go. All right. Okay. All right. This next question comes from, apologize. I do not know your name. I tried to search you and track you down on Instagram.

Well, if you had given it to Wyatt, he'd have figured it out. That's true. There's nothing Wyatt can't find or figure out. He'd have figured a signal on it. That's true. Wyatt would have Facebooked him. He would have been on MySpace.

That was before Wyatt was born. He would have snapped it out.

I could have, I could have just DMed the guy, but I kind of like his name on Instagram. So we're going to go with it. SmokeWagon86. He asked, do you guys feel that there should be some sort of regulation on cost of a landowner vouchers? Maybe standardized prices based on hunt quality. Any other ideas? Maybe you disagree, period. I understand the tags value is whatever you think it is, but I believe people are beginning to take advantage of pricing things through the roof. Just feel like it's spinning out of control. Thanks, guys. And I, yeah, I mean, I look at it and say, no, there's no way to regulate this ever. It's like regulating the price of a truck. It's a free market. I think an $80,000 diesel is not worth it. Yeah. But I wish it was regulated and they were only $40,000, you know? But they, and I think you see it, they go up and they go down.

As well as, I mean, you don't realize a lot of these guys, a lot of these guys are getting tags for compensation for damages or things like that. And you don't know what their damages are. You know, you, you just don't know. And so they're trying to compensate for damages from wildlife. So, yeah, that's hard. That's enough. So who is it? It's my tag and I get to decide who gets it. Like who, who, who, you know, who out there can tell me what to do with my tag? Like it's, you know, in some states regulate it. You can't sell these. You can only give them to blood relatives or a ranch manager. You can only, you know, use them yourself or immediate family members, you know, like one generation, like immediate family members. But, you know, and, and we have our opinions on that. You know, you want landowners to want wildlife. You want them to be happy.

You want them to be compensated for any damage or abuse or, or make it to where they smile when they have something on their property instead of, you know, go through it grudgingly. But, but anyway, I would just say we're our own worst enemy on this as inflation's through the roof, you know, people are also getting paid a little bit more and they have a little, you know, and then vouchers are going to go up too. Like everything kind of goes up in life and it's just unfortunate. There's tags we used to buy for pennies on the dollar compared to now. And it just is what it is. It's a, it's a, this is, it's private business. Landowner vouchers that are sellable is a, is a private business. And, and. It's a supply and demand situation. Well, it is so many of them. In theory, the only, the only organization that could regulate this is government.

And you throw that in and all they can do is mess it up. I love John's stance on, on government and your life. It's true. What are they going to do? John hates HOAs. John, you are an HOA president. I'm the HOA president. How's that going? Oh, yeah. How's that going for you? How'd you get that job? Um, well, all right. So we've got a condo, right? And, uh, it's got a pool. And this is the main house, right? It's not like, here's not like your third home. So we're building the house. We're almost ready to get into it, but we're in a condo and there are like five or six old women who are just like, they want to fill the pool in with dirt. Like it's, it's because they hate the kids having fun. Yes. Frolicking. It's like complaining all the time. And my wife's like, fun haters. If you're not the president, then like, they're going to go sideways. They're going to go do away with the pool.

So anyway, I'm like, all right, I can do it. So I did it. And yeah. How much do they pay it? Oh, it's free. I know. Definitely not worth it. It's definitely not worth it. So I can just see you walking around with your clipboard checking. Those are marigolds. Those aren't supposed to be planted here. So to go with, you got pink blinds. Yeah. Kind of my government attitude. Well, there's, I let a lot of stuff go. Hello. My name is John and I'm here to help you. What's your complaint? What did they call it? What's your nickname? This is my favorite. Oh, geez. This is my favorite. So, yeah. So the worst was we were having once a month HOA meetings and is just a complain fest. So that doesn't have to be edited, but it was just horrible. So like an hour and a half of just hell.

So I researched and figured out in the CCNRs, we only had to have one meeting a year.

So, I mean, this is like a big social thing for these retired people. Yeah. You know, to come and complain once a week, once a year, once a month. So I changed it. And you, you would have thought like the world was ending. And one is like, King John is going to decide for us all how much we're going to pay. King John. So I, anyway. Anyway. Forevermore, it's King John, everybody. You call it. So, yeah. That's a tangent, but I, yeah. It kind of goes along with. It goes along with the government. Right. So, anyway. Got to have a little government out there, by the way. Can't just, can't just be doing whatever, whenever. That doesn't work either. But you add too much of this. Definitely overreach. In a perfect world, if it's regulated and, yeah, it was based on value and how good it was. That'd be great. But I guarantee you, you get them controlling everything.

It's going to, it's going to make it worse. I love it. I love some of those stories. Okay. Where are we at? Here we go. Next one. This question comes from Cesar Castillo. He says, what's up, guys? I have a question that I need some expert insight on, much like yourselves. Laugh out loud. He says, so I have a good, good thing going in New Mexico for elk hunting. They had that huge fire in April that just got put out a month or more ago. It's very thick in this area. Well, the fire opened up a lot of vegetation that it burned so quick that it jumped here and there. Well, for the last two weeks and going forward, they are getting dumped on by rain. I figured elk hunting would be no bueno for the next two to three years. My question is, can it be good hunting as soon as the fire? I think it can be incredible hunting this year. Oh, yeah.

Remember that big old fire over there by Springerville and all that country? Remember when it burned? The elk were standing in the black timber. I was just going to say, we killed a bull in Nevada once. I drove up the road and got special permission from the Forest Service. I thought you went around the side, didn't you? No, I talked to them and they let me go. And it's dark. I'm driving up there and it's like flames. It was like in a pocket lifting. There was trees lit lighting on fire next to me and we killed that thing. In the black. Somebody, whoever let you go in there. I can't remember her name, but she was in that truck down there. She said yes. I gave her a PB&J and off I went. I called an office in Reno. They said it was good. They said I was good to go. There's a paper trail. It was lit. We waited for three days, but it was. And you smashed?

I thought it was like totally put out until I went up in the dark. That's the best way to have the place to yourself. Did you ever see another hunter? No. Nobody else was in there. We killed the bull the first day we could get up there. But it was an absolute pure black nothing. But it was, like he said, skipped around a little bit. There was feet, but they like that. Kind of a mosaic. They like that. Yeah, they love it. They'll roll around in it. I've heard it kills ticks. Somebody told me that. The ticks don't like the ash. Maybe. I'm talking rolling around in it. Well, a lot of it, you just look at it and you go, how are you? This is a mosaic question, a mosaic pattern burn. And that gives still a lot of feed, but there's some of this that's been pure black. It's like the elk don't know where else to go. Like, I've always been here.

I can't believe I can see out of this thick forest now. But they're standing there. And you don't wonder what they're eating, but they're fine. Yeah. They're fine. It seems to come back pretty quick, too. You get a few good rains late in the year. It seems like you've got that fresh green. Fresh green comes back pretty fast. Especially if it's in an area where there is grasses. I mean, it's the best thing for it. I mean, how many people do you see this in the springtime go burn their lawn still? You'll see a guy out there with a whatever, burning their grass off. And all of a sudden, it comes back off. And that's a lot of times the trees themselves are going to be burned. But if there's grass there and there was any kind of moisture in the ground at all, all it did was burn all the dead grass off the top. And that's green stuff. Like, days. Days, green grass will start coming in.

