EP 314: Hunting Desert Mule Deer and Gearin' Up for the Upcoming Season

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, and a couple of the Epic Outdoors team here coming at you from southern Utah. Devin, how you doing? Good. All right, I like it. Josh, how are you doing? Great. Really? Yeah. Oh.

Josh, what have you been doing? You've been logging equipment and stuff like crazy. Yeah. What have you been doing? What have you been up to? Selling lots of stuff, been getting in lots of stuff to sell, getting ready to sell stuff. What stuff are we talking about?

Cellular cameras and other trail cameras. All right, so we've been logging trail cameras. We've also got a stack. Devin, you've been ordering guns like it's your job. And both rifles and muzzle orders. Going to have an incredible stack. Have an incredible stack right now. Oh, yeah. But things are just, people are, this day and age, people don't want to wait for anything. Like, you don't want to order and pray they come in time for your hunt. So, you have an October deer hunt, you don't want to order a gun after about right now. Yeah. That's what we're thinking. Devin brought that up. Bronson, I don't know if you and I, I don't know. It feels like when we order something, it comes pretty quick, but we were ordering it in the off season. All of a sudden, we're coming on June. When the world starts ordering it, everybody, then the crunch hits.

It's just like ammo shortages and paper towels and toilet paper and all that other stuff that happens. When everybody decides they want it, you've got a problem. You do. I do. So, I don't feel like it's the toilet paper debacle that we had during COVID. Well, the principle is there. It's May 20th. I like it. Okay, 21st. It is. And 90% of the draws are out. And people are planning. It's time to make your final plans. Whether that be bow gun, muzzleloader, shotgun. I don't know. Jason, you've got a shotgun. Vought for a ham, something you've never done before ever. I don't remember what that shotgun looks like. I sent it off to get some special sights put on. And never received it back. And Brunson, why do you have to rip off those scabs? Well, I just rattled off all the weapons. Bow, muzzleloader, rifle, shotgun. Okay. All pistol. Okay. And we bought those. We already talked about those.

My kids did call a turkey, and this speaking of shotguns. You know? Yeah. So, it's been fun. We've kind of had a fun weekend. Even saw elk on the Kaibab. How about that? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I saw them there three or four years ago, and then you saw them this time. They have non-permit tags right now. You can smash bulls right now. You know? I'm thinking I need to fill the freezer. Yeah. I'd rather not do it. With raw velvet? I'd rather not do it when I have to remove an udder or something. So, this is a good thing, shooting a bull. And you feel like you're doing some conservation. You know what I mean? You got stubs. You know? They weren't even that big. They were little bulls. Cut those off. This is a two-year-old bull. Whatever. Yeah. Probably. Was he branching? Oh, yeah. Just. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I just saw velvet like this. Imagine a stag buck off the ponds. Okay. Okay. That's about.

All right. That's what it was. Yeah. And I mean, they were running like crazy. They've been shot at before? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, I was like, you know, and then I got to thinking, and then, anyway. Now your kids are in. Well, we need to do some conservation. Like, that's the world's greatest deer herd. And they don't want elk there. They don't want elk there. So, there's non-permit tags, which doesn't mean. It's kind of weird. A weird lingo. Non-permit tag. But, basically, it's not a draw tag. It's an over-the-counter tag. Go smash one. They want you to smash them. But you can't kill the cows right now because they're pregnant, and that's insensitive. It is amazing that there are elk there, and there's bulls there. Two bulls. With that much. Sean went out with his wife working the birds, and sure enough, they saw a cow and cow. I mean, dude. Multiple sightings.

We should be getting tags. So, put a slug in your pocket. That's what you're saying. I don't know. If you've got turkey loads, put a slug in your pocket. So, now this is on the podcast. That's the ultimate challenge. You're going to get me in trouble. I'm not. I don't even know if slugs are legal. I don't either. Okay, because I might have to look. I've killed an elk with one before. Would a slug work in an extra full turkey choke? Wouldn't that just rip the end off the trail, probably? It probably would. I don't think it works. I don't think that. I think that's to keep BBs in a tight pattern, not a full bore projectile. I shot four buck and BB through them. I've got a story. Oh, I forgot about this story. Whoa. I don't hear about the time I killed an elk with a slug. Really? Was it legal? Yeah. It was when I was a gamey. When you were a bad to wearer? It was when I was a gamey. Okay.

And so, as a gamey, you can do anything you want? Yeah, pretty much. But we were up at Fish Lake to this, we were up at Fish Lake. There was like this, in Richfield, Sevier County, whatever they do, they do this like third grade overnight field trip thing where they take them up to Gooseberry and they, Forest Service comes and talks, DWR comes and talks and they do all these little things. Well, we were sitting there talking to them and one of the guys with the Forest Service or something was hiding in the trees, blowing an elk bugle every now and then, like mimicking like, oh, that's the sound of an elk. And one of the kids is like, there's one of those down by our camp in our tent. And I'm like, one of what? One of those elk. And I'm like, no, no, there's not. And he's like, yeah, down by our tent where we've been. There's one, there's been one there all day. And I'm like, whatever.

So, me and one of the other biologists that was there, it was Vance. He always had like an elaborate thing, but he's like, we better go check that out. I'm like, we better, I guess, we go down there. Well, there's this bull that had been hit by a car. I don't know. I'm thinking it was fighting with another bull because it was September. But its jaw was clearly broken and hanging off. And like one eye was like all punctured out. Like it had gotten pretty hammered. Like this 300-inch six-point bull. And it was just standing there by this Forest Service fence. What were these kids doing around this? Yeah, they were. And we go walking down there. And there's like 15 third graders all standing there chucking rocks. Wide-eyed. And it's just staring. And we were like. Jeez. And so, I told Vance. Like near. I told Vance. I'm like, we got to put this down.

And he's like, we can't do that for all these kids. I'm like, hey, this is going to teach these kids a life lesson. What's that video that was done there in Idaho? Napoleon Dynamite. I was just thinking of that. I'm picturing this Napoleon Dynamite. And everybody's like, no. Pretty much. And so, he's like, we can't shoot this thing. And I'm like, what else are we going to do with it? We have to. So, he comes up with this elaborate plan. Talks to the teachers. So, we get all the kids away from it. And he comes up with this plan. Like, Salina, third grade, was going to be coming in at noon. And Richfield was going to be leaving then. And they were going to blow his brains out in the middle. And they're going to honk the bus horns when. Like the horns on the bus to notify people that these buses are leaving. These buses are coming. And that's when you're going to shoot.

That's when the shot takes place. Oh, my. I'm like, this is. Oh, let me just shoot this thing. So, he's like, no. This is how we got to have it. And then, I think there was like some cops. We're going to do some sirens. Because we didn't want these third graders, heaven forbid, to see something die. Which I think all third graders should have to even kill something. So, did it work? So, we're sitting there. And I have. All I have is my shotgun and a pistol. And so, I'm like. These are tax dollars at work. These are our tax dollars at work, Devin. We got 14 agencies involved. All those stamps and fees we pay for. Exactly. We got air horns going off. The muffled third graders ears. So, we're sitting there. And this bull, I have to get on the other side of it. It was like one of those Aspen log pole fences or whatever.

And where he was at, I had to get on the other side of the fence from him. And Vance had his shotgun too. All you had was shotgun? Yeah. Which is for like deputy work. Well, yeah. I was a game warden at the time. So, all I had. We didn't have big rifles. Slugs? So, yeah. We had slugs and buckshot. So, I loaded mine with just slugs. I think he had like a 243. And I was like, okay then. At the count of three, let's both just hit it. You know, and he's like, okay. So, we go to do it. And he was like debating. Do we shoot it in the head? Do we shoot it in the head? Blah, blah, blah. I'm like. I was like, I'll just put one right behind the shoulder. And it'll die. And it'll be fine. It's not going to go anywhere. So, I got on. Yeah. So, he's like up from me on the other side of the fence with his 243 or something. And I was on the other side of the fence. He's putting a pinhole. Yeah.

You're putting a big rock to the side. So, we're sitting there. We're like, okay. We're just waiting. All the kids are gone. Waiting for the horns to go. The horns to honk. And all of a sudden, you hear honk. And he's like, boom. And I remember I whacked that thing. And it turns and came at me. And I was like. What? Yeah. I mean, I like hit it right behind the shoulder thinking it was like going to die. He shot it and he shot it. And it turns and starts coming at me. And so, it was like one of the extended magazines. And so, I was just like. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I just unloaded. It's like six rounds of that thing. And I look up on the hill and all of these third graders are sitting there looking. Because the horns were done honking. There were no sirens. It was just the sound of gunfire. The plan didn't work. Kids got to see something die. Waldo is hurt. Anyway.

Well, so then the Salina kids showed up and you showed them how to butcher an elk. Yeah. What did you do? Yeah. You didn't butcher an elk. We just kept them all away and loaded in the truck. Turned it into the forest circus. Oh, no. Yeah. So, anyway. So, yeah. I've successfully killed an elk with a shot. Okay. Well, I don't know how we got on that. Well, I guess it was Jason's gun. We might need to use those tactics on the Kaibab. You might. Well. Yeah. From now on, if you're turkey hunting on the Kaibab. If they're legal. If they're legal. Okay. Well, yes. We don't promote any illegal activities on this podcast. Just keep the trigger down and pump as fast as you can. If you have a non-permit tag. Yeah. Anybody that has a turkey tag should have a non-permit tag for elk. And whatever's legal. If it's bulls only, which is probably going to be the case. And just, you know. You find a bull.

