In this episode of The Epic Outdoors Podcast we talk with Cheston Davis owner of Phoneskope. Cheston shares with us how Phoneskope came about and how it has evolved. From an idea in the field to a successful business. We learn more about how to use a Phoneskope to get better footage and how to make the most of our scouting.

Disclaimer: this podcast has been transcribed from the original audio and likely contains errors. This transcription does not reflect the views and opinions of Epic Outdoors LLC. Please consult the original audio with any concerns.

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I can see movement in the trees over to the left and I make out a silhouette of a mountain lion.

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That changed the game

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Because we were holding our cameras up to our spotting scope. Had my elbows locked on my knees,

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Anything to do with Western Big Games.

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To the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody, Jason Carter and Adam Bronson here with the Epic Outdoors Podcast, looking to do another podcast today. So anyway, appreciate all your listeners out there listening to the different podcasts we’ve got done. We’ve had a ton of response from those and we appreciate that. We appreciate your support. Having said that, if you want to kind of email in some ideas on who might be good or who you’d like to hear from, do that at [email protected]. We’d love to hear from you and some of your ideas. We want to keep this going. We’ve got some extreme momentum going with this and, and it’s awesome. We’d like to, we’d like to visit with some of the different people in the industry and see what they’ve got going on. So anyway, having said that, we’ve got phone scope coming on board here. We’ve dealt with CHEST for many years.

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We’ve, we’ve actually got a great relationship with here him, his company, phone Scope with Epic Outdoors, which is Adam and I and the guys here in the office. So anyway, we’ll be visiting with him, talking about where he’s been and how he’s got to where he is at today and looking forward to visiting with him. Before we get started, we’d like to thank Under Armour and for supporting Epic Outdoors Podcasts as well as Epic Outdoors in general with our magazine and different things that we’re doing. We really appreciate them. They’ve stepped up and have worked with us from the start when we just, this was all just an idea. And so just want to say hey to them, little shout out. They’ve got a lot of good things coming of which we will bring out in the magazine as well as on some different podcasts and YouTube episodes. So anyway, thanks Under Armour, for all they’re doing for us as well as our other advertisers in the magazine in different ways that they sponsor Epic Outdoors. We appreciate y’all. So anyway, as we get started, we’ll get chest online and go from there. Chest and you on.

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I’m here buddy. Right

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On. Well thanks. Just want to say thanks for spending some time with us here today. I know it’s probably cutting into your scouting time a little bit or else maybe it’s some of your work life or Lake Powell life or I don’t know what, what life are you leading right now?

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You know, basically just work life six days a week it feels like. And scouting life. Yeah, man, that seemed like that went out the window about 40 years ago.

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You know, that’s what’s funny. You know, you’re working, of course we’ll get into all this, but you’re working in the industry and, and Adam and I work in the industry and that you, you think normally that that would mean that you get to hunt and you know, you get paid to wet a line and just hunt and fish and it just doesn’t quite work out that way, does it?

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No. You know, everybody’s looking from the outside in thinking man, living the dream. Well, they don’t understand that dream is the same dream that they’re living. It’s not really a dream, it’s just a work schedule.

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It’s a work schedule. That’s right. Yeah. Working for yourself. It ain’t no 40 hours. The nice thing about working, you know, a normal, regular job, what I would call a normal regular job, you get a clock out, go home and kind of forget about it. But when you’re doing your own business, you never do quite forget about it. And it’s not quite a 40 hour work week is, it

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Plays a toll on you mentally as well as your wife, the family, all the above. ’cause it’s always on the back of your mind, even when it shouldn’t be.

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You mean to tell me your wife doesn’t just wish you well and want you to work more hours?

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Oh, I can totally bet she doesn’t.

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Right on. Well, cool man. Well, let’s see. I, I guess before we dive in, like where have you been? Like what have you been seeing out there, scout?

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You know, it’s looking really good. Honestly seen some great antler growth. This moisture we’re getting right now is awesome ’cause it’s bringing back some really good feed. Everything from what I’ve seen has been great. But I’m not gonna lie, I’ve probably been out the least this year, over the last three years. I can count on one hand how many trail cameras I have out. I mean, it’s just been, it’s been a tough year. Been busy and also been trying to fit in the family time right now because once August hits it’s kind of hard to fit those type of trips in. Well this

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Is a, this is probably a good time to go ahead and tell you about some of our endorsed outfitters. Justin, we might be able to hook you up with an outfitter and there you go. On some of these Southern Utah tags here in your backyard and help you out and see if we can’t get you a big critter.

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That’s a good idea there.

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Alright. I’m just giving you grief.

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That’s funny. Well, cool.

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Well, maybe, yeah, before we get too much into what you got going this year and whatnot, let’s, let’s get into your background a little bit. Help us all understand where you’re from, where you came from, a little bit about yourself, things like that.

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You know, I’m small town guy, just grew up in small town, beaver, Utah. I feel blessed to be able to come from such a place because it’s just got amazing mountains and terrain surrounded, 360 degrees. It’s got amazing animals. But, you know, I, I grew up as a big sports guy. I loved hunting, but sports was my main passion. But what sports

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Did you like the most?

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I was big into baseball. Baseball was what just really did it for me. But I, I compound fractured my leg. I sheared off the gross plate, my two bones, A fib and the tip. And with that the doctors couldn’t pin my leg and, and they wouldn’t release me to play sports. So my mom and dad could’ve, but they, they was told the best thing for me was not to play sports. It it killed me, erect me, you know, it was

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Tough. How old were you when that happened?

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I was 15. Geez. We just starting conditioning for football. It was just, he was tough. So, you know, I, I sat there and my dad just told me, he says, look, you can’t just sit around and not do anything. You need to start doing something fun. You, you need to do something to keep you, keep you active. So that’s kinda when I, I took up hunting really serious. Started getting out, spending a lot of time in the mountains. That was still before trail cameras, but it was still when I would be out and just physically watching the animals. And I also took up business. I started my own business back when I was 15. I had an online eBay store. I don’t think I, I actually wasn’t old enough and I’m, I broke, I signed up under my mom’s name ’cause my dad wouldn’t sign over for me. Broke

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Some kind of,

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I’ll send you, we’re gonna send you to prison right on

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This podcast. I know, man, this might be bad. Honestly.

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Sweatshop Child Labor

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Did some mail fraud because I was mailing some shit out. Oh, that’s Federal chest dude. That’s federal labor.

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Oh dude, it’s too funny what kind

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Of business were you’re doing. If it’s, if it’s not illegal too, tell us what you’re doing.

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No, it wasn’t. It was no shipping dope.

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Shipping dope.

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Yeah. The funny thing is is Carter was in on that business with me too.

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Take me,

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Hey, I was a silent partner buddy.

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Oh, that’s right. Oh geez. Well that’s

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Cool. I didn’t know you were doing that. So what was, what were

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You doing? What were

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You doing? Yeah, so I, I sold a bunch of, my uncle had a Davis Freight company and so he had a bunch of damaged freight and it was just sitting in these trailers in St. George. And so I would get it and turn around and sell it and sold quite a bit of it. Dude, I kinda, I learned at a young age, basically what you put in is what you get out, whether it was with hunting or whether it was with business. Yeah, I mean it was the same philosophy, sports, all the above. What you put in is what you get out. And it was a very valuable lesson. And looking back now, the best thing that could have happened in my life is for me breaking my leg like I did because it transitioned me into looking at life differently than just hitting the ball, throwing the ball, that type of stuff. So, you know, it’s, it’s tough to see those type of, you know, impacts on your life as positive. But it’s funny how we grow older and look back and like, wow, that was a blessing in disguise. I know everybody has these type of experiences.

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Yeah. Well that’s awesome. Yeah, I mean, on top of some business skills, you’re learning, you know, you buy low and sell high. I mean, you’re, you’re selling, you know, damaged freight or whatever and you’re probably buying it for nothing and selling it, selling it for what it’s worth. And, and, and yet, you know, the whole marketing schematic as a young kid and, and probably when eBay, I don’t know, when did it just come, when did it come out versus when you were utilizing it?

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It was, it was fairly brand new when it first came out. That’s kinda why I was all punk and jazz about it. Call

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You a dot commer back then. Yeah,

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Yeah. No kidding.

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Well that’s cool. And so, and then like you were saying on, I mean as far as, you know, you, what you put in it is what you get out. And Adam and I are finding that of course, I mean with hunting trail cameras, scouting, glassing, what it, what the amount of energy you put in is what you get out. And on those years, we’re a little bit lazy. We don’t have as many big critters to hunt. And on those years we work our guts out, then we usually, you know, have something to hunt. So anyway. Very true. It’s crazy how all that intertwines with hunting and business. So

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How long you did that for a while, I guess. And then did you have a few other stops business-wise on your own in between that when you decided to maybe make your first attempt at hunting industry type business or?