Within days. Yep. Same thing. There are some places, like the Kaibab, it still kind of looks. Oh, yeah. There's a place where it gets. It kind of is like, ah. You know, it's kind of gross. Yeah. It burns so hot. Temperature of fire probably has to play into that a bit. And then the rain's after. And then if there's a reseed program or, you know. Obviously, it's kind of nice to have some stuff with a little maybe dryland alfalfa mixed in and a few things that grow big deer. Brutus was a product of freaking amazing, you know, a reseed that had an amazing, you know, combination of food. You know what I mean? It came back and it was incredible. And I swear that's why there's big deer, you know, if they get older. And Utah. Utah has a, I can't speak to New Mexico, I'm not sure. But Utah has a phenomenal program to where they have a lot of money that's set aside. That's one of the big things.

As soon as there's a fire going, they're already in the plan of getting it rehabbed and working up a seed mixture and all that stuff. And it'll get reseeded this fall, this winter, you know, and be ready for next spring. So, obviously, that stuff they're reseeding won't be growing until next spring, summer. But they're pretty aggressive with that stuff. So, don't let it change your plans too much. Check the new burn. I guess that's the end of the story. And then next year it's going to be incredible. Year three. You might be overgrown with saplings or something. You won't be able to see anything. So, anyway. Okay. All right. Question reader guy. Here we go. All right. This question comes from Dodger Seavers. He says, is it worth my time and money to start gaining points for moose in Wyoming or will I croak of old age before I draw?

Well, that's a tough question because now we're looking at potential change in the system. And where maybe these will be more like a bonus point where you get more names in the hat. And so, it's anybody's guess how the future is going to play out and whatnot. We haven't been – I personally have not been gaining points from moose. I don't think it's worth it. Yeah. With our current program, no. But with the changes that might be coming in the future, yes, is what I would say. Yeah, yeah. But having said that, at $150 a piece, I mean, you kind of got to decide how – if it really does make sense for you or not and how important a moose in Wyoming is to you. So, that's a tough question. We get those questions all the time and it's hard to make that decision for a guy.

Some of it, I think, just boils down to if it's something that you can financially do and it's not affecting you that way, you don't know what management's going to be in 10 years and you might think it was the best decision you ever made. Yeah. Or in 20 years you think I've been a waste of money for 20 years. It's hard to know and if you can financially do it, I'd say it's probably worth it in a way. Yeah. If it's a species that you really want to kill or in a state you really want to hunt, then it would be worth it to you. I wish I wouldn't have opted out of the program years ago. I'd probably have a sheep tag and a moose tag by now. Yeah. But I did and then now I'm, you know, sheepless in Wyoming. So, anyway. All right. Anything else to add there? No? You guys – anybody here gaining points for – It all depends on how old he is, but – I did the moose thing in Alaska.

I'm not a guy that needs multiple species of moose. You're the moose man. You're okay not to have a Shiraz. Shiraz, yep. You're okay not to have a Shiraz. Well, and Devin, how do you feel? You want to – Well, when I was 13, I chose to apply for moose in Utah with my one once-in-a-lifetime thing. So, I don't need one Wyoming moose. You're good. You're going to get one. Right? How many points do you have? Not enough. Yeah. It's the same thing, but it's cheaper. Which is a shame because you come in here early in the mornings when Devin's just in here by himself and you can hear him in there working on his moose calls. He does? Yeah. He's getting ready. Like, he's going to take those once-in-a-lifetime points and he's going to use them. Devin, do you think those are moose calls?

Devin, from your perspective, what are those noises? Do you believe anything he says? Not one thing. I listen to morning moose calls for 11 days straight. All day long. That is true. Make one. How'd you guys, what'd you guys do in Alaska? Go ahead. Why wouldn't do it? I wouldn't do it. I had to do it. Devin was the caller. I was the raker. Yeah, he became the raker. So, make it, do it. Call a moose right now. I'm not doing it on the podcast. Why? I have to wiggle my nose. It's very, it's very, it's not like you just sit here and do it. You've got to shake. You've got to get into it. Yeah. Jeez. Gotta be a moose. He was good at it. We tested our skills before we went and he was a lot better. Well, good. Well, we'll ask the first, this is kind of a two-part question. And the second part could be really serious with breaking news that just came out. What do you mean? But we'll get there.

John Boer asks, if you had a choice of a 200 plus mule deer, excuse me, or a 400 plus elk, what would you choose? Where are you going with what you were saying? You'll get there. You'll get to it. Oh. All right. So, 200 inch deer, 400 plus inch bull. One of y'all.

I think a 400 inch bull is really hard to come by. I was thinking the same thing. Go get a tag, first off, that has a 400 inch potential. Just go get one. You hardly can. And then to make good on it. You know, how many 400 inch bulls are killed or were killed last year in Nevada? 400 inch or, you know. And then you look at, you know. And so, yeah, people say that a mule deer is the hardest thing. And they're dang hard. Maybe they are. Maybe a bookhead. We're talking 375 net elk or a 190 net mule deer, right? For typical versus typical. So, you know, maybe. But having, even at that, go kill a book bull. Net 375. You're going to have to net. I mean, you're going to have to be gross in the high 380s, 390. You know, a 12 inch deduction or a 15 inch deduction is pretty tight. Actually, pretty darn symmetrical on a bull, you know, with all the different measurements.

And so, I just think it's extremely tough to find and kill and put a 400 inch or on the wall. I have yet to do it. So, are you picking elk? I don't know why. There has to be a choice here. This could shock the world right here. Are you going to pick elk? No, you guys shocked the world with the truck chasers already. Well, I'm pretty sure you have a couple 200s. I think the elk are extremely hard. Well, you think of how many 200 inch deer killed. 200 plus versus 400 plus elk in a year's time. Yeah, less. In the western United States. Less elk. Right? Much less. And this is when I was a kid and I was like heck bent on getting on the board with a 200 incher. And I was, didn't have any money. No money at all. Newlywed. No, nothing. Had nothing but time. I had some time. I just thought you can make a 200 inch happen on a general season tag. You can, on a tag you can get somewhat regular.

You want a 200 incher in Idaho, you can do a general season tag. And if you have enough time and you put a few years into it, maybe it's 10 years, maybe it's 15. And you, that is your only goal and you grind it like it's, like it needs to be ground out. I think you can make it happen. I don't think you can say that for elk. You know? You guys are silent. I agree with you 100%. We're not shocking the world here. Well, just kind of the mule deer guy picking elk right here. I'm picking elk, but how many elk tags do I have right now? That's true. And how many deer tags do I have? Like, I'm not necessarily saying I'm picking elk, but I think if it's time. Thanks, Wyatt. But I think when it's time, I think when it's time to do that, it's like whitetail. I want a 200 inch whitetail. Like, so bad my teeth ache. But not bad enough to give up all my deer tags.

If I wanted a 200 inch whitetail and I was serious about it, I would slate a Kansas, Iowa, Wisconsin, whatever. You know, whatever I could do. Figure out something in Ohio. Whatever. And I would try all I could do to make it happen and I'd have to do it for 10 years in a row. And that probably still won't happen. Lee Lukoski. I mean, those guys. How many years and deer had he killed before, you know, made it happen? Like, it's still something you can't do, but you have to put a lot more time in than I am. I'm not doing a single whitetail hunt. You know what I mean? You have to put a lot more energy than just thinking about it. You have to give up what you're currently serious about. You know what I mean? Sheep hunters want a 400 inch bull. You're going to kind of probably have to give up Alaska and Canada or whatever else you're doing and just say, no, I'm how serious am I?

