In this episode of The Epic Outdoors Podcast the Epic Outdoors crew talks about our schedules and the current hunting season. Adam is in Arizona on the phone while he scouts elk. We also talk about Adams archery deer hunt in Utah where he harvested a 220 inch giant with his bow. This is a busy time of year for us and were looking forward to sharing our successes and failures with you all. thanks for listening.

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So, I mean, that’s the one thing about deer. I mean, you can predict little things, but a lot of times they surprise you. No question.

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The wide range of where Mule deer live. There’s so many differences throughout. Anything

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To do with Western Big Games.

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter here, along with the Epic Crew, the entire crew, Chris Peterson, Jeff John, John Peterson, as well as Adam Bronson’s on the line with us. We’re just gonna give everybody a little update. Of course, update each other. It’s been a while since we’ve seen each other. We’ve been out in the hills quite a bit. Before we get started, we want to thank Under Armour for sponsoring all of the Epic Outdoors Podcasts, as well as some other projects that are coming out. Pretty fun to think about and, and work on. So anyway, appreciate Under Armour. There’s support of Epic Outdoors and us and all that we got going. And just wanted let you know of a cool thing that we’re doing. We’ve teamed up with Red Rock Precision. They make some long range hunting rifles, but they’re precision custom rifles. They do a fantastic job.

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We’ve went up shot guns out to a thousand yards with them. Of course we could’ve shot further if we wanted to. But anyway, it’s been pretty awesome. They’re, they’re amazing rifles. We did team up with them. We’ve got the epic edition of the Red Rock coming out. It is dipped in Ridge Reaper. Camo looks fantastic. There’s several different versions that you can choose from. My particular gun that I had built comes in at like just over seven and a half pounds with the scope. It’s pretty amazing and shoots a thousand yards. And so anyway, it comes with custom serial number, I think mine’s epic dash 0 0 0 1. We’re doing a limited edition of 50. There’s been quite a few rifles already ordered. We haven’t actually advertised these rifles in the magazine yet. We’re gonna start doing that in January. But they will accept your order right now if you’d like.

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So anyway, don’t hesitate to call Red Rock Precision. They do a fantastic job and you can go to Red Rock to get their contact info. Give ’em a holler. But we’ve been starting to do these giveaways here during this podcast. So during the podcast you can, you know, there’ll be a little code, you can go on our website and enter the code, a couple little things, your email address and whatnot. And you’re entered to win. So there’s no charge to win. But anyway, we did give a membership in one of the podcasts and that went to Ty Butters, B U T T A R S, here in Utah. Congrats, Ty. We really appreciate you listening to the podcast, supporting Epic Outdoors. And for doing so, you’re gonna get a full year’s free membership subscription to our magazine and and service. And so anyway, appreciate that.

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We also had another winner where we gave away a phone scope, a fully phone scope unit, good for any cell phone that you got, as well as the adapter for the spotting scope you use. And so anyway, just want to thank Jason Arthur, he won that. Thanks for listening to the podcast. You did win the phone scope and we’ll be getting with you on that and getting you in touch with Chest Davis there at phone scope and get y’all set up. Depending on the podcast, we give away epic swag, memberships, phone scopes, under Armour boots. We’ve, we’re gonna do all kinds of things. We may even at some point, you know, where you can enter, enter to win. Just give you another name in the hat for something awesome in one of our giveaways down the road. And so we’ve got some neat things that we’re thinking about.

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So anyway, feel free, as you know, if you’re listening to the podcast anyway, make sure you listen for that code. Go to epic, enter it, follow a few instructions and you’re good to go. On this particular episode giveaway, we’re gonna give away a pair of UA info ops, gore-Tex hunting boots. So anyway, under Armour be sponsoring this giveaway. They want to give away a pair of info ops model. They’re Gore-Tex hunting boot. They’re awesome. They’re super lightweight, very comfortable, A little higher. They come up a little higher. They’re not a short boot, but they’re awesome. They’re an early season boot. Worn ’em quite a bit, really like ’em. So anyway, we’re excited to do that. To enter, to win, obviously you’d go to epic On the right hand side is the podcast giveaway entry form enter podcast code, which will be in Info ops, I N F I L O P Ss ops. And your name, your email, your phone number. Hit submit one entry per guy or gal. And we’re gonna give ’em away here in a week. So anyway, we’re excited to do it Again, we appreciate Under Armour for sponsoring this and it’s pretty exciting. Great pair of boots, $249.99 value. So anyway, somebody’s gonna get a free pair of boots this week. Anyway, office has been a little slow, guys, of course it may not have been in that slow, I just don’t know.

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We best weren’t here to answer the call. Hopefully

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You’ve been answering the phone calls. How’s business anyway?

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Well, I haven’t been here enough either, honestly. I mean in and out. But John, that’s probably

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Your, yeah, we’ve been answering calls and helping people out when

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Good, good, good. Giving ’em hardcore hunting advice. Yes, we have. How about you, Chris? How you been? It’s been good.

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I have people asking me questions that you should be answering you that I, I’ve been to, but you know, well, you know, you’re, let’s have an example. Hardcore. You’re hardcore. Chris,

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What’s an example of one of those

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Questions? Well, certain unit I won’t say where I’m not entitled to divulge any of Jason’s secrets, so I can’t share anything.

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Chris, you’re under a non-disclosure.

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Exactly, exactly. Of course. We all know what that means.

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Alright guys, well let’s

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How you doing out there, Bronson?

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I’m doing good. I’m sitting out here in the middle of the biggest pine jungle I’ve probably ever seen in my life in unit 27 in Arizona. It’s beautiful. It’s incredibly green now. It’s unbelievable how much understory and grass and it’s, you can tell that’s rained all summer long. But anyway,

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How awesome is that? Yeah, you, it feels like you and I, we venture outside, you know, our core areas and we’re just shocked at the game and how pretty it is. And it’s, oh, it makes,

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It’s, it looks good down here. And you know, I’ve only been here a day, but I’ve seen big COOs deer today. The first thing I saw, I kind of got me sidetracked for a bit. I was trying to video with that thing. My bulls are bugling and I’ve got an elk tag, so go figure.

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Yeah, yeah. So what else? You seeing some mulder down there?

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Yeah, nothing too exciting. Not like Henry Mountains bucks or anything. Oh. But yeah,

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He went there. He went there. Well let’s just talk about the Henry since we,

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Well, I guess since the last time we had this little five member powwow about what we were gonna be doing this year, some plans changed. I got a call, oh, I guess it was, oh, less than two weeks, 12, 14 days, something like that before the Henry’s archery hunt started that I was offered a tag. And of course I took it. And fortunately I’d been scouting several trips, four or five at the time. ’cause I have some clients later on in the rifle hunt. And also, fortunately I do have this Arizona archery elk tag. So I’d been shooting my bow all summer. That’s not something, I don’t have a great archery tag every year, but I do this year. So I’d been shooting that. So anyway, things just more or less changed. I took off straight to the mountain and, and basically ratcheted up to scouting was on that trip that I found the buck that I ended up hunting.

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Came home for about 36 hours, did some laundry, got my tag when it came in the mill, got some groceries and headed back out. And then you guys all joined me, I guess it was a day or two before the hunt. And anyway, we, we had a great time on the second evening opening day. We saw the deer just didn’t quite, you know, he didn’t go the right direction when, where we were the wind was or whatnot. But the second night it all came together and got an arrow in him with you guys all watching and, and it was an awesome hunt. 221 inch, buck 35 big frame and had, has the look that I want. And I couldn’t be happier. It was awesome to have you guys down there. And of course Wayne Brown was down there with us and had a, had an awesome trip. It was, it was awesome.