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Yeah, you know, I did some web hosting companies and I did some other online stuff with a few kids that were kind of passionate about business that were in high school with me and, you know, had fun just because it just kinda gave me an outlook in life. It’s like, man, here I am super young and I’m able to do something, you know, it, it was fun. And, and I also had a full-time job working over at Napa, so I’d get off from a full-time normal job, you know, working from three to six and then I would go over and work, work for myself. And that was kinda when I learned that it’s awesome working for yourself, but there’s also a lot of stress and heartache and it’s not just a normal eight to five o’clock out and go home type of deal either. So

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Three to six, 3:00 AM to 6:00 PM or three, what

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Were you No, 3:00 PM to six once I got outta school.

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Oh, okay. Oh, I see what you’re saying. School, just kind of a regular job, not a full-time job, but a regular job. Yeah. Well that totally makes sense. Well, yeah, and you know what’s funny about that? I mean, let’s just go back to the town of Beaver. Population of beaver is what roughly

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That I don’t even like to even,

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Let’s let’s call it a couple thousand, right?

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I was gonna say 2000. 1800. 2000.

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All right. And so just for the listeners to know, like Chesterton comes outta Beaver, Utah, which is kind of, I’ve got a lot of relatives outta Beaver miners. Well that’s where my background’s from. And yet here you are, you know, developing businesses, working on eBay, doing all this kind of stuff, being an entrepreneur in a town of a couple thousand. That’s what’s cool about this day and age is it doesn’t matter where you live. You can, you know, I mean, it, it really doesn’t matter as long as you got a post office and, and, and l t e you know, cell service, you know, you can pretty much do anything.

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That’s very true. You can be anybody that you wanna be that you’re willing to put the time in for.

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So was your fast forward maybe just a little bit, I don’t know how long outta high school, whatever, maybe you went to college. Where did your first attempt at a business in the hunting industry go? Maybe that was phone scope, but maybe, I don’t know, something else. So tell us

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About that. No, you know, I, I had one other attempt in the hunting industry. You know, my dad always kind of told me that the famous saying, you know, if you enjoy what you’re doing, you never have to work a day in your life. And so I, I knew that I had this big passion for hunting and so I always kept my eyes open for something that I could do. And before Facebook came around, I started a company with a couple buddies called Track My Trophies. And Jason obviously

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Remembers this. Oh, I totally remember that. Yep.

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And it was similar to like a Facebook, but it was, we was probably launched about six months before Facebook came out, and we thought it was the coolest thing ever because he was able to track all your trophies throughout the years and therefore if anybody you wanted to show ’em something, you just send ’em a link to your profile and therefore it had a list of, of 2007 or a mule deer, you could break it down to whatever you wanted. And lo and behold, Facebook came out and totally smashed us. I mean, Facebook is just imagine that. Well, you know, it’s so powerful.

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And you know what’s interesting with that too is, is I had no interest in track my trophies and a lot of it was just the age. Like I wasn’t really used to social media being the outlet where us hunters can get together and see what everybody’s doing and keep track of each other and keep track of animals and, and, and now you, I can’t imagine a day without social media and in the hunting world, you know what I mean? And so, yeah. So it’s almost like your track, my trophies business was before its time. It, it was destined to fail because it was, it was such a good idea, but it was before anybody would use it. You need

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It, you needed Facebook to be as, be as big and successful. It was for hunters to think, well you should do that for hunting. You know what I mean? Almost needed to be six months after

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Yeah. To train hunters to get, oh, this is a viable way to get on and track everybody down and get track

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Everybody’s doing.

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You don’t have to text, text, don’t have to just text all your photos out to your Yeah. 2,800 friends and your phone or whatever like that.

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Yeah. So it was, yeah, looking back on that, and I still see some of your window stickers here and there, but looking, but looking back on that, and I’m not saying it failed, when I said destined to fail, it wasn’t that it just felt like it, it just was first time I wouldn’t have gone on track my trophies because they, I wasn’t into social media, but social media just barely, you know, barely in, in the sense of several years has become the thing to do.

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No, it’s very true. And that’s exactly kinda what it came down to. And Facebook came out, said it was okay, showed it was cool. And where it’s at now, it’s amazing to see what we’re able to utilize social media for. And I mean, honestly, you can sit down and do better scouting, checking out everybody else’s phone scope pictures on their page, and you can’t go out running a trail cam line, you know what I mean? It’s just, well,

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You can sit back

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And gain so much knowledge.

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We might have to jump into that a little bit and just teach people how to, I mean, under even like searching location and stuff that I, I, I’m actually on social media pretty aggressively, but I I, there’s some things that I’m unaware of. That’s cool. So maybe we enlighten some people. I dunno.

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So anyway, alright. And so you do, you do the track my trophies, and I know your dad, you’ve talked about your dad and maybe this is a time to give him a plug, but it did, does feel like you guys have a great relationship. He’s kind of a true entrepreneur, you know, as well as yourself. It seems like you were, you’re more of a, to me, and I’m just gonna throw this out there and I have no idea actually, but that you’re more of a marketer. You cranked with social media before most businesses cranked on social media as far as the hunting industry.

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Yeah. You know, that when we came out with, when we started phone scope, you know, we, we took all the, the money and budget that we had to, to be able to build the molds. I mean, it’s not cheap building foam molds. And my dad looks at me and he is like, Hey, this is what you got to work with for marketing. And that’s when you probably seen me go to work, Jason, on social media of acquiring every person that I possibly could that was doing good work that I knew would represent me well. And you know, social media’s a very powerful tool and it, I look back and I can only imagine how hard it would be to run a very successful company back in the day where you had to 100% just Mel in order to reach customers. Yeah. I mean, oh, it would just be tough and it would take years to be able to reach coast to coast and saturate a market where social media, honestly, like you said earlier, it, it’s, it’s given so much power to anybody that wants to try something and take a stab at something. It’s, it’s amazing. It’s, it really is. It’s, it’s well

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And you’s a dream. And again, you hit that one perfectly too, because now with the new algorithm algorithms and, and whatnot with, and I, and I’m, and I’m mentioning terms I know nothing about, but you know, with the new algorithms and whatnot, it’s hard to get a following on social media, Instagram, Facebook and whatnot versus, you know, when you first started, when I first started even Adam and stuff, this just seems like the last six months, I mean, the followings are going, the, the number of the gain, the percentage gain in followers is next to nothing and, and whatnot compared to when we first started that social media. So hit that one Perfect as well.

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Yeah, very true. And you know, big credit to Facebook as much as I, I wanna sit back and it makes me sick. ’cause they’re, they’re brilliant the way that they’ve set everything up, it gets you to acquire all these followers and then it’s like, oh, you gotta, we you gotta pay in order to reach ’em. I mean, from a business standpoint, it’s brilliant. Yeah, yeah. From a user standpoint, it sucks. Yeah.

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From a, from a users are happy standpoint, it sucks, you know, but oh yeah, we’re not gonna get off of it. Right? Like, you know, no,

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We, we, it’s the world

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Do we live in now? We need

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Bread and water now, pretty

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Much. Yeah, very true.

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So how did the, how did the concept of phone scope, who, whose was it, was it yours, your dad’s? And how did it first come to you? Was it out of, and I’ll just be frank here because Jason and I, and I know a lot of others are saying to our self, why didn’t we do that? Because we were holding our cameras up to our spotting scopes for, I don’t know, many years.

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Oh, years, Justin

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Years. And we’re like, oh, this is, look, check out this awesome video, you know? And it, I made

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DVDs a little handmade DVDs of the, of the footage for my clients when I was guiding back in the day. And I was holding it up. Why, why didn’t I do that? Why

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Didn’t we do that?

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And we’re smart, Justin, we’re smart. We should have done that. We

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Are, we, we just simply every year got our cameras. We, you know, it was before we did anything with our phones, but, but we grabbed our cameras, went to the hills, and that’s what we did. We videoed buck some bulls and rams through our spotting scope, handheld, and man, I’m, I’m cherry I had my elbows locked on my knees and I got some cherry footage, you know, and, you know, so tell us, maybe that’s how phone phone scope came about, but maybe, yeah, tell us, tell us how your, the idea was hatched because it’s obviously brilliant and perfectly timed for this, this world we live in now, and then the advancements of smartphones

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Too. Well, again, and let’s not give Justin too much credit here. ’cause quite

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Frankly yeah, no credit media, the

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Evolution of the phones and the video and the transferability of phone files was amazing. And you guys coming out with that in that timeframe with the timeframe of social media. I mean, come on. That’s perfect. That’s brilliant.