You smash it. Even if it's dances with wolves like that thing. Remember when the buffalo dies? Like right at the kid's feet? That's basically what it was. It just piled up right in front of my feet. Finally went down. Well, I mean. At least you put meat in the freezer and feel good about it. You just kill random cows. I don't know. Anyway. Anyway. It'd be good. It'd be good. Anyway. Kind of crazy. There were so many deer on the caiboum. I can't even tell you how many. Showing back up on the summer, huh? Summer range. Yeah. But, I mean. It's one thing to show up on the summer range. It's another thing to see it like in droves. Hundreds. I can't believe the numbers of deer. It's so impressive. I'm here to tell you. What's your. You want to make a. It's a thick forest. Where we were. It was a thick forest. Prediction on the. No. 12 bays this year. Next level. Next level. Okay.

That sounds like a prediction. To me. I did talk to a guy. Anyway. Talking about. The caiboum as a whole. And he's just. He just says. You know. That's. It's. It's world class. And he got done hunting it last year. And he's. He's right. It is. In many respects. I mean. Now. I know. I know. The early rifle hunts. Are a little bit. Challenging. Especially on the 12b west side. Like. That's challenging. But we still had a guy. Bring in a 202. Mostly typical frame. 32 inch. Or freaking giant. From the early. You know what I mean. Got to have a little weather. To put. Shove them north. Out. Out onto the. When you're hunting on the edge. Of the pond scant deer too. But anyway. Pretty fun stuff. A lot of. A lot of. Excitement going on. If you can't tell. Just because we're. End of May. Which we've been praying for. Like dude. I mean. That changes our life.

Getting done with the heavy research side of the magazine. End of the gear selling. Talking about hunting. Planning for hunts. Getting applicants applied for hunts. That's it. More deadlines. Deadlines mean. You know. Don't have to talk about a certain. What? State? That state. Anymore right? For example. Wyoming elk. It's good. Good to have that come and go. What? You just shuddered. Oh. Yeah. It was a struggle. Challenge. January's enough. And then you got that. Colorado's nice to see it. Come and go. Three day frenzy from the 6th to the 8th. From the amendment period. Yeah. Yeah. And then that goes. And you're finally. Nice. Last week was fun though. Results from three states. Like. That was a fun week. Yeah. Busy week. Was it? Yeah. Fun busy. Yeah. None of us in our office had anything to him. No. We talked to a lot of good people that had good tags. Took our tags.

In those three states. Talked to a lot of good people that took our tags. Yeah. Bronson. We've got some results coming up. Colorado. Namely. Yeah. That's what. Monday's Memorial Day. So Tuesday through Friday next week. Colorado gets a species or two a day. You know. Deer. What? Deer, elk, antelope. Bear, moose. May 28th to the 31st. Moose, deer, elk, and antelope. They're just kind of trickling them out throughout the week. Doesn't always seem to be a rhyme or reason. Always. Which. Which one there is. But hey. That's the next thing to look forward to. I don't think. I don't know if any of us are actually trying. Logan. You did try to maybe draw a tag. Seems like. I got a. I got a second choice. No points. No. I got a second choice. Oh, do you? Oh, yeah. Good one. I have never, ever. If you'll pay me $500 like I paid you last year. That was like. I'll use my second choice. Potentially.

I want to think. Potentially. No. I want to think on that for a minute. Okay. But. That could be. I've never used my second choice because it's just something you do because you can do it. And you know the pain in the butt you got to do. You got to turn it in before August. Before the turn back tags start hitting. Because it has to be wiped out of your account before you can add a turn back to your account. Right. But it cost me nothing because you asked for a refund. I didn't even use my point. So it's. You beat the system mentally. Like I beat the system. People whine about not getting tags. I got one. And by the way, they could too. You got to wait for it to get mailed to you. Fill out the form. Get it mailed back. And that is the pain and suffering. Before that first day lands. And the first. The first list is the biggest. Yeah. I contend. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But anyway. Hopefully everybody had. Knows somebody that drew something good in Utah, Nevada, or Wyoming out. Because around here it was pretty bleak. It was a little bit bleak. Yeah. But anyway. I guess you're going to be headed to Wyoming. You got a daughter with a tag. Well, my daughter. She got a new tag. Yeah. That was expected. That's pretty awesome though. Should be fun. Good time. Got one daughter there and one daughter. We're going to New Mexico. Why don't we talk about the, well, we looked up some of the draws. And just, you know, the big excitement, I guess, or what everybody was wondering was, was what the draws would be for the general elk. And we even looked up the east side. You think, well, there's a lot of private and challenging and whatnot. But it still took like four plus points. Two or three on special, wasn't it, General? Shocked me. Jeff and I thought even. Yeah.

We put it as second choice. Thinking maybe we could still attack the first year. And Josh and I felt left out. These guys had plans. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean. You guys are not even going to be here. Well, you aren't even, Devin. But I don't know. Adam didn't even try to call us. I don't know. Adam didn't even try to call us. We tried to call him on the Arizona OTC.

Let me set the record straight. Okay? We're talking to a person that withdrew his elk application. What? You. Okay. I did. So you're mad at me inviting you and you withdrew your whole application. But second choice is different. You can gain a point. You feel nothing. A little, maybe a little bit of. Well, I would have been out $1,900 because I did special. Yeah. That was slightly. So it would have. Right then I would have been out two grand. And then figure out where the heck you're going to go. And then try to find a place to hunt because there's not public land options. Not going to lie, I was a little bit relieved. Yeah. I feel like our clients drew the majority of like 55 tags. Oh, we did. We did really well. We did some damage in a few units. In some old units. They did really, really good. I mean. Craziness. Got some great elk tags coming up for guys.

Guys drawn with less than five. One guy was zero. Yeah. Random tags. It was good. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. We've got Idaho's coming up for deer, elk, and antelope just for applying. Yeah. Let's run through those maybe. What's left? By the time people hear this. We've got Idaho June 5th. We've got Iowa June 2nd. We've got Montana antelope. If anybody's excited about that, hey, June 1st, you can do it. Of course, you'll be doing points only in the summer, July 1st to September 30th. We've got Utah points. If you didn't get your points in Utah, you can do that June 5th to the 19th. So, just an option there. Washington's due tomorrow. How about that? May 22nd. You guys going to apply? No. No. Don't even want to talk about that. Did we say Wyoming deer and antelope 31st? Wyoming deer and antelope is May 31st, and the points only would be July 1st to October 31st.

And you've got to do that even if you do apply. Yeah, everybody has to go in in the summer. California is the 2nd. California, June 2nd. Arizona, June 4th. Yep. Sheep, deer. We say Iowa. Bison Point. We did say Iowa. And then, yeah, and then we did. We did. Iowa's June 2nd. Anyway, withdrawal results coming on the heels of all those as well, of course. Anyway, if you drew something and you want a little bit of help, we'd love to talk to you. You don't have to book a hunt through us or anything like that. Obviously, we'd help you with that too, but just basic information. You can never have too much help on stuff like that. Or a member experience list of somebody that's been there, done that. Because, you know, we haven't been everywhere, but there's a good chance we have members that have. We can send that out to you. That's a member benefit as well. I'm excited to get out and scout.

I know. I went out. I sent you guys a little picture of the, I know, it was cheatgrass. It was garbage. I get it. I get it. Pollock, I felt like you a little bit. Yeah. You went out and found a little green up in a bar ditch in some obscure area. You probably took a picture in Leeds and ended up claiming it was up here on 20. But, anyway, I just felt like you a little bit where Bronson dashed my hopes and dreams. Wow, that was really good feed. It was good for five minutes, and now it's going to burn. It was about high. Yeah, but it was. I'm thinking how many cedars are going to burn. Normally, it's dirt. Yeah, it is. It's not that that is good in and of itself, but the leaders are coming on bitter brush like it's stupid. It's stupid. That's the reason. When that's that healthy, so is everything else. Yeah. Hey, the cheatgrass is good. It gets stuff started off early for a few days.

They eat the heck out of it in March, April, before it gets tall and gets seed heads. They crush it because it's the first thing that turns green. Pretty darn fun. If you have a tag out west or in the desert, prepare yourself for some smoke this summer. Yeah, I think there's going to be some. So, let's deviate just a little bit. We had a question from way back, and this was about, actually, yeah. Guy says, hey, I wish you guys would do a podcast on finding desert mule deer. We've all hunted the desert a lot. Devin, there's a buck that got away. Really? Oh, that's another question. And there's another question we have, so this could be yours. Maybe we'll segue. But it doesn't have to be. Okay. But it could be. I don't know. But let's talk about finding desert mule deer without trail cameras. He loves hunting the desert, and he doesn't hear many podcasts talking about the desert

and thinks, you know, we're some of the best guys to talk about it. And so, maybe we just talk about desert hunting a little bit, just because we're excited about the desert, a lot of rain. We live in the desert, some kind of high desert. But how do you go about Bronson? You're going to be hunting the desert. I'm going to be hunting the desert. Josh, I'm not sure. You're going to be hunting, yeah, OTC deer. Arizona. Josh, how are you going to go about finding deer in the desert? There's no trail cameras allowed in Arizona, so don't. I'm going to be in the back of your truck, because I'm not going down there by myself. When you tell me to shoot, I'm going to get out and shoot. That's how I'm going to find deer in the desert. And I'm going to listen to Devin. So, Devin, start us off. Like, how would you go about scouting the desert? How would you go about scouting the desert?