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Yeah, it sure was. It was such a stud. Deer at a big old frame thing, just, you know, of course, you know, you always seem to take a one or two clients down there and you’ve known the mountain forever and you’ve killed, you know, some of the biggest deer on the mountain. And so there was no question in my mind it, you know, you’re gonna find some more big deer this year. And then when you ended up getting a tag, it was just kinda like game on, you know, we had to show up and at least watch.

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Yeah. Well, Jason, I know you were hunting hard in Nevada and, and Jeff too. You guys both had archery deer tags over there, so you took a, fortunately it was a brief, I don’t know, maybe three day time out, but I appreciated the help and it just, it was awesome. Got a lot of video, everybody was involved and more or less babysat the deer for those two, three days. You know, when you guys all got there, I’d kind of keeping tabs on some other bucks too. But basically we were all in on him and it was him, him or nothing type thing. And it worked out so great.

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Yeah, it was, it was awesome. So anyway, congrats on that. So now, I guess,

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Well I think worth mentioning, one of the fun things was right during that hunt Under Armour called and asked you to take over their Instagram. Yeah. And so we were able to do a play by play on their Instagram. And we’ve since loaded those clips to our Instagram epic underscore hunts. And so you can go through and watch the whole thing pretty much, you know, play by play. It was pretty

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Cool. Yeah. Yep, you can, so it’s all, where is it all on Facebook? Instagram.

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Instagram. It’s on our Facebook as well. Yeah. The, the whole thing is on our Facebook, it’s nine minutes and YouTube. So find us anywhere basically you can find that

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Kill scene was a little bit tough to get. He, when we were videoing him, he actually went, you know, he w well,

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It kind of happened quick, like it, it wasn’t like it was, you know, letting Adam creep down in like Adam was just, all of a sudden they were right there like staring at each other. Yeah. 18 yards or 19 yards or whatever it was. It was kind of a, I

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Don’t know, I didn’t even range it, it was just jamming me too close. And it turned out it was in behind the deer was behind some tall oak for you guys. But

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Yeah, I can see behind he sure as

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Hell, he sure as heck ran outta that tall oak really, really fast after I shot him.

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Yeah. He took off like

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Lighting took off hard. Well that’s all on video.

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And then we yeah. Went around and ended up getting, you know, I ended up seeing him there. Oh, what did he go, what do you think? Bronson? A half mile or three quarters of a mile.

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Yeah, maybe a half mile half. He’s bleeding like crazy and, but

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Rugged country. Yeah.

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Rugged stuff. And Jason glassed him up and he wasn’t,

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Had to go around him. Yeah, I had to go around him and on the ranger, basically just glass him up with the fifteens

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To get a different angle and yeah, there he was. And, and anyway, I was following the blood trail and when I caught up to him, he, he could barely, he could barely go, frankly. And Oh, shaking

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Yeah. And anyway, drilled him again and that was it. And that was history. Yeah.

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So, yeah. Yeah, it was an amazing hunt. Your best year, I guess.

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Yeah, it is. And let alone with a bow, and like I said, just a, I don’t know, I, I’ve always, I, I mean he is wide, but he is wide because of the cheaters. But I, I, I love the big boxy frame. I like big frames on deer. That’s what I like the most. And he is got enough trash to making him, you know, a little bit, little bit neat, you know, fork cheater going out one side that’s about a six inch fort cheater. And anyway, the picture’s all on our Instagram and we’ll, we’ll also, as, as the guys get some more time, put all the footage and what on our, our YouTube sometime probably this winter when, when the Hunt’s died down, and we can really dig into that. But you can get a, you can get a taste of it on her Facebook and Instagram right now.

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Was it a tough decision picking that deer? How’d you go through that process? No,

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Because you had some giants, you had some big deer that you were

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Looking at. Well, there was another deer that he was like a nine by eight, not counting I guards and more of a compact frame. He had more trash, but I, he is right out in front of the whole world. I knew there’d probably other people all over him, and there was another hunter ended up shooting him. So we made the right decision. It was the only hunter on this deer. And you, you can’t ask for more than that. No.

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Hunt a big deer and just you and the deer because having nose of the bow, it just doesn’t happen, you know, in the first try. And, and so the more chances it’s just you and the deer, the sooner or later it’s gonna all come together. And when you have to add other hunters or different things into the mix, it’s just prolonging that and sooner or later that deer might wisen up and, you know, go underground, so to speak. So it was just fortunate we had just us and him to contend with. Yeah.

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So there was a few people, I know we had a few people come by and of course I think some other people had seen him. And then of course you got rifle hunters that are scouting and muzzle hunters that are there. Got a lot scouting US scout people that are like, oh, that shoulda had a bro, they as well that giant right here. So anyway, we ended

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Up just fortunate there wasn’t a bull on on the ground, but there were people around that’s,

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That’s, yeah,

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That’s gonna happen on the, Henrys

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Had a, there’s

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A lot of people down there,

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Remember the guys that were running a little bait station we had and stopped and visit with them. And here in Utah you can bait, you know, so they, they’re, I don’t know exactly what they were putting out. Who knows? Might have been applesauce, I don’t know. Anyway, but that’s not necessarily, that

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Necessarily, that’s a topic of another podcast. Yeah.

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We’ll have to dive into that deeper at some point maybe.

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But spot in stock, you were in, you were in his bedroom for, I mean yeah,

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You were next, next to him. Yeah, pretty much all day. I,

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Eight hours,

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I don’t know, nine or nine 30 till 7, 7 30 that night. It

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Oh no. Was 10 hours

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And it rain, rained,

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Rained and everything.

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Lost him for several hours

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Right in the middle of the day. Yeah, yeah,

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Yeah. When that shower came up, he fed to the bottom down into a thick, thick draw and nobody could see him. And, and that shower, the wind switch started blowing down, down the draw. So I backed out and moved down the ridge about a hundred, 150 yards, just hoping my, you know, scent would be east of them and and below him and not knowing really where he was gonna be. Well, just total, total random luck that, that the tree that I picked to be under that whatever, that last what, maybe four hours? Yeah. I’m just totally guessing. Yeah. That he fed up out of the bottom more or less right. To it. And I had to step out five yards to the one side to get an opening. And that was, that’s what you need to have go. Right. You know, like I said, the opening day we had, you know, and even even that, that morning, he, we guessed what he was gonna do and he didn’t do it. And, and you know, finally it, finally it worked out and the wind held and yeah, he came into the loo and that’s all she wrote.

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Yeah. That’s awesome. Well, good. Well, let’s see. Jeff, last time we talked you were headed to Nevada. Wait

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A minute, wait a minute. We can’t, we can’t leave that because I’ve got

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Step, step. So start

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Talking buddy. Start talking. So being next to Jason, Jeff and I talked about this afterwards, and Jason’s gonna deny it, but it was uncanny. We were watching the buck. Jason had go, you know, he’s gonna get up in about five minutes, you know, his, his hind quarters itch and he’s gonna scratch his, his with his dine. So five minutes later, the deer gets up, scratches his hind quarter turns around, Jason’s like, yeah, he’s probably gonna bet about 10 feet to the right. Isn’t

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Said the

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Deer go. It was, it was, and it was three days straight, Jeff. I, I was on the other ridge. I didn’t hear all that snap all bit. I didn’t hear all that. It was like,

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When you’re sitting there staring at the deer, there’s nothing, Hey, there’s no cell service. We’re sitting there staring at the deer. I’m watching Adam, I’m watching Adam bed. Adam’s up and down, up and down. We’re all ready to kill this deer. I’m watching the deer. So you end up watching every movement of the deer, and you have nothing to say to each other. You know, what are we gonna, we’ve already talked about everything. And so, you know, but Jason

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Accurately predicts every move the deer makes no where he is gonna go, where he is gonna go up the hill. Not

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Really. I, I did not predict it is true. We, we for the evening. When, when, when Wayne spotted him, right? When Adam made, basically the last time the deer got up and started feeding I, Adam, I nor Wayne or you guys, nobody guessed he would be where he was at. That’s the one thing about deer. No,

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Not where he was at. He ended up lower,

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He ended up lower and up down the ridge a little bit. And we thought he would come up and kind of go where we’ve always seen him, or at least Adam’s always seen him. So, I mean, that’s the one thing about deer. I mean, you can predict little things, but a lot of times they surprise you, no question on what they’re gonna do.