I'm going to show you how serious I am. And I think that's kind of that's similar to elk. I don't know. What's your what do you guys think?

If I had to choose, you know, elk, I think that would be awesome. But I'd have to go with mule deer. Just mule deer guy. So but you're also got pictures of a bull you killed last year that looks 400. He does. Yeah, takes a good photo. So you're like kind of quenched your thirst for it. Maybe. I don't know. Devin? Maybe elk. Elk? I love big deer. But like. Like you said, a 400 is not just going to come from a general unit. You're not going to go grind one out somewhere in a lot of units. It's very. They just they're just rare. And maybe it's 220 deer. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You might have to change that to 220. What is the equivalent? 220 deer to a 400 inch elk. Now you're talking. Kind of deal. Now that changes things. It does. Where you at? Oh, yeah. 220 over 400. That'd be a tough one. Does he have eye guards? Does he have mass?

Does he have triple eye guards, 35 wide and pipe mass? Well, 220 with no eye guards is going to be giant. Or a 400 inch six point. Yeah. I want to kill a 400 inch net six. Yeah. But not bad enough to give up everything else I'm doing or I'd be doing it. That's what I think when I kind of put that into perspective. You've got to give up what you're currently taking. What's your time? And what's sucking your time right now? You have to give that up and go do it. You know? Yeah. Josh? Well, I think, too. Of course, you've killed some stuff. Well, I guess that's somewhat of a luxury, I guess, of that question. But I don't. I'd probably take the deer. I don't know.

It's not just a 200 inch deer. You're talking 220 plus. How's the lump lump doing? I don't know. Don't know. Can you not find him? No. No. Does it bother you? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I think I'd take the deer. I don't know. But like you were saying, though, right now, if you think about it, I think if you said, okay, I want to kill a 200 inch deer this year or a 400 inch bull, where do you go that you could do the elk? You know, I feel like it's not like there's a million 200 inch deer out there. But to really sit down and say, this is my chance to kill, or this is where I'm going to kill a 400 inch bull. I don't. Honestly, I can't think even our best units in Utah or whatever, anything. I can't think of a place to say that's where I'll go do it. It's tough. Beaver. Beaver, Utah. Yeah. There's probably one. 70K. 100K. 200K. 200K.

I still don't think you can buy yourself a 400 inch bull. A low fence 400 inch bull. A low fence 400 inch bull. That's hard. Without a guv tag. Even a guv tag sometimes. Yeah. It could be. Hunting some guv tags. I've had some super tough years finding a bull. Yeah. Okay. Wyatt has spoken, and I think that's right. I think you're dead on with that statement. All right. The second part of this question, we may need to start off with a moment of silence for our president. Just kind of dealing with some stuff right now. Bicycle falls? You don't know this? You don't know this? What? Tell him, Josh. President Biden just tested positive for COVID. Oh. Even with all the amount of vaccines and serum and whatever. We're supposed to pray for our leaders. I know. That's true. I think we should. That's why I asked for a moment of silence. That was kind of for Jana's sake.

There's only one person that can help him. And that's the man himself. So keep going. Yeah. The question is, what is... This is just a question for you, so none of us have to answer. No, you're going to answer. What is Jason's choice for sitting president for 2024? Joe Biden or Kamala Harris? Those are the only two choices. Is it Kamala? Kamala. I don't know. Kamala. What is it? Huh? Only two choices? The only two choices? Come on. How about I abstain from voting? I mean, I just think... As big of an idiot as I think Joe is, I think he's actually a kind person. Okay? So there you go. I've said a positive about him. I think he appears for me, from what I've seen, he's a kind person. He's just, we're all subject to our environment. And he has a bunch of evil people surrounding him. He knows... He is not one...

Feels like not one good, positive person with a brain in their head giving him good advice. You know what I mean? I think he... I think he... I think he... In generally speaking, seems like a nice person. But he doesn't... He's not... Doesn't... Obviously doesn't have the wherewithal to... To... For the job. And he's surrounded by evil. So I think that's... I think that's the problem. I think... Miss Harris?

I mean... I think she's... I don't think she's a good person. Yeah. I can't. And I think she's smart enough to wreck the place. And she's not going to listen to anybody. Except for the evil around her. And so I guess I feel a little bit more nervous with her than with Joe. But Joe's making some... He's signing stuff that's put in front of him that he shouldn't be signing. And so he's not doing a good job. And we all know this, right? So I guess you'd have to say Joe, but come on. You know? Really? Really? No. I don't think that's a fair question for a hunting podcast. So with that said, Josh, I want every one of your answers where we can't go forward. Oh, take Joe over her. Okay. He's a lover of people. Women, children. Come on. He's a nice guy. Smells. Yeah, smells. I'm going to agree as well. Why? That's as far as you're going political? That's all you're getting out of me.

I'm going to agree as well. So, Devin, you don't get that luxury. I think you nailed it, man. I 100% agree with you. Do you? I really do. I couldn't have said it better myself. Okay. So I'm not off base. I don't know. There's just something. I've never met her in person. Well, and what's interesting... But it's like... Women in general... Women in general, I think, are kind. You know, guys, I think sometimes we're bullheaded and whatnot. But I think to deal with other nation's leaders and whatnot... I'm not saying women are a bad choice for president. There's some... I mean, there's some great women leaders out there that make a good president. And they do a great job. But sometimes these other countries, to me, you know, there's just maybe a little bit of a different respect. You know, man to man or whatever it is. But back in the Ice Age, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So on top of that, but with her, women are generally not evil maybe as much. I don't know. I don't know. But you get a bad one, they're worse than an evil dude. You get a bad one, you can't fix them. Tell me I'm wrong. But they're bad. They're bad. Do we need to edit this? Okay. Next question. Next question. All right. Keep going. Let's move on. Question reader guy. John at 46 minutes and 20 seconds. Let's look at that. All right. Tanner John says, what regulations would you guys like to see added or taken away in Utah in the next five years? And how would they impact deer herds? Examples, no scopes, trail cameras, no orange, et cetera. Thanks. I'm going to let you guys. I think we kind of already touched this on the first page, didn't we? Yeah. We talked about long range rifles. We talked about social media. Yeah, we did. So if you want to move on. I don't like change.

I have a hard time with change in a lot of aspects, but. I'm the same way. Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes I think when we've changed a bit here in Utah, we now have a trail cam season. You can use them right now, but we have a season. They're exploring the muzzleloaders and maybe one power scope or no scopes on muzzleloaders, right? To make them more of a primitive weapon. I agree with that. I think it should be. And guys that are really muzzleloader hunters, maybe their drawing odds will increase a bit. And we're really putting guys that value muzzleloader hunting or want to kill something with a muzzleloader. Instead of just putting rifle hunters on muzzleloaders because of the season dates. Things like that. I think that's a good change. Having said that, sometimes we're looking for change when there doesn't really need to be any change. You don't want to force it.

I feel like some things are forced. This COVID environment, everybody's so ticked off. We got drought. Everybody's frustrated. And so we're knee-jerk reaction to all the change. I think there's no baiting. I personally think that was a positive change. The trail camera season, I freaking love cameras. And that's hard. But I think it's okay. I don't think it's the end of the world. Somewhat in favor of it.