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You know, honestly, I’m gonna first start off and say we’ve been blessed. Honestly, it feels like, you know, very humble and and grateful for the opportunity we’ve had. Where, where phone scope came about is I’ve had a, i, I helped my camera up just like you guys did. I had the x y access ones, we had to thread it on, they had to move it over to the right, move it up to the left, and yeah, by the time you did all that, the animal was gone. I mean, we can’t tell ’em to hold on for five minutes while we hardly even set up our, our system, you know? Yep. So, but my biggest problem, I got to, when I was running my cameras, I got really bad at charging it and pulling the footage off of it. So I’d get out in the field and I’d either have a full SSD card or I’d have a dead battery or all the above. But when Palms came out, Palm trios, and this was, this is a long time ago still too,

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Like those palm pilot things that we

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Yeah, the Palm pilot. So there’s

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The blast from the past. Remember

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Those, you guys know those too, don’t you? So I had one of the very first palm cell phones that came out and I’m, I’m holding it up to my spotting scope. One day me and my dad are hunting deer up on the beaver mountain, and, which

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Is a terrible place to hunt, right?

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Yeah. Terrible place. There’s nobody should ever hunt there. All right. No, no, none.

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All right, keep going.

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And I’m, I’m looking through the spotting scope, you know, and we’re looking at a smaller four point, gonna be a nice buck one day. And I can see movement in the trees over to the left. And I was like, man, what is that? And I get looking and I make out a silhouette of a mountain lion. I’m like, holy crap. I was like, dad, take a look at this. So my dad jumps over on the spotter and he’s like, whoa. Well right then I grabbed my gun ’cause it’s gonna fire a shot off and like scare the animal, scare the lion and the deer away. Not gonna

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Hit it, not gonna harm it or

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Hurt. No, no. Not gonna harm it by all means. Just scare it all the way. And you know, at that time my dad’s like, no, no, no, no. Wait. He’s like, you really should probably try to video this and watch this. Because he’s like, this might be once in a lifetime opportunity. Yeah. And I’m sitting, I was like, man, so I’m, I’m trying to hold my phone up now ’cause I didn’t have my camera. And like, this was something new to me. My dad looks at me and he’s like, Justin, phones are evolving. He is like, why don’t we work? Why don’t we figure out a way to build a, a case to hold the phone up to the spotting scope. And you know that on the head, Jason, my dad and I were very similar, but we’re very competitive too. ’cause we’re so similar. I, I immediately, I’m like, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of Deb. They had them for cameras and I hated it. I was like, I’m better freehanded as the gigs.

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And, and I kinda left it at that, you know? Well the next day we, the next day I’m up hunting by myself and the wind’s blowing like, no, tomorrow I’m up really high on the Beaver mountains and I’m trying to video another buck and I just, I can’t hold myself steady. I’m like, dude, this is actually a pretty good idea. I go home and whip out a piece of P v C pipe and go over to my buddy that has a machine shop and he teaches me how to use a lathe a little bit. And we, we rigged it together and it looked pretty terrible. But the concept was born right there. Wow. And we was sitting in a patent attorney’s office about a week and a half later. And that was kind of, phone scope was built back in 2000 and of 2010, early 2011. So, I mean, it was, it was back when phones were still running, you know, the four to five megapixel cameras and very low, low quality type cameras. I think iPhone four just barely was starting to come out. Or maybe it was iPhone three, I can’t even remember.

00:22:01:12 –> 00:22:04:21
Wow. All I remember is the fours. I don’t even remember the threes.

00:22:05:06 –> 00:22:08:03
They, there was threes, don’t worry, I don’t remember them.

00:22:08:17 –> 00:22:16:09
And so even though it was low resolution, it was still, that was what we had to work with. And you probably thought you had the cats a there, you know, I mean, oh

00:22:16:09 –> 00:22:17:09
Dude. Yeah. So

00:22:18:22 –> 00:22:44:09
I mean, some of the footage that I used to think was cherry. I look back at it like, I laugh Yeah. Pound palm quarters. And I’m like, oh, what is it? Is that a deer? You know? And I was counting cheaters back in the day. So, alright, so 2010. So you, so the idea was born at this point in time, going back to what Adam’s kind of bringing us to this point, at this point in time, there’s no other businesses. You got Napa and this P V C, that’s what you’re dealing with. P V C.

00:22:44:20 –> 00:22:44:22

00:22:44:22 –> 00:22:48:03
Yep. That ’cause ’cause track My trophies was fizzled. I don’t remember. Yep.

00:22:48:20 –> 00:23:35:14
Okay. Well, I think track my trophies was still kind of hanging around there, but I can kind of tell that I, I chalked it up as a loss. And, you know, here’s one thing that I’m gonna put out there, and this is the way that I kind of look at life. Anything that you lose at you got, you gain more knowledge than you’re ever gonna lose. And so I’ve always looked at life a little differently. I love to lose because when I lose, I actually win in the long run. Yeah. And I learned so much from that. And so I was still learning and trying to dissect what I did wrong, how I could fix it perfect it, redo something. And that was when this opportunity came along that I was able to jump onto and grasp. You know, you hear of so many people failing, but it only takes one win in order to succeed. I mean, how many felt stocks do you have, Jason, before you get one? You know what I’m saying? Oh,

00:23:35:20 –> 00:23:40:09
I don’t wanna talk about it. Don’t bring that up a lot, Justin. A lot. But

00:23:40:14 –> 00:23:53:20
On, on camera. I mean, it looks like Jason’s perfect every time. But honestly, I’m gonna tell the real story. Jason Fells a lot. Everybody that’s listening, but when he wins, he really wins. Okay. He, he, he grand slams it. Geez. Well,

00:23:54:06 –> 00:23:56:14
I just think it’s funny, Justin, how old, how old are you?

00:23:56:28 –> 00:23:58:00
29. All

00:23:58:00 –> 00:24:04:25
Right. You’re 29. So that means you’re giving us life lessons and quotes from a 29 year old from your personal life experience

00:24:05:07 –> 00:24:05:10

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00:24:06:00 –> 00:24:06:04

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00:24:07:10 –> 00:24:41:17
But having said that, I’ve watched what you’ve done, and if anybody’s out there capable of giving people life lessons and, and, and starting to give us some quotes to help us in life and business, it’s you, you, it’s been very impressive. Anybody that’s in the hunting industry that has been affiliated with phone scope at all knows what it was born out of and what you built it up to be. And so I do want to give you a plug. I mean, we all fun and games aside, it’s pretty impressive what you and your dad have done. And I, and I don’t know if you have other partners, but I, but you and your dad is what I know of and it seems like it’s pretty been just amazing.

00:24:42:12 –> 00:24:48:16
Well, I do appreciate that. And honestly, I’m just, I just got lucky. But it’s good to get lucky once in a while. Right.

00:24:48:27 –> 00:25:17:29
Good timing. Yeah. So I know it sounds probably a little bit rudimentary, but there may be listeners that, that have never used a phone scope. So I mean, the idea was born to have a, a bracket system to hold your phone up to your spotting scope. So tell us basically how it works and how unique. And obviously in six, seven years now, it’s evolved maybe to where it is now, but you know, for all smartphone varieties and scopes and everything like that, tell us about what you got for everybody.

00:25:18:20 –> 00:25:59:07
Yeah, so basically it’s a two piece system and, and how we invented it and, and built it around was the consumer side. We’ve never been on the manufacturing side of things. We’ve always been the consumer. We’ve always bought product, right? So we wanted to make it to where it was affordable for anybody to buy a new phone case if they get a new phone. So instead of making the adapter and phone case all in one mold, we’re like, why don’t we make a phone case that has a universal attachment to where if somebody gets a new phone, they don’t have to buy the whole kit again. That way it’s affordable for them. So we kinda looked at it differently than probably most people because we, we wanted it, if we was gonna buy it, how would we buy it? Right? Yeah. That’s what we wanted to build.

00:25:59:07 –> 00:26:51:28
Yeah. So we, we built the two piece system to where a, you give us a call and tell us what phone you have, what optics you have. We build you the, we put the kit together, you twist ’em together, you rock it and rolling. Say you get a new phone in a year or two, you call us up, Hey, I got a new iPhone 12. We send you the case for the iPhone 12. You can still use your existing optic adapter. You never have to buy that adapter again. It’s all made out of a nylon a b, s material. So it’s reinforced super strong. We have a lifetime warranty on all of our products, but it’s ultra lightweight, which is something all of us hunters are destined for is lightweight. So we, we tried metal, we tried all the above. The problem is, is we, we had problems with it shrinking and expanding due to temperature, temperatures and necessary evil that we all play with in the hunting industry. So anywhere from what, Jason 112 to negative 10. Yeah,

00:26:52:20 –> 00:27:23:20
I’ve used it in 112, I promise you that. So it’s been amazing. And then I can see what you’re saying with the metal, like now with these cases you kind of snap ’em in place. You need it to be a little bit pliable to snap it in and to have it fit tight and whatnot. And then also you can keep it on, you know, most guys just keep it on all year round. And so, you know, you twist off the adapter that never, doesn’t ever stay on all the time, just, just when you’re gonna video something. But the basic case is low profile, thin fits in your pocket, you know, and it just stays on and protects your phone like a normal case would.