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So Jason could predict when they’re gonna scratch themselves and which direction they’re gonna sit and where they’re gonna feed and when they’re gonna get up. But it was uncanny.

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I knew, I predicted Adam was gonna kill him too. I tell

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You that. Yes, you did. And where

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I knew Adam was gonna kill him that night, he was, he was just in the right spot and we were all ready and Adam was ready and, and anyway, it was, and then

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After he hit him, you even predicted where he was gonna go, that he was gonna Jay hook up around us and we missed it. We were watching for that, you know, him to go through that spot. Well,

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The thing is there was ended up,

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He went, did exactly what you thought he would. Well,

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There was a ridge, you know, he, Adam was on a ridge. The deer goes down and it’s natural for they don’t just go straight away for four miles. They, they always hook. Well, there was a natural hook that goes up over the saddle, you know what I mean? But it was thick trees and tough and luckily, thankfully ’cause and it had been raining and Adam made a great shot. The first shot was a great shot. It didn’t look like a great shot at first, but he was running so hard, we couldn’t tell and just bled like crazy. And Adam could stay on his blood trail, helped a lot. Blood trails are nice. And then not to have it rain and wash out the blood. That was nice, you know, that it held off for a minute.

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So Jason’s a little bit modest, but you ever have a chance to hunt next to him and you get blown away, just saying

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Anyway. And a anything else you wanna add on your hunt, Adam, about that or? No, I mean, obviously this is a hunt of a lifetime. Tons of pressure. You know, it’s one, and you made a couple of comments to me too a couple of times is, you know, you don’t want to let the pressure of some of these tags get to you and actually ruin the hunt for you or, or, you know, and it’s funny in this social world that everybody knows everything that you’re doing. And so that adds that, what did you kill? And if you, and if you fail, you wanna fail in peace. And of course you can’t fail in peace in this world anymore anyway. And so, you know, there is some of

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That, the unique thing about this unique thing about this experience is, like I said, once I, you know, once I confirmed I had a tag, I, I went straight to the Henry’s and didn’t come. I came back for literally 36 hours, did some laundry, got my tag that had come in the mail and Yeah. And groceries and went back. So and

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So nobody really knew you

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Had to go. It was kind of a, it was kind of a secret. And I just decided, you know, no reason to get on, you know, social media and tell the whole world. It was just like, Hey, when a deer dies, they’ll find out. And that’s the way I kept it. And I even know there’s a lot of close friends that were like, I didn’t know he had a attack. And I’m like, well, you didn’t have time to text you, really. There was no way. No way. And you know, the last thing I’ll say is just you never forget, you know, I’ve hunted that mountain for over 10 years now and killed some, some giant deer. Predominantly the majority of them with muzzle loaders are rifles. Yeah. I’ve taken some great archery bucks down there, but the anxiety of killing a giant deer with a bow is off the charts yourself. There’s nothing for me. Yeah. For myself, there’s nothing that, that makes my anxiety higher of everything needing to go right. And not always going right. And, you know, yes. I was frazzled at the end of that 10 hours. I was, I hadn’t drank all day long because Well, you, I knew I was gonna be getting, I knew I,

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You walked up to me and you’re like, you can have this archery deer hunt. I’m done. And then like, and this is after the deer’s dead. Yeah. Like he, all the deer’s day, he’s like, I’m done in two days. I can’t handle it. I don’t like it. And I’m like, Adam. And then, then about three hours later, he is like, forget what I said, I I love our mule.

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I hadn’t had a drink all day long. I, I took to a Gatorade before I started the stop. I know. That was the only thing that I drank in 10 hours because you get that close to deer, you can’t, you move, you can’t use the bathroom, you 50 yards from a deer because that’s not good, you know? Yeah. And you were

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You know, so you can smell it

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Within 50 yards of the deer for what? Yeah. You were 16, 9, 10 hours, 50

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Or 60 yards for lots and lots of times. Yes.

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Yeah. So what

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Time was it that you shot it?

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Oh, it was,

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It was 7, 7 30, something like that. I get. Exactly. And,

00:22:17:06 –> 00:22:22:21
And we found the deer at daybreak. We watched that deer all day long. He was within 50 yards for 10 hours

00:22:23:21 –> 00:22:37:15
Straight. Yeah. Oh, there’s no question. I know. And then that’s what, and that’s what Adam’s saying is, you know, you roll a rock, you snap a branch, whatever, opening your pack, you unzip ’em, packs aren’t quiet pretty soon you just limit what you’re drinking. It’s cool. It’s semi cool in the shade. Yeah.

00:22:37:24 –> 00:22:38:22
It rained on. It wasn’t too bad. It rain,

00:22:38:22 –> 00:22:41:08
It was over there with a beanie shaking. I could see it, you know?

00:22:42:19 –> 00:23:20:08
Yeah. You know, you don’t have all your clothes. Yes. You know, and all that. But it’s just, you’re reminded about how many things have to go right when you’re spot in stock and mule deer hunting for it all to happen. And, you know, especially on a deer of that caliber, not Yes. You know, you’re hunting one deer. We’re not, we weren’t deer hunting. We were hunting one deer. And that’s typical when you got a special tag like that, that, and you’re just, you get a lot of, a lot of anxiety all pinned up. And part of it’s, you know, self-imposed, you know, it’s a unit. Like I said, I’ve been on there 10 years, killed a lot of great bucks for, for clients and help them do that. But when you’re the hundred,

00:23:21:05 –> 00:23:21:28
Right? Yeah.

00:23:21:28 –> 00:23:36:17
Right. My turn and I didn’t have, I didn’t have the buildup for May to, you know, see it coming. Maybe that was do it. Maybe that was better. I don’t know. But it worked out. I’m, I’m very humbled about it all and thanks for you guys’ help. Yeah.

00:23:36:17 –> 00:23:36:26
It was

00:23:36:26 –> 00:23:56:12
Awesome. Yeah. I think more than anything, the patience was just awesome because it’s so easy to get in a hurry and Oh yeah. The day before, you know, we talked about, about sitting on the deer for 10 hours the day you killed it. But the day before, I, I’m sitting there watching through the scope, I have got phone scope footage. You can see Adam in the screen and the deer in the screen. 40

00:23:56:12 –> 00:23:57:08
50 yards. 40

00:23:57:08 –> 00:24:07:11
50 yards. And Adam’s got the patience, the wind, you know, turns and goes bad. Adam’s got the patience to back out and not go after the deer and, and just let him go and

00:24:07:17 –> 00:24:17:17
Yeah, no, no sense kicking him into the next county, you know? Yeah. If he winded you hit 50 yards, you may not see him for a day or two, you know. Right. That’s,

00:24:17:24 –> 00:24:30:23
You know. Right. But anyway, yeah, that’s pretty awesome. And then walking up on the deer course, there’s nothing like that. That’s what we all, nothing like that kind of live for. And and he was exactly, I mean, we had him, Adam, I know you and I discussed, you know, nailed

00:24:30:23 –> 00:24:31:14
Down. Exactly.