From here on out, I personally think, you know, let the dust clear. Let's see where we're at. I think maybe address the muzzleloaders and call it a day. We've got seasons. We've got hours. We've got hunting hours. That's all under control. It's hard to regulate a rifle. I think the one thing we could do is regulate the season. If you think the rifle hunters are taking too much, the percent kill is too high. Or if it is too high, they've got to reduce tags to reduce the take. And you don't want to reduce the tags? Then reduce the length of the season and do something like New Mexico five days. Because there's things you can do with a rifle hunt. And maybe you would still allow for a longer archery season or a longer muzzleloader season if it was truly a primitive weapon. But, you know, sometimes we're just, we're always thinking everything needs to change every single year.

And we're just, you know, and we are all angry. There's less trophies out there. There's less animals on the landscape. There's wild horses that are uncontrolled. And there's cattlemen that are angry. And there's just a lot of anger out there. But we have changed a few things. And I think it's okay to not change for a minute, personally, anything more. It's kind of hard when you start changing things. Where do you draw the line, though, too? Yeah. For example, let's expound upon that just a little bit. So, example, you're going to take away your muzzleloader guys. Now your muzzleloader guys are going to want your archery hunters limited. Yeah. Where does it end? Yeah, where does it end? You've got digital sight. You've got electronic, all kinds of, the range finding. And the electronic sights on bows.

And pretty soon you're regulated to death, back to John's point of, you know, government overreach. But there is a fine balance of, do you want some animals left? Or do you want just 10 tags? Because we know all 10 are going to be successful. And hunting's gone away from hunting. Do you even feel, here's an example of the hunting world change. Do you guys even feel worried about ever being lost? Ever?

No. Not anymore. Ever. Ever. Never. Right? When you were a kid, did you feel like you were worried about being lost? All the time. Did you look about the mountains around you? Did you think about where the trucks parked? Oh, I remember, like, when my dad's in the road drawing a map on the dirt on the road. It'd be like, scratch the way. Okay, now this ridge goes like this. I'm going to walk down this ridge. This ridge runs like this. And you're going to, and he's sitting there drawing this map. And you need to go. And I'm like, I'm 12 years old. And I've got to walk up and find this ridge in the dirt. And walk down this ridge. And oh, I'm terrified. Terrified. That's the way I felt. We were in Oregon in the Winoha. And it was super thick. Gnarly thick. And it was the first Garmin range finder that came out. It was, you know, mid to late 90s. That big old clustery thing. Excuse me.

Garmin GPS. I don't know why I said it. It was just on my mind. But anyway, GPS unit. And it kind of half worked. And it was trouble seeing the satellites. And then the little satellite bars and different things. And anyway, and we trusted. We were basically lost. And you feel like you're walking in a circle in a thick forest in the dark. Pitch dark. And then all of a sudden out come. And there's the truck shining in the moon. In the starlight, you know. And that was the first real experience with GPS that I had. But it kind of changed. This whole phone thing. It's not even GPS anymore, really. The phones have changed life. You know, life. You want to know where your kid is? Find my phone app. And there's my kid, you know. And my kids are out and about. And going crazy places. And other states by themselves at 16 to 18.

And with the cell phones and the abilities now, I feel less anxious about it. Whereas when I was a kid, you better freaking know how to walk. You know. You better know how to change your tire on your arm. And the trucks weren't as capable as they are now. Like we were driving old garbage. You know. Anyway, I just feel like that's an example of where we've come. Like there's no. There isn't. None of. All that's gone. All that's gone. Wondering where your bullet's going to hit. Or how far that animal is. All that's gone. There are a lot of these things. And that's what I think people are worried about is. Is it even hunting anymore? You know. Is it even hunting anymore? And I can sympathize with that. I feel like I wonder that myself. You know. Tactics and technology. So these are valid questions. Just. It kind of. We're in the 21st century. Right? I think the thing too to remember.

We forget. We're kind of going to the phone. We're kind of an instant gratification society now. We. If you think. Oh, I wonder if there's bullets on this. Or I wonder how much that costs. Within seconds you can be looking. Let's see. What price of bullets costs somewhere. Everything is so instant. And so fast. Change. Change is something that. Takes time. Yeah. You know. I think about when we were running these. These collar studies on deer. You put a GPS collar on a deer. And you'd run it and say. One year. You'd say. Okay. That's what these deer are doing. And then. The second year. They do something. There could be an outwire. Something totally different changes. Or something. There's different things that happen. So honestly. When we change something. Something like baiting. Trail cameras. Things like that. We probably need to wait a few years. Before we start hammering.

Something else. Let's see what that does. Maybe that gets the results we need. But we're not that way. Okay. Now we got that done. Let's get this done. Let's keep going. And just keep going. And going. And going. And then. In the turn. We'll never really know. Maybe what the best factor was. Yeah. Yep. I think you're 100% right Josh. 100% right Josh. In the fact that. Let the dust clear on some of these things. And let's move forward. Sometimes. There was a span of time. When there was no change at all. For 15 years. It felt like. Or 20 years. And then. The rules. Laws. And whatever. Didn't keep up with technology and tactics. The changing of technology and tactics. And tactics. And so. You know. I think some of that's been addressed. In some of these states. And the states have proven. That they're not above. Adjusting a few things. Well. And it's. And it's.

Bothering a lot of people too. Yeah. And maybe sometimes. Those decisions that are made. Maybe they're not the best thing. Because we didn't have scopes on muzzle loaders. When I was a kid. It was open sites. And it moved to red dot stuff. And then we moved into. To scopes. So. There might be some people. Listen to this. That thought scopes have been on muzzle loaders forever. Or whatever. They haven't. It was a decision that was made. You know. 10. 5. 10 years ago. Whatever it was. And that decision was made. Now it's been long enough. Maybe we say. Maybe that wasn't the best decision for deer. For hunters. Maybe it was a good decision. But for the deer. Maybe not. So let's maybe tell that back. I'm not saying it was or it wasn't. But. Something like that. You almost need time. To see if a decision gets made. Whether it's going to benefit. Or do the things you want.

Before you just move on. So just the. The idea of all this. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Everything's on. The ball's rolling now. Let's keep changing. It probably needs to slow down a little bit. Yeah. All right. Okay. Question reader guy. We've got one out from something. Cracked. This is from Cracked Out Attractants. Okay. I didn't know if we were talking about Hunter Biden or what. Okay. So here we go. Follow that up. Maybe Hunter asked this. I don't know. He probably did. So the question for the podcast is. How many guys slash gals feel it's important to run trail cameras. Both for research purposes. Pictures or actual hunting success. Go ahead. I don't know how we would judge how many guys or gals. But we could tell you our opinion on that one. Yeah. Yeah. Do it. I feel like it could go either way. Trail cameras are definitely a useful tool. Keeping track of game.

I don't know how many big animals have actually found because of a trail camera. A lot of it's still done by glassing. And then maybe hanging trail cameras to gain a pattern. Or figure out what that animal is doing. So yeah. They do contribute to success that way. Okay. I like it. For research. Yeah. Absolutely. I'll put cameras on trails to see migration. And like. Yeah. All sorts. I mean. Yeah. I like to know what's going on in December. January. And it's my own little personal research. This isn't for a big project. You know what I mean? I'd run cameras through winter for elk sometimes. I'd leave cameras. I'd put cameras where bulls would winter. Yeah. Just to know what bulls are there. I've got lions on camera in March. Yeah. And I'm thinking they need to be removed. You know what I mean? I'm researching their patterns for a minute. You know. I think there's a.