00:27:24:06 –> 00:27:24:14

00:27:25:03 –> 00:27:42:10
So and so anyway. And so, and like you said, with with your adapters, you’re adapting this thing to, you know, to the fifteens, the tens, any kind of binocular, anything that has an optic in it, you can, is what you’re working towards or, or have accomplished Right. As they’re coming out with remodels or

00:27:42:13 –> 00:28:28:24
Whatever. Yeah. But, yep. I mean, anything in the hunting industry, we basically adapt to, we’ve got a couple mills and lays in our office here in Beaver to where we’ll custom build stuff for people sending stuff in or sending us into dimensions. I mean, we custom build every single day, but we are, we’re also big into like healthcare industry, science departments. I mean, we’re sending stuff to colleges and so it’s, it’s quite a bit bigger than just the hunting industry, but hunting is where we started hunting’s my passion. And so that’s kind of where we, we planned our flag and take a lot of time and pride in is the, is the, the industry that’s, that we find it’s, it’s continuing to give back and, you know, it’s full of a bunch of great people and we enjoy, enjoy socializing and just BSing and telling stories and lies, honestly. Yeah.

00:28:29:01 –> 00:28:35:07
Well that’s crazy how you’ve morphed that into birding. I mean, you’re selling, you’re selling stuff to anti hunters. I just think it’s hilarious.

00:28:36:06 –> 00:28:37:10
Yeah, yeah. You know, it’s,

00:28:38:11 –> 00:29:15:26
You should try going to a birding show. I, I was there one time and this is, I’ll tell the story, you guys are gonna laugh. I’m, I’m at one of these shows, I think I was in Columbus, Ohio, and I had a picture on my screensaver as my wife with the bullet she killed. And I go to show this lady how the phone scope works and I turn it on and the lady’s like, oh. And I was like, what, what’s wrong? And she’s like, that, that elk, I was like, oh, it’s asleep, don’t worry about it. And then I, I go straight into the video, right? And so I’m showing her how it works. I’m probably a good three minutes later, all of a sudden she’s like, tell me, how’s that elk asleep your wife sitting by it? And I look at her, I was like, oh,

00:29:16:02 –> 00:29:23:22
Research all research me out here in Utah. They darted him, got me take some measurements. My wife wanted to pet it and so I took a picture.

00:29:25:08 –> 00:29:35:08
No, I was just totally in shock. And it was like three minutes later, all of a sudden she’s like turns and asked me in the middle of a demonstration. I’m like, so I mean chalk that one up as a lost sale

00:29:36:07 –> 00:29:59:17
Basically. I’m gonna have to teach this lady where meat’s made. Exactly. I’m gonna have to teach her how Walmart gets me. Oh gosh. That’s hilarious. Well, yeah. And so now you got like, you know, vehicles wrapped, you got a burning vehicle, you got a hunting vehicle or, or I see like multiple vehicles. So I don’t know if they’re all phone scopes or if you’re just kind of selling wraps or how that’s all shaken out.

00:30:00:09 –> 00:30:21:08
Yeah, they’re pretty much our, our employees vehicles or vehicles we have here at the office. You know, I was, that’s kind of some of our advertising budget. But yeah, we, we put some of our advertising budget into wrapping trucks and vehicles here at the office just because we’re on the road a lot. It looks good. But you know, if you wanna know where my hunting spots are, just look for a phone scope truck. You

00:30:21:08 –> 00:30:23:07
Find them? Yeah. Well that’s,

00:30:23:09 –> 00:30:29:02
And that’s one thing Jason told me at the very beginning. He’s like, dude, you’ve gotta get an unmarked truck or else people’s gonna know where you’re hunting,

00:30:29:11 –> 00:30:31:05
Buy a new one every year. A new use. Or trucks.

00:30:31:19 –> 00:30:32:04
Or trucks

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Or trucks. Yeah, thats

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00:30:35:28 –> 00:31:00:06
Any other products you guys offer? I mean, besides the, the phone scope stuff for any of your and, and maybe wraps and things like that, but is that what you mainly can find it to? It’s obviously evolved in seven years, you know, as scopes, new scopes come out, new phone models. So it’s not like you just, you know, you always are on top of every single year or month, you know, a new new Samsung or iPhone, whatever. It’s like you’re going to work all the time.

00:31:00:07 –> 00:31:05:18
No, the best thing about your business is every time Samsung or iPhone comes out with a new model, you got more sales.

00:31:06:10 –> 00:31:21:25
Oh, you know, that’s the best thing in the worst thing because it’s upfront money, upfront time, all the above. But then in the long run it’s like, oh man, I’m grateful they did it. So at first it’s like you got a lot of hate towards Samsung and then in the long run it’s like, oh man, I love these guys. You know, they’re best friends.

00:31:22:05 –> 00:31:34:24
Yeah. Same thing with the, the new what? B T X and some of these optics. Yeah. Oh yeah. It’s a love hate situation right there. You got people, like, you go to work, you got people like me pounding your door down trying to get an adapter.

00:31:35:11 –> 00:31:54:01
Oh, it’s, it’s exactly it, you know, and I love it. I, I told Dean the other day, I was like, man, best thing he ever did was come out with that B T X. He’s like, why? I was like, because now we just told him a bunch more skews. I said, but the worst thing he did was come out with it too, because now you put us so far behind. Yeah, we’ve got to come out this man. He starts laughing. He’s like, you think you’re behind? Yeah.

00:31:55:03 –> 00:32:04:24
Well that’s awesome. And so let’s see, like Adam’s kind of alluding to about your other products, but at this point you’d no longer work at Napa, right? Or do you

00:32:05:19 –> 00:32:41:13
I still have ’em a little bit, a little bit over here in the Beaver area. Okay. Just ’cause it’s a market that I’ve taken pride in and I’m a very loyal person, which is might be a problem of mine. But I love it because, you know, I’ve been, I’ve worked over here since I was 14. Yeah. So I helped Matt over here a little bit. But as far as actually a nine or a Monday through Friday type of job, now I’ve, I’m a hundred percent out working on my own. Okay. And I’m enjoying it, hating it at the same time. But you, you learn a lot when it come, when you start working for yourself and that’s something that you boys know. Exactly. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s not for everybody, but it’s also a great thing. ’cause you get to, you get to learn a lot.

00:32:41:17 –> 00:32:53:20
And so the does it, did Adam have it correct? As far as the products? You basically are still, I, I know you got other businesses going. I, I just know you, but I mean, but phone scope, what you do at phone scope. Is there any other products you sell?

00:32:54:25 –> 00:33:09:11
You know, we’ve kind of advanced it. We, some of our number one questions that we’ve got people call in. They’re like, Hey, my phone keeps dying when, when I’m out phone scoping, what should I do? I’m like, well charge your phone. I mean that’s, it’s common common sense phone, you know, the

00:33:09:11 –> 00:33:10:21
Phone scope’s not draining the battery.

00:33:11:16 –> 00:33:13:01
Yeah. That’s not

00:33:13:01 –> 00:33:20:07
At all using my phone and the battery’s dying. Okay. So basically you’re gonna come out with a phone scope battery, Justin. That’s, that’s the next step. Yeah. Well

00:33:20:07 –> 00:33:23:26
We came, yeah, we came out with a phone scope battery bank. You know what I mean? Did you, did

00:33:23:26 –> 00:33:24:14
You, did you Yeah,

00:33:24:14 –> 00:33:24:27
We’ve got, oh,

00:33:25:02 –> 00:33:32:09
I thought, I thought I, I thought I’d come up with a new idea for you. I guess I’m gonna have to stretch a little longer. You did. I didn’t know that actually. I

00:33:32:09 –> 00:34:39:27
Didn’t know that. Yeah, so we’ve got our, and you know, I had ’em engineer it around being ultra lightweight using some of the updated battery technology that’s, that’s lightweight, but yet it’s gonna give you a hundred percent of the battery till it’s totally dead. Get two and a half charges. You know, something that’s kind of built around us that, that we can all utilize, you know, so that like the shutter button, there’s nothing worse than touching your screen and getting the shake when you’re trying to take a picture. So we created that Bluetooth remote. It’s, it’s engineered specifically for digi scoping. I mean there’s shutter buttons on the market. This one’s made for digi scoping. You hold the button down, it bursts mode, it takes off. It turns off after once you leave it on your backpack. ’cause we know, all of us guys, we see a big buck. We take pictures, we throw all our stuff in our backpack and we’re gone. We don’t turn stuff off. Right. Right. So we’ve engineered a bunch of features into these type of ideas that, you know, the only way we learn about this stuff is by user experience and listen to our users. And so that’s one thing that I’ve really enjoyed and and pride in is listening to how we can advance and change our product and help out the users to be able to make their experience a better experience.

00:34:40:22 –> 00:34:54:10
Well that’s crazy. And so the shutter button, it’s got its own little battery. It’s super lightweight. Like it’s an, I don’t even know if it’s an ounce. I don’t know, it’s just, yeah. Retarded how light it is. But is it, it does shut off automatically. It does have a switch on there, but you don’t have to use it.