00:24:31:14 –> 00:24:35:26
Yeah. Like I was, I said two 19 to 2 23 and I don’t know what you said

00:24:35:26 –> 00:24:37:03
Exactly where he was. Yeah.

00:24:37:03 –> 00:24:40:13
He was two 20 and change. 2 21 basically,

00:24:41:04 –> 00:24:42:03
And 35 wide,

00:24:42:28 –> 00:24:50:29
Just a stud. One of those, you know, just phenomenal deer. One of the top on the mountain. So that’s all you can ask for. But

00:24:51:04 –> 00:25:04:15
That went well. So that was, that was something new that we didn’t talk about a month ago whenever you other podcast. But as for the rest of stuff, we’re pretty much kicking off, I guess. You and you and Jeff have been after it, huh?

00:25:04:25 –> 00:25:06:23
Yeah. Yeah. Jeff. Jeff

00:25:07:17 –> 00:25:07:19

00:25:07:22 –> 00:25:08:17
Let’s talk about Jeff.

00:25:09:01 –> 00:25:09:27
Don’t talk about me.

00:25:10:03 –> 00:25:12:29
Jeff. We’re praying that he makes it back alive every time. Yeah.

00:25:13:09 –> 00:25:16:14
Jeff, Jeff’s gone through, how many tires have you gone through? Two, I’ve

00:25:16:18 –> 00:25:17:01
How many tires

00:25:17:02 –> 00:25:17:25
Your brother go through?

00:25:18:03 –> 00:25:22:20
He went through two in one trip, one weekend. I’ve been through two through the season. But I, you know, somehow

00:25:22:24 –> 00:25:25:14
My brand, my, he went through five of ’em.

00:25:25:27 –> 00:25:33:29
Oh no, I haven’t been through five now. That’s not, that’s two new tires. So I had new ones on. I’ve been through two new ones since then. Both to

00:25:34:10 –> 00:25:35:29
Ats to ats. That’s

00:25:35:29 –> 00:25:37:29
Not we, I’m not gonna get in a bash tire dash.

00:25:38:00 –> 00:25:39:05
I I told you to get different tires.

00:25:39:11 –> 00:25:41:13
I know, I know. But I did have to put

00:25:41:13 –> 00:25:42:18
The mom was minivan tires three

00:25:43:06 –> 00:25:43:13

00:25:44:11 –> 00:25:46:27
You gonna take minivan tires on my hunt down there in

00:25:46:27 –> 00:25:57:00
27? We’re gonna get some hate mail. I’m not gonna, I mean, I did. I’m I’m telling you, I went through, I did have to put two brand new tires on the truck. I went through a few tire plugs as well.

00:25:57:12 –> 00:25:59:26
Are they under warranty or did you have to pay for ’em? Well,

00:25:59:26 –> 00:26:05:00
They’re under warranty at the store that I bought ’em at, which is a lot. Which had cost me more to get ’em back to.

00:26:05:03 –> 00:26:07:11
And they’re only prorated and pretty soon you

00:26:07:11 –> 00:26:17:26
Just like, yeah. And dude, the tires are thrash. They’re just, you know, toilets are just soft rubber and those, that hard rock down there. Yeah. Oh, it’s brutal on tires. Yeah. But no, it’s been, it’s been a struggle. But

00:26:17:26 –> 00:26:18:26
You got on some good bucks.

00:26:19:08 –> 00:26:31:23
Well, eventually, yeah. Like, I, like I put plenty of time and money into it hunting a particular, you know, one side of the unit. Yeah. And I just, you know, we had that like 32 33 inch bucks. Just that,

00:26:31:28 –> 00:26:33:00
That, yeah. It’s a great deer. Great

00:26:33:00 –> 00:26:36:09
Deer. Just a wide four point. Really crabby on the front. He wasn’t a great bear crab

00:26:36:09 –> 00:26:37:26
Fence, but no, he was a pretty big

00:26:37:26 –> 00:26:40:25
Deer. He’s, but he’s big and he’s got biggest, he’s got the biggest track.

00:26:41:02 –> 00:26:43:24
Mean you got out of an eye. He’s looking our chops, Jeffrey.

00:26:44:16 –> 00:26:45:16
But, but you know,

00:26:46:25 –> 00:26:50:25
Yeah. 30 days ago we were giving you crap. And now

00:26:51:20 –> 00:27:00:08
Adam and I are like, now the first choice gonna be archery, muzzle, rifle, first choice second and third Jeffrey Hal, three seasons.

00:27:00:11 –> 00:27:10:20
And you know, the problem is, and Jason, you know this, the problem is these desert deer are not, they’re very unpredictable. Yeah. They’re very hard to glass. It’s not like, it just doesn’t

00:27:11:01 –> 00:27:11:25
Yeah. Doesn’t

00:27:11:25 –> 00:27:18:25
Feel like places up north, like in, in more open sagebrush country. Yeah. Or even high alpine. It’s a different type of hunting.

00:27:19:01 –> 00:27:20:22
It’s really terrain that shouldn’t be hunted.

00:27:21:08 –> 00:27:23:26
I mean, honestly it feels like a, and and in temperatures.

00:27:23:27 –> 00:27:24:08
I’m sick of

00:27:24:08 –> 00:27:27:25
It right now. And in temperatures that you shouldn’t be hunting in. Yeah. I mean it’s just flat. It

00:27:27:25 –> 00:27:31:23
Was 101 in my country yesterday. Down where you’re at is probably 110, 115.

00:27:31:23 –> 00:27:42:24
Yeah. It was the other day I hiked back into a, a water hole. It was 111. And it was like, I realized at that point that you are taking your life in your hands. Like whether you like it or not. Like

00:27:42:28 –> 00:27:49:28
Our brother-in-law said you didn’t take enough water and you kept wanting to go back to the truck. He’s like, he’s like, I look back, I’m telling, and Jeff’s like, you know, I know

00:27:49:28 –> 00:27:51:05
We’re not gonna find a

00:27:51:05 –> 00:27:52:06
Spring. I’m sitting, let me see,

00:27:52:16 –> 00:27:53:14
I’m sitting here, let’s go back

00:27:53:14 –> 00:27:56:11
To the truck. And he’s like, no, come on. Jeff’s, I heard you.

00:27:56:20 –> 00:28:34:07
I pull up it, it, like, I look at the map and I’m like, okay, know where the spring is and it’s 1.8 miles and we start hiking and it’s this soft sandy soil. Like, so you’re just like, every footstep takes a little bit extra. And I get back in and I just, I left my pack, I grab a cell camera, grabbed a bottle of water and I just took off. And I’ll just run up there, get that set up and get back. And we get back in here. I realize that there’s some forks in the canyon. And I’m like, okay, where is it? We’re at this point, and this is after I’ve been hunting hard for three or four days. Yeah. I’m a little spent, I’m a little ticked off at the world right now anyway. And I’m getting to this point and I’m like, I’m done. I’m getting outta here. ’cause I ain’t gonna freaking be dragging my butt off of this mountain.