Well, there's a lot of different types of deserts. That's the thing. Like, I've hunted some extreme, like, just, there may be water three or four places. And obviously, you're going to, without cameras, sometimes even with cameras, water could be 150, 200 yards of a creek or something. You know what I mean? Or whatever. And, I mean, in some of that country, like, there's only places, like the one buck you were referring to, I saw him on the hoof one time. Was he big or little? He's big. But it was just like, where's this thing bedding? Yeah. And he was in the wash up under a shadow. I mean, big old freaking, he'd used it before. Oh, yeah. And I jumped him in June. And I'm thinking, I'm going to jump him. I'm going to kill him right here one day. And he never bedded there again. Yeah, they seem to be nomadic. Yeah, I found one other place. We're talking about real desert country.

Like, they're way more nomadic, way less patternable. Patternable, it feels like. In the places, what I would call southern Utah, southern Nevada, you know, that's my desert. You know, I don't hunt the Sonoran Desert of southern Arizona. That's a completely different desert with a whole different vegetation base and all that. But I do still think if you can't run cameras, you still start in the hot months. You still got to start around water to either cut tracks, find the comings and goings. Or they're coming in from this way. You can tell that from tracks. They're coming this way and they're leaving that way. Same way. Then, you know, you have a place to start. They're looking for a glassing knob now one to two miles in that direction. You know, daylight or something like that. But, you know, depending on the soil, I mean, we find old pond beds. Jason, I found them, you know. Oh, yeah.

And a lot of times it'll rain and dry up and you just have weeds. Morning glory or whatever. But it's the best feed and they come to it. They'll feed it. Yeah, they crush it. So these dry pond beds are the best. Just not river bottoms or beds, but like just little ravines that have more moisture. Well, it's more moisture. So what, yeah. It's just like the side of a road. When you have a blacktop and it rains on blacktop, where does all the water that would normally go seep in where the blacktop is? It runs to the edge and you get excessive water in the bardoos. Same thing with north faces. If there's any steep north faces and it does snow there, there'll be more feed. Yeah. You'll find more tracks there than you will. It doesn't cure out as fast or as bad. You know, south facers will bake and a lot of times turn to cheatgrass over years because it's just too dry.

The north facers will have more usually native, you know, absent of a major burn. I want to talk a little bit about when you talked about, Adam, the nomadic. And so there's been a lot of country out like I like to hunt a lot of the sand stuff down here in northern Arizona, southern Utah, whatever. And they are so nomadic. Like you can, I mean, it's like they are on a mission, but they're not on a mission to do anything. They're just, it's part of, I think it's their part of, part of how they've learned to exist. Almost like they're like a buffalo mentality. They don't have a buffalo. You know, a buffalo roamed the whole west for hundreds of miles in herds and followed feed. You know what I mean? Where are we going with those? No, I'm just talking about, they kind of have that kind of brain. Of just, they feed? It's not, you know. Or sheep, right?

If they didn't have a sheep or, I mean, they just mow down. You wander, and where you end up is where you end up. And then you get up after your bed, and you just wander another five miles that way. Exactly. And then you bed that way, and the next way, five miles this way. And it's nothing for them. I'm walking in the sand, and I'm like, I'm freaking tired. You know what I mean? And the deer, it's nothing to them. It's nothing to put on 10 miles. It's all they do. Throughout an evening or a night. And they don't. They'll just feed. Seemingly, habitat doesn't look any different. No. You're like, why are they doing that? That's the other thing. I mean, I think you're bringing up some good points that you're not even meaning to, really. But when you say, seemingly, the habitat is no different, I was thinking about this. Like, where am I going to run cameras in Nevada or Utah this year?

Like, where would I run? How many cameras do I need to run? I need to run a lot because both of them have, let's call them trail cam seasons. You can't run them basically after August 1. Basically. I mean, it's July 31 in Utah or whatever. But you've got to run double, right? But do I really need to run double or do I need to go to the same places that I've always found big deer because the other places have never produced? Have you found that, like, where you guys hunt? Like, I have places that always have a big deer on them. And I have places, most of them, that never have a giant. Feels like that. You know what I mean? I'm like, what? There's no rhyme or reason. Like, it looks the same. It looks the same. But I know there's certain ponds. I could run five cameras or ten cameras in Nevada and have 80% of my biggest deer. Yeah. Each year. Same places. Why is that? Why is that?

I don't know. It's interesting, though. You know? And within miles of very similar country that you don't get the same type of deer. There's places, there's guzzlers and stuff that we used to run, whatever, in Arizona back when it was legal. You'd never get a deer on a particular water. You'd never get a deer on a particular water. Or sheep. Nothing uses this water. But then two miles away, you always have a deer or sheep on water. Like, I don't know why they don't like it. They feel vulnerable. They wear the waters positioned. They feel like there's a bobcat or a lion. Maybe it's... They're just more vulnerable. Like, you know what I mean? I don't know. But there's things like that. And I think part of that is learning and building on what you already know. Hunting places that you are already familiar with.

So, like right now, if I'm starting in a brand new unit right now, I'm already behind the eight ball. Like, I should have probably been working on it by now. You know what I mean? It's about to get really hot. It's about to get really hot. And the gnats are about to come out up in our country. And it's not very pleasant. And every time you end the hunting season, you're like, I wish I would have known then, at the first of this year, what I know now. And so, I like to build upon places I already know. Devin, you already know on some of these tags you have, you already know where you're going to start. Right? Well, and that's probably... I was thinking about it last night. You know? Just... Yeah, you're... Oh, yeah. And for years and years. Even when I didn't have a tag on the unit, I would still put a camera here or there, check some things. Just if I had the time.

And any little bit like a track here or there, it makes a difference. It's like... That's what I was thinking when you guys were talking is even driving down the road in that country, like... The roads. I never look at the ground. I'm not a lion hunter, but my eyes are glued. Out there you do. Because you can learn something. Yeah. Well, and out there you do because there's not enough tracks to... No. ...to clutter the ground. Right. It's a big deal. You're like, that's a deer track. A track. You've gone five miles and you haven't seen it now. And I've found new places, new bucks, same thing. The lion's share of the bucks or the deer that live in that country are bucks. Like, it's just... Yeah. Bucks live in the desert. There's a high... The buck-to-doe ratios are off the charts in low-lying areas, desert country, where it's a tough living. Let's call it. For a fawn.

It feels like in some of these areas, the does and fawns... They migrate up. ...migrate and come back. That's right. And some of the bucks stay there and just... That's right. ...whether it be, I'm sick of the migration or they're just tougher. Frankly, they don't have the dietary and physiological limitations that a doe has placed upon her to have a fawn. I better go somewhere good or these things are going to die. Right. You know, all those things. Buck can just... I just got to feed myself. Bucks are just tough. They just want to be out there. Yeah. So there's... But like you said, David, I hang my head out. It's crazy. I'm not a lion hunter either, but it's just different when you're in that country. A track there, a track in that country... Is monumental. Monumental. It feels like you get one of these like this, you're just... You already know what he is and he could be a stack.

Yeah. He could be a piece of crap. Probably. He still gets me fired up though, man. He's probably a piece of crap. You see a big wedgie track like that. Oh, yeah. Big old spade. Fatty. And you're like, okay. You know, you get consumed. There's even stuff like you were saying, waters, and you don't know which one. Like, you know they're hitting somewhere, but you haven't pinpointed it. Before I even look at the mud, I'll just do a loop. You can pretty much tell. You can do a loop or two and just... Well, the trails will tell you. That's the one thing wild horses are good for. Water will go underground and pop up 200 yards down here. All horse trails lead to water. That's very true. You know what I mean? If you're following long enough, you'll hit water. Yeah. That's what I like to do. If you can find an obstacle of some kind, by an obstacle, I mean like a fence line.