I think sometimes though. Personally. I just feel like. You know. The guys that love cameras for the purpose of hunting success. Blame it on research. Right. You can't stop research from moving forward. And I. I do feel like there's a little bit of. You know. People that are saying. It's. There's more research than maybe there really is. But I've seen all the. I've seen camera work done on those migrations in Wyoming. It's pretty compelling. Deer after deer after deer after deer on the same trail. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like those are. When you see it. When you actually see it. It's pretty compelling. You know. And I think tells a story. And so I think there's a lot of value there. We got. We got. Trail cameras on the. On the deer overpasses. And deer underpasses. You know. And to see the value of those. In. In a migration. Corridor. And. It's compelling.

Those deer would have otherwise crossed the road. Potentially smashed by a vehicle. Or. Or whatever. And we're seeing. 500. Or a thousand. Or whatever. You know. I. It's kind of like a little ticker. You know. Going into a ball game. Or something. It's. It. You can kind of get a feel. For. For how well they're being used. Or not. And. And things like that. And so. You know. I think there's a lot of research going on. My personal research. Or research from an actual. Research standpoint. And then. You know. We're running them for a reason. Y'all got cameras out. And it's. It's. In hopes of helping your hunting. And. And for. Concentrating your efforts. In particular areas where. A giant might exist. That. That is. There's a reason. People are wound up about. The possibility of. Cameras going away. And it's because they were. They're. They're helpful. They're a tool.

And they're very helpful. So. Yeah. I think if you're. Personally. If you're not running cameras in some way. You should be. Just because. Like Devin said. That was one of. Probably the. One of the best things for me. Is putting a camera out for a year. And keeping it going for a year. If you can. If you can get into it. You can learn so much. Especially after. You know. We had a question about fires. Some of these units that I've hunted. Have a significant fire. And it changes things significantly. For wildlife. And. You might. You might need some extra help. So. I mean. Just having some cameras out in an area. Spreads it out. All of a sudden. Everything's good. Instead of just this chaining. Yeah. And all of a sudden. This whole fire has good feed. Whether it's just a particular deer or not. You learn movements. You learn time frames. Just things like that. That you normally don't.

Or that you may not pay attention to. After we were. You know. We put a lot of cameras up on migration trails. And things. On those deer studies. To where now. I'll be driving along the highway. And I'll be like. That trail wasn't here. All summer long. Or whatever. And you're like. That's weird. There's a defined trail now. Coming off of this hillside. And. And it's in. The springtime. And in the fall. And it goes away. During the summer. And then it comes back. You know. Something to key in your mind. And clue in on it. And say. That's not just a game trail. Coming to water. You know. There's things that you can learn. From stuff like that. So. Use them. If you can. You don't have to. But I'm just saying. For. I think. It'll benefit you. Not to maybe. Kill a particular deer. Whatever. It'll just benefit you as a hunter. Just to learn. Deer habits. Or elk habits. Or whatever.

That's good for the economy. You have to gas up. Yeah. You have to get sandwiches. Yeah. You got to get sandwiches. You got to buy cameras. It's just good. Right? Yeah. Mouse traps. What? Mouse traps.

Sticky traps. New brake pedals. Spent some money down at the car wash and the vacuum. All right. Well. Okay. Are we. Are we. How much more do we got to do? You think? We're good. I think if we finish this. All right. A little bit. We'll be good. Okay. Trevor. Devi. Devi. I apologize for butchering your last name probably. But what are the main benefits of having you guys handle my applications versus doing everything myself aside from cost? So this is another one that kind of goes back to that first question answer podcast. We had one that was very, very similar to that. Okay. Well, I think part of, let's answer it though. I do think that, Wyatt, I told you today. What did I tell you today? I was just going to say. Today was a perfect example. Today was a perfect example. What did I tell you? Personalization is going to be the biggest thing to our service.

I'm trying to think what exactly you told me today. Well, I told you. Jason and I both agree. If I ever have anybody do my personal applications, it's going to be you. I do remember that statement this morning. I heard that. Why? Why did I say it? Because why? Let's talk about the anxiety, Wyatt. He's feeling a little right here. This particular problem he solved today has been like a three-weeker, huh? Yeah, it's been one that's been on my mind for a minute. Yeah, I think there's at times, well, for example, we have, you know, if you're going to get a mentored youth tag in Idaho, the mentor, the parent or whatever, has to have a tag of the same species. And if you don't have one, you've got to get one. Well, right now you can't just go buy one. You have to buy one of the turnbacks, you know. And so I think just go on that next level to make sure your clients have what they need.

And Wyatt's been having anxiety for days, maybe a month. And I think that's what you're talking about, Wyatt's personalization. Is that something we normally do? No, it's not necessarily something we normally do. Is that something that needs to be done and that you actually care about the client and you want to make sure his season's a success? Yes. And I feel like you take it to the next level. You head up that department. Of course, we all work in that department. And you have, you know, good gals that actually do the actual filing that are great at what they do. But, you know, you just take it very, very personal. If a guy needs a, you know, an obscure tag of any sort, it doesn't matter, antlerless or not or whatever it is, an obscure tag of any sort, you know, regardless if it's on what we regularly do or not, you take it and own it as if it's yours and that's your schedule.

And I just think we all do that to a degree. And so do our gals that file the applications. And I just feel like it's that level of service that I personally want. Like I want somebody not just that I'm a number, not just that I did that and check. And by the way, we don't offer that. And good luck to you. I feel like we take it to the next level in that regards. And we treat it as if your schedule is our own personal schedule.

Don't you agree? I would agree with that. I would say I was blown away when I started working here how serious the application season and process is taken here. You know, I've always just done my own and everything. And it's generally at 11 o'clock at night on the day that it's due. Trying to be on top of the pile. Yeah. You and Wyatt both. Yeah. No, mainly because I just, I've got till then or whatever. And I felt like, I don't know, that I was as serious as I probably should have. And coming here, just seeing the checks and double checks and then getting thrown into the mix of actually coding a guy for what this guy's wanting. You know, you read his information and you see what he's wanting. And then personally saying, okay, if I am that guy, this is the tag that I would want to have, you know, based on his criteria. And then coding it.

And treating his application like mine and stressing about it. Yeah. Like I'm seriously stressing about it. Well, you're going to have to answer to that guy. Right. Exactly. And that's where I feel like you guys, like, I was blown away. And I feel like if guys saw that, I would hope they're expecting that that's what they're getting. But I think at the same time, they would probably be blown away how serious we are. It's not just something that we do. It's a serious, serious project. And we take it personal when we're doing these applications as if it's our own. And Wyatt, he does a great job of you. You save people money. Oh, yeah. There'll be guys buying hunting licenses. And I hear you all the time. You know, you're saving people money. And you're telling them, like, for $10, you can throw your name in the hat here. They do it and they draw.

And you get people tags they, on their own, never would have even applied for. Because they didn't truly understand the system. Yeah. So, understanding the system is a huge part of the battle. And you think you understand the system. I know how the point system works. But there's, I know how the basic deadlines, but there's nuances. There's just little things that are like, yeah, but if you did it this way, Montana's a classic. There's so many nuances and variables and options for general deer, general deer and elk, general elk. And then everything that goes with it and when to get a point. And, you know, do I, I don't have any points. I want the best chance to draw this year. Do I play in that point system? Well, if you do, your odds were like 30% last year. If you don't, your odds are like 70%. Like, there's just little things. Every state has a quirk. Yeah. And maybe lots of quirks.