00:28:34:13 –> 00:28:37:19
I’m gonna get in my minivan. Minivan, yeah. With my Toyota s with my,

00:28:37:25 –> 00:28:49:28
And drive home. I’m gonna drive home because, because at that point, dude, you’re, you’re, you are, you’re stressed. Yeah. Because, you know, you’ve been, I mean, three hours of sleep at night because you don’t get back till 11 o’clock at night. Well

00:28:49:28 –> 00:28:57:10
That’s what Adam up to three. That’s why Adam camp closer to his deer. Yeah. It, you know, those, those summer nights are short. Yeah. Days are long.

00:28:57:18 –> 00:29:06:00
It’s hard though when it’s 86 when when it cools off to 86 degrees, you’re like, well I gotta get somewhere where there’s ac so I can sleep. Yeah. So even if you’re just going back for three hours.

00:29:06:07 –> 00:29:07:02
Yeah. Even

00:29:07:02 –> 00:29:09:26
If it’s just for three hours, you go back. Yeah. Like you go to where you can get ac

00:29:10:17 –> 00:29:13:20
What, and so did you make the hike?

00:29:14:02 –> 00:29:40:18
Oh yeah, we found it. Set the truck. He said he encouraged you. Well it was Alan, you know Alan? He, he pushed me on ’cause I was like, dude, like, like this is, this is grind point. Like we, I’ve been grinding for a long time at this point and I’m like, you know, we need to go back. We need to get the G P s I need to know exactly where the spring is. Yeah. I need to know. I’m not willing to sacrifice both of our health, you know? Yeah. The health of both of us to be up here, just traipsing around for fun. Yeah. Like

00:29:40:22 –> 00:29:42:28
I need to, to, so you got it set now? You need to check it

00:29:43:01 –> 00:29:43:18
Now. I need to check

00:29:43:18 –> 00:29:45:08
It. The end of the season’s. Like two days the end of

00:29:45:08 –> 00:29:47:08
The season this weekend. Days. Yeah. It’s pretty much here.

00:29:47:12 –> 00:29:49:22
Kind of need to go check that camera when we get off this podcast.

00:29:50:05 –> 00:29:52:04
Yeah, yeah. I probably ought to.

00:29:53:06 –> 00:29:57:22
Yeah. Are you still hunting, Jeff? Are you, you got to what? The ninth got to the

00:29:57:22 –> 00:30:00:29
Ninth. The ninth. Yep. That, that’s, that’s the, that’s the end of it.

00:30:01:04 –> 00:30:05:02
That’s four days. There’s three or something, whatever around. Yep. I’ve lost track of days.

00:30:05:10 –> 00:30:06:04
I know, I

00:30:06:04 –> 00:30:22:14
Know this hunt, you know, if I go back, if I, if I decide that there’s a buck there worth hunting, it’s gonna be put the backpack on, take two gallons of water in the pack and go and stay in there for the last three days in the hunt. That’s the only way to do it. You can’t go back and forth on this one. Yeah. It’s just too

00:30:22:14 –> 00:30:30:11
Far. Yeah. Yeah. Well it’s a couple of nice bucks anyway. Oh yeah. It’s a good experience for you. I mean, didn’t have learned a lot, be as much for points. And

00:30:30:18 –> 00:30:42:04
Jason, what about you? I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna tear scab off or anything because I know it’s been much the same. But you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta give your report. Yeah. It’s, we

00:30:42:04 –> 00:31:33:17
North, it’s, well it’s, you know, it’s tough out there. And I got of course pe you know, people out there in Nevada pretty, they, they want to know where you’re at, you know what I mean? And which deer you’re got and how many other deer you got. And so I’m always a little bit careful there, but it’s, it’s good. It’s just kind of a tough year. Like I think the April and May and Adam, you and I have discussed this a lot. There was really dry April and May and you know, it was a good winter. It was a good fall, good winter, relatively good early spring moisture wise. And then it just turned off. And I’ve got a number of big deer that didn’t come back. And I’ve got a number of big deer that shrunk a lot from last year. And so, I mean we’ve got, you know, 2, 235 inch deer that are now, you know, maybe lucky to break 200.

00:31:33:21 –> 00:32:10:22
And so it’s really hard, you know? And so yeah, I’ve been out hitting it pretty hard and we’ve got a little hit list of deer. Like this morning we glassed up everything but the deer I want. And we’ve done that two days in a row now and, and actually glassed up a new buck that I don’t have on water. I have no idea where he is. Water. It might, maybe a hole in the rock or it’s got some rainwater from these monsoons or something. But wide deer with big four or five inch I guards and multiple I guards and heavy based and, but, but just, but not a, a real stud. And so anyway, when

00:32:10:22 –> 00:32:19:01
You’re seeing the shrinkage from year to year, we also, we always said that last year was a great moisture year. Is that age or is that definitely due to

00:32:19:12 –> 00:32:45:28
Moisture? No, it’s, this is, this one’s due to, due to the year, some deer obviously will shrink. I mean, you know, as they get old they’ll shrink a little or they have a little bit of a hiccup, maybe they get wounded or, or get injured in the hills or stuff happens. Yeah. And, and just like our health as humans. But you know, this one, this one is, is statewide. It’s, it’s, you’re notice across across the board. Yeah. It’s bucks

00:32:45:28 –> 00:32:47:05
That you knew from last year.

00:32:47:05 –> 00:32:48:04
Yeah, that’s right. And they’re

00:32:48:04 –> 00:32:48:20
Smaller this year.

00:32:48:29 –> 00:33:14:13
And then obviously there was a governor Buck killed that was two 60 and there’s a few deer that, you know, where for whatever reason, maybe they had a little more moisture in that particular five square miles. Maybe it’s just the feed that they’re on the spring that they’re on. However, you know, those plants are getting water. I mean there’s, there’s things, it, it’s not a hard fast rule, but generally speaking it seemed to be down. Didn’t you think Adam ’em, from everything you’ve heard too from other people?

00:33:15:17 –> 00:34:33:14
Yeah, it is. And I, and I would agree the last two years, it seems like our, our late April and May, which normally are pretty dry, have been incredibly wet except for this year wasn’t, and then going on into June it was baking hot. So I think, I think that was part of it. You know, they got a good start and just then they kind of had to just survive after that. And not that it was ter it’s terrible and other places like the Strip and things like that are, they’re awesome. Awesome. Gon I would still say the, he gon, but I would say the Henry’s spent a lot of days down there this year, obviously. And it’s an average to slightly below average year for the Henry’s by, by Henry’s standards. It’s not, it’s not stellar, you know. And so sometimes mountain range to mountain range, you know, we think we have, you know, uniform moisture throughout Utah or southern Utah even, you know, pongan versus Henry’s or Pongan Strip Henry’s or Nevada. And it, and it’s not, it’s timing. It’s obviously the mountain timing isn’t the same and you know, deer are more susceptible than, than elk and things like that. So, so you say timing is what it’s, you gotta make the best of it. Which

00:34:33:14 –> 00:34:37:08
Months do you look at as being the most important when you’re looking at, you know, moisture?

00:34:37:13 –> 00:35:00:28
Well, you need, you need all of ’em because if you have a really good winter, you know, you’ll have, you’re, as soon as the temperature warms up enough that you’re gonna have any kind of green up, which is normally depending on where you’re at. But March and April it’ll green up and get going. But then if you don’t have anything to follow it up in, in April and May, then, then that green ups kind of short-lived and you don’t have any really just dry

00:35:01:01 –> 00:35:01:09

00:35:01:09 –> 00:35:35:17
You know, steady green. Yeah, yeah. Dry. It cures out quick. They end up having to go to their browse early sometimes. Which, which is good. And like I said, some deer, you know, eat, browse 365 days ’cause there’s not enough or very short greenup periods. Maybe it’s only cheat grass or things like that that they have in short, you know, different, different places. But you know, from the wide range of where mule deer live, there’s so many differences throughout. And we’re just talking about a few of the places here that just seem to be a little bit off. But yeah, still a good year and yeah, it’s

00:35:35:17 –> 00:35:36:07
Still a good year.