So I was just doing this last weekend. I was putting up cameras, but I know these deer are going down to this water source, and they're likely coming off of this hill somewhere. And I went, and there's a fence that parallels that hill. I just went and walked two miles of that fence line. Found low spots or something. And you found four spots. Like, okay, they're all coming up this ridge. They're following here, here, here, here. Yeah. I need a camera here. I need a camera here. I put four cameras out. And that's what you're doing in early May when nothing's built. Everybody else is thinking, why are you out, Josh? Yeah. Really? You're going to go out? You're wasting gas. And there was even a two-track that was right next to that that I walked as well. And it actually surprised me that you normally, just the amount of deer that are in there,

and it may only be 10 deer, but the amount of traffic and tracks and stuff. And do it this time of year when there's not a million people out. No. Yeah. When it's just a pretty good solid, you can see those tracks. So I like walking a road, especially a fence line, because fence line, it's easy to see every time they jump, they're leaving a pretty good mark in the ground or something like that. Something that's noticeable because sometimes when you're driving, you don't always notice the tracks. And I always do try and do that or try and walk. If there's a wash somewhere in there, I know I've done that before looking for deer because I would get on Onyx and find all the water sources, ponds, guzzlers, springs, everything, and I would hang cameras. I hung so many cameras on ponds. And there were deer living a buck that I was trying to get a picture of to figure out where

he was watering within a mile of any of those water sources, and I couldn't find it anywhere. To this day, I still don't know where he was drinking. But there were a couple times there was a wash, just a dry wash that never has water in it unless it's monsoon moisture that'll come through. But I walked that wash several times, and there'd be a spot where it's just a little bit lower in the water table or something, and there's some moist dirt, and those bucks were walking up to it, and literally it was like they were stepping in the mud that was barely coming out and then just drinking out of a track. And they don't need much, but just walk an obstacle like that so that it makes it easier. Because if you just go wander through the sagebrush, it's hard to pick up a track. But if you can get a road, a fence line, a wash, something that's going to be a lot easier

to start to see a track, I better love that. Okay, so I'm going to elaborate a little bit more. You're hunting a specific deer that you randomly saw, right, last year. You're thinking about a specific deer that you don't know the terrain. And it's dumb to say this, you don't know the terrain. You know the terrain, right? You know this two-track, you know the fence. But you don't know how the deer are using it. And now you're hyper-focused, you're hyper-sensitive to every little thing where you've driven down that road a thousand times, not even thought about it because you weren't looking for a specific buck, right? You're just mindlessly going to the next spot. Am I right? Oh, yeah. And so now you're hyper-focused. And now what you're going to learn, this is what I find, is those same fence crossings you're talking about, they're going to be used every single year.

You were talking a lot about migration, telemetry, things like that on 14 podcasts ago or whatever. And how those deer use the same routes. I find that on fences. I find that on buttes or whatever. Deer like to go around this butte and they always go around this way and they always, I don't know why, maybe a prevailing wind, maybe the shady side, maybe 14. There's 14 little reasons, you know, that deer do what they do. Well, and it's a spot like that. It sounds stupid too, but I've lived in this area my whole life. I've hunted it growing up and everything. I've never done that, what I did. I'm 43 years old. Like, that's ridiculous, you know? And I've known that this is what these deer do forever. But I just... Well, before though, you had so many to choose from. You had a hit list this long and now our hit list is shortening up and every buck you see

that's approaching 183 and a half, you're... If you see a mature deer, you better put some time in on it. The other thing I like, and we're talking about a lot of tracks because that's kind of desert stuff. What I like is tracking bucks on and off water, right? Like, that's a natural place. They come to socialize. They come to drink, but even in the rut, they come to socialize. I can smell around the pond. I know what does are here or whatever and if something's in heat. So you can use water year-round even if they're not necessarily thirsty. The other thing I love, I love going out after a fresh rain in the desert because you see the tracks. Like, you see them and you can even glass them. Yeah. And it tells you a ton and you can run them down or do whatever. Now you know a specific area that a buck went into after his all-night-long feeding escapade

and he's walked five miles or whatever. But it tells you a lot. The rain gives you a fresh slate. We're talking about fresh slates. We're talking about scouting early when nobody else is out and you got less tracks on the road, vehicle tracks, whatever, just a lot less activity. But then just that fresh rain wipes out all your cattle, all your everything else that's out in the desert, any little lizard track, every little dimple is freshened, right? I love that, being able to do that right after a fresh rain. You might have to time it. If you see something coming, see something forecasted, try to plan a little trip because it can be gold. If you've got month-old tracks out there and everything's just stacking up and, you know, a week-old track in cases like that still looks fresh in some cases where you don't have too much wind.

But, yeah, you can learn a lot on a fresh rain based on – you can actually – I mean, I've tracked deer that time of year just trying to get a glimpse of them just because sometimes you have no other option to see them. So there's no glassing points and you're like, well, if I jump them in June or early July and I'm not that sensitive to, like, I'm going to be hunting in 30 days, you know, I've done that before. Yeah. Jumped them up and said, all right, built well enough that I need to – yeah, this is somewhere I've got to come back. So there's one last thing that's coming to mind is, like, if you were a deer, you would learn how to use the country for your everyday needs, right? Water, food, shelter, protection. So you utilize everything. I mean, if you had to live – you're an Indian back in the day. You have to live on – you learn how to use everything.

I think being aware of your surroundings. So, like, there's really good hunters out there, way better than I am. And these guys – I was fortunate enough to hunt with these guys, a couple of these guys. And I learned about, you know, let's call it a salt lick, but a natural salt lick, like just a natural place in the earth that deer gravitate to and eat the dirt, right? For the mineral. I've driven by this a thousand times. I didn't even notice it because I'm not a lion hunter. I'm not – I'm still learning, right? And so, anyway, I'm like, what? And then – and they had said something about it. And then we went – and then I went and looked at it. And they've literally ate the dirt away. And this has never had a man-made salt lick at it. This is not one of those, I put my block here. It melted. Now I've got elk and deer hitting this and eating it for the next 10 years. This is not that.

This is natural, God-made salt lick. You know what I mean? And I've never even noticed it because I'm an idiot. Well, yeah, you don't – we're not trained to look at that. It's big on, like, thin-horned sheep, too. You can find a sheep up in the Yukon. That's where they stick archers. Stone and doll sheep. Just a very subtlety – subtle – Color. Mineral color. And they'll hit it and they'll put people there. You wait there and they'll come through, especially rams. But anyway, I've not – I mean, I've never watched a deer in a spot myself thinking, okay, that's what he's doing there. But it could be. But it could have been, you know. But anyway, it's – It's just interesting, I think, just being aware of, like, what Josh is talking about, finding these fence crossings and things like that. There's more than that. I mean, I don't know what it is, but, I mean, just stuff like that.

It taught me a lot about how much I don't know. I've hunted that for years. Killed some of our best bucks there. Hunted some of our best bucks there. Like, you know, but could have been even more effective had we looked beyond our own capacity of, you know, why is this deer here? Like, why – I have – there's saddles. There's saddles or, you know, breaks in the landscape that deer always cross through. I never even thought about that when I was younger. I was just like, meh, just random. No, it's not really random. It's not really random. You know, they know what they're doing and where they're going. Any other thoughts, Devin or Adam or Josh? Well, just don't – there's not a perfect answer. Don't worry if you feel like you're getting your butt kicked because we do most of the time as well. In the desert, you're going to get your butt kicked 95% of the time. Yeah. That's just a fact.

The other thing I would mention is, like, if you are going to run cameras, obviously water's key, but, like, some of my best performing areas have been just green. There may not be water there, but the water table's high enough. It's green. And by end of July, everything else is toast but that spot. And then all of a sudden for a week, boom, they're just on it. I had a spot in Nevada, Adam. You might remember this. This was quite a while ago. Remember, there was a burn in 241. There was a burn, a huge burn, and there was a great – the plane had come through and dropped that pink stuff. Yeah. And for some reason, the vegetation was different. Well, the deer were in it. And they were in it. And they would feed in this swath of fire retardant. Oh, what a 50 or 75 yard. Probably had some fertilizer in it or some type of chemical. It was a chemical that made – it was visual to your eye.

Yeah, the feed did better. Like, the feed was different. Like, I don't – The feed did – I don't know what it was. And I'm just like, you're kidding me. And we saw bucks in it repeatedly, not like one-off. It was visual to your eye when we saw bucks in it repeatedly. I mean – And this was – what was it? Two to three years maybe after the burn. It wasn't that long after, but that stuff stays for years. It stains, especially rocks and trees. Especially in the desert. It doesn't rain enough to soak it in. But anyway, it was interesting. It is. Just stuff like that. You don't know. Like a fresh-bladed whatever. You have some kind of disturbance in the earth that causes whatever. And maybe it's chaining, re-seeds, 14 other things that can happen. So there is places that are consistently good without human disturbance.

And then you're going to find places where humans have disturbed it that are now becoming good that you need to have an open mind to because of feed. Sometimes it's weeds. Literally. Like weeds after they've – Tumbleweed. When tumbleweeds are green. Or they put a – yeah, put a water development in. Or they put a corral in. They've disturbed the soil in some of those places. And then you just get weeds. Little Forbes weeds come up that in – after they're cured like cheatgrass and they get big, they're worthless. But when they're little, it's like ice cream out there because you're – again, you're dealing with a – kind of like you were talking about, Devin. You're talking about the landscape getting baked. You've got one little reason that something has now changed in a certain spot.

And you've got to remember, these deer are used to being nomads and they're good at finding out – find out where something's different. And they'll – yeah, they may be there for a week and then like you found them. But then they're gone. They didn't come back to that spot. Oh, yeah. It's over. It's just very interesting. Some other – and we need to move on. But there is another thing is I'm finding like back in the day there was a good friend of ours and I don't really want to, you know, talk about it too much. But anyway, he's not around anymore. He's gone. Really good guy and I learned a ton from him. But he was talking about deer he had seen like in the winter or, you know, during the rut or whatever, whatever. There's several instances when he had seen deer in this specific location. Well, I would never think – I would never think I would see a deer in this location ever.

