EP 386: The Nevada Giants Episode with a 416" Bull, 166" Ram and 209" Mule Deer

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Hey everybody, how are you today? Adam, how are you? I'm fine. John, how are you? I'm doing fine. Logan, how are you? Phenomenal. All right, let's get this thing going. That's not how we do it around here. Dude, Bronson, how about this weather? We freaking wake up to an inch of snow out there. I had an inch in my house. Yeah, I love it. It is kind of interesting. But then I was, they were talking low 20s and I was like, when does the sprinkling system freeze? I mean, as a dad, I'd like to know that. You're going to find out tomorrow morning. Yeah, I know. When they pop up. I know. So anyway, but when I woke up, I was like, 26 degrees and then I don't know, you know how it keeps going down. How does that happen when it just kind of, so it was 4 a.m.

It was 26. It was 24 later. But I love my house. Yeah. I don't know why. How does that happen when it just bottoms out at like the crack of daylight when you want to be out and about and scouting and whatnot. Anyway, whatever. Weatherman could tell us, I guess. But interesting, we got moisture out here. A lot of moist areas, Bronson, which means what? Chippet, huh? I don't know if we can say that. Chippet, chippet, chippet. Hey, when you haven't had it for so long, if you get a skiff of snow, you're kind of optimistic.

Oh. As you say, your spirits are lifted. It has changed our lives around here, quite frankly. And that follows. Well, we got an inch last week. Yeah. So let's just follow it up. Last week. We did get an inch here. Southern Utah got a lot. Like an inch of water, Bronson. No, yeah. I'm not talking snow. Like not an inch of moisture. 0.94 or something in Cedar, I think. 0.9 something. So. I mean, places in Nevada that didn't, I didn't even know they had rain gauges. Had registered moisture content. Had registered moisture. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's pretty interesting. Some of the places they have rain gauges, I'm like, why would you do that? Yeah. That's a waste of government funds. I can tell you, it's dry. It never rains. It never rains. But then we go look at all the road cameras, you know, the.

N dot or whatever they call it. N dot or whatever. And it's kind of fun. You got cameras that got water on them and whatnot. And you're like, oh, yeah. This is going to be a good year. Anyway, so there's a lot of positivity out there. I don't know what it is, Bronson. Maybe the light winters in Wyoming. Spring in general is full of optimism. It's a chance to have new life. Every deer and elk get a shed they're out. There's every busted tang is now laying on the dirt somewhere and they get a redo it. Okay. I like it. They get a regrowth. I like it. But when we can relate that to ourselves, right? Broken people could have a new life. Yeah, exactly. And add to it, we're in a hundred draws and they're not out yet. And so hope is just everywhere in the air. Bursting.

And there's people I know that have really good luck sitting at this table. And I'm not going to root for you, Bronson. At some point you can come clean. It doesn't have to be on this podcast. You'll see pictures later this fall. I like it. I like it. All right. But hey, we're still waiting on lots. Like John said, that's part of the optimism. It feels like we have to apply for a new state deadline every five to seven days right now. So it's like, give me some results, but let's follow it up with some. I mean, it's mostly going to be negative. But remember, it's going to mostly be negative when it comes out. But until it isn't, until that happens, you're full of optimism. It's like on Dumb and Dumber. So you're telling me I got a chance. And we're still in that. Exactly. That's my motto. That's right. One in a million. I look at one in a million as like realistic opportunity.

And then I get mad because I lost 50-50 in the Montana General. Yeah. I was one of the – so I have two points. I was one of the – let's call it what last year, Bronson? 84% drew. Yeah, 16% didn't. Okay. With two points. This year might have been a little higher. Probably a tougher to draw. So let's call it 70% draw. 30% didn't draw. I'll bet it's higher than that. Okay. Thanks for that. Thanks for that. You're one of the only person next year going in the draw that has three points. I don't know many people. Without the outfitter point. I mean, what do you say? So anyway. Hey, speaking of odds though, we've joked about it in the past. In fact, I think we gave away a muzzleloader or something to – or we offered to and maybe we didn't have to. Did we give somebody that drew a Copper State tag a prize a year or two ago?

We didn't have to come clean on it because we didn't have anybody call in. That's right. But we didn't even offer this year. And I got a call. We got a call from a member. Yeah. His wife drew one of the elk tags. He had a great call. I'll tell you what. They're excited about that. It's going to be a good tag to have. If things work in their favor, I mean, they have a real chance at a monster. Well, yeah. It's kind of unique that they do different seasons based on different Copper State draws. The one – remember, the one elk hunts are like in December through February some years. And then this one's the one that's like August 1 through October. First week in October. 15. So he can hunt before this year's GovTag start. How about that? And the deer guy that drew the strip, whoever that is, please call in. We'd love to know who you are. We'd love to give you a decal.

I mean, you are in front of – well, let's call it the 26-27 Governor Deer Tech. Because they start August 14th. Yeah, 15th or whatever. Yeah, 15th and go to the following 14th. And he gets a 14-day head start on that. But anyway, congrats to you. But hey, there's a living, breathing person at the end of these odds. That's the bottom line. Well, most of them anyway. I don't know. We know of one. Yeah. We know of one. Most likely all of them, Drew. All of them have a living person holding on to that tag. Anyway, as we get started here, we want to thank Outdoor Edge for a partnership with us. Great knives. Great products. We've dealt with them for how many years, John? Let's call it 15. Yeah. A lot of years. A lot of years. Yep. Great products. And I just like to – Got something in the works, don't we? Yeah. I mean, just a teaser for maybe later in the year.

I also would like to shout out their APX, that new knife. If you're looking for a new one for this year, replaceable blade. It's got a place for the blades, new ones in the handle or used ones, whatever. Yeah. But it's an awesome knife. No joke. Awesome knife. Yeah. Always thinking of new stuff. Ingenuity. They get a lot of ideas. They implement them quick. Functionality. I don't know why it is. I'm just so excited. And I really – let's just be honest. Getting us in here in a podcast, Logan, how do you – This is probably the best – Is it fun to do that? Logan? To be the wrangler for podcasts? It's the least favorite part of my job, I think. And what's funny is – I just told you the best time to do it, though, is the day after a magazine goes to printer, which was yesterday. This was the easiest day because you guys brought it up.

Well, I brought it up yesterday and set an alarm, and then Logan again, Bronson, what does he do? He comes in and says, podcast? We still on for 2 o'clock. I think that if I bring it up, you guys just prolong it out of spite just to make it harder. It's not that way. It is not that way. The dimensions leaving our life, meaning a magazine goes to printer, the next one is our last magazine. For the statistical side. For all the state mags that are going to be done. Those are moments. Moments. In the spring. Hey, when you can count those moments left in your life on – let's call it both hands, Bronson. How many more years do we have in us? Hey, we're as good once as we ever have. I mean, yeah, once, not 10 more times. So anyway, maybe 10 more times. How about that? Bronson, we have 10 more moments in us. Do it.

All I know, Logan, you come the day after a magazine goes to print, you're going to get fed. You want a podcast? You're going to get it. You're going to get it. It was like butter today. I enjoyed it. That's right. I appreciate it. Smooth. Thank you. Soaky smooth. Spirits lifted. It's like every day of the week. Podcast? Podcast? Podcast? All right. Moving right along. So, Bronson, let's get started here. We just, I don't know, in light of the most recent magazine that actually you can go on and view. And by the way, this new one that Adam's talking about that we just sent to the printer. By the time you hear this. John, we're going to be coming out today, right? It'll be live. By the time you hear this. We pushed you slightly, just more or less, I don't know, because we're excited. Is that? Sorry, John. Yep. What are you working on right now?

I'm getting the website ready for it to be live. John, multitasking. Multitasking. By the time this is live, it will be, e-mag will be up. But the paper mag in your hand is the April mag. That's what we're talking about. So, with all the excitement, the April magazine covered Nevada. Just because it did it, Nevada, Montana, sheep, moose, goat, bison, antelope, as well as Kansas. I don't know. Let's dial up a guy that we have a Nevada elk story in this publication. What do you think, Bronson? It's a wild bull. I mean, it's one of the craziest bulls you'll ever see. We've had a lot of feedback and questions on social media. Yeah, this is an awesome bull. Let's get a story. It is no joke.

Flyers that fork. Yeah, it's kind of wild. Anyway, you'll have to see it. There are angles of this bull. It's just like, wow. Anyway, people are like, whoa, where'd that come from? Was that on some kind of high fence somewhere? No. No. This is wild. And you know what? Quite frankly, in Nevada, I don't even think they have a single high fence in Nevada. No. And mostly public land. That state's got more public land than about anywhere. Pretty awesome. Crazy bull. Wild bull. I'd like to. I'm looking forward to this story. Mike Cardinal killed it. Let's give him a call and let's hear it. Hear it from his own mouth. Hello.