00:35:36:07 –> 00:35:45:10
I mean, you’ve got a, you’ve got a landowner tag, so you’re still hunting. I know you’ve got some, some clients you’re gonna be taking out there. I dunno if it’s this week or whatnot.

00:35:45:13 –> 00:36:50:06
So yeah, Bronson guide service, I mean, you know, of course I work under you and yeah, it’s, we, I definitely do have a couple of really good friends of ours now. They turned, you know, just known him for years and years and we’re excited. We got some big deer to hunt, you know, he’s still a, it’s still a good year. I mean, I’m not, I’m not, we got 20 bucks probably over 200. I mean, that’s a great, that’s a great figure. That’s figure, but it’s also been three months getting that. It’s, it’s a grind. It’s five, six days a week. And, and the best deer, I mean I, you know, kind of the one that, you know, I’m hunting a deer that I didn’t recognize at first because he changed so much from last year. He just dropped 25 or 30 inches. And then I find he shed, I find his shed and I’m like, I didn’t realize he’s that big last year. And I found the small side, small side doubled two 15, the big side’s amazing. And so, you know, I’m like, all right, I’m not gonna kill him this year. And so it’s changed, it changed everything. It changes your plans, it changes, whatever. And that’s

00:36:50:06 –> 00:36:59:17
A bold thing to say, I’m gonna pass on this 200 inch deer 200. And he’s, he’s bigger than 200, right? Yeah. He’s he’s what, 2 0 8, 2 10 you think? Right now? I don’t

00:36:59:17 –> 00:37:11:22
Know. But but yeah, you just gotta, you gotta, you gotta let him go. And, and, and it’s just like, you know, Adam hunting big deer. You guys hunt big deer. You know, if you don’t let him go, you know what I mean? So they don’t get really big.

00:37:11:27 –> 00:37:13:20
Not a lot of us are gonna pass on 200. Jason,

00:37:14:03 –> 00:37:16:06
I’m not, I’m not saying I passed him. I’m just not gonna hunt him.

00:37:17:09 –> 00:37:19:14
You, you’re passing on the buck. Yeah. And

00:37:19:16 –> 00:38:08:07
That’s, so, anyway, and, and that, that, there’s another deer I’m on too for myself. That deer, you know, would, you know, would be probably for one of our clients or something, Adam. I, but you know, like the deer that I’m on, I’m hunting a deer that, I mean, I’ve, I’ve had him on camera since 2014 except for the water dries up. Water dries up, I don’t get him, water comes back, boom, I’ve got him again. And so anyway, I’ve had him since 2014. He’s obviously maxed out, ginormous body, sway backed pot, gutted, huge monster. He looks like he has a 300, 300 pound body. I haven’t even shown Adam the pictures, I don’t think. But just for timing wise. And we’ve missed each other and been out in the hills a lot. So anyway, I’m probably gonna hunt him because he’s maxed out and he’s never gonna be giant, giant, like the two 30 potential.

00:38:08:26 –> 00:38:42:08
And, and I like him. I’ve, I’m fond of the deer. You know, you kinda follow deer. You got relationship, got relationship. Yeah. I got a relationship with this guy, you know, put him on my wall. So anyway, it’s still fun. We’re hunting good deer. It’s a grind out there. You know what’s really frustrating, and I think Nevada should consider changing their law on this, but these hunting hours are half hour before sunrise to sunset. And you know what it’s like when you’ve got a full moon right now? We have a full moon, full moon. It was 101 degrees yesterday. And, and in 101 you, it’s one thing to say 101, go stand out there for a minute. Yep.

00:38:42:25 –> 00:38:43:07
Go hike.

00:38:43:13 –> 00:39:00:17
When there’s no trees, there’s no greenery. It’s, it’s literal freaking desert. And, and so when, when are the deer gonna stand up? You know, are they gonna stand up before sunset? I mean, so we, they should go a half hour before sunrise to a half hour after sunset. That’s normal state. That’s what you, which

00:39:00:17 –> 00:39:01:13
Is what most states do.

00:39:01:13 –> 00:39:16:25
That’s what most states do. Or if you want to go to sunset, then why not just start at Sunrise? It’s a, you know, why a half hour before. So, you know what I mean? Like be consistent. If you’re gonna, it’s plenty good enough to shoot the hours are plenty good enough to shoot after sunset, just as it is before sunrise.

00:39:17:07 –> 00:39:23:11
And my biggest buck, I, he never stood up until it was basically half an hour past sunset. I mean, it was just light

00:39:23:11 –> 00:39:45:28
Enough to, and people are still kill him. Phone people would kill him. Normal people are breaking law. You’re they, and they don’t think about it because you can see for a thousand yards, you can still see 500 yards or a thousand yards. Your dots are global In my, in my opinion, that’s, it should be changed. It should be more liberal because you’re dealing with that kind of estate August, September especially those hunts are so brutal that deer are not

00:39:46:09 –> 00:40:06:14
Well, and you’re talking about a bow. You’re not, you still gotta be within, let’s just say 50 yards, you know what I mean? If you can see Yeah. Do 50 yards and see a pin. Yes. Like yes. Let, you should be able to let one rip. We’re not talking about fading light at 800 yards into this, you know, shadows somewhere. We’re not talking about that. Right.

00:40:06:21 –> 00:40:25:07
So, right. So anyway. Yeah. But anyway, it’s, it’s, it’s been fun. I just, some years you kill a buck in a couple of days on an archery hunt out there in Nevada and you’re, and you’re just, your luck couldn’t be better and it couldn’t be easier. It’s just man archery hunter for life. And then some years it’s 20 days packing that bow and you can’t wait to get rid of it.

00:40:25:25 –> 00:40:35:20
And then when you, then when you look at those 20 days and you look, well, the most valuable or sometimes the only useful part of the day is the morning. Yeah. It’s, it’s hard to put that much

00:40:35:20 –> 00:41:11:17
Effort. See, like I come back today to do this podcast and to clean off my desk for a minute and grab some food and stuff. ’cause I’m out of food out there. And you just say, I’m, I wouldn’t see, I did not see a buck last night. I didn’t see a dough last night. Yeah, okay. And, and me and my brother-in-law and my boy were out there. And so between three of us and, and Sean’s a dang good glasser with fifteens, we didn’t see a deer, you know, and that it’s full moon, that’s Nevada, it’s hot. And that’s Nevada. And that’s like when Adams given us the report in 27 and we start talking about the Henry’s, keep in mind I was on the Henry’s for three days. It’s like, I I never wanted to step back.

00:41:11:20 –> 00:41:11:29

00:41:12:26 –> 00:41:17:05
Yeah, I looked at Nevada and I’m like, I wouldn’t pay $3 for a tag in Nevada.

00:41:19:28 –> 00:41:21:00
It it’s true. It’s,

00:41:21:08 –> 00:41:21:25
It’s so true.