And what caused that. But I didn't really care because back in the day we had deer everywhere. I didn't even think about it, right? Now I'm thinking deer are a little more sparse. I'm thinking about every little advantage we can think of in new places or where deer die of old age. We need to find where deer die of old age, which is where hunters aren't. Or where places are unintentionally mismanaged because Game and Fish doesn't know how many deer are there, for example. And so I'm going back to those memories of, oh, yeah, so-and-so talked about this. And there was deer here. And you know what I mean? And so you're kind of going back on some of this stuff as you're getting older. We're freaking old now. And maybe even a little bit wiser. And then trying to think outside the box, you know, more because people are bright now. People are thinking. People have got social media.

There's less of these kind of places, you know. So just anyway, thinking outside the box. So I don't know. Anything else? We cover it. There's not one answer for the desert. Like Devin alluded, all deserts are different. They really, really are. Every state. Idaho has desert. Colorado has what I would call parts desert. Utah, of course. Nevada. Arizona. New Mexico. And they all have different limitations, different strong suits, different things to key in on. But anyway. The underlying factor is it's amazing how little a buck needs, though. When you do find one in a weird place like that, it's like, what are you doing here? Yeah. What are you doing? And this is only one time, one place that he's here now. But you know he has to have 10, 12 other places, or who knows how many other places like that for safety or beds or feet or water. Like, it's crazy.

One last thing we should talk about is, obviously, water's key, right? Desert water. Water's critical. So we got a good friend of ours. We all know him. But anyway, he's constantly sending me new Onyx pens of water he finds. Okay? He doesn't even have a tag. He's just out. He's out in November, December, January, February, March. I'm just like, geez, how are you keeping your marriage together? But anyway, he sends me these pens. And you know, in my mind, these maps are smart. We have mapping apps. They all tell us where the waters are. Probably not going to find much. It's not true. There's a lot of water that's not mapped. A lot. And it comes and goes. So, like, it's like this earth is just a breathing, living, you know, organism or whatever. And you just don't know where the water's going to seep up at. And every year's a little bit different.

I was hunting out in Nevada, Area 27 or whatever. And we were out in the middle of nowhere in the desert. There's no water on the map. And there's a spring that runs, comes up, comes up, and then runs for a quarter mile to a half mile and then goes back in. Lots, multiples of those. And they're not on a map. Like, there's no map that they're on. And I'm thinking, that's why we're seeing bucks that we don't have on camera because we think we know where the only waters are. And you can't camera that much water. And you can't camera that much water. I found sandstone holes this big. Yeah. That are full. And it probably rained, snowed, whatever. Probably rain. A month. It hadn't rained for a month. And I'm like, where are these deer? Why is there so many deer here? Big old freaking pothole. Pothole. In a sandstone. And you mark it. And forevermore, that will have water. Forever. Oh, yeah.

Bronson, you have one of those in one of these high-profile units where you even have run a camera. It was fun. And it still is there. It's still. I found a few of them on the Henry's over the years. Found them on other units. Sandstone, Elk Ridge, and places that, you know, those places are endless and where water could be held in a Tanaha, a slick rock tank. But every once in a while, they're in a spot where a buck wants to live. And they're the answer. When you don't have an answer, you just got to find that spot. Yeah. Because like you said, they can't be here without watering. And it drives you crazy. And then all of a sudden, you turn on and find something. You're like, are you kidding me? There's a spot in 220s in Nevada that it's a rock that's probably five foot tall. And on top is a great big basin. But it's covered by a big cedar tree.

So it's shaded by this cedar tree, which is why the water is not evaporating as much. And I watched a deer water at it. And I'm like, what's he doing in this tree, in this rock? Like, what's he doing? And he was stretching his neck. And I'm like, there you go. And I haven't been back because I haven't been able to get a tag and 14 other reasons. And there's other places to go. And so it just hasn't been important. But I wish I knew of all of those places. Love those little missing link pieces of info. And there's nothing about time. And they can last for so long, too. They're shaded like that. That's how this one was shaded. It only had 50, maybe 50, 30 feet. Of drainage from rain that would hit it at all in a flash flood type deal. Like a little drain. It lasts for months. Yeah. All right. Pretty cool stuff. Well, anyway, that was a good discussion for a sec.

You know, just some of the things you guys are thinking about. And it's on our mind, right? It's May. Josh is out and about. Not sure everything he's doing. Josh, what are you doing out there? Putting trail cameras. Where are you going? What's your plans? What buck are you going to kill? No name. Hopefully we've got to find him first. It is the time, though. It's the time to start scouting. Its tags are coming. So maybe we talk about that a little bit about stuff we have. If you need it. Okay. People got it. Let's rattle through a few different options of things we've got. You mentioned trail cameras. Maybe lead into that. Because these, we have a big order every year of stealth cams. Let's go through kind of some of the models that we have in stock. We've also got boxes for bears or people. Yeah. Lots of them. And go through the models of what we have. And we make great deals on them.

We order heavy a couple times a year and sell out of them. Not like we want to keep them on the shelf. Back east, some of these dealers will have them year-round. Because there's no laws, right? Yeah. Necessarily. But we've got some of these seasons. And then we've got heavy times a year. And so like you're saying, Bronson, there's times to buy them. And there's times just not to sell any. You know? Yeah. So, Paula. We have kind of an approach that we get. Just, I don't know. There's a lot of different models out there. But we obviously were a stealth cam dealer. We've been using our cameras for a long time. And they're pretty awesome. We have several different models. But basically, you kind of have your cellular and non-cellular cameras. And I would contend, like, if you're going to get cameras, get a mix of cameras.

There's going to be spots where you're going to want or need a cellular camera. There's going to be spots where you're going to need one that's a little better, more megapixels, that you want some good pictures so you can see every basal point. Yeah. Bloodline. Yeah. Bloodlines. Something that trips you, gets you over the edge to kill it, to hunt a deer. Yeah. And then you're going to want some, something that I just, I always keep. We have some of, like, the 20 megapixel cameras. And I don't even put those in a box, generally. I just have a couple, usually, if I go to hang cameras for a day. The cheap ones. Yep. They're cheap. We have them in a two-pack. But I just wrap a couple of them up with a strap on them. They're just coverage cameras. Right. And I just have some of those in my pack.

Because generally, I'll go and find, when I hang cameras, I find spots on Google Earth or something that looks good then. And then I get in there, and I'm like, yeah, this is good. And I hang it, and then I walk, like, 500 yards. I'm like, oh, man, this is a much better spot. You know, you maybe run into one of those weird little waters or a trail that's coming or two trails meeting. The last thing you're going to do is take one down that you just put up. Yes. Whatever. Yeah, because I don't want to walk. So I just hurry and grab one out of my pack and throw it up. So always having a couple of those on hand is always good. Because then at that point, when you go to check it the next time, you're like, oh, this is a lot better place than the other one. Swap it out with the other or whatever. So having a mix of those. So that's what we've got. We've got some of the GMAX Visions.

They're awesome cameras.

What about this new 360? Yeah. We've got some cellular cameras that Stealth Cam just came out with. It's the Revolver 360. So it's got a sensor. Call it the bobblehead of cameras. Yeah. It's got a sensor all the way around 360. And it's got several different settings where you can set it to a certain area or all 360. And as soon as it senses motion in any of that 360 view, the picture turns or the lens turns and takes a picture. You ain't sneaking up on it. No, you're not. So you're not stealing that camera. No. Because it's already got your picture and sent it to my phone. I already have a text message to your face. So we're going to send it out to the world. Yeah. Make you famous. Yeah. So anyway, it's kind of cool. It's actually, I wonder what battery life. I'm excited to try it out. I wonder what the battery life is going to be like. I probably want to put it on a solar panel.

I don't know. It takes 16 batteries. I pulled that one out of the box. 16, double A's. You did pull it out of the box? It's a cool looking. Oh, big a boy. It weighs about six pounds. You're taking a truck. It weighs six pounds full of batteries. That's what we did in the Escalante back when we were young. Double D's, C's. Four D's and three C's or something. Clips. Clip on your battery. It's the forever cameras. And I mean, it was so hot. It colored the lens yellow. So good. We were so hot. Well, this was 2000, what? Seven? Seven. Eight. Seven. Eight. Seven or eight. We were gone. We didn't have options, guys. We barely were coming out of film cameras. So just. Yeah. There was 35 millimeter film cameras. And a lot of guys listen to this podcast that are good hunters don't even know what 35 millimeter film is. We used to have to. We got 36 pictures. One hour photo at Walmart. 36.

You might get 38 out of a 36 picture roll. Do you remember that? You got two bonus? Yeah. How excited you were? So anyway, yeah, this is. We're excited. This is going to be interesting. I mean, we're back to the heavyweight, but whatever. We're going to carry it our side by side. Well, there are certain places, you know, and if they're in a good spot, yeah, you do a pond coverage. You do a wet bottom coverage. You know, something that you just, you might take five cameras to cover something. You might cover those in one or two cameras. Yeah. Might be interesting. Going to be interesting. So actually, we've got a chunk of those. Now, cellulars aren't really that good in Nevada because you've got to take them down even a month earlier than everything else. But Utah, have at it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So we'll have, just so you guys know, we're going to have a two-pack of these 20-megapixel cameras like we talked about. They're just a coverage camera for a great price. And then we have the G-Max Vision 32. It's a little higher. It's a 32-megapixel camera. I mean, I remember when eight-megapixel cameras used to blow my mind. Like, holy crap. Look at that, you know. And so they're a great camera. I still have some of Bronson's 2Gig cards. Oh, yeah. I don't really have them, but once in a while I come across a 2-gigger and I'm like, really? I'm so glad those cameras, I think all of them are gone. Bushnell. Bushnell. Gone. Yeah, they were paying for a while. That's kind of a cool. That was the maximum. Well, and they would only take in a 2-gigger. That's all you could put in was a 2-gigger. So then you were like, okay, this camera is my 2-gigger. Yes. Glad they're there. That's cool.