Mike, Jason Carter, Natta Bronson here. John as well. Logan here at the Epic Outdoors podcast. How are you? Oh, I'm pretty good. How are you? We're doing good. Sorry. It's been a minute. Just trying to get schedules coordinated and whatnot. Mostly on our end. Oh, I'm sure you guys are super busy at this time of year. Yeah, just dealing with applications and magazines and whatnot. Anyway, we love your story. What a giant bull you killed there in Nevada. Just kind of wanted to allow you to tell us the story on it. Any history that you know on it or anything that you'd like the listeners to hear. Of course, you can only put so much on paper. And it's far from probably the entire story. And so, anyway, it's just awesome, especially where Nevada's applications are open and people are applying. And it just gets everybody excited to go ahead and apply for Nevada. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, and thank you guys very much. I appreciate you guys putting my story in the magazine. That was kind of a little icing on the cake for the whole deal in the first place. Well, it's a no joke bull. I haven't seen anything like it. Have you seen anything like it, Mike? You've been hunting Nevada your whole life. I know. I've seen deer like that. Where? Matter of fact, I was born and raised down in one of your favorite countries to hunt deer, Jason. I'm from Caliente. Oh, I love Caliente. Yeah. I love all that country right there. That is deer Mecca of Nevada. Right. Right. No, I never. The craziest part about the story about my bull is none of us seen that bull during camera season or out glassing or anything. That bull showed up. I sat on water in a blind. We chose to go that route because of how hot it was, and we didn't have no moisture hardly at all.

We didn't have a winter or nothing that year. Yeah. So my buddy Robert that's in the story, he said, I think your best bet would be to sit water because of how hot it's been. And they've got to come to water. They've got to either be traveling to look for cows and stop for water or whatever, but a big bull's going to show up to water eventually. Yeah. You had the archery tag, right, for the people listening to you, an archery tag? Yes, I did. Yeah. Hot. Early. August. Right. So the morning, so I started sitting water the opening morning, and the fifth morning, Robert called me and said, I just found a ridiculous bull that just fed out of the trees into a burn. And the water I was sitting, an old burn, had burned up around that old spring. And so there was a tree line straight above me to the south that some bulls would go bed in.

And then in the early mornings and in the early evenings, they'd feed out into that burn. But we'd never seen that bull ever until the day I shot him. Jeez. Wow. And not like nobody knew of the bull from the year prior? Sure. I mean, you guys know Jake and Thomas and all them guys out there that guide. Yeah. None of them guys and nobody they know have ever seen that bull before either. Yeah. With such a crazy, especially right side, like, you'd think he'd be somewhat resembling, but maybe he changed so much that he went from 310 to what he is. Yeah. And just went so crazy that nobody recognized the change. I don't know. Right? We chased a bull one year that went, we figured, like, 330 went to 440 over one year. Like, and that was goofy. And it was such a recognizable bull the year prior in 2001. Okay, that dates me a little. Wow. But anyway, and we still have the video of it, obviously.

Anyway, just saying, like, it could have been like that what you're talking about. It's just a bull that no majorly distinguishing characteristic. And went from boy to man. Yeah, and threw these flyers and who knows? You know, maybe bumped it weird. Who knows? Exactly. But, yeah. That's what we're thinking happened to him. Had to be something like that. Or there'd be sheds or there'd be somebody with video about, hey, I saw your bull here. You know, get away or whatever. Yeah. He's dead, so there's no secrets to keep. So I figured some, you know, hey, I got video of that bull from such and such year. I found some sheds off that bull because there's plenty of people that go shed hunting on about every hillside out here. It happens all the time. Exactly. So your buddy called you or whatever, I don't know, after you got out of the blind.

And it was this bull that he saw go in the trees that day? Is that? He fed out in the morning. He was watching a group of cows and some smaller bulls. So he had gone back to work after we got camp set up. They pulled their trailer out for me to set up camp close to where I wanted to hunt. And I was out there pretty much by myself for four days. And he'd come back out that morning that he got off of work. And he texted me. He said, you and your blind? And I said, yeah. He said, I just found a pretty ridiculous bull we need to keep an eye on. And he knew I was going to get kind of retarded on it if I knew exactly what it was. So he kind of kept moving it to us. Yeah. A little bit. He said, I'm not going to tell you everything about him, but he's got a dang good frame on him. And you need to be ready to shoot him if he comes to water.

So he watched him go back in the trees after he fed that morning and didn't put him to bed. But he was pretty sure he was sleeping up in them trees. And he went back to camp. Actually, he came down and helped me fix up a little bit of the blind just to make sure we recovered. And then he went back to camp and met our buddy Tony. And they went back up on that glass and the two of them and watched until he fed back out that evening. And Robert said, you've got a group of cows that he looks interested in. So I'm going to keep an eye on them cows. And they look like they're definitely interested in coming to your water. So them cows ended up making their way to water. And the wind was swirling around in that water hole that evening. And they blew out of there two different times. They blew out once and then come back and finished water. And the wind swirled again. They blew out again.

And the next thing I look over on my phone on the ground of the blind. And he says, what are you doing in there? You're running them cows out of there. And I said, it's not my fault. The wind won't behave. So he said, yeah, that bull picked his head up that second time. Them bulls come flying out or them cows come flying out of there. But he put his head back down. So get ready. He's probably going to come. Oh, my God. Jeez. The last text I got from him is he's coming. I give him five minutes. I'm not going to text you until you let me know. That's wild.

You're knocked up. Oh, yeah. Release is on the loop. Here we go. Guys, I never had more parts of my body get numb. Yeah, that's a problem. I'm not sure how I'd react to that. There's sometimes you can be ice. And there's sometimes it just doesn't help you. That is almost a bad text. I mean, I still get warmed up. Honestly, I wish I had the story. I mean, I'm glad it went down the way it did. Because, I mean, a bull like that, you don't want to get away from it. But, I mean, I was bugging Robert. Man, I want to get out of here. I want to go bugle. I want to cow call. I want to have, you know, video. These bulls going crazy. He's like, they're really not that active right now. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, just be patient. Stay in the water. So, I knew he was right. So, I stayed on that water. Stayed in that blind. And thank God I did. Jeez. So, was he right? Five minutes?

Or what did it go from there after the text? I literally, so I looked down and read that text. And I turned the screen off to my phone and I literally looked up over my left shoulder. And I heard some crunching on the ground. And I looked through a little tiny window over my left shoulder and seen a front part of his antler. Or like his two, one and two coming through the bushes. And I was like, well, I don't know if it's him, but there's a bull here. So, I, the, the ceiling of that blind had been caved in from the snow. And we didn't want to mess with it too much because we didn't want to make a whole bunch of noise around there. When we went in to fix it up. So, we kind of, I just told myself, I need, I know I need to draw facing forward. And I'm going to have to swing to my left if I got to shoot out this left window. And that's exactly what I ended up having to do. Wow.

And, and we're, of course, when he walked out, his right side was facing me. And I, the first thing that popped in my head is, what does he do? Got a branch stuck in his horns? Oh, yeah. Doesn't look right. There's nothing configured like an elk antler on that right side. For sure. But, uh, he's coming to water. The wind, fortunately, must have held long enough. Or tell us about that. Um, the wind still was swirling around in there. But, um, we go back and we watch a couple of videos Robert took. And he favored that right side because we don't, we think he didn't want to poke himself in the ribs. He started to learn how to kind of keep, keep all that junk away from his rib cage. And so he'd come out there. He'd come out there and he didn't want to, he didn't want to whip to his right side. So I got lucky that he'd come on that side.

And, uh, I made a little noise pivoting around with my left leg underneath me to get to that side. And I knew exactly where he stopped was at 30 yards. So I, I did exactly what I told myself I had to do. I threw forward, swung to the left. As soon as he stopped and kind of looked around, I just let one fly and I could hurt it. I heard it smack him. And he ran like 10 feet in front of my blind, smashing through all that water and mud.

What did you think of him? Like, what were you thinking? Did you have enough? You saw enough and then you just quit looking at it like that doesn't look real.

At the, yeah, at the time he walked out, like I said, I thought he had branches. And then once he got out there and I seen that he actually, it was his antlers. I was like, the first thing that popped in my head was Robert, you sucker. You knew exactly what was coming in and me and you kept it to your shot. He just didn't know how to explain it. What do you, what would you say? Yeah. I've got a bull that looks like a caribou and a moose. I probably shoot him, but. Get a better look when he gets close. He's probably got 15 points on one side. Yeah, since this is an audio only podcast, do your best to describe it. Forking cheaters in lines. Flyers off the back. Monster mass, knurled off point. Giant sword. Yeah. I heard a couple guys say it looked like he was a caribou on the one side. Yeah. That's what he looks like. Yeah, like he's got a back scratcher that forks, you know. Yeah.

So if he dies, so he dies, does he die in front of you there? Did you see him go down? So he ran across about 10 feet in front of my blind. I watched him and I was so dumbfounded that I didn't even try to cow call. I just watched him run away. He ran below and he actually fell into another one of them mud holes. And I thought for sure if he's hit good, he's going to not be able to climb out of there. And he climbed out of there and that got me nervous.

And, uh, yeah, I finished, I watched him run off into the burn down below me and, uh, just text Robert. I said, Hey, I put an arrow in that bull. And he said, are you cow calling? And I said, Oh yeah, I guess I better do that. So I can at least, at least stop him. No, I wasn't. So yeah, I did start cow calling and, and, uh, I waited to see what he wanted to do. And he says, I think we're going to climb down off here and we're going to make our way that way. Cause it was about 30 minutes, uh, with the time of them climbing down to the trucks and then making the drive over to me. And of course I literally had 30 minutes of legal light left from the time I shot that bull to the time he took off. The sun was already down behind the mountains. So, so, so yeah, keep going with it. So they, they finally made, I got out of the blind and went and looked for my arrow. Um, couldn't find it.