And then to know all of that. And then to know your schedule. And to know the demand of what you really want. And then to wrap that all up and make a decision. I think is very involved. And like you said, Josh, is not taken lightly. We have to answer to that guy or gal. And we want to get that. We want to make all their dreams come true in regards to hunting. That's what we want. That's our goal here. And if you're happy, we have a client for life. And so, anyway. Seems like states are ever-changing, too, with their applications. What's there, what's not. And we're doing a good job of staying on top of that between all of us here at the office. That's right. I think, too, like, say, with Wyatt or treating stuff as our own. Wyatt will talk to a guy, you know, see notes that are taken or things like that.

And I would think most guys would say, well, okay, in Arizona, I want to hunt the strip. Or, you know, they feel like, oh, I just do the strip. Or, gosh, I don't know. I can't do all the research. I'll just do the strip. And it's like this individual, there are several other units that would meet this person's need than the strip. And they're going to get a tag significantly sooner. And so, we get aggressive with it and say, this tag will meet your needs. You know, you need to be applying here. Not just wasting application on a hunt that you may never draw. We're going to get you a tag off of what you're wanting. Yep. Okay. I think we fleshed it out. If you have any questions or you are considering having somebody do your applications or help you in that regard, give us a holler, 435-263-0777. Or you can hit us up on email, wyatt at epicoutdoors.com.

Or any of us by our first names at epicoutdoors.com. And we'll get with you. So, it is scouting season. We want to throw a little shout out to PhoneScope. They make some incredible scope adapters for our cell phones where we can take video. Pretty awesome. I'm using it right now. So, anyway, I've always got the case on here. Of course, it's kind of little logos falling off and a few things because it's on there 24-7. But, anyway, pretty awesome. You snap on the attachment, throw it on your scope or whatever binocular you've got, and you can film away. And so, anyway, great opportunity there. Incredible products, good people. www.Phonescope.com. P-H-O-N-E-S-K-O-P-E.com. And check them out and get the products you need right off their website. Of course, they sell them at any of the major sporting goods stores as well.

That actually goes on really well with our next question. You're diving back in here? All right, here we go. Well, I'm just thinking where it says the next question comes from Broken Stokes.

Bracken, maybe. I don't know if that was a typo. But, anyway, the question comes from Best Tips for Field Judging Mule Deer, particular judging deer off of trail camera pictures. But, field judging, I think, being able to have a phone scope or something like that to take a picture or to get a video to look back on after you're in the moment. But, I had a good friend with me the other night. We were doing some stuff, going to look for deer, jump a couple bucks. Oh, geez, look at that first one. That's a big buck, you know, and they're two bucks running away from you. And we were able to get up the road farther, and they were standing there on the hillside. And looking at both of them, the one that we just off the top of your head, the first one, look at that one. He's got an extra. Look how wide he is big.

And then you get up there, and they're standing next to each other, and you're like, man, that other deer is a bigger deer than he is. The first deer we saw was like a three-year-old deer, maybe, and the other one's like five. And so, he's got like a baby. He's like a baby giant, but his antlers, compared to his body size, it would probably, you'd get up to him and think, whoa, what happened? Whereas the other deer next to him is a five-year-old buck, and you're like, okay, that deer would be significantly larger, even though he doesn't look that big right off the bat. And I think, too, on this field judging, so, and I've, it's really hard to judge trail camera pictures. It is. You've got head size and body size and the position of the camera, just like you can take your cell phone and make something look big. You can do the same thing with a, you know, a stealth camera, whatever.

The angle, it's up or down, above them, below them looking up, whatever. Perfect eye level, and, you know, it's hard. You can, trail cameras can mess you up. But my, my, my theory is you better look, if you're, if you've got a tag in the unit and you have some significant deer, let's call them, whatever, deer, deer elk, but you have significant animals on camera, you better look at the top three physically and look at them. With your eyes. Yep. With your eyes. Because then you'll be like, that deer is bigger than he looked on trail camera. I cannot believe how much bigger that deer is, or vice versa. That deer, we have a deer on camera. We had a deer on camera. My brother-in-law's killed him. And it was, it looked significant. It was a desert deer, smaller body, maybe even on the younger side, a little bit thin. So all the points look extremely long, thin in mass meaning, and smashed it.

And I was like, that deer only went such and such, you know, low 80s or whatever. And I was like, that thing looked high 90s on camera. And so it goes both ways. But I've been, there's been some, when I look at the top, if I have a bunch of bucks on camera, if you have 100 different bucks on camera, and it's not hard to do that in some areas, or 150, and you've got it down to the top three, you're probably going to be blown away at how big those deer are. You probably ought to need to look at them and really put some emphasis on them. And there's been at times when I've had other tags going on, other competing tags. I never did take a look, go hunt another tag, and somebody smashes my number three buck or number two buck, and I'm blown away how I didn't put any emphasis at all on hunting that particular animal. So anyway, that stands out, you know, to me. How about you guys?

Yeah, I'd say the same thing. I mean, trail cameras seem to go either way. I've seen trail cameras make animals look absolutely giant, and I've seen it make 230 bucks look 200, too. So, I mean, it's just the complete opposite. Night pictures are another thing, too, that can kind of take away from animals, well. But there's nothing to replace seeing in real life. Night pictures will change the mass. You'll get a night picture, and you'll be like, he looks good. But then you see, you know, a daytime photo, and you're like, he's massive. Night shots don't show the mass like they really are, in my mind. And so if he looks massive at night, he is massive. You know what I mean? He is massive. I think another thing is, is when you look at the years and the antler compared to the years, if he looks compact, like, you've got to look at it objectively. I've got a picture of a buck.

You guys know this. I mean, I have a picture of a buck at three feet or four feet, you know, and he looks awesome. But then you've got to look at the ears and go, that is a compact buck. Like that, he does look awesome, but he might not be awesome. He might just be a compact, well-built buck. You know what I mean? Compared to his ears and his body and stuff, if you really look at it objectively, it's a tight frame, you know, or whatnot. So I look at that, and I've got another picture of a buck that's, you know, like 12, 15 inches out past the ear on one side. Like that's a freaking stud, and he looks massive at night. That's a stud. That's a wide, massive, potentially monster. You know what I mean? And so you've got to look, and I've only got one side. I've got to look at him. I need video mode. You know what I mean? I need 4K. I need the place surrounded.

I'm going to borrow cameras from Josh and Devin and Wyatt. I mean, we're going to, I'm going to get some better film, and then need to go look at him in person, and hopefully he makes you want to throw up. You know what I mean? Wyatt had a good point the other day. We were looking at some bull, or videos of a bull, and the one video, you could tell he's, I mean, this is a giant bull, but the one video, Wyatt made a good point that I never thought of much before. He's like, it's almost too close. You know, it's phone scope video that's too close. They blown it in. Yeah, and a lot of times I feel like you always try and get so close to get that nice, crisp, clean video, but then the other video, same bull, and it's, I don't know how long, it's a long ways away, and you're like, oh, you've got to zoom in on it.