And you couldn't even fill up a 2-gig card all summer. It's a little quality there. But, yeah, that's a cool camera for the fact it's got that LCD viewing screen on it as well. So you pop it open if you want to just go through it real quick and look at your pictures. It's got a little screen on it. So a little higher quality non-cell camera. And then for the cellular cameras, there's actually three of them that we're going to have. Two of them we have now. We're waiting on the third one. There's the Revolver 360. That's going to be that one we just talked about. There's also the Deceptor, which is kind of taking place. We've had the Fusion and the Reactor before. This one's cool. The cool thing about all these cameras that are the cellular cameras now, you no longer have to worry about if you have AT&T service or Verizon. It'll pick up whatever is the better service in your area.

So you don't have to worry about it. You just slap it up, and it'll select the network for you. You just pay your subscription through the Stealth Cam app, and they take care of it for you. I don't know if it's got two SIM cards. I don't know how that technology is working. But they're going to select whatever service is better for you so that we have the Deceptor. It's a no-glow. It's a 40-megapixel camera, for X-Sakes. I mean, it's pretty awesome, but it's going to be a cellular camera. The Revolver, and then there's a new one they're coming out with that we're going to try and get is the Flashback. Yeah. Got a bunch on order. Yeah. It's unique in the fact that it's actually got, like, they're calling it a white night, like a... Kind of like a colored night photo. Yes. So it's got a big, bright, white flash. If it's a camera you want hidden, you're not going to want to put it up.

We're going to burn their retinas. Yeah. You're not going to be able to see when you go up to check it. It'll be like Devin's office. Yeah, pretty much. Devin, how about your office light? What's wrong with it? What do you mean? What? Can you see us? So, Devin... We can see in it. He just can't see out of it. Devin, you look good in that office. We had to... Everybody out there... The old ballast gave up the ghost. It gave out on us. And it was about once out of every 10, 12 days. My light just wouldn't turn on. So we had to swap it out. Now, they don't even... When you go to a Gen Z light, it's like so bright. Bright, light. Like Devin's got... It'd be like a... It's brighter than a doctor's operating table. Am I looking more tan today? For me to walk in Devin's office for more than 60 seconds, I have to put a hat on because I'm bald. It reminds me of when I... I just...

They're sensitive, Devin. I just put on sunglasses and I'm fine. It reminds me when I come over the mountain in the winters and it's me and just houndsman and I come around the corner and they have all 55 of their light bars on. Yeah. So they can even see tracks on the highway. That's about what it's like. Well, anyway, it's LED office light. But it's... And your office has got a lot of white walls. You're not like next to... There's some reflecting going on. There is some reflecting. Yeah. We need some of these curtains and some black. I mean, we're in the white... If you took like... We're in the white light district right here. It probably looked all right with these walls. I felt like I walked in and like sit at somebody else's desk today. That's how different it was. Yeah, it does. You started looking at the dust. What do you mean? No, there's dust all over the place.

I didn't know it existed. I live in filth. Yeah. My computer screen was... All right. It chills up. Well, anyway, we got a lot of that stuff. These cameras are... All but one of them are in stock that we talked about, right? So we got a lot of them ready to go. And like we said, when these are gone, they're gone. We're not... If you wanted a real specific order, we might be able to do something for you. But we've ordered heavy, so call and get them before they're gone. Yeah, there's some people out there who buy... You know, if you want to order 100, why, let us know? Because we can do that. We can make special orders of any model. We basically look at it as what do we want personally? Figuring y'all would probably want something similar. Here in the West, it's a little different back East. We know what works out here and what we like in relation to card storage, battery life.

I like a long shot at night. Night shots, yep. I like a 100-foot long shot if you can. I mean, a lot of them, most of them are at least 80. But if you can get 100, you know you've got some... some good lighting, and so that's what you need. All right, do we want to talk about guns and muzzlers, or should we change the subject totally? Throw it out. Devin, what do we got? Speaking of forecasting products, we've been doing that. Let's do it. We got... We're happy about our partnership with CVA. We just got, you could say, pallets. Literally. Literal pallets. Yeah, came on a semi. But, yeah, I mean, same kind of thing. What I think is interesting, Devin, these guys here in the office, they, like, take half a pallet. Yeah, we're running... It's very frustrating. We can't keep anything in inventory. No. Josh, Josh, Josh, I think Josh...

It's like a bag of trash in the parking lot at Lake Powell. It's bad. The amount of crows that are just within seconds tearing it apart. And I'm not sure Josh's wife knows what a shopping problem he's got. She sees it all. Okay, okay, plus or minus. I mean, dude. He doesn't want to break down... For some reason, he doesn't want to break down a scope muzzleloader, you know, to conform to the new rules. Neither does John. I know. Bronson, what do you have to say about that? Pretty easy to take off. Two screws. Scope is off. I'm the same way, I'm going to admit. What's the word I always hear coming at him? I mean, I've got women and children. I've got... When you start to advance in your life and your kids start to advance in life, you can't just have one muzzleloader anymore. You can't just have one pair of binoculars. And when you get one that's set up, Devin,

you believe the same way I do. When you get one that's set up, you don't want to touch it. It's tried true. It works. I don't want to touch it. What was your point, Devin? You'll spend that in powder, getting a new load on you. That is my point. If you buy Blackhorn 209, plus your sabbats, not even counting your time, right? Not even the gas going out to the range. Yeah, I mean, your Blackhorn is not cheap. It's no joke. It's no joke. High commodity, whatever you want to call it. By the way, we've ordered pounds. And the muzzleloaders we have ordered, I mean, they're ranging from 300 up to about mid-sixes. Dollars. Yeah. How fast can you burn through $300 of Blackhorn? You'll throw, if you were, okay. Your one power Leupold. Just saying. Your one power Leupold is the same as our low-end muzzleloader. Yeah. It actually could be more. Let alone the bullets and the Blackhorn and the primers.

It will be more than the muzzleloader itself. And then you've got cleaning kits coming. We've got extra ramrods pretty soon. You're like, the muzzleloader's the cheap part. What do we actually have? Bear flame adapters. Bear flame adapters. We got, the muzzleloader's the cheap part. It is. It really is. I mean, to me, if I have one that works. Don't touch it. Or specifically, if I have one that's, for example, Nevada, New Mexico, open sight, and I know it works.

Instead of doing something different with a red dot, one power, whatever, for Utah, I would do a whole other muzzleloader. I really think it'd be cost-effective. That's the way I feel. And you know it works. And Bronson says, don't do it. Reuse and use again. I was on that side of things. But Bronson has guns that we don't even know about. Yeah. What do you mean? He's a whole other. He is a gun collector. 6.5 Creedmoor comes to mind. He's on another level. I don't know. You've got a 22-inch 7PRC. You want a 24. You've got a 26. Maybe even a 6.5 Creedmoor. And I don't know why he shakes his head. We're just the lowly crows picking up crumbs. He's the condor that's already been and left. He's the condor that decides when the crumbs can be picked up. Yeah. Exactly. No. I finally came to the realization that those two little screws, you know, your scope's mounted. It's leveled.

All that's in your rings. And that takes effort. You've got to level your gun. You've got to level everything. Level your bubble. Tighten them all in. Boom. You're done. When you take that scope off now, you don't have to take it off of the ring. You can do that way. You do the side screws. Side screws. Pull it off. It's in one piece. Put it back on. And this is a gun that I will only ever use if I go to, like, Kansas or Iowa or Arizona. Not very often. Yeah. But that gun is capable of shooting a dang long ways because I've shot it with the scope. So I'm going to try to figure it out with a red dot. That's what they say in New Mexico. That's what they say the problem is. What? Guys are used to shooting long range with multiple power scopes, knowing what the gun can do. Well. And then they try to do it with open sight. No, I didn't. And they've got maimed animals everywhere. I know.

I'm not saying that. I know what the gun can group and shoot and how well and how little it drops. And you've already got the load built. I have a load built. I just need to get the sight picture that my – I'm the first one to admit it. 200 yards is going to be a stretch with whatever I shoot at, open sight or red dot. Especially through a dark window or a screen. Yeah. Can I ask you something? Yeah. Did your existing muzzle loader have a tapped barrel for a front sight? Yeah. That's huge. I just had a conversation with a member. So this – Matt, an hour ago. You need that. His is not. So this is what we're going through. Mine's a remnant. So I've got a buddy that I took – mine had a scoped setup. But then remember, I have an open sight on the end that's attached to the muzzle brake. And I take this muzzle brake off and put this other muzzle brake on that has the open sight. Okay.