I didn't see it when he ran, ran past me, but I did see a blood spot already. And I could tell when he ran past me that I hit him back a little far, but I knew he was quartered away from me a little bit too. So I knew I wasn't in too much trouble. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it made me nervous that he climbed out of that mud hole. I walked around, looked for blood, looked for arrow. Couldn't find either. Robert Tony showed up and Robert found a little speck of blood right there where he climbed up out of that mud hole. And we tried to pick it up again. And I thought, I was telling them guys, he ran through a certain spot where he climbed out of that dirt tank and into the burn. And I was wrong. So actually we made the decision to, to leave him lay overnight. Cause we didn't want to bump him. Cause on the, on the way in there, those two heard a bugle.

And I thought, man, I thought I heard it too, but we didn't want to bump him. So we went back to camp and made a game plan for those guys to go back up on that. Well, actually Robert climbed back up on that glass and point. We decided for me to get back in the blind because he didn't get a chance to drink. So we thought if he was, if he was hurt, he was probably going to definitely want to get water. Yeah. So I went climb back in, in the blind, Tony and another buddy, Mikey, that was out there, um, went down below and glassed up in that burn. And once sun come up, uh, nobody reported seeing him on the foot. So we all met right back there at the, at the, uh, water hole. And actually Mikey and Tony came and Tony found, uh, blood within just a couple minutes of them getting there. So him and Mikey got on a good blood trail and I stayed off to the side with a knocked arrow.

And you're not going to believe this, but that bull. So we got into the patch of live trees and I, I was marking blood on onyx and we got about 60 yards into the trees. And Tony says, Hey, he's laying up there in front of us, get up here in front of us in case he gets up. And of course we walked over and, uh, I'm sure one of the pictures you guys see them, the emotions took over after that. Um, but yeah, he, he literally died about 180 yards above where I was parking my truck to walk up to that blind. Oh, wow. He was dead the night before. Yeah. Right. Jeez. Well, that's better, better that than, yeah. You know, bump him that night and he runs, you know, elk can cover a mile and a half in about three minutes. Elk are tough. It can happen. You know. Right. Well, with, with us, you, so there was, there was, uh, another six by seven that I was perfectly happy with, uh, harvesting.

That was up on that same hillside and then hitting that water and stuff. And his bugle was very, very similar to the bulls, to the bull that I killed the bugle. So we're thinking that six by seven, let a bugle out up on that other side in the burn. And we thought it was him. Yeah. Wow. Well, so there he is. You walk up and tell us about that, that moment. So. Laying your hands on him. Yeah. I, I, I let the, uh, I went up and put hands on him and I, I was just like, I can't believe this is happening. I, I mean, I seen what he was when I put an arrow through him and when he ran past me, but walking up on him guys was. Unbelievable. It's, yeah, it's definitely one of them. And I'm, I'm just an average guy. I'm not nothing special that like, I don't, I don't get up every day and put my running shoes on and go getting ready for going out in the hills, making all these heavy pack outs. I just.

You're going to go. I, yeah, I just want to go hunting. I want to, I want to kill good stuff, but I never in my life thought that I'd be putting my hands on, on that caliber of a bull for sure.

Sometimes you're that guy. And there's something about Nevada. Like I can almost. So looking at his story, we got it up here on the big screen. I mean, I can almost smell Nevada. I just love, I don't know what it is. There's something special about Nevada. Well, and there's just so vast. And like I said, dominated by public land. You call it Eastern Nevada, especially 99% or 98 on every unit. It feels like, I mean, there's very little private. But so you just, what you find, you can go after it almost everywhere. Not a ton of pressure. No. Not a ton of pressure. Good long season. Older age structure. And, you know, freaks like this can happen. And we had, we had some hunters roll through here and there. But, yeah, no, there wasn't hardly anybody out there really hanging out. We were pretty much the only outfit hanging out there. And I say outfit, just group of buddies.

I worked for Jake in the hunting season, just glassing. But none of this had anything to do with any outfits or anything. So that was the funner part about it, just me and a couple of good friends. Right place, right time. And you're the guy, man. I mean, it's as simple as that. So I'll take it. Absolutely. Sometimes the guides need one here and there. Yeah. You know? Right. Sometimes it's about you. It's so awesome. Yeah. So tell us, I mean, I obviously, we kind of, we know what he ended up going. But for everybody that's listening, tell us a little bit of the statistics on him, just because it is pretty, he's pretty special. So are you wanting, like when I scored, when we got him scored? All that all good stuff. Whether you guys did it or whether you've even officially scored him, whatever. I mean, none of that. Just, yeah, where'd he go? How big's this bull?

He's, he netted 394 and 7.8s and he grossed 316 and 7.8s. 416. Or, I mean, sorry, my bad, 416 and 7.8s. And basically kind of a five by one side. Yeah, his net got hurt a little bit because of the, more or less a five point frame on the other side. A little six. I took, I took quite a bit of a dinger on that five, yeah. But, I mean, he's just. It was only like two inches on his, on his short side, but. Yeah. He made, he made, he made up for it. You guys know Slade Sanborn, right? Yeah, we do. Yeah, he's, he's the guy that, that did the scoring for me. That's awesome. So 416 and 395 net. Yeah, 395 net. That's what I remember. What, a two inch fifth on that five point side, two inch, which he's technically six, right? Yeah, so. Yeah. Uh-huh. Pretty amazing. I mean, and a look of, a one of one look. Oh, yeah. Then the right side, how many scoreable on there? I can see 10.

So, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10? 10 on that right side? Yeah. 10, got a great big fork and flyer and then monster mass, like, like, like, like across the face of a dude. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, as wide as your head. Your arm. I don't know. Just wild. Right there in that picture where I got my hand showing the mass. We're pretty sure that that's probably where he bumped at some point in the velvet and started getting all that crazy stuff coming out. Basically, another beam basically started right now. Yeah. Basically. Yep. Wow. Behind the third, you got the fork and flyer. And behind the sword, you got another mini beam, basically. It's just unique. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. Pretty fun. Pretty crazy. Well, man, congratulations. That keeps you going.

I mean, it doesn't have to happen to have a named bull or a, you know, scouting plan and everybody in place and be this where he feeds in and out every night. Sometimes it's just okay. It's okay to get lucky for guys that are working hard. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I really appreciate everything from you guys for putting my story in your magazine. I'm happy that I got him killed. I'm happy I'll have him in my house. And then my buddy, Robert, texted me. He's like, dude, check this out. And he sent me a text. It showed me that you guys put my story. I was like, right on. That's pretty dang awesome. And we're glad we got him in there. We're proud to have him in there. And we sure appreciate you as well. Letting us do it. Letting us showcase him. It's one of the best of the year last year. Yeah. It sure is. And, of course, you guys seen that I got the gold buckle.

So there's a little bit more icing on the cake. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty awesome. Yeah. And you call it a gold buckle. I mean, did you get first on that one? I did get first. First place. So maybe you can talk about that a little bit. Nevada gives these silver buckles. And it's kind of a big deal. I wish all the states did it. It's like one of those things you want. Yeah. For all species. So Nevada, they do bronze, silver, and gold. So they do first, second, and third on all species, I'm pretty sure. But it's on a silver buckle, right? Like a silver belt buckle. I actually haven't seen what they look like. I just know my buddy Robert said that he'd give a gold, silver, and bronze buckle out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So you have to submit if you want to have the chance. I'm sure there was word around that there was two other bulls possibly bigger than mine on non-typical. But like you said, if you don't submit to Boone and Crockett in the state of Nevada, then it won't get put up there.

Yeah. Pretty awesome. Pretty incredible. Pretty incredible. Pretty awesome. I don't know what it is. They've kind of got that Nevada record book, and they've got a little Instagram page. In fact, I was just going to it real quick. It does have the results listed anyway. But, yeah, there you are. Number one, 394 and 7.8. Number two is Chris Griego, 378 and change on a non-typical net. And then Maddox, he'll slop, 377 and change. So just awesome. Congratulations. And, yeah, what's next? Are you going to smash another giant this year, deer-wise or antelope or who knows? I did have a muzzleloader deer tag last year. I didn't kill a monster. It was like 173, but it was my first time ever applying for muzzleloader deer. And I drew it over that 114, 115 link muzzleloader. That was probably one of the funner hunts I've been on. Yeah, that's a November season, just a lot of fun.

Were they rutting during your season there? They were. The day I actually harvested, they were starting to rut really good. Yeah. Dang, so you burned two species points last year down to zero, huh? I did. Luckily, you can turn right back in and put in for deer. No waiting period on that. Robert said, knowing my luck, I'll turn around and draw one of them moose tags this year. Yeah. You probably got max points, which is what, one or two? Exactly. Two points now. Yeah, I got max two points for sure. We actually had a moose submitted and put it in our Nevada section. Yeah, we did. We did, yeah. Oh, I did see that. Yeah, pretty awesome. Never know. Looked a lot like your bull. Right?