00:34:55:07 –> 00:35:19:01
No. So this, it’ll automatically turn off and then if you leave it on, then you’ll just need to switch it off and then back on in order to power it back on. Oh, okay. That way it’s just that we didn’t want ’em draining batteries that way. Yeah. I’m just, I just know that from experience. I leave mine on all the time because I’m like, oh crap dude, look at that buck pretty soon. Like I gotta get to a higher point, throw it all in and I totally forget it’s even there pretty soon. It’s dead when I go to use it two weeks later or something. Yeah,

00:35:19:07 –> 00:36:16:04
Makes sense. Well cool. And then, yeah, maybe, maybe this is the time. Like you remember when it, when we, well when phone scope was in its infancy, you and I were talking and you, you could actually touch the screen and hold it down and it, and it like will actually clarify. It gets everything clear in the scope and in your picture and it locks it, it puts on a lock mode on your phone. Yeah. Which is a, when you first learned about it, you know, when we talked about it, it was kind of one of those, it was a kind of a big deal, you know, ’cause that was, that changed the game. We didn’t have to just kind of hope it was in focus or touch the screen once and then, you know, heat waves might adjust that focus and whatnot. And so is there any other tips or tricks in using this stuff that you’ve found? Or you know, how to make it easy for guys, you know, whether your phone’s up and down, whether it’s horizontal, what I, I don’t know. Just kind of teach people, you know, the best way to use it and to use their phone.

00:36:16:07 –> 00:36:24:11
Yeah. Do you use your scope zoom or Zoom Zoom on the phone bowls? Yeah. How do you, how do you compare, use the two and when do you use ’em and things like that as well.

00:36:25:11 –> 00:36:56:25
Yeah, by all means. So the best way to to start off is to throw it on and then figure out where the sweet spot of your scope is and that by the sweet spot I’m talking the I relief. Yeah. So I’ll usually just throw my phone on even crooked and then twist it in and out the I relief with the phone on and see when I get rid of that circle to get rid of the vignette. Right? Yeah. Where I get the best picture. That’s where it needs to be. So I’ll pull it off, straighten it, put it back on, and then use as much zoom of your scope as you possibly can. Eliminate the digital zoom as much as you possibly can.

00:36:56:28 –> 00:37:17:02
And digital zoom, let’s just in your camera, we bring it back to layman’s terms so to speak. Is is not zooming in your, your phone itself and blowing up the screen is actually using the optical zoom of the scope optics, you know, and then use your digital, I actually use this digital zoom just a little bit once in a while to get rid of the black quickly, you know, so I don’t have to

00:37:17:02 –> 00:37:17:08
Put it on

00:37:17:16 –> 00:37:18:14
And take it off, you know.

00:37:18:20 –> 00:38:04:14
Yeah, you’re good for about to two to three x I mean these newer phones are coming out with, you’re good for even further than that. Yeah. But we like to dial in as much as you can. The new iPhone seven plus is, dude, it’s crazy because it’s got that two times optical zoom, so it’s basically a doubler, it’s doubling your scope before you even have to do anything with it. Yeah. So there’s a bunch of little key tips and tricks like that. You know, the one on the head locking in the manual focus, holding your finger down and then just using the focus of your scope and now you’re basically transforming your scope and phone into an S L R feature. And it’s, it’s pretty powerful. It’s pretty amazing. I mean, you guys filmed some crazy stuff. I mean, Chris was filming all that stuff for Under Armour at long distance and air it on outdoor TV and

00:38:04:20 –> 00:38:27:08
Well, yeah, and it was, well a lot of that, well Chris, Chris Manu, Chris ran the wazoo cameras, you know, and then when we were looking through the spotting scope, I, I would actually just throw up my phone on it and we used that. Chris would use that footage and of course the producers as well use that footage on TV from your phone. It changed. It was a game changer. You know what I mean? Yeah.

00:38:27:16 –> 00:38:28:00
It’s crazy

00:38:28:08 –> 00:38:36:23
To be able to do that. And, and again, we didn’t, I mean this was back even when I would say phone scope was somewhat infancy 2013 2012.

00:38:37:07 –> 00:38:45:29
Yeah. With a tripod. Even a big wazoo, tripod mounted camera. You can’t film at the distances out there and tell what the buck is

00:38:46:10 –> 00:39:15:10
A mile. We would use a TV footage at a mile, mile and a half. Yeah. And yet, and I don’t get, I don’t, I, I guess I’m not a videographer guy, but you’d have to have like a Zoom limb, what do you think? Like three foot long to be able to actually suck it in, you know, 30 pounds of optics to be able to suck it in that deep. That’s what was really cool about the, you know, and hunting and TV and the, the dynamics between bringing hunting to TV and not having optical ability to do that. You know, that’s where phone scope was a game changer for, for, for our TV production really.

00:39:15:26 –> 00:39:17:00
So Yeah, true.

00:39:17:10 –> 00:39:53:12
It was, it was pretty awesome. And then the better the phones get the, and and the more transferrable the files are with airdrop and everything, it just, it was just, it’s amazing. It’s so awesome. So anyway, and then, so we did, we would touch that screen, lock in, the lock in the exposure and everything, but you can just kind of drag your finger up and down and change the exposure and whatnot. ’cause as you know, I mean, sometimes you’re filming at noon and it’s bright and anyway, we adjusted some things like that. But that’s what I kind of wanted to bring up is if there was any other, which you, you’ve enlightened us on some. Is there anything else you can think of that, you know, helps on the quality and whatnot?

00:39:54:11 –> 00:40:02:16
You know, other than that, I just recommend the shutter button for taking pictures. That way you have no motion at all. Yeah. A little bit of shake on the one side is a lot of shake once you’re zoomed in.

00:40:02:21 –> 00:40:06:26
And is it, and far as a scope, a phone being up there, horizontal versus vertical?

00:40:07:25 –> 00:40:41:22
I mean, depends on what you’re looking for. If you’re looking for Instagram stories, then vertical’s actually the best. Okay. Which I would never say that as of last year, I was always like totally horizontal against it. Yeah. Horizontal. Because that’s just the aspect ratio that we watch it on. Our TVs, our computer monitors, all the above. Yeah. But there’s a lot of people that prefer running at vertical. So I just, I’ve kind of quit being so critical about it and said, eh, it’s whatever you’re looking for. But if you’re looking for the best theatrical type production, you need to run it horizontally. ’cause you’re gonna be able to get that full frame. Okay.

00:40:41:22 –> 00:40:47:29
That’s what I don’t think many people understand. Like so for YouTubers you need to use it ver horizontal. Yeah.

00:40:47:29 –> 00:40:51:17
Horizontal. Yep. If not, you’ll have the black bars on each side that you’ll have to fill in.

00:40:51:23 –> 00:41:02:23
That’s, yeah, that’s good. That’s good to know. And then also the phone settings. I mean your, your phone will video in different formats and, and whatnot. Tell us about that real quick.

00:41:03:11 –> 00:41:33:24
Yeah, these phones now are cranking out 30 frames per second and four k I mean, your slowmo, you’re getting clipped two 40 frames per second and I think seven 20. I mean, you can video a vapor trail out of a rifle at seven 20 or 240 frames. And it’s just amazing. It, the settings of these things are cranking out is just, I mean it’s, yeah. They’re exceeding outdoor channel’s, resolution on satellite tv. Like it’s just crazy

00:41:34:00 –> 00:41:38:18
Phone. Yeah. And the phone. And you’re talking storage that’s gone up in the last five or six years.

00:41:39:04 –> 00:41:44:05
Oh, Adam and I, Adam and I don’t off, we don’t buy a phone unless it’s like 120 something, what is it?

00:41:44:10 –> 00:41:44:29
1 28?

00:41:45:01 –> 00:41:46:08
Yeah, something above, right?

00:41:46:11 –> 00:41:55:02
Yeah. 50. And then the cloud too. Yeah. The cloud has been such a blessing because then you can just roll unlimited footage and just keeps on adding to the cloud. Yeah.

00:41:55:05 –> 00:41:55:24
So, I dunno,

00:41:55:24 –> 00:41:59:16
I just, Samsung’s still a blessing ’cause they’ve got SD cards, which, you know,

00:42:00:01 –> 00:42:00:23
Yeah, that’s nice.

00:42:00:25 –> 00:42:01:25
I love ’em for that. But

00:42:02:07 –> 00:42:13:10
I would love to have an SD card. I I, and I don’t use the cloud like I should. And anyway, that’s a whole nother subject for another day. But I’m not very good at all this stuff.

00:42:13:19 –> 00:42:45:20
You mentioned, you know, cool footage and stuff like that. I’m sure you’re getting people either tagging you on social media, you’re getting people send you pictures or video from time to time. What are some of the, and it’s maybe hard on the spot to talk about some of the coolest footage, but you know, you, you start off talking about trying to film a mountain lion, trying to kill a deer, whatever. That’s maybe how the whole concept was hatched. But have you ever have you, yourself, or what are some of the coolest stuff you’ve seen come across your desk by consumers that have had your product in their hands?