Like it's an awkward system. But you've got to have a system like that. Oh, yeah, you do. And these ones are tapped, which is awesome. Before, I always thought just the Paramount had that tapped setup. But it's not the case. And so anyway, and that might have been several years ago back when I was looking at the tool. But every CVA we've ordered has a rail, whether you do a scope. Comes with a rail. Yeah, you can take the rail off. You can do an open sight rear P. You can put an open sight on the rail. Their front sight is tapped for whatever you want. So if you don't want nothing there, if you want to use a red dot, you're set. Or if you want to go to Nevada or Colorado or New Mexico and you need open sights, they've got that option. We did it their way through. I was just teasing you, but I didn't even get your goat. To me? Yeah, I blew right by you. What?

I talked about the dark window or the screen. Yeah, well, I thought my eyes were failing me. You know, I'm not going to – well, I was – You had projects over the weekend. Yeah, but I was looking through a window at about 30 feet through my house. At the golf course or people on the golf course. I'm not going to say which direction I was pointing the gun, Jason. I'm not. Okay. It could have been right at the next – well, my truck through the window. Possibly, but you never looked that way, but okay. This time I was. But, yeah, I found out afterwards I was looking through a mesh screen in that window. So you got done and you're like, dude, I've got problems. Yeah, I'm like, my eyes suck. My eyes suck through this open peep crosshair. That doesn't stick out very good.

And then as I'm having breakfast the other day, I walked over to that window and I realized it had a mesh screen up underneath it. And you're not blind. So I've got a new lease on life. 50-year-old eyes are not as bad as you think they are. I'm as good once as I ever was. That's right. Why don't you run through real quick, Devin, splatter just a few of the models that we have so that people here, and they're in the muzzleloader market, they can maybe give us a call. Yeah, we covered several price points. We got Optima's V2s. That's going to be, you know, your entry model. The ramrods attached, I've shot one just like that before, and I like it. Same model, but with a thumb hole. That's awesome. John really likes that one. He does. Different colors. You could do black, stainless steel, bronze. I got that one. My kids got that one. I remember you watched me shoot .200 offhand. Oh, yeah.

Open sight. With a fiber optic front. Big old sight. That was impressive. Yeah, big old sight. I was there. It happened. Yeah. Devin, I'm like, I've got to get rid of this load. We were out there shooting rifles, and Devin's like, okay. And I'm like, I'm going to shoot that dong 200 yards. Huh?

It was impressive. So we're selling that. Very, very affordable. And those come with a, they come with rings on top of the screen. You know what I like? Okay, so I know I'm regressing, digressing, whatever you want to call it. I like the fact that when you're shooting open sight, that you don't have to have state-of-the-art $14,000 muzzleloader to shoot well. Any muzzleloader will be able to do what you can see. As good as what you can see. These modern ones. I'm not talking the old Hawkins stuff. If you get it set up. Yeah. You're talking speed differences with these, like the MRX and the LRX. That's the next two models we have. There will be some speed. Yeah. Yeah. And different breech plugs. These are going to, the LRX and MRX are going to come with Blackhorn and pellet breeches. And you take one out. Those optimists. You can't just use one for its own.

No, those optimists are with pellets. But, dude, I've shot those for, as good as I do these other ones, open sight, really. Yeah. But you can use Blackhorn in an op. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And so then you go to the MRX. You've got each breech for each, either one you want. And it's normally what, for a size barrel? 26, wasn't it, Devin? And the other one was a... Yeah. MRX is a 26. The LRX, long range, is a 30-inch barrel. And 30, in my mind, is like, I do not want to freaking take a broom out in the hills. Like, I don't want a 30-inch barrel. But your action takes up six inches or whatever. Yeah, so it's not really a lot longer than your rifle. It feels like a 24-inch rifle. Yeah. That MRX, without an action on the barrel, a 26-inch barrel, it's awesome. It's like a brush gun. Yeah, if you're hunting timber or slow-walking quakies or pines or whatever, and you're not...

I mean, the weight savings and that just... Man, I like that one. Snappy. Yeah. As Wyatt would say, like, slow-walking the pines instead of slow-driving. Instead of slow-rolling. Anyway. Yeah, a couple different colors of that. These are in stock, and we can ship them. Don't even need to go to an FFL. Yeah, don't even... You don't even have to be checked for your background. No, it's like shipping a hat. Pretty much. Pretty much. And if you go to our store... Bronson's telling me felons could use these. Is that true? I didn't say that. It feels awkward. I didn't say that. But I know people with problems. People that have had challenges. That hunt with a muzzleloader. Okay. So I don't know... Because you do not have to... I am not claiming felon or misdemeanor or first, second, third degree misdemeanor and what you can use.

So if you've got a buddy that only identifies as a muzzleloader hunter, you might want to just... Identify as a muzzleloader hunter. But yeah, Logan, he put these up on our website. So you can go to the store, see what colors, models, all that stuff. We have our own game on staff. What does the game say? Well, yeah. Felon or no felon? He's our own. He's been out for 10 years, Paul. Yes. Yeah. So I mean, come on. Don't put a guy on the spot there. Oh, okay. All right. He's going to say something and we're going to... But I'm just saying... I'm going to hold on to every word he says. Yeah. I would have... Story for another day. You got one? Oh, yeah. What? I don't know. I don't know.

It was ridiculous. It was like a known felon and he had a deer tag. And I'm like, okay, this is going to be easy. This is turnkey. I have to just go stop him in his truck and he's good to go. And the attorney's like, yeah, it's not as easy as that. You're going to have to actually... Because it could be his kid's gun. It could be his... I'm like, it's possession. Yeah, it's possession of his truck. I'm like, it's in his truck. He's like, no, I'd like to have him holding it. Sounds great. So I had to go hike by myself three miles up in and find him holding... Surveil him? Find him and approach him and talk to him and say, hey, you're a felon. You're not supposed to be having this rifle. It was the dumbest thing. That was a rifle. And he's like, I got nothing to lose, Paul. It's me and you by ourselves up here. What are you going to do about it? Exactly. All right.

Well, let's keep going, Devin. I think we're good on that. We covered it. It's just these rooms, we ship these right to your house. And if you need the scope, I mean, we've sent out scopes with these this last week. Look, Devin, we've even done a little more than that. Potentially even mounted scopes for these. Yeah, but then you have a shipping problem. We got to get cases and boxes and foam. That is a problem. I would prefer you just ship them separate. But hey, whatever. All right. I see some of these boxes show up in the mail. I wouldn't want to scope on that. All right. So we also have Fierce Rifles ordered like pallets. We got some in stock of those, too. We got some in stock. What calibers do we have in stock of a few different options? We got a Reaper. 300 drum. 6.5 Reaper. 6.5 PRCs. We're going to have more 7mm PRCs. 300 wins we got on order. I like it. Yeah. Those will be able.

You'll be able to see those here shortly, too. Stuff that we would shoot ourselves. That's what we keep going back to. Like, we don't just stock everything. If there's something unique that you like, we'd be happy to order stuff for you. But. Yeah. Well, the brands we use ourselves. It's not like we carry everything in the world. We carry what we know and what works. Yeah. Yeah. So. Well, and we also have, we've said this before, but we do have a couple bows left. You know, we've got some great promotional options through Hoyt that have given us some bows to be able to do as we see fit, you might say. We still have an RX-8 Ultra that needs a home. And a couple Alpha X30s and 33s. If anybody's interested. Dirt cheap. Give us a call. And then, hey, I think it goes without saying.

The optics of all makes and models and brands, whether it be spotting scopes, binoculars, rifle scopes, we've got it all. If you've got something you need to upgrade on a gun or your spotting scope, you've got a tag that you feel warrants, you know, stepping it up, it's the time of year to do it. We're stocked heavily. We've still got great inventory. So, give us a call on all the major optics. You know, we talk about your tag you have. If you've got a specific use in mind, species in mind, backpack, sheep hunt, backpack, mule deer hunt, elk hunt, you know, range-finding binos, whatever. Give us a call on any of that stuff. I feel like if somebody kills an elk on the Kaiba, we should give them something. What? What do you propose? Maybe even a muzzleloader. I don't know. I feel like if you kill an elk on the Kaiba, turn it into us. I feel like we're doing a major conservation effort.

What kind of saying with a shotgun slug? I don't care how it dies. It doesn't matter. I don't care. What kind of proof do we need, though? You have to have a photo with location services. Locations and date. Location services on on the photo. Picture your tag punched. It's that simple. It's all you've got to do with coyotes in Utah to prove bounty money and all that. And it has to be killed from this day forward. Send us in the lower jaw. We'll get a DNA test. If you took them out with your car, whatever. Send it in. That'd be fine. Yeah. Dead elk's a dead elk on the Kaiba. We just hope you got full coverage on that thing. All right. So let's take a little bit of a detour here. What do you got? I was just wondering if maybe we should call a good friend of yours. Hammy. No. Who's that, Devin? Why? Who is that? Oh, no. He reached out a couple years ago. Hammy?