All right. Yeah. Sounds good. Wish you luck in the draws, you and your family. You'll do something again. We'll hear back from you. Thank you very much. All right. Talk to you later. All right. Thanks, guys. Bye. Bye.

There you go, Carter. You just got to be out in the field. I mean, something good can happen. I mean. I think it's awesome. It's awesome. Refreshing when a non-known animal in these western states that are pretty. It's pretty competitive with the guides and outfitters and whatnot. And just like you said, like just one of the boys gets one once in a while. You know? It's pretty awesome. And it's a gut bull. I mean, everybody would shoot that bull. Oh. He's unbelievable. He's pretty special. Yeah. Let's jump right into another story, Bronson. This would be Zach Camino killed a great ram. Also in our story, just an awesome story. I don't know. He's a – him, his family, they've been members forever. Good people. We know him from way back. Mexico. That's right. So, anyway, maybe let's give him a call. He's available at the moment. See what he has to say. I love all these stories.

I think it's awesome.

This is Zach. Hey, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the crew here, Epic Outdoors. How are you? I'm doing good, man. How are you guys? Good. Good. How's Friday treating you? Oh, pretty good. I'm still on Cloud Mountain about this sheep hunting. I mean, you can't get me down. Just wish it came around a little more regular. I know, exactly. We're waiting on those New Mexico results to hopefully treat us right. Your state's been a little stingy with us here at Epic. Well, at least on the sheep side of things. We've done fair on other animals. So, anyway. Yeah. Yeah, we're waiting for results there in New Mexico. Have you heard anything?

Well, I mean, you always hear things on an open Monday at this point. But if they make us wait until Wednesday, that's fine, I guess. Yeah. We've got spoiled. They've been a week early, it seems like, for a lot of weeks in a row now. So, now we expect it, right? And we're mad when they're not a week early. Yeah, we got it. Well, I mean, I just – they're kind of like – I don't know. So, we have friends in the department here and there, but they're like, yeah, we spoiled you guys in the past. We're like, heaven forbid we'd be excited. We're kind of excited. Yeah.

It's okay. It could be worse. We could – it could be like Wyoming elk and deer. Yeah. There you go. Good point. That is a good point. All right. Well, tell us a little bit. Maybe walk us through your hunt from getting the tag and doing the scouting, of course, phone work and everything, and then making the trip and making the most of it. Yeah. I mean, really, that's the whole story. There was hardly any hunting involved, honestly. I mean, it all started about a year ago, I guess, now since Nevada's coming out here in a month. But, you know, draw the tag. And I think pretty much for the first week, you're just kind of in shock. You don't even want to tell anybody because you still just can't believe it yourself. Yeah. Especially – I mean, I'm so – I mean, I'm 27. I mean, a lot of people probably hate me for him. John, is he over the threshold of where – He's 27.

He's not eligible to draw a sheet tag. No, he needs to be 30. 30? John doesn't like the young fellers and gals getting tags. Yeah. I mean, exactly. John, do you hate the youth, John? No, but I'll break in with just a really quick story. I was talking to a guy whose 17-year-old drew a tag, and he said, geez, you know, he didn't really even know what he had. But if I had my way, I'd make it so you couldn't draw until you were 30. And I was like, amen, brother. Well, I drew a Utah bison tag when I was 15. So I couldn't even drive my own truck. Yeah. So there is – There's some validity. Well, back then it was 16 years old. I don't know what states are now. Yeah. But anyway, I was like, there is some validity. I remember it. I do remember it. Do you? And I appreciate it, but not like – Not like today. Maybe not like today. Yeah. You know. All right. Because you're relying on dad to drive you.

You're relying on dad to help you make decisions instead of just like, I'm a grown man. I'm going to go kill me a bison. Elk and deer tags for the youngsters.

Maybe some – Cottontails or something. Yeah. I mean, to make matters even worse, I mean, it's probably the most – one of the most coveted tags in Nevada, if not the United States. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just absolutely crazy that it happened with eight points. But – Wild. Super happy it did. And also, I mean, going into it, I mean, I knew I was young. And like you guys just said, I was like, I mean, I know there's, you know, 60-year-old people out there like waiting their whole life for this. So, I really did want to make the most of it. So, yeah. I mean, after the first week of just getting over, like, you know, waking up in the middle of the night dreaming about it, you know. I can't believe I'm going to get a chance to go hunt sheep, you know. So, that's when I started to make, you know, all my phone calls.

You know, I think I called you, Jason, probably right around a week after and, you know, picked your brain on it. And you guys were good enough to give me some numbers. I picked all their brains on it. Yeah. I mean, just – yeah. I mean, it's just a lot of legwork there in the beginning. And, you know, normally I'm not the guy to go out there and set cameras and stuff. But I think, Jason, you're kind of – you're like, well, you better go do it. I'm like, oh, geez. All right. So, you know, you're out there. Yeah. It's June, July in Nevada where it's 100 degrees, you know, 10 in the morning, setting cameras. Ronson, you and I have been out there and it's been 110. The hottest place I've ever had to endure during multiple, multiple days is down those valleys. Running cameras in the middle of July. And you worry, like, if I have a vehicle breakdown, I mean – It's going to catch fire.

You can call all of you, but you want it. That thing's going to be burnt to ass before anybody got it. Is that what you felt, Zach? It's wild. So hot. It was so hot. I mean, it was – I think I went there at the end of June and I was the first person to put cameras up. Yeah. Which was just kind of surprising to me. Of course, I went back – I think I went back like three weeks later to get them just because I was so worried they were going to get stolen or something. I didn't want all my time to get wasted. Yeah. And by then, I think only one guy did set cameras. So, I mean, it was just kind of weird, you know. And I think that guy had them set for the Silver State tag. Yeah. Some of those it makes – some of those tags, it makes sense where you can hunt a little bit sooner. But, you know, we were hunting in November.

I actually think a lot less people have kept running cameras for sheep because it is a brutal endeavor in the summer. And it's not quite as meaningful, but it is nice to know what you've got on the landscape. Yeah, I would still do it. But, yeah, you pull them down by July 31, and now you've got, you know, four months or whatever before you can actually hunt. Did you get some good rams on camera? You know, it was pretty – It's a little early. I think the biggest ram I got – I mean, I think I got a few rams that were, you know, right in the mid-six. And I definitely didn't get anything like in the 70s for sure. Yeah. For sure, for sure. But, I mean, I – you know, luckily I got to, you know, got pictures, and so it gave me a reason to reach out. I mean, also when you draw a tag like this, like maybe four or five outfitters reach out to you right away. Yeah. I mean, it's just insane.

Yeah, yeah. But you start to feel pretty special for sure. But anyway, that particular outfitter didn't reach out to me, so it gave me an excuse to kind of reach out to him. And he was, you know, super – I mean, just – he let me pick his brain as much as you possibly could being an outfitter. So, I mean, I can't thank that guy enough for sure. That guy was super helpful and just good things in the hunting community, man. Just a lot of good people. And, you know, that guy wished me the best of luck. And he told me – I mean, he was like, I knew that a young guy drew it, so I didn't even bother to reach out. He said that? Yeah. So, he was pretty cool. But anyway, yeah. So, I mean, I think, like I said, you know, I might have got maybe two rams mid-60s. But with that being said, I mean, I probably got 50 rams on camera, just something I'm not used to. Yeah.

I've been guiding Colorado sheep the last three years. And, I mean, seeing something like that was just incredible. Wow. Colorado, you guide and, you know, you see a ram every four days maybe. Yeah, that's right. It sounds good. But, yeah.

So, you know, went back out there three weeks later, grabbed the cameras, you know, looked over the rams. Like usual, I mean, you send them out to 10, 15 people trying to pick their brains on what they think they go. I mean, the best, you know, people that look at sheep all the time, they still struggle, you know, looking – judging rams and stuff like that. So, I think it's good to really get out there and put some pictures out there and just get everybody's best guess on, you know, for sure. It's not – definitely not an easy animal to judge, for sure. Yeah. It is tough. That's the one thing. I mean, Adam, you've gotten good at it over the years. But it's just one of those things where mass is everything. It's hard to judge those bases and really get a feel. And then I think, obviously, location to location to location, the look varies a bit. Yeah.

Yeah, they do definitely from there to New Mexico to Utah that rams are built different and configured different. And in certain units in Nevada, they have a lot of uniformity. And others in Nevada, you can kill completely different looking rams. Yes. We've done that. We've done it. Like low drop and deep, you know, 15 and a half inch basers that are 180 plus that's like six years old. And then you've got a tight little 13-inch base that looks like a fist or big ram. That looks like a stud. And he's 155 or 16. Yeah. And it's just interesting. When you have a lot of sheep, you get – I guess just like people. You've got people in a crowd. You've got a big, wide – they can vary a lot even within a unit. But generally down there in that 263, you know, they're usually fairly similar looking, I would say. Yeah.