00:41:22:00 –> 00:41:23:10
It’s so different. It is so

00:41:23:12 –> 00:41:42:10
Hard. And Adam, you and I don have respect for it. Talked about Adam, Adam and Jeff and, and myself. We, we’ve been up in Idaho and we go and hunt Idaho. Oh yeah. It’s game rich. It’s amazing. You go up there and you, and you’re just like, why do we hunt anywhere else? Why? It’s just like our plans in Colorado next year, Adam. Like there’s no, yeah. I mean,

00:41:43:09 –> 00:42:37:18
Yeah, we’re already scheming on what to do and mixing it up and things like that. And like I said, like alluded, I’m down here in unit 27 in Arizona. It is unbelievable. It looks like the Garden of Eden down here. They’ve had abundant moisture. It’s i these elk, the, the oak down here that’s redrow and a few of the burns is incredibly tall. They’re, they’re whistling a little bit. And that’s always, you know, I haven’t been in the Elk Mountains yet. I got done with a deer hunt and, and went straight to the desert scouting sheep and been doing that for about the last week or 10 days off and on and, and roasting like you are in Nevada. And so this is like my first, first day literally in the Elk Hills. And it’s pretty cool. I, I got out the truck today, was getting my vinyls out and I heard a bugle from the top and wow. I mean, am I mic gamer? I’m

00:42:37:18 –> 00:42:37:26

00:42:37:26 –> 00:42:43:02
Awesome. Here we go. Yeah, and I know we’re about 10 days before my hunt starts, but Yeah.

00:42:43:14 –> 00:42:44:24
But it’s gonna obviously be good.

00:42:44:28 –> 00:43:00:21
It’s still great. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they bugled till eight 30 this morning. Wow. These bulls, you know, didn’t have cows. They were, they were, you know, the bulls that I glassed up and saw were, were feeding bugling, you know? Yeah. But they’re starting to go down that road.

00:43:01:00 –> 00:43:20:18
How nice is that? And that’s cool. So you to change it up and I’m looking at, look, looking forward to changing up my schedule too, by the way. Gotta, it’s nice to change species. Like, and like what you were saying, Adam, like you go in there, you’ve been there for, I don’t know, let’s call it, was today your first day actually being there? Yeah,

00:43:20:29 –> 00:43:22:00
I drove down last night.

00:43:22:03 –> 00:43:33:29
You’ve been there for, you’ve been g glassing for four hours, right? Been g glassing for four hours this morning you see a, you see a co deer that, that beats the bocock a minimum by 10 inches. And it’s very,

00:43:34:02 –> 00:43:35:05
And it’s over the, it’s kinda luck.

00:43:35:11 –> 00:43:43:00
Okay. And it’s over the counter tags. You see what I mean? You know what I mean? Like what are we doing, what are we doing here? I, we got over the counter tags.

00:43:43:01 –> 00:44:10:11
Made me realize that, that, that in those years that I have nothing going, which doesn’t seem very, like, very often okay now, but I, I’m watching 110 to 15 or maybe better inch buck and Yeah. You know? Yeah. Game on. And I, and I saw five or six Ks bucks today. Yeah. I saw another probably 90 or a hundred here and you know, a few mule there. Plenty of elk, lots of turkeys. I mean it’s just, it’s like wild kingdom down here, here.

00:44:10:11 –> 00:44:21:26
And like I said, it’s like wild kingdom and here we’re, we’re we’re, you’re in it four hours we’re coming outta Utah. You’ve never been there before. Although, you know, you have, you do have a few good friends that have, that have kind of get you started. Good

00:44:21:26 –> 00:44:51:04
People that have this before and in the right direction and, and people that have funded it in recent years. And I’m very appreciative of that. But, but yeah, just basically because of that, that, you know, that Henry’s tag that came up, I, I wasn’t able to come down here in August and Yeah. For obvious reasons. Exactly. So I’m here now. I I, you know, I was gonna go the week right after the Henry’s and then I found out the general archery hunt opened down here and then the next weekend was Labor day general

00:44:51:11 –> 00:44:53:16
Arching meeting over the counter deer. General

00:44:53:20 –> 00:44:53:24

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00:44:54:05 –> 00:44:54:19
Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:54:23 –> 00:44:56:01
Like thousands

00:44:56:01 –> 00:45:12:18
Of people can hit the hills and with over the counter tags. I didn’t wanna be down scouting my elk unit the opening week of archery, general deer down here. So I put it off and now, well like I’m saying, these, these bulls are starting to bugle and you know, if I find a bull here, they might be here.

00:45:12:18 –> 00:45:22:13
Yeah. That might be in the same spot’s. That’s the thing, you can only scout the rutt in the rutt. And so I think it’s really okay that you didn’t scout early. You, you know what I mean? It’s okay. Yeah. It’s not the end of the world. Yeah. I You’re

00:45:22:13 –> 00:46:00:12
Still gonna, I just mainly getting to know the unit, you know, finding some water, find some places where I, you know, can glass but bulls aren’t bugle when I come back in 10 days. Yeah. 12 days. And so I can, you know, have a good 12 to 14 days. I plow probably missing the first day or two of the hunt. Tried to take care of some sheet punters. Yep. Right off the bat. Things are really looking good there. We found some really, really good rams. We’re trying to babysit frankly. And so, you know, we’ve got, you know, 10 days to, to prepare for that and yeah, I’m down here for four days or so and then back, back to babysitting and finding sheep in the desert.

00:46:00:12 –> 00:46:19:04
There’s a, yeah. So, you know, we’ve got, of course this is just the start of the season. It’s just kinda wanted to give everybody a little bit of an update. We’ve got a lot more to come and a lot every day is a new day out in the hills and that’s what we’re all doing between us all. Anybody else got anything going on recently or upcoming?

00:46:19:26 –> 00:46:39:11
No, I think what Adam said about he talked to people before he got there. I think that’s really important and, and it’s part of what our members can do with our member experience program. If you draw a unit, call in, tell us. And if we’ve got guys that hundred have hunted it in the past, we’ll send you their contact information that can be so valuable. Yeah,

00:46:39:25 –> 00:46:47:07
I agree a hundred percent. Yep. So let’s see, how about you Chris? You’re over there grinning. What have you been doing? Well you’ve been seeing?

00:46:47:19 –> 00:46:56:26
Well I’m grinning about one thing and, and before we leave talking about the wild kingdom, I saw a trail camp picture today that Oh

00:46:56:27 –> 00:46:57:16
The wild kingdom.

00:46:59:11 –> 00:47:01:25
Let’s hear about what you got on show camera down in your country.

00:47:03:05 –> 00:47:07:13
Well you got Kyle, well Kyle packing a chicken that Kyle packing a chicken picture, like

00:47:07:18 –> 00:47:14:24
A live chicken. It’s not a dead chicken, it’s like a rooster. And we’re talking not sage hand, it’s a Rhode Island red, 30 miles.

00:47:15:23 –> 00:47:16:23
Rudy. Rudy

00:47:16:26 –> 00:47:18:06
Far from civilization. Is that

00:47:18:06 –> 00:47:34:11
Jason? 30 miles? Yeah, it leads, somebody dumped a chicken off out in the hills. I don’t know how this rooster ends up on this. And then here’s a coyote packing it in its mouth and I’m like, yeah, I kind of kind of hungry for some chicken too. Geez. You gotta post that

00:47:34:11 –> 00:47:37:12
On. That’s gotta be one of the best truck cam picks you’ve got this year.

00:47:38:01 –> 00:47:40:10
Well, yeah, a tough year. It was kind of exciting.

00:47:42:21 –> 00:47:45:17
Part of the funny thing too is that Rooster looks like it’s still alive. Like

00:47:45:21 –> 00:48:09:23
It’s still alive. He eyes, I got three pictures of it as it’s, I’ve got it on a fast burst and yeah, his eyes are open. He’s just like, okay, I get it. Do you see his spurs on that thing? Yeah. I’m thinking that Kyle might have taken a spur of the chin. I don’t know. I don’t know. But anyway, we’ll be back at, back in the hills shortly. So what about you Jeff? What have you got coming up?