00:42:46:25 –> 00:42:56:29
You know, honestly, I’ve seen some amazing stuff anywhere from kill shots. I mean, Jason even, what was it, your brother-in-law’s killing that sheep last year? Yeah.

00:42:57:11 –> 00:42:57:22
Oh yeah.

00:42:57:26 –> 00:42:59:24
I mean, dude, that was a hammer shot.

00:43:00:05 –> 00:43:11:14
Yeah. That was my, well actually Jeff who works here, you know, at Epic, it was his brother Drew the rocky sheep. Okay. Rocky Sheep here in Utah. And, and it was an epic shot. It was awesome.

00:43:12:10 –> 00:43:29:10
Oh dude, it was amazing. You know, anywhere from kill shots and we’ve seen a ton of ’em. So we’ve started our own new Instagram account and it’s Scope TV and all it is is a hundred percent just straight up dirty rot, rotten kill shots. Just ones that just make you Oh, just, you know, really the ones that you, yeah,

00:43:29:13 –> 00:43:33:20
I didn’t even know that you’re doing. I’m gonna have to follow you. I’m gonna, in fact, while we’re talking, I might have to go on there.

00:43:33:29 –> 00:43:34:26

00:43:35:02 –> 00:43:38:20
Tv. Yep. S K O P E D tv. Follow

00:43:38:20 –> 00:43:39:14
Follow for follow.

00:43:40:15 –> 00:43:42:18
There you go. I’ll, I’ll make sure we come hit you.

00:43:43:09 –> 00:43:46:07
No, no underscore after scoped.

00:43:46:28 –> 00:44:09:29
I don’t think so. But since we’re, I’ll admit, I dropped my phone in Lake Powell a couple days ago, so I can’t even log into it. So I don’t even know if Tim usually handles all that type of stuff. So I’m sure that there’s probably been something updated in the last day or two. But there’s some pretty cool stuff that we’ll be showing throughout that, that we kill shots, we try to keep our other Instagram fairly professional per per

00:44:09:29 –> 00:44:11:02
Se. Broad. Yeah. You’re trying to,

00:44:11:06 –> 00:44:14:04
Where we all know that we’re far from professional. Yeah.

00:44:14:13 –> 00:44:20:29
You’re trying to appeal to the broad spectrum of users from burgers to hunters to Yeah. You know, anybody

00:44:20:29 –> 00:44:22:13
That stumbles onto us. Yeah,

00:44:22:17 –> 00:44:28:24
Exactly. So yeah, you wanna sell your stuff to whoever, whoever wants to buy one and you’re, you sell it too. Yeah,

00:44:29:13 –> 00:44:54:00
Exactly. You know, but from kill shots, even vapor trails, there’s some awesome vapor trails. We’ve seen 1500 yard shots. You can see the bullet just going straight up and coming straight down and ringing still. But I mean, I’d probably say the best video, I’d probably say it would be the one that Dale Pearson, the guy from up in Northern Utah video that on an antelope island. It was a, it was a mature buck being taken down by three coyotes.

00:44:54:09 –> 00:44:54:18

00:44:55:14 –> 00:45:09:06
That was probably, that’s probably the, the coolest I want. Not necessarily saying coolest because it’s not cool that it was the deer that the deer was killed. But it was cool to see how, you know, unforgiving and nasty. Just

00:45:09:10 –> 00:45:10:06
Raw. Natural,

00:45:10:18 –> 00:45:24:04
Yeah. They’re raw that that mother nature truly is. And how terrible these coyotes really are on our deer herd. I mean, it shows you that the deer out antelope bylander are healthy as it gets. Right. They’re big. Yeah.

00:45:24:21 –> 00:46:03:29
And these coyotes just straight up take and this deer’s kicking and it’s popping pe it’s popping coyotes in the face and they take it down and just kill it. I mean it’s, it’s sad but it also is eyeopening that, you know, we as SS Sportsmans need to get out and, and do our part to try to save what we take pride in. You know, we all pass on big, we pass on good bucks to help they grow bigger. But if we don’t do our part on the management side, we might, we really might be missing the key feature. And that’s kind of what this video shows. It opened my eyes big time because I was one of those guys. I’m like, dude, the coyotes not gonna go out and kill a big buck. Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, I was totally wrong.

00:46:04:09 –> 00:46:06:07
Yeah, that’s crazy. So

00:46:06:17 –> 00:46:10:01
Being put on the spot, that’s probably one I would say just ’cause it opened my eyes.

00:46:10:20 –> 00:47:13:14
Yeah, well I’m a little partial, but we videoed that, you know, 280 inch deer that Tyler Wayman killed in New Mexico and that footage was unbelievable. Oh yeah. Yeah. And you remember it, but it was like, you know, 250 yards. And, and again, you know, to us nowadays, 250 yards is nothing. But, you know, without a phone scope. Yeah. Without using your phone, without try to get that footage, it’s just not possible. You, you know, it’s, it’s not gonna happen. I mean, we’ve, and we’ve videoed a, a shot toward the deer and all of that kind of stuff that got to relive that and figure out where he hit. Oh, yeah. So there was a lot of, there’s just, and you can tell where you hit or did this or did that. And so anyway, there’s just so much that, so much good that comes from, you know, videoing your stuff and so, anyway. Well, cool. I know you’ve got a lot of footage out there. The people are using it nonstop and once it’s just like a snowball effect, you know, people get going and everybody wants to share and, and just keep cranking. So I’m sure you’re just dealing with gobs and gobs of it.

00:47:14:06 –> 00:47:38:06
Yeah. You know, we’re grateful and we love it. We love seeing the footage. We’re grateful for everybody. You know, at the end of the day, and I’ve said it before, we don’t have customers. We got friends and family. Anybody that’s, that supports us and buys from us. I mean, do we consider ’em all a friend? We’re here for ’em. If they have any questions, need help on support, whatever. Yeah. Give us a call, shoot us a, a text, a message, whatever. We wanna make sure anybody’s getting the best footage as they possibly can. ’cause that’s kinda the name of the game.

00:47:38:20 –> 00:47:42:04
So tell us, like, you’re in Walmart now, right?

00:47:42:19 –> 00:47:44:18
Yeah. Where can they, where can they find

00:47:44:18 –> 00:47:48:26
You? So they find you from Walmart, I mean, or is it just off the web? Or how do we, how

00:47:48:26 –> 00:48:44:26
We do this? Yeah, they can buy ’em on the web. Walmart only stocks a few universal kits, so all, they’re not really the ideal kit for probably the people listening on this show. Anybody looking to buy a kit. I mean, obviously our phone website has everything we have as well as anything custom that needs to be built can be purchased there. Sportsman’s Warehouse has a brand new gondola we just put in. It’s a spinner one, so it’s double-sided suite setup, and they’ve got a ton of product. So if you’ve got a local Sportsman’s warehouse swing by, they’ve got a great setup with a ton product. Also, Cabela’s has a great setup, shields, and then a ton of local moms, local mom and pop shops. They’re also a great place to buy. I mean, we’ve got a dealer locator on our website. You can jump on our website, pull the dealer locator, see if something’s close by, if not, I mean, jump on your website ship all day every day. So yeah, we can ship stuff pretty quick to you.

00:48:45:09 –> 00:49:35:29
All right, let’s take a quick break. We wanna do a little giveaway here on the Epic Outdoors Podcast. We’re gonna give away a free phone scope adapter for your phone that attaches to whatever optic you have. So anyway, we’re gonna give one away with this particular episode. To win, you would go to epic, and there is a podcast giveaway entry form on the right hand side of the page. The podcast code for this particular giveaway will be Thanks. Phone scope. So just one, one solid word no spaces. T h A N k Ss, p h o n e s k o p e. Get on there and do it. We’ll give it away here in one week. So what other projects are you involved in? I know, I don’t know what you wanna air out on here, but I know you were working on a few things that we’re kind of, you know Yeah.

00:49:36:01 –> 00:50:03:27
You know, we’ve got one that I wanna, I wanna release it here on your show here in here in a month or two. Okay. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna make you put my annoying butt back on Okay. On the phone. Yeah. But you know, we’ve, we’ve got something really cool that we’re excited to release that we’ve had a lot of, a lot of our users asking for, for a long time. And we’ve, we’ve about got it perfected. It’s taken us about four and a half years, but we’re getting there. So we’re excited to, to drop that. Wow.

00:50:04:24 –> 00:50:12:12
Four and a half years. Well, we might need a little prototype, you know. Oh yeah. You got a prototype that me and Adam can abuse here in the next month or two. Yeah,

00:50:12:12 –> 00:50:15:26
I could probably swing by one of these days since you guys live so far away from me.