There's not as varied looks there as there is in some of the units I've got in Nevada. But – Some of those bears rams are just different. Yeah. They can look different over there. Even Muddy's rams will look different. Yeah. They can be different too. But – so anyway, so then you had a long wait. You had to go home and I guess guide and hunt and do whatever else for a few months before November, huh? Get a game plan. Yeah. So I also drew a Wyoming elk tag that took 16 points and they wouldn't let me return it. No. You've got to get sick. You've got to get sick and have a doctor note or something. Yeah. So, you know, I mean I'm trying to put, you know, salvage as much time for this sheep hunt for sure. But, you know, I went up to Wyoming, you know, had a lot of fun up there. I think I spent five days up there. I ended up killing a good bull. I came back home.

And, you know, after that, a lot of guidance and stuff. But I think I got back out to Nevada eight days before the hunt and really just tried to pick apart everything I could, you know. And that time of year is – this had to have been one of the rainiest years, I feel like. I mean, it just rained every day. We've been talking about it earlier today. October, November was crazy for Nevada and southern Utah and northern Arizona. It was insane and kind of just gave license for a lot of sheep and a lot of places to just go do what they had been able to do for months and months. Yep. Like walk around freely. Yep. Exactly. I mean, I think that's another thing too. Like helping me a lot on this hunt is, you know, Department of Wildlife there in Nevada. They put out a hunt survey every year and, you know, where rams are getting killed, you know, how many days it takes, stuff like that.

You know, it's very useful information. And you get down to like, you know, four days before the hunt, I'm like, you know, it's been raining every day. I'm like, does this information even matter anymore? Yeah. I'm going to start stressing out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. For good reason. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, that units, you know, I think last year, or I guess it would be two years ago now, three of the six rams killed were over 170. And it's like, at that point, it's like, well, you better go into it with some standards for sure. I mean, you know, you want to go in there, you want to kill the biggest ram you can, you know. But, yeah, I mean, it was starting to get tough and, you know, a little bit, I wouldn't say like, you know, it was starting to get down, you know, because, you know, they still got sheep on.

But, I mean, I just hadn't seen a ram that was, you know, 170 inches, like for sure, no brainer, you know. Kind of your goal, do you think?

Say that again? Did you have a goal on what you were, obviously, wanted to maximize the tag? Yeah, I mean, I really wanted to make book, you know, you know, 168 is what I really wanted. You know, I mean, that's, I feel like, you know, I mean, it shouldn't be everybody's goal, but, you know, either that or, you know, a super old ram, you know. So, got it. I mean, I think you got to go on out with that, with goals, you know. You know, I set aside a lot of time for it and stuff like that. And you also got to realize it ain't always going to happen, you know. But, yeah, so got there eight days early. I ended up, the ram I killed, I ended up finding him that first morning I was there in the, I guess, no matter. I guess he was in the Highland Range, kind of a little tiny range off to the, I guess it would be to the south east of the main McCullough Range,

which is where a lot of the sheep are getting killed. Yeah. So, found him and, you know, it was like the first ram I saw since getting back there to scout. So, you know, I was like, I think we can do better, but I sent the picture around. Everybody, you know, thought, they thought I should just sit on him for eight days. There you go. Easy to say when they're home. Yeah, sit there for a week, I'll be up there in seven days. You know, Zach, I think you could do a little bit better. Let's talk again tomorrow. Yeah. So, yeah, and then pretty much the next six days, I mean, I just hit the McCullough as, you know, as hard as I could. And I think about three days before the hunt, I had a couple of good buddies come down from Alaska. You know, they were hitting it with me and then ended up having a couple more people a few days before the hunt come down and look for sheep.

So, we had a pretty good crew out there. Your dad was there, too. Dad was there, too. Yeah, so, I mean, that's, if somebody, you know, draws a sheep tag, I mean, I can't stress enough, like, having people around you that know sheep. That would not be my dad, but everybody else, I had their new sheep pretty well. Your dad's been around a bit, though. He's done a lot of hunting over the years. He's been around a lot. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's, I mean, you're looking at a mature animal. So, yeah, I mean, you want a big belly and stuff like that. So, yeah, I think we got to, like, three days before the hunt. At this time, I mean, I was, I mean, it's just amazing. I was probably seeing three mature rams a day, which is just, like, incredible. It's something I'd never experienced.

But I think on, like, day three, we got to, I mean, at this point, we had, I think we found three deadheads. So, it's like, we had to go into the Department of Walking. Good ones?

I think the smallest one was, like, mid-50s. They were pretty nice, yeah. Pretty good. Unfortunately, I think I saw hardly any rams, or any lambs, I mean. A lot of the sheep were four to five years old, you know. It's kind of sad to see, you know. Well, they've said that for multiple years, Adam. Like, we've dealt with that for quite some time, but the outlook is still bright. They went and did surveys, and we've dealt with Game and Fish, and they're like, man, I don't know where they're coming from, but it's still really good. Yeah. Older, mature rams. Big rams. Absolutely. Yeah. It's, I mean, yeah, I can't complain one bit, you know. A lot of rams, you know. It's great. You're setting cameras, and you're looking down at the sphere in Vegas. I mean, it's just unreal. It's something I, yeah. It's just, it's absolutely unreal. Good hunting right around Vegas. Yeah. Yeah.

But anyway, yeah, so at this point, I'd had, you know, quite a few different rams that I liked. So we got to, I went in, saw the biologist, picked his brain on him, what he liked the most, and stuff like that. I did have a ram there in the McCullers that I really liked, but everybody else on the crew absolutely, you know, destroyed me over him. Told you all the faults he had. Yeah. There's a dime-sized chip three-quarters of the way down.

Yeah. But no, just like he was, I mean, perfect representation of a Nelson. I just spread out real wide. But anyway, yeah, they talked me out of him pretty quick. So I think the day before the hunt, we got in there, and we didn't turn him up that morning, and then it started, it was just raining pretty good. And that guy, one of them guys from Alaska, Ryan, he took all them pictures, too. Just, he's a photographer. Great photos. Yeah. I mean, he goes down to Nevada every year and takes pictures of sheep or one of those desert ants, Arizona, Nevada. I mean, he just loves it. He loves looking at sheep, so he's perfect. But anyway, yeah, I mean, at this point, we've been out there eight days, you know, grinding. And it was the afternoon before the hunt, and he made me walk up a mountain from the row while it was raining.

And sure enough, that ram ended up being in that little just nook canyon hidden from the roads and stuff. So I found him the night before the hunt, and he was kind of, man, I swear it, we watched him go three-quarters of a mile that night, just moving, moving. And we didn't know why, but got up next morning and kind of got in the area where we'd seen him. And, I mean, it's just unbelievable. I hate even saying this because it just sounds so unbelievable. There ended up being a lion maybe 200 yards from where we last seen him. Just the weirdest thing, you know. So at that point, you know, the stress is really wrong. Like, oh, man, what did this ram do? So we actually came up on probably 20, 30 ewes that we kind of knew were in the area, and they're right off the road, 300 yards from the road.

And actually, eight days before that, he met up with the ewes and, you know, was messing around with them a little bit. But that night before, the tag ewes by himself. So we got back to looking at the ewes, and we didn't see them, but there was also a lot of little nooks and crannies around them. But decided to split off from them and just get into some of that country that we thought he might be in. And a good body glass back on the ewes that were right above the road, and sure enough, he was right there. So we kind of hustled back, worried somebody was going to drive right up on him and shoot him. It happens in Nevada once a while. Not like Colorado. Yeah.

Now, looking back on him, I'm like, man, there's only six tags. But honestly, so anyway, we got back over there, made, you know, I think it was probably a mile away. We got up in there and ended up getting him down. And sure enough, right after that, you know, car drives by. And a couple of my buddies who were off glass and forming a different spot after we'd killed him, they told him that we'd gotten one. And they were asking if he was, like, broomed off on his right side. So they were looking for that ram, too. But, yeah, it's just crazy. I mean, that unit, I would say there's probably, I mean, I think some of the best outfitters there, I mean, they know what's in the unit for sure. I don't think there's too many sheep that aren't, you know, well-known there. Yeah, they're hunting option tags and things like that. Like, this is a great tag you have. I mean, it's incredible.

I mean, I'll never experience anything like that again. You never know. You're 27 years old. You've got a lot of years to go. We'll see. You never know. I mean, John, really, at this point, his name should be ex-blacked out for this. Yeah.

We're expecting a back-to-back phone call here in a month or two, Zach. But getting something in another state. Yeah, and you've got a good number of points, too, for the age you're at. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of, I mean, just apply to all the states you can, you know, to get lucky. I mean, not to put you on the spot. You want to say what he scored? I know what your goal, obviously, you said your goal. Yeah, I mean, the goal was 168. That ram ended up going 166 and a half. Yeah. Awesome. 15-inch bases. I mean, I think you guys described it pretty well. I mean, in the magazine, like, a lot of these rams taken this year just didn't have the length. There's definitely rams there that got the length. And a lot of the rams, I'd say, I mean, 15-inch base is great for sure. But also, I think, you know, there's kind of been a downward trend there. Yeah. Lately.

Dealing with a lot of sheep that were born in drought. Well, yeah, and you don't see many years, like, back-to-back phenomenal. Like, the year before was great. Killed a bunch of big rams. Whether it be random chance or just, you know, perfect storm, everybody killed some of those rams. And not as many of those 170-plus out. Then we had another unit, like Muddy's, the year before, didn't hardly kill any. And then this year they did. They actually did pretty decent. 60 tags or whatever on the unit. Yeah, gave a ton of tags, and maybe that's part of it. Somebody's going to kill them. Yeah. But we do keep track in the magazine. We list year-to-year how many 170-plus rams are killed, and it's steadily been decreasing. Yeah. Stay hard. And because of the drought and just overall size, when they're born, they're stressed. And it affects them their whole life.