But before you zoom in on it, you're like, okay, you can see the bull's, his whole body, and then the antlers in relation to the body as they're turning, and you're like, okay, that's a pretty significant bull because you're out away from him a little bit, you know? Kind of like that bull I was showing, you guys got triple browse on the one side. Yeah. And then there's a 300, 326 point standing there, and it looks like a nothing. It looks like a cow with antler. Yeah, right. And his body's giant. Yeah. But even though, and he's massive. So you start looking at him, and even though his sword doesn't look, you know, 24 inches long, you know, it's longer than you think. You know what I mean? And his fifth doesn't like the whale tail. You get a whale tail on the back, you give it more credit.

Maybe there's the same length there as a great whale tail, but you give it a little more credit because it's sexier. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so I just, when he walks by in a couple different shots, I'm like, how big is he really? Like, I think that he could be special. Yeah. You know? Hard to know. And then you got the curvature of the fronts. I mean, you guys, we were looking at a bull photo, and Wyatt's like, what is he really like on the back end? And we can see what he is on the front end, but what is he really? And then you got the head-on shot. Yeah, he's 42 inches inside, not 38 or 36. Like, those are things, all the angles. And I think part of that with the trail cameras, I quicken them up. Like, I like a shot, I like a three-shot burst, one-second intervals on a delay of, an ideal delay of 9 to 14 seconds. And I have to sift through a lot more photos than most guys.

But when they come in, I've got animals that have only come in once or twice in the last month, because they obviously have a different water, or you get one of these microbursts, and you get water in the road, or you get water out in the hills, or whatever, you get a little catchment. And so they don't have to water as much. And so when they do come in, I want from behind, from front, the sides, both sides. I want all the angles you can get. And so I usually try to quicken them up. But if you're dealing with cattle, then I do a scheduled time, and I'll do from, you know, 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. or 9 a.m. And then I don't have to deal with all the cows standing there all day long next to the water. And then I'll start back when the animals, when the game is most likely to come in. And so I don't fill up a card. But I don't know. Do you guys have any setting preferences that you like?

I mean, that's for where I'm at in particular, Josh. You're up in green, beautiful country. You're in higher elevation stuff, and it might vary up there. Yeah, it's all across the board. And it all does. It just depends on which cows are there, you know, what other stuff is there, if there's antelope coming in. I mean, it's – I've got one now that, you know, some on a tank, and there's a pair of morning doves there. And it's all they do is fly all day long. But I had a buck that I was looking at that hit at 10 o'clock in the morning. I mean, that's – Was that lump-lum? That's one of the only times he hit. Was that lump-lum? Maybe. That was one of the only times he hit. So I'm like, I don't know what to set it at. It's just 24-7. I'm going to have to roll through 8,000 pitchers and morning doves a day. Yeah, you don't have a choice. Yeah. And then I've got one, like there's a pond.

It's a giant pond that you cannot camera. But you can camera the entrances, so to speak. I mean, there's some – they like – I mean, deer, just like water, they're going to go with the easiest route and the most safe and secure route. And so they come through this great big gate. And I'm on the gate, but I can't see the pond. I can see the pond bank. And I quicken it up. I want a three-second delay. You know, three-shot, four-shot burst every second on a three-second delay. And then that way when he walks through, I get him. When he comes back, I get him. If I'm on a 30-second delay, I'm not getting him. And I feel like the cameras don't truly give a 30-second delay. They fall asleep. I feel like if it's too long, they fall asleep and don't wake up. And I miss the game. And so everything is a very custom. I don't just go to a Q3 or Q2 or Q1. I'm like – I custom every time.

Every time on my gut feel what I need to do to get that animal. And I sit through a lot of photos. I always try, whether I'm looking or trochams, you've got to have a head-on on a deer or an elk to really judge him, I think.

I've shot one buck walking away from me, and it wasn't a great choice. He didn't look at me like, you know what I mean? I've always thought that's the most important angle, too, is the head-on. Think about how many Instagram photos you see of people with their deer. And you say, I'd like to see that thing head-on. They don't want to show it. Exactly. There's a reason why there's only side pictures. And suckers 16 inches wide. When they're 17 inches wide, do a side shot.

Wyatt, you've run a lot of cameras. Do you – and, of course, we all have here. But you've said the least. Just tell me, you know, what do you think on judging and then also, you know, camera setup? So just kind of, like I said back, you know, daylight pictures, overnight pictures, I definitely prefer those. Head-on shots. As far as judging, I have seen them both blow-up animals and both make animals considerably smaller or look considerably smaller on cameras. They're just kind of hard to judge.

As far as camera settings, I like a burst, letting the animal come in and set it off multiple shots and hopefully get multiple angles in that time period that he's there because you could only get that animal to hit one time. I mean, maybe he's watering a spring. Maybe if you get him the one time and then that's all you have to go off of. Okay. I like it. Okay. Question reader guy. Are we going to dive into one or two more? How are you guys feeling?

We got this. Let's crank this page. Yeah. We got it. The next couple are pretty quick. Okay.

Braden Richmond asks, have you considered adding bear hunting information, states rules, and draw info? No. No.

Darn it. Sometimes you guys get on bear tangents, you know.

I think there's times we all like the big stuff, right? Like, I'm always interested in what Arizona bears and some of the reservations. And there's some things that, you know, we – you guys – Josh, you had a bear tag. Like, everybody's interested in bears and hunts bears. But it's hard, like, the drawing phone to go into the claws portion of the drawing phone and whatnot. It's just at some point what we – I think we really pride ourselves in being the best is big game. Antler, horn, big game. You know, we have a lot of good outfitters there for bears, too. And Devin knows those really well and be able to help guys out with any bear questions. We apply. You know, we apply ourselves and get points in, you know, whether it be Utah or Colorado or whatever. And we participate in it. We've hunted Montana for bear and different places. A lot of us have hunted Utah and whatnot.

But we're just, you know, don't have any plans there. We're not going to do fishing. We're not going to do upland game. I mean, there's – we really stick to what we know. So maybe to a fault business-wise, but we want to feel like we're the best at what we do. So – or very top tier. Yeah. And anyway, so having said that, no, it's probably a simple answer there. Yeah. So – This next question is one we've already talked a little bit about, so we can probably brush by it. But it does maybe bring up a couple things that Andrus Tingey says, how to hunt a burn in Colorado, for example, two versus four versus six years after it occurred for elk or deer. Maybe different strategies given how vegetation returns over time to the landscape and how elk and deer use different burns over the years. I mean, we did talk about it.

And I would say get in and get on them, A, to start learning it, B, stuff gets in there a lot faster than you think, like Devin was saying. I know a lot of guys, let's say Mount Dutton, and I think it happened on the Penguich Lake as well. Some of these units, they burn fast. Elk, especially if it's big timber. If it's big timber stuff, get in there and hunt it because those elk, they're used to just standing in there and being 50 feet from it and you can't see them. So I know a lot of times, a lot of guys love hunting Mount Dutton when they run a herd of bulls or a herd of elk on a hillside and they're standing over there and they still think they're in a timbered hillside and they're covered and you can shoot through it. For elk, it almost feels like the sooner the better. The longer it goes, the harder it's going to get, especially if you have those sapling quakies like on the Dutton.