00:50:17:13 –> 00:50:48:29
Yeah, cool. We’re right on. All right, well, I won’t ask you any more about that. I don’t want to, you know, divulge anything. Actually, I, I, you know, there was other businesses and different things that we’ve talked about, but, you know, I don’t know where you’re at on those, and so we can leave it at that. Tell us about your hunting schedule. I know you’ve had all kinds of crazy awesome tags, and of course now that you’re working in the hunting industry, I know you’ve, you know, the opportunities are probably endless, but you have New Mexico, Utah, Colorado. I mean, you’ve done a lot. And so talk, talk a little bit about that.

00:50:49:18 –> 00:51:22:10
Yeah, it’s been fun. You know, you guys have drew me some great tags too, which I, I would’ve never had the opportunity if it wasn’t for you being like, dude, look, you’re busy. Let me help you out. Yeah. And so I’m grateful for, for you guys to be able to pull some of the tags for me. But this year I’ll be, I’ll be out in Nevada. You guys got me that one tag. Yep. Hunting mule deer. I’ll be Colorado. Third season, obviously I’ll be in Utah hunting deer and elk. And then I’ve also, I was able to get a Wyoming Commissioner’s tag as well, so, geez, I’ll be able to, you

00:51:22:12 –> 00:51:24:14
Gonna hunt elk? Yeah. Or what species are you gonna go after?

00:51:25:27 –> 00:51:27:11
Turning side? No.

00:51:27:11 –> 00:51:32:28
Yeah. ’cause on those you get to do antelope, belcon, deer. You know, I thought you’d probably use it on antelope. No,

00:51:33:03 –> 00:51:34:07
I’m, I was thinking antelope,

00:51:36:14 –> 00:51:41:17
I’m just giving you grief, but yeah, no, it is, it is a state that’s well known for antelope and some giants, but

00:51:41:24 –> 00:51:43:17
Yeah, it’s very, it’s very true. But you’re

00:51:43:20 –> 00:51:45:10
Probably thinking, probably thinking elk, huh?

00:51:46:02 –> 00:51:57:17
Yeah. You know, I don’t know. I don’t know why people are so passionate about mul deer elk’s, where it’s at and cheap. I mean, I don’t get, I don’t get podcast people like hunting sheep and mul deer. You know, this

00:51:57:17 –> 00:51:59:07
Podcast might be over. Right. Cheaper spike,

00:51:59:23 –> 00:52:00:17
Cheaper spikes.

00:52:01:26 –> 00:52:03:02
Elk are interesting. Steer

00:52:03:05 –> 00:52:06:17
Spike. So you love elk. Cheaper spikes, huh? You love elk. I mean, that’s

00:52:06:22 –> 00:52:32:23
A, I mean, think about it. How fun is it being 15 yards away from a bull that’s four times the size of you. Yeah. Tearing a tree peeing all over. I mean, yeah, dude, there’s just something about it. And Jason knows me and I give him crap all the time. I don’t know, I’m an elk nut and it’s probably because I’m not a good enough hunter to hunt mule deer because they don’t tell me where they’re at. So when I’m hunting up, it’s like, oh, there’s one over there. Let’s go scream and

00:52:32:23 –> 00:52:34:06
Say, I’m over here. Come hunt me

00:52:34:07 –> 00:52:37:05
From a mile away in thick trees. You can tell where the bulls are.

00:52:37:15 –> 00:52:48:07
Yeah. I mean, if, if mule deer ran around with like red balloons that popped up every so often, that might be my new favorite species. But you know, until then I’m just gonna have to stick it out on these elk. Yeah.

00:52:49:08 –> 00:52:59:11
Well Dan Evans, I talked to him one day and he was, you know, of course we all know he’s a elk freak, but that’s what he always said about elk. They tell you where they’re at and they trash the place. It’s not hard to find where they’re at. So

00:52:59:17 –> 00:53:01:16
That’s true. And I love it. Well,

00:53:01:19 –> 00:53:08:25
Well good. So probably doing elk, if you did elk, let’s just say if you did it, I mean, would you be hunting it with your bow rifle? Both. What are you thinking?

00:53:09:19 –> 00:53:12:17
You know, I haven’t even thought that far ahead Justin.

00:53:12:25 –> 00:53:13:22
Justin. It’s really

00:53:14:00 –> 00:53:14:29
Need thinking close August 1st.

00:53:15:03 –> 00:53:15:13
It’s like

00:53:15:27 –> 00:53:16:06

00:53:16:20 –> 00:53:19:04
I know I’m saying I really should thinking, but

00:53:19:04 –> 00:53:21:19
By the, by the way, we have some endorsed outfitters. If you need some,

00:53:23:14 –> 00:53:25:10
You might need to secretly send that list over.

00:53:26:26 –> 00:53:28:06
Yeah. Oh shoot. Well,

00:53:28:13 –> 00:53:31:19
Sounds like you got a good lineup there from Yeah, little bit

00:53:32:01 –> 00:53:35:01
Colorado, Utah, three or four different states. Wyoming, Nevada. Yeah. That’s

00:53:35:01 –> 00:54:09:25
Awesome. Yeah, it should, should be a fun year. You know, the funnest hunt I’ve had in a long time was that one in New Mexico. It taught me a lot about myself. You know, I didn’t kill a bull. We passed a lot of good bulls, but it was one of those, the old saying back that grandma and grandpa always tell you it was going to school uphill both ways. Dude. That’s how the Gila was where I was at. No joke about it. I’m pretty sure Davey put me out there. ’cause he’s like, yeah, I’m not gonna send any of my other clients out there. So he’s like, here dude, go out. ’cause literally we’d parked the, we’d parked the canam and we’d have to hike up and over the mountain to get in the valley. Yeah, you’d hunt all day and then you’d have to hike up and back out. Yeah.

00:54:10:01 –> 00:54:10:23
And yeah,

00:54:11:07 –> 00:54:19:23
It was a, it was a good hunt. And we learned, we learned a lot and had a great time. And that’s kinda what hunting is all about to me, is just getting out and having a good time. Yeah. So,

00:54:20:06 –> 00:54:27:04
Well good. Is that, have you got a favorite hunting memory from way back or, or does that New Mexico?

00:54:27:25 –> 00:54:33:22
You know, I’d probably say when I killed my, I killed a four oh inch bull back when I was in high school.

00:54:34:02 –> 00:54:34:19
You did not?

00:54:35:16 –> 00:54:36:22
I did. I killed a, I

00:54:36:22 –> 00:54:37:17
Didn’t know that tank

00:54:37:17 –> 00:54:38:25
On Beaver. Yeah, I

00:54:38:25 –> 00:54:41:29
Didn’t know that. Okay. High school. So we’re talking two years ago.

00:54:42:19 –> 00:54:42:28

00:54:43:26 –> 00:54:45:14
Dude, I’m just teasing you

00:54:45:26 –> 00:54:50:07
Pro. I bet if somebody sat me and you next to each other, they’d probably think there’s a three year age difference.

00:54:51:11 –> 00:54:51:18

00:54:51:26 –> 00:54:57:19
So do you. I get it all the time. People are like, and I’m not saying you’re looking young either, Carter, I’m saying I’m looking old.

00:54:58:06 –> 00:54:58:14

00:54:58:24 –> 00:55:00:12
Let’s get that out there too. So

00:55:00:12 –> 00:55:00:28
You drew

00:55:01:11 –> 00:55:04:00
An early rifle. What weapon did you draw back in high school?

00:55:04:23 –> 00:55:20:17
It was actually a late rifle. It was the first year they did the late rifle and Wow. So the, the, my number one choice that I, I put a lot of time in and all the above, but the number one choice was end ended up being harvested and it went four 18. So

00:55:20:20 –> 00:55:21:12
Net or gross

00:55:21:19 –> 00:55:21:25

00:55:22:05 –> 00:55:24:01
Or non-typical. Typical, what is it?

00:55:24:11 –> 00:55:34:05
It was non-typical. That would’ve been gross. But anyways, and then I ended up killing mine and it was, it was, it’s pretty sad when a backup bull’s fricking 4 0 2, you know? Wow.

00:55:34:08 –> 00:55:38:14
But, well that just goes to show you, back in the day when we had those kind of bulls, we had, what

00:55:38:14 –> 00:55:39:19
Year was that? Do you remember?

00:55:41:10 –> 00:55:44:14
It would’ve been 2000, early 2004, 2005.

00:55:45:03 –> 00:55:45:12

00:55:45:12 –> 00:55:45:28
In area.

00:55:45:28 –> 00:55:51:29
That spot. Adam and I were talking about those days with a Utah biologist here in the office, you know, about an hour ago. And 2000

00:55:52:06 –> 00:55:56:01
Days, 2000 to 2008 was, yeah. Has never been better.

00:55:56:11 –> 00:55:58:01
No, it’s very true. You know,

00:55:58:05 –> 00:55:59:10
And never will be the same. Was awesome.