There's just a number of reasons we've talked about over the years. But anyway, but still great rams, great quality. People should be applying. You never know when you're going to get drawn. Your odds were astronomical at the point level you were at. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. You're going to put in for a lot more sheep tags in your life with a lot better odds than what you already beat. That's what I meant earlier. Hey, you beat that one. So, yeah, never know. But pretty awesome. Got to be in the head. That's $150,000. That's $100,000 to $150,000 ram, you know, depending on the tag fee and killing a caliber of ram and having that kind of experience. Just awesome. Yeah. Can't put a price tag on it, really. But, you know, just putting it in perspective of the demand of a sheep of that caliber and just a hunt of that caliber as well. Yeah. I mean, I can't. That unit is just absolutely.

Like I said, you're right about me. I mean, you're looking down on the city. I mean, the rams are getting. All the sheep are getting in the city. It's absolutely insane. A lot of sheep. Like you guys described, you know, a lot of good road access. Of course, there's the two wildernesses there that, you know, you could try to get, you know, get lost in a little bit. And we actually hit that south wilderness quite a bit, just hoping to turn up an old ram, you know, in there, you know, just because there's not a lot of kill sites in there. So, we're hoping to kind of get overlooked, you know. You always get really ambitious when you first get out there, for sure. Or, and then it's like, well, let's not try to reinvent the world. There's a reason. There's not many sheep in that country. Yeah. Yeah. You find out that. Just because it's a wilderness doesn't mean it's the best. Yeah. Yeah.

Place to go. For sure. Yeah. But good stuff. Well, it's awesome. You definitely maximize the tag as far as, you know, hitting the whole unit and working it over. Good crew of people. And that's the other half of a sheep hunt is who you get to spend it with and all that. So, that's awesome. You had a big crew of the guys there. Share it with your dad, everybody. So, yeah. Perfect. No, I'm looking forward to the phone call next month when I draw one of your guys' raffles. There you go. Hey. Manifesting it right there, Logan. We got some no-joke hunts coming up. So, yeah. Sounds good. Awesome. We appreciate the support over the years. You and your family, of course. Just really appreciate it. Ken, say thanks enough for submitting your story. So. Yep. Okay. Zach, well, good luck. You and your dad and everybody. Yeah. Good luck in the upcoming draws everywhere else. Thanks a lot. Yep.

Thanks, guys. You too. You bet. Thank you. All right, bud. I'm going to go put in for Nevada. I already did. I know you did. Three weeks ago. Yeah, and I got you told that I haven't even applied for yet. Here's the bigger question. How many times have you already changed in your area? None. Really? But I need to.

You know if you do it now, you'll just do it again. I love getting into the account and screwing with the choices. Maybe more than the honey. I don't know.

It's the end. Sometimes I do it. You do it, and then you sit on it. Say, how do I feel about my name being in for the hunts that it's on? And then I always try to picture, I always try to picture, how happy will I be if I draw this crappy deer tag? How will does it sit with you for one night? Yeah. You wake up one morning, I'm like, what was I thinking? A man, get rid of that. Yeah, a man. Like what he's talking about, like going and inventing the wheel. Like I'm going to go somewhere they've never killed one. I do that. And I fail every time. You know what I mean? There's been an exception or two. And it's fun to steal one. Big old buck next to Vegas. It's kind of fun. You know, but you do, I do have some choices in there. You guys would laugh. You guys would totally laugh. But there's some things when those points are, what else are you going to get? These odds are really long.

Just to the only, you know, everybody's favorite. Well, you have until May 13th. So you've got plenty of time to sleep on it. Well, I could change 50 times and it's free. That's right. I get to plug and play. They should charge you 50 cents every time. They'd make them in. They would make them, man. I would pay it every time. Yeah. They're leaving money on the table.

Anyway. All right. Let's talk. Bronson, you know, we've killed a lot of bucks and bulls with horny ELDX bullets. Absolutely have. Yeah. So anyway, I want to give a shout out to them. A lot of us have shot ELDXs. A couple of us have shot the match bullets in some of our guns. But a lot of us, whether it be six, five PRCs, seven PRCs. Those are probably the most common. Great load. A lot of it, a lot of it, factory ammo. The guns we've been shooting are shooting great. Awesome. That's what I like. They shoot good. And they perform fairly well. You could argue. I mean, we're always splitting hairs on bullets and things like that. But man. Stuff's not getting away, though, either. Mike. No. No. How Dead's dead. They're not. They're really dead. How Dead's dead. Very dead. That's right. They're very dead. They're awesome. Appreciate them. And yeah, check them out. But you know, I don't know.

What's the website? Just hornady.com, John? I don't have that. I don't have that. Logan had it pulled up here a minute ago. We were looking at some stuff. Hornady.com. Hornady.com. How about that, bro? It's a hornady. How did you guess that? Jeez. That was a really tough one, let me tell you. Well, they've been around a while. They probably own that domain, right? Yeah. Is that what you call it, John?

Anyway, yeah, check them out there. You know, the nice thing about ammo these days, we're in a good run. Like, ammo's components are, you know, easy to find than they have been. Long stretch here for a couple years. It feels like you can throw a case of ammo in your safe anytime you felt like it right now. I like it. Maybe a weird caliber, like a .280 Ackley or some weird thing. But I mean, I'm just talking, you know, the common stuff. The common stuff. So, what else? Bronson, you know what else we want to talk about just a little bit? We have the first ST Balance Suaro on the shelf that doesn't have a name for it. Oh. Yeah, we blew through the waiting list for those. It was a little bit shorter than the angle. It would be the straight one. The angle. Yeah. There's a lot of crooked guys out there. But the straight guys? Yeah. Less of them. That's right.

So, hey, there's one on the website. If you hear this and want it, get on there and buy it. It won't last long. Everybody is off of that waiting list. They've been kind of in steady. We've had a lot of angles coming in. Way more. We've sold way more angles than straights. Don't know why, but we have. And so, there's a bigger waiting list for those. But we get two or three in a week. We'll satisfy that not too long. They're rolling in pretty regular. So, jump on there. The other thing we have a ton of is CVA muzzleloaders. We've been loaded up. I like it. Logan, I think today or yesterday you finished loading them all up. Yesterday I restocked them all. So, you can go to epicoutdoors.com, hit our online store, and then on the top you can hit muzzleloaders. See everything we got in stock for CVA. We got Optimas and Acuras, LRX and MRX. They've also got a new rifle out too.

You can go check it out. Kind of a state-of-the-art. Endura. Yeah. Yeah. I've been doing a little research on that. Yeah. Yeah, they're no joke. Yeah. Nice. Nice rifle. Now, some of these states are coming up with a few more restrictions, and so with CVA you can make about anything work. They have the Northwestern kit on there. It just basically exposes the priming, ignition, whatever device you're using. Makes it exposed to the weather and a few things like that depending on regulation. Open site as well. Or you could obviously throw a scope on. There's plenty of states out there that are allowing that. Even one power here in Utah and some of the hunts, some of the hunts not so much. They're restricted muzzleloaders. And so. Yeah. We're stocked up for the draws.

We realize that tags and drawn tags, drawn muzzleloader tags, sometimes you want to upgrade or you want to get a muzzleloader period. So keep us in mind for that. Yeah. And I think sometimes like if you're in the market for a new whatever it is, you start looking online and it's like you can spend hours and hours. Or with this, just call our office, talk to Devin. He's an expert on all of the options and everything. We'll help you figure out exactly which model you need. That's right. Also have some new Pulsar in inventory if you can believe it. This would be, they came out with a brand new Trail 3 scope. It's really good for AR rifles like the light bolt rifles. It's a compact, new, smaller bolt rifle type, perfect, you know, Pulsar product. And it's like one of the first ones we've gotten. They're extremely hard to come by.

So if you're looking for one, we do have the first one on our shelf at this moment. Didn't know when we were getting them, so we had a hard time even thinking about advertising it. We also have state-of-the-art Symbion binoculars, laser range-finding binoculars, the DXT-50s. Anybody that's interested in state-of-the-art stuff, these are popular in a lot of states like Texas. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of night hunting down there. I mean, that's frankly where a lot of this market is pushing this because you can't really use this to a whole lot of other places. Well, during like big game hunting seasons, it doesn't make sense in a lot of these places with restricted technology. But, man, I like night hunting. Wherever it's legal, like out some of these places, it's fun. Yeah, like here, it's legal to hunt coyotes. Yeah, it is. You've got to get a permit for it.

But, man, talk about so much fun. It brings a smile to my face. Anytime you can kill a coyote, no matter how you do it, you're a good dude. All right. Well, you guys, there's one more deer story. Maybe. Maybe we get Aiden on the line. He killed a giant in northern Nevada. It's a Nevada podcast, you guys. Do you know they sell dream tickets and things like that? There's a place you can go. It's a raffle. Hey, we've got a dream hunt on our giveaway for elk. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? For elk right now. We've got one in our summer hunt giveaway. There's plenty of options out there. But, anyway, it's pretty fun. I guess let's just kick it on home. Maybe Aiden. He killed an absolute giant buck. Resident of Nevada. And we have his story in here as well. I love talking to these people about some of the special animals that they harvest. Let's just give him a call.