Like the squirrel on over the hedge? His last name's Hamilton. Okay. Yeah. Anyway. Is he like the hammy as the squirrel? The ricocheting all over the place? We can get an old story maybe out of him about the old times? I was just wondering. He reached out. There's probably a lot of stories. Whoa. I don't know what he would be. Is there one you don't know? You're saying you don't know? You don't know. Is there one that would stand out? Yeah. Okay. I'll tell the story. Okay. Do you want us to call him first? Because I got his number. I was thinking maybe we could call him. I don't know. You can if you want. Maybe we'll just see what he says? Yeah. Go ahead. I don't know. Devin's willing to tell the story. Well, I know, but it's different when you've got two dudes that both have a side. Just like these guys didn't trust me last week when I told one of my epic muzzle buck stories,

and they had to call Gary to get the truth. It was the truth. It was the same as I said. I didn't get to tell my side first. Do you want to tell your side first? He can clean up pieces. It's a pretty plain story. Okay. Go ahead. I'll just say this, then you can call him. No, does it have to do? We were hiking. We were shed hunting in Arizona, and it was a bigger country than we thought. We got a little stuck. There was some runoff. What do you mean? You couldn't cross the creek. Stuck in the mud? You couldn't cross the creek. It was a raging river. Monset. Anyways, really thirsty, really hungry, and all I had was some Vienna sausages. Okay. What? Okay. There you go. What? That doesn't answer the story. And not only did you. No. That doesn't answer the story. What do you mean? You ate them? What? You might as well have been allergic to them. It messed me up. I drank the juice.

It was warm enough. It wasn't jello. It was hot? It was runny. It was like water. Oh, yeah. I'm just going to mind that. Do not. I would not recommend that. But you drank that for liquid because you were so thirsty. I know a lot of guys. And you were out of water? I know guys that have drank it. I've never done it before, but it was hot enough. Oh, yeah. You were out of water? Pretty much, yeah. I was out of water and I was like. Oh, I wonder if this tastes like. And it's salty. Yeah. I ate the sausage and there's half a cup of fluid there. What are you? I'm thinking. Pig's not. Yeah. Oh, disgusting. And it. I'm disgusted. Marty, my other friend's truck was never the same. Okay. That's the part. Did it have cloth seats? Yeah.

And did you need to change your clothes when you were done? It was close a couple of times, but it was just. We had a covert. We had to roll the window down about every 20 minutes. Okay. That's all the story. Should we call him? You can. See what he says. I got a. I want to. I'll put him on the spot. Okay. Let's do it. Let's just see if he answers. If he doesn't answer my call, then we're going to put your phone on. Okay. We can try. Okay. Here we go.

Okay. He's gone. Tell your story. His phone's off. Just tell your story, Devin. Tell your story.

Yeah. He's not even. He's not even. He's probably shed hunting. We still need to get cash to try one of those. What? Yeah. It's a muzzleloader. It was. I killed a bull in 2011. And it was the first day. And Hammy was with me. And I kind of feel bad about this. But like. I see this bull. And it's like 10 in the morning. These bulls just start cranking. On the book cliffs. The bull that ruined the book cliffs. According to Wyatt. And I didn't have my scope. Like I was just kind of walking out. Checking some stuff. And this bull's like. I can tell he's a pretty bull. You mean spotting scope. Spotting scope. Okay. I got my muzzleloader. One power scope. Yeah. And I said. Dude. He's like my helper. Right? Dude. What? He's being Hammy. Oh. Hammy. Yeah. I was like. Oh. Get your scope. Like that's a nice boy. He's like. I left it in the. I left it in the truck. Or whatever. Like dude.

What are you good for? I'm like hurry dude. That's what you're for. Yeah. Like this is your job. Yeah. I give you one job. So he takes off running. And you know. Back then we were pretty young. 2011. He's up there. And I'm waiting. Waiting. Waiting. I'm like. Where the heck is he? So I start looking for him. I go up there. And he's like. Filming himself. What? You know. And I love. 2011? Yeah. That's before selfies. It was a handheld camera. It's not before selfies. Yeah. Those cameras we used to still shoot. We used to shoot cameras. Yeah. And I went up there. I said. We ain't. We're not here to film shit. It's like. We're killing this thing. What are you doing? Yeah. So I grabbed the scope. I kind of fell back. I've done it for the gram. Yeah. But the gram's not invented yet. The gram hasn't even been born yet. I don't know what he was doing. My space. So we get moving.

I look at the bull. And I'm like. Yeah. I'm going to kill this thing. You know. And. It's kind of funny. We were. Kind of soft cow calling at him. And he had one cow. Really? And he was at 250. And I. I'm set up. And it's a one power. And I was like. It ain't happening. It might as well have been 600 yards. Yeah. And so I'm cow calling. And out of nowhere. Something moving behind us. Comes running. And it was that cow's calf. Oh. I mean. 10 feet. Stop. Me. Me. Like lost. Where's my mom? And now she's running at you? She's bombing at us. And I'm like. Here we go. No way. I pull the hammer back. And bull's right on her. I mean. It was awesome. He's running the whole way. She turns. He turns sideways. And he's moving. I'm like. I got him. Stop him. Stop him. And I'm thinking. He's going to. He's back there. Cow call. Right? He's back there with a selfie. And he just. Yeep.

Yeep. Boom. Did he stop? Or. Oh. He stopped. He was like. What the. You know. Yeah. And the smoke clears. And I'm like. What the hell was that? Yeah. The bull. He died. He tipped right over. But he just. You know. We laughed at it. Give it animal sound. At least. That's what happened. That's what Hammy did. He just. You're not a carnival worker. Not buying a storage unit. I just like. Dude. You're like. He's a great hunter. I'm like. Do you not have a cow call? Or just. Yeah. Something. Give me something. No. No. He gave him a hammy. Just. He was like. He was like. He was like an auctioneer spotter. Yeah.

I just like. It was. It was a good hammy story. His lungs were so torched from running for that scope though. After. Like walking up on him. And he was. He was tired. But. Yeah. That was the. So why did it ruin the books? What was that? Oh. Just. Was it a good one? You'll have to ask why. Was it a good one? Was it a good one? It was a nice bull. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't like. It wasn't like Ron Skronsky bull. No. That's the bull that ruined the books.

No comment. Well. Yeah. I don't know. Just.

You killed a good bull on the books. Yeah. I got the tag. You got a steal if I remember. I mean. I'm a poor college kid. We had. We paid attention to some things. And I got a tag. Yeah. For cheap. And the next year it sold somewhere else. Not for so cheap. That's what he meant. That's what he meant. That's what he meant. Oh. Yeah. He got a deal when you're back. Before. It's like a 350 bull. You're always working every angle. Before the internet. Before all the other stuff. You can bid on it from freaking Cabo San Lucas. You can bid on any tag you want now. Yeah. I did that on the phone. I was so freaking scared. I couldn't. Yeah. I won. We're talking like 2,500 bucks or something. 2,600 to be exact. Yeah. Exactly. That was awesome. Bronson. You did that. You bought a Governor Tech in Kansas. Yeah. Dirty. 1,900. I mean. What are those things going for now? 30. Stupid. 1,000. Yeah.

Pretty awesome. You look back on some of that stuff. It's kind of an interesting story. We probably said it before. But yeah. I was scouting the Henrys. We were about ready to hunt. It was October. But we were. For some reason it was October. Late October. And I remember. Because I was. We had the rifle on out there to do. And I was home. And we were calling. And I called for the next year's list of tags. Or vendors. Or groups that were going to get the tags. She says, yeah. Hasn't quite an out. But hey. One of them that got like an antelope tag or something this year. Didn't sell it. Or couldn't sell it. Yeah. So we converted it to a deer. I remember. They still have it for this year. And I'm like. You mean for this year? Like. Yeah. I like the hunts that are going on. She gave me the number. I was calling for the tags for the next year. To find out when they were going to sell.

That was back. And there was. She gives it to me. And the guy threw out. I threw something out. And at 1,900 bucks. I bought it. And I was there. It was awesome. It was like the coldest day of your life. It was. It was like. I owed Wyatt for that one. Because he said. He said. Dude. It sells in August. Oh yeah. It sold in August. Nobody's going to be in thinking. And I remember. I was working. Out of the state. And I called him. I was like. Are you going to try that? And he's like. I don't have time. I was like. Well if you're not going to. I'll do it. And he's like. Yeah. Do it. And I got it. And then he's like. Why'd you do that? I know why. That's awesome. But there's nothing. There's nothing that slips him. No. He's. He's amazing. Yeah. Anyway. Not a lot. Not a lot gets by him. He's got me looking over my shoulder at all times. For him. I mean not. I'm not. I live a good. Clean.

Conscious life. But I'm always looking for what Wyatt's. He's thinking. Yeah. I just want. That's what makes him good. That's what makes him a good hunter. He's. Not a lot escapes him. All right. Let's call it a day. This has been long enough. We're at freaking. An hour and 18 minutes. Yeah. So. Anyway. Anybody out there. Need anything. Help. On your hunts. Anything you've done. Drawing. Tag wise. If you need help. Booking hunts. Booking a hunt with a guaranteed tag. We've got plenty of outfitters. With plenty of opportunity out there. You want some gear. We're not. Selling everything. But we do. We did mention some of the big items. That we're selling. Of course. Anything optics wise. Run it by us. Before you look around. Because we'll definitely make you. A member deal. That you can't refuse. De-leo. De-leo. All right. Anything else. Pollock. Do you got any words of wisdom.

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