00:55:59:13 –> 00:56:01:02
Yeah. Nope. Never will be.

00:56:01:11 –> 00:56:03:17
Was he a straight, what was he straight six?

00:56:03:23 –> 00:56:10:10
He was a seven by eight. Oh, double sword. And just mass like you’ve never seen. Just sweet bull. Wow. Just an awesome bull.

00:56:10:29 –> 00:56:15:23
Well I got a new goal then. I gotta, we gotta beat Chaston. There we go. Yeah, we’ve gotta beat the

00:56:15:23 –> 00:56:17:13
Youngster. We gotta take time to hunt out sometimes.

00:56:18:23 –> 00:56:21:14
Well Adam and I hunt out, but not like need

00:56:21:14 –> 00:56:21:18
To do

00:56:21:21 –> 00:56:24:28
Once a year. Maybe need to ever kill one of that magnitude. So

00:56:25:07 –> 00:56:29:20
Yeah, I don’t know about that. Now I’m sure you’ve got one or two hidden in the trunk somewhere.

00:56:30:13 –> 00:56:50:23
I’ve killed a couple of good ones. Adam and I both killed bulls over three 80. But just, you know, it to, to to, to take on that 400 inch type, you know, goal, you pretty much gotta live for it for 10 solid years and make that, you know, the primary, I mean, you gotta be hunting elk in September, October, November. I mean, you gotta hunt some elk, you know, and not hunt

00:56:50:23 –> 00:57:03:23
Some deer and sheep or whatever else as much. You gotta, yeah. Or get lucky or draw an incredible tag that you had no business to draw on. And the right moisture year, auburn all lines up and that’s kind of how we’ve been. But

00:57:03:23 –> 00:57:06:14
You could do that up there in Wyoming. It’s really good right

00:57:06:14 –> 00:57:17:22
Now. Yeah, no, so that’s kinda what I’m, that’s what I’m hoping for. I’m really excited to see how it all looks and shakes out. So some of those should be a fun year. I just gotta try to find some time now to take it outta the office. Well

00:57:17:22 –> 00:57:34:05
Some of those late hunts have been produced and you’re probably, I’m, I’m not telling you anything. I’m sure you’ve done your research, but they’re, and you probably already have a plan, but you’re being cautious. But I would say that’s, I would say November, those late hunts, Adam and I, you know, the people we’ve talked to and of course Adam did a lot of research earlier this year. It’s pretty amazing.

00:57:35:12 –> 00:57:38:25
Yeah. The late hunts looking, looking pretty promising. Good.

00:57:38:29 –> 00:57:46:13
Just for spacing stuff out too. Exactly. September, early October, everything’s going and yeah, mid to late November. Not much. No

00:57:46:13 –> 00:57:50:13
Thanksgiving and family time. I guess dive in the middle of that, so.

00:57:50:27 –> 00:57:52:01
Oh yeah. So

00:57:52:10 –> 00:57:56:08
All well Justin, anything else you wanna leave us with as we wrap this thing up?

00:57:56:29 –> 00:58:08:05
Hey, no, it’s been fun guys. Really, it’s, I enjoy it. Enjoy the podcast, enjoy that you guys have, have done and are continuing to do for the industry and cool and glad to be a part of everything. Cool.

00:58:08:05 –> 00:58:27:29
Well we appreciate it. Want to tell you how much we appreciate you spending some time with us as well as congratulate y’all on all the success you’ve had and just, it’s awesome to see some success and our hunting industries, you know, it’s not like a lot of professional sports. There’s money in some professional sports and this is probably, you know, one of those industries. There’s not a lot of money in

00:58:29:05 –> 00:59:18:27
No, but you know, there’s a lot of pride and people, people take it serious and that’s one thing that I like. And you know, that’s one thing we told ourselves too, and since we’ve kind of figured out and got to where we’re at, our goal is, is we’ve, we’ve kinda stepped in and helped out. We’re starting to help out a few people. It’s got some great ideas. So, I mean, I guess I’ll throw this out there if some of your guys’ listeners have some great ideas, but not really sure where to go, where to take it to the next step and need some advice, gimme a call. I mean, I’d love to help anybody out. I love seeing, love to see people succeed. Yeah. So that’s kind of one thing I told myself I wanted to do is just really try to give back the best that I can and without giving back by giving to Mul Deer Foundation, SS F W R M E F, stuff like that. I wanna give back to the actual people that can make a big difference. And that’s, that’s all, that’s all of us, you know? Yeah. We all, we all make a big difference.

00:59:18:29 –> 00:59:24:05
Yeah. Maybe even be a silent partner or something, something and come up with some new wazoo products, you know, with, well

00:59:24:05 –> 00:59:39:26
That’s kinda where the cooler tray came from. You know, that kid came to us and had an idea that we all should have had years ago. Yeah. We’ve all had problems with stuff floating in coolers and taking on water, mushy cheese and yeah. He just had no idea where to go and where to start. And

00:59:40:25 –> 00:59:43:24
So are you, are you cranking on that one yet or is it coming?

00:59:44:06 –> 00:59:49:26
Yeah, it’s, it’s cranking. I need to get some product over in your hands. We, it’s selling pretty, pretty good, pretty quick.

00:59:50:14 –> 00:59:52:05
I had some watered down bread yesterday,

00:59:52:27 –> 00:59:57:18
So, well, it, it all, it gets wet eventually in your gut, so just choke it down, Carter.

00:59:58:15 –> 01:00:16:07
Oh, that’s true. But you know where I learned it when I was on the Gila and we was so far away from a grocery store about two hours, right? Yeah. And by day 10 we had water getting into our ground beef and it spoiled it, but we had no idea until we went to use it. That was a, it was a terrible day. ’cause we was there for 14 days and

01:00:16:25 –> 01:00:21:23
Now you’re back to eating something without meat. It Exactly. You’re starving to death ’cause you’re grabbing around,

01:00:21:25 –> 01:00:23:00
Choked it down and, well,

01:00:23:00 –> 01:00:26:06
Don’t worry, I don’t, I don’t ever starve to death. I take plenty of food. We don’t

01:00:26:06 –> 01:00:26:14

01:00:26:14 –> 01:00:30:16
About that. So. Right. But it might not have been, you know, gourmet five

01:00:30:16 –> 01:00:31:23
Stars. No, that’s good. That’s right.

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Well, cool man. Thanks a lot.

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Awesome. It’s been great. And congratulations on your success. It’s a product we, we all use and need and, and the timing and everything aligned perfectly. You were just the bright one to, to put it together and so a lot to be committed for that. So.

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Well, I appreciate it guys. It means a lot coming from you guys.

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All right, sounds good. Chest and looking forward to working with you, continuing to work with you here at Epic Outdoors and promoting each other and just being good partners. So anyway, thanks for everything and good luck this year.

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Okay, take care guys. Thanks. Take care.

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Here at Epic Outdoors, we produce a hunting magazine, nine issues a year. The first six issues are state by state research driven issues, breaking down the states, the drawing odds, kill percentages, best places to go, whatever your goals are for that state, whether you should even apply for that state or not. Coming from January through June, we break those down the rest of the year. We go every other month. Very informative magazine, a hundred dollars a year. Get you that magazine as well as the ability to call and consult with us consultants, develop a strategy, bounce ideas off us, things like that.

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Yeah, so, so with this magazine, you know, it just is covers Western big game hunting. That’s what we specialize in. That’s what we stick to. So that Western states, Canada, Alaska, Mexico, from a big game hunting perspective. So a hundred bucks a year and, and it should be everything to do with Western big game hunting.

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We also offer a full service license application service. If you’re too busy, you find yourself missing deadlines or you travel a lot with your work, missing deadlines. In some cases we’ll put you years behind drawing a certain tag that you’re after. We offer for a maximum of $500. We’ll handle all of your Western State applications. We’ll incorporate the information you give us. You can be as interactive with us and picking your units as you want, or you give us a criteria. We can pick your units, match the weapon type species, states, all those types of things that you’re looking for. We do that for a lot of guys. We help them draw a lot of tags. If you find yourself, like I said, too much going on in your life, whether it be business or travel or whatever, you miss deadlines. Consider calling us for your license, application, service needs and be glad to help you out

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With our license application service. Of course, one of the big things besides just applying and and submitting your, your license applications is the people doing it. So Adam and I, we touch all the applications and we actually choose the units for you depending on what you’re looking for. And that’s a big deal. We’ve done this for many, many years as well as for ourselves. And we’ve hunted all the western states. We have quite a bit of experience is with everybody here in the office. And this is what we’ve done for a living for a lot of years. And so anyway, we feel like we offer some of the most knowledgeable consultants and, and the ability to really choose accurately what you’re looking for so you don’t, you know, waste your points or waste your money and especially waste your time in places that don’t really suit you. And so anyway, for, like Adam said, for maximum 500, we, we can do anything and everything that pertains to applying for Western big game.