Maybe get his quick story. And then we've got to call it a weekend at some point. You know what I mean, Bronson? Hey, you there? Yep, I'm there. Right on. Yeah. Well, awesome. I'm so glad you got a minute today. We've been talking about some big animals that have been killed in Nevada. This will round it out awesome. Anyway, desert sheep, elk, and then now your story. And so I'll kind of let you lay the foundation. Obviously, you know what you're doing, Nevada resident and whatnot. But maybe just tell us about getting the tag and then the scouting and how you go about finding giant deer and then getting them on the ground.

Yeah, no. I got lucky in Nevada last year. I drew a depredation bull tag. Oh, wow. And I got my first choice on that one. And then my deer tag, I actually drew my fifth choice. And I actually was not that excited about it.

But anyways, I got to work scouting for dep bulls because the season for that starts August 1st. So that was before my deer tag. And I ended up finding a couple decent bulls. Ended up getting a bull killed on, I believe, August 9th. Awesome. In full velvet. So that was cool. That was kind of my goal. What did he end up? He was like a 330 bull. Nice. Not a giant, but it was cool. He was an old regressed bull, super heavy, had matching crown points. Just an old bull. It was cool. Definitely the most mature bull I found. So that's the one I wanted. And I was lucky enough to get him on the ground. That's awesome. That's cool. Set the gear off, right? Yeah, no, it was a blast. It's a tough hunt, but it was fun. So after that, I got right into the deer scouting the next weekend. And I guess this was two weekends after I'd killed my bull.

I hiked up to a Glastonob, was looking for deer, hadn't found any deer that morning. And I drove up there in the dark and hiked in in the dark. And when I was coming, I got back to my truck. And when I was coming back down the mountain, I noticed there was kind of something sitting in the road. And I was like, what is that? So I got out and looked. And it was a, I mean, brand spanking new. The newest Hoyt from last year was laying in the middle of the road. Come on. It was wild because I backed up that road that morning. And I actually backed right over the top of that bow and didn't even skim it. Wow. Yeah. So that's, that's how the first scouting trip started. And, um, yeah, I found that. And I drove around for a couple hours trying to find somebody. And I found a couple camps, nobody at them. And, uh, so I ended up, I was like, I don't, I don't know what to do.

Cause I've never found somebody's brand new bow. I was like, do I leave it here and see if they come back looking for it? Cause they're obviously going to miss it. Yeah. They're going to want their bow back. I would have thought it. It actually had a couple of bloody arrows on it. The guy had just killed a buck. Come on. So you find a bow in the road. It has bloody arrows in it. You can't find the owner.

Yeah. That's odd. Yeah. No, it was odd. I was like, Holy crap. So what I did is I just, I brought it around looking for camps, looking for people. I spent a couple hours looking and I just, I never could come across anybody. And I was like, well, I'll throw it on Facebook. So I posted it on Facebook and my Instagram and a couple other things. And I didn't even, I didn't even get a response for like a day. And I guess two days later, I got a message from somebody on Facebook saying that they knew the guy that was looking for it. Oh my God. And he hadn't, he hadn't seen it. I guess the guy didn't have Facebook or anything. And anyways, he got me in contact with him and he was actually just leaving town. And they, they actually had gone back up there looking for it. Couldn't find it. Came back to town. They were getting ready to go back to where they lived.

And I ended up, I was on my way back to town. So I ended up getting it back to him. Wow. That's awesome. Small world. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. No. And after that, um, just, I mean, I'm, I'm a weekend warrior, so that's all I got is weekends most of the time. And I had a four day weekend coming up. So, um, I decided I was just going to take a bed roll in the truck and just camp out for, I think, yeah. So I had Thursday off and I had that Monday off and I just, I took off and kind of traveled all over the unit, looking, looking, looking. And, uh, I believe it was the third evening I was out. Um, I was sitting on a glassing knob. I actually hadn't been in that country in a really long time. Um, and I hadn't seen a deer all day. And right before, I mean, right at last glassing light, the same hillside that I'd been glassing

all evening, I noticed, uh, there was two bucks standing on the hillside. I could just see their butts facing me. And, uh, if it was so low light, they got up on top of the ridge line. And when the first buck started kind of creeping up towards the ridge line, I could start to see, I was like, okay, he had a good frame. I was like, oh, okay. He's got a cheater. He's got an inline. And he got up on top of the skyline. And that was the first look I got at the buck. And it was still pretty low light. So I didn't know exactly what he had going on or how big he was, but I was like, okay, he has matching split hook cheaters. He's got inlines on both sides. He's got double eye guards on both sides. So I, I ended up staying. Seems like a really big deer. Maybe good. Yeah. Yeah. I was like that one, I, I'm going to have to stay and check that one out in the morning.

So, um, yeah, no, I stayed there. And in the morning he was in velvet that night. And, uh, first thing in the morning, I ended up glassing him up pretty much right there in the exact same spot. And he was completely stripped. I mean, clean. And so just, just overnight and it's crazy cause there's not really a lot of trees or anything in that country. And, uh, yeah, just overnight he stripped completely clean and I sat there and watched him pretty much all day. And, um, that was the first real good look and videos I got of the buck. So. Jeez. Pretty awesome. Just crazy how, how this is working out to back up a little bit. Did you know what the archer killed? You know, uh, he ended up killing like a 160 inch four point. Okay. Just a good, good solid velvet buck. Okay. Awesome. Yep. Yeah. No, I, I, I got to look at it when I returned the bow. And he probably told you everything you saw.

Like now he owes you a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. No, he did. He actually did. He's like, yeah, we saw deer over here and over there. And I was like, yeah, no, no wonder I didn't see any deer in there because they just shot one and all the deer were probably a little scattered. So it made sense. And is this a home unit for you? Is this a unit like your backyard that you know well? Yeah. I've grown up hunting the unit pretty much my, my whole life. That's, I mean, I had all my junior tags in there. Um, yeah, no, I'm, I'm really familiar with it. And it being your fifth choice, you're just, you're just saying like, you still know there's big potential in there. It's just fifth choice on season and everything else. Yeah. And it's just, I mean, it just, the unit isn't, it's not what it used to be. I mean, I wish I knew how to, I wish I would have known what I was doing more so when I was

younger and had tags. Um, just, we used to see a lot of good deer running around and I've had a couple of tags in there since, and I've struggled just trying to find a giant deer. And so I've been putting in for other units, but I always throw it in just because it's my own unit and it's close and I can scout it a lot. So, um, but yeah, it, it was my, it was my fifth choice was, uh, the muzzleloader tag in there. So, but it ended up working out.

All right. So, so where does that bring us in the story here? You've, you've kind of on the, on the deer and starting to realize what he is. Yeah. So I realized what he was and, uh, I had to go back to work the next day. So I sat there and I watched him all throughout the afternoon and in the evening I ended up packing my stuff up, going back to town. Um, and at this point, oh, I think I had about seven or eight days till opening day, I want to say. Okay. And yeah, I went back to work and I was talking to my boss. I was like, I, uh, I found something pretty special and I might end up cause I had taken some time off for the opening day and everything. And I was like, yeah, no, I might be taking off a couple, a little bit, a little bit early to go keep tabs on this thing because I found him and I'm going to do whatever it takes to get this thing killed.

So, um, that's what I ended up doing is he was like, he was totally cool with it. He was like, yeah, go kill it. Yeah. So I ended up, uh, the next day. So I worked that day and then the next day after that, I got all my stuff packed up and I just planned on living with this deer until opening day and, um, trying, trying to get him down opening day. So I can't remember exactly how many days it was. It was six or seven days, but, uh, the day, I guess two days before the season, I decided just because I'd been watching the deer for multiple days and he was really patternable. That was, that was nice. But, uh, he was using the same four or five beds pretty much every day. I knew what time he was getting up, what time he was going to bed, what time he'd get up in the afternoon to feed. So I was, I was able to get him nailed down pretty good. And, um, oh, I don't know.

I think two, two days before the season, I decided to call my buddy Tanner and, um, I told him, I was like, Hey, I, I, I'm going to need a spotter or something for this buck. And he ended up just dropping everything he was doing and racing up to me. Um, that was two days before the season. So I got one more day of scouting and then I got opening day. And, um, that evening I was driving my truck back down to where I'd been camping out in my bed roll. And, uh, I accidentally hit a giant rock with my truck and I ended up blowing out my front tire, bending my spindle, ripping apart the lower control arm. It was kind of a disaster. So yeah, no, just a big rock in the road. And I didn't have all my lights on cause I didn't want any, I got really lucky that I didn't see anybody in there at any point in time. The whole time I was in there.