00:48:10:02 –> 00:48:10:26
Oh, we’ve been,

00:48:11:10 –> 00:48:12:13
Adam’s gonna need a packer.

00:48:12:19 –> 00:48:32:05
Yeah. Oh, I’m, I’m gonna, I’m going down so I just gotta hear, I gotta know when he’s done sheep hunting and then yeah, we’ll be jumping and rolling. I got a couple guys, I’m gonna go with more than likely on their elk hunts that are gonna be starting off the rifles. Just so, just that first day or so I might go help ’em, but then basically heading south with, with Adam.

00:48:32:14 –> 00:48:40:26
Good, good. That’s well, and I be there. I’d be there, I’d be there too. I’ve just got, I’ve just, that’s the muzzle loader hunt, which we got. Maybe

00:48:40:26 –> 00:48:42:26
You’ll kill three bucks in five days.

00:48:43:20 –> 00:48:47:01
It’s, it’s happened. It’s happened. I don’t know.

00:48:47:25 –> 00:48:50:29
It’s, it’s been 30 days of with a ball, but

00:48:51:08 –> 00:48:52:28
I’m ready to throw the ball off the cliff.

00:48:53:23 –> 00:48:53:26

00:48:54:27 –> 00:49:05:11
I’m like, Adam, you, I, I have, I want nothing to do with our treat deer hunting. I want nothing to do with this, you know, in here. Gimme a little rest, gimme some water. I’m gonna be just like, Adam, I love archery deer hunting.

00:49:05:21 –> 00:49:06:29
Where can I hunt next year?

00:49:07:06 –> 00:49:08:06
Yeah. Where can I go next?

00:49:08:16 –> 00:49:08:18

00:49:08:18 –> 00:49:09:24
Next year. That’s right. Where can

00:49:09:24 –> 00:49:11:14
I use my points on an archery deer tank?

00:49:11:20 –> 00:49:12:19
That’s right. That’s

00:49:12:19 –> 00:49:45:01
Right. It is a rush. It is. You’re up close and personal and that’s what makes the anxiety level so high. But it’s a love hate relationship. You know, Jason and I, we’ve done that Nevada, what, five years ago? Yeah. I think you hunted like 18 i hundred 14 days. And, and, and we lost. I I had an archery only I drew a tag and fortunately you had a land on tag and I think the first or second day you killed one of the bucks. We were, we chased all those 30 something combined days of the bow and never could kill. But yeah, that’s

00:49:45:01 –> 00:49:48:13
Just Oh, in the muzzle. Yeah. I killed one. Yeah. The typical one of the typicals

00:49:48:13 –> 00:49:48:28
Second day.

00:49:48:28 –> 00:49:51:22
Yeah. Chasing, you know, and of course everything else still lived.

00:49:52:17 –> 00:49:52:25

00:49:52:29 –> 00:50:06:05
It was crazy. It is. It’s crazy. But it’s fun. And, and of course it makes the success all that much better, you know, but they’re killing some big deer here in Utah. That’s for sure. I know some big deer on the, on the, the strip

00:50:06:27 –> 00:50:09:29
Giant deer on the strip. They’ve killed some big archery bucks. Yeah.

00:50:09:29 –> 00:50:17:22
Oh, they’ve killed some big bulls down there in Arizona. I mean they’re, I saw one picture floating around just a giant four 50 type bull. Wow.

00:50:17:22 –> 00:50:18:08
Yeah, I saw that.

00:50:19:12 –> 00:50:21:00
Governor Bull or raffle bull

00:50:21:00 –> 00:50:25:16
Perhaps governor. The governor raffle stuff. Yeah. That’s about the only thing that’s open. But there has,

00:50:25:22 –> 00:50:27:13
I need one of those. I need, need one of those.

00:50:28:10 –> 00:50:34:22
I just, I just need a 400 straight typical six. Not a big deal. Not, not a big deal. Deal. Yeah. Yeah. What about you Bronson?

00:50:35:17 –> 00:50:36:01

00:50:36:01 –> 00:50:37:24
Gonna hold out for, that’s what I keep.

00:50:38:12 –> 00:51:40:14
Well this is, you know, this is 15 or 16 years in the making and so I, you know, I’m not here to kill an elk and so I just soon kill a good one or don’t kill one or go down swing to the last, to the end. Yeah. So, well, I mean, not, not as much of the bow though, but, but even then, I mean, I’ve killed a few bulls with my bow. I haven’t archery hunted that much. We can’t archery hunt in Utah general season. And I don’t normally make time to go to another state, but I, you know, I wanna hunt for a big bull or you know, hopefully the rut only gets better the deeper the hunt goes on. So, yeah. It only takes once And, and looking at this country, you know, borders San Carlos and it’s just giant. So there’s so much escapement here in thick timber. I have no doubt there’s a kind of bulls here that, you know, if I get a glimpse of one or something like that, it’s probably gonna, you know, be alright. That’s the bull or nothing type thing if I end up seeing a special bull.

00:51:40:26 –> 00:52:13:28
Well, and I, I know you’re a lot like me in the fact that, and, but John’s pushing us to do this podcast, but I just like to not talk about my hunts until you succeed and then let’s talk about it. That’s true. But, but I like to fail in silence. I like people to just be like, well, I wonder what Jason’s doing. And I’m over there like, yeah, I just fell 30 days and it didn’t get jacked. Yeah, but I don’t like talking, I don’t wanna prep everybody. I got this Z tag. And then you go down there and you’re like, man, you know, and then you didn’t get one and you feel, you know, yeah, I, you know, you’re a lot like me like that. You’re like, but then yeah, John’s on you and you’re like, all right, fine, let’s talk about it.

00:52:14:04 –> 00:52:14:23
Somebody’s gotta drive it,

00:52:17:15 –> 00:52:32:18
But you’ll dig good. No question about it one way or another. And you’re learning a lot already. The first four hours. I can’t believe what you’ve learned. So it’ll be awesome. And, and I’m sure we’ll end up snagging something in Nevada and Utah and a few other of these states coming ahead too. So it’s

00:52:32:18 –> 00:52:35:24
Gonna start happening fast here pretty quick. Yep.

00:52:35:27 –> 00:52:40:12
So, so anyway, one after another. Well, sounds good. Anything else anybody want

00:52:40:12 –> 00:52:46:07
To add? Next podcast. We gotta add a fair amount of fib and you know, throw people off a little mean bit. Yeah, we

00:52:46:07 –> 00:52:49:18
Did. We just didn’t tell you we peppered it in. All good. It’s in there John.

00:52:49:18 –> 00:52:51:11
Alright. That’ll be

00:52:51:11 –> 00:52:53:04
The fishing podcast then.

00:52:56:01 –> 00:52:57:14
So we got some fish stories there.

00:52:57:17 –> 00:52:57:28
I was

00:52:59:23 –> 00:53:04:07
There, I was on Lake Powell, doubled Dover, you

00:53:04:07 –> 00:53:07:28
Know, using my sandwich meat. ’cause we ran outta anchovies.

00:53:08:06 –> 00:53:10:22
Never knew there were sturgeon in Lake Powell. Yeah,

00:53:10:28 –> 00:53:16:00
That’s right. Exactly. All right, well, sounds good guys.

00:53:16:00 –> 00:53:18:04
Alright, you guys be safe. All right, you

00:53:18:04 –> 00:53:18:07

00:53:18:07 –> 00:53:20:04
Bro. Tell we talk again. Yeah, all good

00:53:20:04 –> 00:53:22:05
Luck. Sounds good, man. Good luck. All right. Talk to you later.

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