I remember hunting that when it was black and just grass. And then two years I go back and you could, oh, you're glassing racks. You can't even see their bodies. Yep. And I think a lot of vegetation after burns, it's really good. It's really nutritious. Sooner after time, it turns to just old decadent stuff and doesn't get used as much. So I'd hit them all the time. I mean, there's always a chance for burns. I'd always make sure you keep them in your scouting, but hit them as soon as you can because sometimes you may only have four years that it's really good. I think, too, like Colorado, I hunted a burn pretty aggressively this last year. Sure. And what I found, there's deer in it. There's a few deer in it. But there was the majority of deer were in their old natural, you know, migration corridor and where they winter. And it wasn't in the burn. And they didn't need to leave the burn.

They didn't. They had to walk through it. They didn't need to leave it. There was no weather, per se, that pushed them. And so sometimes, like a second or third season, rifle deer tag in Colorado, burn isn't necessarily the answer. It might be. Now, if it burned where they naturally always went, they'll probably be standing there. But they left the great feed and went down to the garbage like they always did before the burn, even last year. And the burn's old now. You know what I mean? It's older. And so, kind of like you're indicating, it's not the end-all, be-all, although there are places in Nevada when it burns, there's no feed. And Nevada doesn't have these hard, there are some units that have hard migrations, no question about it. But there's some of the desert units that when there's a burn, it's incredible. And they love it. And it's a relief. There's good feed for once.

There's whatever. And you see a change in antler development. You see a change in maybe even deer numbers and populations and healthier does and whatever. And so there's places that absolutely, if there's a burn, you don't not hunt it. You absolutely hunt burns. And I used to be a saying of mine is, I can hardly think of a burn that didn't produce a big deer. And, you know, but then when you, this guy's asking about Colorado specifically, you know, in Colorado, for example, I saw where the burn wasn't that effective. You know what I mean? It wasn't that effective. You know, so I guess it's just kind of, it can vary. But generally speaking, burns, burns are the most inexpensive. And, you know, government's obviously trying to fight a lot of them. But the inexpensive, you know, wildlife habitat projects there is. You know, there's a pretty great habitat up here on Panguitch Lake.

A cedar country. Yeah. That's right. Thick, thick cedars. It's like that opens up all that feed. Whereas Colorado pines, maybe it's. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It might not change much. Yeah. It's hard to say. I mean, if you're, it's not like you guys, though. You guys, you guys hunted North Eagle, some of that country. And there was, you know, a burn spot or whatever. Was that good or bad? I mean, just open it up. I actually don't know the answer to it. There was good feed everywhere on that unit. I wouldn't necessarily say they were. I found. Attracted to the burn. I found a buck and a burn scar that was like the size of a football field. Yeah. I did see. And it worked. I looked at the burn. There's a buck. There's a couple bucks. Yeah. In a sea of cedars, though. You know what I mean? Right. So maybe those sea of cedars still had other deer in them. You just couldn't see them. Correct.

You know. But were they drawn to it now? Unit 18? I mean, it's a freaking burn. Right. That's all that's left of that place. Right. So. And we found deer in the burn. Obviously, there was no other place for them to be in large part in the particular area we were in. So, you know, did that mean it work? I don't know. I think those deer would have been there anyway. But they work a lot more, you know, easier to glass and find. And so. But in a lot of country. Arizona, Utah, Nevada. I mean, you hunt the burns. Don't ignore burn. Good grief. Don't ignore burn. So. All right. Are we good? Okay. Here we go. Pollock. I'll be the question reader guy. I want to read. Well, I don't want to be left out. We should all be a question reader guy once. Go ahead. From Remington Vader. Is Pollock going to rock the mustache for the hunts? I mean, hey. I'm just saying you might have a stalker.

I'm just teasing Remington. It's a normal question. Not a big deal.

But I haven't even thought about it. Hey. If you want to carry a little wind checker in your binocular harness all hunt long, go ahead. If not, grow a stash. I mean, when you feel the wind start to tingle out here. Come on. You know. You know what I think? Things are changing. I think you shouldn't even trim it until you feel a tag this year. Starting about right now. Okay. Let's hear it. You going to do it? Yeah. Don't trim it. Okay. It's on. Is it? It's on. It's on. Oh, geez. Proclaimed on a podcast. This hairy sucker is going to look disgusting. This could last a long time. How about all y'all? Wyatt? I don't do very good with the mustache. Wyatt, do a mustache once for us. I'm turning gray as it is. You guys are the same what happens to me in a course of nine days. That's true. You should do a mustache, too. Archibald could pull a good one, I'm sure. Dude, go get some of that Beards.

I'd rather have a neck beard. Beards beard oil. Roll it up. Huh? No. No? I'd do a full beard, but not a mustache. I don't know. Okay. All right, Pollock, you're on.

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Also coming out, came out with a women's line of clothing. Right? Right, yeah, just recently. So, anybody that's interested, go check them out at QU.com. Really simple process going on there. You can buy stuff and check out and have it shipped to your door. So, anyway, ultralight hunting, specializing in ultralight hunting equipment. Do a great job, great people there. So, anyway, don't hesitate. Get on board and check them out. All right, fellas. What else we got, Josh? Anything else? Oh, I think that's it. That was a long podcast. Where are we sitting at? One hour, hour and a half. Hey, here we go. All right, everybody. Well, if anybody out there needs help on anything, of course, we've got some point-only applications that we're thinking about. And if you need a tag or you need a hunt, give us a call. Lots of hunts out there right now. We even got landowner tags, Devin. Yeah.

We've got some elk landowner tags in New Mexico. A lot of different options. Of course, we're trying to email out a few of the highlights, it seems like, on a weekly basis. And if you don't see those, go find them and adjust your settings. I talked to a guy this morning. He said, I haven't got any of your emails. I said, I've sent a bunch. Yeah. Might be in your junk email. You know, the world likes to slow down the hunting emails going out there. But then also, we do send out a few emails. And so, we can get on your junk list pretty easy. So, anyway, just select that it's not junk. Right-click it and get us into your main folder. And then that way, you can kind of keep track of what we've got going on. Here at Epic Outdoors, we take pride in having these hunts. We work with some of the best outfitters and the absolute best that we can. And that's always changing, too.

There's a lot of evolution there. Guys buying out guys. And we just try to stay on top of who's doing what. And there's a lot of different opportunities out there. So, please, if you're looking for something, reach out to us. And we'll take it from there. Other than that, it's basically July 21st. That's like right in the center of scouting. And so, we're here four days a week, Monday through Thursday. Wyatt reminded us the 24th is on Monday. And that's a holiday. And so, what? Or you did. I don't know. Devin did. Utah holiday. 24th. Utah holiday. So, we're going to be out on Monday. So, it's going to be a short week next week. But we'll be here Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And then we'll be back to scouting. And so, anyway, that's just the time of year we're in. Scouting and hunting. Y'all ought to be doing the same. I've had a lot of comments.

I guess I mentioned everybody should be taking Fridays off and scouting. And I stand by it. You should. Do all you can to work 410s and get out in the hills with your family and find some games. So, anyway, if you're looking for any gear, optics, cameras, whatever it is you need, give us a holler. 435-263-0777. If you're needing any tags or hunts, same thing. And we'll do the best to get you on some great opportunities. All right, everybody. Good luck out there. If you need something, let us know. At Epic Outdoors, we help you reach your hunting dreams. Whether it's helping you to develop a long-term application strategy or finding the perfect outfitter for your next hunt. As a member of Epic Outdoors, you'll also receive the Epic Outdoors magazine and have access to the best hunting consultants in the industry, online tools, and more.

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