Um, so I'm running around with just like my daytime running lights, hoping nobody sees me. And yeah, I destroyed the truck. So yeah, at that point I'm panicked and I'm like, okay, I got to figure this out cause I got a deer to kill still. And, uh, I ended up calling a couple of my buddies that I work with. I was like, grab my work truck and trailer, meet me at this road. I need to get back to town. Um, it took me, I, I, I don't think I got to the highway where they could pick me up until about 10, 11 that night. So ended up having them help me pick my truck up, went back to town. Um, my dad was super cool. He was like, take my truck, go do whatever you got to do. So I ended up switching all my gear and everything into his truck that night. Um, and then that night I just took right back off and headed back out there to be there for glassing light in the morning.

And I ended up getting, getting out there about right about glass and light in the morning. And right, right, right where I put the buck to bed that night, he was right in the exact same place. Jeez. Yeah. He didn't move anywhere. And you, you covered, you know, different counties, truck shuttling all over the place, but yeah, no, it was pretty eventful. I didn't, I didn't sleep. I'm not sure about you, Adam, but if somebody just bent the lower control arm, busted out my tire or busted out his tire and doesn't use his headlights. I'm not sure I'm lending him my truck. No. It's a good dad. Dad's like, you know, they make lights for a reason. So. Yeah. I'm historically a little rough on vehicles. I was kind of wondering. That's where I was going with it. Trying not to accuse you of it. Yeah. No, I'll take full accountability for that. My dad's super awesome.

Letting me borrow, borrow his truck when I need to. He, he, he knew what I was hunting. So he was like, go for it. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. He said, drive my truck like it's made out of glass, though. I don't heard that one. That's good. So this brings us to the day before the hunt, right? That's where we're at now? Yeah. So we're sitting, yeah. So we're sitting at the day before the hunt and my buddy Tanner shows up about mid afternoon. And we get up to the glass knob and we're sitting there watching the buck and he gets out of the, basically the same couple of beds that he was hanging out on. And he was just hanging out. He'd always go feed kind of right in the same spot. And we kind of, we were calling it his kitchen. So he was hanging out in the kitchen and it got dark that evening. And we came up with a game plan.

We separated for the, we were going to separate for opening morning just to have two angles glassing, just depending on where at on the mountain, the buck was going to be. I mean, I'd got really lucky. I'd been able to turn him up every single day that I was out there looking for him. But we just wanted to have our bases covered opening morning. And we're like, you never know if there's someone else that hasn't scouted or anything, you know, who knows who could show up opening morning. So had all our bases covered and opening morning, we got up and it was pretty nasty out. It was just windy and dusty. I mean, it wasn't raining or snowing or anything, but it was just kind of a windy, just nasty day. And we didn't find the buck first thing in the morning.

So that was kind of, kind of a panic because he'd been so right on the spot and we'd been able to find him so easy. So we just spent the whole day picking apart his beds and all the little holes in there and just gradually throughout the day, we still couldn't find him. So we're just glassing all the little possible places we think he could have gone. And yeah, opening day was the only day that I never was able to lay eyes on the buck. So we didn't find him that day. Jeez. Jeez. You're dying. Yeah. So I'm kind of panicked. I'm like, where the heck did he go? But I figured I was like, this weather had to have had him down or something. So we ended up just exact same plan the next morning and pulled the 15s out and put them right where I was hoping he'd be at. And he was there the next day. Wow. On day two. So Tanner came over. We came up with a game plan.

I've had this stock planned out in my head for, you know, a good six or seven days at this point. And he was exact, the deer was exactly where I wanted him to be.

So we just made a game plan, kind of waited, waited throughout the afternoon. It's the, the wind's pretty weird up there. So I waited till about 11 o'clock to even start moving in. And I had a three, three ish hour hike to get into where I was.

So let the thermal settle and everything. And, uh, I ended up just making, making my stock. I was planning, I was hoping to be within, oh, I don't know, a hundred, a hundred yards ideally, um, at about four 35 o'clock. Cause that's what time you'd get up to feed. So it all ended up kind of working out that way. I ended up getting up on top of the mountain. Um, but I was able to get on top of them and, uh, it took me about two hours to close from about that 300 yard mark to the a hundred yard mark. And just like clockwork at like four 30 in the afternoon, Buck stood up and he was at 117 yards. And I took my shot and at first I, I didn't know if I hit him or not because he was just standing there exactly where I shot. So I threw him through my tens up and looked at him and I'd, I'd hit him and, uh, loaded another one in, hit him again. And that was that. So it's over. Good old smoke. Yeah.

That's awesome. Yeah. It ended up working out. Awesome. It couldn't have gone better. Just you and Tanner there. Yeah. Just me and my buddy Tanner were there. So this is Tanner Wilkin, right? Like the, that family's, they're no stranger to big deer. They've killed a lot of big deer with that family. Yeah. No, they, they're, they're killers. And when I, when I knew that I needed a spotter and I needed somebody that knew what they were doing, I'm really good friends with Tanner, have been for a couple of years now. I was like, I know exactly who I'm calling. And so I called, called Tanner up and we showed his dad, Lauren, the buck. And he was like, Oh yeah, you guys need to kill that thing. So yeah. Lauren's killed a lot of big deer over the years as well as the boys. It's just awesome. How, how did you come in contact with Tanner? How did you guys become friends?

You know, I've known him for a couple of years now and honestly, we got to know each other through social media. No, there you go. Just talking back and forth on Instagram, uh, hunting a little bit together and, uh, yeah, no, he actually, he actually is, he's living in the same town as me now. So, um, yeah, no, he's going to school up here. Um, so yeah, no, we've been good friends for a while. Um, I got to go hunt Arizona with him and his family last year. Yeah. Out on the strip. Yep. Yep. That's awesome. Wow. Yeah, no, that was, that was, that was a really different experience for me just cause I've never had an opportunity to go hunt that. And I got the invite from them. So I took 10 days and got to go do that with them and learned a lot. I mean, those guys are, those guys are all next level, learned a lot from them. So. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They take it serious. They're no joke.

Well, this is awesome. Congratulations. This deer is just an incredible buck. What, um, I mean, if you don't mind, obviously he's you've, I'm sure you've scored him. He's looks well over 200. What did, uh, what did he end up going? Um, so he officially ended up scoring 202 eights net and 209 gross. Wow. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Bob. Great luck. 200 inch. Had everything. Inlines, cheaters, fork cheaters, extra eye guards. Yeah, no, it was that, that was also kind of one of my goals, like going into the season too, is like, man, I've, I've got my butt kicked by deer for so long and I've never been, I mean, I've killed a couple nice deer. I've never killed anything really big, but, uh, that was my goal is I wanted to find a good buck with like a cheater or a big inline or just something, just something like that.

And when I spotted that buck, I was like, yeah, he checks all the boxes with double eye guards, split hook cheaters, and then, uh, the matching inlines too. So. Yeah. What does he have? It's a beautiful four point frame. Big eye guards. He's just, and the live video you got, the clip we used in the magazine just looks big, big. Of course he is. And so anyway, pretty awesome. Yeah, no, it was, it was, it was pretty awesome experience. I was, I was, I was tickled the way it turned out. So. Yeah. Awesome. Well, we'll let you go. Thanks for answering the phone. Uh, sorry to get you at the last minute. Just wanted to kind of round it out with a big deer. Nothing like a big deer. Yeah. No. So. Yep. So. All right. Well, good luck this year. Good luck topping that one. You probably do it. Never know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to try. We'll see. Did you get your truck?

Did you get your truck fixed? I did. I ended up getting it fixed, uh, that next weekend. Yeah. And all's good. So. Yeah. You know, headlights work good. Everything's good. Yep. All the lights work good. I have extra lights now. So. I like the extra fog lights. They say the stitch lights are no joke. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I have them and I, I like them. They help out a lot. Yeah. All right. Okay. Sounds good. Appreciate the time. Yeah. You bet. Have a great weekend. Yeah. You guys too. Thank you. You bet. Bye.

Speaking of Logan. Yep. Speaking of weekends, Logan, we going into the weekend with anything big plans? I got no big plans. Okay. Yeah. Hmm. Adam, when we were his age, do we ever not have any plans? Nope. That's a bad sign. That's a bad sign. I mean, I got a truck that's tempting me over at Canyon View Auto Sales, but other ones. What? You've had this one. Have you even had this one a year? What? My truck? Has it two years? I've had it for like four, three, three, four years. Is it that old, Jason? No. It's like a little beater Toyota. Oh. Might go look at that over the weekend. It's a secondary truck. Yeah. Yeah. Trail cam truck. All right. Jeez. That's all I got. Hey. So whenever he tells us he's not looking to buy anything, he's lying. He's lying. Yeah. He's lying. He always tells us that just so we'll quit talking to him about stuff. He whines about budgets and things like that.

Yeah. It's just not true. I've heard it one too many times. It's true. Adam, I'm not looking. And then I turn over and you're buying a gun from Jason over here or something else. I got to switch it up from time to time. Tires from Adam. I can't buy it. I can't buy everything from you. Well, I mean, hey. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. I've got lots of stuff you might need. You should need. I've got, you need a winch. Yes. Johnson does have extra winches. I've got a couple winches that you buy and they don't quite fit and they're brand new in the box. But I always need one of those. All right. Let's talk. Well, all right, everybody. Have a great weekend. Let's face it. If your goal is to kill big stuff, you need to draw quality tags. Quality tags are typically hard to draw. To increase your odds of drawing good tags, you need to apply in multiple states.

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